M05 camo is amazing, greetings from Finland, got pissed on when trying to sabotage enemy squad's tent, guard didnt notice me on the ground 😀 was dark night tho
@@JungleScene that was US special forces,until I think in 2010 they were looking for camo that will make it hard for infred to show and that is kryptek not sure if the made the transition but I heard that an ex-Delta said that he wore some of the kryptek stuff and said that it works well, Canadians on the other hand are still using CADPT
@@CombatArmsChannel Its important to mention, that Flecktarn is loved worldwide for its efficiency + without the help of Denmark and France, it would have never existed (its is like a modified variant of the danish camo). And the German Armed forces special forces (KSK) are currently adapting the newly designed ConCamo
@nielsen The SS didn't use Flecktarn as it didn't exist back then. They used Splittertarnmuster, Platanenmuster, Rauchtarnmuster, Palmenmuster, Eichenlaubmuster, Erbsenmuster and some more.
Finnish Defense Forces licensed the M05 pattern until 2016, after that it was released to civilian use. It's very versatile pattern, there's also snow and frost pattern of M05.
British Desert DPM is an awesome camouflage pattern. It is exceptionally good when used in the terrain it was designed for. Unlike some modern patterns, which look impressive when stood 10 feet away, but become useless at 100 feet or more, DDPM is effective at typical ranges encountered in real life. In the extensive testing of dozens of camos by the US Army after the UCP debacle, DDPM came out on top in the desert category, beating desert Marpat.
As someone who wears MTP nearer enough everyday i can agree with it. To me MTP has sort of the more natural flow to it compared to MC. But i do like that i can get away with wearing MC kit with my MTP kit, for example i prefer wearing a US Army UBACS instead of the British MTP one. But i do like that they're different patterns while also not being to dissimilar to each other.
I remember when i went to Finnish army back in early 2010 we didn't always use the M05 the older camo uniform just felt better on the skin as it was probably been in use for decades. Of course, we would wear the great-looking M05:s when we were in real military exercises or outside on vacation but if we just went for a march or down the shooting range we wore the old camo.
I'm surprised you say that, MTP in my mind is a very complex looking pattern with many colours/shades and looks more like dirty outdoors/painters clothing. Depending on individual items and fading, it can look both beautiful and ugly af IMO... It can be really effective though and I quite like it
@The Seraph it’s late so I’m not going to try and find it rn, however, a channel called Uniform History I believed mentioned it in their Rhodesian Camo Hisotry video. The Wikipedia also made mention to it. But tomorrow I’ll find the original for you.
@@T1hitsTheHighestNote There will be a "new" camouflage, it will still be the M90 pattern but the pieces will be smaller and it will have the three crowns on it here and there and it's patented already.
M90 is actually amazing camo. I’ve used in airsoft and many of my friends did Lumpen (Swedish boot camp) and it is really good. I know it’s opinion based and all but it deserves A or S
DDPM is extremely effective in real life at realistic ranges. Many modern camos "blob out" and become useless at such ranges, because the colours don't have enough contrast and the macro patterns are too small. So all those fancy details that look great at 10 feet, are lost and it just becomes one solid colour... so no disruption. You see it with many camos, both military and hunting.
Possibly useless side note: I am Swedish and did my military service as a military musician which means a few months of basic military training followed by a lot of parades and concerts. We used the M90 as the rest of the conscript army and it works really well as a 'field parade' attire. It was complemented by white details that makes you think of military police and also the red berets (because for some reason Swedish adopted red for the musicians making everyone assume we were paratroopers when on tour abroad). Anyway, that together on a marching orchestra marching down a street gave a really nice, and for a musician, badass look (the civilian cars moved out of the way at least). Since the purpose of a parade is not to be camouflaged but to look uniform and in unison it might just make your placement of the old school M90 valid though. Love the channel, keep up the awesome work!
I did some training in the hills of northwestern Virginia in a previous life. All were wearing head-to-toe flecktarn except one guy who was wearing the US woodland pattern. That one guy stood out like a sore thumb and was routinely the first one to get tagged. The flekctarn was out-freakin'-standing, although no doubt it had a lot to do with our environment.
DPM is great in deep forest with lots of dark greens, browns and shadows. I am thinking the deep forests of Scotland or Germany. In just about anything else it is too dark and simply attracts the eye.
M/05 "Nollaviisi" was indeed made by compressing or pixelating the pictures of Finnish nature. In addition there is the M/04 that's used in peacekeeping like Afghanistan and such, so the regulars don't see it often. The anniversary of Winter War's beginning was few days ago (30th of November)
@@ryaniam22 I'd take a Canadian over Yank any day of the week. They're polite, and like us truly English speaking Englishmen, you pronounce "Z" the proper way. 😂
The thing about M/90 is that it’s designed specifically for Swedish terrain; our forces have traditionally been structured for defensive warfare, so the camo is designed to blend in in our coniferous forests. And here, it works really well. Much like Rhodesian camo, it’s highly specialised for a very particular environment.
Ok. When I first looked at this when I was first getting into camo I thought, oh bogus, but now after having experienced how camo works I can say this list is spot on!
