Let's set the record straight... Jontron, Pewdiepie, Colin Moriarty, Phillip De Franco
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- It seems like a lot of people in the industry are having a tough time right now, sometimes by choice, and sometimes by the 'out rage' machine. Jontron is under fire for his opinions about people of color and immigration. Pewdiepie because he is a "anti-Semite'. Colin Morarity of kinda funny games is now a 'terrible monster' and the kind of funny team is 'sexist'. Phillip defranco is under fire for making political oriented content.
Today I wanted to talk about those issues, about why I rarely talk about those issues, and what I really think about this kind of stuff.
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"The rest of this stuff, i'll leave it up to you guys. I'd rather just play nintendo." Those words are words to live by.
Yeah, it's fun to disengage until men in black suits start beating down your door.
umm, african-american suits, and I'll thank you to remember that.
fiveinchesofwow they're on our doorstep because people are too blind to understand the danger of isis. not because people would like to shut out the real world for a little while not thinking about issues effecting politics.
fiveinchesofwow you playing on youtube puts you in a place of superiority /s
fiveinchesofwow - we should be yawning. the bulk of the worlds military might is in england, france, germany and the united states.
our people are pro freedom and, as much as we like to deny it, most of us wouldn't say no to a fight with an antagonistic dickhead.
what are they gonna do? the west will be around, making jokes, long after islam as a whole is dead, much less some pitiful children throwing a tantrum 'cos the non-islamic world is better than them in every metric. fuck isis.
That was really all Colin said? That, to me, could almost even be a "dad joke"...
Abstract yup people have lost their minds the shit is to funny I blame Facebook
Abstract he should've added an AMIRITE at the end.
Abstract I personally don't see how people are mad at that. It was a joke, let it go.
He could have...There is no necessity to do so. Otherwise, they overreact, which they did.
The crazy thing is, if this was said in a stand up by a comedian it wouldn't even get highlighted. I personally think the joke was quite funny and personally think people that were 'outraged' by the joke need to learn to laugh at themselves from time to time
Boogie is the perfect example about how you can have different opinions but be friends with a person.
Fyrnty If Boogie says "pewdiepie made a stupid joke but we're still friends" fine whatever. If you say "Jon went on a podcast and started spewing made up Rascist statistics but we're still friends," it makes me question who you are.
It's his personal opinion, you may share different ones but if you and that person honestly share a bond then something like that should not get in the way.
Who can imagine such a world where we can disagree, and not unfriend each other and spread rumors and try to kill each others' careers!
www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/03/23/poor-white-kids-are-less-likely-to-go-to-prison-than-rich-black-kids/?.4af884af8304 I looked it up, and here's a prison rates statistic showing (at least in THAT YEAR ALONE), African Americans went to prison more.
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Especially in consideration with black on black crime. You would think we'd be more upset by that than people pointing it out, but I digress entirely.
"There are people addicted to outrage... who are addicted to this power to destroy people"
Indeed.
Basically, politicians, social justice warriors, and the mainstream media.
Fuck SJW's
noob BLOXXER is that humanly possible?
I'm addicted to bad jokes, hughmungus what?
It's more funny because everyone just picks a side and doesn't actually want to co operate or discuss, they just want to debate. Which people think debating is good, but I think it's the worst social pass time since social media started existing. And twitter is plagued with people either trying to prove themselves right or defaming others because they said some offensive tweet 7 years ago. It's bullshit, and that's why I will never get a Twitter account.
I love how level-headed Boogie is. Keep doing you, man.
Ready Up Live I think you mean vapid and meaningless.
Ready Up Live one of his split personality's.
I agree, he really puts things in a different perspective
yeah it's very refreshing to see someone who disagrees with someone but believes in freedom of speech. this is why i love boogie
Yeah it's refreshing to see a fence sitter on UA-cam that makes shit fucking content and cannot deliver critical analysis. Great content don't you think?
Boogie is UA-cam's Switzerland.
and that means?
orgrimar96 He's neutral!
yeah tru
Geographically he's about as big as Switzerland too XD
. . . but for real though his views are always refreshing
He takes Nazi gold and claims to be neutral while allowing fascists to exist because taking a principled stance against the threat of the far right might get him in trouble with those that surround him?
Boogie should go on the H3 podcast
The H3 podcast
what a smart troll...
+Diadorax "That weird jew" lmao nice
Stop trolling and go eat something that humans arent supposed to.
+The ShoeNice holy shit the legend has spoken
I think you're one of the most adult people on the internet, Boogie. People might misconstrue your opinions as being "on the fence," but I think you display traits that most people nowadays don't have, which is being tolerant of other people's views. People seem to think that being tolerant of other people's opinions means you have to agree with them to some extent, and that's not true. Being tolerant only means that you disagree with them, but you also treat them with respect. Jon's opinions about race might be uneducated and dumb, but that doesn't mean he should be attacked for it. I think he genuinely thinks these things, not out of malice, but because he just thinks a certain way.
CrimsonOptics Boogie is what American liberals should be.
Seth Freakin' Rollins No, he is what most people should be.
its videos like these that make me love boogie so much. keep it up man :)
CrimsonOptics put pp
CrimsonOptics I enjoyed reading your words. They appeared thoughtful and measured. Truly, a rarity to find in any comment section.
