Mastering Misery - Part 1: Every Decision Matters
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
- Misery is the new mode in The Long Dark, which is harder than interloper. It doesn't seem too bad in the beginning, but it gets worse... way worse. Surviving here is a question of preparation, and as time marches on, every decision becomes crucial.
Join me on this new journey through Misery, a mode I was fortunate enough to playtest in early access. The mode has changed a bit since I tested, so some aspects will still be new to me.
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I think Misery is the dev's taking out their passive aggression on the players :D :D
And thats a good thing surprisingly
I love the fact that Zak plays Misery with about the same urgency I play Interloper. For years, I've admired his ability to take Interloper easy and sometimes make suboptimal choices for educational purposes, but it seems there will be no place for that in Misery. At least not in the beginning.
28:52 he wakes up and then, without pausing the game, talks for 10 real time minutes about what his plan is, wasting two hours of daylight in-game in the process. Zack is incorrigible
1:02:08 I love the visual of a survivor reaching into their bag and just downing a coffee in reaction to a wolf in order to run away.
Haha yeah. "Hold on, wolf!" *rummages* "Aah that's the stuff! Okay where were we?"
that's my fear response too; to drop my guts and hide.
Lol😂
Even Misery with Zak is a joy ❤
1:10:20 minus 100 degrees Celsius!!!?!?! Thats insane! Cause the lowest natural tempture on earth had been minus 89.2 degrees Celsius and that was on south pole. The long dark is truly a apocalyps
This new game mode is a good idea. I won't play it but when games are in early access for a long time veteran players want the difficulty to increase which can make the game inaccessible to new players. This keeps the game from being too difficult for new players and satisfies the people who have played for years. Plus it makes good content for UA-cam.
I tried misery mode, and actually got surprisingly far considering that I'm by no means an expert in the game. I got seven days in, and what's funny is that I was in a discord call with my friends, and I got the second affliction, and I said something like "I kind of want to die so I can look up what the new afflictions are." Because I wanted to see how far I'd get, and have the one misery run be a surprise. As I was saying that, a wolf came out of nowhere, I tried lighting a torch to scare it off but it was too windy, and then I died.
The timed nature of the afflictions has led Zak to assume he won’t survive long enough to conserve matches or need a bow. I wish these afflictions had physical triggers, like normal afflictions. For instance, if you got Diminished Form by going below 50% health, Sour stomach by eating bad food, arthritis from sprains, and others by letting your meters go into the red. That would encourage top tier interloper players to keep their meters high, and thus make their runs more challenging without feeling like Hinterland was determined to kill them on a schedule.
Sounds like an amazing idea
It's always funny how toilet water is perfectly safe to drink in this world, but melted snow you have to boil first just to be safe.
Technically speaking, water from toilet it's same source like watter from sink. And a toilet seat has less germs than your phone(or mine). Snow I use to eat snow as a child, and it tastes really weird 😁
@@andreichihaia8509 Still, I wouldn't call it potable. Not to mention, given how we have multiple ways of sterilising water in the game, it would make more sense to have it be unsterilised. It would still cut the time and fuel it takes to make potable water, while giving some use to the water purification tablets which I don't think I've ever used in all my hours playing this game. Plus, you could still drink it straight up when desperate enough.
Good idea@@zioming
From your comments about the negligibility of clothing-from what I understand, misery starts at max temperature scaling, equivalent to day 50 of interloper, so if you end up getting fully geared up with bear coats and whatnot, the temperature late-game in misery will be very similar to interloper, aside from the frigid bones affliction. So it's definitely worth going for those as fast as possible, and definitely before broken body.
Me and my son love this game and love your videos! So thank you dude.
prey leaving when going "quickly inside to make a fire" happened to me so many times that i started just making a pit stop fire outside instead
We played stalker and didn’t find ourselves challenged. We played Interloper and didn’t find ourselves challenged. And now we have Misery. Don’t say we didn’t ask for it
Finally. The misery stream we've all been waiting for.
