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Watched this from the Netherlands as we are about to build a machine which will be installed in the US. Gave me a lot of clear information on some decisions we have to make. Thank you for the great examples!
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most CE marks on devices are self declaration of device manufacture. That is why devices ,have CE marks, are not allowed use in conjunction with UL listed or UL RU components marks . Also motor circuit protection means that basically it protect user or operator from high surge of current or voltage ( especially some extreme case high voltage arc ). UL 508 is harmonized with compatible IEC so UL start to replacing 508 to UL 60947 series standard back in 2017.
super helpful video, very much appreciated! watched from the Netherlands here.. been working in a company that builds panels for american customers, so UL 508a knowledge is a must.
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Amazing video! I have tried to find some summary of UL 508A standard but no success until now! I am sad to hear that I can not use PHOENIX CONTACT PTFIX Distribution Blocks as Feeders for many small motors, these have amp ratings of 25A / 32A and are quick connect, but I suppose it does not comply to the 1" / 2" spacings specified in the UL 508 standard.
@@craigjsanderson That's great to hear. Welcome! Starting this year we're hosting live panel discussions on a monthly basis with specialists from across our regions. In January we talked about Safety and in February we covered Predictive & Preventative Maintenance. The recordings can be found on the Industry Expert Exchange playlist. If you're free, join us live for the March 31 session on Lighting!
Can you use 16 AWG for the control panel control voltage wiring as long as it is fused properly and still be UL508a compliant? I read that at 20AWG is when it starts to matter and is limited to PLC connections for that size wire. But apparently 18 AWG or larger is okay according to table 66. I'm trying to save money on wire costs, so want to avoid 14 AWG for control wiring.
Hello, The minimum conductor size required for power and field wiring 14AWG. Control circuit wiring may be smaller, such as 16 or 18, as long as all other rules for conductor selection and protection are followed. Reference Table 38.1.
Hi, I've heard that an electrical control panel cannot be inside of a machine. Why is that? Why does it always need to be in a panel - seperated from the machine? I can't find that information anywhere...
Hello, Typically the control panel is located on the outside of the machine for lockout-tagout purposes. It is also located on the outside of the machine from a safety perspective if the machine would happen to start up as you turned power to the panel on. OSHA Lockout-Tagout Fact Sheet: www.osha.gov/sites/default/files/publications/factsheet-lockout-tagout.pdf
Hello, For information regarding terminal torque and wire, please see UL 508A section 28, which goes over ‘Power circuit field wiring devices meeting component selection requirements.’ Please see local codes or regulations that are applicable to your area. If you have questions or require additional technical support, we recommend contacting your local Rockwell Automation distributor for personalized support.
Hello Chris, That’s correct, the Conformité Européenne (CE) mark is a European conformity mark required for certain products sold in the European Economic Area. However, there is also a China Export mark that can be found on many Chinese manufactured products. The two marks are nearly identical and easily confused. Here is a blog explaining the differences in more detail and showing how to tell them apart: starfishmedical.com/blog/conformite-europeenne-mark-vs-a-china-export-mark/
Hello, In Canada, all products would need to be certified to CSA standards. If you have further questions or concerns, we recommend reaching out to your local electrical distributor.
Thank you for this video, it was informative and I look forward to see more. One thing, if you can use an other type of mic ? Your voice was not equal all the time.
Hello Andre, We're very happy to hear that this livestream was informative for you! Many things can affect the sound quality on livestreams; we'll be sure to use mics when possible. Thank you for joining us, and we look forward to seeing you on future livestreams.
Hello, The 140M line can be used as branch circuit protection for a Motor Branch Circuit. For branch circuits not using a motor, we recommend the 1489-M line. If you have further questions or concerns, please contact your local Rockwell Automation distributor.
Hello, I'm afraid we do not publish our slides publicly outside of how you see them here in the presentation. If you are a customer within our service area, we suggest contacting your account manager with any questions or clarifications you may have about the details on these slides. You can find our locations here: www.mc-mc.com/AllLocations
Hello Mike, Supplementary circuit breakers provides equipment protection where branch circuit protection is already there or is not required. Supplementary circuit breakers are commonly used in place of fuses for small electronics like PLC I/O, contactor coils, etc. We recommend reviewing UL 1077 for more information.
489 breakers can be used for feeder or branch protection, whereas 1077 breakers can only be used for branch protection. If you have 489 breakers already in place for branch protection, you do not need to replace them with 1077. Honestly I see 1077's getting used less and less often, really the only benefit is that they can be a little less expensive.
Best video I've found so far! Thanks from Seattle!
Found this 7 months after it broadcasted. Cheers from North Pole, Alaska!
Great to have you join us for the recording! We hope to see you live sometime for one of the new topics we cover every Wednesday at noon EST, although that may be a bit early for you in Alaska. The recordings are always posted on our Virtual Lunch & Learn playlist immediately afterward, so be sure to subscribe!
Watched this from the Netherlands as we are about to build a machine which will be installed in the US. Gave me a lot of clear information on some decisions we have to make. Thank you for the great examples!
Hello Nick,
Thank you for reaching out. We’re so happy to hear this video was helpful as you work on your machine building project. It’s wonderful seeing viewers from all around the world on the channel.
Our specialists cover new topics like this every week on our livestream, so be sure to subscribe. Although they might take place too late in the day for you to join us live from the Netherlands, you can find the recordings in our Virtual Lunch & Learn playlist.
