How Earth-Shattering Will This Six Flags/Cedar Fair Merger Be? | Buy or Sell, Episode 25
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
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You mention the legal aspect of SF and Gerstlauer, Cedar Fair and Intamin have a legal issue too. The Top Thrill accident has both listed as defendants. Intamin is trying to push everything on Cedar Fair, while Cedar Fair has documentation of getting approval for a revised maintenance schedule on TTD. Both will end up paying something, but the split and the blame game during the process could make the rift bigger.
Six Flags gave a green light to Gerstlauer by adding a 3rd train for Iron Rattler at Fiesta.
Dorney Park definitely won’t have it’s name changed. It is one of the oldest parks in America and too historical to the Northeast area. Also Six Flags Great Adventure is less than two hours away so it would make no sense to have two of them that close to each other.
Also Cedar Fair had a 10 year plan for Dorney to bring it up to one of their tier 1 parks prior to the merger with Iron Menace being the start. They wouldn’t put a near 20 million dollar B&M project in if they planned on selling it.
If they continue with this plan and offer a Dorney and Great Adventure combined pass they will be major competition for Hershey and can steal the market away from them. If they sold Dorney and a company like Seaworld acquired it to get space in that market area it would be trouble for them so it’s much better to keep Dorney.
Buy or sell. Disney and universal will try to block this merger
I hope this one makes it in!
Hard sell. Cedar fair and six flags are in an vastly different market from disney and universal. Disney And Universal are known for their theming and premium experiences, whereas cedar fair and six flags are more traditional amusement parks.
Universal is expanding at a quicker pace, and Disney reigns supreme in the theme park industry simply for their IPs. Neither will see this merger as a problem when they’ve got parks in other countries around the world that people travel miles for, as opposed to these lower cost, regional parks.
Highly doubt this. Even as a combined company, they won't even be close to being as big as those nor be a threat either.
none of their buisness
Cedar Fair if it actually has issues with RMC, it's for a reason. Look at the Raptors, SFFT had to do a major closer and track repair, as well as get new trains for a 5 year old coaster. CF is probably not happy that Railblazer might need the same to make it run well. Since CGA is closing in 2026/27 they might just tear it down and not relocate it. Steel Vengeance has major issues, besides the bump in the first month of ops. The continuous need for reinforcement was probably expected somewhat, but the issues with the ride control system, blocks, etc....is more of an issue that could cause a rift.
There is a chance of RailBlazer getting relocated if SF has interests of buying the attraction if it was up for sale and relocate it to one of the current parks. Over Georgia, New England, and St. Louis are some examples that can benefit having it in their lineup
Wolverine wildcat after the second turn as of summer 2023 has some very strong ejector airtime and it’s very smooth. It doesn’t need to be RMCed, just add more Titan track, or some other entirely knew, smooth wooden track
"Titan Track"™
Agreed. I loved my rides on Wolverine Wildcat in July, riding better than ever, with great airtime. I hope they do some kind of trackwork on Shivering Timbers, because that was brutal.
Wolverine Wildcat got GravityKraft retracking before 2023 season. The part with the wood retrack is running smooth. It actually feels like it's based on Phoenix now. They just need to do the other half and Wolverine Wildcat is golden for a few years.
When you're talking about debt, there is a looming possible major expenditure(need for new financing) coming regarding the partnership parks of Over Georgia and Over Texas. The option to buy the remaining 47% of SFOT and 63% of SFOG comes in 2027 & 2028. The cost of buying these out would be around 525M.
I just genuinely hope Cedar Fair adopts Six Flags' operations policy or we will all be in for it. Seatbelts on Nitro, Raging Bull and Goliath anyone? Please no.
CP ops but SF rules.
I don’t think they want a lawsuit
Seatbelts aren't that bad tho (at least over here). You hardly notice them during the ride. Of course, this could be different in the US.
I hope not for Raging Bull. The clamshell lap bars are comfortable.
Six Flags ops suck
with cedar fair adding iron menace to Dorney I wouldn't expect them to sell it
Cedar point adding top thrill 2 in 2024......