Flecktarn and the newer "Concamo" 👌 As we tried it back then, just spin in a circle, eyes closed and let go of your (example) Backpack, then try to find it, the longer it takes you to find it, the better it is! Or you let your Friend/Comrade hide it and you try to find it? btw. Brushstroke was extremely usefull for the Troopies as far as i know and its the most badass for sure!
i've found that the M90 pattern works very well here in southern Wisconsin, its very green around here in the summer. i recommend if you live in an area with lots of live brush and maple trees
Excuse me DPM doesn't work very well..... umm you may want to check that. British DPM is extremely effective ask anyone who did join training or ops with British troops before the mid 2000s The Desert isn't the best but the woodland (combat95) was/is brilliant! MTP only came about because of the green zone in Helmand as it was both Arid and Lush at the same time, meaning there was a need for a camouflage that did both.
I'm going to have to agree with you on this I've seen both the desert and woodland version used by several countries mostly in Africa due to its effectiveness
Pretty sure he was talking about the desert variation but there is a youtube video called desert dpm effectiveness and it shows it does actually work in certain environments.
@@Jebu911 DDPM is extremely effective in true desert environments. After the UCP disaster, the US Army finally did extensive testing using a wide variety of existing and several new camo patterns, and British DDPM came out on top in desert testing, even beating Desert Marpat. What looks "cool" at arms length doesn't necessarily work well at 100 feet or more in the real world.
I am a german airborne, sergeant 1st class atm, for nearly 15 years now. I think our camo works pretty well in different environments! The problem is, that, if you take our standard uniform, it´s not that well designed in form of how and where the pockets are placed. Also the material is not the best since it´s a bit too heavy! But as i said: camo wise it works very good! Greetings from Germany
I had to disagree hard with you on some of your opinions in the weapon tier list, but this time you're on point! Also just wanted to mention that I appreciate the effort you put into putting the UCP where it belongs :D I hope that feature sticks with the future tier lists! Definitely would like to see more of these, both tier lists in general, but particularly about camo as well. Maybe throw in some more obscure non-western camos such as Chinese, Russian, commercial etc? Nice work anyway :)
M05 is pretty much all you're going to see when the forest starts speaking Finnish, of course you won't be able to tell it from the forest itself so you won't actually know that.
The M05 story is correct. The pictures were taken all over Finland and even more effective is the winter variant. No other camo comes even close...(When it comes to the woodlands of Finland).
I think the reasons Rhodesian camo never caught on outside of Africa are political, but it's still in use today by the Zimbabwean Army. It also saw use in some of the small, semiautonomous nations like Transkei and Bechuanaland that are part of South Africa. When the USMC was testing existing patterns just before designing MARPAT, they judged Rhodesian, Tiger stripe, and CADPAT to be the top 3. You mentioned that the Rhodesian pattern repeated too much. I can see that in the sample you showed, but original Rhodesian fabric was more varied than the sample you were able to obtain.
Last time I checked the DOD spent like 2 billion dollars developing the UCP pattern and it’s supposed to blend into mountains and concrete which it doesn’t do a good job of in either terrain
My grandad was colourblind and could spot a 4 leaf clover in a field so quickly it was unbelievable, maybe it gives you similar upsides to you too regarding camouflage
Can confirm M05 aswell. Its godtier. We were training searching for targets and capturing them. I got the chance to be one of the hunted targets. My poor fellas had to litterally come to half a meter from me to see me on a VERY bright day. :)
The finish pattern is interesting, and not that hard to make a similar one on a computer. Basically picking the 4 most prominent average colors in the environment (in Finland) and blending them using procedural noise. The fine tuning comes when its about making the actual fabric in production.
Definitely agree with this tier list. MTP is extremely effective and works well for multi purpose. Works well for a reason the British green DPM works well but the desert isn't amazing. Would love to see a video with kryptek camo etc
Desert DPM is extremely effective in true desert environments and at realistic ranges. Unlike certain patterns, which look impressive from a few feet away, but become ineffective at 100 or 200 feet, DDPM just works. In comprehensive testing of camo after UCP became a laughing stock, the US Army found DDPM came top in desert environments, where it beat Desert Marpat. However, in more mixed terrain, with more green in it, it is less effective, hence the adoption of MTP.
m90 splinter is extreamly effective, i have personaly served in the youth forces where we got the m90 uniform and kit and i can tell you, if you look att a m90clad soldier in the woods here, you would not se them.
The more 3D the camouflage is the better it is. Using light filters one can pick some cool tones and patterns from environment and apply that to uniform in layers to make it 3D.