Thanks again for your feedback and best of luck on your projects!
most CE marks on devices are self declaration of device manufacture. That is why devices ,have CE marks, are not allowed use in conjunction with UL listed or UL RU components marks . Also motor circuit protection means that basically it protect user or operator from high surge of current or voltage ( especially some extreme case high voltage arc ). UL 508 is harmonized with compatible IEC so UL start to replacing 508 to UL 60947 series standard back in 2017.
super helpful video, very much appreciated! watched from the Netherlands here.. been working in a company that builds panels for american customers, so UL 508a knowledge is a must.
Hello Hugo,
We’re so happy to hear this video was helpful for you. We love hearing from our viewers all around the globe!
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Thank you for providing your feedback and we wish you all the best with your panel building!
Thank you for sharing knowledge. It's really Great and valuable session.
Thank you for sharing knowledge. It's really Great and valuable session. ,from Ethiopia.
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Very good presentation, clarified several doubts I had
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Thanks from a UK plant room
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Great Insight..Well done
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Thanks! HUGELY informative!
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Good video!! Nice Slash components explanation (I am UL FE)
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Amazing video! I have tried to find some summary of UL 508A standard but no success until now! I am sad to hear that I can not use PHOENIX CONTACT PTFIX Distribution Blocks as Feeders for many small motors, these have amp ratings of 25A / 32A and are quick connect, but I suppose it does not comply to the 1" / 2" spacings specified in the UL 508 standard.
Great presentation, I have shared this with my engineering and QA team
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This video is incredibly informative and clear - nice one!
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@@mcnaughtonmckay thank you guys - easily earned a subscription from me!!
@@craigjsanderson That's great to hear. Welcome! Starting this year we're hosting live panel discussions on a monthly basis with specialists from across our regions. In January we talked about Safety and in February we covered Predictive & Preventative Maintenance. The recordings can be found on the Industry Expert Exchange playlist. If you're free, join us live for the March 31 session on Lighting!
Can you use 16 AWG for the control panel control voltage wiring as long as it is fused properly and still be UL508a compliant? I read that at 20AWG is when it starts to matter and is limited to PLC connections for that size wire. But apparently 18 AWG or larger is okay according to table 66. I'm trying to save money on wire costs, so want to avoid 14 AWG for control wiring.
Hello, The minimum conductor size required for power and field wiring 14AWG. Control circuit wiring may be smaller, such as 16 or 18, as long as all other rules for conductor selection and protection are followed. Reference Table 38.1.
Hi, I've heard that an electrical control panel cannot be inside of a machine. Why is that? Why does it always need to be in a panel - seperated from the machine? I can't find that information anywhere...
Hello, Typically the control panel is located on the outside of the machine for lockout-tagout purposes. It is also located on the outside of the machine from a safety perspective if the machine would happen to start up as you turned power to the panel on.
OSHA Lockout-Tagout Fact Sheet:
www.osha.gov/sites/default/files/publications/factsheet-lockout-tagout.pdf
Are there any standard torque specs for wire size to these components?
Hello, For information regarding terminal torque and wire, please see UL 508A section 28, which goes over ‘Power circuit field wiring devices meeting component selection requirements.’ Please see local codes or regulations that are applicable to your area. If you have questions or require additional technical support, we recommend contacting your local Rockwell Automation distributor for personalized support.
I believe CE stands for Conformité Européenne, which is French for "European Conformity." Not China export. Great video lots of useful information.
Hello Chris, That’s correct, the Conformité Européenne (CE) mark is a European conformity mark required for certain products sold in the European Economic Area. However, there is also a China Export mark that can be found on many Chinese manufactured products. The two marks are nearly identical and easily confused.
Here is a blog explaining the differences in more detail and showing how to tell them apart: starfishmedical.com/blog/conformite-europeenne-mark-vs-a-china-export-mark/
Awesome, Thank you
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Would products certified only to the UL508a standard be accepted in Canada?
Hello, In Canada, all products would need to be certified to CSA standards. If you have further questions or concerns, we recommend reaching out to your local electrical distributor.
Thank you for this video, it was informative and I look forward to see more. One thing, if you can use an other type of mic ? Your voice was not equal all the time.
Hello Andre, We're very happy to hear that this livestream was informative for you! Many things can affect the sound quality on livestreams; we'll be sure to use mics when possible. Thank you for joining us, and we look forward to seeing you on future livestreams.
One query, shall we use UL508 listed circuit breaker(140M) as brunch circuit protective device?
Hello, The 140M line can be used as branch circuit protection for a Motor Branch Circuit. For branch circuits not using a motor, we recommend the 1489-M line. If you have further questions or concerns, please contact your local Rockwell Automation distributor.
Would it be possible to post the slides?
Hello, I'm afraid we do not publish our slides publicly outside of how you see them here in the presentation. If you are a customer within our service area, we suggest contacting your account manager with any questions or clarifications you may have about the details on these slides. You can find our locations here: www.mc-mc.com/AllLocations
Whats the use of supplementary protection if you need to have UL489 breaker in there already? Seems like supplementary breakers are useless.
Hello Mike, Supplementary circuit breakers provides equipment protection where branch circuit protection is already there or is not required. Supplementary circuit breakers are commonly used in place of fuses for small electronics like PLC I/O, contactor coils, etc. We recommend reviewing UL 1077 for more information.
489 breakers can be used for feeder or branch protection, whereas 1077 breakers can only be used for branch protection. If you have 489 breakers already in place for branch protection, you do not need to replace them with 1077.
Honestly I see 1077's getting used less and less often, really the only benefit is that they can be a little less expensive.
How do i get UL 508A latest pdf version download for free ???
Hello Aamir, The complete standard must be purchased from UL. You can find it here: www.shopulstandards.com/ProductDetail.aspx?UniqueKey=34233
the video image is too poor, you need to fix it more
Peter from West Yorkshire England