As a central Pennsylvania enthusiast I don’t think they would change dorney parks name. Often in that area know of great adventure and usually think it’s the only six flags park. That area already has a six flags park even if it’s in a different state. But they would be to close to call one six flags plus six flags already being established to the gp in that area. They are barely 2 hours apart not even as well. Plus dorney is old and has been an established name in that area for over 100 years
They would definitely not change Dorney’s name. It is one of the oldest amusement parks in America and too historical to the Northeast. Great Adventure is also too close. Cedar Fair also already had a 10 year plan in place for Dorney to bring it closer to one of their tier 1 parks with Iron Menace being the start and if they do that and have a Dorney and Great Adventure season pass they can offer two different park experiences and steal the market away from Hershey.
Buy or sell: Dolllywood next coaster will be a B&M Hyper/Giga. Or any thrill ride.
Buy or Sell: Lightning Rod has problems with valleying on the pre-drop.
Buy or Sell: Lost Island will buy SBNO or relocated coasters and flat rides to expand their collection, such as the abandoned Intamin 10-inversion coaster at Wonderland Eurasia
Buy or sell: the dipping dots stand at Frontier City has a rub and tug in the back.
Buy or sell. American Heartland Theme Park forces the new chain’s hand when it comes to Frontier City.
Buy or Sell: After removing comfort collars on Ice Breaker, SeaWorld does the same to at least one Sky Rocket 2.
Buy or Sell: A smaller, independent theme park closes/puts itself up for sale due to the merger.
Interesting topics!
Buy or sell: Frontier City, La Ronde, Michigan's Adventure and Darian Lake will close by 2030 because of the merger.
Buy or sell the replacement for t3 will be a wing or inverted coaster
If the six flags people can’t convince the cedar fair people to work with Rmc, that’s gonna be bad bad news for Rmc! But what if they go to GCI and start having them use the titan track to hybrid coasters. That would be a crazy boost to GCI
Great Adventure is already playing around with becoming a multi-day destination - they have new “glamping” tent-condos coming to the safari next year for a VIP overnight stay. The sample room on display outside the park entrance recently was actually VERY nice and impressive!
Buy or sell. Carrowinds will be either treated to more rides or be completely demolished
Buy or Sell: Hersheypark’s next coaster will be a family multi-launch in Chocolatetown.
Buy or sell, with lightning rod losing its launch, the lift hill gets completely reworked and it loses its airtime hill before the drop and becomes a hyper hybrid with a fully reworked lift and drop.
Buy or sell: Within the next 5 years, Premier Rides will come out with a new model and train (to modernize their launch coasters like Intamin, Zamperla, and Mack)
Would be awesome if they made straddle trains for the former Italian Jobs.
I just really do hope our home park of Frontier City gets some love man it desperately needs it
Personally I'd like to see it get sold to Gene Staples. At the very least you'll get a wicked old Schwarzkopf that takes 5 years to rebuild. That would still be better than anything Six Flags will ever do for it.
But seriously, you know he would make some serious improvements.
Have to think Herschend would grudgingly take over the lease to block American Heartland. FC would do just fine playing second fiddle to SDC. The question is whether Herschend would demand Six Flags add a family coaster first. If that's the case, I could see them get Pandemonium from Fiesta Texas. They'd have to remove the go-karts and the back half of the Nightmare building, but it's feasible.
THE EPR lease parks will get scant Capex and likely will be not renewed the leases or if not financially costly, early termination of the leases. CF management doesn't like leases. All of the EPR lease parks produce little & have low profit margins. This is from SF own comment on them, the lease parks have lower per caps than the all ready lower per caps than their peers of SF legacy parks.
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Buy or sell: The B&M flyer slowly dies out
It already died out
@@Cat3465no it’s more popular than ever rn outside of the us
Buy or sell: with flash vertical velocity we will see more vekomas at cedar fair and six flags parks with the merger.
Buy or sell: Disney will open a new park to combat Epic Universe
buy or sell: certain parts of cedar fair parks, like fast lane, will stay, but not be expanded to more parks.
I honestly wonder if the merger will actually go through. Theres still a possibility that they fall off the merger. I'm excited yet scared due to this merger as it brings up a lot of outcomes; good or bad.
They're both drowning in debt. This merger is the best way for them to restructure it. Beyond that, Cedar Fair needs Six Flags' broader OEM partnerships, IPs, and southern properties; Six Flags needs Cedar Fair's strategic discipline and focus on park operations, food, and merch. Doubling their park footprint will allow them to market dozens of unique 2-3 park pass combinations that other chains just can't offer. Cedar Fair's majority ownership will probably provide more positive outcomes than disasters. At least mid-low-tier parks won't be treated like glorified carnivals as JRA approached them.
