And Drake isn't? Y'all respect him more for fighting back even though he lied and nobody except his fans bought it? The same guy who snitched on himself on a track that was supposed to destroy MTG and NLU? Lets not forget that Kendrick a few years ago behaved in the same manner Drake does. Cole remained true to his character and what he spoke about longer than Drake and Kendrick, y'all gas Kendrick up when he himself said " I am not your saviour " I love Kenny but y'all do way too much mental gymnastics on him and still miss the point.
@@officialconch When did Kendrick lie exactly? If you are referring to the daughter it is unconfirmed, we don't know for sure if he lied or said the truth. And even if he did lie it's one lie, everything else is pretty much true about Drake.
My criticism of J. Cole has to do with him claiming he didn't pick a side only to turn around and pick a side. No need to play neutral when it's seemingly disingenuous.
@@MMCLLC7Port Antonio made the apology worse. I understood he was friends with both Drake and Kendrick. I respected his choice to bow out. My issue is he says he didn't pick a side but the very next bar is him picking a side. Had he not contradicted himself I wouldn't have cared.
@@rahbeeuh my point is what side is he picking if hes shown love to both sides on seperate occasions? also... YOU just admitted you know hes cool with them both. so is this about whats really going on or is it about what narrative people think is more entertaining? saying one man is your boy doesnt negate the ability for another man to be your boy at the same time. he only focused on drake cause 1. kendrick already got an apology, and 2. people have been created a narrative that because of his recent features hes secretly not cool with drake anymore. he had to shut that down and also prove that yall dont know what yall be talkin bout. cause so many people coulda swore cole wasnt fw drake anymore but they were all wrong.
@@rahbeeuh i disagree, i still dont think hes picking sides. he’s letting it be known that there’s no beef with drake which is something the internet has been trying to stir up since his apology to kendrick. Thats my interpretation, i dont see how thats picking sides
The glaze is crazy, he backed out. It is what it is, we don’t need an explanation on why he back out, the song had no purpose outside of great lyricism. He could’ve keep it 🤷🏾♂️ And let’s not act like 7min drill isn’t how he really felt about dot on the low. Bro showed his hand and now back tracking, I think it’s more of the lack of being honest. I feel he the only one out of the three that’s holding back the REAL feelings. Just BE REAL!
I like Cole. I liked the song. You're wrong about one thing. Cole vs. Kendrick would've been WAAAAAY different than Drake vs. Kendrick. How can you not set that?
they would be different but they cant exist at the same time. kendrick was not gonna have two different types of lyrical battles at the same time. he called them out at the same time because he wanted to deal with them at the same time the same way.
@MMCLLC7 yeah, but 7 minute drill exists, and you dont know Kendricks intentions. Thats ridiculous. Honestly, I think they should make Black Friday 2. Shit would be dope af.
Kendrick literally said he hates whoever stands with Drake on Euphoria, he'd diss Cole WITH Drake, he wouldn't separate them, and that's how Cole gets entangled in the tea spilling. Kendrick and Cole need a separate friendly fade.
@@MortalKombateditz no they don't, Cole been neutral to everybody. Which is why ppl thought he was sneak dissin when hopping on features w artists Drake has personal issues w. He owes no one that amount of loyalty if he's down to earth and just looking to collab
Y'all Cole apologists are tripping. The mental gymnastics you have to perform to justify Cole's actions is equivalent to Drake fans saying he won the battle.
mfs can't understand nuance and can only see things as kendrick good, j cole bad. shit's happening behind the scenes that we are not privy to, though Cole 100% deserves some measure of hate for flip-flopping so much. He would have been 100% good had he never dropped 7MD and just stayed quiet.
The problem is could’ve said it different. Instead say “it’s not about a battle dog, I could’ve lost a bro.” Changes it completely. And all that tough talk about being the best is dead when you can’t show and prove in lyrical warfare.
You literally did not listen to what bro said. If he did had went through with it. It would have been Fake! Not real. Not even as a competitive friendly diss. This was him backing out of the Realness when it came to drake and kendrick. Kendrick threw a shot. Mainly targeting drake. Drake went below the belt. Kendrick went lower. In the end. This was was never really j cole fight.
Cole is in the crossfire because he is a hypocrite and gaslighting us. He has a history of dissing rappers and then apologising. How and why is Cole at 40yrs old being influenced by the internet and friends? Cole takes no accountability and always blames us his fans/friends for his erratic decisions and actions
I have two diverging opion. Either J Cole's sincerity comes with a dash of naivety; he thought it was a game and pulled out when he understood the gravity of the situation or he lacks authenticity. This narrative would bring J Cole as being jealous of Kdot and got influenced into coming at Kendrick, not because he is so influenceable, but because he really wanted to, but couldnt fully commit. I would need more evidence to make that strong of a claim, but there lies the duality for me.
exactly man. ive wasted two much energy tryna defend cole to people who majority of the time never liked him to begin with. its just like cole said in the song, "all for what? to attain props from strangers who dont got a clue what im aiming for." i feel like a lot of cole fans gotta take a page out of his book fr. learn to live and let live because its always gon be detractors especially when youre at the top.
I feel you, Cole is one of my favorites and a top player to me. But he's grown and can handle himself. He doesn't need you or me to protect him. Jumping in was a clown decision though, I will die on that hill. Might Delete Later was still good minus 7 Minute Drill of course.
25:31 to think a UA-camr knows a guy at his core that didn’t even wanna let the world know he was married is crazy… I’m a j.cole fan! I like him over the other two. But we don’t REALLY know Cole. We be having this para social relationship thinking we really know bro because he relates to our stories when in reality WE DONT KNOW JERMAINE! We don’t know his real insecurities, his flaws, his doubts… but what we do know is HE wrote those words on that 7min drill track. HE went low and attacked Kendrick’s catalog and him as an artist and person. Kendrick ain’t ever til this day hit low on Cole.. but why Cole do that?? BECAUSE THATS HOW HE REALLY FELT! Ain’t nobody tell him to come at DOT like that! That’s was HIS choice. And I believe he was scared he showed his hand, which goes against his brand. But 7min drill… that’s how Cole REALLY felt.
Says nobody really knows Cole... ...Proceeds to say that he knows how Cole really felt with 7MD, going against what Cole HIMSELF explained how the situation went and how he felt about it. Ok!
@@neil8701 what you mean? Cole told us how he felt with the lyrics to that song. HE WROTE THE LYRICS! I’m not making up what he wrote, he wrote it! lol not only did he write it, he had to record it, listen to it back to make sure it was delivered and listen again to the mastered version. I don’t think it’s far fetch to say he meant that stuff he wrote. Now what he said afterwards that’s up for discussion.
@Jpsaidit So then you also know that he DID NOT stand behind those words in 7DM. That's why he apologized and took it down. He said himself he was gassed up by his environment to diss and was probably looking for something to diss about. But if you listen to what he said at Dreamville and to what he rapped on Port Antonio, then you know that 7MD wasn't how he really felt.
That's a whole lot of bolony bruv... J.Cole might have been influenced and gassed to respond, but he was not coerced, no one could have ever forced J.Cole to respond...so although all of this is speculation..it is completely not far fetched to say J.Cole meant some of the things he said on his diss.the only one that would confuse me is the catalogue diss because he should have known that wouldn't stick, Kendrick literally has one of Thee most respected catalogues of the big 3...but still that🥷🏼 had to sit down and think about everything he said on that record..even the disses against Dot's catalogue... I love Cole, I love how he has been portraying himself as a humble guy his whole career..but in that moment he went off brand and he probably realised after the fact..which then made him backtrack and decide against continuing the beef.. but he could have also just regreted the diss..two things can be true at the same time..@@neil8701
Stop getting your information from rap videos bro. Subliminals our not proven fact. That's why they our Subliminals. To leave that ambiguous nature. So all that sneak dissing shit is dead. Plus cole took a punch from p diddy for kendrick.
