Please breakdown that entire essay. It would probably take me years of part time study to understand Meltdown. I brought Anti-Oedipus and crawling through that. Thanks Justin!
Started following CCRU/Warwick during the early years - after reading Land's book on Bataille. When he wrote Meltdown, Neo-China was still in his future. Via strange coincidence I ended up in Shanghai for a couple of years around the same time Land and Anna Greenspan moved there. I always wondered if Nick worked for MI6.
So, broadly speaking, would you say there’s a consonance between NL and the later Heidegger? I mean, The Question Concerning Technology seems to present a very similar thesis i.e. that technology engulfs man, and acts as solvent.
_"i used to think nick land had something to say, but then i touched a single blade of grass"_ ~ wise man woke social justice activist cringing here, this 'techonomics' thing seems to be missing the big thing driving industrial production and the adoptions of new technologies, war. that's one thing the historiography makes resoundingly clear. the growth, including the cybernetic ideas nick is dealing with, is animated by political violence against people and nature(which are one)
If man is one with nature then by extension his industrial machines are no different to birds nests or termite mounds. Continental wars and colonialism no different to territorial disputes between Wolves or Cougars. Carcinogenic pollution of the biosphere no different to transpiration of water through trees from the table to the atmosphere. All of these things are occurring within the domain of, and are the product of nature, they don't exist outside of nature. Land is trying to identify that in nature which generates schizophrenic cybernetic runaways.
@@castlebravo2023 copy your post, delete it, and try again tommorow for i am too high to respond and surely would not remember without a BASED notification from UA-cam #sorrynotsorry #muhacceleration
Sure, it's driven by "war" in the sense of competitive advantage. Not sure what you being woke has to do with anything? Why are you woke anyway? Isn't wokeness a techno-economic device as well?
@@horouathos8199 no war as in mass butchery, chemical and biological weapons, ICBMs, counterinsurgency, the defense industrial base, that is where most new technologies have entered into capitalist production. the emergence of communications and cybernetic technoscience, war. the computerization of society was largely a side effect of the computerization of war. this is a point made again again in science and technology studies and the social and political history of science. Jarius Grove made this point in political theory recently with his book Savage Ecology. nick land seems to be missing the key historical factor driving technological innovation and economic production and that throws his whole teleonomy of "the machine" he says consists in feedback controls between those two things into question. Nick Lands entire vocabulary came from defense research in ww2 and the cold war FFS. one reason why i am woke is because i, unlike you, am politically conscious of such things. i didnt mean for my wokeness to be triggering for you😔
@@whowereweagain You're merely listing military technologies. Those technologies, as well as technology in general, certainly interact with the economy, both of which are aimed at achieving an advantageous position in relation to one's geopolitical adversaries. I don't even disagree that "war", in a sense, is one of the drivers of the process in question, though I definietly do disagree with your pathologically reductive and mind-numbingly pedestrian conception of "war" as "mass butchery and military stuffs". I also disagree with your simplistic hierarchical model that relegates social change to a mere side effect, neglecting to observe it as economic, political and geopolitical "technology", which in turn serves to propel technolgical advancement, among other things. I suppose that's a bit strange since I have a bit of a hard time recognizing that political consciousness of yours. I still fail to see how wokeness addresses your concerns and isn't merely a US social technology, an efficiency that actively participates in the process we're talking about? Mind sharing that with me?
Please breakdown that entire essay. It would probably take me years of part time study to understand Meltdown. I brought Anti-Oedipus and crawling through that. Thanks Justin!
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No it wouldn't take years to understand Meltdown. The essay's ideas are not super complex, Land just invents words like a schizophrenic.
I highly appreciate these breakdowns, waiting for more to come
This is probably your best youtube content idea so far, it’d be a shame not to continue with it
Thanks for this Justin. As with another commenter, I’d be grateful for your breaking down the whole essay.
