The first time I ever got the chance to hear these tapes was Howard Stern making a mockery of her for the things that she had to say. It truly disgusted me, and continues to sadden me for Judy. She is my favorite vocalist and actress. More than that, Judy was a real person. Her words hearken the heartstrings. Anyone who can mock someone in pain is a monster.
@Mernerwastaken he should have retired several years ago. He's also put out myths that he's such a great interviewer. He's the worst. Check out the Robert plant interview or Gregg Allman. Plant just gave it to him brutally " u ask a lot of stupid questions " plant had to ask him several times to play his new stiff he was promoting. Instead stern wouldn't stop talking about zeplin which was over for decades. He even surmised " Jimmy page was the one of your life right?" Plant just laughed. Then stern spent the whole 2 hrs playing back for plant every zeplin song. Like what is the point of that. He knows the songs he wrote them. It's the same thing to w/ anyone was on snl. Questions about Chris Farley. Paul McCartney has been in multiple times & it's the same exact interview everytime " did u think John Lennon was gay " " wasn't Lennon the love of your life " ( same question as I mentioned above to plant) or he just repeats back what the guest said. An example " so your saying u didn't want to tour again " he does it after every response. He also cuts the guests off repeatedly. I know other so called interviews do this but why have the person in of you won't let them talk? All hos questions are protection too. Like father hunger is one. As for mocking garland , who had more talent in her pinky then he has he loved to degrade & humiliate esp when he had those girls come in & je & his BFF Ralph would use a laser pointed to look for every single flaw. Funny since he is a very unattractive man. As is Ralph his " stylist " anyway later when talking about this bit he said " it's a about degradation " so he's a misogynist & I nearly choked when sunny in the view Said " I remember listening to you & you said the n word so many times" he lied of course said that word never came out of his mouth & ku klux Klan guy they had on for years said the n word not him ! The internet is not his friend when u can find him saying the n word all the time. In fact he asked whoopie for back up which she did saying " no Robin wouldn't let him get away w/ that " yes she did but also that's one big reason he had Robin there so he got a free pass on his bigotry & misogyny. Anyway on his channel 9 show he was in black face making fun of whoopee when she was w/ Ted Danson. In that skit Howard says the n word dozens if times. I never got how he escaped all he said when its all recorded. How many celebs got cancelled for past things they said in recent years.
@@nattyps3160because he's a Jew, and Jews are allowed to get away with everything. They're the ones who started this whole racist misogynistic homophobic phony moral hysteria in the first place just to attack and dismantle white Christian society.
I find myself really compelled by this. I can't stop listening. Just the things she's talking about and the honesty is just riveting to me. I've never heard anything quite like this.
If she loved her kids so much, why didn’t she get sober? She was a scary drunk she died of a drug overdose and she could care less about the amount of pills she was taking as a matter of fact Sid her husband or ex-husband of five cause she was married five times wasn’t she he had to hire a private detective to check around the house every day while the kids were in her care to make sure she wasn’t popping pills and drinking alcohol but she did it anyway because she had pills and booze hidden all over the house as far as the private detective. It’s all on transcripts all in black-and-white it’s all legal like because it’s true. Maybe she’ll get it right her next life around. Make she rest in peace. She could care less about the pain that she caused her children especially Liza the only thing Judy Garland taught Liza was how to act and sing and perform on stage which was, many children would die to have been taught by Judy Garland on stage. It was too late by then she was far far gone.
this is clearly the real Judy Garland. If you know anything about her you know her voice IS actually pretty deep. Im terribly sorry for the things she went through. She made showbiz but apart of me wish she was never apart of it. This woman was broken and clearly needed help. I'm so sorry no one helped you
Tash Speak Interesting. I always thought her voice was lower because her singing voice was lower. I thought it was raised when she spoke to cultivate a certain image, but maybe I’m wrong. Her tone here sounds similar to the tone she used on Jack Paar.
@@lindseysanders3656 it's definitely played too slow and too low - i think whoever digitised them either didn't realise, didn't have the facilities they needed to correct it or didn't know how. I just played this back with jack paar at the same time and this is several tones lower for sure. I did a little reading up and compact cassette recorders were brand new1963 and the recording strips were narrower and recorded slower so audio fidelity wasn't so good which would explain why all these tapes sound off. They also vary - in the autobiography tapes she made in the 50s - it starts off normal, then gradually gets lower then goes normal again. I think personal portable recording devices back then just weren't that reliable/consistent :)
Tash Speak This one is also different than the counseling session audio on UA-cam. She was younger in that though. I will say that she spoke in a different tone and vocal inflection from her normal voice for her entire career. That would be a lot to keep up with. Shows how much talent she had. I wouldn’t want to pretend I’m someone I’m not though.
@@lindseysanders3656 not sure which one you mean by the counselling session? - I don't think i've heard it - if it's the one where she talks about her suicide attempt or being dumped on a pile of cherries as a baby by her sisters that was a recording by the guy who was going to write her autobiography which never got finished :) And yeah me neither it's hard /confusing enough being one person! but I guess having a public persona helps to keep a divide between work and life...I don't know how people manage to do it quite honestly.
She was so sick of being abused by scandals lies hated the lies gossip told on about her she had a right to be mad upset she had humor through it all loved her so very much im a victim of untruths lies gossip too and abused by bullies liars she was a very kind sensitive lady like me trying to please others no more !! She was strong person
This was the product of greed during the the time of the fantasy movie factory . They pumped out and used talent for the name of the studio and its owners at interest. She , like others, were used and milked for every ounce of life they could get from her. Sadly, her mother was a jerk and she loved her Father during her uprising. The studio would not let her cancel her radio show when they knew her father was about to die and she was not afforded to go to him to see him... She was born with talent and it's a blessing that we have some good footage of that talent, but it was all at her true expense ... I wish I was around to have seen her in concert ... She is missed.
The studio and her mother treated her horribly. All they cared about was how much money she brought in. They pumped her full of drugs..both her mom and the studio when she was JUST a kid. It's horrible.
This tape had to have been done in 1965, because the "man" she's referring to is Marc Herron, the "man" she married that same year. The marriage lasted less than a year. She returned to singing (as well as ever sometimes), and even did a tour and played the Palace in 1967, from which a recording was made. It included "What Now, My Love". I saw her in Chicago in 1967 and she was outstanding. Then she married Mickey Deans in early 1969, and died in June of that year. And yes, she was a wonderful mom and her kids loved her.
