Well said. P.S. Im 99% sure if it wasnt just audio, he would use these Italian hand gestures. )) I mean not just in some cases, but literally everytime he is speaking Italian. "MetAAAtron [shakes his hand], I also like [shakes his hand] histOOOry [shakes his hand]".
Me and you both. At least I can admit to being an idiot. This guy has those bones buried deep. Though it does bring to mind an old Robin Williams skit, and some Eddie Izzard ones as well. Gonna make fun, best check your own zipper to make sure it's nice and up or look on your shoe for toilet paper before you throw shade. I mean, sometimes you do not say things correct and you learn from it. In English and other similar languages you can get by with it. Typically people are happy to help and appreciate the attempt. But in an Asian tonal tongues it goes from a mispronunciation to like 5 completely different words. Do you think Metatron will let us bring the jar in which he plans to store this guy's...**cough** jingleballs? 🤣🤣🤣
This is what I always say to my students of English. It's much better to have a foreign accent than to sound like you learned English from Only Fools and Horses.
Heh exactly. And why not everyone should get a medal in middle school or college. Yet thats the practise nowadays. Reminds me of IQ research with Gardner versus Spearman. And how ultimately Gardners highly alluring and INCORRECT IQ theory is still being pushed by fucking tutors becase it sounds so good to tell kids " You can do anything you want, learn anything" as opposed to Spearmans fixed IQ's with individual IQ's attached per every single field of specialization you invest in through time and experience, being able to max it out to the overall main IQ level. The point is that one says there is a limit to what you're simply able to do all depending on your ability to figure things out but you can still practise and get semi good or better at everything through practise and repetition. Gardner himself came forward and said his theory was total rubbish and that Spearman was unto something more accurate but the tutors wouldnt hear of it because of the silly agenda of boosting literally everyone in everything regardless of failure and ineptitude. Its the death of quality assurance and eventually if it ends up more widespread in the future, the stagnation of societal progress. But thats what one can expect from a societal "progressive" development direction aiming for ensuring that nobody get offended ever. Regardless of right or wrong. Sometimes I think we live in Hell. Least if that was the case we wouldn't have to really give a fuck and just make life there what we wanted it to be. But the real thing is probably just the age old story of people just being dumb and the introduction of the internet just made it so much easier for shitty ideas to gain traction. And bothering to sort out facts from crap, and not blindly trusting info... well that requires effort. We're all doomed. Have a nice day :)
@@jamessalvatore7054 This is precisely, what Cliff Stoll warned us about, regarding the Internet. ”[The Internet] is one big ocean of unedited data, without any pretense of completeness.”
It does sound funny when you say it like that, it’s almost the beginning of a joke with a Frenchman and Italian and a Japanese lol An Italian with a degree in Japanese who lived in Japan for 4 years and used to teach Japanese as his main job before being a youtuber should be the end of that joke if it were me but I’m biased :)
Hello Metatron I'm from Finland & after watching your video on the channel I went to see if he had made any videos on my native language & I was terrified to find out how he has taught foreigners how to perfectly pronounce the way foreigners misspronounce basic finnish words
Ok, here is a related story. I've been a flight attendant for many years, and I often worked with colleagues from a mix of different nationalities. Once, me and my crew were on a return flight from Milan, after staying there for the night. At a certain point, a Thai colleague approached me, and she asked me to write down two or three Italian words for her to learn and study the pronunciation. She had this notebook that was divided in two columns. On the left column, she had written several expressions in English, like "happy birthday" or "thank you" or "nice to meet you", etc. On the right, there were the Italian translation for those. Many were blank because, again, she wanted to focus on learning two or three at the time, so I had to fill out a couple of those. While checking the list I noticed, to my consternation, that some "funny guy" had previously filled the line for " *GOOD NIGHT* " with the Italian words for, and forgive me for this, " *PLEASE F°°K ME* ". I immediately told her that it was wrong, and urged her not to use that one. I asked her if she had ever used it before. She answered: "well, yes, I was at the door yesterday when we landed, and I said it to every passenger that left the plane." So yes, Metatron is right, an unreliable teacher can be very dangerous. 😅
This "pronunciation channel" reminds me of one of the most notorious language books ever printed, _English As She Is Spoke._ The author, Pedro Carolino, was a Portuguese schoolteacher who wanted to write a book to help people learn English. Unfortunately, he didn't speak a word of English, knew nothing of the grammar, and had no dictionary of English. So he used a Portuguese-to-French dictionary alongside a French-to-English dictionary to painstakingly create the most bizarre and useless - and hilarious - phrasebook ever made. It is out of copyright, so it should be easy to find free copies on the Web.
I remember when the Olympics were in Nagasaki, there was a segment on how to pronounce the name correctly. Almost every person they asked was from Japan, and almost everyone pronounced it differently.
When I was learning Italian, we got taught that the name Giovanni is pronounced Ji-o-vaa-ni, stressing the pronunciation of every single vowel. When I was in Italy I found the pronunciation was closer to Jo-va-ni, with the I and the O running together to say as one. Similar to other words and names with the soft G and soft C. I may have been hearing it wrong but that's what it sounded like to me.
@@metatronyt Yes; I noticed that Italians only place the I to soften the G. For example, Rudy Giuliani is called Rudy Juliani, and that's in American English.
@@موسى_7 Which would be how Italians might pronounce it, were Mr. Giuliani to repair to Italy after his recent legal misadventures. I recently had the... Experience... To watch a video talking about "Johnny Vursays"... And yet, all told, that's not much worse than that "Gee Annie Versacci" - which is how "Gianni Versace" is often pronounced in the lands of the Engl.
When I was in high-school in New Zealand some friends told me that their pronunciation of Giovanni (i.e. Gee-ovanni) was the correct one. Because there should be the "i" 😂😅
"In order to teach something, you need to know the thing you're trying to teach." And at those words, 99% of social media influencers cried out in pain.
Ha ha ha 😈! Serves them right! Social media influencers have absolutely no place in the same Cosmos, as me! How can people even trust them and consider them *_ANY_* kind of authorities in *_ANY_* field, at all?! Just because someone makes a few funny videos, or follows fashion/trends, or whatever BS; doesn’t mean they know shit about a given topic.
Agreed! Take a look at that one “social media influencer” who gave “parenting advice” who is now awaiting trial for child abuse and caused such a panic it ended up on the news!
The emptyness inside Ralfs soul when he said Lambourgini fucking killed me.. Oh never change.. Also hes italian makes me see a picture of a crossover between Super Mario and a shady Godfather imitation..
@@manusiabumi7673 And if i make a mistake and say something wrong i will make sure to correct it and apologize. After all everyone makes mistakes sometimes.
As someone who speaks a language with pitch accent (Swedish) I laughed as soon as it was mentioned. No one gets this right without a bit of actual experience. The most obvious example is "Anden" in Swedish, which depending on how it is spoken can mean both "the spirit" or "the duck" Had to edit as he got to the italian. I emphesize with your pain but I laughed quite a lot. He sound like a Family guy skit.
I grew up taking Chinese, Thai and Japanese martial arts in California... Most of my Instructors struggled with English (which isn't that big of a deal) and so we had to teach each other words in a foreign language, but that was part of the fun of learning a new style... I always felt like I was being immersed in another culture. I still know how to count to ten or higher in each language, and, while I never became fluent, even I knew that French dude was butchering pronunciations of those words. Great video, dude.
This French guy is over-exaggerating the word stress in Italian - playing on the stereotype of Italian accent rather than teaching an authentic accent. Awful and very misleading.
And NEVER forget to put your hands in the air, with your fingers and thumb extended and together, when speaking in Italian. I died right there. You can't get more stereotypical than that.
@@randomusername5242 ... No. The italians speak half with their hands, yes, but having the fingers and thumb extended and together is a very specific gesture, one of several thousand.
@@InternationalAwesomeFoundation Well the thing is, if you speak (or try to speak) in Italian and you do that hand gesture, you instantly get +6 to charisma, that's why many foreigners do it.
Watching an Italian man make fun of stereotypical Italian gestures and accents is far funnier than I think metatron intended 😂 Edit: even his “common English pronunciation” for Mochi is weird. I’ve never heard anyone say “Moe-gee”
His pronunciation of Huang was especially weird, as that hu sound at the beginning of words like Huang and Hua Wei is something westerners are getting pretty used to these days.
Oh no.. I just checked out his videos on how to pronounce German names.. I can't take it anymore but I also can't stop. Metatron, what have you gotten me into? Hundreds of thousands of views and the comments full of "Great, now I finally learned it", and it's as wrong as it could possibly get.
Ok this gets a subscribed from me, I just laughed my ass off. Buddy you went down the rabbit hole and stared into the abyss and found it staring back at you.
so, my mother is italian, i live in slovenia near the italian border so i been in contact with italian all my life, when Metatron makes the example of the guy ordering pasta al pomodoro and the waiter going "ma come caxxo parli" really had me laughing, he's so spot on, i seen it happen waaaaay too many times in real life, italian is a really nice language to learn, at least it was for me, watching italian tv and speaking with my mom and nonna, also came in really handy when i wanted to say something to my mom and did not want anybody else to understand i'd speak to her in italian triestino accent and nobody would ever understand what we were talking, not like we were speaking Friulano accent but close enough. Speaking of Friulano, how can a language like italian have an accent like Friulano i will never understand
as a language nerd who lives in Italy, is married to an Italian, and speaks fluent Italian, his Italian pronunciation almost made me stab myself in the ear (figuratively speaking). And I'm not a native Italian! so I can only imagine how frustrating it must have been for Rafaello to have to listen to this garbage. :-|
There is a smaller UA-cam channel about military history, in english language. But the man who speaks is clearly a Swiss German .As a german i clearly hear this, but i can understand his english good. Maybe it helps, that my german dialect, and Swiss German once had been the same.
I'm glad you made it clear you were speaking figuratively, I was about to call an ambulance for that bleeding ear, and maybe contact a psychiatrist for you.
When he got to Italian, I wanted to stab my ears. Obviously, based on Metatron's face, I knew it was wrong. It ALSO sounded just annoying. No one wants to hear a teacher sound like Mario.
As italian i can confirm that this is a terrible accent. Is more like a typical foreing "streotype" accent. Raf told "the famous,overly done, completely wrong fake italian accent". I can't describe it better that that. no one of us say "bologneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese. dafuq is this xD
Me as a native Chinese speaker: ”ok he’s botching some pronunciations it can’t be that bad right?” The guy: He- ANG “oh no……” Thanks for showing Chinese first lmao really prepared me for the upcoming bullshittery
@@filmandfirearms Good for you 👍🏻. I feel you all with just, how wrong that sounds. I can do better by pronouncing that, as my Finnish language leads me to pronounce it (as 1 syllable).
