Brushy Bill Roberts In His Own Words: The Outlaw Years: Part 3 - The Death of Charlie Bowdre
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- Brushy Bill Roberts In His Own Words: The Outlaw Years: Part 3 - In this episode, I continue immediately following the killing of Tom Folliard at Ft. Sumner. I will read directly from William Henry Roberts' tape recorded interviews with William V. Morrison. I will discuss Roberts' account of the killing of Charlie Bowdre, the Kid's capture at Stinking Springs and his trial at Mesilla. Additionally, I will compare Roberts statements with those presented in the book, The Saga of Billy the Kid by Walter Noble Burns to show that the new claim by neo-historians, that Roberts obtained his knowledge of Billy the Kid by memorizing the Burns book is completely unfounded and not based on facts.
Previous Episodes In This Series:
Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy the Kid: Was He Illiterate? • Brushy Bill Roberts AK...
Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy The Kid: Could He Speak Spanish?
• Brushy Bill Roberts AK...
Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy The Kid: Did He Really Claim To Be A Member Of The James Gang? • Brushy Bill Roberts AK...
Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy The Kid: Was He Really Oliver P. Roberts, Born In 1879? • Brushy Bill Roberts AK...
Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy The Kid: Physical Similarities & Facial Recognition Study • Brushy Bill Roberts AK...
Brushy Bill Roberts In His Own Words: The Lincoln County War & Debunking The Saga Of Billy The Kid. • Brushy Bill Roberts In...
Brushy Bill Roberts In His Own Words: The Outlaw Years Part 1 Meeting Governor Lew Wallace • Brushy Bill Roberts In...
Brushy Bill Roberts In His Own Words: The Outlaw Years Part 2 The Death of Tom Folliard • Brushy Bill Roberts In...
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Alias Billy the Kid by William V. Morrison & C.L. Sonnichsen - amzn.to/3B3vH4H
The Return of the Outlaw Billy the Kid by W.C. Jameson & Frederic Bean - amzn.to/3PKsbAt
Billy the Kid Beyond The Grave by W.C. Jameson - amzn.to/3yT85wT
Billy the Kid The Lost Interviews by W.C. Jameson - amzn.to/3odxqN9
The Saga of Billy the Kid by Walter Noble Burns - amzn.to/3B3qOsv
Billy the Kid His Life & Legend by Jon Tuska - amzn.to/3PnikAK
History of the Lincoln County War by Maurice G. Fulton - amzn.to/3PniLuS
The Lincoln County War: A Documentary History by Frederick Nolan - amzn.to/3cgjUFI
The Real Billy the Kid by Miguel Antonio Otero - amzn.to/3cs4CxD
The Tragic Days of Billy the Kid by Frazier Hunt amzn.to/3V92nk2
Billy the Kid: A Short and Violent Life by Robert Utley amzn.to/3AudpZc
Billy the Kid: A Handbook by Jon Tuska amzn.to/3IoRasE
The Capture of Billy the Kid by James Earle - amzn.to/3WLvzia
Willson & the Kid by Donald Lavash - amzn.to/3i5YpuR
Violence In Lincoln County by William A. Keleher - amzn.to/3zgOmZo
The Illustrated Life And Times Of Billy The Kid by Bob Boze Bell - amzn.to/3v2WTg1
Henry Brown The Outlaw Marshal by Bill O'Neal - amzn.to/3K2ZbUD
J. B. "Billy" Mathews: Biography of a Lincoln County Deputy - amzn.to/3Yr4dPn
Previous Episodes In This Series:
Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy the Kid: Was He Illiterate? www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m8H-...
Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy The Kid: Could He Speak Spanish?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGVw1...
Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy The Kid: Did He Really Claim To Be A Member Of The James Gang? www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQYrX...
Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy The Kid: Was He Really Oliver P. Roberts, Born In 1879? www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK9oR...