@@ThatGuy-dn9nobuddy that last part tells me u also get ur info from YT. BTW a sub is a diss so yes he been sneak dissin. Besides the sneak dissin he claimed the thrown, Sumn came 2 challenge and he sat down like daddy's bih
@@ya_Boi_BK No my guy, I get my information from Reports,Podcast outlets. You know Something that I can read instead of a 10 minute video. Sub is a diss that is correct. Great job for figuring that out but it is NOT Full direct shot. You as a viewer put 2 together and take it as face value. With the two brain cells you have of course. Now answer me this why would someone sneak dissed a dude he took a punch for from diddy? Just answer me that and you got it!
Can we have more people in hip-hop media with nuance takes like Justice and less middle-aged men with mics in a room competing to yell the most drama-farming sensationalist takes for engagement. It’s really brought down the discourse.
Insane cope. “We ain’t gotta get personal, it’s a friendly fade” “You taking it there, I’m taking it further. That’s something you don’t wanna do” Cole has no claims to the crown anymore, that’s over with. This stain will remain, no matter how well he raps
Your argument was lost when you said Jay Z lost which he did. But you can't be the best when you are scared to back up your words at competing. As far as the competition part Cole never knew the direction of the battle because he pulled out before it started.
It is confirmed schoolboy q told him where it was headed and to back out. Cole would've looked dumb boxing lyrically while drake and Kendrick were going at each other with serrated machetes.
@@KachiPorraa Actually it was never confirmed to this day it is speculation that School boy Q did. Do you know Kendrick talked to Drake before the beef kicked off to keep it a friendly beef that is confirmed so there was no need for Cole to get out so stop with that
The way jcole moved during this, made me respect him so much. I respect Kendrick and Cole, they showed me 2 sides of integrity and morality on 2 different scenarios of a conflict. Both their words ring so true in todays environment.
You do know every battle has had some kind of tea. Two he quit before Drake dropped a song so no one knew where it came from. You can't punch someone in the face and then say i'm sorry
First off, Cole did say he didn't feel like it, he dropped a "Are you sure you want to go there" diss and was like "wait a minute this is how I moved back in the day, im not like that now" so it makes sense why 7 minute drill is underwhelming, Cole had intel about the beef and Drake left dreamville fest because of that, or well, didn't appear. So Cole did know where this would go, which doubled down on his feelings and he saw the talk, he knew people weren't buying it. Overall he did not back out because he's afraid, thats the main point.
Im mixed right now. Cole will always be one of the best rappers of my generation, and I won't stop listening to him, but the im the best bars just dont hit the same. The mixed stuff is mainly around how you see the "beef." Like, does this change if Drake doesnt call out Kendricks wife? Dot even mentioned it was a friendly fade on Euphoria, he also mentioned it was supposed to be a competition in the game on MTG. I think Cole and Kendrick could have had it out in a vaccum, then Drake and Kendrick could have done what they did. Its also weird to say you're outta the big 3 and its freeing...but then you're the one saying you're big 3 on the FPS. Its just a bit wishy washy. Edit: Also dont know how I feel about a grown man getting peer pressured into a fight.
Just a few points: I like what you said around the 25 minute mark about people not liking who he is...that's 100% factual; Cole's only mistake was being human. He allowed others around him to influence him to do things that went against his nature. Also, people are confusing Cole saying he's the best with him saying he wants the crown. Doesn't he have a voiceover on one song talking about destroying the crown because there is no king? He considers himself to be finally free because he can now make music, which HE considers to be the greatest, without feeling the need to satisfy the masses by being their king. Edit: 29 minutes in you were COOKING!!
EVERYONE can't be wrong lol 😂 Cole DOES have a problem, it's called throwing stones and hiding his hands. He'll never beg for smoke ever again after this. The rap world is healing itself.
Alright I heard it all lol bruh you’re 110% wrong @iusetobepay Jcole and Kendrick was due to be a lyrical battle not no malicious battle at all. I don’t know if you’re the only one who thought Drake and Kendrick beef was going to be displayed on the same way but people knew. Drake and Kendrick obviously we knew how by Drake’s previous battles was that it was going to turn a way. Same reason why on Euphoria Kendrick said “this doesn’t have to be personal it can be a friendly fade” which you fail to mention that. Kendrick knew drakes angle. It was very predictable. J Cole coming out like that didn’t need to 1. Happen nor 2. Come off discrediting Kendrick’s discography and height. Which it easily could’ve been a lyrical friendly fade. Gang you’re 110% wrong. The port Antonio is cope and cap as well. I have no clue what you’re seeing but you’re failing to understand it all lol
It was war. War is a competition; it was a competition. It was just not a friendly one. We can dimiss this as semantics, but the reason why Kendrick won was mainly because he was better prepared. J Cole didn't need schoolboy to realise the stakes. J Cole didn't need to be gazed up to go for Kendrick. I like J Cole and I like alot of his artistic attempts that are regarded as his worst work. I give him grace because he seems like a genuine dude, but there were enough instance where he was acting sus that I also have my part of doubts.
Finally somebody made the perfect video explaining this, this went over a lot of people’s heads fr, a rap battle and a character assassination beef is different. Y’all forget that before the whole situation started j.cole wanted to get all three on a song and y’all wanted him to hit a 180 and attack Kendrick’s or drake’s character, a rap beef and a rap battle is different. Rap beef is based on hate towards each other and rap battles are based in competition between each other
23:20 Nah cause Cole was the first to drop a diss track and he apologized before anyone else released anything Although he may have had conversations behind the scenes that let him know what was going to happen Your comparisons to Nikki, Wayne, and Jay don’t quite work because none of them back out lol But I do agree that its not really a thing to revoke goat status off of beefs. Andre 3k was never in a major beef and he is in most hip hop heads top 10 at least
There is still no proof that Q even did any of that, why are we running with that narrative? Cole stated exactly why he was apologizing on stage at Dreamville yet gives a different reason now?! Hypocrisy and gaslighting the audiance at best....
People be so loud and wrong. The girl in the video saying it’s about competition and it always was Meanwhile Kendrick: “This ain’t about who the greatest this always been about love and hate now let me say I’m the biggest hater” Yeah it’s all about competition 🤡
And they be like " Oh bUt KEnDrIcK wOuLd dIsS cOlE dIfFeReNtLy " Meanwhile Kendrick on Euphoria " Whoever that's fkin' with him, fk you ngas, and fk the industry too " For people that do mental gymnastics over Kennys bars they for sure miss often. Im a Kendrick fan but this glaze is immaculate.
When a rapper cannot stand by what they have released and publicly said, back peddle, explain their reasoning, then when that entire situation is over release an entry to the rap beef AFTER ITS OVER and then keep it up because he stepped out of the line of fire, they immediately lose respect. It's not like if Eddie van Halen said he sucks at singing. Nobody would care. But rapping is one of the most lyric based genres period, cole made attempts to tell good stories in his music too. So when you lose that, when you show the world you could've done something but then said no, when you publicly retrace your steps out of the beef and make drake look tougher for getting his ass whooped but not fleeing from kendrick, you're done for. His feature on asap rockys song was so out of place and try hard. This song doesn't even feel like it should be made. He says nothing new here he didn't already state previously. He's lost respect and to hop on this sad boy beat and give a little life story of himself again which is too repetitive in his career
Go ahead and explain how. And don't say some bs like 'bro did u watch the video?? durr'. Explain how any of this is staning? It's funny. Ironic too. That song is speaking exactly about people like you.
Listen Dude!, he violated rules of engagement, He started First Person Shooter. Stop my Guy hold the L. Not about Like. Im sure if him K-Dot set the rules..same out come, Stop Beta-Boy Fans.