I had a few years of German in High School, and I know that after several decades, I mess up trying to pronounce words I didn't know before. My mother's parents came from a suburb of Benevento, so even I know when Italian is being exaggerated. But, having watched several of your videos in the past, and having heard you talk about Italian and Latin, its very amusing to hear you deliberately mispronounce Italian. I've shared a few of you videos on UA-cam previously. This one will be another shared video.
@Metatron I think you should do a debunking video on some of ”Great History”’s videos. I hear the guy(s) behind the channel really don’t know, what they’re talking about.
@@dangurtler7177 here, we are too kind with strangers trying speaking Spanish that you might see that problem of ppl sounding more French whilst speaking Spanish. It's even funnier hearing my French teacher make fun of them: "c'est pas possible qu'ils parlent l'espagnol en prononçant comme un français"
@@dangurtler7177 That's not that bad, I actually speak Mandarin with a bit of Cantoonese accent and I don't speak a lick of Cantonese. This is because my Mandarin is very rusty and I spend a good deal of time with my wife's family who are Cnatonese speakers.
This Julien guy has multiple "lessons" on how to pronounce ukrainian words, such as the name of the country and its capiltal, and they are literally all wrong (for example, he pronounces Kyiv as KRY-EEV. Where did that "r" even come from?). His channel is a limitless source of cringe for native speakers.
I went in and listened to his Dutch playlist. I'd like to think that he listens to native speakers and then tries to copy them, but it can't be, I don't understand his process. I don't get how he can mispronounce words so badly if he's just copying what he hears. He adds and replaces sounds that don't even exist in the language. Even a person who only speaks one language can mimic a foreign language even if they don't understand it. The more I try to understand, the more confused I get...
Honestly, I think it's hilarious. He has some "Swedish" in there as well, and as a Swede I can hear it's all kinds of wrong. Like Metatron said, he doesn't know about pitch accent, which is obvious in Swedish. Sometimes he can't even spell the words correctly, because åäö is hard. And sometimes his English pronounciation of the words are closer than his Swedish one. Though there are words he gets close with, for a foreigner.
@@Mauzzewulf Kiev (kee-ev) is the Russian pronunciation. Ukraine has been campaigning to get the international community to use the Ukrainian spelling Kyiv and pronunciation (Ki-eve) ever since their independence. No one has really cared enough to change their spelling until the war happened. It's a sign of support from the international community to finally change the spelling.
As A french, I apologize to the whole world and the history of languages. How can this clown CANT PRONOUNCE A SINGLE WORD FROM ANOTHER LANGUAGE... He works in the wine industry, I HAVE TO know how he pronounces the name of Alsatian wines like Gewürtztraminer, it's going to be my region laughing stock for the next week. FFS Edit : Nooooo he has a video on how to pronounce my name, god help me please
@@Camuska Maybe! I never met a Frenchman with this strong accent in German, only on TV as a caricatur of a Frenchman. For example Emmanuel Peterfalvi as his character "Alfons".
I suppose only a fool would think "This Frenchman sucks at languages, that means every frenchie sucks" I understand that every person is different. One person cannot properly represent the entirety of their country. But someone can easily be an embarassment to their entire country. The man who's the subject of this entire video is prime example.
Metatron, i live in northern Italy so i can't be sure, but i think the stereotipical italian accent comes from people from naples or maybe calabria region. One could argue that's a different language than italian, but seeing how the past immigrant to U.s. coming from these region could've got more attention than other italians based on how loud they tend to speak, at least the average street/market person, it makes sense.
I respect your patience in dissecting every example of mispronunciation featured on this video.....I'm no language expert, but just the Mandarin and Japanese alone...I nearly jump off the building after listening to them. This could create countless disaster to whoever that is learning through that channel.
I'm a native Spanish speaker and I'm fluent in English and Portuguese, and I also speak a bit of French and guaraní. Didn't take me long to find ridiculous pronunciations. The colors in Spanish... face palm. As someone who loves to learn languages I would never, ever tell the world out there how to pronounce words in a language that's not my own. I'm not a teacher. I tell my friends and family but that's it.
@@Mark-nh2hs I'm also a Spanish speaker. The answers are yes and yes, lol. When written, Spanish and Portuguese are said to be 94% mutually understandable. Fantastic, but when spoken it is much more complex. Thing is, Portuguese has more sounds and especially nasalizations that don't even register as sounds to the ears of a Spanish speaker. Many words look identical (and are indeed written identically) but have a very complex (yet, oddly, beautiful) pronunciation when it's read in Portuguese. This brings the weird situation where a Portuguese speaker understands over 80% of spoken Spanish... but a Spanish speaker can barely handle 40% of Portuguese.
I have to point out that even his English wasn't that great. His accent is incredibly thick and some words just come out funny. But now I know where to go if I want to torture myself via misspoken language.
Italian was such an easy language to learn as a native English speaker, namely because aside from rolling your tongue, it's pretty simple for pronunciation. At first i started by exaggerating the syllables that had stress, just to memorize them, but then just toned it down. (Otherwise, I'd be ordering to remove horses from my food, instead of removing cabbage. :P) But yeah, I think immersion is the best way to learn. Hearing native speakers and knowing they don't sound like racist stereotypes.
As native Italian speaker, I can definitively say: Yes that´s EXACTLY how it sounds when we speak... if we do while being on heroine , and attached to high voltage ;-) :-D God, my ears almost started bleeding... and that guy repeating those misspelled words again and again, for extra sadistic punishment... PLEASE don´t learn to speak Italian like that!!! ;-)
*urge to be a dick rising* Me: "Don't do it!" Also Me: "But it'd be so easy and the channel is right there!" Me Too: "Yeah but don't you remember how bent out of shape you get when people mispronounce Irish names and Gaelic words?" Me Again: "...okay. I won't. But it would have been funny." Still Me: "But at someone's expense." Finally, Me: "Yeah, you're right. Not cool. Sorry."
Metatron, I came by your channel by sheer luck and I must say I love this kind of videos. You're extremely well read and informed in two fields I cherish and love: History and languages. Keep up your absolutely fantastic work. PS: I love your "Italian waiter" impression.
The fact that he has 322k subscribers is so alarming. Just another lesson in why multiple sources are a must, especially on the internet with 0 barrier to entry to be an "informant".
468k subscribers now, so it gets worse. And yes removing the dislike button was a terrible mistake by UA-cam, there's no way to judge a channel without wading through comments. And even then you get what's happening with that channel, viewers who write positive comments because they don't know better and thinks he's helping them.
This effect in the scientific environment is called the Dunning-kruguer effect, where the imposter effect is verified in individuals who have a lot of knowledge about a certain subject and this individual tends to think that he knows little or doubts about his knowledge in general, and the exact extreme happens. with those who think they know about a certain subject and know less than they say they know, or even know it wrong, known as the hero effect or "double burden report", both effects are derived from the studies of these researchers. I really don't understand much about the subject but I believe you could go deeper as it comes across your subject matter. a big and fraternal hug from Brazil.
I looked up the channel you mentioned and being Portuguese, I went to see the Portuguese playlist and fortunatelly for the content creators the went for the easier Brazilian variant, syllable timed instead of stress timed like European Portuguese (and English too by the way). But I did find the word "Escabeche" a dish you can find both in Portugal and Spain. Boy, did I have a good laugh!!
Whenever I order food at an Italian resturant, I always turn around to make sure Raph isn’t standing behind me with his weapon if choice to rid the world of my bad pronunciation.
As Italian, when I saw the first Italian "word" was "spaghetti bolognese" I knew it was a mess-up before he even said BAWNGIORNO XD and I don't even want to touch on the point that it's not even a real Italian expression at all.
My parents lived in Chengdu(?), China. There was a phrase my mom used to say it was the same two syllables said, I think, three times, but with different tones. The three words meant TOTALLY different things. I remember one of them meant tiger. I don't know any Japanese, and I don't know Chinese either but I know the intonations are very important.
The Italian section in this video is hysterical! I studied Italian language a bit while working in the French & Italian dept. at the Univ. of Texas (Austin), I loved it and had good instructors -- many of whom were native speakers -- and felt a real affinity with the language; I picked it up much quicker and more intuitively than French. I'm happy and relieved to find here that MY pronunciations as learned are proper and correct. The weird mutations Italian is subjected to here are unfathomable. (The Japanese and Chinese segments are also fascinating, I will try to remember what was shown here.) Broosss KETTTTAAAA!!!!! Hilarious!
The greatest trolls are those pretending to be an expert. Several people will take a long time to find out, when they're applying what they practiced in inconvenient situations. And there's the hassle of correcting the bad habits.
I find his channel hilarious tbh, I know I shouldn't but I can't stop laughing ahah (especially for his Italian). That Chinese word was amazing too. Maybe his channel is actually a master troll channel, he can't even pronounce French correctly. Sorry on behalf of other French people btw (I am too...). I mean, really, I wish we could control this guy.
Listened to some of his German words and he's really struggling with that one as well. It's not really surprising that 1 person can't learn to speak that many languages like a native, but if you can't do something, then don't pretend like you can and actively hurt the language aquisition of other people. If you want to know how natives speak, listen to a native speak. There are no shortcuts like these one-size-fits-all channels.
To be fair though there are some people ie Polyglot that are very gifted with language and pronounciation that do speak multiple languages fluently with no or almost no accent.
The Metatron goes off on a very sensible rant near the end about learning languages and the effects various dialects and accents can have on this -- points well taken! It's interesting to hear how his own English is very heavily shaped by southern England/London English -- I suppose it's a sort of "standard" English as taught or experienced in Europe (as opposed to North American English).
I talk with an older language instrutor . He said one thing i never forgot was about the names and food around one area of a map. Now this doesnt mean all the words that we use only like the name of a town, or a food from there. The only way you will really know how the pronunciation of that is to go there and ask the people that lives there. Dont know why but always liked this.
I did just like you and subjected myself to a bit of masochism, so I went to his channel to see how he pronounced brazilian portuguese names. I don't think I need to say that I felt physical pain in most cases, or at bare minimum even offended with how imprecise some pronunciations were.
just did the same, the guy is completely out of touch with reality. Having a perfect pronounciation in a single language is hard enough, let alone in however many languages he covers in his channel. And the way he acts is insufferable as seen when he replied to a comment calling him out for calling the language "Brazilian" instead of Portuguese lmao. If you don't even know the name of the language you're speaking then you probably shouldn't be giving advice on how to pronounce things correctly.
