This channel is partially what made me so in love with the beautiful ways records can be packaged back when I started collecting in college. Tim's voice plus the passion he put into those videos in the past made me constantly re-watch them when I was still too broke to really have many records of my own. Glad to see the channel picking up again!
btw - I stopped making videos, mainly because they don't get watched much anymore, but also because I have been busy. However, I might need to start selling off some of my collection, so I'm actually thinking of sharing that in a video
This was so helpful to me. I don't have records, but I'm a crafter. I store tons of metal wafer dies and stamp sets in boxes, and needs these shelves. I also stores tons of cardstock, ink pads, ad a bunch of other supplies that will be stored on these shelves. So, while that might not seem like much, it adds up and is super heavy. Now I know NOT to lay them on their sides and to secure them to the wall. I also might add some hardboard to the backing for extra support. Thanks for a great video!
Thank you Gozer!! I purchased the metal dowels from Amazon using the information you provided. The only problem I had was with an 8 cube Kallax, you need 22 dowels. The order of one package from Amazon contains 15 metal dowels ☹️. So I ordered another package and my unfinished Kallax sits for a couple of days while I wait for the shipment. No problem though, I appreciate your video and the information you provided!!
So stoked to see uploads from you and I hope you’re doing well! Also super appreciate this as a collector with Kallax shelves. Never thought about the structural integrity but now my anxiety has me working towards making sure these little boxes are safely holding this heavy wax haha. Thank you!
Perfect timing. I'm about to buy one. I didn't know there was a wrong way up. haha Long boards horizontal. Got it. I would love to flip though your records. I can only imagine the crazy art you have in there. Thanks Tim. Charles
Great video! I custom built my shelves, but I definitely respect these ikea shelves (if properly installed of course). Looking forward to future videos! Your channel inspired me so much to try out new records years ago when I first started getting into vinyl.
Once again you are thinking outside the box Tim. Or outside the vinyl jacket. {smile} I am one of the old schoolers who bought the Expedit single column fives and stacked them next to each other. I really loved them. So sturdy. But I never filled them up all the way. I like the lighter look. Anyways. Thank you for the tip. Have a super weekend. Catch up soon~ Rob/Boston
Okay, when (or if) I ever get Kallax shelves, I am definitely going to put a 1/4" plywood backing on them and/or brace them with 1x3's. Something to make sure they're solid and attached to the wall.
Dig. I made my own out of 7/8 inch oak plywood and three inch drywall screws. I do dig seeing someone who has crazy amounts of records like I do. I am north of 13k albums now.
Thank you for this. I'm about to buy one for books. I wanted to lay it on the side, but don't know that I will now. Will definitely be getting some of those metal dowels. 'Glad I didn't go through with my banquette idea. 🤕
Interesting idea. I have my country and Jazz records in a side standing Kallax in my closet, and never considered they would fail. I've seen a couple of the images of shelves failing, but they have all been the 5 cube x 5 cube shelves that were incorrectly on their sides...but still a good safety precaution. I too worry about the weight on my records on floors. That may be something I address in the future just to be safe.
This is an extremely helpful and thoughtful video. Glad I thought to check. Still concerned about weight distribution when stacking them on top of each other….
I know this is over a year ago now, but I finally outgrew my current storage capacity and caved and got a Kallax 2x4 - mainly because I’m not quite at the stage where I need something as big as a 4x4 just yet - but I intend to put it horizontally (the way you’re not supposed to lay it apparently?). I’ve got the metal dowels to upgrade it a little bit as recommended here, but I guess I just need some reassurance that I shouldn’t just stand it up vertically.
I'm thinking of getting a 4x3 (4 up 3 across) kallax for a certain area to either display some small scale statues I've got into, or books, I like that you can put drawers or cupboard doors on them too, I neeeeeeed storage like that.
You never see these doing a pancake collapse. It's always a horizontal failure. That is easily prevented by securing to the wall. The mounts don't support any load, they just stop and horizontal shifting.