This is rewriting history. And Cole d-suckers are the ones crying like you. Not Drizzy or Dot supporters who are calling his BS. 1. K Dot called out both for FPS on Like That. That’s where the battle started. The internet did not start this. Just because people profited does not change that. Even Cole says he is for people making money in his first verse. So how is he gonna blame people for profiting on this and accuse them is starting this? 2. Cole reacted first on 7 MD before it became personal - if he’s close to both he should have foreseen or know about them not liking each other. Nit to call out Dot in FPS (his verse is what started this) and to not drop 7MD. 3. Cole should not have intimated directly or indirectly that he would have won. Or not lost. After choosing not to fight, you cannot then claim you would have won. It’s hypocritical to say that. You virtually must accept that you are not part of the battle and sit on the bench and watch. Call yourself the best rapper all you want don’t even perceive victory on a battle your chicken out of. Are you kidding me. Those are the two main issues people have with Cole. His flip flopping, hypocrisy, self delusion and can’t back it up BS! 3. No one is writing of his history. He actually denigrated 2PAB. I don’t remember him apologizing for that. Or withdrawing that statement. Or apologizing. He never did. Listen to his BS speech and tell me he did. He’s lucky Dot did not smoke his ass just for that. 4. Cole is a grown man , actually older than the other 2 combatants in the battle. To be forced by whoever to enter a battle that he does not feel is right shows a weak character trait. He should have stuck to his initial stance just than bring up some more BS and stupid rationalizations after the fact. You are just a Cole fan and choose not to see the valid criticisms against him and this track. And hardly anyone is doubting his skills. I love Cole too.
Idk man if my friend dropped our collab album, is going on tour with, and making multiple songs with my biggest opp that ain't no bro to me. But i guess cole got a different definition of friendship. But to me they just seemed like acquaintances.
Cole has been collabing and out and about with Drake throughout the last ten years...as he did the same with Kendrick. This recent run with Drake is no different than what he's been doing.
You make subjective statement seem like objective truth. Come on man? First your choice of Jay Z as the GOAT is subjective. Arguably maybe but universally., no! Genius lyricist, off the dome lyrics for all his songs and stuff but GOAT is more than that. And calling or implying that people who disagree with your opinion, not facts but opinion, liars? Come on man? Listen to yourself sometimes. Some diss songs are not worth responding to. In my opinion and I think that’s what Dot, Nas, Em think as well. Just my opinion. And you gonna call me a liar just because you think those songs need resounding to? Come on, man!
The main issue is his narrative of people wanting to see blood, people just wanted to see a good competition. Everyone always brings up 2pac and Big but no one mentions how Nas & Jay squashed the beef, MC Eiht & DJ Quik squashed theirs, even Beanie & Jadakiss after nearly threatening each other and being completely disrespectful. The truth is Cole could’ve kept it competitive and not " lost a bro”, it just feels like he was ducking the smoke after asking for it.
doesnt matter how competitive cole kept it if his opponent still went for the juggular. then we have a situation where cole keeps it friendly and kendrick tries to assassinate his character the way he did drake. then either cole is just a shell of his former self or he goes back just as hard and says things he can never take back. either way he can throw away any friendship he ever had with kendrick.
@@MMCLLC7 all these are what if’s and theoreticals but what happened in reality was Cole was baited into dissing him and Cole let his boys gas him up that was his first mistake, do you think Kendrick would let Keem gas him up into pressuring him to do something he doesn’t wanna do? No, take some accountability for your actions. His second mistake wasn’t dissing him but Port Antonio, if he wanted to give his perspective on the beef and not pick sides that’s fine but shouting Drake out on the same song is weird, he’s giving mixed signals
I’m sorry man but how many times has Cole rapped about snatching the crown??? He would have lost a friend because it was not actually a friendly fade? NO. It could’ve been between him and them. It wasn’t ABSOLUTELY a character assassination unless you or them took it that far. Would’ve been fun and would’ve backed up ALLLLLLLL the shit you spat about the pen game. But nah. You knew what you were doing Cole hopping on 1st person shooter. And then apologizing for slapping back in actuality a cool manner. And then making a record tal bout, “I’m the best they lucky I didn’t get involved”. Like your friend got his ass whooped and you did nothing then said, “I didn’t get involved cause I value my peace, but if I did get involved and defended you getting jumped I woulda whooped all of them.” That’s the type of dude that I get a text about 5 years later saying, “yeah he’s gone btw, remember that dude? We got em. Fake ass.”
What's being excused? Wanting to keep friends? How dare Cole try and keep his relationship in tact with Drake and Kendrick. That's essentially what you're saying. You could replace Kendrick with Cole's own bestest friend, it's going the same way 10x over. He expected a clash of pens, what he got was a clash of beliefs and ideals. It's literally not the battle he wanted, so he left. Nothing. Absolutely nothing about that is an excuse. It's immensely morally reprehensible to trash people that you consider a friend. Especially when it doesn't involve you.
@@Pufflord friendship intact? He didn’t think of his friend when he released his diss to Kendrick, oh but he remember they were friends a week later and apologized, and where was he all this time to show support to his friend Drake when he was in the fire? Not even a tweet of support, now here he is months later with excuses and shades, when most everyone had given him a pass for apologizing, so he ruined a really nice song with unnecessary nonsense.
I find it funny that these unhealed heathens of the hip-hop community are the same people who made the likes of Sexy Redd and Lil Pump famous the same people who were co signing street beef with drill music as well stripper culture in hip-hop are now all of a sudden hip-hop analysis when it comes to cole...... if he's to be accused of "flip flopping" he surely isn't the ONLY ONE 🫵🏾 now let THAT sink in 🤔
Ah, one of the few intellectually honest takes around! I don't see that much these days. It baffles me to see how many people misread/misunderstand everything Cole has said and done. Either people lack critical thinking skills, they simply don't like Cole or they're mad because they didn't get the (figurative) bloodshed that they actually wanted but now pretend as if that wasn't what people were yearning for and as if it realistically could've been kept friendly while Kdot and Drake were at actual war. They rather call you an apologist instead 🤦🏿♂️
Always been a HUGE fan of the big 3 from the begging J Cole being my favorite but he and Drake to Major hits in this whole battle Cole went out sad I feel like he was trying to ride for Drake when he dropped that 7 minute freestyle I always said he jumped the gun he should of let Drake drop first but here we are 2 major Ls for Drake and Cole
Not all beef has to be personal. You can send shots to other rappers because rap has always been like a sport where rappers compete against one another to show who’s the top dog. What happened between Kendrick and Drake was bond to happen regardless because those dudes just don’t like each other and haven’t for a long time. Cole had his opportunity to put his skills to the test and go toe to toe for the crown. And he didn’t. People always talk about the Big 3, but let’s keep it 100. Everyone always views Cole as the 3rd best out of the 3 and it’s for shit like this he’ll never enter GOAT conversations.
Might as well title this video: "Letter to the Kendrick glazers". We all know who the people crying about Cole are, that "algorithm bot" bar really got a lot of people in their feelings 😂😂
Lol! The people you are presenting as "considered" GOAT's are generally barbershop goats. They are the ones people generally argue against being in the top 10 (excluding Jay-Z and that's a tenure pick) Nicki even gets dismissed from top 50 lists sometimes because of how bad her diss tracks have been (not I, but I have seen it) . So, yea... no. But also, no to most of this. Cole's consistent flip flopping was ok before because people gave him a pass. But port antonio is just the final straw. Now, it's looking like a character flaw- not something you can understand under particular circumstances.
He flipped flopped... even though he referenced Kendrick and Drake, and outwardly showed support for both of them? He called Kendrick his "bro" and say Drake would always be his nigga... So what exactly got flip flopped on?
I agree with the points you made but I also agree with hers. HE told us he was the greatest and that he’d slide on anyone who wants the smoke. Then smoky the bear came out of hibernation and he started copping pleas
I been saying this People give opinions without actually trying to test their judgement. Majority of people are usually wrong, because great minds are few.
