Is text enough to form a friendship? | Eugenia Kuyda and Lex Fridman
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I prefer face to face conversations. I don't delete, edit, and re-think what i'm saying when i'm speaking verbally. I like to see facial expressions when talking to someone, it's much easier to detect sarcasm, irony and lies.
I doubt I could fall in love without eye contact.
In the past, there is no doubt people fell in love just writing letters. Therefore text is enough.
Sawyer W they fell in love with an idea they created in their head of what the other person was. Reality is often very different.
Texting - short thoughts - are rather different than a well constructed letter which allows the development of complex ideas in the occasionally lengthy paragraph! But I do believe that even with the limitation of the rather brief text, friendships can develop.
While I do think that text is the rawest form of the other that you're gonna get, freed from the constraints of juggling speech and appearance and timing, and having enough time to present you with ideas and wit in the refined form that most defines them, it still feels to me like a stepping stone to something else, like it's the antichamber of closeness. Although I guess it depends on your definition of friendship, if it's a bond where two people enjoy each other's (real or virtual) company then sure, but it feels like humans are wired to bond through shared experiences that are hard to replicate through text.
You can fall in love with the idea you have of someone through text alone but I don’t know if that person is who you think they are until you experience each other in the flesh. Furthermore one could be in love with a text itself. Am I in love with Shakespeare because I love his work, I don’t feel in love with him as a person. Either way very interesting 🤔
I think the reason why people need smell, touch and physicality is due to their definitions of love. And the reason why human text is not enough is due to humans factors like insecurity, deception, effort. A theoretical AI has an easier time is creating intimacy for the people who don’t define their love through compulsive physicality
...i had misunderstandings that lead to full blown arguments with people i know 10+ years only because text-only communication... not only that text is not enough to form a friendship, fall in love or whatever.. ..but it is not enough to maintain existing relationships.
I am a person that gesticulates a lot, uses facial expressions, uses touch, smile..etc...in a conversation, thats impossible in text, even with video or in augmented reality or something.
And lets not mention that in that way a company hosting service for communication, being text, video or whatever, like skype, zoom or others...is putting itself as defacto middle man for something humans did since there were humanity and you can not ever be sure if the message is genuine or the middle man, or some other side hacking the middle man, is tampering it...
Honestly pushing for that sterile non real life communication lately in the society is preposterous... in a way even infringing on basics of what means to be human... :P
...as a technical person who knows a lot of modern technology, likes it... and has a career in that domain... a hard No.
I think mannerisms aren’t decisive when it comes to love. Sure we are very used to infatuation with a persons aura, energy, physical expression - but it it necessary for TRUE love? For example a blind and paralysed man can still feel love for another human to the same level as any other human. Sure our cultural norms, visual + physical pleasures and intimacy make it easier for us humans to love - but maybe that’s more due to pleasure seeking and normality, as opposed to a necessary component of love.
@@fortytwo9517 i didnt ment "only" manerisms ( for example if we talked in real life you would know exactly what i ment ) ...but the whole package by presenting few examples ( for example blind perso has others smell..sound of voice...etc )... also there is just the vibe of a person when it is in the room..you cant transfer that via text.
All in all... text communication is like a pale shadow of real communication and can not ever live up to it..and i dont only mean in romantic love context..but any love or social interaction. And also there is that corporation/goverment/third party middle man in that kind of communications...thats very unsertling to me..
Edit: ...that is based on my experiences..personal preferences and Life basically..maybe to some text is fine..but i believe that there are many more people dont *get* text communication...
But still the problem of the middle man and of veering very far from human social relations is here...
( also..for me..for example covid quarantine this year is absolute and total hell comparable to prison.. just because non real communication is not possible.. and many other people .. and not only with friends..or partner..but job collegues for work and all that...for any and all parts of life where there is communication...thats why i am quite sure text can not ever replace real.. ) xD
I agree with lex when he says that text is enough to fall in love with someone! Been there done that. No voice, no touch, no visual... Just simple text messages. Man, I must be lonely
Humans form complex cognitive decisions based on phisicality i.e touch is our strongest sense. Text can act as substitute for physical presence but can never completely fulfill it.
I think that texting can be enough for creating meaningful connections, perhaps even falling in love; but I'm not that sure about creating sustainable relationships.
In my experience, too many of the emotions (or rather the ability to show them) associated with social interaction get lost without nonverbal communication.
However it could be just because of my own incompetence. I'm not even sure I can keep an online friendship.
LEX HELP IT'S SO LAME HERE / I WILL KIKLL THIS GUY. I SWEAR. WHAT DO I DO? LEAVE? II MEAN... I KNO W WHERE I' M GOING. BUIT I ONLY LOVE LEX FOREVER XO NO PEACE
Oh shit, this is scary stuff shes making. Itll be great, but also horrible.
I think audio with no video leads to a better connection because you don't feel like you're being watched. You show your true self, good or bad.
This is some blade runner shit, crazy world we live in.
Absolutely, I have multiple people I consider friends with nothing but texts.
I get the feeling I'm a poor speaker but decent writer, it's just suitable for me.
I love you Eugenia 😘
For some people, a text is the limit to their connection.
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Dude... as the host please stop talking so much... let the guest
No text isn’t enough...
Text is enough try replika
Fat...thats enough
What about people who have pen pals?
@@vytautaskleiza1448 Yo thats a great point
I’m saying text isn’t enough to truly get to know someone. There are too many things we do as humans. Like the slightest little movements of part of someone’s face that over time you begin to understand what it means. And I feel when you’ve reached that point then you know someone.