V6 MR2 Review
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- Full review of a V6 2GR-FE MR2 swap. Is it better than a turbo? Is it fast? Does it work? Find out!!
Big thank you to Jeevey and ETL Motorsports for loaning me the car.
MR2 Turbo Review:
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1mz is NOT a heavier engine. IT is the lightest of all 3 options. You are thinking of the 3vz.
A 1mz can be mated up to the s54 box and all you need to do is change the stock diff. This sheds 100+kg from the rear whilst giving you a bit more power than the stock turbo.
Good catch! I misspoke about the 1MZ. Thanks for watching!
That's what I was thinking, having the aluminium block AND head.
Hit like hard as soon as I saw that launch
Just hit you hard with a like
The 3sgte has more potential to do what? Make more power with a smaller powerband? Have more lag? Be heavier? Create more heat and plumbing issues? Any turbo engine will have more potential to make power than a NA engine but people who do NA swaps do it because they want simplicity and power everywhere. That is why LS swaps are so popular. The 2GR has far more displacement than other NA engine that will fit without major fabrication in this engine bay. The result? Smooth effortless power from idle to redline.
C Duncan not to mention it’s lighter than the 3SGTE
Throttle issue can be solved by making a custom rubber banding device. basically a bungie chord that goes from pedal to the wall above your knee. This adds more resistance, which electric pedals have very little of.
For high end power, I would suggest different cams and a supercharger.
Huh that's an interesting hack to try. Thanks for watching!!
great insight, definitely important commentary lol
Glad you enjoyed. Thank you for watching!!
Proving once again that an engine swap is never just an engine swap. Gotta redo all the supporting stuff too, maybe even see if you can do some basic aero at the front to help fix that lift...
Yes absolutely need supporting mods!
Liked the video! But at the end you said that the 2GRFE lacks potential... Tell that to my 2GR Turbo and Dave's 800+whp 2GR as well as the 600+ spider he built.
Heaps of potential in the motor if you have the $$$ but for cheaper power the 5SGTE or K-Swap is a good idea.
Yeah with enough effort and money anything is possible, and ultimately it is a larger displacement engine. Its more about at what point is it actually worth it to you. Good points, and thanks for watching!!
Its by far the best option for people who want reliable power. 260whp is plenty for me and the type of driving I do
@@250hdd some are getting close to 300whp and yes 260 is plenty especially with the torque it offers. People like Dave and myself are just crazy 😅
The 2GR is used in the lotus. Just supercharge it, and tune and it’ll put out decent power and retain decent reliability. Of course the higher you push it the less reliable it’ll get and then you’ll have to spend more money making sure it won’t blow at high boost.
A good tuner could get that pedal dialed in.Thats the beauty of fly by wire.
Yeah for sure. I think it would just require more than most people do with the simple swap. I would 100% recommend that though.
@@SnowWhiteMR2 fair enough,but to those willing to put in the effort,theyll be happy with the improved response etc over cable :)
I've hated driving the 2GR since 2006 when my parents picked up a Rav4. Part of it is the dynamics of the car, but it felt so eager and you just had to be so gently with throttle input. Hopping out of pretty much anything else it takes a bit to recalibrate to its throttle. Only similar thing I can think of is a late 2000 Nissan Altima. Every time I push on the brakes I lurch forward. I don't know, everything just feels wrong unless it's the only car you drive. 2GR does feel good in an MR2 though. Strangely my time with an auto MR2 made me appreciate some of the slower aspects of driving. It was still hell for an on-ramp that was up hill, but 0-30 was excellent which is kind of the bulk of day-to-day life. I think you really nailed it with the Caldina idea as the best of all worlds. I am watching the 2AR stuff with a lot of interest though.
Interesting perspective on the different cars and feel, and you're totally right about 0-30 being what we do a lot of the time. Thank for watching!
Nice video with up front impressions of the 2GR swap driving impressions. You brought up points other reviews do not mention--as the other reviews are too glowing. The power band, electronic throttle, and true hp output is something nobody mentions. Possible better keeping the turbo, do an exhaust and tune and will be at or more power with the ability to do more a stronger internals. The 2GR has a much sweeter exhaust than the turbo. This video deserves a like.
Yeah the 2GR can be pretty great but it needs some help to get to its potential. Thanks for watching!