Please DO do a part 2! I would love to hear your take on: Woodland Tigerstripe, All terrain Tiger Stripe, Desert Tiger Stripe, ATACS cammies, Kryptek, Hyperstealth US4CES (AKA Marina, since Mexican Marines adopted it) cammies, CADPAT, Belgian Jigsaw, Chinese type 07, Japanese Jieitai, Navy NWU and US 3 tone desert cammies! BTW, UCP isn't QUITE as useless as you might think; it actually makes terrific arctic camouflage, and probably good in gray urban areas, for whatever it's worth. IT managed to get through the US Army (without testing or research!) for two really sad reasons: 1) Payola. Sadly, people are often bribed, because these contracts rake in A LOT of money. This was a 5 billion dollar waste of tax money on an awful design. And 2) FASHION. I shit you not. Army top brass actually was thinking about altering the Scorpion pattern slightly to take care of an issue it had, but then when they saw the MARPAT woodland design, they nearly shat themselves and got massively insecure with penis envy. So to compete with the USMC's cool new pattern, they threw out all the old ideas (included Crye Precision's winning idea of a Scorpion pattern) and created this grey, tan and sage green fail-fest that sucked in EVERY (except grey urban, grey rocky and unbeknownst to the Army, arctic) environments, and ironically called it the Universal Camo Pattern, implying it was universally useful when it was almost ENTIRELY universally shitty. Ironically, after getting lots of complaints from soldiers and finding there was NO RESEARCH DONE before it was approved, they ended up temporarily utilizing Multicam for use in Afghanistan until they replaced it with OCP, both being based on the Scorpion pattern and both being cool looking and trendy as hell! If the Army wasn't corrupt and wasn't trying to compete with USMC for cool points, they would have HAD the versatile, multi-terrain, Useful-in-Afghanistan, trendy, cool looking pattern they wanted. Instead, they ended up with something that failed as a camouflaged in almost every scenario, wasn't aesthetically good looking, even just as a fashion choice, looked stupid for both reasons, was hated by soldiers, lowered moral, made the USMC look EVEN BETTER in comparison and highlighted the corruption and incompetence of the Army's top brass, humiliating the Army thoroughly for years to come. Meanwhile, the Scorpion pattern gained traction as Multicam and became used by EVERYBODY and the Army adopted OCP as their version of it, late to the party they could have started. Irony like a motherfucker. Also, in regards to MARPAT, this stuff is (when you don't take infrared into account) INSANELY good, according to studies. The Woodland MARPAT held up PHENOMINALLY in Woodland and Jungle conditions, but also worked surprisingly well in both rocky mountain and even rocky desert conditions, when paired with coyote brown gear! The Desert version works well in all arid environments (Especially sandy desert, natch) but it ALSO works INSANELY well in Urban conditions, surprisingly, and I suspect that with it's light coloring, it'd probably hold up well in arctic. If so, the two could cover (between the two) pretty much EVERY CONCEIVABLE ENVIRONMENT! And they look cool! The desert cammies are some of the best desert cammies I've seen, in terms of balancing camouflage effectiveness with style, and the Woodland pattern is one of the coolest and most badass patterns out there! Almost as cool and badass (and maybe even arguably as much or more so) as Woodland tiger stripe! And far more versatile! the USMC wanted something mean, iconic, easily identifiable and intimidating that could conceal them well and at the same time, under the right circumstances, make them stick out in a scary way. They NAILED IT! This means they ALSO serve the same function that black, midnight blue and dark grey patterns serve when cops wear them: intimidation. The Woodland MARPAT is almost as iconic, I would argue, as M81 woodland too! Their is only 1 drawback, and it is sadly a serious one: Infrared. They light up like a Christmas tree under certain infrared conditions that are becoming increasingly available to the enemies we are fighting abroad. If we go up against a near peer enemy, that is going to be a MAJOUR problem, cause they WILL have access to infrared technology that will render MARPAT useless at night. I hope they don't have to change the color scheme to fix that. If the USMC could find a way to fix that issue, but keep everything else about the uniforms the same, these will be S tier cammies beyond a shadow of a doubt, in my opinion. Anyway thank you for sharing your honest feedback and experience as both a Marine and a soldier! And Thank you for your service :)
M90 is best camo ever. Idk what you talking about. It's really bright, and I blends really well. There is also a northern variant that is much darker, almost olive
The army didn’t start OIF with UCP. It didn’t start showing up until 2005. In fact the Marine Corps didn’t have enough desert digital for its Marines so half or more wore the desert camo that replaced chocolate chip just like the army was wearing. I like the chocolate chip because it was the pattern I saw on TV when I was 8, and was even a part of a friends Halloween costume the following year. Then the heritage was that every 1st sergeants ever had in the Corps had served in desert storm, and most of them had 1st sergeants they had when they were on their 1st enlistment were Vietnam vets; so it feels like a legacy thing.
Denison "brushstroke" is cool, and is the granddaddy of Rhodesian brushstroke, DPM and MTP designs which retain that weird squiggly brush-like patterns.
desert DPM works serprisingly well in forests an d grassy areas as well as deserts. If you loom at people standing in fields wearing full desert DPM they actually blend in quite well
Swedish M90 works awesome in the Scandinavian terrain what it was definetely developed for. Splinter Camo was used by West German Border Guards until the 90s.
The only use for UCPs is to wear them if you're working outdoors and know you'll get dirty or out hunting or hiking. Pockets are useful and the material is durable.
Thank goodness UCP was replaced with OCP Multicam. UCP camouflage felt like a last ditch effort for the us army uniform. Although multicam does have other varieties like MC Arid, MC Tropic, MC Black & MC Alpine.
M81 was standard issue in 1981, while it was inspired by the Vietnam era brown Dominate ERDL. Also the Multicam patter was used by the US army in late 2009
Your pronounciation of the Flecktarn camouflage (btw. German Armed Forces = Bundeswehr (Army), Marine (Naval) and Luftwaffe (Air Force)) was very good. It is a nice camo which works well and I am completely ok with 'A'-tier.
