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M05 camo is amazing, greetings from Finland, got pissed on when trying to sabotage enemy squad's tent, guard didnt notice me on the ground 😀 was dark night tho
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plot twist, he did notice you
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En oo kuullukkaa tätä tornaria ennen.
@@sharkunit Jännä tornari tapahtu itselle mutta olin uhri, vittu että vituttaa.
If Flecktarn isn't in the top tier, I'm starting a mostly peaceful protest!
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Fleecktarn is one of the best camo ever made
@@CombatArmsChannel Its important to mention, that Flecktarn is loved worldwide for its efficiency + without the help of Denmark and France, it would have never existed (its is like a modified variant of the danish camo). And the German Armed forces special forces (KSK) are currently adapting the newly designed ConCamo
@@juststeve8251 bro germany had this camo style since the ss used it in ww2 befor denmark and france
@nielsen The SS didn't use Flecktarn as it didn't exist back then. They used Splittertarnmuster, Platanenmuster, Rauchtarnmuster, Palmenmuster, Eichenlaubmuster, Erbsenmuster and some more.
CADPAT is the Canadian Camo and works very well in woodlands and MARPAT was based off of it.
@Chris George lol
I thought special forces was planning to move to milticam of some kind.
@@JungleScene that was US special forces,until I think in 2010 they were looking for camo that will make it hard for infred to show and that is kryptek not sure if the made the transition but I heard that an ex-Delta said that he wore some of the kryptek stuff and said that it works well, Canadians on the other hand are still using CADPT
@@JungleScene only the jtf2 use multicam
CSOR, Canadian Special Operations Regiment uses MultiCam as well.
I'm chilling on my bunk wearing M05 just waiting for it to come up
Finnish Defense Forces licensed the M05 pattern until 2016, after that it was released to civilian use. It's very versatile pattern, there's also snow and frost pattern of M05.
and desert version. Russians copied that before license ended
@@sumosami Desert version is M04
@@sumosami it’s m04
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Haha! Screw you Sweden!!!
Pretty solid A/B tier. greetins from finland!
Will you be updated now soon due to the development process of the new uniform system? Will you become pattern protected?
@@T1hitsTheHighestNote There will be a "new" camouflage, it will still be the M90 pattern but the pieces will be smaller and it will have the three crowns on it here and there and it's patented already.
I agree, the british desert DPM looks hideous, but the upside is that surplus gear with that pattern is really cheap :)
The USMC called Rhodesian Brushstroke as one of the top 3 best camos, right next to Cadpat, which would be the inspiration for Marpat and UCP
@The Seraph during camouflage trials by the USMC to replace M81 Woodland.
@The Seraph it’s late so I’m not going to try and find it rn, however, a channel called Uniform History I believed mentioned it in their Rhodesian Camo Hisotry video. The Wikipedia also made mention to it. But tomorrow I’ll find the original for you.
"I am color blind" *exits video* ..... to go to tori
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Toria etsimässä.
Finnish M05 is amazing, and how it was made is even more amazing ;)
the brit mtp is a cross between dpm and Crye's "Multicam" pattern
As someone who wears MTP nearer enough everyday i can agree with it. To me MTP has sort of the more natural flow to it compared to MC. But i do like that i can get away with wearing MC kit with my MTP kit, for example i prefer wearing a US Army UBACS instead of the British MTP one. But i do like that they're different patterns while also not being to dissimilar to each other.
I remember when i went to Finnish army back in early 2010 we didn't always use the M05 the older camo uniform just felt better on the skin as it was probably been in use for decades. Of course, we would wear the great-looking M05:s when we were in real military exercises or outside on vacation but if we just went for a march or down the shooting range we wore the old camo.
M90 is actually amazing camo. I’ve used in airsoft and many of my friends did Lumpen (Swedish boot camp) and it is really good. I know it’s opinion based and all but it deserves A or S
@Heinrich Himmler Fr, det var inte najs det.
Its not amazing, but def can get the job done, maybe it looks a little odd
I kind of like the desert DPM especially on the old SAS troopers in iraq
I almost exclusively were the shorts realy cheap about £8 a pop on the ebay
Quality In sand etc, and the std Dpm is classic!.
@@thelastpendragon4758 I agree
I'm so glad you said about MTP. 100% correct.