For the ptarmigans going away the only mistake that was made was going inside. I've found that going inside a building can trigger weather changes, ptarmigans moving, and other changes in misc dynamic behaviors. On the plus side you will probably run into the ptarmigans again on top of the plateau after the rope climbs.
So many decisions I wouldn't have taken! Going through the birch forest, skipping the farm on the way to Barn, skipping the plane crash after sleeping at preppers cache. That goes to show I'm probably playing this the wrong way 😅
I wouldn't say you are playing wrong. Everyone has their own style of playing, and each style comes with it's own risks and rewards. The most important thing is to have fun. If it becomes more like a job or stressful, then why play at all?
@manbearpig342 oh I'm having fun alright! It's just that Zak is one of the most experienced players, so it's always a reference on what to do.
Zak's only real challenge would be not being able to go over weight
You know what I would love to see? A challenge run where pulling torches out of fires is disabled, and all match boxes only spawn with a single match.
This is a great idea!
1:41:24 I noticed on my interloper runs those ptarmigan always disappear as you enter and exit the hut.
However if you go all the way to the rope and head back, they will be there again.
Can't wait for the next episode, great stuff.
Hype!! Can't wait to see where this series goes!!!
He gonna die
Thanks for the walkthrough series, Zak!
@@derelictgasstation For sure. I cant even fathom how you could avoid getting cold at all while cabin fever and the cougar exist.
@@realglutenfree cougar was removed by the devs
@@derelictgasstation But not in the long run, right?
1:02:00 When you stop to drink a coffee during a wolf's attack, because the latter on itself is no longer enough to raise your blood pressure...
Just found a HATCHET in the large red toolcase the barn stim spawns under! (It was invisible so likely bugged, but what a treat!)
As an emphasis.
On weapon safety, I would like to add a new mechanic to the game player.Must unload rifle before cleaning. Failing to unload a gun before cleaning results in a 50 percent chance of shooting yourself.
Funny thing about this mode, man made tools can still spawn. Was playing it yesterday and I found a hunting knife in the tool container going into the mines to Desolation Point. Pretty sure that is likely a glitch however, doesn’t seem like that should be possible.
Its a common content launch bug
i just started watching your channel, and the comparison between Misery and Loper are good as they show me the mechanics of both and how each play, helping me to plan out my first proper Loper run.
I recall hearing somewhere that the way sprain affliction when walking on uneven ground works is that the risk goes up the longer you stay on uneven ground (there's a red triangle above your sprint meter to indicate that), so, if possible, you want to move from one piece of even ground to another, when, let's say, scaling down from the summit, or you can use sprint to run up a hill to mitigate the risk.
You know, when Misery was first announced I figured it would be like Interloper. It would be hard, but eventually there would be "500 days Misery" playlists popping up. After hearing about broken body? Well....I'm gonna be shocked to see the first person reach 100 days!
One person reached Day 100 a couple days ago
@@Zaknafein woah! Who!? (How????)
@@yarro1965i assume they had practice playing nogoa, aka interloper with healing disabled except stims.
Early game misery is arguably easier than nogoa, as you can still heal, even if once you hit the 40 day mark even stins don't work anymore.
Yes! Ash canyon was in my plan too also for matches on the bridges.
Can you really get matches near the rope bridges in interloper/misery ? Still you get some in angler's den, foreman retreat, and the gold mine I think.
@@Bobywan75 I’m hoping for at least one pack🤞🏿 usually in stalker u get a lot I’m talking like 4-5 packs sometimes if u hit all the bridges, I believe in looper u get a couple.
@Reallategaming there are no paper matches in interloper, my friend. You need to plan for something else
@@fknutz4400 no prob still gotta get the back pack, those matches wud have just been extra. I kno of 3 guaranteed match spawns on the way
You can but they are rare
I love the non-vegan granola bar reference. 😂
Heavy hammer and hacksaw day 1?? That doesn't sound miserable at all!!
I noticed what I believe is also a change in wolf behavior. In the past if a wolf spotted you and was walking towards you but not within attack range you could hip shot the revolver and it would scare the wolf away. Since the update every time I do the same thing the wolf charges me even though it's a hip shot. I normally play interloper so not sure if I am miss remembering or not.