Dorney Park will not get sold. Dorney has a massive crowd, especially at the Water Park, all Summer and during Haunt. I think, for Dorney, it would be profitable for them to charge a separate charge for the Wild Water Kingdom for any pass under their Gold Tier. Same for all their events. (Grand Carnival and Haunt!) Now, a park like Six Flags America is in far larger danger in getting axed.
I honestly hope they don't do that.. It already hurts having to pay separate for Great Adventure and Hurricane Harbor and the reason my family and I still make the way to Dorney is because, as the slogan goes from back in the day: Two Great Parks for the Price of One!
Yes, i hope they do axe Six Flags America. That park still feels as though it is stuck in the premier park era. Of the parks they branded during the rebrand of the premier parks to six flags in 99 and 2000, this one feels the weakest, very incoherent midways and themeing (other six flags are guilty of this), and parts of the walkway to certain attractions feel as though they came out of the rollercoaster tycoon game.. If they do keep it, they are going to have to pump some capital into it. The park has tons of room and alot of potential that can be tapped into.
@@kaleemarie13 I see where your concerns are but, for example, I have both a Diamond Pass for Six Flags and a Gold Plus for Dorney and, the crowd that is drawn in at Dorney has gotten quite bad in the last 2 years. Especially at WWK. To increase profitability and give guest a more pleasant experience, this dual charge system for any Pass below Gold is ideal. I also hold a King Size Pass for Hershey and, although Hershey is pricey compared to Great Adventure and Dorney, the crowds aren't rude and unruly.
I've got a feeling this new chain will operate like cedar fair for the big parks and Six Flags for the small, with the big parks getting the flashier more expensive rides and the small ones getting the cheap thrills. However, overall more rides will come to all parks, especially when the debt is gone
With Vekoma in the mix, though, they might try to add a new coaster every decade to the smallest parks. Even MA might get a family Boomerang to replace Corkscrew - especially if WW gets a couple zero G rolls and Infinity Flyers.
Since Cedar Fair likes resort parks, do you think they'll see potential with Darien Lake since it is a resort? I can see them buying Darien Lake from EPR or trading a couple of parks like Dorney Six Flags America for Darien Lake.
Went to Darien Lake for the first time in August. It's really a nice park, and we had a great time.
The problem is Darien Lake is about an hour *east* of Niagara Falls. So if you're driving up from the Midwest, it's definitely a bit out of the way, which makes it harder to market DL as a destination. The best thing Six Flags could do for DL is relocate a Batman clone into the open pit where all the water rides / slides were. Then they immediately close Mind Eraser and eventually build a Gravitykraft woodie or Wild Moose there.
DL is a lease park, they aren't putting major Capex in to it. Actually, just the opposite, CF management which will be running things will look to not renew the lease or terminate it early, if it's not cost prohibitive. DL is a low producing, low profit & low margin park. Also, the hotel there produces so little, it's not even mentioned in SF financial reports. All of the EPR lease parks will likely have the same fate, lease termination early or non renewal. FYI, DL is worth much less than Dorney or SFA.
Dorney Park is very valuable to Cedar Fair and one of the most historical parks in North America. They wouldn’t have created a 10 year plan for it to bring it up to a tier 1 park and put a 20 million dollar B&M in it if they planned on selling it.
@@AFCompany The notion Iron Menace is 20M is ludicrous. It has the same specs as the other mini dives that Sea World San Diego and SFFT got, they cost just under 12M. Dorney wasl never going to be a tier 1 park in the old Cedar Fair. They were like 8th in the pecking order. They will drop even more after the merger, behind the major SF legacy parks of GADv, MM, Great America, Fiesta Texas, Over Georgia, Over Texas, etc...
Buy or sell Hersheypark will eventually expand to Florida
good one! i think texas is more likely if they do
Buy or Sell: Invertigo and Congo Falls at Kings Island will be removed in the next 6 years for a second entrance and or a new Roller Coaster.
Buy or Sell: in the next 6 years a Cedar Fair park will get a B&M Surf Coaster.