Brushy Bill Roberts AKA Billy The Kid: Physical Similarities & Facial Recognition Study www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8Kpy...
Brushy Bill Roberts In His Own Words: The Lincoln County War & Debunking The Saga Of Billy The Kid. www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM0Rv...
Brushy Bill Roberts In His Own Words: The Outlaw Years Part 1 Meeting Governor Lew Wallace www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHYa0...
Brushy Bill Roberts In His Own Words: The Outlaw Years Part 2 The Death of Tom Folliard www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCtlw...
Brushy Bill was a liar and a fraud. Look at his attached earlobes. Billy the Kids are plainly hanging earlobes.
Great episode Brett, and I'm convinced somewhere, pictures exist of Brushys scars that Mr Morrison took, that match up with the ones Billy had. Firm believer Brushy was Billy, and someday maybe those pictures will surface. Thanks again Brett for all your great research. 😊👍❤️
My 2nd great grandmother was Odilia Maxwell. She was a younger sister to Paulita Maxwell. Odilia was around 10-11 years old when the supposed killing of Billy the kid was killed at Fort Sumner. Family folklore states it was not Billy the kid. Pat Garret was hiding under a bench in the hallway and shot a man with a double barrel shotgun. Garret was a coward and shot the wrong man.
If you're willing, I would love to interview you about this for an upcoming video. If you're interested e-mail me at brushybret@yahoo.com
I've done a lot of research over the past, and all the stories from every angle,, and I think,, pat garratt was a back shooter, Bob certainly got what he deserved,, my conclusion is that bushy bill, was Billy the kid,,
@@brianmanley1079 you are correct sir! He was a coward wearing a badge. There is still lots of them out there! I know what my family stated through the years about it. I’ve always said if a man ever tells the truth about his life it will be in his last years. He is going to meet his maker!!
@wildestcowboy2668 who did he say that he was then?
Pat did ambush billy with a shotgun that's the real story .
I have long believed old Brushy Bill was Billy the Kid. I thank you for your research and presentation.
Brushy Bill without a doubt was Billy the Kid, everything matches up if you've read some of these books being referred of. And SHAME on the state of New Mexico for putting tourists dollars above making history right.
It's all about the money, never the truth, because they have and will continue to make more money peddling lies rather than admitting the truth that Billy and Brushy are one and the same.
I agree 💯
Brett, I really enjoy your narratives and research presented. You do an exceptional job. Thank you for your series on Brushy. I feel the same as you, it's amazing how mainstream historians refuse to accept anything that goes against their norm.
I truly recon the facts themselves prove he is genuine and is Billy. It's awesome to hear Billy's life through his own eyes.
True history is so skewed by the writers of the day, trying to embellish the real story, or follow a scripted narrative as they were instructed. I look forward to your future endeavors, including volume 4 of Brushys story. Keep up the good work!
Listening to Robert's account of his capture and trial was not only fascinating but confirmed a couple of thoughts I've had for some time. In regards to Deputy Olinger, in today's Law Enforcement world, his behavior would not have been tolerated for long. From his taunting of prisoners and his threats against them, it is clear he would have been ( most likely ) fired for cause and blacklisted from working in Law Enforcement in any jurisdiction. It is also clear that Pat Garrett was deathly afraid of the Kid, and that if they had been friends once, that was long gone by this point. I believe that Garrett lied about killing Billy the Kid and did what he had to do to cover it up and save himself. Garrett seems to come of as a hired [[ elected ]] killer who enjoyed shooting people [[ without confirming who they were before shooting ]] by acting as a bushwacker.
I agree with your thoughts on Garrett, ambush killer without confirming identity. With regards to modern law enforcement, you don't need to spend much time with RCMP in Canada to see antagonistic, unprofessional and violent behavior.
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Im a Billy The Kid fanatic. Through the years I have read and seen enough evidence to convince me that Brushy Bill was in fact William H Bonney. Especially with him having all the war wounds and intel about certain events that nobody would know unless they were there. Thats just my opinion tho.