Imagine if she knew that her husband (Marc Herron) would eventually be cavorting with Liza’s husband, Peter Allen. Neither mother nor daughter seemed to be able to pick good husbands for themselves.
This made me feel sad. To hear the hurt in her voice was genuine and I feel we're all to blame. We were huge fans but but when the curtain came down we just relished in her tabloid misery. I'm sorry Judy.
Early in her performing career her life was basically RUINED psychologically by her own MOTHER plus LOUIS B. MAYER of MGM. They started her on the road to several addictions.
It's not our fault to make you feel better, but it was her idiot mother and MGM to blame. Those morons. T_T We fans are there for Judy. ^^ (I hope she knows that wherever she is.)
Yes, it's definitely legit. It's her voice, and it was pretty well known that she'd recorded her narrative in preparation for a book she intended to write.
This reminds me eerily of Michael Jackson's drug-slurred words. God bless them both. They left us with art of the highest order that will never die, nor will their memories.
Like many artists she has gone through a severe world of industry and usually people that surround those artists are definetely ruthless abusers. Artists like her ...talented artists are being handled by mean people for money and fame.
I agree with everything Judy is saying in this. She was treated really badly, by her mother and MGM. And Sid Luft, one of the biggest users of this brave woman!
Actually for many years he was the best thing that ever happened to her. Two of her other husbands (Herron and Minelli) were gay, I think there was one more who didn't last long, and people say her last husband Mickey Deans was terrible, pushing to have her keep performing when her health was bad and getting even worse. Luft had his vices, no doubt, but he brought her back with performances and Star is Born. Without those where would she have been?
You had everything..but, support, and real love. Your mother should have protected you as a child. Your husbands and friends should have helped you off meds and booze. You are mad because it's over...and you know it. The fine man, you speaks of let her you die in a bathroom in London. This is an American tragedy. Talent like hers is so special...heartbreaking..
@@astorkitty I don't think that Mickey guy left her to die. She overdosed in the middle of the night, while he slept. But, her daughter Lorna even said, neither one of those guys were good for her. They were using her to start their own careers. Very sad! The Mark guy she is talking about was gay. Liza found him and her husband, Peter Allen, who died back in the 80's of AIDS, in bed together..
They can say anything they want about Judy, but she loved her children and she didn't treat them like her own mother who was one of the folks Judy is talking about who exploited her stole all her money! LOVE you Judy and RIP. 2020
This IS Judy Garland. Her voice is deepened because of the drinking, the drugs, and the emotional abuse she's endeared. If you listen closely, when she says "I'm damn mad." You can almost hear Dorothy coming out. That young Judy is begging for help and it's sad NO ONE helped her.
I love her, but she's wallowing in self-pity a bit. Most of the things that were written about her were hardly "loathsome." She's very paranoid here. But then, she wasn't expecting people to hear these tapes.
Allen Gumm no, things were written about her, that she was temperamental, if it were a man, like Sinatra, it is over looked and life goes on, but a woman, she is labeled a bitch and her career suffers for it. If she was heavy, they called her fat, if she was sick, she was drunk
No one helped her?? She was so needy she literally exhausted people around her, and they eventually burned out. Meanwhile, she was raiding their medicine cabinets for pills.
I very much believe in my heart that Judy Garland is literally ...Over that Rainbow in that place called HEAVEN....Yes , I believe in the after life and I feel deep in my soul that Judy's spirit lives on ...
Growing up during a particular rough time in our family,home lives when our Mum walked out on us and never returned. My dad played Judys songs and it helped us so much. I love her unconditionally and always will.
Well, thank God there was Jack Paar and Dick Cavett and Jack Kennedy. They knew what a great person she was and saw through to her wit and intelligence.
i wouldn't go that far jack paar threw her under the bus in his memoirs (you can hear them on youtube somewhere). Though to be honest the things he said about judy and how he reacted painted him in a worse light than her
Her appearances on Paar were fantastic as she told quite a few hilarious stories. The woman was extremely bright and a marvelous raconeteur. It wasn't fair of Paar to rip her up as he did.
Poor beautiful soul, ❤️you will never be forgotten! But loved and admired for all the love and smiles you brought into the world. They can never hurt you now that we know truth,Rest In Peace!
I just want to fix things for her. Just to go back in time and make sure that she was treated in an appropriate manner, starting with her horrible mother and difficult childhood. Poor beautiful, talented Judy. May she Rest In Peace.
Actually, I would recommend watching "What Killed Judy Garland," uploaded by gflauk, taken entirely from an episode of "Dead Men Talking" by Biography Channel. It goes into great detail about how she became addicted to amphetamines, barbituates, and alcohol during the course of her career.
wow, really sad. I love her so much, if only she could have internalised the massive amount of love her fans had for her, but maybe that wasn't enough, she needed to find her own peace, she never founf a way of dealing with the morons who hurt her with vicious words, people who never even knew her..all they had to do was listen to her life, it's in her music, and had they listened to her music maybe they wouldn't have been so cruel? I don't know, but I'm sorry for her pain, it wasn't fair, she was one in a million. Lots of imitations but there's only one Judy.
It's very rare that I comment on such precious things, but to all those that find themselves perusing the comments and changing the playback speed to1.5x, try the 1.25x setting instead. Although the 1.5x was certainly better than the original speed, when I tried 1.25x, the whole listening experience was transformed. I recognized "Judy" more so than any of the other times I've listened, and I got that feeling that only she can give...the same one I get every time I watch her perform "By Myself" and receive that hard-earned and so-deserved standing ovation on her show...or as it is more popularly known, "The Judy Garland Experience." ;) The result was that I think I may have truly heard this for the first time rather than the dialogue going in my head when listening at the original speed. At 1.5x, it certainly sounds closer to what I thought I'd hear, but 1.25x was arresting for me. It made me hear what I believe she, speaking as an author, was trying to convey rather than the constant stream of questions and commentary that came with the original speed or the comparisons that came with the 1.5x setting. It shut me up and sat me down like I was hearing it for the first time. It was as if she did the "head thing" and started to speak the utter truth when I changed it to 1.25x. Give it a whirl. I'm not saying anyone is wrong about the 1.5 or that I'm right with 1.25....hardly the point, and I couldn't care less about that part. I'm just saying...try it. You can always change it back. I never really thought about the profound difference such a thing could make, and it's made me question every single recorded thing I've ever heard. And since my singular-point comment has turned into an essay, one more thing - a big thank you to all my fellow Judy-lovin' folk that have done their part to preserve and share such gems as this. When she's on the screen, the rest of the world's playing field is leveled, and almost all other alleged greatness is eclipsed. There is unity in being a true fan, and I tip my proverbial hat to all that keep that practice alive.