Saying this was about competition is crazy. Cole talking about discographies was the closest this got to competition, drake and kendrick were nowhere near being about pure competition lmao. I respect Cole for standing on his decision. Him speaking on it was corny but you people mad weird for saying he wants to "inherit" the crown. Lmao,weird takes fr
Weak take! All you saying is take everything Cole says at face value like he has been oblivious to everything beforehand, and you would have to exclude all his sneak disses at KENDRICK leading up to this. He had to sneak dis on scary hours with drake where he said something like I’m rearranging that DNA. You expect me and everybody to just be like “aw Cole ain’t even know” WEAK HE WEAK BUM and that’s okay, but a lot of people ain’t with that. He hiding
Im glad theres another opposing view to the popular opinion even though I disagree with some of this. 2:54 He said what he said. If he wanted to say something different, he should have. 😅
All the contradictions in J Coles lyrics and actions are terrible. How could you defend someone so dilusional. Terrible video Pay. Still love Cole and the your channel tho!
The only way J Cole can win his side of the beef is by making a better album than Drake and Kendrick. He don’t got hate for them so the only option is to top both of their next works which will be difficult tbh
I agree with about 80% of this video. Towards the end it got a lil cope-ish But your response to that HATING ASS TikTok was on point. Btw shorty was making valid points but also saying a bunch of hateful bullshit, so I can’t respect it.
How? Explain? Because from any sane person's point of view... He's a regular human with changing ideas, feelings, and emotions. He got caught up, made a decision he regretted, and promptly backed out. He's allowed to consider himself the best when it comes to rap. But there is no option for Cole when you ask 'Who is the best between Kendrick and Drake?' And even then those two wanted each other to essentially die. Cole stepped in expecting a clash of pens. Not a clash of ideals and beliefs.
@@Pufflord bro there’s no stepping a side if you you the best. If you step a side and say sorry for your diss. Don’t pick up the mic again talking like you gone smoke everyone. We just watched you say sorry my bro not buying it
6:41 bro the first one is literally the context of the battle lmao kendrick felt he was a better rapper than cole and drake. like u broke the beef down so i dont even gotta explain why this look wild in the light fam & also we dont wanna hear cole talmbout killin a nigga lyrically when we heard 7 minute drill gang. that shit was ass. idc why he released it, idc how long it was out. he wrote it recorded it, uploaded it & let it rock. that was buns. his pen is not scary no more. and cole told US he was the best rapper SPECIFICALLY OUTTA THE BIG 3. this really is 30 mins of cope brody. the battle WAS competition AT FIRST. it changed when drake dropped family matters. u creating a whole fake ass narrative like kendrick was tryna destroy niggas careers or sumn. in THE SAME SONG U REFERENCED he says WE AIN GOTTA GET PERSONAL ITS A FRIENDLY FADE WE SHOULD KEEP IT THAT WAY like cmon fam 🤦🏾 u coping. u can love cole music & recognize the mans flaws.
yall are corny asl. people are allowed to have opinions its not gaslighting just because we feel differently about something than you. you dont have any facts you dont know the people involved in this personally. none of us do. whether youre a fan or a hater its parasocial. so youre free to feel how you want but dont accuse people who disagree as being manipulated.
war is not a competition. competition has rules, winners and losers, and its fair. war has no rules, anything can happen, and usually its a loss for everyone involved, including the perceived winners. like how america won wwii by bombing japan. that haunts this country to this day but hey we won right? and for the record, the way everybody was so excited to see cole and kendrick go back and forth and had no idea it was gonna get that personal, is the same way cole thought it would be like that. just because it turned out to be a full on war now people wanna act like they always saw this coming so why couldnt cole of all people do the same? lastly in this current state of hip hop im bothered by ALL the revisionist history going around. but more importantly im annoyed that the people doing most of that revisionist history are the main ones accussing others exercising logic and naunce and independent thinking as doing the same. but hey maybe im the one being delusional 🙄 i swear this culture is cooked
Wdym he didn’t sign up for it, this is hip hop right? Why are we acting like the internet perverted hip hop and that before it was just about lyrics or artistry when shits always been vicious. If he wanted to just, “be J Cole,” why did he claim to be the best rapper? That’s a competitive claim, if you don’t want to even compete about it it’s definitely false. Also how is Kendrick his friend if Kendrick dissed him first, what type of friend is that? Who starts rapping to be friends with other rappers, foh with that bullshit. J Cole, and Kendrick for that matter act like they’re above the game, they just show it in different ways. Honestly I don’t like any of them, drake has some good songs tho. Kendrick and Drake are pop rappers. J Cole has weak beats, weak presence on the track, sleepy boring music.
Kendrick won because he put out the better diss records. Come on man. Are we gonna act like NLU wasn’t a huge summer hit? Before Euphoria people were saying Drake had Dot scared.
I see why Cole always riding a bike now, his back peddling skills are phenomenal.
Right you took the comment from my finger tips
Nice
no he didn't back peddle shit
@mrstrangeworld5977 lol ok?
Nah 30 mins cape-ing for the cowardly lion is crazy 😂
Nah fr. Like we didn’t just hear what we heard
Cole acting like he morally better than the two is distasteful coz he a coward im sorry but he is
And Drake isn't? Y'all respect him more for fighting back even though he lied and nobody except his fans bought it? The same guy who snitched on himself on a track that was supposed to destroy MTG and NLU?
Lets not forget that Kendrick a few years ago behaved in the same manner Drake does.
Cole remained true to his character and what he spoke about longer than Drake and Kendrick, y'all gas Kendrick up when he himself said " I am not your saviour "
I love Kenny but y'all do way too much mental gymnastics on him and still miss the point.
@@MortalKombateditzKendrick lied too lmaooo no one cares about the truth lil bro
@@MortalKombateditzCole isn’t even good enough to rap over my beats on my channel 😂
@@officialconch When did Kendrick lie exactly? If you are referring to the daughter it is unconfirmed, we don't know for sure if he lied or said the truth.
And even if he did lie it's one lie, everything else is pretty much true about Drake.
Only a person with no morals would make such a stupid statement
My criticism of J. Cole has to do with him claiming he didn't pick a side only to turn around and pick a side. No need to play neutral when it's seemingly disingenuous.
so when he apologized he picked kendricks side but on port antonio he picked drakes. he litterally cant please everybody.
@@MMCLLC7Port Antonio made the apology worse. I understood he was friends with both Drake and Kendrick. I respected his choice to bow out. My issue is he says he didn't pick a side but the very next bar is him picking a side. Had he not contradicted himself I wouldn't have cared.
@@rahbeeuh my point is what side is he picking if hes shown love to both sides on seperate occasions? also... YOU just admitted you know hes cool with them both. so is this about whats really going on or is it about what narrative people think is more entertaining? saying one man is your boy doesnt negate the ability for another man to be your boy at the same time. he only focused on drake cause 1. kendrick already got an apology, and 2. people have been created a narrative that because of his recent features hes secretly not cool with drake anymore. he had to shut that down and also prove that yall dont know what yall be talkin bout. cause so many people coulda swore cole wasnt fw drake anymore but they were all wrong.
@@rahbeeuh i disagree, i still dont think hes picking sides. he’s letting it be known that there’s no beef with drake which is something the internet has been trying to stir up since his apology to kendrick. Thats my interpretation, i dont see how thats picking sides
@@rahbeeuhhow did he pick a side if he clearly stated he didn't?? The interpretation is waaay off
The glaze is crazy, he backed out. It is what it is, we don’t need an explanation on why he back out, the song had no purpose outside of great lyricism. He could’ve keep it 🤷🏾♂️
And let’s not act like 7min drill isn’t how he really felt about dot on the low. Bro showed his hand and now back tracking, I think it’s more of the lack of being honest. I feel he the only one out of the three that’s holding back the REAL feelings. Just BE REAL!