Centrism is so passive
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" - Evelyn Beatrice Hall (28 September 1868 - 13 April 1956)
i thought that was voltaire
Erwin Scheijde The problem with that quote is that it should be read in reverse. I'll defend your right to say whatever it is you want, and then call you an idiot for doing so.
it was definitely Voltaire who originally said that quote.
that's not who said that quote.....
Voltaire also said "to know who rules over find who you're not to question"
And it's clearly white cisgender males Nazi scum. You're turning America into Nazi Germany!
*Get out of here Nazis!!*
You can't change somebody's mind with hate, you can only change somebody's mind with love.
-Boogie2988 2017
Love you man if ya read this!
LOL.
Unfortunately that is bullshit and wont work in the real world sorry bud.
+Dumdumdumdum Dum
"You can change someone's mind with hate"
No you can't. You can change their actions and what they SAY their mind is, sure, but you can't change their mind with hate.
duddy o that shit is gay as fuck.
duddy o too bad these sjws won't take that advice
I don't want any of these people you listed not to be able to say what ever they think . That is fine . I also firmly believe that as much as your are free to say what you will you must be as willing to accept the consequences that come along as well. The government is not kicking in their door to keep them from talking . Their rights are not being taken away . Simply they dealing with the reaction to the things they said , from their fellow citizens who have the same rights to say what they wish also . If it is okay for them to say things other people see as offensive then they may hear things they perceive as offensive to them.
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Thats the catch. People think freedom of speech equals freedom of consequences, and others have the right to dislike and not support someone, even without reason
Did I miss the part where he spoke about Phil?
I must have missed it too, I've gone back through it and haven't found it
John Constantine I think he just said at the beginning that he's coming under fire for making political content but he didn't really go into depth with it
he's been on phil's podcast, which is what he thought that was a reference to, as him and phil talk about this sort of stuff together
soundcloud.com/philip-defranco-56351909/how-to-get-laid-at-a-funeral-w-boogie2988-lmmt-16
"And to try to encourage people to stop being so far left, stop being so far right, and find the place in the middle." Hey buddy, follow your own advice and try to discourage Jontron from being so far right and white supremacist. Cause right now you're doing and standing for nothing, sitting in the middle.
saying that being in the middle is "doing nothing" is objectively wrong. stop trying to force people into extremes and taking sides
@@megantheescallion8565 how is he trying to force him to do anything? He said he should follow his own advice and discourage blatant racism and white supremacy
@@megantheescallion8565 Standing in the middle is doing nothing How can you middle man White supremacy? You can't. This is the precise issue MLK and Malcom X had to deal with Liberals tryna find a middle Ground between White Supremacy and General Equality it's one or the other
With Pewdiepie I don't get the whole "Tasteless" crap if im being brutally honest. South park and Family guy can make edgy jokes and are always awarded, but Pewdiepie is apparently tasteless? Don't be silly. Anywho love you Boogie
Pewdiepie had a Disney contract....
Ali I feel the same, I don't like South Park jokes but I do like FG and Pewds
well that and how most of these detractors tend to worship people like Sarah Silverman (who has dressed as Hitler's and done blackface, remember).
Just wanted to point out some hypocrisy.
I fee like the main difference between Pewdieie and other people he is compared to is audience. In one of Philip DeFranco's vids, he compares Pewd's situaation to a comedian like Bill Burr. The thing about Burr and shows like South Park is that they are targeting adults specifically. Pewdiepie attracts a large portion of underage children as his base.
A balanced perspective, and refreshingly positive.
What? JonTron was talking about how the white gene pool is being diluted and boogie was just like "oh well at least he's thinking for himself" how is Nazi apologism "a balanced perspective"
Rob ert I haven’t checked out this stuff myself and I kind of don’t want to. I’m being exposed to a lot of negativity coming his direction, which definitely is somewhat impacting me even though I don’t know the full story. I don’t want to connect JonTron with politics at all, It saddens me that I were exposed to it.
Noddi I agree, stuff like this makes me very sad
Yeah but it's real and by ignoring it you are being a coward. Well I really like Walmart and I know they abuse their workers, but I don't want think about it lol
I always set boogie2988 videos to 480p... You know, just to get that old school feeling.
:DDD
fuck my videos auto into 240p
Cheap Tech I have no choice but to play all videos at 480p. My internet sucks.
I'm watching his videos at 144p, buffering every few seconds. Fuck me.
Facelord How do you buffer at 144p? Seek help.
We are living in a society that don't know what comedy is. Colin's comment was genuinely funny and even my sister laughed!
It was pretty tame, surprised about the reaction.
Exactly! I've heard way worse before.
It was very much a dad joke. People finding genuine offence from that is something else...
No one was offended by that joke. No one. They just found it as a perfect thing to piggyback off of with their scorched earth philosophy. If you are not with us, you are against us. It just had to be Colin this time.
IXoptimusIX I don't think is that we as a society don't know what comedy is, but rather we can't tell if it is meant as comedy. We can understand its meant as a joke, but without much context, people can't tell if it's a serious comment or a humorous attempt.
Colin and Pewdiepie made jokes that some consider tasteless. Comedy is subjective.
Who cares what types of content Philip De Franco makes, he's free to make whatever type of content he wants.