Judy was a superstar..she was affected by celebrity just Diana was..she deserved to be treated better...she was a gem but sometimes forgot her own power..she has that power now. Bless Judy...ur missed and luved🌈🌌🌌🌌
Actually, she's a lot less slurry than she was quite a bit of the time in her later years. See her appearance on the Dick Cavett show in 1968 to really get a look at her when she was really struggling.
Must have been hard for her to live the life she lived at times. She sounds under the influence even during this tape. They used her and abused her very sad rip
"They're dead people. Bu they tried to kill me along the way, but by God they won't. They won't because I'm mad." Literally sent chills down my spine. Was a sharp turn from her previous sentence and totally unrelated to the very next sentence. Very interesting that she died before she got to finish the book. Very suspicious I should say.
Considering that in part of the audio she said that she met Mark Herron, it must be from the mid 60s, if it was suspicious, she would have died at that time, and the audios were hidden for a while
@@bruno.prieto I was thinking more of an Industry murder rather than uxoricide. Purely conspiracy theory, but with how the old Studios used to operate, I wouldn’t exactly rule it out. Especially if America’s Sweetheart was about to expose their abuse.
@@lewisedwards4058 I totally understand, but the autopsy confirmed it was accidental suicide, there was no reason to be murdered, and she had been addicted for over thirty years.
@TeamJacobFan987 I don't like to argue but do not say she would have a better chance today. Number one, the horrid culture of today is obsessed with looks. Judy would not have made in through the front door of any label. Number two, Judy would have no outlet to showcase all her talents. The Movie Musical is dead and has been dead since the 1960s.
You guys, YES this IS Garland. These taped dialogues are famously Garland, notoriously so. Biographers have had access to these tapes and have quoted them from nearly the time of her death, long before they were publicly available. Howard Stern aired them as well. But it's her.
Judy was 14 for the wizard of oz.!!!!!! Do ppl not realize your voice deepens as you age esp pushing 40/50 and even more so if you smoked, PLUS her already hectic stressed out life. My voice is deep. Always has been. Now that I'm a bit older when I mic up to play video games I can use my normal voice & everyone thinks I'm a guy or I can fake it to sound girlie. Also, I take benzos and some of these tapes sound like shes benzo'd out. They can make you slur your words & speak slower & she would have been using a handheld tape recorder that NEVER makes you sound good!!
I do NOT blame Judy at all! The beauty is one thing she said, " They would not get her. " It doesn't matter how she died. It doesn't matter how terrible they were to her, they didn't kill her per se! I'm glad she took her own life. My God some of us are tired, dammit! Love you lady! #TeamJudy
Devoted followers sometimes romanticize and/or minimize her addictions when not one of them would ever be willing to live with such a substance abuser.
She said she "found happiness with a fine man." But it was just another disastrous relationship. He was gay; the relationship was doomed from the start. Mickey Deans was gay, too. And she didn't raise Liza alone! Her father was Vincent Minnelli; he was always there for her. And the way she rakes Sid Luft over the coals! He stuck by her for a long time; he wasn't the monster she paints him out to be. She sounds very disturbed with a real paranoia streak.
@@allengreene9954 IRS took cash assets, plus two heavily mortgaged houses. Back taxes (unpaid for years) plus fees...amounted to millions. Read the book by Lorna Luft and you can see...there is no possible honest way to blame Sid Luft for loss of all of Garland's money. Tax cases are documented as public records, for proof. In addition, Judy Garland had two managers responsible for the world tours which you have read about. They received honest fees for their work of arranging and promoting these very expensive tours, plus they had access to Garland's bank accounts. By the times of these tours Sid Luft had no access to Judy Garland's bank accounts. The very easy way to keep the IRS from taking all of that money was to put most of it in trusts for the three children. This is what smart celebrities who make millions of dollars usually do. Judy Garland would have maintained access to certain controlled amounts, and the IRS would have left her alone. A person who earns large amounts of money from concert tours, then loses all to the IRS, has only herself to blame. IRS cannot touch trusts for children.
well,being turned into a drug addict by the time she was 14 is tragic,at least to me. Also,being forced to have an abortion before she had her children is also tragic. I dont know what you consider a tragedy,but to me her life was very tragic.
I have always wondered why the Hell her husbands from David Rose, Vincinette Minnelli, & Syd Luft didn't have her back & help this woman in her financial problems. She clearly needed help but all her husbands bled her dry. Syd Luft was a prick & gambled all of Judys money -masquerading as if he saved her ass by getting her a Warners contract. Judy worked her butt off. She needed help with her finances. And being that she was hooked on pills-she was beyond vulnerable to the scumbags that would really bring her down( David Beegleman, etc). Very sad that this amazing, iconic, talent wasnt able or couldnt get well. But, remember, back then there was no Betty Ford or the treatment programs that we have today
Yeah, that and all the singing she did. She put everything she had into her singing. Liza's voice is the same way. Her voice has dropped significantly as well.
Judy, you can't hear this but you were absolutely a wonderful person, a wonderful mum, and a beautiful singer, and I just wish I could pass my love and affection onto you, but it won't happen unless we meet in the wonderful yellow brick road, I could ask the beautiful witch of the whatever compass point she comes from, coz I'm never sure. RIP, JUDY GARLAND.
What a great talent and human being. Her fault. if any, is has the medical condition of addiction certainly caused by Her mother and the studios. She had no chance given the times to seek true help. People did use Her and she had every right to feel angry. She was a huge talent and that can never change. What a sweet soul.
Just watche'd the movie "Juday" and had read a book about her a long time ago. She sounds very much like a resentful alcoholic, and I love her depth of convictiion and passion.
When you suspend everything you know of these tapes, and listen to thisand realise Judy is talking to YOU......then, for me anyway, I hear a person, a lady who is communicating in a very sensitive, human and intelligent way. xxxxx
greg bell If she was originally told to record these, she used them to her advantage and got the last word. She knew who would listen. Smart, decent lady!
She always was a contralto--when she was younger she pitched her speaking voice higher, and women's voices always deepen as they get older. Hers was fatigued and got husky too.