Yea please do another one of these, this is really fun and interesting to watch
MTP is honestly amazing, looks great, very clean looking, simple and yet very effective, whether you're in grass, woodlands, or elsewhere
It’s probably is my favourite camo pattern to be honest
I'm surprised you say that, MTP in my mind is a very complex looking pattern with many colours/shades and looks more like dirty outdoors/painters clothing. Depending on individual items and fading, it can look both beautiful and ugly af IMO... It can be really effective though and I quite like it
The first digital camo was CADPAT in 1997 which later influenced MARPAT, the UCP, and others
M/05 "Nollaviisi" was indeed made by compressing or pixelating the pictures of Finnish nature. In addition there is the M/04 that's used in peacekeeping like Afghanistan and such, so the regulars don't see it often.
The anniversary of Winter War's beginning was few days ago (30th of November)
Possibly useless side note: I am Swedish and did my military service as a military musician which means a few months of basic military training followed by a lot of parades and concerts. We used the M90 as the rest of the conscript army and it works really well as a 'field parade' attire. It was complemented by white details that makes you think of military police and also the red berets (because for some reason Swedish adopted red for the musicians making everyone assume we were paratroopers when on tour abroad).
Anyway, that together on a marching orchestra marching down a street gave a really nice, and for a musician, badass look (the civilian cars moved out of the way at least).
Since the purpose of a parade is not to be camouflaged but to look uniform and in unison it might just make your placement of the old school M90 valid though.
Love the channel, keep up the awesome work!
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If you do a second Camo Ranking vid I humbly request you rank the Australian DPCU aka Jellybean camo.
I,m an adult instructors in the ACF (Army Cadet Force ) (in the UK)fire time I saw MTP I was amazed at how effective it was compared to the DPM .
DPM is great in deep forest with lots of dark greens, browns and shadows. I am thinking the deep forests of Scotland or Germany. In just about anything else it is too dark and simply attracts the eye.
I had to disagree hard with you on some of your opinions in the weapon tier list, but this time you're on point! Also just wanted to mention that I appreciate the effort you put into putting the UCP where it belongs :D I hope that feature sticks with the future tier lists! Definitely would like to see more of these, both tier lists in general, but particularly about camo as well. Maybe throw in some more obscure non-western camos such as Chinese, Russian, commercial etc? Nice work anyway :)
Haha cheers. Glad you liked it
Definitely agree with this tier list. MTP is extremely effective and works well for multi purpose. Works well for a reason the British green DPM works well but the desert isn't amazing. Would love to see a video with kryptek camo etc
Always loved the Flecktarn! not necessarily for practical purposes - but it just looks awesome.
I did some training in the hills of northwestern Virginia in a previous life. All were wearing head-to-toe flecktarn except one guy who was wearing the US woodland pattern. That one guy stood out like a sore thumb and was routinely the first one to get tagged. The flekctarn was out-freakin'-standing, although no doubt it had a lot to do with our environment.
Would be great to see a part 2 to this with some of the more rare or specialist camo’s and I agree UCP is not so universally friendly to put it nicely 😂
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Would be nice if you also had pictures for the others camouflage, still great vid
i've found that the M90 pattern works very well here in southern Wisconsin, its very green around here in the summer. i recommend if you live in an area with lots of live brush and maple trees
All the CADPAT inspired camos made it but not CADPAT itself lol
That's because Canada is lame even when we are the best at certain things
@@ryaniam22 what a weirdly self-loathing take
Interesting bro
Flecktarn and the newer "Concamo" 👌
As we tried it back then, just spin in a circle, eyes closed and let go of your (example) Backpack, then try to find it, the longer it takes you to find it, the better it is!
Or you let your Friend/Comrade hide it and you try to find it?
btw. Brushstroke was extremely usefull for the Troopies as far as i know and its the most badass for sure!
Ohh dude, I love the desert DPM. What I had during op herrick when I was in, I even managed to pick up a desert DPM Goretex jaclet for cheap recently
appreciate the honesty. no need to bs, to please the viewers
Good to see MTP get so much praise 🇬🇧👊🏽👍🏽. Any thoughts on Concamo? , I've seen a few videos on here of it and it blows my mind
A tier list of military vehicles would be interesting
we need a part 2 with Tigerstripe and other camo.
Camouflage is the most exciting thing to do, staying hidden and quiet is most awesome
By the way you with those glasses are way too funny 😂
One of my personal favs is the austrian pea dot camo.
Do a part 2 with more camos!
Desert dpm at c tier broke my heart! Still always good to see some love for the mtp camo gotta be one of my favourite patterns there.
The more 3D the camouflage is the better it is. Using light filters one can pick some cool tones and patterns from environment and apply that to uniform in layers to make it 3D.
M05 earned you a like!