I really love the in depth research that you do. Wonderful job.
Very nice work Brett. Thank you for the information! Very interesting. That was truly a wild time and place to be living in. Keep em coming! Thank you
Thank you Brett, great stuff right there, look forward to the next chapter.
Man im 50 and love stories on the kid.But ill tell ya what aint nobody ever covered it like you.Dang good job.I believe the brushy was the kid and after your vidoes i know he was.Shoot who wouldnt.Great job bro keep em comin
Interesting and informative. Excellent photography job enabling viewers to better understand what/whom the orator was describing. Class A research project!!! The kid was rail 🚆 roaded. Others were involved with the assassination of sheriff Bradey.
Great stuff! Far and above what I’ve read and heard on this topic. Where can we get your book?
after listening to Brushy Bills Roberts stories . Only a person there could tell this story. Brushy is Billy.
Continued from the comment on this account from Frank Clifford (posted in Part 2), Clifford says (following Bowdre's death):
"After a couple of hours, the Kid managed to untie Rudabaugh's horse and was getting it into the shanty, intending to make a breakout, but the horse was shot and killed by Pat's men, and it fell with its body blocking the door.
"About noon or a little after, Pat's men were cooking themselves some bacon and coffee, as no one had eaten since dinner the day before. The Kid's gang were holed up so they could not even have a fire, and it was pretty cold, and that bacon and coffee must have smelled good. Pat and the Kid had been talking back and forth most of the time, Pat trying to get the Kid to come out and surrender.
"In the end, the Kid agreed to surrender if they would guarantee him a fair trial in court, and protection from lynching, which Pat eventually agreed to. On that the Kid and what was left of his gang came out with their hands up. The first thing the Kid said when he saw the posse was, 'Pat, you so-and-so, they told me there was a hundred Texans here from the Canadian River! If I'd a-known there wasn't no more than this, you'd never have got me.'
"But Pat and the rest just laughed, and they all went back to Fort Sumner, where they split up, our men coming to White Oaks to join us, and the Kid's gang being taken to Lincoln, and from there to Los Cruses [_sic_] or Mesilla, I cannot now recall which. He was tried and sentenced to be hung, and brought back to be confined in the Lincoln County Jail until the date set for his execution. I never heard what became of Rudabaugh and Wilson (if that was his name).
"Talk about a vicious-looking countenance, Rudabaugh really had one! He was tough all the way through, and he showed it. One look at his eyes gave him away for what he was, mean all the way. I saw him once, when I was working on the Bell Ranch. A man by the name of Wilson was with him, and I think he was the other member of the Kid's gang but I am not sure. Wilson may not have been his name, but it was what he called himself there.
"Two men rode up to the home ranch that night, at the Bell Ranch, and asked to stay all night. They ate with us, slept in the bunk house with all their clothes on, and never took off their guns that we saw. They probably slept with them on all night. Next morning they ate breakfast and rode on. We could tell the big fellow was a killer. He looked it. His eyes showed it. We were remarking about it, when along came Cape Willingham with the mail, practically on the heels of the two strangers, who had hardly got out of sight. Cape brought the Las Vegas newspaper, carrying the story of what these two had been up to...
"The day before they arrived at the ranch, this fine pair had ridden to Las Vegas, where Dave Rudabaugh and 'Wilson' had tried to rescue a friend of Rudabaugh's from jail. Dave and 'Wilson' rode up and told the jailer to let the fellow out. The jailer refused, and Rudabaugh killed him instantly, took his keys, and opened the jail. Strange to say, his pal refused to come out, so Dave and 'Wilson' gave up arguing with him, and rode away. There was a lot of feeling in Las Vegas about that, and I guess plenty of people would have liked to see Dave Rudabaugh swing for the killing of the jailer.
"Many folks felt sorry for Bowdre's death. He was a right decent fellow, and well-liked despite the fact that he had joined up with the Kid's gang."