OMG, this is terrible the shit and scandal that Judy had to go through, my heart goes out to her, that she had to defend herself like this. God bless you Judy, you were wonderful.
@romantic2543 also, her voice sounds very rough and haggard here. for being 47, it looked like at the time she aged so quickly. i agree with what you said about these tapes existing, but people like howard stern who made fun of these tapes was incredibly immature and an insult to her memory. for someone who worked her ass off to make a decent living, it seems like she gets shit on everytime, incredibly sad :(
The very sad thing about this recording is that Judy was right about it all. Even today, People only hear & dwell on the negatives instead of all the positives of this great Legend's Life. Even Lorna produced a bio pic of her own mother that used Judy's life as a Platform to thrust Her (Lorna's) own "Poor Me" story. Even her narration in her TV bio She always it about Her & not Judy. Someone to be fair & balanced & tell this great Legend's story. John Fricke is that Man. He's always been fair!
Why does everyone call her a tragedy? It's not the years of your life but the life in your years that count and she probably lived spectacularly more years than all 178 commentators and their keyboards here put together!
You mean the hell she lived since a little kid, used and abused by EVERYBODY just because she had the incredible voice and talent is OK, glorious, fantastic but not TRAGIC at all. Worked so hard all her 47 years but died penniless?
So grateful to finally hear what was on this woman's heart; Show biz wasn't squat without her, and she should've said that, too. No telling how many hurting, lonely people she reached.
She kinda did in one of these tapes where she straight blew up: “I’m doing (this book) purely for money. Because I deserve it. I’ve entertained. I’ve pleased your children, I’ve pleased your wives, I’ve pleased YOU! YOU SONS OF B*TCHES!!! … AND YOU CAN’T DENY THAT!” But it was less an ego thing than it was frustration.
@romantic2543 yeah im pretty sure its her voice, i think i have heard this part before, a good friend of mine has these tapes. they are pretty depressing, but fascinating.
And the love of Herron lasted less than a year. Then she said much the same thing, as here, about Mickey Dean. At a certain age one is abused because they allow themselves to be abused. There were others who helped raise her children. Sid Luft may have been a scoundrel, but he did do some work for her. The studio she was at offered to pay for her psychiatric treatment at one of the best hospitals. She went, but sabotaged the work, and left without advice of her doctors. Judy once said something like sympathy was her business-----and she milked that to death. I admired her and her talent, but she was self defeating and self destructive . Nobody can save you but yourself. I shook her hand at the last Palace appearance and it was cold as a block of ice.
I wish I could have written to her , at least, to reach out to let her know. She is not alone. I’ve gone thru it but most importantly now it’s come out other major stars have gone thru it. Mayer was part of her early death
The first time I ever got the chance to hear these tapes was Howard Stern making a mockery of her for the things that she had to say. It truly disgusted me, and continues to sadden me for Judy. She is my favorite vocalist and actress. More than that, Judy was a real person. Her words hearken the heartstrings. Anyone who can mock someone in pain is a monster.
He is the worssssst
Mernerwastaken yes he is.
@Mernerwastaken he should have retired several years ago. He's also put out myths that he's such a great interviewer. He's the worst. Check out the Robert plant interview or Gregg Allman. Plant just gave it to him brutally " u ask a lot of stupid questions " plant had to ask him several times to play his new stiff he was promoting. Instead stern wouldn't stop talking about zeplin which was over for decades. He even surmised " Jimmy page was the one of your life right?" Plant just laughed. Then stern spent the whole 2 hrs playing back for plant every zeplin song. Like what is the point of that. He knows the songs he wrote them. It's the same thing to w/ anyone was on snl. Questions about Chris Farley. Paul McCartney has been in multiple times & it's the same exact interview everytime " did u think John Lennon was gay " " wasn't Lennon the love of your life " ( same question as I mentioned above to plant) or he just repeats back what the guest said. An example " so your saying u didn't want to tour again " he does it after every response. He also cuts the guests off repeatedly. I know other so called interviews do this but why have the person in of you won't let them talk? All hos questions are protection too. Like father hunger is one.
As for mocking garland , who had more talent in her pinky then he has he loved to degrade & humiliate esp when he had those girls come in & je & his BFF Ralph would use a laser pointed to look for every single flaw. Funny since he is a very unattractive man. As is Ralph his " stylist " anyway later when talking about this bit he said " it's a about degradation " so he's a misogynist & I nearly choked when sunny in the view Said " I remember listening to you & you said the n word so many times" he lied of course said that word never came out of his mouth & ku klux Klan guy they had on for years said the n word not him ! The internet is not his friend when u can find him saying the n word all the time. In fact he asked whoopie for back up which she did saying " no Robin wouldn't let him get away w/ that " yes she did but also that's one big reason he had Robin there so he got a free pass on his bigotry & misogyny. Anyway on his channel 9 show he was in black face making fun of whoopee when she was w/ Ted Danson. In that skit Howard says the n word dozens if times. I never got how he escaped all he said when its all recorded. How many celebs got cancelled for past things they said in recent years.
On the morning of 9/11 Stern said we should nuke a Muslim country, "just pick one", because it "worked on the Japs". He's garbage
@@nattyps3160because he's a Jew, and Jews are allowed to get away with everything.
They're the ones who started this whole racist misogynistic homophobic phony moral hysteria in the first place just to attack and dismantle white Christian society.
This poor beautiful angel! So much was taken from her and everyone just allowed it.
I just wish I could hold this person to let her know someone is on her side.
She knew the fans were on here side. That wasn't the problem.
Amber Jordan , me too!
Same. I wish I could just go hold her hand and say I’m your friend and that I will help you through it
John Morris more importantly her children were on her side. They adored her and she them. She had love
I wish I could have known her. Maybe I could have helped her
The pain in her voice and when she said "by God they won't kill me" broke my heart because they did. R.I.P. Judy Garland
It was bad
I find myself really compelled by this. I can't stop listening. Just the things she's talking about and the honesty is just riveting to me. I've never heard anything quite like this.
Same. She did this for all women to help us be strong in truth about what it is to be a human and a women in success and in everyday life
Her words about Liza made me tear up. My god, she loved her kids.
She did, no doubt, but she was not able to be a very good mother, unfortunately.
@@scotnick59 Her children would disagree with you.