Denison "brushstroke" is cool, and is the granddaddy of Rhodesian brushstroke, DPM and MTP designs which retain that weird squiggly brush-like patterns.
Sir, what would you rank CADPAT?
the splinter was developed by germany sometime after ww1, and used by various parts of the army in ww2. a few armies adopted it after that and it may still be in use, im not sure.
if i remember correctly, GSG9 have used splinter on their helmets. (speaking of which you should totally do a GSG9 video!)
Ok. When I first looked at this when I was first getting into camo I thought, oh bogus, but now after having experienced how camo works I can say this list is spot on!
I just got My new m05 pants today cant wait to wear them proudly
We need a list of military knives like this
Mora 2000 FTW !
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KM 2000 BW! Really like it.
Good idea!
Rhodesian Brushstroke, Desert Tiger Stripe, Multicam Arid. Top 3 for style
desert DPM works serprisingly well in forests an d grassy areas as well as deserts. If you loom at people standing in fields wearing full desert DPM they actually blend in quite well
UKs MTP is insane seen hella sick photos of them blending in
Flektarn and M81 woodland are my favorites, just so iconic to pass up on :)
The Swedish M90 is really optimised for the very lush Swedish terrain. It might not work everywhere but in typical Swedish woodlands it’s exceptional.
have used swedish m90 an several other patterns in sweden and the m90 is amazing. blends in perfektly and hides the werers movement.
Lets get the specialised camo tier list! Especially since you didn't have CADPAT on your list
Last time I checked the DOD spent like 2 billion dollars developing the UCP pattern and it’s supposed to blend into mountains and concrete which it doesn’t do a good job of in either terrain
My grandad was colourblind and could spot a 4 leaf clover in a field so quickly it was unbelievable, maybe it gives you similar upsides to you too regarding camouflage
This was a fun video, but I'm really happy that you nuanced that mission dictates gear. There is a doctrinal mission that these camouflages are designed to fulfill within those parameters. Take them outside of those parameters, and they start to get stupid, though at no fault of their own.
A side note, I heard that after the implementation of UCP, the number of casualties from friendly fire incidents went down something like 300% because of the grey/teal blob that everyone became. It is a damn shame that it got implemented, but at least there's a silver lining in there somewhere... past all that gravel...
The finish pattern is interesting, and not that hard to make a similar one on a computer. Basically picking the 4 most prominent average colors in the environment (in Finland) and blending them using procedural noise. The fine tuning comes when its about making the actual fabric in production.
The M05 story is correct. The pictures were taken all over Finland and even more effective is the winter variant. No other camo comes even close...(When it comes to the woodlands of Finland).
I am a german airborne, sergeant 1st class atm, for nearly 15 years now. I think our camo works pretty well in different environments! The problem is, that, if you take our standard uniform, it´s not that well designed in form of how and where the pockets are placed. Also the material is not the best since it´s a bit too heavy! But as i said: camo wise it works very good!
Greetings from Germany
German gear being bit heavy I'm shocked. I joke but all surplus seen out Germany is solid but heavy.
DPM Desert works well when the snow is going and the browns are coming through.
Can confirm M05 aswell. Its godtier. We were training searching for targets and capturing them. I got the chance to be one of the hunted targets. My poor fellas had to litterally come to half a meter from me to see me on a VERY bright day. :)
How did you rated this?what was the system you use?....just personal opinion or how?
The specialist ones are often too specialist, the Swedish one probably worked great in Sweden outside of winter, just not anywhere else, and I always was a little jealous of chocolate chip. Rhodesian brushstroke was old-fashioned as well, the original goes back to 1930s Britain.
That looks like 2nd series desert DPM, it wasn't great, not that any of the desert versions were, fortunately they all went in the mid 1990s. All the other versions were better apart from the teabag material, the less said about which the better.
So about the M81, your partially correct about it coming around during Vietnam, in Vietnam specifically like very late war, I believe 1969, the USMC got a camo called ERDL, it’s basically M81’s dad, the ERDL just has a few colors that are different than M81 and after the success of ERDL the military started to mess around with different colors and developed M81 after Vietnam
Can confirm flecktarn is very very good in the germans woods. Cant think about a better one.
Fair list and more specific camo tiers would be most welcome. I would suggest that you add more categories like A+ or SS etc. seeing how stacked A is with D and E empty.
Also quite surprised about colourblindness actually helping in that regard. Always thought it made you see them more smudged together rather than more distinguished. Maybe it has to do with transitioning where a full colourvision will see a gradual slide and colourblind see a sudden change.