I cannot thank you enough for this video. It seems that this guy, Julien Miguel, has been butchering the pronunciation of lots of languages including the language of my ancestors. As a person of Irish descent I was deeply upset with his pronunciation of Gaelige. I stumbled on his site a year ago and was horrified with the barefaced mangling of one phrase in particular (I have not bothered to look at his other renditions of Irish words). The phrase was "Tuatha de Danann" which he pronounced Twatha de Day-dan. (It is actually closer to Too-ah de danann) .Mr Miguel probably thought he could get away with this because Gaelige is a near dead language. However I think he received lots of fan mail (in the form of death threats from several Irish and Scottish folk) because he has since put up a new site that gives the correct pronunciation. However there is presently a second site which seems to have a connection with Mr. Miguel called Sdictionary and which pronounces Tuatha de Danann in exactly the same way as he did- except in a female robot voice. It has garnered similar annoyed comments such as "This is not remotely how the Irish is pronounced, and therefore please take this vid down, it's a disservice to those of us who are trying to learn something proper." and "This robot cannot speak Irish". What is awful about this is that we, Irish, Scottish and Manx are trying to maintain our culture and language in the face of the onslaught of Modern mass media. And what happens! We have this maniac who gets to the top of the searches in Google (through manipulation of SEOs) and disseminates this rubbish. Not only does it affect people who are trying to learn the language but this pronunciation has been used in at least two other websites by people who were giving information on Irish culture. It was actually their mispronunciation that made me do a search that brought me to Mr Miguel's sites. You were suggesting that he was doing this language butchering out of ignorance. I think it is something more. I feel he is a psychopath who has worked out a way to make money on the Internet without doing the work and research and therefor does not give a damn about whether his information is fallacious or not. And the only way to stop him is to let people know what he is doing
I feel your pain, but luckily this video response of mine is getting some good views for the first 24 hours, so the system should push it! Let’s counter his “work”
@@jys365 Sounds as though he is typing a word into google and asking it to speak the word. The accuracy in the few bits I've bothered listening too are about right for the appalling inaccuracy of google pronunciations. Explains the robotic voice as well.
To be fair, Gaelic (or Gaelige, I've seen both) is one of those languages where the pronunciations are pretty difficult for people used to phonetics, as the pronunciations of the same letters can vary greatly between words. It's one of those languages you can't really learn to speak without a lot of audio tutelage, going off of written pronunciations just isn't enough. Not to mention Scottish Gaelic is very different from Irish Gaelic.
He’s one of those people who specializes in 1-2 topics/fields, and while he might be very good at those things he’s somehow convinced that gives him the authority to speak on any other topics. It’s like a mathematician or a chemist trying to write an allegedly serious history book, but it comes off as lacking proper citations(my source is I made it the fuck up, or citing a discredited author) or it’s just their fanfic/power fantasy. I remember reading a book about the eastern front in ww2, written by a chemist and it’s a jumbled mess full of every stereotype and misconception about the war like worship of German technical “superiority”, and the Soviets have massive amounts of manpower to waste. He got called out on it by actual historians and got massively butthurt (going as far as calling accurate course correction “Allied propaganda”) despite peer critique being on par for the discipline.
I think this is my favorite Metatron video, to date. The incorrect Italian pronunciation hand movements you used to show his bad inflection is absolutely priceless 😂
The "How Do You Pronounce It?" dude's voice and enunciation sound like a bizarre mashup of "Ze Frank" ( a hilarious narrator I really like) and someone reading Creepy Pastas badly. It actually creeps me out.
lol I love how they said "American" as a form of pronunciation. There are 24 major dialects and an inordinate number of regional and local accents in America. I'd love to hear him try his hand out some of our Michigan terms.
Very true. I think he is one of those people who just think that all Americans sound "general American" sort of announcer voice type of accent, and all British people sound posh.
basically there is a lot of languages in "America" most beeing indigenious, then spanish (alot of countries), english, portugues and french...America is a contintent and not the US.
@@LordBitememan America is a continent (or; I guess, technically, a landmass); but it’s also, how people call the country of USA, in vernacular. The official name for the country is the United States of America (the USA); ”America”, as the country’s name is like ”North Korea” for the DPRK; not the official name, but people will know, what you mean (as long, as the context excludes the continent-interpretation).
I feel this is the howtobasics of linguistic. There's a good chance he's a troll. If not, he's really messed up with the Dunning-Kruger effect. He starts the supermario accent while still speaking english, right before giving the "correct" Italian pronunciation of a word, which i find both very amusing and very disturbing at the same time (and i am sure he does also the wrong hand gesture while speaking, just like Metatron does)
I don't think it is. His pronunciation in easy cases is either correct or close enough to correct that it doesn't work as a joke. He tends to have systematic errors where a certain difficult sound is always pronounced incorrectly in the same way. The mispronunciations don't seem to be chosen to sound funny (except maybe the exaggerated Italian accent). I *have* also seen "troll" pronunciation guides on other channels and they tend to be far more ridiculous.
That 'ma come cazzo parli' got me so much! Wasn't expecting it! Knew you were on edge when the horrible italian came up but I wasn't expecting it! XD Deserved grilling!
I didn't know this chanal. I checked his German pronunciation. His French accent is so strong, it is nearly comical, like a caricature of a Frenchman. 🤣
True, his French accent ist comically strong in teh German examples. He also misspells words he gives a pronunciation for, e.g. "Eine kleine nachtmuzik" instead of "Eine kleine Nachtmusik". The Hungarian first name "Gergely" (= Gregory) is pronounced "Gherghey", but with him it becomes "Gurgly" because I guess if one can't be bothered to look it up and still feels entitled to "teach" others how it is pronounced, hey, he must have thought, why not just pronounce it as if it were English?
@@mrtrollnator123 It may be a regional accent, sometimes several prononciations exist in french, but I've seen indeed some words he didn't pronounce right in standard french.
Man, this cracked me up! I get it's frustraiting but at the same time I almost fell of my chair laughing. Sta gentaccia dovrebbe almeno chiedere scusa ai propri subscribers. In mezzo a tutto questo cerca di farti anche due risate. Keep on doing what you do, dude! You are awesome!
It's sad that places like that are more search-engine friendly than proper sources. Forvo is a great website for example, everything is recorded by regular native speakers.
This takes me back to my first Japanese class at university... the rest of the class could see our instructor was ready to tear her hair out trying to get one fellow to adjust his tone from almost a match for what that channel is pushing on "arigato gozaimasu". However, I think my classmate may have been utterly tonedeaf, his speech had certain oddities in English, as well. (Note, that class was about 20 years ago.)
I'm a firm believer that tone deaf is not a real condition. The student just hasn't been taught what to look out for. All tones of Chinese are used daily by English speakers, the difference is the tone of speech doesn't change the meaning of a word. Basically English uses tones for other purposes. Perhaps the instructor approached it the wrong way for this student. In any case, there's no reason he should know how because the instructor was meant to teach Japanese and Japanese is not a tonal language.
15:01 I love so much that the "hand thing" is totally canon hahaha (I already knew it because I know some italians) Greetings from your romance brothers in the west.
What's funny is you could get just a regular ordinary American off the street, make them read those Italian words for the first time and they would still pronounce them better than he did.
Exactly 😅. Reminds me of the running gag in Swedish classes, whenever the teacher had us guessing the ”gender”/ ”class” of words (”en” or ”ett”), and people would respond with: ”The middle one.”. 😆😅😄
You are my hero! You can't imagine how many time my liver hurts when I hear people "pretending" to know to talk italian using the "supermario" way. As I have been living abroad since 10 yearz my liver is pretty big😂ti saluto con affetto👋
When learning a language, it sometimes helps to learn the proper pronunciation by initially over exaggerating the words before dialing it back to the right level. It was very difficult for me to make the French "R" sound at first (and "u", and nasal vowels, and more), I had to over do it for a while before I could make the sound with ease.
Pardon me for laughing but I love how frustrated you are with this guy. I'm often heard to say things like, "One day I'm going to meet up with this guy and I'm going to DECK him." I'd never do it but I can easily imagine you saying the same thing. LOL I love your channel and the information you impart to all of us.
Italian has to be the one Romance language I'm never good enough at. I am a Portuguese native speaker, and I speak Spanish, French, and Latin (funnily, with the Ecclesiastical Pronunciation), but for some reason my brain simply bugs out with Italian and I cannot speak nor write it well, but I can understand it spoken and written. IMMO, Italian is quite difficult to remember everything about, and from what I saw from language learning forums, people who know multiple Romance languages always seem to have the same trouble with Italian 😅 so, yeah, it's way more difficult than people think it is, but I hope to get into a good conversational level.
How can you speak French, a language where words aren't pronounced as they're written, but struggle with Italian, which is one of the most phonetically consistent languages in the world? Like, yeah, Italian is not easy (the congiuntivo is probably the hardest part to master), but - especially if you already know a Romance language - you only need to know a few basic pronunciation rules (things like "ch is pronounced like k") and you're good to go. Unlike French and English, almost everything is pronounced as written. In Italian, "acqua" (water) is pronounced as written, "ak-kwa"; in French, "eau" is pronounced like "oh". In Italian, "gente" (people) is pronounced as you'd imagine, "djen-te" (first syllable sounds like the "gen" in "genesis", easy); in French, "gens" sounds like "john", there's no S sound. You see what I mean? Way more difficult.
@Bill Haverchuck French is actually quite phonetic, you just need to understand pronunciation and liaison rules, and you'll be able to sound every single word quite accurately. Although the 's' in "gens" may not be pronounced in most cases, it's still pronounced when the next word starts with a vowel. My problem with Italian isn't exactly pronunciationwise (remember: I said that I speak Ecclesiastical Latin, which uses the same phonological system as Italian), it's simply that my mind bugs out with Italian, and rules from the other languages I speak keep intruding. This is why I can understand written and spoken Italian (even the specific Italian words with meanings different from the other languages), but I cannot make myself able to actually make phrases in Italian neither in speech nor in writing. If I try to conjugate a verb in isolation, I can do it fairly well, but when I start speaking, my mind starts mixing everything, especially from my native language, since Italian and Portuguese are quite similar phonetically-wise (with the exception of some sounds and nasalization that exists in Portuguese, but not in Italian).