Mom's are like anyone else..addictions,ECT... But at least she spoke her truth..and yes her children were her everything
I always wanted to look like her in the Wiz..one of the most Beautiful woman in the world...it feels like she is chatting with me...wow
If she loved her kids so much, why didn’t she get sober? She was a scary drunk she died of a drug overdose and she could care less about the amount of pills she was taking as a matter of fact Sid her husband or ex-husband of five cause she was married five times wasn’t she he had to hire a private detective to check around the house every day while the kids were in her care to make sure she wasn’t popping pills and drinking alcohol but she did it anyway because she had pills and booze hidden all over the house as far as the private detective. It’s all on transcripts all in black-and-white it’s all legal like because it’s true. Maybe she’ll get it right her next life around. Make she rest in peace. She could care less about the pain that she caused her children especially Liza the only thing Judy Garland taught Liza was how to act and sing and perform on stage which was, many children would die to have been taught by Judy Garland on stage. It was too late by then she was far far gone.
this is clearly the real Judy Garland. If you know anything about her you know her voice IS actually pretty deep. Im terribly sorry for the things she went through. She made showbiz but apart of me wish she was never apart of it. This woman was broken and clearly needed help. I'm so sorry no one helped you
it's just pitched too low on the playback - crank it up a couple of semitones in an audio processor and she sounds much more like herself.
Tash Speak Interesting. I always thought her voice was lower because her singing voice was lower. I thought it was raised when she spoke to cultivate a certain image, but maybe I’m wrong. Her tone here sounds similar to the tone she used on Jack Paar.
@@lindseysanders3656 it's definitely played too slow and too low - i think whoever digitised them either didn't realise, didn't have the facilities they needed to correct it or didn't know how. I just played this back with jack paar at the same time and this is several tones lower for sure. I did a little reading up and compact cassette recorders were brand new1963 and the recording strips were narrower and recorded slower so audio fidelity wasn't so good which would explain why all these tapes sound off. They also vary - in the autobiography tapes she made in the 50s - it starts off normal, then gradually gets lower then goes normal again. I think personal portable recording devices back then just weren't that reliable/consistent :)
Tash Speak This one is also different than the counseling session audio on UA-cam. She was younger in that though. I will say that she spoke in a different tone and vocal inflection from her normal voice for her entire career. That would be a lot to keep up with. Shows how much talent she had. I wouldn’t want to pretend I’m someone I’m not though.
@@lindseysanders3656 not sure which one you mean by the counselling session? - I don't think i've heard it - if it's the one where she talks about her suicide attempt or being dumped on a pile of cherries as a baby by her sisters that was a recording by the guy who was going to write her autobiography which never got finished :) And yeah me neither it's hard /confusing enough being one person! but I guess having a public persona helps to keep a divide between work and life...I don't know how people manage to do it quite honestly.
She was so sick of being abused by scandals lies hated the lies gossip told on about her she had a right to be mad upset she had humor through it all loved her so very much im a victim of untruths lies gossip too and abused by bullies liars she was a very kind sensitive lady like me trying to please others no more !! She was strong person
This was the product of greed during the the time of the fantasy movie factory . They pumped out and used talent for the name of the studio and its owners at interest. She , like others, were used and milked for every ounce of life they could get from her. Sadly, her mother was a jerk and she loved her Father during her uprising. The studio would not let her cancel her radio show when they knew her father was about to die and she was not afforded to go to him to see him... She was born with talent and it's a blessing that we have some good footage of that talent, but it was all at her true expense ... I wish I was around to have seen her in concert ... She is missed.
The studio and her mother treated her horribly. All they cared about was how much money she brought in. They pumped her full of drugs..both her mom and the studio when she was JUST a kid. It's horrible.
1:41 she mentions her children before she does her health and her work!!!! show what kind of a mother she was!
Oh my God. I can’t get over the sincerity in her voice. It’s absolutely gripping. Can u hear it too?!?!?!
This tape had to have been done in 1965, because the "man" she's referring to is Marc Herron, the "man" she married that same year. The marriage lasted less than a year. She returned to singing (as well as ever sometimes), and even did a tour and played the Palace in 1967, from which a recording was made. It included "What Now, My Love". I saw her in Chicago in 1967 and she was outstanding. Then she married Mickey Deans in early 1969, and died in June of that year. And yes, she was a wonderful mom and her kids loved her.
You mean MarK Herron.
6:41 she says Mark...
Then she found out he was gay and just a fanboy.
Imagine if she knew that her husband (Marc Herron) would eventually be cavorting with Liza’s husband, Peter Allen. Neither mother nor daughter seemed to be able to pick good husbands for themselves.
@@jj-py8rv RIGHT! 😬
This made me feel sad. To hear the hurt in her voice was genuine and I feel we're all to blame. We were huge fans but but when the curtain came down we just relished in her tabloid misery. I'm sorry Judy.
Early in her performing career her life was basically RUINED psychologically by her own MOTHER plus LOUIS B. MAYER of MGM. They started her on the road to several addictions.
It's not our fault to make you feel better, but it was her idiot mother and MGM to blame. Those morons. T_T We fans are there for Judy. ^^ (I hope she knows that wherever she is.)
I absolutely adore her, she's so genuine.
This IS Judy. Listen to some of the other audio tracks on youtube. She was recording things for her autobiography, she died before it was written...
This is NOT a fake! She made these bc she was going to write a book.
Yes, it's definitely legit. It's her voice, and it was pretty well known that she'd recorded her narrative in preparation for a book she intended to write.
This reminds me eerily of Michael Jackson's drug-slurred words. God bless them both. They left us with art of the highest order that will never die, nor will their memories.
Like many artists she has gone through a severe world of industry and usually people that surround those artists are definetely ruthless abusers. Artists like her ...talented artists are being handled by mean people for money and fame.
Oh Judy we luv you !!! 2019!!!!
Oh, shut up.
Elizabeth Taytay love you bunches!!!!
You're from 2019? Those were the good old days.
@@CCPony no
I agree with everything Judy is saying in this. She was treated really badly, by her mother and MGM. And Sid Luft, one of the biggest users of this brave woman!
Actually for many years he was the best thing that ever happened to her. Two of her other husbands (Herron and Minelli) were gay, I think there was one more who didn't last long, and people say her last husband Mickey Deans was terrible, pushing to have her keep performing when her health was bad and getting even worse. Luft had his vices, no doubt, but he brought her back with performances and Star is Born. Without those where would she have been?