I like Cole. I liked the song. You're wrong about one thing. Cole vs. Kendrick would've been WAAAAAY different than Drake vs. Kendrick. How can you not set that?
they would be different but they cant exist at the same time. kendrick was not gonna have two different types of lyrical battles at the same time. he called them out at the same time because he wanted to deal with them at the same time the same way.
@MMCLLC7 yeah, but 7 minute drill exists, and you dont know Kendricks intentions. Thats ridiculous. Honestly, I think they should make Black Friday 2. Shit would be dope af.
Kendrick literally said he hates whoever stands with Drake on Euphoria, he'd diss Cole WITH Drake, he wouldn't separate them, and that's how Cole gets entangled in the tea spilling.
Kendrick and Cole need a separate friendly fade.
@@dysonspheretxisounds about white
@@MortalKombateditz no they don't, Cole been neutral to everybody. Which is why ppl thought he was sneak dissin when hopping on features w artists Drake has personal issues w. He owes no one that amount of loyalty if he's down to earth and just looking to collab
Bro I thought you cut the locs for a second 😭😭
He sexy either way. He could go bald and still be one of the cutest mfs in the history of this platform LMFAOOOOO
na deadass lol first 2min i ran to his previous video to see when he cut it cause how is it already an afro? 🥲😵💫🤣
Nah this is cope wrong asf but I respect the opinion but 100% wrong
Y'all Cole apologists are tripping. The mental gymnastics you have to perform to justify Cole's actions is equivalent to Drake fans saying he won the battle.
Word 😅
I mean Drake did win the battle but Cole apologists are tripping lol
@@officialconch You're doing the exact mental gymnastics that the commenter pointed out
mfs can't understand nuance and can only see things as kendrick good, j cole bad. shit's happening behind the scenes that we are not privy to, though Cole 100% deserves some measure of hate for flip-flopping so much. He would have been 100% good had he never dropped 7MD and just stayed quiet.
The problem is could’ve said it different. Instead say “it’s not about a battle dog, I could’ve lost a bro.” Changes it completely. And all that tough talk about being the best is dead when you can’t show and prove in lyrical warfare.
You literally did not listen to what bro said. If he did had went through with it. It would have been Fake! Not real. Not even as a competitive friendly diss. This was him backing out of the Realness when it came to drake and kendrick. Kendrick threw a shot. Mainly targeting drake. Drake went below the belt. Kendrick went lower. In the end. This was was never really j cole fight.
@@ThatGuy-dn9noblah blah blah
@@officialconch dumbass trolls
@@officialconch Great, stand up for the least amount brains you have.
@@officialconch keep it pushing
J Cole tryna be as peaceful as Andre 3k, but his ego wont let him, hence why hes still in the crossfire
Cole is in the crossfire because he is a hypocrite and gaslighting us. He has a history of dissing rappers and then apologising. How and why is Cole at 40yrs old being influenced by the internet and friends? Cole takes no accountability and always blames us his fans/friends for his erratic decisions and actions
@@MBALI_LOVE_THANDOwho else has he dissed then apologized after for dissing them ?
@@YfnAntwon Is this a genuine question or you trolling? Are you a Hiphop or Cole fan by any chance?
@ jus explain stop the yapping I asked yu a question 😭
@YfnAntwon I will not be doing any of that 😁
I have two diverging opion. Either J Cole's sincerity comes with a dash of naivety; he thought it was a game and pulled out when he understood the gravity of the situation or he lacks authenticity. This narrative would bring J Cole as being jealous of Kdot and got influenced into coming at Kendrick, not because he is so influenceable, but because he really wanted to, but couldnt fully commit. I would need more evidence to make that strong of a claim, but there lies the duality for me.
I can flow with this wave 😊
I stopped trying to defend Cole a minute ago cuz I realized people are gonna feel how they feel regardless. Cole still my goat
exactly man. ive wasted two much energy tryna defend cole to people who majority of the time never liked him to begin with. its just like cole said in the song, "all for what? to attain props from strangers who dont got a clue what im aiming for." i feel like a lot of cole fans gotta take a page out of his book fr. learn to live and let live because its always gon be detractors especially when youre at the top.
I feel you, Cole is one of my favorites and a top player to me. But he's grown and can handle himself. He doesn't need you or me to protect him.
Jumping in was a clown decision though, I will die on that hill. Might Delete Later was still good minus 7 Minute Drill of course.
Facts. Can't argue with ignorance, I learned that from defending Eminem.
Beta-Boy FANS, no one speaking his talent!!, character he knew that K-Dot an had Beef stop!!
@@blackdynamite4174??...
25:31 to think a UA-camr knows a guy at his core that didn’t even wanna let the world know he was married is crazy… I’m a j.cole fan!
I like him over the other two. But we don’t REALLY know Cole. We be having this para social relationship thinking we really know bro because he relates to our stories when in reality WE DONT KNOW JERMAINE! We don’t know his real insecurities, his flaws, his doubts… but what we do know is HE wrote those words on that 7min drill track. HE went low and attacked Kendrick’s catalog and him as an artist and person. Kendrick ain’t ever til this day hit low on Cole.. but why Cole do that?? BECAUSE THATS HOW HE REALLY FELT! Ain’t nobody tell him to come at DOT like that! That’s was HIS choice. And I believe he was scared he showed his hand, which goes against his brand. But 7min drill… that’s how Cole REALLY felt.
Says nobody really knows Cole...
...Proceeds to say that he knows how Cole really felt with 7MD, going against what Cole HIMSELF explained how the situation went and how he felt about it.
Ok!
@@neil8701 what you mean? Cole told us how he felt with the lyrics to that song. HE WROTE THE LYRICS! I’m not making up what he wrote, he wrote it! lol not only did he write it, he had to record it, listen to it back to make sure it was delivered and listen again to the mastered version.
I don’t think it’s far fetch to say he meant that stuff he wrote.
Now what he said afterwards that’s up for discussion.
@Jpsaidit So then you also know that he DID NOT stand behind those words in 7DM. That's why he apologized and took it down. He said himself he was gassed up by his environment to diss and was probably looking for something to diss about. But if you listen to what he said at Dreamville and to what he rapped on Port Antonio, then you know that 7MD wasn't how he really felt.
That's a whole lot of bolony bruv... J.Cole might have been influenced and gassed to respond, but he was not coerced, no one could have ever forced J.Cole to respond...so although all of this is speculation..it is completely not far fetched to say J.Cole meant some of the things he said on his diss.the only one that would confuse me is the catalogue diss because he should have known that wouldn't stick, Kendrick literally has one of Thee most respected catalogues of the big 3...but still that🥷🏼 had to sit down and think about everything he said on that record..even the disses against Dot's catalogue... I love Cole, I love how he has been portraying himself as a humble guy his whole career..but in that moment he went off brand and he probably realised after the fact..which then made him backtrack and decide against continuing the beef.. but he could have also just regreted the diss..two things can be true at the same time..@@neil8701
@@carlos_sniper 🎯🎯
No way he's been sneak snake dissing for years.
Who lol
Stop getting your information from rap videos bro. Subliminals our not proven fact. That's why they our Subliminals. To leave that ambiguous nature. So all that sneak dissing shit is dead. Plus cole took a punch from p diddy for kendrick.
@@ThatGuy-dn9nobuddy that last part tells me u also get ur info from YT. BTW a sub is a diss so yes he been sneak dissin. Besides the sneak dissin he claimed the thrown, Sumn came 2 challenge and he sat down like daddy's bih
@@ya_Boi_BK No my guy, I get my information from Reports,Podcast outlets. You know Something that I can read instead of a 10 minute video. Sub is a diss that is correct. Great job for figuring that out but it is NOT Full direct shot. You as a viewer put 2 together and take it as face value. With the two brain cells you have of course. Now answer me this why would someone sneak dissed a dude he took a punch for from diddy? Just answer me that and you got it!
Can we have more people in hip-hop media with nuance takes like Justice and less middle-aged men with mics in a room competing to yell the most drama-farming sensationalist takes for engagement. It’s really brought down the discourse.