I have to say as a Swiss French native speaker who also knows decent (but far from fully fluent) Italian and Japanese, this made me laugh so much and your written warning early on is absolutely apt 😂 Both the pronunciation from that guy and your reactions were priceless and have brightened my day 🥰 I confirm that in French we tend to put the stress at the end, also he pronounces the “an” in both Huang and Manga to make a nasal sound that’s typically French Also a weird thing I’ve noticed when I was taking Japanese classes, and that his pronunciation of Kitsune reminded me of, is that you can spot French learners by the way they often pronounce う as a clear French “ou” sound….don’t ask me why (I mean it would probably make more sense to use a French “u” sound if you would just flatten the mouth a little more but….)
@@bacicinvatteneaca The sound is still closer to a French u than a ou - especially since as French speakers, we also tend to emphasize the last syllab - so des' becomes deSOU and that sounds really strange.....
What a great video on how important understanding linguistics can be. It's not the end of the world, but it is something to be aware of. I think you've done a great job breaking down the necessity of understanding HOW to pronounce a word without saying you HAVE to pronounce it "properly"
Furthermore… “Spaghetti Bolognese” is both grammatically and culinarily (?) incorrect. If you’re meaning a pack of spaghetti made in Bologna, you would say “Spaghetti Bolognesi”. If you’re meaning spaghetti with ragù sauce, then first of all the “bolognesi” do it with tagliatelle, not spaghetti 😂 And secondly, it would be “Spaghetti alla Bolognese”.
I get super protective of would-be students as well, in history like Metatron does, and in sociology, philosophy, and political philosophy. So, SO much misinformation, or just information so incomplete as to be incorrect, out there.
I'm half British and half Italian. Once a waiter in a posh Italian bar very solemnly told me that I had ordered my drink wrong: indeed, it was not a grasshopper but a grass-shopper! It was really hard to keep a straight face 😅
This is a fascinating subject. I work with an Italian designer and the poor guy is the recipient of my attempts to converse in Italian. Needless to say he is very forgiving.
A perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. The basic problem with "experts" on UA-cam, media, and social media in general. It's why critical thinking is important.
I think it's more just content farming or something. He just reads words and guesses based on written pronunciation guides, listens once to a recording, or straight up makes it up. He did that for Fjällräven Kånken in Swedish. Wasn't even remotely close.
Critical thinking is a rare trait, most people I know accept everything from "experts" and react negatively to doubts and questions. Repetition is the normal, reasoning is the exception.
I felt similar when I searched the pronunciation of some Latin words. I'm no expert in Latin but my original language is a Romance Language, so I'm very used to the way most syllables should be pronounced, and the majority of videos I got were from English speakers that often could not avoid to put English mannerisms (like aspiration for example) into Latin, which sound totally wrong. I must say that I love how you always do your best to teach what's right, even in small details, also being humble to admit any mistakes.
As a Finn, I get you. We don’t have aspiration after voiceless plosives (except, in the Laplandic dialects, which have been influenced by the Sámi languages), and we pronounce words very strongly, and as they’re written (for the most part).
@@metatronyt also, I have a minor complaint about your Jesus video. If you add the Jewish tradition about the House of David to the mix, Jesus is a redhead.
Wow. I was just looking for how to pronounce "Siobhan" because it always throws me when I see it, and this guy's videos were the top results in Google. I didn't recognize his name but I instantly recognized his voice and pattern of speech.
If such things as slightly changing the pitch of the same word when it's in a different context exist in Japanese, I feel for those who are trying to learn it.
I'm French. I checked French words and expressions on his channel.They were correct, maybe slightly exaggerated but not more than language teaching sites may do. I don't know why he felt the need to add an English accented version for use in English sentences to the correct French version though, that seems very weird to me.
@@thfkmnIII Ok, if you really want to insult the French at least call us "Snails" or "angry smokers" that more accurate, since very few people eat frogs ...
This guy seems to be a wine guy who also does the pronunciations, and he is French, if it is the right guy. He is famous in wine circles, but I am wondering why he is even making these videos? Ralf you are fabulous and your humor is wonderful!
One I've always wondered about is 'pasta' is the british pasta with short a's closer to correct or the american pahstah with long a's closer or are both wildly wrong?
As someone who loves japanese and wants to learn the language I'm glad you pointed this out so I don't accidentally learn it from the wrong person who doesn't know how to speak it.
New Yorker here, its frustrating when everyone assumes we all speak like Joe Pesci, Rosie O'Donnell or Fran Drescher. Nope, our accents very. I'm from Long Island and we kinda say Lawn Guyland. I know y'all in Jersey have different accents as well. People always fuck up our accents by assuming it's a stereotypes in media
Personally, I'd rather sound like an American who learned Italian than an American making fun of Italians.
Itsa me MARIO!!
Well said. P.S. Im 99% sure if it wasnt just audio, he would use these Italian hand gestures. )) I mean not just in some cases, but literally everytime he is speaking Italian. "MetAAAtron [shakes his hand], I also like [shakes his hand] histOOOry [shakes his hand]".
Me and you both. At least I can admit to being an idiot. This guy has those bones buried deep. Though it does bring to mind an old Robin Williams skit, and some Eddie Izzard ones as well. Gonna make fun, best check your own zipper to make sure it's nice and up or look on your shoe for toilet paper before you throw shade. I mean, sometimes you do not say things correct and you learn from it. In English and other similar languages you can get by with it. Typically people are happy to help and appreciate the attempt. But in an Asian tonal tongues it goes from a mispronunciation to like 5 completely different words. Do you think Metatron will let us bring the jar in which he plans to store this guy's...**cough** jingleballs? 🤣🤣🤣
This is what I always say to my students of English. It's much better to have a foreign accent than to sound like you learned English from Only Fools and Horses.
But you don't go around teaching people how to speak Japanese.
That's why there used to be a dislike button
Heh exactly. And why not everyone should get a medal in middle school or college. Yet thats the practise nowadays.
Reminds me of IQ research with Gardner versus Spearman. And how ultimately Gardners highly alluring and INCORRECT IQ theory is still being pushed by fucking tutors becase it sounds so good to tell kids " You can do anything you want, learn anything" as opposed to Spearmans fixed IQ's with individual IQ's attached per every single field of specialization you invest in through time and experience, being able to max it out to the overall main IQ level.
The point is that one says there is a limit to what you're simply able to do all depending on your ability to figure things out but you can still practise and get semi good or better at everything through practise and repetition. Gardner himself came forward and said his theory was total rubbish and that Spearman was unto something more accurate but the tutors wouldnt hear of it because of the silly agenda of boosting literally everyone in everything regardless of failure and ineptitude.
Its the death of quality assurance and eventually if it ends up more widespread in the future, the stagnation of societal progress.
But thats what one can expect from a societal "progressive" development direction aiming for ensuring that nobody get offended ever. Regardless of right or wrong.
Sometimes I think we live in Hell. Least if that was the case we wouldn't have to really give a fuck and just make life there what we wanted it to be.
But the real thing is probably just the age old story of people just being dumb and the introduction of the internet just made it so much easier for shitty ideas to gain traction. And bothering to sort out facts from crap, and not blindly trusting info... well that requires effort.
We're all doomed. Have a nice day :)
MuST PrOteCt SmalL YouTuBers FrOm HarrASsent.
@@jamessalvatore7054 This is precisely, what Cliff Stoll warned us about, regarding the Internet. ”[The Internet] is one big ocean of unedited data, without any pretense of completeness.”
There still is.
@@grigoriykozychev7666 Yep. But the dislike-count is not shown.
The physical pain at the start already tells me this is going to be a good time.
You can perceive his frustration with all senses.
PAIN
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
“That French guy is pronouncing Japanese words WRONG!”
“How do you know?”
“An Italian guy told me.”
It does sound funny when you say it like that, it’s almost the beginning of a joke with a Frenchman and Italian and a Japanese lol An Italian with a degree in Japanese who lived in Japan for 4 years and used to teach Japanese as his main job before being a youtuber should be the end of that joke if it were me but I’m biased :)
Spanish words, too
Hello Metatron I'm from Finland & after watching your video on the channel I went to see if he had made any videos on my native language & I was terrified to find out how he has taught foreigners how to perfectly pronounce the way foreigners misspronounce basic finnish words
Hello fellow Finn
Torilla tavataan jne.
Ok, here is a related story.
I've been a flight attendant for many years, and I often worked with colleagues from a mix of different nationalities.
Once, me and my crew were on a return flight from Milan, after staying there for the night.
At a certain point, a Thai colleague approached me, and she asked me to write down two or three Italian words for her to learn and study the pronunciation.
She had this notebook that was divided in two columns.
On the left column, she had written several expressions in English, like "happy birthday" or "thank you" or "nice to meet you", etc.
On the right, there were the Italian translation for those. Many were blank because, again, she wanted to focus on learning two or three at the time, so I had to fill out a couple of those.
While checking the list I noticed, to my consternation, that some "funny guy" had previously filled the line for " *GOOD NIGHT* " with the Italian words for, and forgive me for this, " *PLEASE F°°K ME* ".
I immediately told her that it was wrong, and urged her not to use that one.
I asked her if she had ever used it before.
She answered: "well, yes, I was at the door yesterday when we landed, and I said it to every passenger that left the plane."
So yes, Metatron is right, an unreliable teacher can be very dangerous. 😅
poor girl, did you tell her what he had actually written so she could find him and strangle him with his own shoelaces?
@@SonsOfLorgar
Yeah, I told her.
Who knows if she ever found him.
Why don't you introduce her to newly technology of all time named google translate?
For double checking of course
@@koruzhuv2.087 Correct. Google translate for italian is pretty good and reliable nowadays.
@@JV-km9xk as a Fin when i hear "use google translate" i just think is bad XD
(Finnish to English or English to Finnish is kinda bad)
- Are you crying Metatron?
- No, I simply got a BRUSCHETTA in my eye!
This "pronunciation channel" reminds me of one of the most notorious language books ever printed, _English As She Is Spoke._ The author, Pedro Carolino, was a Portuguese schoolteacher who wanted to write a book to help people learn English. Unfortunately, he didn't speak a word of English, knew nothing of the grammar, and had no dictionary of English. So he used a Portuguese-to-French dictionary alongside a French-to-English dictionary to painstakingly create the most bizarre and useless - and hilarious - phrasebook ever made. It is out of copyright, so it should be easy to find free copies on the Web.