Buy Or Sell:Project Horizon at Alton Towers will be something similar to the new Fire In The Hole
Buy or Sell: Vekoma will begin retracking and reprofiling old Arrow coasters such as Viper to extend their shelf life and modernize them
S&S already does that but six flags doesn't want to pay for it.
I don't care who does it, but I would love to see Viper at SFMM saved.
Buy or sell - Cedar Fair management takes interest in Six Flags America. The park either sees major expansion to take advantage of the large population base or it gets sold off for the high property value
The only problem is Kings Dominion.
@@DoswarePictures true
I’d like to see some of the 6F parks get some of the upgraded food options we’ve seen being implemented in the Cedar Fair parks specifically like the new venues we’ve seen open at CP and Carowinds
But or Sell, Vekoma becomes a top 4 manufacturer in the next 8 years
I think this merger will see improvements to what La Ronde gets just by virtue of Six Flags being 4 years delinquent on the legally required minimum investment into the park and the new merged entity will not want to deal with that legal nightmare with creditors when one midlevel ride from Canada's Wonderland being moved would fix that and also free up space in their 3rd pillar park. Honestly this will probably help a lot of Six Flag's smaller parks because while it isn't ideal moving a ride or attraction is a hell of a lot cheaper then building a new one, and there's quite a few at Knott's, Magic Mountain, Wonderland and Cedar Point that would do more good being packed up and shipped to Michigan just to free up space.
I've heard that it's actually a lot more expensive than one might think to relocate a ride. By the time it's all said and done, you would probably be better off just buying a raptor for them instead of relocating a coaster.
@@Spike-sk7ql It depends on the ride which is why plenty of parks outside the US are quick to buy old steel coasters when they hit the market. Endor was worth the relocation cost while Viper was not, and Endor is significantly larger then Viper.
Why have Six Flags financials been so bad for so long compared to Cedar Fair, Sea World, etc.? Or is that just not the case, and the perception as a cheap chain perpetually on the brink of bankruptcy (again) just incorrect?
I'm a few days late but Six Flags worked with Gerstlauer last year when they bought another train for Iron Rattler.
Buy or Sell: We will see at least 1 park we did not know was going to close currently, close for good within 3 years in America (Not including CGA)
Not including Elitch Gardens, too. Because its days are clearly numbered.
@@brianfoss571 A second re-location could save Elitch Gardens. I think Elitch Gardens should split off from a chain and become independent while I think Lakeside Amusement Park (Denver's other amusement park) should join a chain (specifically IB Parks & Entertainment), I know, it's ironic.
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Buy or sell: Cedar Point will give Raptor the Nemesis treatment.
Buy or Sell: The merger doesnt affect as much as enthusiasts have made it out to be, and the chains stay largely independent
Good question here, but personally I would sell it. Maybe not this year, but moving forward all of the parks are going to be pushed towards the company's general all inclusive vision.
That's an interesting theory. What if we hardly see any changes at all? Gotta think at the very least, the passes will change.
The two chains did have very different approaches to operations and additions. CF didn't care for a overall brand experience and the parks did have a more independent feel. While SF pushed the brand and licensed IPs hard, with a few parks getting some exceptions.
I do hope they go more in the way CF was run and try to make each park feel more unique, and not add multiple clones all with the same theme. I actually would be interested if they keep the DC licenses as I don't think most people care if the ride is themed to superheros especially if they aren't in a themed area together.
Like how SFGAd reverted Bizarro back to Medusa. And with them having Superman, Green Lantern, and The Joker not in the Movietown section possibly retheming those to match their areas better
The fact that Cedar Fair picked an S&S FreeSpin for KD makes me optimistic they might add an Axis coaster to one of their legacy parks. Could be a great fit for Worlds of Fun or Valleyfair! So there's probably going to be some bleed-over between Six Flags' and Cedar Fair's preferred models. Won't be at all shocked if Fiesta Texas closes Pandemonium and adds an enclosed Zamperla Wild Mouse later. But will Cedar Fair regularly work with RMC and S&S? Maybe for 3 or 4 projects - doubt it'll be a trend, though.
@@RonnieRLD Coaster enthusiasts don't seem to care about the DC theming, and most seem to actually despise it for some reason. However, if you talk with non-enthusiast guests, who are a huge majority of guests, the DC theming actually is quite popular and a big deal. People show up in partial costumes or capes, and they love that a superhero's name is slapped on a coaster, and it makes the ride more memorable and marketable. I think from a business standpoint, they need to keep the DC theming, and maybe do more of it.