Always use wood glue on/in all the joints. As being swede and have mounted numerous of IKEA products, they do need some glue. If you move, then they will keep the strength and form. If possible, tighten the screws after 2-3 months, if you can reach them. Don’t forget to fasten them to the wall and together. Vinyls and kids are the sugar on the cake.
I bought the square unit’s cross insert, and use 1 insert in 1 kallax cube which act as a way to cut the kallax cube in half (so if records topple they don’t topple much) and I imagine adds support to the small shelves (I have a 2x4 kallax on the side)
I've never worried about the whole thing toppling over... but I didn't think of it going through the floor. Yeah, that's quite a bit of weight on my 70-year-old wooden floor.
It’s not related to the subject of record shelves, but have you ever checked out Glassjaw’s Coloring Book EP? It consists of 3 interlocking rings (7”, 10”, and 12”). I thought you’d enjoy that release because it’s so unique
Why doesn’t kallax just made a horizontal version on the 4x2? Also would u recommend the metal dowels for a single 4x2 setup ? With a TT and receiver on top?
Won't the metal dowels gouge through the press-board shelves? When used for books, I've had to glue-screw two thicknesses of flat stir sticks (for paint) along gables for the shelves to sit on.
I'm curious, now. People keep talking about the Kallax being "incorrectly" set up, but IKEA actually sells the shelves to be laid on their side, or else they wouldn't have included the metal base. Perhaps "incorrectly" only pertains to if used for heavy items, like vinyl records...? I s'pose most folk (or a lot of them, anyway) only put a few coffee-table style books in them with a flower pot or tschotske or something.
Wow, I never knew about the short shelves not supposed to bear much weight. Granted, I only have a 2x4 Kallax and only the top 4 cubes are filled... Hmm
You say the shelves aren't designed to go on their sides... yet this is the way the instructions tell you to mount them if you use the underframe with a 4x3, 4x2 or 4x1 unit
I'm getting ready to assemble 5 X 5 Kallax unit (bought mid-pandemic) and saw somewhere that wooden dowels are no longer a thing. If true does that make your stainless steel rod upgrade irrelevant? Or is there still a way to improve stability? And yes, these shelves will be filled to the max.
How is your 5x5 holding up as filled to capacity? I’m planning on a 5x5, but trying to decide if any additional strengthening is really necessary or just overkill (also my vinyl will only fill 10 of the cubbies… rest will be books etc). Heard so many stories of this unit holding up fine assembled as is.
3.5 tons, is this 15,000 vinyls? If so, burn the shelves and get 150 wooden crates. The lovely ones hold about a 100 each. Spine facing shelves fail the form and function aesthetic test. I am fond of Ikea products, but not for vinyls. At least yours are Black!!
If I knew I was going to live in this house for an extended time, I would build shelves, but I'm not sure I will be here in a couple years, so at least another couple years of Ikea shelves. ha
@@ArtsyFartsyTimo For 15k records you could build them in a day, maybe day and a half, if you have average health - thick plywood, cutter, sander, measuring tape then paint them Black, or Gold for a Bling ambience. Then put some old wooden crates on them, the hipster shops want $30 for them these days but you can get them in Fleas still for 5$ or so. I use grey bricks between them to seperate layers. Takes up a bit more space but you avoid a crooked neck in your dotage and comments such as mine from the style cognoscenti. If you move within 43 miles of Miami, although don't as it is semi Trumpian humid 'shithole' , let me know and I'll come and build them for you for free as long as you can serve up 13 cups of strong stewed black tea, no sugar, dash of FULL CREAM milk and none of this no smoking in the house nonsense!
@@miketomlin6040 If I shared with you the things I've built and created you wouldn't find a need to state the obvious to me. ;) I have these shelves right now, they work fine, and I will go ahead and build shelves when I know I am in a house I will stay in. Might need to take you up on building them for me, because I'm a bit lazy. ha. Plus, I'll take that strong tea! Another winky - ;)
IKEA products are a bunch of crap and a waste of money. Build your own out of real wood. And by the way never stack all the way up to the ceiling. That's horrowshow (from 976-CREOLEMAN)!