JonTron said things that I don't agree with at all, but he's free to believe whatever. What he believes may be hateful to some or true for others, but again he has the right to believe whatever he wants.
Dumdumdumdum Dum trying to destroy someone's career over a joke isn't criticism, it's harassment.
Amen
freedom of speech is not freedom of consequence. they are free of saying whatever they believe but they also have to realize words have consequences
Fuckin Tracer Yay I can finally joke about the jews that hitler slaughtered. (I'm Joking)
Luis Martinez yeah obviously, and free speech also includes calling out the left on their bullshit
Honestly though, Free Speech =/= Freedom of consequences.
sure. but free speech=freedom from censorship. Many would rather censor others than listen to their ideas.
Freedom from *government* censorship. People and corporations are free to act in their own interest, and if, for example, I don't want to watch any more Jontron videos because of what he said, that's my right.
He should absolutely be allowed to say what he wants to say, and I should absolutely be allowed to react to that in any way I see fit (within reason, I'm not advocating violence here). You can't both say "This man can say whatever he wants" and also say "This person(or company) must support him!" even if those things are antithetical to their values, or even just because it hits their pocketbook in some way.
Prince Fabulous
Calling him a clown? Hell no, it's clowns like YOU who just simply think you can say or do whatever you want without regards to how it affects anyone. Taking his argument and twisting it around to make it seem like he was actually making a comment of what should happen. Basically just shoved words in his mouth.
If that bothered you, I'm pretty sure then that's because you don't like the idea that you might have to one day pay up for how you act online much like how you would act in reality because the internet was placed into our laps without any form of barricading people from turning into self entitled children who think they deserve everything and can behave how ever they want.
Why is Defranco in the title? You don't talk about him.
Charlie Thales he mentioned him but didn't talk about him.
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Charlie Thales his stuff has to do with behind the scenes stuff. I bet boogie contacted him, and philly D didn't want it published so boogie edited it out
MerkTV Then Boogie could always change the title. He can change it any time he wants, free of charge, with little effort.
Charlie Thales check out the Podcast where all of these UA-camrs came together in one stream
Colin's joke was lit
If a famous woman tweeted the exact same thing but with the hashtag #adaywithoutmen they would have been praised and lauded as a genius.
his partner said it was funny to
Stop saying, "lit".
It was literally the oldest, laziest joke in the book. I don't think it deserved all of the hate, but if that was "lit" you've probably been on this earth a decade or less.
BrammerHammer23 Tim Buck says it would probably be Amy Schumer
did he mention phillip defranco? why put his name in the video
Joe Blackwater seems like he intended to but then completely forgot. He mentions him early but then never goes further.
seems like click bait.
because of clicks
It's clearly improvised, I don't think you should assume click bait or the worst.
Robert Halvarsson don't assume the worst? Is this UA-cam or not?
thank you for being calm, collected and considerate.
Preaching free speech on UA-cam!?! What is this nonsense?
Thanks for having the balls to upload this video.
Overlysensitive people, Overlysensitive people everywhere.. sad times we live in
Nosrep Suomynona
also allot of people like you who only look at the surface of a complex situation
have you considered the possibility internet users use mass rage to destroy reputation for other reason?
such as indulging in a power Trip
Christian Weibrecht how is it complex? a lot of people nowadays tend to get butthurt or triggered by the simplest things.. simple humor gets a lot of people offended, that is a sign of mental disorder like that gender thing
I think some sensitivity is needed, but the way it's exercised now is death sentence, really.. It's more focused on being hurt and hurting the ones with the 'wrong opinions' first, not on how to make the issue better. It is hurtful, it should be.. but problem with many countries is people are hiding their inner racist/sexist/other-ists to not step on anyone's toes/ be good, and that doesn't help us grow
I don't agree that it's a sign of mental disorder, because these are matters that are so close to people's basic rights/identity
Nosrep Suomynona sad but true. People are such sensitive bitches these days. You can't joke/mess with anyone anymore. Might as well not even talk to anyone now.
Isn't it "Overly sensitive people"?
You need to keep the words separate. You just offended the overly sensitive people.
I feel this quote fits here....
"George Carlin - Political Correctness is fascism pretending to be Manners"
What happened to Phil??
+MistaCloudStrife he is having a rough week due to some internal and external friction relayed to his news show
Did he elaborate why?
I like Phil for being rather center /neutral and I hate to see him go.
I watch his videos too but he only lightly touch on the subject as far as I'm aware. I think it's because of advice he takes from his lawyer that he doesn't disclose what his situation looks like and what's going on. This is just speculations mind you. But if his lawyer is involved in any way, it has to be a shitfest of a mess he's in.
Yeah, I saw he took a week off. For someone who still churned out videos back in the day even when was burned out, to take a week off is crazy. I can only assume it's something pretty big. Hopefully he gets over this hump. I know he's trying to scale up, get a new place and has bigger plans for his channel. I just hope everything goes well. And I dunno. The week just doesn't feel the same without watching his channel.
MistaCloudStrife I feel the same way. I hope it all turns out well.
Do I agree with Jon's opinions? Fuck no. Do I think he deserves all this hate? Again, fuck no.
Tim: God of Time in that case Anita sarkisian (who I wholeheartedly despise btw) doesn't deserve the hate she gets
poisontaco55 jon tron has never pushed his agenda on anyone. he simply spoke out. anita is a different story. she has been using the victim complex for far too long and she insults others for their opinions. not a good comparison.