I think MARPAT woodland should be in S tier. When I was in bootcamp and we were practicing sighting in, there was a kid directly in front of my reticle when we were in a circle practice squeezing the trigger with a barrel in the center of the circle we made that we were aiming at, all weapons had no rounds and there was no ammo around. I didn’t even know he was there until I saw his hand moving when we went to rack the charging handle. That’s was the moment when I understood why the marine corps uses that camp
as a swede, I agree that the M/90 pattern isnt suited for most enviroments, but in swedish pine forests/spruce forests, those bright greens makes alot of sense. its almost scary how you dissapear visually when standing still wearing that in pine forests with bright green blueberry bushes covering most of the forest floor.
I was in the US Army when M81 was the pattern, and it worked very well in woods and jungle. I was also stationed in Germany for two years and saw, first hand, how effective the German woodland flectarn was-- to the point my buddies and I thought it might just be slightly more effective than M81 In addition, I have family who were in the Marine Corp and believe the MARPAT (woodland) is at least as effective as M81, and the desert camo seems to work well. My brother wore it as one of the first Marines in a very hotly contested Ramadi '03, and he came back alive-- so there's that... 😏 Btw-- 💯 on UCP being shyt! That was my wife's issued pattern when she was in, and says that quite often Lol
So about the M81, your partially correct about it coming around during Vietnam, in Vietnam specifically like very late war, I believe 1969, the USMC got a camo called ERDL, it’s basically M81’s dad, the ERDL just has a few colors that are different than M81 and after the success of ERDL the military started to mess around with different colors and developed M81 after Vietnam
The British DPM Woodland looks similar to the US M81, probably because they are both from the same era and really designed to work in Europe in case of war with Russia.
Would be great to see a part 2 to this with some of the more rare or specialist camo’s and I agree UCP is not so universally friendly to put it nicely 😂
As far as UCP goes it’s a terrible camo, but I have a suspicion that was intentional. Sadom and later the Iranian revolutionary guard that came to country to train insurgents had a butt load of our desert camo, so UCP became a great way to identify friend from foe, and possibly no one would wants to be caught dead in it without having been ordered to wear it lol.
The Splinter pattern is Splittermuster and it was made in the late 1920s, and its on the less effective end of german camo. Look up the W-SS/HG Div. Patterns, those are pretty effective and each garment made with them is 2 sided.
M05 camo is amazing, greetings from Finland, got pissed on when trying to sabotage enemy squad's tent, guard didnt notice me on the ground 😀 was dark night tho
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plot twist, he did notice you
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@@sharkunit Jännä tornari tapahtu itselle mutta olin uhri, vittu että vituttaa.
CADPAT is the Canadian Camo and works very well in woodlands and MARPAT was based off of it.
@Chris George lol
I thought special forces was planning to move to milticam of some kind.
@@JungleScene that was US special forces,until I think in 2010 they were looking for camo that will make it hard for infred to show and that is kryptek not sure if the made the transition but I heard that an ex-Delta said that he wore some of the kryptek stuff and said that it works well, Canadians on the other hand are still using CADPT
@@JungleScene only the jtf2 use multicam
CSOR, Canadian Special Operations Regiment uses MultiCam as well.
I'm chilling on my bunk wearing M05 just waiting for it to come up
If Flecktarn isn't in the top tier, I'm starting a mostly peaceful protest!
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Fleecktarn is one of the best camo ever made
@@CombatArmsChannel Its important to mention, that Flecktarn is loved worldwide for its efficiency + without the help of Denmark and France, it would have never existed (its is like a modified variant of the danish camo). And the German Armed forces special forces (KSK) are currently adapting the newly designed ConCamo
@@juststeve8251 bro germany had this camo style since the ss used it in ww2 befor denmark and france
@nielsen The SS didn't use Flecktarn as it didn't exist back then. They used Splittertarnmuster, Platanenmuster, Rauchtarnmuster, Palmenmuster, Eichenlaubmuster, Erbsenmuster and some more.
Finnish Defense Forces licensed the M05 pattern until 2016, after that it was released to civilian use. It's very versatile pattern, there's also snow and frost pattern of M05.
and desert version. Russians copied that before license ended
@@sumosami Desert version is M04
@@sumosami it’s m04
the brit mtp is a cross between dpm and Crye's "Multicam" pattern
Rhodesian Brushstroke, Desert Tiger Stripe, Multicam Arid. Top 3 for style
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Toria etsimässä.
I agree, the british desert DPM looks hideous, but the upside is that surplus gear with that pattern is really cheap :)
British Desert DPM is an awesome camouflage pattern. It is exceptionally good when used in the terrain it was designed for. Unlike some modern patterns, which look impressive when stood 10 feet away, but become useless at 100 feet or more, DDPM is effective at typical ranges encountered in real life. In the extensive testing of dozens of camos by the US Army after the UCP debacle, DDPM came out on top in the desert category, beating desert Marpat.
Finnish M05 is amazing, and how it was made is even more amazing ;)
As someone who wears MTP nearer enough everyday i can agree with it. To me MTP has sort of the more natural flow to it compared to MC. But i do like that i can get away with wearing MC kit with my MTP kit, for example i prefer wearing a US Army UBACS instead of the British MTP one. But i do like that they're different patterns while also not being to dissimilar to each other.
I remember when i went to Finnish army back in early 2010 we didn't always use the M05 the older camo uniform just felt better on the skin as it was probably been in use for decades. Of course, we would wear the great-looking M05:s when we were in real military exercises or outside on vacation but if we just went for a march or down the shooting range we wore the old camo.