Now I definitely need to read this book 😁😆😂
People who don't know shit and do videos like that really make me question whether or not I want to continue learning Italian.
@@thebigphilbowski continua, continua
That reminds me of that Monty Python sketch about Hungarians
@@wolfgangallanalhazred802 You mean this one? ua-cam.com/video/C1Sw0PDgHU4/v-deo.html
I remember when the Olympics were in Nagasaki, there was a segment on how to pronounce the name correctly. Almost every person they asked was from Japan, and almost everyone pronounced it differently.
When I was learning Italian, we got taught that the name Giovanni is pronounced Ji-o-vaa-ni, stressing the pronunciation of every single vowel. When I was in Italy I found the pronunciation was closer to Jo-va-ni, with the I and the O running together to say as one. Similar to other words and names with the soft G and soft C. I may have been hearing it wrong but that's what it sounded like to me.
You are absolutely right, no Italian would ever pronounce the “i” in Giovanni, it would be like pronouncing the i in Fruit
@@metatronyt Yes; I noticed that Italians only place the I to soften the G. For example, Rudy Giuliani is called Rudy Juliani, and that's in American English.
@@موسى_7 Which would be how Italians might pronounce it, were Mr. Giuliani to repair to Italy after his recent legal misadventures.
I recently had the... Experience... To watch a video talking about "Johnny Vursays"... And yet, all told, that's not much worse than that "Gee Annie Versacci" - which is how "Gianni Versace" is often pronounced in the lands of the Engl.
When I was in high-school in New Zealand some friends told me that their pronunciation of Giovanni (i.e. Gee-ovanni) was the correct one. Because there should be the "i" 😂😅
@@giovannibruc8377 I love how they tell you how your name should be pronounced lol
"In order to teach something, you need to know the thing you're trying to teach."
And at those words, 99% of social media influencers cried out in pain.
Ha ha ha 😈! Serves them right! Social media influencers have absolutely no place in the same Cosmos, as me! How can people even trust them and consider them *_ANY_* kind of authorities in *_ANY_* field, at all?! Just because someone makes a few funny videos, or follows fashion/trends, or whatever BS; doesn’t mean they know shit about a given topic.
Medical personal, politicians, lawyers...
@@beakersnetwork9483and medical staff see "allergies list" as "shopping list"
Agreed! Take a look at that one “social media influencer” who gave “parenting advice” who is now awaiting trial for child abuse and caused such a panic it ended up on the news!
The emptyness inside Ralfs soul when he said Lambourgini fucking killed me.. Oh never change..
Also hes italian makes me see a picture of a crossover between Super Mario and a shady Godfather imitation..
Ralf
@@captainalex157 xD
All these pizza he's ever eaten flashed before his eyes.
Actually coughed up phlegm laughing so hard at that shit. Beautifully parodied. 😅💙
I'll grow you a mushroom you can't refuse...
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge" - Daniel J. Boorstin
Agree, for me it's always better to say "i don't know" than to make shit up
@@manusiabumi7673 And if i make a mistake and say something wrong i will make sure to correct it and apologize.
After all everyone makes mistakes sometimes.
" Whoever think he knows no longer learn. Whoever acknowledges his ignorance becomes ready to know."
I know everything and nothing.
-Vicus
@@benjaminthibieroz4155 Hit me with that knowledge! I am eager to learn 😄
As someone who speaks a language with pitch accent (Swedish) I laughed as soon as it was mentioned.
No one gets this right without a bit of actual experience.
The most obvious example is "Anden" in Swedish, which depending on how it is spoken can mean both "the spirit" or "the duck"
Had to edit as he got to the italian. I emphesize with your pain but I laughed quite a lot. He sound like a Family guy skit.
same here, i speak serbo-croatian
I grew up taking Chinese, Thai and Japanese martial arts in California... Most of my Instructors struggled with English (which isn't that big of a deal) and so we had to teach each other words in a foreign language, but that was part of the fun of learning a new style... I always felt like I was being immersed in another culture. I still know how to count to ten or higher in each language, and, while I never became fluent, even I knew that French dude was butchering pronunciations of those words.
Great video, dude.
His Italian pronunciation sounds like Brad Pitt on Inglorious Bastards. "Arrivederrchee"
Hans Landa: ENZO GORLOMI, did I pronounce it correctly?
Aldo Raine (undercover): GOLAMI
"It's me Mario".
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
he watched that scene and tought thats pretty good italian
MarGarEEETTTIII
This French guy is over-exaggerating the word stress in Italian - playing on the stereotype of Italian accent rather than teaching an authentic accent. Awful and very misleading.
It is an autheeeeeeeeentic Itaaaaaaaalian aaaaaaaaaccent.
Its exactly what I hear when I hear Italian spoken. Sounded pretty authentic to me.
I felt the French guy was being condescending towards the way the Italians speak.
Of course he's a French. Their own language is a hot mess
Did he get the hand gestures correct?
And NEVER forget to put your hands in the air, with your fingers and thumb extended and together, when speaking in Italian. I died right there. You can't get more stereotypical than that.
Its what they do, so....
@@randomusername5242 ... No. The italians speak half with their hands, yes, but having the fingers and thumb extended and together is a very specific gesture, one of several thousand.
@@InternationalAwesomeFoundation
So they do.
@@InternationalAwesomeFoundation
Well the thing is, if you speak (or try to speak) in Italian and you do that hand gesture, you instantly get +6 to charisma, that's why many foreigners do it.
@Random Username it's more like a south thing. I live in northern italy and nobody here does hand gestures while talking.
I once looked up how to pronounce Yuan.. I'm still not 100% sure.. I think like YU- En, with the second one higher in pitch?
Watching an Italian man make fun of stereotypical Italian gestures and accents is far funnier than I think metatron intended 😂
Edit: even his “common English pronunciation” for Mochi is weird. I’ve never heard anyone say “Moe-gee”
They say it in Lebanon. Mojee. That's because Arabic lacks 'ch', which is a Turkish/Persian/Kurdish sound used mainly in the Iraqi dialect of Arabic.
I just heard the ”CH”, as a short, unaspirated ”CH”. I didn’t actually hear any voicing, there. 🤔
As a half Japanese and Chinese (HK), I cringed when that guy was pronouncing huang and mochi 😭 and my God, metatron's Japanese is godly
Thank you very much! I still have much work to do, particularly on the pitch accent but I appreciate!
His pronunciation of Huang was especially weird, as that hu sound at the beginning of words like Huang and Hua Wei is something westerners are getting pretty used to these days.
Oh no.. I just checked out his videos on how to pronounce German names.. I can't take it anymore but I also can't stop. Metatron, what have you gotten me into?
Hundreds of thousands of views and the comments full of "Great, now I finally learned it", and it's as wrong as it could possibly get.
Check out his video on Auslese. "Au-schle-se" lmao.
Ok this gets a subscribed from me, I just laughed my ass off. Buddy you went down the rabbit hole and stared into the abyss and found it staring back at you.
@@lukasosterloher9105 Hauschlüsse Hauschlüsse xD
Great, I missed that one. It's even better than his Goethe video.
@@johnree6106 Good thing he's got a video on how to pronounce Nietzsche as well
@@lukasosterloher9105 What? Where did he get those extra letters from? Why!
14:05, Italian man who thought he had lost all hope, loses additional bit of hope he didn't know he still had.
Even the format of that channel's videos, spending so much time per video talking about each word, is so bizarre and cumbersome.
so, my mother is italian, i live in slovenia near the italian border so i been in contact with italian all my life, when Metatron makes the example of the guy ordering pasta al pomodoro and the waiter going "ma come caxxo parli" really had me laughing, he's so spot on, i seen it happen waaaaay too many times in real life, italian is a really nice language to learn, at least it was for me, watching italian tv and speaking with my mom and nonna, also came in really handy when i wanted to say something to my mom and did not want anybody else to understand i'd speak to her in italian triestino accent and nobody would ever understand what we were talking, not like we were speaking Friulano accent but close enough. Speaking of Friulano, how can a language like italian have an accent like Friulano i will never understand
Thank you!!! I was wondering what he said doing the restaurant bit :).
Friulian isn't an "accent" but a regional language of Italy, according to some closer to French than Italian
as a language nerd who lives in Italy, is married to an Italian, and speaks fluent Italian, his Italian pronunciation almost made me stab myself in the ear (figuratively speaking). And I'm not a native Italian! so I can only imagine how frustrating it must have been for Rafaello to have to listen to this garbage. :-|
There is a smaller UA-cam channel about military history, in english language. But the man who speaks is clearly a Swiss German .As a german i clearly hear this, but i can understand his english good. Maybe it helps, that my german dialect, and Swiss German once had been the same.
I'm glad you made it clear you were speaking figuratively, I was about to call an ambulance for that bleeding ear, and maybe contact a psychiatrist for you.
Don't you mean RAAA-fa'ELLo?!
@@Arbaaltheundefeated I think you forgot the hand gesture: ”RAAA-fa’ELLo 🤌🏻” 🤔.
When he got to Italian, I wanted to stab my ears. Obviously, based on Metatron's face, I knew it was wrong. It ALSO sounded just annoying. No one wants to hear a teacher sound like Mario.
As italian i can confirm that this is a terrible accent. Is more like a typical foreing "streotype" accent. Raf told "the famous,overly done, completely wrong fake italian accent". I can't describe it better that that. no one of us say "bologneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese. dafuq is this xD
You can also tell by common sense that it’s wrong. No real person sounds like Mario, when they’re speaking normally in their native language. 🤯
He probably started learning Italian pronunciation from the restaurant scene in Lady And The Tramp (1955) and took it from there.
Me as a native Chinese speaker: ”ok he’s botching some pronunciations it can’t be that bad right?”
The guy: He- ANG
“oh no……”
Thanks for showing Chinese first lmao really prepared me for the upcoming bullshittery
I'm fucking Russian and that pissed me off. I've had better Chinese pronunciation since I was 6
Don't speak a shred of Chinese and could tell you how to pronounce such words
I could HEAR that "oh no......" in my bones. I can relate, though not for speaking Chinese.
never even tried chinese and i knew it wasnt right ha
@@filmandfirearms Good for you 👍🏻. I feel you all with just, how wrong that sounds. I can do better by pronouncing that, as my Finnish language leads me to pronounce it (as 1 syllable).
I had a few years of German in High School, and I know that after several decades, I mess up trying to pronounce words I didn't know before. My mother's parents came from a suburb of Benevento, so even I know when Italian is being exaggerated. But, having watched several of your videos in the past, and having heard you talk about Italian and Latin, its very amusing to hear you deliberately mispronounce Italian.