Insane cope. “We ain’t gotta get personal, it’s a friendly fade” “You taking it there, I’m taking it further. That’s something you don’t wanna do” Cole has no claims to the crown anymore, that’s over with. This stain will remain, no matter how well he raps
Facts
@@ernieboy456 it's all subjective anyway. Relax, you probably weren't a Cole fan to begin with.
The track was a 2 pack of NyQuil
Your argument was lost when you said Jay Z lost which he did. But you can't be the best when you are scared to back up your words at competing. As far as the competition part Cole never knew the direction of the battle because he pulled out before it started.
It is confirmed schoolboy q told him where it was headed and to back out. Cole would've looked dumb boxing lyrically while drake and Kendrick were going at each other with serrated machetes.
@@KachiPorraa Actually it was never confirmed to this day it is speculation that School boy Q did. Do you know Kendrick talked to Drake before the beef kicked off to keep it a friendly beef that is confirmed so there was no need for Cole to get out so stop with that
@bozosworld5806 people just be lying on the internet who knew 🤯
@@bozosworld5806 I think Cole being in the industry is more aware on where things can go than those who are on the outside listening
@@wh0_odat644 well he is almost 40 why did he reply in the first place make it make sense
The way jcole moved during this, made me respect him so much. I respect Kendrick and Cole, they showed me 2 sides of integrity and morality on 2 different scenarios of a conflict. Both their words ring so true in todays environment.
You do know every battle has had some kind of tea. Two he quit before Drake dropped a song so no one knew where it came from. You can't punch someone in the face and then say i'm sorry
Bad analogy. It wasn't a punch it was a warning shot. Dude wasn't even rapping to his highest degree
@@wh0_odat644 he jumped out the window and then punked out
First off, Cole did say he didn't feel like it, he dropped a "Are you sure you want to go there" diss and was like "wait a minute this is how I moved back in the day, im not like that now" so it makes sense why 7 minute drill is underwhelming, Cole had intel about the beef and Drake left dreamville fest because of that, or well, didn't appear.
So Cole did know where this would go, which doubled down on his feelings and he saw the talk, he knew people weren't buying it.
Overall he did not back out because he's afraid, thats the main point.
@@MortalKombateditz then he got that from Drake because Dot and Drake had a conversation before the battle to keep it clean and just rap
@@bozosworld5806 quite ironic, when Drake was the one to make it personal with Whitneys name in his first response
Naw jfold 4eva
Im mixed right now. Cole will always be one of the best rappers of my generation, and I won't stop listening to him, but the im the best bars just dont hit the same.
The mixed stuff is mainly around how you see the "beef." Like, does this change if Drake doesnt call out Kendricks wife? Dot even mentioned it was a friendly fade on Euphoria, he also mentioned it was supposed to be a competition in the game on MTG.
I think Cole and Kendrick could have had it out in a vaccum, then Drake and Kendrick could have done what they did.
Its also weird to say you're outta the big 3 and its freeing...but then you're the one saying you're big 3 on the FPS.
Its just a bit wishy washy. Edit: Also dont know how I feel about a grown man getting peer pressured into a fight.
Exactly
Just a few points: I like what you said around the 25 minute mark about people not liking who he is...that's 100% factual; Cole's only mistake was being human. He allowed others around him to influence him to do things that went against his nature. Also, people are confusing Cole saying he's the best with him saying he wants the crown. Doesn't he have a voiceover on one song talking about destroying the crown because there is no king? He considers himself to be finally free because he can now make music, which HE considers to be the greatest, without feeling the need to satisfy the masses by being their king.
Edit: 29 minutes in you were COOKING!!
EVERYONE can't be wrong lol 😂 Cole DOES have a problem, it's called throwing stones and hiding his hands. He'll never beg for smoke ever again after this. The rap world is healing itself.
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Alright I heard it all lol bruh you’re 110% wrong @iusetobepay Jcole and Kendrick was due to be a lyrical battle not no malicious battle at all. I don’t know if you’re the only one who thought Drake and Kendrick beef was going to be displayed on the same way but people knew. Drake and Kendrick obviously we knew how by Drake’s previous battles was that it was going to turn a way. Same reason why on Euphoria Kendrick said “this doesn’t have to be personal it can be a friendly fade” which you fail to mention that. Kendrick knew drakes angle. It was very predictable. J Cole coming out like that didn’t need to 1. Happen nor 2. Come off discrediting Kendrick’s discography and height. Which it easily could’ve been a lyrical friendly fade. Gang you’re 110% wrong. The port Antonio is cope and cap as well. I have no clue what you’re seeing but you’re failing to understand it all lol
talk to this nigga man fr lol 🗣️
It was war. War is a competition; it was a competition. It was just not a friendly one. We can dimiss this as semantics, but the reason why Kendrick won was mainly because he was better prepared. J Cole didn't need schoolboy to realise the stakes. J Cole didn't need to be gazed up to go for Kendrick. I like J Cole and I like alot of his artistic attempts that are regarded as his worst work. I give him grace because he seems like a genuine dude, but there were enough instance where he was acting sus that I also have my part of doubts.
Tbh after this song i think J Cole is the true king he understands the purpose of music
Cope
Finally somebody made the perfect video explaining this, this went over a lot of people’s heads fr, a rap battle and a character assassination beef is different. Y’all forget that before the whole situation started j.cole wanted to get all three on a song and y’all wanted him to hit a 180 and attack Kendrick’s or drake’s character, a rap beef and a rap battle is different. Rap beef is based on hate towards each other and rap battles are based in competition between each other
23:20 Nah cause Cole was the first to drop a diss track and he apologized before anyone else released anything
Although he may have had conversations behind the scenes that let him know what was going to happen
Your comparisons to Nikki, Wayne, and Jay don’t quite work because none of them back out lol
But I do agree that its not really a thing to revoke goat status off of beefs. Andre 3k was never in a major beef and he is in most hip hop heads top 10 at least
There is still no proof that Q even did any of that, why are we running with that narrative? Cole stated exactly why he was apologizing on stage at Dreamville yet gives a different reason now?! Hypocrisy and gaslighting the audiance at best....
Never forget 7 minute drill
J Cole “never saying shit worth listening to.” is an unhinged hot take. I had to stop the video when she said that.
Love the cope but it has 0 affect on me
Lmao
Lyrically speaking, 7 minute drill comes in last out of all the songs. Cole really don't have a leg to stand on, besides his stans propping him up.
Ok this is crazy, no shot it was worse than heart part 6 😂 it was dull, sure. But let's be real
No "Crown" is worth losing your friends over
2 things can be true. He shouldn’t have hopped in the beef but he also put out a mid diss he didn’t believe in
People be so loud and wrong. The girl in the video saying it’s about competition and it always was
Meanwhile Kendrick: “This ain’t about who the greatest this always been about love and hate now let me say I’m the biggest hater”
Yeah it’s all about competition 🤡
And they be like " Oh bUt KEnDrIcK wOuLd dIsS cOlE dIfFeReNtLy "
Meanwhile Kendrick on Euphoria
" Whoever that's fkin' with him, fk you ngas, and fk the industry too "
For people that do mental gymnastics over Kennys bars they for sure miss often.
Im a Kendrick fan but this glaze is immaculate.
Deleted..go watch..all FACTS
When you realize the cover art is a silhouette of jcole and drake in port Antonio Jamaica the hypocrisy of his words begin to settle in
Hella 🧢!!!!
How is Drake there? I don't see one similar figure to Drake there.
@@wh0_odat644 my wife lives in Portland buff bay. Trust me they were there. Wish i could post pictures to UA-cam comments 😐
@@MortalKombateditz my wife lives in Portland buff bay believe me it is a silhouette of them.
I am not a jcole hater. I've defended his music all the way through. He lost me with this, he should've stood ten toes down
I agree with everything you said.