What about two 3x3 stacked above the other? Would that be pretty much the same as 4x4 + 2x4 ? Or do you think structurally would there be any difference? Because the 3x3 I think I can make so that both of them have main shelf on horizontal.
This channel is partially what made me so in love with the beautiful ways records can be packaged back when I started collecting in college. Tim's voice plus the passion he put into those videos in the past made me constantly re-watch them when I was still too broke to really have many records of my own. Glad to see the channel picking up again!
You guys have no idea how much I appreciate your comments, especially after a year of this pandemic
btw - I stopped making videos, mainly because they don't get watched much anymore, but also because I have been busy. However, I might need to start selling off some of my collection, so I'm actually thinking of sharing that in a video
This was so helpful to me. I don't have records, but I'm a crafter. I store tons of metal wafer dies and stamp sets in boxes, and needs these shelves. I also stores tons of cardstock, ink pads, ad a bunch of other supplies that will be stored on these shelves. So, while that might not seem like much, it adds up and is super heavy. Now I know NOT to lay them on their sides and to secure them to the wall. I also might add some hardboard to the backing for extra support. Thanks for a great video!
so good to hear your voice over a video of vinyl, it just feels natural at this point
thank you
Thank you Gozer!! I purchased the metal dowels from Amazon using the information you provided. The only problem I had was with an 8 cube Kallax, you need 22 dowels. The order of one package from Amazon contains 15 metal dowels ☹️.
So I ordered another package and my unfinished Kallax sits for a couple of days while I wait for the shipment. No problem though, I appreciate your video and the information you provided!!
So stoked to see uploads from you and I hope you’re doing well! Also super appreciate this as a collector with Kallax shelves. Never thought about the structural integrity but now my anxiety has me working towards making sure these little boxes are safely holding this heavy wax haha. Thank you!
Thank you. I really do appreciate that
Perfect timing. I'm about to buy one. I didn't know there was a wrong way up. haha Long boards horizontal. Got it.
I would love to flip though your records. I can only imagine the crazy art you have in there. Thanks Tim. Charles
thank you, Charles
Holy moly! Gozers den is back? Right on!
I honestly really appreciate these kind comments
Great video! I custom built my shelves, but I definitely respect these ikea shelves (if properly installed of course). Looking forward to future videos! Your channel inspired me so much to try out new records years ago when I first started getting into vinyl.
thank you
That collapsed kallax pic is legendary.
Just discovered this channel after buying the Danzig does Elvis vinyl for a close friends birthday, and I love everything so far!!
I've missed your videos so much!!! I'm so glad you're back! You deserve way more attention and I hope to see more of your videos soon!
thank you
Metal dowels is a brilliant idea 👍
Oh hell yeah! I missed this video!!!
Once again you are thinking outside the box Tim. Or outside the vinyl jacket. {smile} I am one of the old schoolers who bought the Expedit single column fives and stacked them next to each other. I really loved them. So sturdy. But I never filled them up all the way. I like the lighter look. Anyways. Thank you for the tip. Have a super weekend. Catch up soon~
Rob/Boston
It would be fun to meet you in person someday, Rob! I hope you are well
Okay, when (or if) I ever get Kallax shelves, I am definitely going to put a 1/4" plywood backing on them and/or brace them with 1x3's. Something to make sure they're solid and attached to the wall.
Dig. I made my own out of 7/8 inch oak plywood and three inch drywall screws. I do dig seeing someone who has crazy amounts of records like I do. I am north of 13k albums now.
Thank you for this. I'm about to buy one for books. I wanted to lay it on the side, but don't know that I will now. Will definitely be getting some of those metal dowels. 'Glad I didn't go through with my banquette idea. 🤕
Interesting idea. I have my country and Jazz records in a side standing Kallax in my closet, and never considered they would fail. I've seen a couple of the images of shelves failing, but they have all been the 5 cube x 5 cube shelves that were incorrectly on their sides...but still a good safety precaution. I too worry about the weight on my records on floors. That may be something I address in the future just to be safe.