She touches my very soul... she always has... and always will.
🥰🥰🥰
I know what she WANTS to say, but she holds back.
So sad that each time she got involved with a new man she believed he actually loved her when they were bums looking to leech off her
You had everything..but, support, and real love.
Your mother should have protected you as a child.
Your husbands and friends should have helped you off meds and booze.
You are mad because it's over...and you know it.
The fine man, you speaks of let her you die in a bathroom in London.
This is an American tragedy.
Talent like hers is so special...heartbreaking..
It was Mickey Deans, not Mark Herron who left her to die....other than that you are spot on. ;)
astorkitty If only she was saved :'(
@@astorkitty I don't think that Mickey guy left her to die. She overdosed in the middle of the night, while he slept. But, her daughter Lorna even said, neither one of those guys were good for her. They were using her to start their own careers. Very sad! The Mark guy she is talking about was gay. Liza found him and her husband, Peter Allen, who died back in the 80's of AIDS, in bed together..
@@kimmyhawk5466 Mickey was gay too.
Sad, but true! One of the side effects of the drugs she was taking was paranoia, which is obvious here.
She is so sad she makes me cry.
She just wanted to be loved! She told nothing but the truth!! I love you judy
Judy's voice makes me sad. So much pain.. we care about you Judy!! Your music lives with us forever!!!
They can say anything they want about Judy, but she loved her children and she didn't treat them like her own mother who was one of the folks Judy is talking about who exploited her stole all her money! LOVE you Judy and RIP. 2020
This is a VERY powerful audio and is good for helping to inspire to cleanse ones self.
Thank you for sharing.
She was a strong goddamn woman. And a great mom.
I bet she had very bad Adrenal Fatigue! I know the feeling & how it appears to others!
yup. same. Takes all the fight out of you doesn't it
this is why she was so loved, Judy was so terribly raw honest about her life, she hid nothing from her public.
Nothing like the pain of an addict . She was used ; people stole from her because if she fought them they would expose her adddictions
This IS Judy Garland. Her voice is deepened because of the drinking, the drugs, and the emotional abuse she's endeared. If you listen closely, when she says "I'm damn mad." You can almost hear Dorothy coming out. That young Judy is begging for help and it's sad NO ONE helped her.
I love her, but she's wallowing in self-pity a bit. Most of the things that were written about her were hardly "loathsome." She's very paranoid here. But then, she wasn't expecting people to hear these tapes.
"A bit?"' She was a life long addict alcoholic.
Joey Giannini its deep because the tapes are running slow
Allen Gumm no, things were written about her, that she was temperamental, if it were a man, like Sinatra, it is over looked and life goes on, but a woman, she is labeled a bitch and her career suffers for it. If she was heavy, they called her fat, if she was sick, she was drunk
No one helped her?? She was so needy she literally exhausted people around her, and they eventually burned out. Meanwhile, she was raiding their medicine cabinets for pills.
bless you judy :(((( heartbreaking to hear :(
I very much believe in my heart that Judy Garland is literally ...Over that Rainbow in that place called HEAVEN....Yes , I believe in the after life and I feel deep in my soul that Judy's spirit lives on ...
A sweet and true dear lady and Mama. I love you and LiZa always says how much she adores you. Love Always, Betsey
Growing up during a particular rough time in our family,home lives when our Mum walked out on us and never returned. My dad played Judys songs and it helped us so much. I love her unconditionally and always will.
My mom long passed always cried when talking about Judy, so sad...
Well, thank God there was Jack Paar and Dick Cavett and Jack Kennedy. They knew what a great person she was and saw through to her wit and intelligence.
JACK ARR KNDA SOLD HER OUT BY TEELING HER WORST SIDE WHEN I THINK HE COULD HAVE HELED
i wouldn't go that far jack paar threw her under the bus in his memoirs (you can hear them on youtube somewhere). Though to be honest the things he said about judy and how he reacted painted him in a worse light than her
@@laraeejohnson7880 Jack para was trash
Her appearances on Paar were fantastic as she told quite a few hilarious stories. The woman was extremely bright and a marvelous raconeteur. It wasn't fair of Paar to rip her up as he did.
Poor beautiful soul, ❤️you will never be forgotten! But loved and admired for all the love and smiles you brought into the world. They can never hurt you now that we know truth,Rest In Peace!
Nothing but LOVE and RESPECT for this LEGEND ❤️ gone to soon. Her kid LIZA looks just like her REST IN PEACE BELOVED JUDY GARLAND.
I just want to fix things for her. Just to go back in time and make sure that she was treated in an appropriate manner, starting with her horrible mother and difficult childhood. Poor beautiful, talented Judy. May she Rest In Peace.
The lady was a true lady. I am glad she had the chance to talk about her kids. She loved them and wasn’t afraid to speak her mind. She was amazing!
So profound. Such raw anger, truth and beauty of a woman. A true woman. Thank you
Judy completely raw and true...Excellent, Thank You...
her problems are put on her by others.abused scapegoated ripped off ,and through away.when she was fit she could mesmerize an entire crowd.
Actually, I would recommend watching "What Killed Judy Garland," uploaded by gflauk, taken entirely from an episode of "Dead Men Talking" by Biography Channel. It goes into great detail about how she became addicted to amphetamines, barbituates, and alcohol during the course of her career.
People keep saying she was “always longing love from a man” and “daddy issues” but her dad did die when she was 13 and she was very heartbroken
Yet somehow she managed to marry several times and at least two of those 'husbands' were gay.
JUDY HAS THE RIGHT TO SPEAK HER MIND.
wow, really sad. I love her so much, if only she could have internalised the massive amount of love her fans had for her, but maybe that wasn't enough, she needed to find her own peace, she never founf a way of dealing with the morons who hurt her with vicious words, people who never even knew her..all they had to do was listen to her life, it's in her music, and had they listened to her music maybe they wouldn't have been so cruel? I don't know, but I'm sorry for her pain, it wasn't fair, she was one in a million. Lots of imitations but there's only one Judy.