Buy or Sell: Michigan’s Adventure gets a new coaster no sooner than 2026.
Always love this series.
Buy or sell: The Loch Ness Monster will be the last standing arrow looper.
Buy or sell, aside from B and M the next manufacturer to build a giga will be Mack
The DC theming needs to be upgraded at all parks!!! I can't see DK getting closed or sold off as they can operate year round unlike most of the other parks in the country!!! Also with the closing of CA, there will only be one northern California park left!!! Just my 2 cents. I welcome any input!!!
But or sell: the Mack Stryker will end up being sold by Mack over their regular launch coasters
buy or sell. within the next 5 years we see a new roller coaster on the level of steel vengeance at a six flags park
Buy or sell: Kings Islands next thrill coaster will be a compact multi launch coaster manufactured by Vekoma.
Either that or a MACK Xtreme Spinner
@CoasterWorld44 An XSC seems less likely with the Montezooma fiasco tarnishing Mack's relationship with Cedar Fair. But if Vekoma crams the elements of their Shockwave model into Vortex's footprint, they'll have a massive hit.
Yeah true
Buy or sell. To start decreasing debt, the merged company won’t target a small park to sell off, but rather one that has a lot of coasters that could be moved to new parks. Along with Great America, these rides will be the influx some of the lower tier parks will get. “New rides” for parks, not the cost of a new coaster.
The last time something like this happened was Cedar Fair closing Geauga Lake, preventing it from competing with Cedar Point. Doubt Dorney Park would close to reduce competition with Great Adventure - they fill different niches. In theory, Six Flags America could close, but it doesn't have many coasters worth relocating. Their Superman coaster probably wouldn't fit in any of the parks that don't have a hyper. Batwing, Joker's Jinx, Ragin' Cajun (itself a relo), and Great Chase could be re-installed elsewhere, but none of them are going to complete a park's lineup. Mind Eraser, Firebird, and Roar would almost certainly be scrapped. Wild One **might** be rebuilt at Great Adventure, but only because it's so historic. Ultimately, it's an inferior choice to Geauga Lake, because it was never intended to compete head-to-head with CP, Hershey, or Great Adventure. Parks with more ideal coasters to relocate include Discovery Kingdom and Over Texas, but I doubt Six Flags would pull out of the Bay Area entirely, and they're not closing their original park.
Buy Or Sell: Within the next 10-15 years, Kingda Ka’s hydraulic launch will be removed
Buy or sell: the new six flags/cedar fair company decide to sell the land that Six Flags Over Texas sits on, because of its profitable downtown setting.
Buy or sell: Kings Island gets the next Mack Xtreme spinner
it’s all just a waiting game for now. great video!
I think Six Flags parks will run more like cedar fair parks now. We will see all parks across the new chain move up in quality themed additions and rely far less on quantity
Buy or sell: sfga will rmc American eagle for its 50th anniversary and Goliath will be with something compact, like a raptor, t-Rex, or even something like tmnt shell raiser
Buy or Sell: Hershey Park, BGT, SFMM, SFGADV, and Knotts will get a giga before 2028
Buy or Sell: An intamin giga bites the dust by 2035.
Buy or Sell: With vekoma working with herschend, and with Lighting Rod getting its launch lift hill removed a vekoma launch coaster will be the next coaster at dollywood
Buy or Sell: one of the three 'big' coasters at Morey's Piers (Great White, Sea Serpent, Great Nor'easter) closes within the next 5 years.
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Buy or sell. B&M make back to back launch coasters until 2026
I’d love to know if I buy a season pass for six flags will that include Cedar Fair parks?
Not this year, but I bet next year they will have that option
Not for 2024.
Buy or sell: Flash Vertical Velocity opening will be delayed because of technical issues becoming Vekoma's own "Lightning Rod"
Buy or sell: Silverwood is going to get a new roller in the coming years and will be on the cusp of an elite park.