This is an extremely helpful and thoughtful video. Glad I thought to check. Still concerned about weight distribution when stacking them on top of each other….
me too, but more worried about the floor of the house holding all that weight
Much needed info, Thanksa
It's just one man's opinion. ha. thank you
Quality content as always!
thank you
I recomend installing x-bracing at the back.
I know this is over a year ago now, but I finally outgrew my current storage capacity and caved and got a Kallax 2x4 - mainly because I’m not quite at the stage where I need something as big as a 4x4 just yet - but I intend to put it horizontally (the way you’re not supposed to lay it apparently?). I’ve got the metal dowels to upgrade it a little bit as recommended here, but I guess I just need some reassurance that I shouldn’t just stand it up vertically.
I'm thinking of getting a 4x3 (4 up 3 across) kallax for a certain area to either display some small scale statues I've got into, or books, I like that you can put drawers or cupboard doors on them too, I neeeeeeed storage like that.
You never see these doing a pancake collapse. It's always a horizontal failure. That is easily prevented by securing to the wall. The mounts don't support any load, they just stop and horizontal shifting.
Always use wood glue on/in all the joints. As being swede and have mounted numerous of IKEA products, they do need some glue. If you move, then they will keep the strength and form. If possible, tighten the screws after 2-3 months, if you can reach them. Don’t forget to fasten them to the wall and together. Vinyls and kids are the sugar on the cake.
I bought the square unit’s cross insert, and use 1 insert in 1 kallax cube which act as a way to cut the kallax cube in half (so if records topple they don’t topple much) and I imagine adds support to the small shelves (I have a 2x4 kallax on the side)
Nice collection of King Gizzard & King Tuff Records @ 1:50!
That image of the collapsed shelf made my inner alarm bells go off haha
haha. right? Frightening thought
I've never worried about the whole thing toppling over... but I didn't think of it going through the floor. Yeah, that's quite a bit of weight on my 70-year-old wooden floor.
My 5x5 Expedit, is FULL & vinyl on top... I am looking to replace it tho, its been 20 years. Not moved x
Nice. Thänx
I use the single column ones and put them on their side. You get the fat sidewall as shelf.
Will never collapse ❤
Those dividers are rad
thank you
King Gizzard records @1:43 🤩
It’s not related to the subject of record shelves, but have you ever checked out Glassjaw’s Coloring Book EP? It consists of 3 interlocking rings (7”, 10”, and 12”). I thought you’d enjoy that release because it’s so unique
do you actually own one?
Metall dowels just ripps throu the shelf, good woodglue and wood dowels ftw
Why doesn’t kallax just made a horizontal version on the 4x2? Also would u recommend the metal dowels for a single 4x2 setup ? With a TT and receiver on top?
Nothing to argue!
you're always looking to argue! ;)
@@ArtsyFartsyTimo It's the Jew in me!
Also, in FL we got concrete floors..... just saying.... in case you want a nice safe platform for your records.... you know.... warm weather.....
@@seqouiaflame I am so sad we weren't able to meet. I am going to make it happen!!
@@ArtsyFartsyTimo I'm gonna hold you to that!!!
Won't the metal dowels gouge through the press-board shelves? When used for books, I've had to glue-screw two thicknesses of flat stir sticks (for paint) along gables for the shelves to sit on.
I'm curious, now. People keep talking about the Kallax being "incorrectly" set up, but IKEA actually sells the shelves to be laid on their side, or else they wouldn't have included the metal base. Perhaps "incorrectly" only pertains to if used for heavy items, like vinyl records...? I s'pose most folk (or a lot of them, anyway) only put a few coffee-table style books in them with a flower pot or tschotske or something.
yes, it wouldn't matter much if you weren't putting a lot of weight in them. I literally have 3 1/2 tons of records, though. lol
The dowel joints might not break, but the particle board they're holding up still could.