Deep Trails in the Old West: A Frontier Memoir, Frank Clifford, ed., by Frederick Nolan, 2011, pg., 88-90.
The memoir of Clifford was written 1940 by but was never published, remaining in the family for more than fifty years. That means, Clifford's account of Billy the Kid was not known prior to the 1980s at least. Thus, many of what he says confirms Robert's account.
I was curious as to what happened too all the material Ola Everhard compiled.. do you have any idea?
Excellent work by the way..
I have copies of some of her materials that I received from Bill Tunstill. I know that her husband Aubrey gave a lot of her stuff to researcher Bud Hardcastle, who used it in writing his book on Dalton. Thanks for watching.
@@brushybret that’s pretty awesome! I just remembered from her interview she sounded like she had accumulated a lot of information.. thanks for your reply.
Hey Brett much thanks for your research and details of the events at that time in history , I'm begining to understand what was going on behind the seen as I have read Wallace's memoirs and he was frustrated by the ring and didn't have the power to save the kid , but since he tried to replace bristol with ira lenard , probably there was a deal made with Mrs mc sween because why was Garrett in white oaks when the kid escaped Lincoln really and then poe was there shortly before that July night in 1881 and later we find out he was in on the cover up , there was deal probably , Wallace was bewildered and frightened by the power of the ring . And yes was agitated by Billy's popularity but not enough to want him dead , Wallace was ex military and probably in some way or another admired the kids moxy especially for a kid with a baby face to have real guts and courage to go against the ring in which even Wallace had problems with they're power
Walter Burns may have written a book but it's full of alot of crap. I read it and others and I must say it has too many discrepancies
Once again brett,,you have done amazing research,,I can't get enough of it mate,,very much looking forward to more,,,cheers mate👍👍🇦🇺
Thanks for watching.
Brett were you able to get your hands on the tapes by chance ? Would love to put a voice to the face of brushy. Was there any descriptions of how Billy Sounded?
Not yet, I'm still working on it. I do have a copy of his interview with Morrey Davidson, where he talks about J. Frank Dalton, that I received from Bill Tunstill back in the 90s. When I used to work at the Museum in Canton as an archivist. I digitized it and me and my good friend, Dr. Jannay Valdez, would often make copies for people and give them away. Some of these have turned up on youtube, which is fine, but I really wish people would credit Bill for finding them on their videos, as he had to go through a lot to obtain the original recordings.
@@brushybret amazing, that is a shame about the credit pilfering that's going on.
They should hire you as a writer or consultant for the 2nd season of Billy the Kid.
@@brushybret Brett have you uncovered any information from Morrison/Tunstill that Brushy Bill knew that Doc Scurlock was living in Eastland Texas???? Which from Hico is only 60 miles away!!!
You are very thorough in your research I like that I have one question where can I find the recording of Roberts being interviewed by Walter Noble Burns is that why do you only available in transcript?
2 copies of the interviews were known to exist. The first set of copies were in the possession of Roberts' step-grandson, Bill Allison. These tapes were loaned to researcher Frederic Bean sometime in the late 80s. W.C. Jameson wrote a book about this set of tapes in the book, Billy the Kid: The Lost Interviews. When Bean had the tapes, he noted the poor condition they were in, primarily due to the manner in which they were stored. Nonetheless, he transcribed them and these transcripts served as the premise for the book that he and Jameson collaborated on, The Return of the Outlaw Billy the Kid. Following Allison's death, the tapes along with Roberts' trunk were taken by a family member. And from there no one knows what became of either the tapes or Roberts' trunk. As far as the 2nd set of tapes goes: I found a letter Morrison wrote just a few months before his death revealing the location of the tapes. Right before the pandemic hit in early 2020 I contacted the institution and was told they had several items donated by Morrison, and they believed they might have them and just had to figure out exactly where they were being stored. The pandemic forced us to temporarily pause in our search efforts, but I'm optimistic that sometime in the near future I'll be able to locate them...if they still exist. If I do locate them, I will put them up here on UA-cam. The audio tapes were available for public viewing in the 1950s - the 1970s. The Westerners Club had them for a while, as did the El Paso Rotary Club, and the Missouri Historical Society. When Morrison died in 1977 is when they went out of circulation. I talked to Leon Metz back in 2005 as he and Morrison were friends and lived only a couple of blocks from one another, and he confirmed that he listened to them while they were on loan to the El Paso Rotary Club. I have letters from Phil Rasch thanking Morrison for allowing the Westerners Club to host them. In part 4 of this series I show correspondence between Robert Mullin and Morrison where they discuss Mullin listening to the tapes and him being impressed by Roberts' statements. Thanks for watching.