MrMcCoGo How so? Please give me examples.
Myrabbitsaninja you checkmated that MrMcCoGo guy.
Do I agree there "is no wrong opinion?" No. do I think it's very hard to find the correct one? Absolutely. Do I think the middle is always right? No. but do I think typically the extremity of sides taken are filled with people that have no desire to work with others,, to have a conversation, etc? Absolutely.
i agree
“Think for yourself and let others enjoy the privilege of doing so too.”
~Voltaire
You are a great mind, Sir Boogie...I salute to that.
You trust Voltaire?
Do you want me to tell you what he said about the Jews?
So takes away the whole point of this video....The quote being profound, the man possibly being a dick....thanks for understanding the point of my quote so intuitively (sarcasm, btw).
MuddaGoose this isn’t an issue of “thinking for yourself.” JonTron for example is just reciting standard whit nationalist talking points. That’s not independent thought.
I saw a video of you awhile back of you smacking your keyboard on your desk screaming in a high pitches voice which immediately made me write you off.
This, however, changes my mind completely. People call this videos opinions as being "wishy washy". No, this man is being understanding, open, mature, and most of all, realistic. The world is complicated, there is no one right answer, no single evil, no black or white. Boogie gets that. Good on you.
shutthefluffup You do realize that what you are descibing is a character skit, right?
MonadoKnight did you even read my whole comment?
Yeah, I think he did, not sure you referenced that
Apparently Boogie had the balls to upload this video! Right on man.
Very well said man, very well said. Pewdiepie's jokes he said were not half as bad as some of the stuff we have seen on South Park or Family Guy. It's the darkside of humor. Colin get's grilled for his Woman's Day joke but we've heard stuff like that for years from the likes of Jack Benny, Jackie Gleason, hell one of Gleason's main jokes is punching his wife in the face.
JonTron said some pretty messed up stuff whether he will change his tune later on who knows. People do have opinions and at sometime in life they do change. Will his...who knows? Good for you Boogie for doing this video and putting yourself out there and letting us know your thoughts on these situations.
Thanks for the upload Boogie. I am writing this under a different account because I don't comment with my normal account that's been subscribed to you for years. You have meant a lot to me because of your honesty and your vulnerability throughout the years. When I started following you I wasn't really into your work as a comedian, I was interested in your serious videos like this. However, maybe I've changed, maybe you've changed, I dunno, but I definitely enjoy your comedy now.
Anyhow, I just wanted to thank you. I don't entirely agree with you, but I do agree with the fact that you seem to always try to do what you feel is right and you really challenge yourself. You're one of the humblest youtubers around and the space that you create is a space that we need more of. I think if we had more spaces like this we would have more changing and growing and less fighting.
You are high on my list of people, living or dead, who I want to have a meal with. And definitely the only UA-camr on that list.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: you are perhaps the most tolerant person in existence, and the world needs more people like you.
I'm so fed up with how overly sensitive and politically correct this society has become. When did everybody become so fucking soft? You hit the nail on the head, I've always been a firm believer that that you should be able to use humor to make light of anything. Especially in situations that would normally cause pain. Do you mean that shit that coming out of your mouth? No, but wouldn't you rather joke about it, than have it destroy you?
Bo0nd0ck Games that’s because people have the platform to say what they want now. minorities have the right to talk now.
I miss how thoughtful Boogie used to be.
I came from the Jon-Destiny debate video, and god, you should have been the mediator for that discussion
I'm so pleased to find your channel, because personally I often feel like this, being on the fence and I know it comes off as not standing for one opinion... Watching you helps me sort through my own indecision/self-doubts
oh come on. the jontron drama is well deserved. coming out with statements like that in a live debate is going to get backlash because of inherit implication of racism. just because he is your friend doesn't mean you should disregard his harmful "opinions". i always considered you unbiased and it was a pleasure to see refreshing content. this is such a let down. :(
"credit him for not following a narrative"
he clearly is following the narrative that black people are inherently more likely to commit a crime based on their race. not to mention the other countless narratives he's following. a different opinion to mainstream or the left is fine but when it's outright racist, that's not okay. it's so harmful
You didn't say anything about Philip DeFranco and he was the main one I was curious about. All I know is that he isn't making videos this week but didn't give a detailed explanation.
Wait! Wait ... Wait ... #ADayWithoutAWoman got someone essentially fired? Jesus Christ husbands and wives say this shit about each other all the time. What the hell is the world coming to?
It's coming to an end, that's what.
What a intelligent, grown up point of view to have. Thanks for this, you made the world just a little bit better by saying this!
People upset with someone like JonTron are simply expressing their own free speech rights, just like he is. He has the right to say whatever he wants, but that doesn't mean he has the right to say it, free of consequences from the public. If they think what he says is fucked up, then they don't have to "tolerate" his opinions...they can just unsubscribe. In EXACTLY the same way we can recommend people, to others, that create good content, we can also warn people about those that create toxic content.