Yeah basically any slight variation of green could go either way as far as looking brown or peach or even red to a colorblind person
@@CombatArmsChannel Makes you think just how differently people physically experience the same world around them.
M81's roots go back a long way. The original pattern called ERDL (after the Army research lab where it was developed) dates back to 1948, but it didn't come into use until Vietnam. There was a brown-dominant pattern and a green-dominant one. After Vietnam they took the brown-dominant ERDL pattern and upscaled it by 60%, resulting in M81 Woodland, which was officially adopted in 1981. Choco chip dates back to 1962, but wasn't adopted until 1981 alongside M81.
Please DO do a part 2! I would love to hear your take on: Woodland Tigerstripe, All terrain Tiger Stripe, Desert Tiger Stripe, ATACS cammies, Kryptek, Hyperstealth US4CES (AKA Marina, since Mexican Marines adopted it) cammies, CADPAT, Belgian Jigsaw, Chinese type 07, Japanese Jieitai, Navy NWU and US 3 tone desert cammies!
BTW, UCP isn't QUITE as useless as you might think; it actually makes terrific arctic camouflage, and probably good in gray urban areas, for whatever it's worth. IT managed to get through the US Army (without testing or research!) for two really sad reasons: 1) Payola. Sadly, people are often bribed, because these contracts rake in A LOT of money. This was a 5 billion dollar waste of tax money on an awful design. And 2) FASHION. I shit you not. Army top brass actually was thinking about altering the Scorpion pattern slightly to take care of an issue it had, but then when they saw the MARPAT woodland design, they nearly shat themselves and got massively insecure with penis envy. So to compete with the USMC's cool new pattern, they threw out all the old ideas (included Crye Precision's winning idea of a Scorpion pattern) and created this grey, tan and sage green fail-fest that sucked in EVERY (except grey urban, grey rocky and unbeknownst to the Army, arctic) environments, and ironically called it the Universal Camo Pattern, implying it was universally useful when it was almost ENTIRELY universally shitty. Ironically, after getting lots of complaints from soldiers and finding there was NO RESEARCH DONE before it was approved, they ended up temporarily utilizing Multicam for use in Afghanistan until they replaced it with OCP, both being based on the Scorpion pattern and both being cool looking and trendy as hell! If the Army wasn't corrupt and wasn't trying to compete with USMC for cool points, they would have HAD the versatile, multi-terrain, Useful-in-Afghanistan, trendy, cool looking pattern they wanted. Instead, they ended up with something that failed as a camouflaged in almost every scenario, wasn't aesthetically good looking, even just as a fashion choice, looked stupid for both reasons, was hated by soldiers, lowered moral, made the USMC look EVEN BETTER in comparison and highlighted the corruption and incompetence of the Army's top brass, humiliating the Army thoroughly for years to come. Meanwhile, the Scorpion pattern gained traction as Multicam and became used by EVERYBODY and the Army adopted OCP as their version of it, late to the party they could have started. Irony like a motherfucker.
Also, in regards to MARPAT, this stuff is (when you don't take infrared into account) INSANELY good, according to studies. The Woodland MARPAT held up PHENOMINALLY in Woodland and Jungle conditions, but also worked surprisingly well in both rocky mountain and even rocky desert conditions, when paired with coyote brown gear! The Desert version works well in all arid environments (Especially sandy desert, natch) but it ALSO works INSANELY well in Urban conditions, surprisingly, and I suspect that with it's light coloring, it'd probably hold up well in arctic. If so, the two could cover (between the two) pretty much EVERY CONCEIVABLE ENVIRONMENT! And they look cool! The desert cammies are some of the best desert cammies I've seen, in terms of balancing camouflage effectiveness with style, and the Woodland pattern is one of the coolest and most badass patterns out there! Almost as cool and badass (and maybe even arguably as much or more so) as Woodland tiger stripe! And far more versatile! the USMC wanted something mean, iconic, easily identifiable and intimidating that could conceal them well and at the same time, under the right circumstances, make them stick out in a scary way. They NAILED IT! This means they ALSO serve the same function that black, midnight blue and dark grey patterns serve when cops wear them: intimidation. The Woodland MARPAT is almost as iconic, I would argue, as M81 woodland too! Their is only 1 drawback, and it is sadly a serious one: Infrared. They light up like a Christmas tree under certain infrared conditions that are becoming increasingly available to the enemies we are fighting abroad. If we go up against a near peer enemy, that is going to be a MAJOUR problem, cause they WILL have access to infrared technology that will render MARPAT useless at night. I hope they don't have to change the color scheme to fix that. If the USMC could find a way to fix that issue, but keep everything else about the uniforms the same, these will be S tier cammies beyond a shadow of a doubt, in my opinion.