Wow, I never knew about the short shelves not supposed to bear much weight. Granted, I only have a 2x4 Kallax and only the top 4 cubes are filled... Hmm
indeed
YES! KING GIZZARD FAN CONFIRMED!!!
lol
I'm buying those metal dowels
Do you only use the uxcell dowels on the sideways unit? And only for the dowels serving as the horizontal support?
You say the shelves aren't designed to go on their sides... yet this is the way the instructions tell you to mount them if you use the underframe with a 4x3, 4x2 or 4x1 unit
I love the laser cut band name dividers! Did you do this yourself with a Laser or Tool Engraving/Router machine or have access to one ?
I did them myself, but after I made the files I gave them to a friend's company to actually cut them
The best thing do it yourself with solid wood..
I did it for around $1000 30 cube space
He will Fits about 3000 LPs
I'm getting ready to assemble 5 X 5 Kallax unit (bought mid-pandemic) and saw somewhere that wooden dowels are no longer a thing. If true does that make your stainless steel rod upgrade irrelevant? Or is there still a way to improve stability? And yes, these shelves will be filled to the max.
How is your 5x5 holding up as filled to capacity?
I’m planning on a 5x5, but trying to decide if any additional strengthening is really necessary or just overkill (also my vinyl will only fill 10 of the cubbies… rest will be books etc).
Heard so many stories of this unit holding up fine assembled as is.
Ha - I already see two mistakes. I really should sit on these videos for a day before I upload them
would you be able to sell me 6 custom dividers?
Do you use the same small metal dowels to reinforce the floor?
haha
I work at IKEA yeah now you have to sign a waiver to acknowledge you know you’re suppose to mount it Incase a child gets crushed
A crushed child is more money for vinyls!! Hard core collectors do not breed , as you may know!?
lol
3.5 tons, is this 15,000 vinyls? If so, burn the shelves and get 150 wooden crates. The lovely ones hold about a 100 each. Spine facing shelves fail the form and function aesthetic test. I am fond of Ikea products, but not for vinyls. At least yours are Black!!
If I knew I was going to live in this house for an extended time, I would build shelves, but I'm not sure I will be here in a couple years, so at least another couple years of Ikea shelves. ha
@@ArtsyFartsyTimo For 15k records you could build them in a day, maybe day and a half, if you have average health - thick plywood, cutter, sander, measuring tape then paint them Black, or Gold for a Bling ambience. Then put some old wooden crates on them, the hipster shops want $30 for them these days but you can get them in Fleas still for 5$ or so. I use grey bricks between them to seperate layers. Takes up a bit more space but you avoid a crooked neck in your dotage and comments such as mine from the style cognoscenti. If you move within 43 miles of Miami, although don't as it is semi Trumpian humid 'shithole' , let me know and I'll come and build them for you for free as long as you can serve up 13 cups of strong stewed black tea, no sugar, dash of FULL CREAM milk and none of this no smoking in the house nonsense!
@@miketomlin6040 If I shared with you the things I've built and created you wouldn't find a need to state the obvious to me. ;) I have these shelves right now, they work fine, and I will go ahead and build shelves when I know I am in a house I will stay in. Might need to take you up on building them for me, because I'm a bit lazy. ha. Plus, I'll take that strong tea! Another winky - ;)
Why can’t you just put the Kallax the right side up the way it was meant to be?
Who’s maligning these shelves?? Give me their address!!!
lol
If you don't bolt them to the wall, you're asking for trouble.
I did. The video mentions that
@@ArtsyFartsyTimo oh, I know, I didn't mean you gozer's den, I meant "you" like, "you people out there".
@@iskandertime747 Ah. lol
Kallax = Collapse...
IKEA products are a bunch of crap and a waste of money. Build your own out of real wood. And by the way never stack all the way up to the ceiling. That's horrowshow (from 976-CREOLEMAN)!
What about two 3x3 stacked above the other? Would that be pretty much the same as 4x4 + 2x4 ? Or do you think structurally would there be any difference? Because the 3x3 I think I can make so that both of them have main shelf on horizontal.
I think the smaller ones aren't too big of a deal. I actually worry about the overall weight, and the 1x5s stacked on their ends