I noticed this in a lower difficulty too (its the second one i dont remember what its called). If you hip fire again and hit them in the tiny snow explosion that happens when the bullet impacts the snow they will run away. Same thing happens with aurora timberwolves. Idk if they will run away on the first shot if they get hit by the snow explosion or not or if hitting them directly with a hip fire will make them run away either.
Stage 6 happened a day ago, and my health doesn't regenerate when I sleep. I've been surviving for 48 days and I'm about to die. I lit a fire in the barrel in front of the trailer in Milton. The stars are out, it's a clear night- a beautiful night to die. Even if you have Level 5 cooking, there's still a risk of parasites when eating predator meat. Don't bother hunting bears; you might survive an extra week if you go and gather plenty of mushrooms. Lmao
One thing I've realized after playing misery. The few extra degrees of warmth that better clothing provides is nothing to be dismissive about, especially in this mode. When you run out of warmth, it's 1% condition per minute right? If better clothing provides, say, just an extra 5 minutes of not taking cold damage, that doesn't sound like much, right? Well, that is so wrong. This would apply every single time you're outside and start taking condition damage. On day 1, you lost an extra 5 percent of condition. On day 2, you lost another extra 5, and started losing condition several times after warming up today, so that's already 15 percent of your total condition that could have been prevented if you had just better clothing and had that extra five minutes of not taking damage every single time.
Keep warm, boyz.
I’ll be using this as a sort of guide.
Thanks Zak! So much effort drops absolutely fantastic videos
Thanks as always. I have mentioned in the comments of previous videos, I have never seen you in any video check the cabinets above the sink in the kitchen of the Community Centre in Thompsons Crossing.
May have forgotten them here but they are usually checked
Bro you are a master! You got blessed with pretty good weather conditions but it’s just crazy how knowledgeable you are about the game and optimal routing for so many things!
Misery mode , that’s my every day life.
Ooohhh finally it’s here! I’ve checked your channel every day since the update! I’m so glad to see the misery play through :3
Now every playthrough for the next few years will be on misery only
I left my bedroll on top of Timberwolf Mountain during my last interloper run, and I managed to score the technical backpack and three mackinaw jackets as well as the crampons. I was so on the verge of taking a break after a wolf killed me on the way back to the camp office, but the lure of Great Bear pulled me back in yet again. Can't wait to see how this goes for you, Zak! I'm not even TOUCHING Misery yet.
I think cougar rework will make this really interesting late-game. if the rework is the same as before then it is going to be very hard to stay in one region.
Yay I love this so far Zak you are the best at explaining this game!!!
Day 14 for myself. Went to the farmhouse first and then to the barn next door and found a hacksaw and heavy hammer and a stim and flare gun inside the red barn. Birch bark nearby should be grabbed as well. Watch out for Mr. Bear 🐻
Bro you misspelled birch
@@DefinitelyNotAnAddict thank you 🙏 😬
What did you mean when you said "We're gonna choose female rather than male for reasons that will become apparent when the first affliction kicks in."?
been excited to see you cover this new game mode since I learned it was coming out!! can't wait to see more from you.
My Sunday companion with lunch. Thank you Zak. 💚
Great video as always Zak! Really interesting and helpful to see your approach to the mode, especially as compared to Interloper and NOGOA.
Good Luck Zak, with mastering Misery Difficulty
1:24:36 I'd personally rather spend the time looking for tea than heating up the tea :)
Let’s go Zak! Love your content buddy keep the grind up.
1:41:30 I noticed the ptarmigans need a little bit of time to spawn in when you leave a building. I could study that on the ones outside of Camp Office. So it's better to hunt one before going inside (in that case you needed to start a fire and estinguish your torch before approaching them or drop the torch from inventory to use the no noise bug !).
Worth noting that recipes can be made with ruined food to bring it back to a 100% condition meal, so saving the carrots might be worth it long term!
All my roleplaying gameplay has paid off lol, I try to always have and eat fresh food, I try play realistically without meta gaming. Setting my own restrictions. This feels like this will be the ultimate challenge.