When a rapper cannot stand by what they have released and publicly said, back peddle, explain their reasoning, then when that entire situation is over release an entry to the rap beef AFTER ITS OVER and then keep it up because he stepped out of the line of fire, they immediately lose respect. It's not like if Eddie van Halen said he sucks at singing. Nobody would care. But rapping is one of the most lyric based genres period, cole made attempts to tell good stories in his music too. So when you lose that, when you show the world you could've done something but then said no, when you publicly retrace your steps out of the beef and make drake look tougher for getting his ass whooped but not fleeing from kendrick, you're done for. His feature on asap rockys song was so out of place and try hard. This song doesn't even feel like it should be made. He says nothing new here he didn't already state previously. He's lost respect and to hop on this sad boy beat and give a little life story of himself again which is too repetitive in his career
Oh yea you’re a STAN stan. I had hope for you before this video but nah, you were waiting for the first opportunity to defend J. Clown
Go ahead and explain how. And don't say some bs like 'bro did u watch the video?? durr'. Explain how any of this is staning? It's funny. Ironic too. That song is speaking exactly about people like you.
Listen Dude!, he violated rules of engagement, He started First Person Shooter. Stop my Guy hold the L. Not about Like. Im sure if him K-Dot set the rules..same out come, Stop Beta-Boy Fans.
This is rewriting history. And Cole d-suckers are the ones crying like you. Not Drizzy or Dot supporters who are calling his BS. 1. K Dot called out both for FPS on Like That. That’s where the battle started. The internet did not start this. Just because people profited does not change that. Even Cole says he is for people making money in his first verse. So how is he gonna blame people for profiting on this and accuse them is starting this? 2. Cole reacted first on 7 MD before it became personal - if he’s close to both he should have foreseen or know about them not liking each other. Nit to call out Dot in FPS (his verse is what started this) and to not drop 7MD. 3. Cole should not have intimated directly or indirectly that he would have won. Or not lost. After choosing not to fight, you cannot then claim you would have won. It’s hypocritical to say that. You virtually must accept that you are not part of the battle and sit on the bench and watch. Call yourself the best rapper all you want don’t even perceive victory on a battle your chicken out of. Are you kidding me. Those are the two main issues people have with Cole. His flip flopping, hypocrisy, self delusion and can’t back it up BS! 3. No one is writing of his history. He actually denigrated 2PAB. I don’t remember him apologizing for that. Or withdrawing that statement. Or apologizing. He never did. Listen to his BS speech and tell me he did. He’s lucky Dot did not smoke his ass just for that. 4. Cole is a grown man , actually older than the other 2 combatants in the battle. To be forced by whoever to enter a battle that he does not feel is right shows a weak character trait. He should have stuck to his initial stance just than bring up some more BS and stupid rationalizations after the fact. You are just a Cole fan and choose not to see the valid criticisms against him and this track. And hardly anyone is doubting his skills. I love Cole too.
Idk man if my friend dropped our collab album, is going on tour with, and making multiple songs with my biggest opp that ain't no bro to me.
But i guess cole got a different definition of friendship. But to me they just seemed like acquaintances.
Cole has been collabing and out and about with Drake throughout the last ten years...as he did the same with Kendrick. This recent run with Drake is no different than what he's been doing.
You make subjective statement seem like objective truth. Come on man? First your choice of Jay Z as the GOAT is subjective. Arguably maybe but universally., no! Genius lyricist, off the dome lyrics for all his songs and stuff but GOAT is more than that. And calling or implying that people who disagree with your opinion, not facts but opinion, liars? Come on man? Listen to yourself sometimes. Some diss songs are not worth responding to. In my opinion and I think that’s what Dot, Nas, Em think as well. Just my opinion. And you gonna call me a liar just because you think those songs need resounding to? Come on, man!
The main issue is his narrative of people wanting to see blood, people just wanted to see a good competition. Everyone always brings up 2pac and Big but no one mentions how Nas & Jay squashed the beef, MC Eiht & DJ Quik squashed theirs, even Beanie & Jadakiss after nearly threatening each other and being completely disrespectful. The truth is Cole could’ve kept it competitive and not " lost a bro”, it just feels like he was ducking the smoke after asking for it.
doesnt matter how competitive cole kept it if his opponent still went for the juggular. then we have a situation where cole keeps it friendly and kendrick tries to assassinate his character the way he did drake. then either cole is just a shell of his former self or he goes back just as hard and says things he can never take back. either way he can throw away any friendship he ever had with kendrick.
@@MMCLLC7 all these are what if’s and theoreticals but what happened in reality was Cole was baited into dissing him and Cole let his boys gas him up that was his first mistake, do you think Kendrick would let Keem gas him up into pressuring him to do something he doesn’t wanna do? No, take some accountability for your actions. His second mistake wasn’t dissing him but Port Antonio, if he wanted to give his perspective on the beef and not pick sides that’s fine but shouting Drake out on the same song is weird, he’s giving mixed signals
I’m sorry man but how many times has Cole rapped about snatching the crown??? He would have lost a friend because it was not actually a friendly fade? NO. It could’ve been between him and them. It wasn’t ABSOLUTELY a character assassination unless you or them took it that far. Would’ve been fun and would’ve backed up ALLLLLLLL the shit you spat about the pen game. But nah. You knew what you were doing Cole hopping on 1st person shooter. And then apologizing for slapping back in actuality a cool manner. And then making a record tal bout, “I’m the best they lucky I didn’t get involved”. Like your friend got his ass whooped and you did nothing then said, “I didn’t get involved cause I value my peace, but if I did get involved and defended you getting jumped I woulda whooped all of them.” That’s the type of dude that I get a text about 5 years later saying, “yeah he’s gone btw, remember that dude? We got em. Fake ass.”
Ive never heard so much excuses in one video.smh
Making excuses for jcole again.
What's being excused? Wanting to keep friends? How dare Cole try and keep his relationship in tact with Drake and Kendrick. That's essentially what you're saying. You could replace Kendrick with Cole's own bestest friend, it's going the same way 10x over. He expected a clash of pens, what he got was a clash of beliefs and ideals. It's literally not the battle he wanted, so he left. Nothing. Absolutely nothing about that is an excuse. It's immensely morally reprehensible to trash people that you consider a friend. Especially when it doesn't involve you.
@@Pufflord friendship intact? He didn’t think of his friend when he released his diss to Kendrick, oh but he remember they were friends a week later and apologized, and where was he all this time to show support to his friend Drake when he was in the fire? Not even a tweet of support, now here he is months later with excuses and shades, when most everyone had given him a pass for apologizing, so he ruined a really nice song with unnecessary nonsense.
@@melsaint8616 So you blatantly just ignored what I said and my point. Thanks. 👍
I find it funny that these unhealed heathens of the hip-hop community are the same people who made the likes of Sexy Redd and Lil Pump famous the same people who were co signing street beef with drill music as well stripper culture in hip-hop are now all of a sudden hip-hop analysis when it comes to cole...... if he's to be accused of "flip flopping" he surely isn't the ONLY ONE 🫵🏾 now let THAT sink in 🤔
Honestly I just want the dam fall off album
Bro facts! Just drop the album idc about this beef anymore, it’s over.
Because Cole & Kendrick had the relationship you described there's NO reason to believe it would've went the same way as Dot & Drake
Ah, one of the few intellectually honest takes around! I don't see that much these days.
It baffles me to see how many people misread/misunderstand everything Cole has said and done. Either people lack critical thinking skills, they simply don't like Cole or they're mad because they didn't get the (figurative) bloodshed that they actually wanted but now pretend as if that wasn't what people were yearning for and as if it realistically could've been kept friendly while Kdot and Drake were at actual war. They rather call you an apologist instead 🤦🏿♂️
We don’t have a problem with J Cole. J Cole has a problem with backpedaling.
Some people in the comment section are literally proving coles and this videos point even further and it's funny.