It's very rare that I comment on such precious things, but to all those that find themselves perusing the comments and changing the playback speed to1.5x, try the 1.25x setting instead. Although the 1.5x was certainly better than the original speed, when I tried 1.25x, the whole listening experience was transformed. I recognized "Judy" more so than any of the other times I've listened, and I got that feeling that only she can give...the same one I get every time I watch her perform "By Myself" and receive that hard-earned and so-deserved standing ovation on her show...or as it is more popularly known, "The Judy Garland Experience." ;) The result was that I think I may have truly heard this for the first time rather than the dialogue going in my head when listening at the original speed. At 1.5x, it certainly sounds closer to what I thought I'd hear, but 1.25x was arresting for me. It made me hear what I believe she, speaking as an author, was trying to convey rather than the constant stream of questions and commentary that came with the original speed or the comparisons that came with the 1.5x setting. It shut me up and sat me down like I was hearing it for the first time. It was as if she did the "head thing" and started to speak the utter truth when I changed it to 1.25x. Give it a whirl. I'm not saying anyone is wrong about the 1.5 or that I'm right with 1.25....hardly the point, and I couldn't care less about that part. I'm just saying...try it. You can always change it back. I never really thought about the profound difference such a thing could make, and it's made me question every single recorded thing I've ever heard.
And since my singular-point comment has turned into an essay, one more thing - a big thank you to all my fellow Judy-lovin' folk that have done their part to preserve and share such gems as this. When she's on the screen, the rest of the world's playing field is leveled, and almost all other alleged greatness is eclipsed. There is unity in being a true fan, and I tip my proverbial hat to all that keep that practice alive.
I love you Judy - yesterday today forever!💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Judy was a superstar..she was affected by celebrity just Diana was..she deserved to be treated better...she was a gem but sometimes forgot her own power..she has that power now. Bless Judy...ur missed and luved🌈🌌🌌🌌
This is absolutely Judy... she was slurred bc she was always under the influence of barbiturates and alcohol
I agree!
Was she ALWAYS?
@@szembekk Surely not. She would have died a lot earlier if that were so. But frequently.
Actually, she's a lot less slurry than she was quite a bit of the time in her later years. See her appearance on the Dick Cavett show in 1968 to really get a look at her when she was really struggling.
Must have been hard for her to live the life she lived at times. She sounds under the influence even during this tape. They used her and abused her very sad rip
"They're dead people. Bu they tried to kill me along the way, but by God they won't. They won't because I'm mad." Literally sent chills down my spine. Was a sharp turn from her previous sentence and totally unrelated to the very next sentence. Very interesting that she died before she got to finish the book. Very suspicious I should say.
Considering that in part of the audio she said that she met Mark Herron, it must be from the mid 60s, if it was suspicious, she would have died at that time, and the audios were hidden for a while
@@bruno.prieto I was thinking more of an Industry murder rather than uxoricide. Purely conspiracy theory, but with how the old Studios used to operate, I wouldn’t exactly rule it out. Especially if America’s Sweetheart was about to expose their abuse.
@@lewisedwards4058 I totally understand, but the autopsy confirmed it was accidental suicide, there was no reason to be murdered, and she had been addicted for over thirty years.
@@bruno.prieto Good points. There's so much we learn after the fact so often that I've become a lot more conspiratorial lol
@@bruno.prieto but they continued to addict her to make money off her no?
@TeamJacobFan987 I don't like to argue but do not say she would have a better chance today. Number one, the horrid culture of today is obsessed with looks. Judy would not have made in through the front door of any label. Number two, Judy would have no outlet to showcase all her talents. The Movie Musical is dead and has been dead since the 1960s.
You guys, YES this IS Garland. These taped dialogues are famously Garland, notoriously so. Biographers have had access to these tapes and have quoted them from nearly the time of her death, long before they were publicly available. Howard Stern aired them as well. But it's her.
Judy was 14 for the wizard of oz.!!!!!! Do ppl not realize your voice deepens as you age esp pushing 40/50 and even more so if you smoked, PLUS her already hectic stressed out life. My voice is deep. Always has been. Now that I'm a bit older when I mic up to play video games I can use my normal voice & everyone thinks I'm a guy or I can fake it to sound girlie.
Also, I take benzos and some of these tapes sound like shes benzo'd out. They can make you slur your words & speak slower & she would have been using a handheld tape recorder that NEVER makes you sound good!!
@@agirlhasnoname6637 she was 16, almost 17 in oz....not 14
First I heard it was on Stern
Drained by takers till she died. Too talented and young when she left us.
I’m glad I found this though it’s heart breaking.
She was taken from this world so soon.. we miss you so much Judy 🌈❤️
I do NOT blame Judy at all!
The beauty is one thing she said,
" They would not get her. "
It doesn't matter how she died.
It doesn't matter how terrible they were to her, they didn't kill her per se! I'm glad she took her own life.
My God some of us are tired, dammit!
Love you lady!
#TeamJudy
Devoted followers sometimes romanticize and/or minimize her addictions when not one of them would ever be willing to live with such a substance abuser.
Where is the empathy?😢
She said she "found happiness with a fine man." But it was just another disastrous relationship. He was gay; the relationship
was doomed from the start. Mickey Deans was gay, too. And she didn't raise Liza alone! Her father was Vincent Minnelli;
he was always there for her. And the way she rakes Sid Luft over the coals! He stuck by her for a long time; he wasn't the monster
she paints him out to be. She sounds very disturbed with a real paranoia streak.
If that’s the case then what happened to all their money???
@@allengreene9954 IRS took cash assets, plus two heavily mortgaged houses. Back taxes (unpaid for years) plus fees...amounted to millions. Read the book by Lorna Luft and you can see...there is no possible honest way to blame Sid Luft for loss of all of Garland's money. Tax cases are documented as public records, for proof. In addition, Judy Garland had two managers responsible for the world tours which you have read about. They received honest fees for their work of arranging and promoting these very expensive tours, plus they had access to Garland's bank accounts. By the times of these tours Sid Luft had no access to Judy Garland's bank accounts.
The very easy way to keep the IRS from taking all of that money was to put most of it in trusts for the three children. This is what smart celebrities who make millions of dollars usually do. Judy Garland would have maintained access to certain controlled amounts, and the IRS would have left her alone. A person who earns large amounts of money from concert tours, then loses all to the IRS, has only herself to blame. IRS cannot touch trusts for children.
I love Judy n it makes me sad to know how bad it was towards the end of her life
We know the media lied and slandered her that hurt her deeply. Liza confirms it
well,being turned into a drug addict by the time she was 14 is tragic,at least to me. Also,being forced to have an abortion before she had her children is also tragic. I dont know what you consider a tragedy,but to me her life was very tragic.
God is with you and you are with God!