I could see the company selling a park or two, but I don't think it would be any Cedar Fair branded parks like Dorney Park or Michigan's Adventure, nor do I see them selling any parks with the Six Flags name like Six Flags America or Darien Lake. With so many Hurricane Harbor waterparks, I'd think they'd sell a few of the ones they've most recently acquired like the ones in Concord, Houston, Phoenix, and Rockford. I could also see them selling the Schlitterbahn waterparks to their original owners. If they did have to sell any parks, I'd want them to sell La Ronde back to the city of Montreal and what them find someone who would be willing to put better operation and investment into it. I also think Herschend would be better suited to operating Frontier City and nearby Hurricane Harbor and Palace might be perfect to run the Great Escape and its lodge across the street.
Buy or Sell: The Beast gets Titan track in the next 10 years
Sell, absolutely not.
I don’t think they’ll RMC hurler anytime soon due to the work they are doing to it right now. Seems like they’re replacing the track though.
Honestly, why does everyone hate hurler so much? I rode it a few times in April, and it's really not THAT bad. Actually a mildly decent ride.
@@Spike-sk7ql agreed it’s not too rough very underrated
@@Spike-sk7ql Because it has the massive misfortune of sitting next to F325's lift hill instead of occupying the back half of Kentucky Kingdom.
As a northern California coaster enthusiast, I cant help but be scared that we'll be left with no parks. I mean, Discovery Kingdom's opps have already fallen off a cliff in recent years and other than Joker, everything has just been a clone for years.
Buy or sell: darien lake gets sold by six flags within the next 8 years
4:29 Personally I believe that theyll work with them again, the death wasnt the fault of the trains. Also SFOG apparently is getting something new from Gerstlauer, they said that when I was there at CoasterFest after being asked about a big crate.
2026 Gerstlauer launch coaster?!?
Also something to note, Fiesta Texas bought a new train for Iron Rattler from Gerstlauer, so there is some relationship. Same with Cedar Point buying a new Millennium Force train in (I think) 2022 or 2021.
@@TheSonicseanbuying a train for a coaster isn't the same as buying a coaster. New trains are sometimes a necessity. Cedar Fair really needs to get over their anti Intamin bs (if it TRULY exists as bad as it seems to). They'll never get the same top tier coasters out of another company. Even if Zamperla did hire some Intamin people, that does not make them Intamin 2.0. Intamin, and RMC are the companies building the standout coasters right now. Mack has a couple good models, but if you think Intamins are expensive, Macks are just as, if not more expensive.
@Spike-sk7ql with how many issues Cedar Point dealt with, and still currently does from Intamin, with the 2 major incidents of the log ride and Top Thrill, as well as the notorious downtime of Top Thrill, Millennium and Mavrick, I think it will be a while before CP works with them.
But honestly Intamin hasn't really done anything that ground breaking in about 20 years. Everything they've done since then is slightly faster versions of their ride or copying other manufactures rides. We'll have to see what happens with Falcons Flight to see if that changes.
I have gotten to ride two modern Intamin's, Darkoaster and Pantheon. Both are good rides but I don't think they bring anything to the table that other manufacturers don't do. Some of Pantheon's elements were heavily inspired by RMCs, and they appear to be very similar to the new Vekomas as well. And with SFGAd getting the new Super Boomerang, that could be the start of the chain working with them instead
@Spike-sk7ql Those are all good points, but even if Cedar Fair does repair their relationship with Intamin, which parks would actually get a large multi-launch coaster from them? As much as I'd love a version of Velocicoaster at King's Island, I can't see it happening. While Banshee is larger than Raptor, Orion is not larger than Millie. Cedar Fair probably won't give them anything that one-ups Maverick.
Carowinds has a Mack-multi-launch, so they're covered. KD is getting a launched B&M wing to balance I-305's intensity - they don't urgently need anything from Intamin. I wouldn't be shocked if Knott's closes Xcelerator in 5 years for a Vekoma multi-launch. World's of Fun needs a launched coaster, but they won't get anything huge. Canada's Wonderland would be the chain's best hope for a massive Intamin multi-launch, but they're probably getting a launched B&M wing instead. Why wouldn't they?
No, Cedar Fair probably decided that Zamperla could build a ground-up launched Lightning coaster that's good enough for Worlds of Fun. With Mack scuttling Montezooma, Cedar Fair's probably going to look at Zamperla's Double Heart as a replacement. And those spinning wild mice will likely show up in a few other parks. Hate to say it, but CF probably decided they can get more projects out of Zamperla than Intamin.
Buy Or Sell: Frontier City gets a new roller coaster in the next 5 years.
Buy or sell. Canada’s wonderland will delay the planned 2025 wing/inverted b&m coaster because both chains will be in debt.