Started following CCRU/Warwick during the early years - after reading Land's book on Bataille. When he wrote Meltdown, Neo-China was still in his future. Via strange coincidence I ended up in Shanghai for a couple of years around the same time Land and Anna Greenspan moved there. I always wondered if Nick worked for MI6.
This is so good! Please, do the entire essay!
Best video series ever imo.
I’m loving these so far brother. Do I need to read marx and kant before attempting land?
So, broadly speaking, would you say there’s a consonance between NL and the later Heidegger? I mean, The Question Concerning Technology seems to present a very similar thesis i.e. that technology engulfs man, and acts as solvent.
why don't you just make a podcast breakin this shit down? id listen to it for a few hours
this over fucking nfts
Whole thing gang.
Great ending
Never watched a video of yours but somehow was subbed (planetary runaway AI did it)
« You’re underrated ! »
would love the whole thing
And its just one single sentence in meltdown lol
_"i used to think nick land had something to say, but then i touched a single blade of grass"_ ~ wise man
woke social justice activist cringing here, this 'techonomics' thing seems to be missing the big thing driving industrial production and the adoptions of new technologies, war. that's one thing the historiography makes resoundingly clear. the growth, including the cybernetic ideas nick is dealing with, is animated by political violence against people and nature(which are one)
If man is one with nature then by extension his industrial machines are no different to birds nests or termite mounds.
Continental wars and colonialism no different to territorial disputes between Wolves or Cougars.
Carcinogenic pollution of the biosphere no different to transpiration of water through trees from the table to the atmosphere.
All of these things are occurring within the domain of, and are the product of nature, they don't exist outside of nature.
Land is trying to identify that in nature which generates schizophrenic cybernetic runaways.
@@castlebravo2023 copy your post, delete it, and try again tommorow for i am too high to respond and surely would not remember without a BASED notification from UA-cam #sorrynotsorry #muhacceleration
Sure, it's driven by "war" in the sense of competitive advantage. Not sure what you being woke has to do with anything? Why are you woke anyway? Isn't wokeness a techno-economic device as well?
@@horouathos8199 no war as in mass butchery, chemical and biological weapons, ICBMs, counterinsurgency, the defense industrial base, that is where most new technologies have entered into capitalist production. the emergence of communications and cybernetic technoscience, war. the computerization of society was largely a side effect of the computerization of war.
this is a point made again again in science and technology studies and the social and political history of science. Jarius Grove made this point in political theory recently with his book Savage Ecology.
nick land seems to be missing the key historical factor driving technological innovation and economic production and that throws his whole teleonomy of "the machine" he says consists in feedback controls between those two things into question. Nick Lands entire vocabulary came from defense research in ww2 and the cold war FFS.
one reason why i am woke is because i, unlike you, am politically conscious of such things. i didnt mean for my wokeness to be triggering for you😔
@@whowereweagain You're merely listing military technologies. Those technologies, as well as technology in general, certainly interact with the economy, both of which are aimed at achieving an advantageous position in relation to one's geopolitical adversaries.
I don't even disagree that "war", in a sense, is one of the drivers of the process in question, though I definietly do disagree with your pathologically reductive and mind-numbingly pedestrian conception of "war" as "mass butchery and military stuffs". I also disagree with your simplistic hierarchical model that relegates social change to a mere side effect, neglecting to observe it as economic, political and geopolitical "technology", which in turn serves to propel technolgical advancement, among other things.
I suppose that's a bit strange since I have a bit of a hard time recognizing that political consciousness of yours. I still fail to see how wokeness addresses your concerns and isn't merely a US social technology, an efficiency that actively participates in the process we're talking about? Mind sharing that with me?
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We are the sex organs of the machines.
whats up with the scammers in your comments
They are in a lot of channels lately
All over youtube, apparently they are going to take care of them
End lol
excellent voxplainer justin now do the rest
SAT vocab not bad
Please God let this be a joke
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