well done.
I have a deep connection to Billy from NM with family from Lincoln.
Great research....
Donkey’s are great animals…we have two and they literally stand as security for our mini horses!! And donkeys will not play around with any K9 and that is a fact!! I have witnessed our biggest donkey destroy a coyote in less than 15 seconds…brutal!
Ok ive listened to them all! I need more!! Lol
They're coming! Thanks for watching.
@@brushybret anxiously waiting for them! You've done such a great job researching every angle. Bravo sir
For all the disclaimers ,,, if brushy bill wasn't billy the kid . Then who was he then ???? . Brushy was shot and stabbed all them times, by who .bet $50 no 1 can answer my ? . And back it up with the evedence
Both birth dates don't match so how can he say he was billy
@@darryllucas7032 wipe ass on paper son , then read the fine print some more, with them prick ears
Is that a potrait of billy the kid on the cover of the book
Whoa!!!if billy the kid resembles custer so much, then billy the kid was the one who relocated the treasury elsewhere? he would been a boat navigator and would have known LL and the cantrells, and the killlions, and the fletchers lol
Were any handwriting comparisons ever done
Very cool
But isn't it possible that Brushy read all the other books mentioned?
Most of the sources cited weren't published until after Roberts' death in 1950.
@@brushybret wow! That's awesome
I would be just as impressed if a 90yr old person could read and memorize all that content in detail
I thought Los Vegas was just a small town until the mob moved in.... very interesting.
Las Vegas, New Mexico
So my question is, what does brushy bill say about the night that Billy was supposed to be killed ?
Here is a link to that video, thanks for watching. ua-cam.com/video/MoENksTHowM/v-deo.html
SHAME ON NEW MEXICO FOR NOT CORRECTING HISTORY FOR TOURIST DOLLARS.
I'm a great grandson of billy he died of old age
From what I've read, I think Bill Robert was Billy the Kid.
I think more research is required.
What is needed is a DNA analysis. There must be a way to compare DNA from Billy's relatives to Brushy Bill's DNA, right? Brushy Bill may have been the Kid, but I'm not convinced.
@@TonyVega123 true
@Talorc MacAllan it is believable plus his wounds that is called scars of proof.
@@TonyVega123 Unfortunately, no known relatives of Billy the Kid exist. In the early 2000s two New Mexico law enforcement officers attempted to exhume the body at Ft. Sumner, Catherine Antrim, William Henry Roberts, and John Miller in an attempt to settle this debate once and for all through DNA testing. However, the powers that be in New Mexico fought this every step of the way by filing a series of frivolous lawsuits and by attacking the two officers directly, to the point that they both eventually resigned their positions with the Lincoln County Sheriffs Department. As for Roberts, contrary to the claims made by those that support maintaining the historical status quo, he also has no known direct descendants, only a few very distant cousins and step relatives. I will be covering this in a future video. Thanks for watching.
@@TonyVega123 I agree with you. but theres teo much money to be lost. if they ever did dna test. then one of the two museums wouldn't make money anymore. those towns rely on the billy the kid story.