I've shared a few of you videos on UA-cam previously. This one will be another shared video.
@Metatron I think you should do a debunking video on some of ”Great History”’s videos. I hear the guy(s) behind the channel really don’t know, what they’re talking about.
It's quite impressive you were able to guess he was French based on how his Japanese sounded
I had a meeting with a guy from Michelin (about tires) and his Spanish with a French accent was interesting.
@@dangurtler7177 here, we are too kind with strangers trying speaking Spanish that you might see that problem of ppl sounding more French whilst speaking Spanish. It's even funnier hearing my French teacher make fun of them: "c'est pas possible qu'ils parlent l'espagnol en prononçant comme un français"
@@dangurtler7177 That's not that bad, I actually speak Mandarin with a bit of Cantoonese accent and I don't speak a lick of Cantonese. This is because my Mandarin is very rusty and I spend a good deal of time with my wife's family who are Cnatonese speakers.
his english is also little bit "french".
guy’s name is Julien. ofc he’s French.
This Julien guy has multiple "lessons" on how to pronounce ukrainian words, such as the name of the country and its capiltal, and they are literally all wrong (for example, he pronounces Kyiv as KRY-EEV. Where did that "r" even come from?). His channel is a limitless source of cringe for native speakers.
I went in and listened to his Dutch playlist. I'd like to think that he listens to native speakers and then tries to copy them, but it can't be, I don't understand his process.
I don't get how he can mispronounce words so badly if he's just copying what he hears. He adds and replaces sounds that don't even exist in the language. Even a person who only speaks one language can mimic a foreign language even if they don't understand it.
The more I try to understand, the more confused I get...
Honestly, I think it's hilarious. He has some "Swedish" in there as well, and as a Swede I can hear it's all kinds of wrong. Like Metatron said, he doesn't know about pitch accent, which is obvious in Swedish. Sometimes he can't even spell the words correctly, because åäö is hard. And sometimes his English pronounciation of the words are closer than his Swedish one. Though there are words he gets close with, for a foreigner.
Isn’t it spelt Kiev? Before the war in Ukraine I could’ve sworn it was spelt Kiev and now it’s Kyiv? What the heck
@@Mauzzewulf Kiev (kee-ev) is the Russian pronunciation. Ukraine has been campaigning to get the international community to use the Ukrainian spelling Kyiv and pronunciation (Ki-eve) ever since their independence.
No one has really cared enough to change their spelling until the war happened. It's a sign of support from the international community to finally change the spelling.
@@VikingTeddy oh, thank you for educating me
As A french, I apologize to the whole world and the history of languages.
How can this clown CANT PRONOUNCE A SINGLE WORD FROM ANOTHER LANGUAGE... He works in the wine industry, I HAVE TO know how he pronounces the name of Alsatian wines like Gewürtztraminer, it's going to be my region laughing stock for the next week.
FFS
Edit : Nooooo he has a video on how to pronounce my name, god help me please
Even his FRENCH pronounciation is bad OMG, how can he do that ? He MUST be some kind if comedian...
@@Camuska Maybe! I never met a Frenchman with this strong accent in German, only on TV as a caricatur of a Frenchman. For example Emmanuel Peterfalvi as his character "Alfons".
I suppose only a fool would think "This Frenchman sucks at languages, that means every frenchie sucks"
I understand that every person is different. One person cannot properly represent the entirety of their country. But someone can easily be an embarassment to their entire country.
The man who's the subject of this entire video is prime example.
Give us back Nice and all is forgiven.
@@v.sandrone4268 Oh! If that is the game, I ask for Alsace-Lorraine! 🧐 It's funny that you didn't ask for Corsica. 🤔😂
Metatron, i live in northern Italy so i can't be sure, but i think the stereotipical italian accent comes from people from naples or maybe calabria region. One could argue that's a different language than italian, but seeing how the past immigrant to U.s. coming from these region could've got more attention than other italians based on how loud they tend to speak, at least the average street/market person, it makes sense.
I respect your patience in dissecting every example of mispronunciation featured on this video.....I'm no language expert, but just the Mandarin and Japanese alone...I nearly jump off the building after listening to them. This could create countless disaster to whoever that is learning through that channel.
As a language enthusiast, this is going to be interesting
Between the apparently a French guy teaching Italian and a what I assume is a drunk chainsmoking Southafrican teaching japanese. Its pretty rich..
Interesting and awkward.
@@mastathrash5609 Why you got to pick on us South Africans now?
Rehlinghaus? Are you German? Did you hear his German pronunciation? It sounds like "Alfons"! 😂
I'm a native Spanish speaker and I'm fluent in English and Portuguese, and I also speak a bit of French and guaraní. Didn't take me long to find ridiculous pronunciations. The colors in Spanish... face palm. As someone who loves to learn languages I would never, ever tell the world out there how to pronounce words in a language that's not my own. I'm not a teacher. I tell my friends and family but that's it.
Out of curiousity do Spanish and Portuguese share similar words and pronunciation? Or a totally different language and tone?.
@@Mark-nh2hs I'm also a Spanish speaker.
The answers are yes and yes, lol.
When written, Spanish and Portuguese are said to be 94% mutually understandable. Fantastic, but when spoken it is much more complex.
Thing is, Portuguese has more sounds and especially nasalizations that don't even register as sounds to the ears of a Spanish speaker.
Many words look identical (and are indeed written identically) but have a very complex (yet, oddly, beautiful) pronunciation when it's read in Portuguese.
This brings the weird situation where a Portuguese speaker understands over 80% of spoken Spanish... but a Spanish speaker can barely handle 40% of Portuguese.
I have to point out that even his English wasn't that great. His accent is incredibly thick and some words just come out funny.
But now I know where to go if I want to torture myself via misspoken language.
Italian was such an easy language to learn as a native English speaker, namely because aside from rolling your tongue, it's pretty simple for pronunciation.
At first i started by exaggerating the syllables that had stress, just to memorize them, but then just toned it down. (Otherwise, I'd be ordering to remove horses from my food, instead of removing cabbage. :P)
But yeah, I think immersion is the best way to learn. Hearing native speakers and knowing they don't sound like racist stereotypes.
are those minis in the background? what ttrpg's or wargames do you play?
As native Italian speaker, I can definitively say: Yes that´s EXACTLY how it sounds when we speak... if we do while being on heroine , and attached to high voltage ;-) :-D
God, my ears almost started bleeding... and that guy repeating those misspelled words again and again, for extra sadistic punishment... PLEASE don´t learn to speak Italian like that!!! ;-)
repeat after me BRUUUUSSSSSSSSSSSsssCCCCheeeeetAAAAAAAAAA
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Are you trying to tell me that Nintendo's Mario isn't the gold standard for Italian pronunciation?
*urge to be a dick rising*
Me: "Don't do it!"
Also Me: "But it'd be so easy and the channel is right there!"
Me Too: "Yeah but don't you remember how bent out of shape you get when people mispronounce Irish names and Gaelic words?"
Me Again: "...okay. I won't. But it would have been funny."
Still Me: "But at someone's expense."
Finally, Me: "Yeah, you're right. Not cool. Sorry."
@@laughingmask3118 dick rising 🤨
Metatron, I came by your channel by sheer luck and I must say I love this kind of videos. You're extremely well read and informed in two fields I cherish and love: History and languages. Keep up your absolutely fantastic work. PS: I love your "Italian waiter" impression.
The fact that he has 322k subscribers is so alarming. Just another lesson in why multiple sources are a must, especially on the internet with 0 barrier to entry to be an "informant".
wow I'm glad youtube got rid of the dislike button...
468k subscribers now, so it gets worse. And yes removing the dislike button was a terrible mistake by UA-cam, there's no way to judge a channel without wading through comments. And even then you get what's happening with that channel, viewers who write positive comments because they don't know better and thinks he's helping them.
@@tohaasonpity that UA-cam absolutely refuses to listen to their user base on like 90% of problems
Over 920k now. Big comedy hit, apparently
This effect in the scientific environment is called the Dunning-kruguer effect, where the imposter effect is verified in individuals who have a lot of knowledge about a certain subject and this individual tends to think that he knows little or doubts about his knowledge in general, and the exact extreme happens. with those who think they know about a certain subject and know less than they say they know, or even know it wrong, known as the hero effect or "double burden report", both effects are derived from the studies of these researchers. I really don't understand much about the subject but I believe you could go deeper as it comes across your subject matter. a big and fraternal hug from Brazil.
I looked up the channel you mentioned and being Portuguese, I went to see the Portuguese playlist and fortunatelly for the content creators the went for the easier Brazilian variant, syllable timed instead of stress timed like European Portuguese (and English too by the way). But I did find the word "Escabeche" a dish you can find both in Portugal and Spain. Boy, did I have a good laugh!!
Whenever I order food at an Italian resturant, I always turn around to make sure Raph isn’t standing behind me with his weapon if choice to rid the world of my bad pronunciation.
How tf did he manage to pronounce 黄 as 行 is beyond me, that guy knows nothing about the pronunciation of mandarin.
Precisely
As Italian, when I saw the first Italian "word" was "spaghetti bolognese" I knew it was a mess-up before he even said BAWNGIORNO XD and I don't even want to touch on the point that it's not even a real Italian expression at all.
My parents lived in Chengdu(?), China.
There was a phrase my mom used to say it was the same two syllables said, I think, three times, but with different tones. The three words meant TOTALLY different things. I remember one of them meant tiger.
I don't know any Japanese, and I don't know Chinese either but I know the intonations are very important.
The Italian section in this video is hysterical! I studied Italian language a bit while working in the French & Italian dept. at the Univ. of Texas (Austin), I loved it and had good instructors -- many of whom were native speakers -- and felt a real affinity with the language; I picked it up much quicker and more intuitively than French. I'm happy and relieved to find here that MY pronunciations as learned are proper and correct. The weird mutations Italian is subjected to here are unfathomable. (The Japanese and Chinese segments are also fascinating, I will try to remember what was shown here.)
Broosss KETTTTAAAA!!!!! Hilarious!
The greatest trolls are those pretending to be an expert.
Several people will take a long time to find out, when they're applying what they practiced in inconvenient situations.
And there's the hassle of correcting the bad habits.
I find his channel hilarious tbh, I know I shouldn't but I can't stop laughing ahah (especially for his Italian). That Chinese word was amazing too. Maybe his channel is actually a master troll channel, he can't even pronounce French correctly.