Given the times we're in, the outrage with his opinions aren't idle concerns. JonTron is throwing around some pretty evil, heavy racist shit in a time when we openly have white nationalist sympathizers in key roles in the white house. You insinuate that people are upset, because they need to be outraged about something or another, but holy shit dude, have you heard what this guy's been saying? This isn't some experimental off-to-college ideas, these are hardcore, bigoted, extremist viewpoints. I mean, honestly, what does it TAKE to be able to condemn someone here? Does he have to get a full blown pointed white hood, or what? People are upset because they're scared of where this country is headed, and the looming possibilities of war and fascism. So yeah, people are a little fucking touchy, and understandably so. Tension is high, man.
It's pretty easy to make a correlation between "tolerance and understanding" and "normalization". There's a backlash because some people refuse to accept that blatant racism is simply going to be acceptable as a thing that some, otherwise normal public persona, spouts off about. This is what free speech is all about. I don't want my grocer to start going off about "the Mexicans" when they're bagging my groceries either, and it's fair to say that their CHOICE to do say may affect their job. If you can't roll with the punches, maybe you shouldn't be trying to make a living off of show-biz, as public reactions, to your public opinions, comes with the territory.
Meanwhile, the church, and certain other conservative groups, have been trying to kill rock and roll, pinball, video games, horror movies, etc. for decades. Again - it's called free speech. If someone says something that makes you angry, you SHOULD be speaking up about it. When these ideas have to collide, which they often do, we have the conflicts that culturally define us...hopefully for the better.
Amen. Political correctness deserves to get flack, but the reason that it's a continuing process is that as time goes on, certain phrases and views become unprofessional, repulsive, and outdated. You're free to spout this shit, but you'll face consequences if you do so publicly.
I also chock this up to "no face syndrome" as I call it. Jontron and co. are public personalities, but it's a very different kind of celebrity from the tv and music stars, whose content is monitored for audiences and the public is always hounding them (paparazzi). Internet celebrities potentially don't have to have any face-to-face interaction with anybody and you won't be seeing news outlets following them around. Online, we are talking not truly to people but to computer monitors that spit out others responses in cold text… That just got meta considering it's 1 AM as I write this and I certainly have never met YOU in real life. But that's the point.
No u
“diluting the gene pool.” Yea ok
there's a difference between colin and pewdiepie making a joke and jontron actually being a racist. i hope you can see the difference as well.
I think it's time to leave the internet forever. Political correctness killed it.
Sad... but true... :/
The only thing that's left is twitch
Tacgnol But the porn?
+Pixel
You can keep the porn. Nothing else.
Actually. I'd say the overarching problem would be social media. In every form, it is an unproductive shithole, bereft of any real value to anyone or anything. It exists solely to suck people in to bullshit drama that has no relevance in their day to day lives. Even at its' best, it is still just second hand socializing, the McDonalds of social interaction. And the amount of attention it recieves is the only factor for its' own importance. Its' like the golden calf all over again. Get enough people to believe in something, and it becomes a god. Right now, social media is the new god. A god maintained through the worship of the stupid and impressionable. Their influence is only getting stronger. Just like McDonalds, this god may be impossible to stop in any capacity. The best you can do is steer clear.
Boogie, not sure if you'll ever read this, but thank you! Rarely have I seen people being so true to their own neutrality! These kinds of videos often devolve in someone trying to juggle defending their fellow creators, appeasing to the media and making sure people don't think they are racist/sexist/whatever. It's rare to see someone saying, honestly and with complete conviction, "let's talk about this! I'll wait for you on the middle ground!" I don't watch your videos very often, but it's very refreshing to see an opinion like this! Stay on your hill man! :)
when people picking on pewdiepie, jontron, etc and let filthyfrank, idubzz, and other things like those slide.. :/
that is some bullshit
tHeWasTeDYouTh Because their channels are the joke about it. They make content like that on purpose. They are the edgy channels. That's why they don't have the spotlight on them.
Real fans:
360p
My 2c; PDP is someone who I have no problem defending from media slander. The guy simply made a joke. You can make a reasonable argument saying that it went too far and he shouldn't have made it, and I can definitely see where you'd be coming from, but to say he's anti-semitic or a nazi or racist, etc, is stupid IMO. He's simply a rookie comedian who likes dark/edgy humor, and that's it. He's still a really good guy who's done far more help than hurt, far as I can tell.
Jontron, however.....Yeah, Jontron is a fucking dumpster fire and a half. Making entire rants about how minorities are trying to commit, "white genocide" and saying that they have, "contempt for America's culture", as well as baselessly generalizing black people and immigrants as criminals, etc etc; Those aren't fucking jokes. He's serious with that shit, the kind of shit you'd expect to see on a white-supremacist website. To quote someone who I no longer respect, "I ain't having that shit." He's allowed to spew whatever racist drivel he wants to, as that is his right, but he definitely deserves all the criticism he's receiving right now, and then some. Fuck this guy.
you're completely right and i agree
Some humans, like JonTron, are more human than others.
***** Yeah. That's what I was thinking.
Wasn't Collin Moriarty from fallout 3?
if my comment get lost remember me
Always.
Ron DS no
#NeverForget
To quote JonTron
AND IIIIIIIIIII
HOLY S**T!!
WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU
I CANT BELIEVE YOURE DOING THIS TO ME DANG IT
I shall always remember you, Jon PS
This why I never talk politics on the Internet. That's meant for home or private talk only, because that shit gets heavy handed quick.
Unfortunately, if you stay away from the politics, the politics will eventually come to you.