Anyway thank you for sharing your honest feedback and experience as both a Marine and a soldier! And Thank you for your service :)
Excuse me DPM doesn't work very well..... umm you may want to check that. British DPM is extremely effective ask anyone who did join training or ops with British troops before the mid 2000s
The Desert isn't the best but the woodland (combat95) was/is brilliant!
MTP only came about because of the green zone in Helmand as it was both Arid and Lush at the same time, meaning there was a need for a camouflage that did both.
I'm going to have to agree with you on this I've seen both the desert and woodland version used by several countries mostly in Africa due to its effectiveness
Pretty sure he was talking about the desert variation but there is a youtube video called desert dpm effectiveness and it shows it does actually work in certain environments.
All of them beat the hell out of the old "pickle suit"...
Rhodesian brushstroke outperforms most those camos. It was a top performer in the military testing to replace m81 woodland.
In terms of outright looks, my personal favourites are M81 and Flecktarn. I'd wear either as a civilian. Of course M05 might be the best in terms of function (at least in the Finnish forests) but can't say it's quite as nice looking as those two.
I suggest checking out Polish wz.93 Pantera Leśna(Forest Panther) there is also desert version of it. Would be great for next vid.
M81 was standard issue in 1981, while it was inspired by the Vietnam era brown Dominate ERDL.
Also the Multicam patter was used by the US army in late 2009
I have about 8 pairs of desert DPM shorts realy cheap to buy like £10 including post .😁 very practical I'd say it's woodland sibling is outstanding as a camouflage though grait vid as always .👍
Does this Tier list rate who is using it or how well it works? M81 Woodland turns into a solid brown silhouette at 200 meters. The problem with lots of these patterns is that they're trying to camo someone at knife-fighting distance. French CCE is like M81, but has much larger blotches that break up the human silhouette. Also, some of the newest patterns are making an effort to combine micro-blotches with macro-blotches, like Phantomleaf WASP II Z3A. (I'm also color-blind.)
flecktarn is great camo in theory but it has big issues when applied to real situations in my experience. It works great especially on cordura stuff but once a fabeic gets wet you mighr as well be wearing brownish green mono colours. also at a distance or in shade the dotted pattern looses its effect and you become a solid brownish blot.
Thank goodness UCP was replaced with OCP Multicam. UCP camouflage felt like a last ditch effort for the us army uniform. Although multicam does have other varieties like MC Arid, MC Tropic, MC Black & MC Alpine.
CADPAT was the first digital camouflage
When you put God's plaid (M81) at S tier, I knew you were a smart man! Love my uniform!! RLTW!!
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M05 is pretty much all you're going to see when the forest starts speaking Finnish, of course you won't be able to tell it from the forest itself so you won't actually know that.
Back in Desert Storm, we had both, the Chocolate chip and the 3 color desert uniforms.
Swedish M90 is amazing! Have M90 (and or white top) top with white pants for winter in the forest. Autumn and spring M90 top MTP pants.
The colour blind see camouflage easier in it's element makes sense.
When I started airsoft I used wear tiger stripe it surprised me how good it was to conceal me. Now I wear ghillie suit.
Woodland DPM is hands down the best woodland camouflage ever made for its Indy ending purpose. The desert one really drags its reputation down though.
The only use for UCPs is to wear them if you're working outdoors and know you'll get dirty or out hunting or hiking. Pockets are useful and the material is durable.
The thing about M/90 is that it’s designed specifically for Swedish terrain; our forces have traditionally been structured for defensive warfare, so the camo is designed to blend in in our coniferous forests. And here, it works really well. Much like Rhodesian camo, it’s highly specialised for a very particular environment.
Imagine if everyone wore a ghillie
You gotta do M05 camouflage
The Original 1960's- 70's British DPM was Awesome Seem as though they have gone through like 5 MK's of it
I served in Flecktarn and love it too (see my avatar ;D), but since i saw multicam and UK MTP, i detend to remove the black dots for more brown dots, because (unless dark woods) it's to dark for most inviroments. Wüstentarn (desert Flecktarn) does its Job, but that lack of green for Europe. The new ConCamo does that better too. In nature mostly "black" are only shadows and if you are in a shadow everything goes darker so.
If i remember correctly, When the M05 pattern license ended. Russian special forces copied it because its effectiveness was outstanding in the test.