Sorry on behalf of other French people btw (I am too...). I mean, really, I wish we could control this guy.
Listened to some of his German words and he's really struggling with that one as well. It's not really surprising that 1 person can't learn to speak that many languages like a native, but if you can't do something, then don't pretend like you can and actively hurt the language aquisition of other people. If you want to know how natives speak, listen to a native speak. There are no shortcuts like these one-size-fits-all channels.
Send the link please
I want to have a laugh
@@marcoalimandi6013 here is the link to how he pronounces the full name of BMW.
But it's not a good watch
ua-cam.com/video/cKtAbo1T2Rw/v-deo.html
@@marcoalimandi6013 Gib Julian Miguel ein war bei mir der erste Vorschlag du lachst dich kaputt
@SoundBubble Exactly 👌🏻🎯!
To be fair though there are some people ie Polyglot that are very gifted with language and pronounciation that do speak multiple languages fluently with no or almost no accent.
I would love to have the Metatron as a language teacher. The way he explained made me want to learn japanese.
I'll soon make a video where I explain the pitch accent more in details.
The Metatron goes off on a very sensible rant near the end about learning languages and the effects various dialects and accents can have on this -- points well taken! It's interesting to hear how his own English is very heavily shaped by southern England/London English -- I suppose it's a sort of "standard" English as taught or experienced in Europe (as opposed to North American English).
I talk with an older language instrutor . He said one thing i never forgot was about the names and food around one area of a map. Now this doesnt mean all the words that we use only like the name of a town, or a food from there. The only way you will really know how the pronunciation of that is to go there and ask the people that lives there. Dont know why but always liked this.
I did just like you and subjected myself to a bit of masochism, so I went to his channel to see how he pronounced brazilian portuguese names.
I don't think I need to say that I felt physical pain in most cases, or at bare minimum even offended with how imprecise some pronunciations were.
just did the same, the guy is completely out of touch with reality. Having a perfect pronounciation in a single language is hard enough, let alone in however many languages he covers in his channel. And the way he acts is insufferable as seen when he replied to a comment calling him out for calling the language "Brazilian" instead of Portuguese lmao. If you don't even know the name of the language you're speaking then you probably shouldn't be giving advice on how to pronounce things correctly.
With portuguese he's got no excuse, there are native speakers all over France. But he's still useless.
@@ArgentavisMagnificens Absolutely! Like, *_WTF?!_* Honestly? 😅
@@ArgentavisMagnificens Also, he called the language: ”Brazilian”? *_LMAO 😅!_* Even Language Simp, in all his sarcasm, doesn’t do that.
I cannot thank you enough for this video. It seems that this guy, Julien Miguel, has been butchering the pronunciation of lots of languages including the language of my ancestors. As a person of Irish descent I was deeply upset with his pronunciation of Gaelige. I stumbled on his site a year ago and was horrified with the barefaced mangling of one phrase in particular (I have not bothered to look at his other renditions of Irish words). The phrase was "Tuatha de Danann" which he pronounced Twatha de Day-dan. (It is actually closer to Too-ah de danann) .Mr Miguel probably thought he could get away with this because Gaelige is a near dead language. However I think he received lots of fan mail (in the form of death threats from several Irish and Scottish folk) because he has since put up a new site that gives the correct pronunciation. However there is presently a second site which seems to have a connection with Mr. Miguel called Sdictionary and which pronounces Tuatha de Danann in exactly the same way as he did- except in a female robot voice. It has garnered similar annoyed comments such as "This is not remotely how the Irish is pronounced, and therefore please take this vid down, it's a disservice to those of us who are trying to learn something proper." and "This robot cannot speak Irish". What is awful about this is that we, Irish, Scottish and Manx are trying to maintain our culture and language in the face of the onslaught of Modern mass media. And what happens! We have this maniac who gets to the top of the searches in Google (through manipulation of SEOs) and disseminates this rubbish. Not only does it affect people who are trying to learn the language but this pronunciation has been used in at least two other websites by people who were giving information on Irish culture. It was actually their mispronunciation that made me do a search that brought me to Mr Miguel's sites. You were suggesting that he was doing this language butchering out of ignorance. I think it is something more. I feel he is a psychopath who has worked out a way to make money on the Internet without doing the work and research and therefor does not give a damn about whether his information is fallacious or not. And the only way to stop him is to let people know what he is doing
I feel your pain, but luckily this video response of mine is getting some good views for the first 24 hours, so the system should push it! Let’s counter his “work”
He has very cheesy and sleazy sounding voice too
@@jys365 Sounds as though he is typing a word into google and asking it to speak the word. The accuracy in the few bits I've bothered listening too are about right for the appalling inaccuracy of google pronunciations. Explains the robotic voice as well.
To be fair, Gaelic (or Gaelige, I've seen both) is one of those languages where the pronunciations are pretty difficult for people used to phonetics, as the pronunciations of the same letters can vary greatly between words. It's one of those languages you can't really learn to speak without a lot of audio tutelage, going off of written pronunciations just isn't enough. Not to mention Scottish Gaelic is very different from Irish Gaelic.
Literally the first thing that pops up when you google the guy is that he's a wine maker not a linguist
That explains it!
He’s one of those people who specializes in 1-2 topics/fields, and while he might be very good at those things he’s somehow convinced that gives him the authority to speak on any other topics. It’s like a mathematician or a chemist trying to write an allegedly serious history book, but it comes off as lacking proper citations(my source is I made it the fuck up, or citing a discredited author) or it’s just their fanfic/power fantasy. I remember reading a book about the eastern front in ww2, written by a chemist and it’s a jumbled mess full of every stereotype and misconception about the war like worship of German technical “superiority”, and the Soviets have massive amounts of manpower to waste. He got called out on it by actual historians and got massively butthurt (going as far as calling accurate course correction “Allied propaganda”) despite peer critique being on par for the discipline.
I think this is my favorite Metatron video, to date. The incorrect Italian pronunciation hand movements you used to show his bad inflection is absolutely priceless 😂
The "How Do You Pronounce It?" dude's voice and enunciation sound like a bizarre mashup of "Ze Frank" ( a hilarious narrator I really like) and someone reading Creepy Pastas badly. It actually creeps me out.
As a French, I'm truly sorry you had to go through this
I can't believe you've done this
this is by far the worst thing your people have done and they colonized my country
im sorry for you
the french
@@georgyzhukov6409 Здравствуйте, Товарищ Георгий Жуков 🫡🇷🇺.
lol I love how they said "American" as a form of pronunciation. There are 24 major dialects and an inordinate number of regional and local accents in America. I'd love to hear him try his hand out some of our Michigan terms.
Very true. I think he is one of those people who just think that all Americans sound "general American" sort of announcer voice type of accent, and all British people sound posh.
basically there is a lot of languages in "America" most beeing indigenious, then spanish (alot of countries), english, portugues and french...America is a contintent and not the US.
@@andyking957 No, North America and South America are continents. America is a country.
@@LordBitememan America is a continent (or; I guess, technically, a landmass); but it’s also, how people call the country of USA, in vernacular. The official name for the country is the United States of America (the USA); ”America”, as the country’s name is like ”North Korea” for the DPRK; not the official name, but people will know, what you mean (as long, as the context excludes the continent-interpretation).
@@PC_Simo No, North America and South America are continents. America is a county.
I feel this is the howtobasics of linguistic. There's a good chance he's a troll. If not, he's really messed up with the Dunning-Kruger effect. He starts the supermario accent while still speaking english, right before giving the "correct" Italian pronunciation of a word, which i find both very amusing and very disturbing at the same time (and i am sure he does also the wrong hand gesture while speaking, just like Metatron does)
no, he's actually serious with this shit
I don't think it is. His pronunciation in easy cases is either correct or close enough to correct that it doesn't work as a joke. He tends to have systematic errors where a certain difficult sound is always pronounced incorrectly in the same way. The mispronunciations don't seem to be chosen to sound funny (except maybe the exaggerated Italian accent). I *have* also seen "troll" pronunciation guides on other channels and they tend to be far more ridiculous.
That 'ma come cazzo parli' got me so much! Wasn't expecting it! Knew you were on edge when the horrible italian came up but I wasn't expecting it! XD Deserved grilling!
Thanks for the lesson. Have you ever considered a video giving examples of Italian from different parts of Italy?
I didn't know this chanal. I checked his German pronunciation. His French accent is so strong, it is nearly comical, like a caricature of a Frenchman. 🤣
He even mispronounces French, probably trying to sound more French than a French person.
@@xenotypos Belgian? Canadian? 🤔
True, his French accent ist comically strong in teh German examples. He also misspells words he gives a pronunciation for, e.g. "Eine kleine nachtmuzik" instead of "Eine kleine Nachtmusik". The Hungarian first name "Gergely" (= Gregory) is pronounced "Gherghey", but with him it becomes "Gurgly" because I guess if one can't be bothered to look it up and still feels entitled to "teach" others how it is pronounced, hey, he must have thought, why not just pronounce it as if it were English?
@@xenotypos are you telling me he even manages to mispronounced his native language. that's incredible
@@mrtrollnator123 It may be a regional accent, sometimes several prononciations exist in french, but I've seen indeed some words he didn't pronounce right in standard french.
I kind of love this. Its impossible to do these cartoon Italian pronunciations without becoming a cartoon character.
as a Chinese person I starting laughing when he said 黄 = "hrng" 😂
bro really pronounced it like the minecraft villager noise
Kindaaa a heretical teacher 😅😅😅😅😅🍻🍻🍻🍟🫂👍
Man, this cracked me up! I get it's frustraiting but at the same time I almost fell of my chair laughing. Sta gentaccia dovrebbe almeno chiedere scusa ai propri subscribers. In mezzo a tutto questo cerca di farti anche due risate. Keep on doing what you do, dude! You are awesome!
It's sad that places like that are more search-engine friendly than proper sources. Forvo is a great website for example, everything is recorded by regular native speakers.
This takes me back to my first Japanese class at university... the rest of the class could see our instructor was ready to tear her hair out trying to get one fellow to adjust his tone from almost a match for what that channel is pushing on "arigato gozaimasu". However, I think my classmate may have been utterly tonedeaf, his speech had certain oddities in English, as well. (Note, that class was about 20 years ago.)
”…to adjust his *_tone…”_*
Japanese doesn’t have tones, though. It has pitch accent. Chinese has tones.
I'm a firm believer that tone deaf is not a real condition. The student just hasn't been taught what to look out for.