Seeing you shouted out on the end trailer for the new stuff after ive been gone for a long time
Bro thats so awesome !!!!!!!
I'm kind of disappointed by the misery afflictions especially broken body. I haven't gotten a long enough run to get it yet but it's kind of discouraging that regardless of how I play it eventually the run will be put into the dirt via literal death of a thousand cuts. Not via a bear, wolf, or blizzard, but rather the fact that eventually the ticks of starvation and freezing will eventually and inevitably add up.
Especially since the weather and other settings seem to be about around the interloper standard. It's less beyond interloper and more interloper+
To be fair, the difficulty is called misery.
It seems to be targeted primarily at crazy nogoa players.
Edit:ah. Well, i guess well shall see?
A full night's sleep will diminish your thirst completely, which would cause condition loss. That means you can't sleep more than like 9 hours at a time
That won't be an issue. You will see why later in the run (it's affliction related)
Thanks for testing this Zak. Was gonna start a run, but fixes and shit. Looking forward to your input about cougar removal
Been waiting for this one, love this!
fav long dark youtuber !
keep it up :)
This the first episode I watched where I couldn’t feel sleepy from it being relaxing because it was intense.
They need to change the loot spawns to make it harder
YAY! I absolutely LOVE the intro music! So atmospheric!
Thank you for putting so many videos out surrounding these updates, Zak! It must be a lot of extra work and I appreciate the content!
Zak, I sincerely believe that they created this Misery difficulty JUST for you! Yep. I believe it. Everybody else that likes it is a bonus. I won't even touch it! Nope!
3:07 oh yes, the birch bark theory 😂😂
Really looking foward to this series! I don't know if I'd ever try it myself, but I imagine you're totally in your element with this thing. ;-) It does definitely feel less like a grind than NOGOA, since you got the time to prepare for it at the beginning. I don't get why they made the fixed Pleaseant Valley spawn, though. If it's for comparable starting conditions, like for competing or something, they could still have the spawn selectable if you want. But requiring a fixed spawn doesn't seem to make sense, especially when much of the rest of the game is random anyway. Figuring out how to do it from various spawns would be more interesting (and ultimately challenging) than always knowing where to go immediately.
Being a Stalker player and having a medium frequency of Interloper to play, it is very tough between life and death, and to survive 10 days in a real match, now I would say that you always fight for the cold and the health bar. Even if you have all kinds of resources, in the long term playing, you need to always make good decisions.
Kathy Dark and John Dark, the conquerors of The Long Dark
LET'S GOOO i've been waiting for this since misery dropped
I was literally waiting for this video!
Was waiting for this playthrough.
15:47 I agree, making the bear coat or similar things, for me makes no sense, because you are cold anyways. But on the upside, you don’t need to be greedy with the matches, because it’s definitively an finite run.
There were matches at Skeeter's ridge when I have tried this on my first try. On the shelf.
They are random. Sometimes there, sometimes not.
Can't wait for more episodes!
Hell yeah. This last update has me fired up
1:06:08 I really think it's worth it to only craft wound dressings when needed because a dressing weighs more than three times as much as the lichen to craft it. I've done this many times and never gotten an Infection because I couldn't craft dressings quickly enough.
What we have all been waiting for!
Goodness, I've only watched like 15 minutes and I feel like I'm missing out so much without far territories. I bought the game this much and I've been loving it, just wish I had the DLC.
Hitting 2 rabbits with 2 stones while on the run👌
Come on ! This is supposed to be hard ! 11 min in and you get hacksaw and hammer :D
In my interloper run, I got my hammer after 3 in game weeks and my hacksaw after 5 ! I had to go to HRV for my hacksaw because I could not find one in TWM, PV, ML, FM, BR, MT x_x
It's exciting to see you play this mode because I think I will never ever even try it :D
Do you plan to read that ice fishing book in the mountaineer hut for your long term fishing/snaring strat to get level 2 right away or could it be wasted time in this difficulty level ? It may be a good idea to remember it's there.
Really a great start for this run !
Hehe...the legendary Zak luck...😬😋
Every time Zak is trying to show us how hard something is in the game showers him with loot l😅
There is a joke out there that streamers have a special game version which gives them good loot early.