MTP is honestly amazing, looks great, very clean looking, simple and yet very effective, whether you're in grass, woodlands, or elsewhere
It’s probably is my favourite camo pattern to be honest
I'm surprised you say that, MTP in my mind is a very complex looking pattern with many colours/shades and looks more like dirty outdoors/painters clothing. Depending on individual items and fading, it can look both beautiful and ugly af IMO... It can be really effective though and I quite like it
The USMC called Rhodesian Brushstroke as one of the top 3 best camos, right next to Cadpat, which would be the inspiration for Marpat and UCP
@The Seraph during camouflage trials by the USMC to replace M81 Woodland.
@The Seraph it’s late so I’m not going to try and find it rn, however, a channel called Uniform History I believed mentioned it in their Rhodesian Camo Hisotry video. The Wikipedia also made mention to it. But tomorrow I’ll find the original for you.
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Haha! Screw you Sweden!!!
Pretty solid A/B tier. greetins from finland!
Will you be updated now soon due to the development process of the new uniform system? Will you become pattern protected?
@@T1hitsTheHighestNote There will be a "new" camouflage, it will still be the M90 pattern but the pieces will be smaller and it will have the three crowns on it here and there and it's patented already.
The first digital camo was CADPAT in 1997 which later influenced MARPAT, the UCP, and others
M90 is actually amazing camo. I’ve used in airsoft and many of my friends did Lumpen (Swedish boot camp) and it is really good. I know it’s opinion based and all but it deserves A or S
@Heinrich Himmler Fr, det var inte najs det.
Its not amazing, but def can get the job done, maybe it looks a little odd
I kind of like the desert DPM especially on the old SAS troopers in iraq
I almost exclusively were the shorts realy cheap about £8 a pop on the ebay
Quality In sand etc, and the std Dpm is classic!.
@@thelastpendragon4758 I agree
DDPM is extremely effective in real life at realistic ranges. Many modern camos "blob out" and become useless at such ranges, because the colours don't have enough contrast and the macro patterns are too small. So all those fancy details that look great at 10 feet, are lost and it just becomes one solid colour... so no disruption. You see it with many camos, both military and hunting.
Possibly useless side note: I am Swedish and did my military service as a military musician which means a few months of basic military training followed by a lot of parades and concerts. We used the M90 as the rest of the conscript army and it works really well as a 'field parade' attire. It was complemented by white details that makes you think of military police and also the red berets (because for some reason Swedish adopted red for the musicians making everyone assume we were paratroopers when on tour abroad).
Anyway, that together on a marching orchestra marching down a street gave a really nice, and for a musician, badass look (the civilian cars moved out of the way at least).
Since the purpose of a parade is not to be camouflaged but to look uniform and in unison it might just make your placement of the old school M90 valid though.
Love the channel, keep up the awesome work!
I did some training in the hills of northwestern Virginia in a previous life. All were wearing head-to-toe flecktarn except one guy who was wearing the US woodland pattern. That one guy stood out like a sore thumb and was routinely the first one to get tagged. The flekctarn was out-freakin'-standing, although no doubt it had a lot to do with our environment.
I,m an adult instructors in the ACF (Army Cadet Force ) (in the UK)fire time I saw MTP I was amazed at how effective it was compared to the DPM .
DPM is great in deep forest with lots of dark greens, browns and shadows. I am thinking the deep forests of Scotland or Germany. In just about anything else it is too dark and simply attracts the eye.
DPM Desert works well when the snow is going and the browns are coming through.
M/05 "Nollaviisi" was indeed made by compressing or pixelating the pictures of Finnish nature. In addition there is the M/04 that's used in peacekeeping like Afghanistan and such, so the regulars don't see it often.
The anniversary of Winter War's beginning was few days ago (30th of November)
Lets get the specialised camo tier list! Especially since you didn't have CADPAT on your list
CADPAT was the first digital camouflage
I'm not in the Army but I use these camos for my Airsoft Guns
Woodland is my Fav
The Swedish M90 is really optimised for the very lush Swedish terrain. It might not work everywhere but in typical Swedish woodlands it’s exceptional.
All the CADPAT inspired camos made it but not CADPAT itself lol
That's because Canada is lame even when we are the best at certain things
@@ryaniam22 what a weirdly self-loathing take
@@ryaniam22 I'd take a Canadian over Yank any day of the week. They're polite, and like us truly English speaking Englishmen, you pronounce "Z" the proper way. 😂
The thing about M/90 is that it’s designed specifically for Swedish terrain; our forces have traditionally been structured for defensive warfare, so the camo is designed to blend in in our coniferous forests. And here, it works really well. Much like Rhodesian camo, it’s highly specialised for a very particular environment.
M/90 works quite well in jungle as well, for example on UN peacekeeping missions.
Chocolate Chip? Mine were referred to as "Diarrhea Pyjamas"
have used swedish m90 an several other patterns in sweden and the m90 is amazing. blends in perfektly and hides the werers movement.
Ok. When I first looked at this when I was first getting into camo I thought, oh bogus, but now after having experienced how camo works I can say this list is spot on!
Flecktarn and the newer "Concamo" 👌
As we tried it back then, just spin in a circle, eyes closed and let go of your (example) Backpack, then try to find it, the longer it takes you to find it, the better it is!