Buy or Sell: A park at the bottom of the Six Flags/Cedar Fair chain will be in the top 10 by 2030.
Is Six Flags America permanently closing?
If for some miracle reason they DONT close, will they bring back a Christmas event (for example: Winter fest or holiday in the park?)
*I “PREFER” CALIFORNIA’S GREAT AMERICA TO PERMANENTLY CLOSE THAN 6 FLAGS AMERICA!*
For the last time, there's no reason to think Six Flags America is closing. Mind Eraser might not be reopening next year, but that's just as well. New trains probably aren't enough to make it fun. Would like to see them get a Vekoma family Boomerang where the Whistlestop area was, but we'll see how it plays out.
I admire your optimism. But I think things may be a bit slow for a while. In the corporate world these kind of mergers (as opposed to large scale one sided acquisitions) usually happen because both companies are on shaking ground and are considering shedding assets and want to build a more stable base in order to survive the sell offs. It's very unlikely that this merger means more money for either chain but instead more desire to make cuts. Hopefully that's temporary but I think this merger means they're both in big trouble.
Hopefully I'm wrong.
Exactly $4 billion in debt for cedar fair plus $4 billion in debt for six flags equals $8 billion in debt for the combined company.
Spot on analysis!
Buy or sell: The next axis coaster goes to a Seaworld or Merlin park
Buy or sell: for SFGAM’s 50th anniversary, the park will get an Intamin Hot Racer instead of an RMC raptor
I really like that idea. They could get a dueling Intamin Hot Racer if they wanted
Buy or sell: Sandy’s Blasting Bronco is the only ‘Vertical LSM Coaster’ to ever be in operation.
Maybe I'm wrong here, but aren't there already others overseas?
Personally I enjoyed it.
@@toyoracer33 I checked RCDB and it said it was the only one, could be wrong though
Although not build by intamin, but Wicked at Lagoon (Utah) does feature a vertical LSM launch.
@@shamurocks5882 completely unrelated. For some reason the model is called the ‘Vertical LSM coaster’ and no, it doesn’t feature a vertical launch.
@legomania2427 So, your question is more referring to if that specific model by Intamin would be replicated/ built again.
Kinda silly to call it "Vertical LSM Coaster" when it doesn't feature a vertical LSM launch. Just my opinion....
Buy or Sell: Carowinds will get more investment with the HQ moving to Charlotte
Buy or sell: King’s Island adds a new coaster in Vortex’s former spot within the next 5 years
I hope you're right, and that it's a Mack extreme spinner.
Buy or sell. SFNE won’t end up replacing Goliath with a new coaster.
I think it's either next year or never. I find it strange that a park Six Flags treats pretty well has gotten next to nothing over the past few seasons.
Buy or sell, Snoopy gets slowly phased out of the cedar fair parks.
As far as SeaWorld and Herschend, I agree that they probably won’t merge but I think it’s mainly because the two main Herschend Parks are in a different market. I’m concerned for SeaWorld, especially given their recent financial drama.
Buy or Sell: SeaWorld will buy at least one of the smaller Six Flags/Cedar Fair parks.
Buy or Sell: Skyrush gets new restraints for the 2024 season
Buy or sell. Carowinds will tear down nighthawk to replace it with a B&m flyer
In 2006, various TV stations affiliated with The WB and UPN that didn’t join The CW (a new network resulting from a sort of merger) formed MyNetworkTV. Do you think any sold off parks will form their own chain?
Either that or other chains like Herchend and Merlin could pick them up.
Buy Or Sell: A major coaster manufacturer goes bankrupt within the next 5 years
Buy Or Sell: Universal Studios will buy back PortAventura
Buy or Sell: CGA wont really close, it just gets sold to another chain / operates independently
As long as it stays open I think it will be saved myself
Buy or sell: With the new family coaster coming to Knott's, the MonteZOOMa project will be push backed, or done for.
Guarantee you that coaster never reopens. It's pretty much completely torn down and with so much stuff missing they would have to reconstruct most of it. So Knott's can either spend the equivalent of a new coaster to put it back together or start fresh. Starting fresh would be more marketable.
Buy or sell. Canadas wonderland gets an invert or flying coaster, not a wing, and announces the removal of Flight Deck and Time Warp shortly thereafter.