MoonSpirit it's not meant for home... it's meant for people who can fucking talk about
You're not being neutral you're being rational and intellectual two things the world are in short supply of.
There is a difference between anger and hate. A mother can be angry with her child but it does mean she hates them. Anger is normal in the appropriate situation for it is the thing that has started movements, revolutions, and ideological shifts that have made the world a better place. It attempts to work out a solution. Hate is bad. Hate is failure to come to terms with what is and doesn't want to change what is but destroy what is. Where as anger is understanding of both side, hate is blind and wants to eradicate the problem instead of fixing it. The worst part is that it is contagious, spreading like a wild fire, engulfing people in it's flames of wrath and fury until everything around us is blackened. It corrupts our lives filling us with unhappiness and hatred of ourselves consuming us in the process. We are blinded by it as we seek not to work out the issue but destroy each other. Where are we as a country and what do we truly want as a nation. Let us realize this and guide us towards a future without the flames of hatred so that we may come together to hold hands once again.
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wtf this have 2 likes lol
McJuggerNuggets DAD DAD
Let's all just gather together on the internet and have fun... let's put aside political and religious difference and just coexist.
Subscribe Please I wish
This world needs more reasonable people like you Boogie. Great video, thanks for sharing your thoughts with us.
My God, Boggie... towards the end of this video I actually got really teary-eyed. You spoke out so well against all of this. We all need to be more acceptable to these things, and lighten up a bit. What you said here was truly thought provoking. I could not worded it any better! I commend you for speaking out like this, and you are far more brave than I could ever be. I look up to you for that man! Keep on fighting that good 1st amendment fight!
""Now lets see if I have the balls to upload this video" hahaha LOVE IT
Its good to highlight this stuff boogie. But I want to say John's opinions are very dangerous and destructive, its sad to see him take such a low road.
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CNN Headline : Boggie2988 makes fun of cancer patients!
PC how-to CNN:BOOGIE PEWDIEPIE JONTRON AND PHILP WILL SHOOT UP A SCHOOL BECAUSE OF TRUMP
so tbh, i found this video on my recommended on the side of the video i had been watching. i've never seen any of your previous content before, so this was my first video. this video just earned another subscriber and i hope you continue to get many more, because, well, you deserve it. keep it up man. you're one heck of a youtuber
POC here (since this is the way anyone ever listens to anyone anymore), JonTron wasn't being racist, he was putting for good points in an incoherent way. It's not as easy to debate as some keyboard warriors make it seem. Critize his ideas all you want, but to call him a racist over arguing such things? Makes me think of the dawn of GamerGate all over again.
Boogie, you just lost a subscriber.
Oh, not me. I'm just stating the obvious :3
I disagree with a few points, but I know that I'm not THAT thinned-skinned.
+j.max thanks buddy for being one of the good ones
RIP the unsubs.
Nah fuck em actually.
if i unsub, will you call me a deplorable? (not making a political statement, its my kink)
anyone care to fill me on on whatever it was jontron said?
ericofire "nobody would ask japan to become less japanese" basically he doesnt want American culture to be destroyed by foreign immigrants.
Boomtwack but american culture is a mix of things that isnt always white
DaGamingLife. true but it sounds like jons point is if your going to live in a different country you need to assimilate in that country and not try to make the country the way you want it to be. for example you wouldent go live in japan and expect everyone top speak English and follow your social norms. you would be expected to learn there language and follow there social norms.
just don't. Stop it. Get some help dude.
Ulfric Stormcloak Are you fucking dumb? I am so anti PC but holy shit, don't be an idiot.
I'm new to your channel Boogie, I've seen Francis, I've seen your E3 Coverage, I've also seen some of your lists. That being said, this video makes me an even bigger fan, because you may possibly be one of the only people left in this country, if not the world that can "think in the gray area". The last half of this video is exactly what I have talked about with my best friend and also my wife. Gray is the best color in the universe, and only laughing at the very worst in your life can make those things bearable. Thank you for standing on this hill, I would do the same in your shoes.
Jon “Gene Pool” Jafari
They're not the same thing. What Pewdiepie did was fine - a parody by going to extremes to make a wider point. What Jon did was not - it was flat out racism and bigotry.
Grouping these four together does a disservice to the wider argument. Jon wasn't targeted because he was a "UA-camr" by the "traditional media" - he was called out because he was a racist and bigot. There's no point rationalising it beyond that.
You can agree to their right to have an opinion, but on the flip side, you should also agree that media publications have a right to an opinion about those opinions.
@Ramses the Great You have no proof of this. Your argument is invalid.
Can someone catch me up, what exactly did Jontron say
Dude, free speech does not preclude blowback. Everybody is free to say what they want (basically) in America, but nobody is free from criticism. So if you're going to say something very wrong, and especially in front of millions of people, you had better be prepared for the consequences. You're not going to jail, but you may lose a bunch of supporters, financial and otherwise. If you want to preach calm, aim that sermon the other direction.
multiplenoirgasm libel's a bitch though :p
way to go man, the gray is the best place to play, i respect these kind of videos you put out with the utmost regard, at the end of the day everyone is gunna feel different about something, even in the slightest, but bringing out the torches and pitchforks is the easy way, and the most immediately gratifying way, and that's why we see it so much. to take a moment to understand we're all finding our way, and treat one as an equal rather than an adversary even with opposing values, actually.works towards a better outcome every time, excluding violence of course, that's a can of worms i don't want to open either
In a world bent on nothing but division, it takes serious balls to do what you do boogie, never change
I felt like this video didnt have a point to it. Like uhh ok. This was pretty much click bait
I definitely wouldn't have looped Jon with Felix and Collin. Jon was much more malicious and hateful in his rhetoric. The other 2 were just kind of shitty jokers.