Or you let your Friend/Comrade hide it and you try to find it?
btw. Brushstroke was extremely usefull for the Troopies as far as i know and its the most badass for sure!
i've found that the M90 pattern works very well here in southern Wisconsin, its very green around here in the summer. i recommend if you live in an area with lots of live brush and maple trees
Excuse me DPM doesn't work very well..... umm you may want to check that. British DPM is extremely effective ask anyone who did join training or ops with British troops before the mid 2000s
The Desert isn't the best but the woodland (combat95) was/is brilliant!
MTP only came about because of the green zone in Helmand as it was both Arid and Lush at the same time, meaning there was a need for a camouflage that did both.
I'm going to have to agree with you on this I've seen both the desert and woodland version used by several countries mostly in Africa due to its effectiveness
Pretty sure he was talking about the desert variation but there is a youtube video called desert dpm effectiveness and it shows it does actually work in certain environments.
@@Jebu911 DDPM is extremely effective in true desert environments. After the UCP disaster, the US Army finally did extensive testing using a wide variety of existing and several new camo patterns, and British DDPM came out on top in desert testing, even beating Desert Marpat. What looks "cool" at arms length doesn't necessarily work well at 100 feet or more in the real world.
I am a german airborne, sergeant 1st class atm, for nearly 15 years now. I think our camo works pretty well in different environments! The problem is, that, if you take our standard uniform, it´s not that well designed in form of how and where the pockets are placed. Also the material is not the best since it´s a bit too heavy! But as i said: camo wise it works very good!
Greetings from Germany
German gear being bit heavy I'm shocked. I joke but all surplus seen out Germany is solid but heavy.
We need a list of military knives like this
Mora 2000 FTW !
AdurianJ The Fairbairn-Sykes fighting knife FTW
KM 2000 BW! Really like it.
Good idea!
Child size dolls attached to my shins and a gilly suit top..... "don't shot those kids under that small tree"
Good old ACU pattern was simultaneously the worst pattern and one of the most expensive costing in the billions to develop
I had to disagree hard with you on some of your opinions in the weapon tier list, but this time you're on point! Also just wanted to mention that I appreciate the effort you put into putting the UCP where it belongs :D I hope that feature sticks with the future tier lists! Definitely would like to see more of these, both tier lists in general, but particularly about camo as well. Maybe throw in some more obscure non-western camos such as Chinese, Russian, commercial etc? Nice work anyway :)
Haha cheers. Glad you liked it
M05 is pretty much all you're going to see when the forest starts speaking Finnish, of course you won't be able to tell it from the forest itself so you won't actually know that.
I'm so glad you said about MTP. 100% correct.
Camouflage is the most exciting thing to do, staying hidden and quiet is most awesome
By the way you with those glasses are way too funny 😂
The M05 story is correct. The pictures were taken all over Finland and even more effective is the winter variant. No other camo comes even close...(When it comes to the woodlands of Finland).
I think the reasons Rhodesian camo never caught on outside of Africa are political, but it's still in use today by the Zimbabwean Army. It also saw use in some of the small, semiautonomous nations like Transkei and Bechuanaland that are part of South Africa. When the USMC was testing existing patterns just before designing MARPAT, they judged Rhodesian, Tiger stripe, and CADPAT to be the top 3. You mentioned that the Rhodesian pattern repeated too much. I can see that in the sample you showed, but original Rhodesian fabric was more varied than the sample you were able to obtain.
sad that emr was left out of this one
Edit: i realized he made a part 2
Edit 2: i realized emr wasnt in part 2 either
Or atacs
When you put God's plaid (M81) at S tier, I knew you were a smart man! Love my uniform!! RLTW!!
Last time I checked the DOD spent like 2 billion dollars developing the UCP pattern and it’s supposed to blend into mountains and concrete which it doesn’t do a good job of in either terrain
He really put Flecktarn under Woodland...
This is gonna ruffle some feathers with the Germans.
My grandad was colourblind and could spot a 4 leaf clover in a field so quickly it was unbelievable, maybe it gives you similar upsides to you too regarding camouflage
Can confirm M05 aswell. Its godtier. We were training searching for targets and capturing them. I got the chance to be one of the hunted targets. My poor fellas had to litterally come to half a meter from me to see me on a VERY bright day. :)
Can confirm flecktarn is very very good in the germans woods. Cant think about a better one.
If you do a second Camo Ranking vid I humbly request you rank the Australian DPCU aka Jellybean camo.
Rhodesian brushstroke outperforms most those camos. It was a top performer in the military testing to replace m81 woodland.
As a non military guy, multicam strikes me as a good rubble/trench camo…. Multi-terrain indeed seem better, now that you mention it
The finish pattern is interesting, and not that hard to make a similar one on a computer. Basically picking the 4 most prominent average colors in the environment (in Finland) and blending them using procedural noise. The fine tuning comes when its about making the actual fabric in production.
Definitely agree with this tier list. MTP is extremely effective and works well for multi purpose. Works well for a reason the British green DPM works well but the desert isn't amazing. Would love to see a video with kryptek camo etc
Desert DPM is extremely effective in true desert environments and at realistic ranges. Unlike certain patterns, which look impressive from a few feet away, but become ineffective at 100 or 200 feet, DDPM just works. In comprehensive testing of camo after UCP became a laughing stock, the US Army found DDPM came top in desert environments, where it beat Desert Marpat. However, in more mixed terrain, with more green in it, it is less effective, hence the adoption of MTP.