@@manbearpig342 Jokes say Zak always has this lunck because an other streamer, RandAlthor1966, cover for it with extreme bad luck....🤪
Kathy Bates, lolol! Heck yes, this is going to be brutal.
Just a note on the wolves: It's the same in Stalker, and they will attack back to back, but not at the same time.
Ptarmigans disappear 100% of the time when I step foot indoors. I assumed it was just how the game mechanics worked. Have I just been unlucky dozens of times?
Oh, I'm really looking forward to this video. I've been watching the series „Road to 500 days“ every day for a few weeks. I'm now on episode 46.
But this video will be a little change from the series marathon.😂
I binged watched it until the the newest episode, it is great 🙂
Good video as usual! I found it funny that on your survival stats you pointed out that it said you survived 70 days on misery, but it also said you spent 77 days in pleasant valley
Haha weird bug. Also someone just managed 100 days in Misery so 70 isnt that insane
That is absolutely wild!
There one can see, how good you are 👍 good luck to al of you, I will not try 😅btw, the storm is not sounding like storm, more like the end of the world 😑 but it is rainy here also now, I'm happy, it was too warm before 😓
Nice video👍🏾
I found the Thermos once at the ice fishing hut in PV as well, it may be there if you pass by later
Zak. Really a hacksaw is life. Breaking down things and firewood is key. I would sacrifice my hatchet or knife for a saw.
imo (as a lowly voyager) the only way to create a mode that players can't eventually conquer is to remove guaranteed spawns from this mode. That knowledge already provides an advantage to the player making choices.
I dont think that would matter much, because all that would influence is early game success. Once materials are found, the rest of the game would follow a similar pattern
@@Zaknafein fair. But dont you think that early game setup, and being able to get to things before the cold, frostbite, starvation etc set in would make a difference?
@@underreigns Yes, it does, but if you die early then you can just restart and try again. Death in the late game is more devastating.
In my Misery run, I also found the hacksaw and hammer pretty quickly in PV. I went to DP to forge and piled up on coals and stims along the way. I eventually made it to day 50 with my base at CH garage, but the game gets so punishing that I probably stop playing it soon and go back to the comfort of interloper. I never went to summit or AC in my run, but I managed to make the moose satchel.
Nothing prevents us from goating back down to Bitter Marsh and continue via Angler’s Den. We don’t *have* to get exhausted climbing the rope and take the long way around.
It’s much easier to skip Miner’s Folly and return to loot with the backpack
Intro music 👌🏼 Love it!
Always wanted to say that reishi is a Japanese word. Japanese doesn’t do compound vowels, each is pronounced separately, with two exceptions: ei which extends pronunciation of the e, and ou, which extends pronunciation of the o. Therefore, reishi isn’t pronounced like the Germans would, RYE•shee. It’s pronounced REH•shee (or RAY•shee for the more westernized tongue). Sorry, can’t help myself.
Thanx for another amazing guide.. this mode gives me an affliction called Thinky Pain 😂
this is exciting!
I would be able to do this but I'm stil excited to see this 😄
Interesting, I startet my run yesterday, didn’t know about the hacksaw thing, and decided to go to the plane crash first. Now on day 4 and it works pretty fine till yet… depends on the next affliction, I think.
From my first impression watching the first 20 minutes, going to the plane crash first was the right thing to do, because I found enough clothing to be warm indoors.
Oh wow...your description...I can wait.
Crazy rabbit stone accuracy loll
Hey Zak! I think the ptarmigans not being outside of Homesteaders is a bug with how they spawn. I notice this same thing happening around Camp Office. It seems that if you walk up on the area from elsewhere they will be there, but if you come out of a building they won't show up until you walk away (some distance idk) and come back. Homesteaders and Camp Office are the two main places I have noticed this phenomenon.
Edit: I see multiple others have noticed and commented. I think it is a bug and not intentional or coincidental weather change since walking away and coming back usually results in them still being there. What do you think? Should we expect this is going to happen and make fire outside if it is important to us to get them?