NP, watching and subscribed. Forgot about your channel until youtube metrics pushed your channel to me. Also a 93 turbo MR2 owner.@@SnowWhiteMR2
The sw20 was never very stable at high speeds. I remember getting up to over 110mph racing a del sol and the steering felt so light I didn't really feel much in control.
I think the aerodynamics were never properly tested and optimised for high speeds. The car shape generates lift rather than downforce at high speeds IMHO.
Such a cool car though.
Luv and Peace.
This is true and for most cars honestly. Thanks for watching!
if you lose the underbody covers and a few other stock items, you will have ruined the air flow and aerodynamic design
I hit 80 and I already feel like the front wants to lift 😅.
The front end is lighter as is, so any lift will make the already light front end feel like it’s floating. Simple fix: aero.
No problems here but then again I only have 150,000 miles on her.
That is awesome! Finally get to see the review. The car put a smile on your face so it must be fun. Will the car still be around next month? Also what is the going price for the swap if you already have an MR2? Thanks David!
Haha yeah it really was fun. Unfortunately no, the car is not around anymore. As for price I'm not sure. It probably depends on a lot of specific choice's like clutch, down pipe etc.
1MZ VVTi ( like mine) is light and powerful with S51 gear set it's fantastic.
No fly by wire and cruise works too. Looks like that car still has a lot of sorting needed.
Not the car to judge V6 swaps by.
Yeah I misspoke about the 1MZ being heavy. I meant the 3VZ. Speaking of, do you mean the S54 trans? Haha anyway thanks for watching!!
S51 is late model FWD S series.
Wider ratios taller final and triple synchros. Great for V6 I used the internals in my S54 case added 06 Spyker LSD.. So no ha ha.
Lot to when it comes to engine swaps.
Gotta say my piece of trash 1mz vs my good 1mz is a world of difference. The s54 vs e153 alone makes a huge difference.
Hi mate, what did you need to make the vvti work with the mr2? Aftermarket ecu? I'm looking at 1mz swapping mine and havent been too sure on the vvti. Cheers
@@jaredmills9147 just use the original ECU from 2000 Avalon LE not XLE to avoid the imobilizer.
Oh, does the AC work? Awesome. Thats what I wanted to know. Thanks!
Lol thanks for watching
This guy needs to revamp his suspension. It's true. Who tf rolls on the stock 14s in this day and age?! Polys bushings should be done too. 30 year old rubbers just say no.
Haha yeah the the rest of the car needs to be brought up to the engine's level
Pretty sure 100% of the steering vagueness is the tires, not the bushings. Poly bushings on my MK1 MR2 with 14s is still a little vague, things tighten up when i switch over to 15s.
Yeah I think the tires do have a lot to do with it. Thanks for watching!
Haha I use the same Canyon all the time for late night drives in my MR2, that’s crazy
It's a nice road, just too much stuff around it
Snow_White_MR2
eh, got use to it since I use the road so much
It only gets better with eurobeat 😂
@@snowman101100 Lol nice. Yeah I think for this particular road gong at night is much better because of traffic.
Rebuild the stock brakes back to newish conditoin with decent pads and rotors, GUARANTEE you would be happy with the brakes.
Eh idk I've driven a lot of MR2s and like I said the brakes aren't bad but they're not great either. I think it was in 93 they got a slight upgrade that feels better, but pads would have benefited this car for sure. I'd rather have more bakes than more power.
@@SnowWhiteMR2 the brakes on the two are heavy, but I like that. I've removed the abs and threshold braked a fair bit. Even compared to modern sports cars it's impressive bro.
Just my opinion from touge runs and tracks
@@Shadow1986 I like the firm pedal too if that's what you mean. Maybe I sounded too negative. The MR2 brakes are good, but they are better in the 93 and especially with 2GR this one just felt under braked. Also, I might just be spoiled because I've gotten used to my BBK with 2 piece rotors lol. Thanks again for watching and all the comments! (No ABS gang👊)
Thanks for your video. It's helped me decide to upgrade the turbo and not 2gr swap. No points in low down torque if it's weaker in the high recs
I talked to GV from ETL, he said this V6 swap isn't for racing. I'm debating on either rebuilding my third gen or going this route though, I'm 51 and still love my MR2. It's so sad that the S motor is really an M motor in disguise and not that reliable anymore. I blame the California 91 pump isn't the same as it was 15 years ago.