Ohh dude, I love the desert DPM. What I had during op herrick when I was in, I even managed to pick up a desert DPM Goretex jaclet for cheap recently
m90 splinter is extreamly effective, i have personaly served in the youth forces where we got the m90 uniform and kit and i can tell you, if you look att a m90clad soldier in the woods here, you would not se them.
appreciate the honesty. no need to bs, to please the viewers
M05 earned you a like!
The more 3D the camouflage is the better it is. Using light filters one can pick some cool tones and patterns from environment and apply that to uniform in layers to make it 3D.
we need a part 2 with Tigerstripe and other camo.
The colour blind see camouflage easier in it's element makes sense.
My dad has both the woodland pattern and the universal camouflage pattern uniforms when he was in the Army.
The Best Thing about the flecktarn is, that the older it gets, the better it camouflages
If i remember correctly, When the M05 pattern license ended. Russian special forces copied it because its effectiveness was outstanding in the test.
One of my personal favs is the austrian pea dot camo.
Please DO do a part 2! I would love to hear your take on: Woodland Tigerstripe, All terrain Tiger Stripe, Desert Tiger Stripe, ATACS cammies, Kryptek, Hyperstealth US4CES (AKA Marina, since Mexican Marines adopted it) cammies, CADPAT, Belgian Jigsaw, Chinese type 07, Japanese Jieitai, Navy NWU and US 3 tone desert cammies!
BTW, UCP isn't QUITE as useless as you might think; it actually makes terrific arctic camouflage, and probably good in gray urban areas, for whatever it's worth. IT managed to get through the US Army (without testing or research!) for two really sad reasons: 1) Payola. Sadly, people are often bribed, because these contracts rake in A LOT of money. This was a 5 billion dollar waste of tax money on an awful design. And 2) FASHION. I shit you not. Army top brass actually was thinking about altering the Scorpion pattern slightly to take care of an issue it had, but then when they saw the MARPAT woodland design, they nearly shat themselves and got massively insecure with penis envy. So to compete with the USMC's cool new pattern, they threw out all the old ideas (included Crye Precision's winning idea of a Scorpion pattern) and created this grey, tan and sage green fail-fest that sucked in EVERY (except grey urban, grey rocky and unbeknownst to the Army, arctic) environments, and ironically called it the Universal Camo Pattern, implying it was universally useful when it was almost ENTIRELY universally shitty. Ironically, after getting lots of complaints from soldiers and finding there was NO RESEARCH DONE before it was approved, they ended up temporarily utilizing Multicam for use in Afghanistan until they replaced it with OCP, both being based on the Scorpion pattern and both being cool looking and trendy as hell! If the Army wasn't corrupt and wasn't trying to compete with USMC for cool points, they would have HAD the versatile, multi-terrain, Useful-in-Afghanistan, trendy, cool looking pattern they wanted. Instead, they ended up with something that failed as a camouflaged in almost every scenario, wasn't aesthetically good looking, even just as a fashion choice, looked stupid for both reasons, was hated by soldiers, lowered moral, made the USMC look EVEN BETTER in comparison and highlighted the corruption and incompetence of the Army's top brass, humiliating the Army thoroughly for years to come. Meanwhile, the Scorpion pattern gained traction as Multicam and became used by EVERYBODY and the Army adopted OCP as their version of it, late to the party they could have started. Irony like a motherfucker.
Also, in regards to MARPAT, this stuff is (when you don't take infrared into account) INSANELY good, according to studies. The Woodland MARPAT held up PHENOMINALLY in Woodland and Jungle conditions, but also worked surprisingly well in both rocky mountain and even rocky desert conditions, when paired with coyote brown gear! The Desert version works well in all arid environments (Especially sandy desert, natch) but it ALSO works INSANELY well in Urban conditions, surprisingly, and I suspect that with it's light coloring, it'd probably hold up well in arctic. If so, the two could cover (between the two) pretty much EVERY CONCEIVABLE ENVIRONMENT! And they look cool! The desert cammies are some of the best desert cammies I've seen, in terms of balancing camouflage effectiveness with style, and the Woodland pattern is one of the coolest and most badass patterns out there! Almost as cool and badass (and maybe even arguably as much or more so) as Woodland tiger stripe! And far more versatile! the USMC wanted something mean, iconic, easily identifiable and intimidating that could conceal them well and at the same time, under the right circumstances, make them stick out in a scary way. They NAILED IT! This means they ALSO serve the same function that black, midnight blue and dark grey patterns serve when cops wear them: intimidation. The Woodland MARPAT is almost as iconic, I would argue, as M81 woodland too! Their is only 1 drawback, and it is sadly a serious one: Infrared. They light up like a Christmas tree under certain infrared conditions that are becoming increasingly available to the enemies we are fighting abroad. If we go up against a near peer enemy, that is going to be a MAJOUR problem, cause they WILL have access to infrared technology that will render MARPAT useless at night. I hope they don't have to change the color scheme to fix that. If the USMC could find a way to fix that issue, but keep everything else about the uniforms the same, these will be S tier cammies beyond a shadow of a doubt, in my opinion.