Billy the kid appears as one that would wear glasses
As much as we all fantasies I want to believe billy escaped, there are so many holes in all the stories but let's all wobble our heads ...., Pat ambushed him and didn't give him a slight chance..... Like Tom and Charlie he fucked them all and let Pat live with that ..,. R.i.p you free spirited three young men 💔
Yeah, Charlie!
Didn't brushy bill say he was left handed though bc everyone at the time thought he was. .but then they found out out picture was reversed and he was really right handed. So that would prove that he wasn't billy the kid . I heard he said he was left handed not sure
No, he said he was ambidextrous. Newspaper reporters that were present at the meeting with Governor Mabry noted that Roberts wrote with his right hand and buttoned his jacket with his right hand as well. There is a lot of bad information being circulated online by those who seek to discredit Roberts. Thanks for watching.
@@brushybret oh ok thanks . That makes sense. Alit of history that has been written facts have been unknown.
I only have one problem with brushy being billy. Garrets actions that night clearly were to kill the kid. So why did he knowingly not kill him and let him go? I cant think of any logical or belivable reason to acceot that part of ut all. Other than that its hard to say he wasnt the kid
I will be covering this in the next chapter of this series. Thanks for watching.
@brushybret that's awesome! Thank you, I can't wait to watch
Brushy Robert's was billy Wilson
Brushy is billie
Brushy was not billy birth dates dont match so Brushy is fake
Brushy bill, bloody bill anderson,....Brushy creek native? Just keywording
You should know that is not a photo of Dave Ruddebaugh. It’s just a random photo of a guy from Minnesota or Wisconsin. The photo was purchased at an antique store. The guy who bought the photos falsely claimed they were of famous people from the Lincoln county war.
I heard billy rode a white horse
Did brushy bill roberts speak fluent spanish?
Yes, he did, and if you look in the description box below, there is a link to a video that I made that shows evidence and source citations that confirm this. Thanks for watching. ua-cam.com/video/oGVw1RMxjWg/v-deo.html
@@brushybretthis is so interesting. Good job . He's definitely the kid from all the info and your research and debunking. I d love to hear the actual tapes of brushy .the voice of Billy the kid. Wow . Appreciate it if you could make sum videos with the voice of the legend. And your a legend. Love from BRISTOL ENGLAND.❤👍
Brushy bill looked alot like Custer didnt he??? Then again brushy bill resembled "texas jack" onmuhundro. Ah gunfighters could photoshop!!!
I’m all for a good conspiracy. The only thing I see that could be a total disaster to the comparison of Roberts to Bonney is that all these books were out to the public for Roberts to read and study. If he was a broken man, desperate for money and fame, the man could of study the whole shabam .
The problem with this theory is that most of the publications that verified Roberts' accounts weren't published until after his death in 1950. The 1950s were what I consider to be the golden era for revelations and details about Billy the Kid and the Lincoln County War, with the emergence of researchers and authors like Rasch, Mullin, Keleher, Briehan, etc.etc. The books published before that time were riddled with errors, omissions, and falsehoods that if Roberts repeated would've been extremely damaging to his claim.
For those who say brushy Bill could of read all this information is simple wrong. Brushy was quite illiterate and could barely read or write. He gave information that even historians didn't know, but proven correct later
Billy the Kid Tintype is a shaved Dave Rudabaugh, just sayin
Really interesting but is it necessary to keep saying 'and quote'?
Unfortunately, I have to do that when citing the exact words from published sources, or else I face the possibility of being accused of plagiarizing the works of others. I am well aware that it can seem redundant at times. Thanks for watching.
There is a right way to do things and a wrong way to do things. Brett is doing it the right legal way using the word "quote". Better to do it legal than illegal and get sued.
End quote....that way you know when he's done being quoted, otherwise it would be difficult to know what was the direct word's of brushy or the narration.
Brushy was not the kid.
What specifically makes you think that?