Well personally I've found the S motor to be very reliable, but mine is a gen 4 so might be different. I think it's just getting old and tuning any motor will wear it out sooner. 2GR is extremely reliable, but that's most lower revving NA engines.
Do you track a lot?
@@SnowWhiteMR2 no I race a lot on the freeways, I've had this car since 2003 and blown up 5 motors. I've been into MR2s since 1995 and live in the San Diego area. My third gen laid out 307 at 2410 curb. I always hate to see the car sit, not like I can beat much anymore. Pull away from slightly modified newer V8 Mustang that's about it, when it was running right.
@@tommyhajimoto6968 oh damn that sucks. sounds like it just needs a better tune. If you're really into roll racing I wouldn't bother with a 2GR. It will be a lot more money to make big power with it. Good luck and thnx for watching!
@@SnowWhiteMR2 if I can find a machinist assistant who be willing to come over and just gap my rings it's just a head gasket /oil pan removal for me.
as far as the suspension goes, is there somewhere with a lot of TRD springs left? I can't seem to find them anywhere and if you don't want coilovers it seems the eibach is about the only way to go.
Facts. TRD springs are hard to find so if you don't want to go coilovers that's basically it
The Eibach Sportlines have the closest spring rates to the TRD. The Sportlines are 188 front 384 rear and the TRD is 168 front 308 rear. Imo they're a better spring than the TRD when combined with koni yellows. Units in lb/in
jesus, just get coilovers
You think keeping the stock flywheel would improve the touchy throttle feel?
Hmm that's an idea. I think the real issue is the tuning of it though.
@@SnowWhiteMR2 I guess an aftermarket ecu would be required to actually tune the pedal vs throttle position as opposed to just a hacked ecu.
Yes sir. There is a one that makes about 290hp and uses 91. That might be better, but I don't know.
You can't keep the stock flywheel. 1MZ flywheel can be used though.
@@kingdavid2018 Yes with an aftermarket ECU you can change the sensitivity of the throttle position sensor and have it to your liking. This swap is a great swap and gives you a car that is more fun in many ways than a stock Gen4 swap (mostly due to the torque). However having the supporting mods are what makes this swap really shine and if you can afford it (not cheap) then a aftermarket such as the Link G4+ Fury is great.
I like small wheels, big tyres... but on a 90s sports car, even I gotta admit, too small. I can't stand cars that look like they're actually rolling on naked rims, lol. Gotta have nice fat rubber with sexy tread wrapped around proper racing wheels, not these 'diamond cut' fashion pieces xD
Yeah I think 16-17 is perfect for the MR2. 14 is a little silly with today tires haha. Thanks for watching!
@@SnowWhiteMR2 My Mk1 is sitting on 16s and it handles like a truck, lol...
@@Nemoticon Well the Mk1 is a very different car haha
Wtf u talking about... Gear ratios have nothing to do with whether the engine wants to rev or not. The design does not seem to choke it either AND it has a lighter flywheel so I would bet on the factory ECU tune being the main culprit seeing as it came out of a Rav 4 rather than say, a SE camry or Es300 + restrictive exhaust. Sounds like it's mated to the stock exhaust so it's prob getting choked up top while low-mid range gets a bit of a boost from that.
no engine bay view?
It was kinda dirty so I left it out but if you're curious you can see it on my "Rooftop Car Meet With MR2" video.
ok cool. nice video btw
@@TRDboi85 thanks for watching!!
Don’t agree with v6 swapping a genuine turbo car. Should only do it to a factory na car
Well to each their own. There are a lot of cost saving benefits to starting with the Turbo though.
Can you expand on that? I have a NA that I want to convert.
@@djflashlinx5150 The Turbo car comes with the E153 trans, E153 axles and hubs, the Turbo clutch pedal with the assist string, better front brakes. Over all, pretty similar apart from that. If I was going to do the conversion again, I'd try to find a non-running Turbo. Otherwise, you'll have to source all of the Turbo bits you don't have. Totally do able though. If it came down to a crap Turbo and clean NA, I'd go with the NA. Just make sure you get an MR2 with ABS, you do not want a 2GR MR2 (or any MR2) without ABS.
So boring