All tones of Chinese are used daily by English speakers, the difference is the tone of speech doesn't change the meaning of a word. Basically English uses tones for other purposes.
Perhaps the instructor approached it the wrong way for this student.
In any case, there's no reason he should know how because the instructor was meant to teach Japanese and Japanese is not a tonal language.
When it gets to doing Italian, I can genuinely hear that it’s a Frenchman trying to speak Italian… and I’m not Italian nor can I speak Italian.
As a Malaysian Chinese who is still learning chinese and witnessed the Chinese part.... OHHH BOY
15:01 I love so much that the "hand thing" is totally canon hahaha (I already knew it because I know some italians)
Greetings from your romance brothers in the west.
What's funny is you could get just a regular ordinary American off the street, make them read those Italian words for the first time and they would still pronounce them better than he did.
Oh cool, Brad Pitt is teaching language again
The greatest thing about the iTAlia part is that he told us to emphasise the "middle syllable" of a tetrasyllabic word. Brilliant.
Lmao true
Exactly 😅. Reminds me of the running gag in Swedish classes, whenever the teacher had us guessing the ”gender”/
”class” of words (”en” or ”ett”), and people would respond with: ”The middle one.”.
😆😅😄
it's Italia not ITAAAAAAAAAAAAALIA!
Thank you from a former IUO student (credo di averti visto in una foto alle mura greche)
You are my hero! You can't imagine how many time my liver hurts when I hear people "pretending" to know to talk italian using the "supermario" way. As I have been living abroad since 10 yearz my liver is pretty big😂ti saluto con affetto👋
When learning a language, it sometimes helps to learn the proper pronunciation by initially over exaggerating the words before dialing it back to the right level. It was very difficult for me to make the French "R" sound at first (and "u", and nasal vowels, and more), I had to over do it for a while before I could make the sound with ease.
Pardon me for laughing but I love how frustrated you are with this guy. I'm often heard to say things like, "One day I'm going to meet up with this guy and I'm going to DECK him." I'd never do it but I can easily imagine you saying the same thing. LOL I love your channel and the information you impart to all of us.
Italian has to be the one Romance language I'm never good enough at. I am a Portuguese native speaker, and I speak Spanish, French, and Latin (funnily, with the Ecclesiastical Pronunciation), but for some reason my brain simply bugs out with Italian and I cannot speak nor write it well, but I can understand it spoken and written. IMMO, Italian is quite difficult to remember everything about, and from what I saw from language learning forums, people who know multiple Romance languages always seem to have the same trouble with Italian 😅 so, yeah, it's way more difficult than people think it is, but I hope to get into a good conversational level.
How can you speak French, a language where words aren't pronounced as they're written, but struggle with Italian, which is one of the most phonetically consistent languages in the world? Like, yeah, Italian is not easy (the congiuntivo is probably the hardest part to master), but - especially if you already know a Romance language - you only need to know a few basic pronunciation rules (things like "ch is pronounced like k") and you're good to go. Unlike French and English, almost everything is pronounced as written. In Italian, "acqua" (water) is pronounced as written, "ak-kwa"; in French, "eau" is pronounced like "oh". In Italian, "gente" (people) is pronounced as you'd imagine, "djen-te" (first syllable sounds like the "gen" in "genesis", easy); in French, "gens" sounds like "john", there's no S sound. You see what I mean? Way more difficult.
@Bill Haverchuck French is actually quite phonetic, you just need to understand pronunciation and liaison rules, and you'll be able to sound every single word quite accurately. Although the 's' in "gens" may not be pronounced in most cases, it's still pronounced when the next word starts with a vowel. My problem with Italian isn't exactly pronunciationwise (remember: I said that I speak Ecclesiastical Latin, which uses the same phonological system as Italian), it's simply that my mind bugs out with Italian, and rules from the other languages I speak keep intruding. This is why I can understand written and spoken Italian (even the specific Italian words with meanings different from the other languages), but I cannot make myself able to actually make phrases in Italian neither in speech nor in writing. If I try to conjugate a verb in isolation, I can do it fairly well, but when I start speaking, my mind starts mixing everything, especially from my native language, since Italian and Portuguese are quite similar phonetically-wise (with the exception of some sounds and nasalization that exists in Portuguese, but not in Italian).
I have to say as a Swiss French native speaker who also knows decent (but far from fully fluent) Italian and Japanese, this made me laugh so much and your written warning early on is absolutely apt 😂 Both the pronunciation from that guy and your reactions were priceless and have brightened my day 🥰
I confirm that in French we tend to put the stress at the end, also he pronounces the “an” in both Huang and Manga to make a nasal sound that’s typically French
Also a weird thing I’ve noticed when I was taking Japanese classes, and that his pronunciation of Kitsune reminded me of, is that you can spot French learners by the way they often pronounce う as a clear French “ou” sound….don’t ask me why (I mean it would probably make more sense to use a French “u” sound if you would just flatten the mouth a little more but….)
The Japanese u is actually pronounced in the same position as the Italian u / French ou, just with a different lip shape
@@bacicinvatteneaca The sound is still closer to a French u than a ou - especially since as French speakers, we also tend to emphasize the last syllab - so des' becomes deSOU and that sounds really strange.....
What a great video on how important understanding linguistics can be. It's not the end of the world, but it is something to be aware of. I think you've done a great job breaking down the necessity of understanding HOW to pronounce a word without saying you HAVE to pronounce it "properly"
Could you debunk history channels too? I saw some that mislead history especially in english 🧐
Furthermore…
“Spaghetti Bolognese” is both grammatically and culinarily (?) incorrect.
If you’re meaning a pack of spaghetti made in Bologna, you would say
“Spaghetti Bolognesi”.
If you’re meaning spaghetti with ragù sauce, then first of all the “bolognesi” do it with tagliatelle, not spaghetti 😂
And secondly, it would be
“Spaghetti alla Bolognese”.
Even better, go to Italy and order Spaghetti Bolognese, and look at the waiters face :D (almost) Everywhere it's called ragu (even in Bologna)
@@roellemaire1979 It's called RAGÙ.
@@roellemaire1979 In Canada, we call it tomato sauce :^)
@@jimjambananaslam3596 In Finland, we call it: ”Tomaattinen jauhelihakastike”, or: ”Tomato-ey minced meat sauce” :^)🇫🇮.
I get super protective of would-be students as well, in history like Metatron does, and in sociology, philosophy, and political philosophy. So, SO much misinformation, or just information so incomplete as to be incorrect, out there.
I'm half British and half Italian. Once a waiter in a posh Italian bar very solemnly told me that I had ordered my drink wrong: indeed, it was not a grasshopper but a grass-shopper! It was really hard to keep a straight face 😅
This is a fascinating subject. I work with an Italian designer and the poor guy is the recipient of my attempts to converse in Italian. Needless to say he is very forgiving.
I was literally laughing my ass off seeing Ralph's reaction to the Italian pronunciations.😂😂😂😂
A perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. The basic problem with "experts" on UA-cam, media, and social media in general.
It's why critical thinking is important.
I think it's more just content farming or something. He just reads words and guesses based on written pronunciation guides, listens once to a recording, or straight up makes it up. He did that for Fjällräven Kånken in Swedish. Wasn't even remotely close.
Critical thinking is a rare trait, most people I know accept everything from "experts" and react negatively to doubts and questions. Repetition is the normal, reasoning is the exception.
I felt similar when I searched the pronunciation of some Latin words. I'm no expert in Latin but my original language is a Romance Language, so I'm very used to the way most syllables should be pronounced, and the majority of videos I got were from English speakers that often could not avoid to put English mannerisms (like aspiration for example) into Latin, which sound totally wrong.
I must say that I love how you always do your best to teach what's right, even in small details, also being humble to admit any mistakes.
As a Finn, I get you. We don’t have aspiration after voiceless plosives (except, in the Laplandic dialects, which have been influenced by the Sámi languages), and we pronounce words very strongly, and as they’re written (for the most part).
I'm an amateur student of chinese (only a month of study) and oh God the tones. THE TONES. 北京
I know right?
@@metatronyt also, I have a minor complaint about your Jesus video.
If you add the Jewish tradition about the House of David to the mix, Jesus is a redhead.
Wow. I was just looking for how to pronounce "Siobhan" because it always throws me when I see it, and this guy's videos were the top results in Google. I didn't recognize his name but I instantly recognized his voice and pattern of speech.
If such things as slightly changing the pitch of the same word when it's in a different context exist in Japanese, I feel for those who are trying to learn it.
I'm French. I checked French words and expressions on his channel.They were correct, maybe slightly exaggerated but not more than language teaching sites may do. I don't know why he felt the need to add an English accented version for use in English sentences to the correct French version though, that seems very weird to me.
He is french.
Of course it's a dirty frog
Tu as entendu la manière dont il prononce force majeure ? "FORCEUH MAJEUREUH" ? a mourir de rire
Maybe trying to appeal to a wider audience?
@@thfkmnIII Ok, if you really want to insult the French at least call us "Snails" or "angry smokers" that more accurate, since very few people eat frogs ...
This guy seems to be a wine guy who also does the pronunciations, and he is French, if it is the right guy. He is famous in wine circles, but I am wondering why he is even making these videos? Ralf you are fabulous and your humor is wonderful!
One I've always wondered about is 'pasta' is the british pasta with short a's closer to correct or the american pahstah with long a's closer or are both wildly wrong?
We Italians make the first a, a tiny bit longer because it is intact accented, but the way I hear Americans pronounce it sounds unnatural to me.
@@metatronyt So, more like: ”pásta”, then?
As someone who loves japanese and wants to learn the language I'm glad you pointed this out so I don't accidentally learn it from the wrong person who doesn't know how to speak it.
As a person from New Jersey who is constantly hearing people say oi joysey, which no one in in NJ says, I feel your pain
New Yorker here, its frustrating when everyone assumes we all speak like Joe Pesci, Rosie O'Donnell or Fran Drescher. Nope, our accents very. I'm from Long Island and we kinda say Lawn Guyland. I know y'all in Jersey have different accents as well. People always fuck up our accents by assuming it's a stereotypes in media
@@Jessidafennecfox we have some different accents but not a single person from NJ says joisy... We're all so confused about it 😂
Usually I pronounce it, "watch out for that guy he's going to shift 3 lanes to take that exit in 500 feet."
@@miguelsuarez-solis5027 I know it's like who da faq says it like that
@@kevinh2345 just get out of our way! Fuggedaboutit