Just wanted to say that you gained a new fan today. That was one of the most well put, genuine and honest videos I've watched in a long time. I've got tons of respect for you man. Keep this kind of stuff up. The world needs more people like you to stand up for what they believe in!
You're an objectively great person, game on my friend.
10/10 Boogie. Excellent video, couldnt agree more
hey Shesez, didn't expect to see you on Boogie's channel. hope you're doin good.
'"The only good thing that can come out of the horrible stuff in life.."
And subscribed.
This is the first time I've watched any of your videos, boogie. I might be wrong, but you strike me as a left or left-center kind of dude. I'm falling more to the right the older I get, but still, you nearly moved me to tears with your kind and warm embrace for the freedom of speech and respecting other peoples opinions. In the middle of all the craziness going on you bring back at least some hope in humanity. Thanks man.
UGH. Why must people become so petty. In the end, it doesn't matter.
Carly Rogers but in the end it doesn't even matter!
Don't go though life like that you could die at any moment so don't think about it who knows how long any of us have so don't live life thinking about what comes after thats something to handle when you get there
Linkin park
I love you boogie your a wonderful man
If people haven't seen this yet, we are at the point of a civil war of sorts in our country. There are two sides. It's becoming difficult to weigh opinion with outright hindrance of the way you think this country needs to be. Left or right there's a very black and white (no not a racist statement) line being drawn by the population of this country. At some point there's going to be an intolerance that overcomes peoples fears of dying on hills.
I think what everyone needs to understand is that there is a difference between criticizing an opinion, thought, or feeling and blowing any one of them out of proportion. Blowing any social situation out of proportion is never a good thing. It's also not right to generalize them. Whether it is people who are 'oversensitive' or not as well, no one deserves to be completely chastised and scarred for what they say. It doesn't help anyone. It doesn't help those that do it, and it doesn't help the ones getting that treatment. It just creates animosity that may likely not change the situation for the better. Just fester and grow into something out of control. Sadly, we live in an age when this mistake is not only incredibly easy to make - whether on purpose or not - but also almost instantly can't be completely recovered from. These things spread so rapidly, that you can't contain them. People's minds and feelings will be changed for good, and not all of them will think twice anytime soon.
All the drama helps is those that feel threatened by individuals that succeed where those feel only they can. Corporations and people who are on a higher end of the food chain that think they won't stay that way if they don't ruin people's lives. It's what a lot of society has come to, unfortunately.
Man, it's cool that you can try to remain objective, but there are some real site hawks here in the bottom half who are using this as a platform to justify hate. I imagine you probably were at least somewhat aware of that being a possibility so what I would say is that it may be a far better thing you do to ignore the bottom half today and play some Zelda. Fuck hate.
Enrico Lauro To be fair, theres no reason to justify hate. Its human nature, and pretty much everyone now days believes in their freedom of speech, and expression.
Welcome to 2017, where you have to change your opinions when people don't like them
JAY-E shame they didn't
But.. you don't
thejayeee eyyy a modest mouse fan
Is it just me or have you really lost some weight?
I mean that sincerely.
Tom Jäschke you should see him now lol
Sam R. You should see him now.
I agree fully. Before a certain experience I had, I was quick to criticize and bite the heads of off people who made "offensive" jokes. Then, I was given the opportunity to write a showcase for my school. I wanted some elements of dark comedy added into it, such as a joke about there being rats in the air vents of the school because it is such an old building and another talking about how the "good christian girl" got high and made out with the priest's son in a baptismal font. My comedy isn't for everyone, but my teacher nearly took away our showcase and attacked my grade because of it. Her personal opinion, I know, will now ruin my grades and my relations with her forever. Now that she has cut the show to the bare minimum, it is not enjoyable for anyone anymore. Like the internet, it is so closely under watch and squeaky clean and inoffensive it is boring. It's tiring. Comedy should have no limits. Neither should art. Or creation. Agree with it or not it is the right of people to express themselves despite your opinion. And don't ruin someone's well-being over a joke. A joke is a joke. The world just needs to learn to laugh at itself other than all of this crap keeping me from even writing the word "idiot" in a school production.
honestly I liked this video before I even saw it, this hate is unbelievable and needs to stop, people have the right to their opinions, you don't have to like it but you should respect it and stop attacking people randomly, if you are guilty of this, stop it. get some help.
Some Guy from what I said, so one seems to understand nuance. I know it seems annoying how people react to these kinds of opinions, but what people don't get is that these opinions are dangerous. Historically these kinds of opinions have driven people to do pretty horrible things, and the out cry is to stop it before it starts.