Anyway thank you for sharing your honest feedback and experience as both a Marine and a soldier! And Thank you for your service :)
When I started airsoft I used wear tiger stripe it surprised me how good it was to conceal me. Now I wear ghillie suit.
Swedish M90 is amazing! Have M90 (and or white top) top with white pants for winter in the forest. Autumn and spring M90 top MTP pants.
All of them beat the hell out of the old "pickle suit"...
Vietnam era? Tiger Stripe! It came in 2 types. A lighter version then the M67 dark version. Also a short lived "Nam leaf" which led to Woodland.
M90 is best camo ever. Idk what you talking about. It's really bright, and I blends really well. There is also a northern variant that is much darker, almost olive
Back in Desert Storm, we had both, the Chocolate chip and the 3 color desert uniforms.
Sir, what would you rank CADPAT?
The army didn’t start OIF with UCP. It didn’t start showing up until 2005. In fact the Marine Corps didn’t have enough desert digital for its Marines so half or more wore the desert camo that replaced chocolate chip just like the army was wearing. I like the chocolate chip because it was the pattern I saw on TV when I was 8, and was even a part of a friends Halloween costume the following year. Then the heritage was that every 1st sergeants ever had in the Corps had served in desert storm, and most of them had 1st sergeants they had when they were on their 1st enlistment were Vietnam vets; so it feels like a legacy thing.
Denison "brushstroke" is cool, and is the granddaddy of Rhodesian brushstroke, DPM and MTP designs which retain that weird squiggly brush-like patterns.
The Original 1960's- 70's British DPM was Awesome Seem as though they have gone through like 5 MK's of it
Would be nice if you also had pictures for the others camouflage, still great vid
Yea please do another one of these, this is really fun and interesting to watch
Do a part 2 with more camos!
desert DPM works serprisingly well in forests an d grassy areas as well as deserts. If you loom at people standing in fields wearing full desert DPM they actually blend in quite well
Swedish M90 works awesome in the Scandinavian terrain what it was definetely developed for.
Splinter Camo was used by West German Border Guards until the 90s.
The only use for UCPs is to wear them if you're working outdoors and know you'll get dirty or out hunting or hiking. Pockets are useful and the material is durable.
Thank goodness UCP was replaced with OCP Multicam. UCP camouflage felt like a last ditch effort for the us army uniform. Although multicam does have other varieties like MC Arid, MC Tropic, MC Black & MC Alpine.
Flektarn and M81 woodland are my favorites, just so iconic to pass up on :)
M81 was standard issue in 1981, while it was inspired by the Vietnam era brown Dominate ERDL.
Also the Multicam patter was used by the US army in late 2009
Your pronounciation of the Flecktarn camouflage (btw. German Armed Forces = Bundeswehr (Army), Marine (Naval) and Luftwaffe (Air Force)) was very good. It is a nice camo which works well and I am completely ok with 'A'-tier.
Pretty sure m81 was from 1981
I think MARPAT woodland should be in S tier. When I was in bootcamp and we were practicing sighting in, there was a kid directly in front of my reticle when we were in a circle practice squeezing the trigger with a barrel in the center of the circle we made that we were aiming at, all weapons had no rounds and there was no ammo around. I didn’t even know he was there until I saw his hand moving when we went to rack the charging handle. That’s was the moment when I understood why the marine corps uses that camp
as a swede, I agree that the M/90 pattern isnt suited for most enviroments, but in swedish pine forests/spruce forests, those bright greens makes alot of sense. its almost scary how you dissapear visually when standing still wearing that in pine forests with bright green blueberry bushes covering most of the forest floor.
I was in the US Army when M81 was the pattern, and it worked very well in woods and jungle. I was also stationed in Germany for two years and saw, first hand, how effective the German woodland flectarn was-- to the point my buddies and I thought it might just be slightly more effective than M81
In addition, I have family who were in the Marine Corp and believe the MARPAT (woodland) is at least as effective as M81, and the desert camo seems to work well. My brother wore it as one of the first Marines in a very hotly contested Ramadi '03, and he came back alive-- so there's that... 😏
Btw-- 💯 on UCP being shyt! That was my wife's issued pattern when she was in, and says that quite often Lol
So about the M81, your partially correct about it coming around during Vietnam, in Vietnam specifically like very late war, I believe 1969, the USMC got a camo called ERDL, it’s basically M81’s dad, the ERDL just has a few colors that are different than M81 and after the success of ERDL the military started to mess around with different colors and developed M81 after Vietnam
Do "95 woodland dpm" please, my favorite camouflage pattern,I have family members who used woodland dpm in the Falklands war
The British DPM Woodland looks similar to the US M81, probably because they are both from the same era and really designed to work in Europe in case of war with Russia.
Would be great to see a part 2 to this with some of the more rare or specialist camo’s and I agree UCP is not so universally friendly to put it nicely 😂
Imagine if everyone wore a ghillie
As far as UCP goes it’s a terrible camo, but I have a suspicion that was intentional. Sadom and later the Iranian revolutionary guard that came to country to train insurgents had a butt load of our desert camo, so UCP became a great way to identify friend from foe, and possibly no one would wants to be caught dead in it without having been ordered to wear it lol.
The Splinter pattern is Splittermuster and it was made in the late 1920s, and its on the less effective end of german camo.
Look up the W-SS/HG Div. Patterns, those are pretty effective and each garment made with them is 2 sided.