R.I.P.
0 dislikes....thats judy garland!! LOVE her!
Judy, Love you precious woman!💗
I have always wondered why the Hell her husbands from David Rose, Vincinette Minnelli, & Syd Luft didn't have her back & help this woman in her financial problems. She clearly needed help but all her husbands bled her dry. Syd Luft was a prick & gambled all of Judys money -masquerading as if he saved her ass by getting her a Warners contract. Judy worked her butt off. She needed help with her finances. And being that she was hooked on pills-she was beyond vulnerable to the scumbags that would really bring her down( David Beegleman, etc). Very sad that this amazing, iconic, talent wasnt able or couldnt get well. But, remember, back then there was no Betty Ford or the treatment programs that we have today
SID LUFT!
HES A SAD EST!
Yeah, that and all the singing she did. She put everything she had into her singing. Liza's voice is the same way. Her voice has dropped significantly as well.
Judy, you can't hear this but you were absolutely a wonderful person, a wonderful mum, and a beautiful singer, and I just wish I could pass my love and affection onto you, but it won't happen unless we meet in the wonderful yellow brick road, I could ask the beautiful witch of the whatever compass point she comes from, coz I'm never sure. RIP, JUDY GARLAND.
And CNN wasn't around yet.
What a great talent and human being. Her fault. if any, is has the medical condition of addiction certainly caused by Her mother and the studios. She had no chance given the times to seek true help. People did use Her and she had every right to feel angry. She was a huge talent and that can never change. What a sweet soul.
Just watche'd the movie "Juday" and had read a book about her a long time ago. She sounds very much like a resentful alcoholic, and I love her depth of convictiion and passion.
What an amazing star...this recording is a tearjerker and heartbreaker.
Absolutely you're correct. Like Lucille Ball Judy's voice was lower by this time no doubt due to being a smoker for years!?
When you suspend everything you know of these tapes, and listen to thisand realise Judy is talking to YOU......then, for me anyway, I hear a person, a lady who is communicating in a very sensitive, human and intelligent way. xxxxx
greg bell If she was originally told to record these, she used them to her advantage and got the last word. She knew who would listen. Smart, decent lady!
It IS judy however was recorded on the old reel to reel !
It is her voice - the speed is slightly slow, which is why the pitch is a little low.
She always was a contralto--when she was younger she pitched her speaking voice higher, and women's voices always deepen as they get older. Hers was fatigued and got husky too.
@@happyclam1266 i'm not sure about the speed but the pitch is defo off
very couragouse wise woman:}
Loved her always...from 10 to 74...queen of my heart....so much talent...so much wisdom ...so many gifts to share...amazing always. 🌹💕🌹
This is it ,the real ,the raw judy ,I will always love e her ,my childhood is about the w.o oz and never will I 4get
Sadness. She was human just like us. She was a beautiful star and I'm heartbroken hearing it all
thank you for adding this, very emotional in many ways
OMG, this is terrible the shit and scandal that Judy had to go through, my heart goes out to her, that she had to defend herself like this. God bless you Judy, you were wonderful.
She was absolutely worn out yet no one helped her. They just kept pushing her to do more. Rest In Peace Judy, you deserve peace xx
@romantic2543 also, her voice sounds very rough and haggard here. for being 47, it looked like at the time she aged so quickly. i agree with what you said about these tapes existing, but people like howard stern who made fun of these tapes was incredibly immature and an insult to her memory. for someone who worked her ass off to make a decent living, it seems like she gets shit on everytime, incredibly sad :(
The very sad thing about this recording is that Judy was right about it all. Even today, People only hear & dwell on the negatives instead of all the positives of this great Legend's Life. Even Lorna produced a bio pic of her own mother that used Judy's life as a Platform to thrust Her (Lorna's) own "Poor Me" story. Even her narration in her TV bio She always it about Her & not Judy. Someone to be fair & balanced & tell this great Legend's story. John Fricke is that Man. He's always been fair!
Lorna is trash
Why does everyone call her a tragedy? It's not the years of your life but the life in your years that count and she probably lived spectacularly more years than all 178 commentators and their keyboards here put together!
Joshua Taylor she wasn’t but the torture she went through was
She wasn't a tragedy, what she WENT THROUGH was tragic.
You mean the hell she lived since a little kid, used and abused by EVERYBODY just because she had the incredible voice and talent is OK, glorious, fantastic but not TRAGIC at all. Worked so hard all her 47 years but died penniless?
So grateful to finally hear what was on this woman's heart; Show biz wasn't squat without her, and she should've said that, too. No telling how many hurting, lonely people she reached.
How very much i appreciate your saying this. She was a genius, hated and envied by the mediocrity and worse that rules the world.
She kinda did in one of these tapes where she straight blew up:
“I’m doing (this book) purely for money. Because I deserve it. I’ve entertained. I’ve pleased your children, I’ve pleased your wives, I’ve pleased YOU! YOU SONS OF B*TCHES!!! … AND YOU CAN’T DENY THAT!” But it was less an ego thing than it was frustration.
@romantic2543 yeah im pretty sure its her voice, i think i have heard this part before, a good friend of mine has these tapes. they are pretty depressing, but fascinating.
And the love of Herron lasted less than a year. Then she said much the same thing, as here, about Mickey Dean. At a certain age one is abused because they allow themselves to be abused. There were others who helped raise her children. Sid Luft may have been a scoundrel, but he did do some work for her. The studio she was at offered to pay for her psychiatric treatment at one of the best hospitals. She went, but sabotaged the work, and left without advice of her doctors. Judy once said something like sympathy was her business-----and she milked that to death. I admired her and her talent, but she was self defeating and self destructive . Nobody can save you but yourself. I shook her hand at the last Palace appearance and it was cold as a block of ice.
I wish I could have written to her , at least, to reach out to let her know. She is not alone. I’ve gone thru it but most importantly now it’s come out other major stars have gone thru it.
Mayer was part of her early death
Mayer also has EVERYTHING to do with Judy's terrible private life right when she started with MGM.
she sounds like my mom also a smoker who passed away at 58!. I loved both of them though
Rest In Peace
Judy Garland... sua grandeza supera tudo que você teve que enfrentar. Você sempre amou seus três filhos
Judy Garland... teve altos e baixos em sua vida... mas o amor pelos filhos superou sua dignidade como grande mãe.
Is this the entire recording? I've heard snippets over the years, but never the entire thing.