This line of thinking is so extremely toxic. Criticism is not rendered void as soon as the person under fire says it's just an opinion. Everyone is free to express their opinion, however this goes both ways. As much as people are free to express their opinions, so are people disagreeing with those opinions. You should respect the person and attack the opinion, this video advocates for respecting the person, and accepting the opinion, which is absurd thinking. If everyone can have an opinion while being immune to criticism related to those opinions, the world would be going nowhere. This extends further into jokes. You are absolutely allowed to joke about anything, but you also have to be aware that your joke might not be all that funny to everyone, after all people are allowed to have their opinion on the joke.
This goes even more wrong when someone's opinions are based in absolute perversion of statistics, and disgraced studies.
JonTron is one of the best funny, game-related UA-camrs. And the fact that one late night Twitch conversation about opinions that he does not push on others, unlike most people, would piss people off is just sad.....
If Jonathan says apples are better than oranges, than Danny shouldn't get offended that Jonathan THINKS A A DIFFERENT WAY! It's not like Jonathan is forcing the apple down Danny's throat...he just said it.
CrimsonPimp.LV what Jon said was racist, you can't deny that, I loved JonTron, but you can't dismiss what he said as just "thinking differently" that's completely disrespectful to the people that he offended and did offend a lot of people by spewing baseless nonsense that he claimed as fact, you'll keep ignoring it,that's your right,but don't expect everyone else to
Rico Lewis it was racist, but everyone deserves an opinion. Just because he's "internet famous" doesn't mean his opinion can't be made
"what Jon said was racist" If it was any other race but white it would not be racist.
CrimsonPimp.LV yeah crimson its just that one thing can set up a bad chain reaction that hurts someone who is liked by many and if you hate jon find someone else to pick on
Rico Lewis damn man everyone has their own opinion like some may have racist opinions and some may have a good opinion but atleast try to understand why they have that opinion and just shut up
I know this type of video isn’t your bag Boogs but I’d love to hear more about how we can open up those conversations with people (seemingly) across the aisle from us, when love is met with disrespect and hate, how can it not become those things in kind?
One sorry if there bad grammar.
And two I completely agree and plus its 2017 why can't we evolve from this bullcrap of peoples boycotting others over a stupid opinion or even over different people beliefs in politics even if its just a stupid joke Especially the minority of one that's feel the need of acting like Keyboard warrior/Sjw's to make you look like the bad guy and accusing anyone behide their back of shit you or anyone hasn't done Especially with the shit talking one,
And i been hearing this shit only happen to the bigger name UA-camr Which isn't true Because its can happen to the small channels as well not just big channels And i seen it happen with me and some of my friends being attack by bias keyboard warrior asshole with the different is big name UA-camr have a better chance at surviving while with small channels its depend on how you can handier them and just hope you don't have to closed your channels and start over by making a new one oh wait UA-cam limit how many channels you can verify so that's small youtuber is screwed over if he/she reached their limit. And all over a stupid opinion or even a joke or if they just don't like you. And can be really discouraging with youtube being to hard enough as it is.
Again people its 20 Bucking 17 do we need to continue doing shit like putting others down over politics Especially over a stupid opinion or even a joke Because i'am really surprise being a asshole at this cavemanish level is still a thing on the internet And not a thing of the past yet,
And you can argue its the internet deal with its But sometime thing are taking to far to the extreme that's we shouldn't have to even deal with
Btw i don't think politics should have anything to do with Video Games or even jon voice acting career
Ps i'am nether far Left or Right I'am of the middle. :D
The best ability in life is being able to agree to disagree
I just grew up in a family where you could ne ver win an arguement and if you wanted to you had to sit for aprox 3 hours untill you were convinced. So this is why I think this.
Is it tasteless because everyone thinks its tasteless or because you/they truly think its tasteless?
I have seen your streams boogie, and you can get real graphic.
When i saw pewdiepie video that are the subject of debate, I was indifferent about them. I still find pewdiepie entertaining. I pop in and out of his videos here and there
Anyways, you had a good message..
rift0tripper preach.
rift0tripper If hes saying that he thinks its tasteless, then he thinks its tasteless, doesnt matter how his opinion became his opinion.
its a battle over who is going to be in charge, and most youtubers (worried about whether or not they can monetize their work) are looking at it backwards: no one watches youtbe videos because theyre interested in the ads, we watch because we are interested in the content. it SHOULD BE that the content creators have the power to decide which companies are allowed to advertise in their videos, NOT that anonymous advertisers have the power to control the content produced by the creators. its up to you all, as creators, to fight for that.
I agreed with you up to Jon. I respect you Boogie, and I bet it's different when you know someone firsthand. But for me, I feel pretty betrayed. I get that this should be superficial; I shouldn't place trust in people I only know from a distance. You make exceptions, you know? You make exceptions for the ones you really look up to, sometimes without even realizing that you have. I made an exception, and now this is the consequence. It still really, really hurts.
I don't expect anyone's mind to be changed just from reading this (nor am I trying to); I'm just stating my experience.
Lovely video, completely agree with everything said. Subscribed!
Love this! The KF Community loves you and I LOVE YOU BOOGIE, thanks ❤️❤️
João Mendo Hail Colin!
this is actually one of the greatest videos I have seen on UA-cam. and really boogie as a whole is one if my favorite UA-camrs. how much abuse has this guy gone through with name calling and shaming and all that. and he still finds the strength to not dish that hate back out, to stay morally gray and shine at the same time. that shits inspiring
IHateLiberals you could probably use it if you didn't already have it, scumbag