Always been a HUGE fan of the big 3 from the begging J Cole being my favorite but he and Drake to Major hits in this whole battle Cole went out sad I feel like he was trying to ride for Drake when he dropped that 7 minute freestyle I always said he jumped the gun he should of let Drake drop first but here we are 2 major Ls for Drake and Cole
Judging from mixed interpretations in the comments Punch from TDE said it best, we need a book on how to understand bars, or an app.
The fact is that j. Cole really is the best rapper period." JUST LISTEN"
Not all beef has to be personal. You can send shots to other rappers because rap has always been like a sport where rappers compete against one another to show who’s the top dog.
What happened between Kendrick and Drake was bond to happen regardless because those dudes just don’t like each other and haven’t for a long time.
Cole had his opportunity to put his skills to the test and go toe to toe for the crown. And he didn’t. People always talk about the Big 3, but let’s keep it 100. Everyone always views Cole as the 3rd best out of the 3 and it’s for shit like this he’ll never enter GOAT conversations.
my arch nemisis ngl this is a great take expect to see you in my response love the grind brother
Glaze fest cummon man I didn't think u would be Coles Akademiks
This is a terrible take, Pay
Might as well title this video: "Letter to the Kendrick glazers". We all know who the people crying about Cole are, that "algorithm bot" bar really got a lot of people in their feelings 😂😂
Is Mal a Kendrick glazer as well?
Ride Tuah 😂
@@Channel19972 bet you stay doing tricks on it 🤣🤣
@@derek3754 Watchu talkin bout
Lol! The people you are presenting as "considered" GOAT's are generally barbershop goats. They are the ones people generally argue against being in the top 10 (excluding Jay-Z and that's a tenure pick) Nicki even gets dismissed from top 50 lists sometimes because of how bad her diss tracks have been (not I, but I have seen it) . So, yea... no. But also, no to most of this. Cole's consistent flip flopping was ok before because people gave him a pass. But port antonio is just the final straw. Now, it's looking like a character flaw- not something you can understand under particular circumstances.
He flipped flopped... even though he referenced Kendrick and Drake, and outwardly showed support for both of them? He called Kendrick his "bro" and say Drake would always be his nigga... So what exactly got flip flopped on?
fresh off the goddamn press
I agree with the points you made but I also agree with hers. HE told us he was the greatest and that he’d slide on anyone who wants the smoke. Then smoky the bear came out of hibernation and he started copping pleas
I been saying this
People give opinions without actually trying to test their judgement. Majority of people are usually wrong, because great minds are few.
finally some one is not following the false narrative
Saying this was about competition is crazy. Cole talking about discographies was the closest this got to competition, drake and kendrick were nowhere near being about pure competition lmao. I respect Cole for standing on his decision. Him speaking on it was corny but you people mad weird for saying he wants to "inherit" the crown. Lmao,weird takes fr
I remember he was conflicted 😐
Weak take! All you saying is take everything Cole says at face value like he has been oblivious to everything beforehand, and you would have to exclude all his sneak disses at KENDRICK leading up to this. He had to sneak dis on scary hours with drake where he said something like I’m rearranging that DNA. You expect me and everybody to just be like “aw Cole ain’t even know” WEAK HE WEAK BUM and that’s okay, but a lot of people ain’t with that. He hiding
Im glad theres another opposing view to the popular opinion even though I disagree with some of this.
2:54 He said what he said. If he wanted to say something different, he should have. 😅
All the contradictions in J Coles lyrics and actions are terrible. How could you defend someone so dilusional. Terrible video Pay. Still love Cole and the your channel tho!
The only way J Cole can win his side of the beef is by making a better album than Drake and Kendrick. He don’t got hate for them so the only option is to top both of their next works which will be difficult tbh
Cole & Kendrick wouldn’t go as far in terms of disrespect like Drake did
Why did he think itd be a regular beef so y’all sayin Cole slow…..?
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Leave the nice guy alone 🤦🏾♀️
the girl on tiktok was spitting ngl
Finally someone gets it
I agree with about 80% of this video. Towards the end it got a lil cope-ish
But your response to that HATING ASS TikTok was on point. Btw shorty was making valid points but also saying a bunch of hateful bullshit, so I can’t respect it.
Not buying any of this Cole throws rocks and hides his hands . It’s cowardly
How? Explain? Because from any sane person's point of view... He's a regular human with changing ideas, feelings, and emotions. He got caught up, made a decision he regretted, and promptly backed out. He's allowed to consider himself the best when it comes to rap. But there is no option for Cole when you ask 'Who is the best between Kendrick and Drake?' And even then those two wanted each other to essentially die. Cole stepped in expecting a clash of pens. Not a clash of ideals and beliefs.
@@Pufflord bro there’s no stepping a side if you you the best. If you step a side and say sorry for your diss. Don’t pick up the mic again talking like you gone smoke everyone. We just watched you say sorry my bro not buying it
@@urbz100 Wow, you're actually ridiculous.
@18:53 Mamn SHUT UP🤦♂
6:41 bro the first one is literally the context of the battle lmao kendrick felt he was a better rapper than cole and drake. like u broke the beef down so i dont even gotta explain why this look wild in the light fam & also we dont wanna hear cole talmbout killin a nigga lyrically when we heard 7 minute drill gang. that shit was ass. idc why he released it, idc how long it was out. he wrote it recorded it, uploaded it & let it rock. that was buns. his pen is not scary no more. and cole told US he was the best rapper SPECIFICALLY OUTTA THE BIG 3. this really is 30 mins of cope brody. the battle WAS competition AT FIRST. it changed when drake dropped family matters. u creating a whole fake ass narrative like kendrick was tryna destroy niggas careers or sumn. in THE SAME SONG U REFERENCED he says WE AIN GOTTA GET PERSONAL ITS A FRIENDLY FADE WE SHOULD KEEP IT THAT WAY like cmon fam 🤦🏾 u coping. u can love cole music & recognize the mans flaws.
Sir you are 100% gaslighted we heard what we heard he loves to talk whit and can't back it up
yall are corny asl. people are allowed to have opinions its not gaslighting just because we feel differently about something than you. you dont have any facts you dont know the people involved in this personally. none of us do. whether youre a fan or a hater its parasocial. so youre free to feel how you want but dont accuse people who disagree as being manipulated.
Justice, what happened to your hair
war is not a competition. competition has rules, winners and losers, and its fair. war has no rules, anything can happen, and usually its a loss for everyone involved, including the perceived winners. like how america won wwii by bombing japan. that haunts this country to this day but hey we won right?
and for the record, the way everybody was so excited to see cole and kendrick go back and forth and had no idea it was gonna get that personal, is the same way cole thought it would be like that. just because it turned out to be a full on war now people wanna act like they always saw this coming so why couldnt cole of all people do the same?
lastly in this current state of hip hop im bothered by ALL the revisionist history going around. but more importantly im annoyed that the people doing most of that revisionist history are the main ones accussing others exercising logic and naunce and independent thinking as doing the same.
but hey maybe im the one being delusional 🙄 i swear this culture is cooked
Yay I am here first
He represents nothing. He's proven that.
Wdym he didn’t sign up for it, this is hip hop right? Why are we acting like the internet perverted hip hop and that before it was just about lyrics or artistry when shits always been vicious. If he wanted to just, “be J Cole,” why did he claim to be the best rapper? That’s a competitive claim, if you don’t want to even compete about it it’s definitely false. Also how is Kendrick his friend if Kendrick dissed him first, what type of friend is that? Who starts rapping to be friends with other rappers, foh with that bullshit. J Cole, and Kendrick for that matter act like they’re above the game, they just show it in different ways. Honestly I don’t like any of them, drake has some good songs tho. Kendrick and Drake are pop rappers. J Cole has weak beats, weak presence on the track, sleepy boring music.
This is some gas lighting bullshit
Kendrick won because people had decided beforehand that they wanted him to win.
He also had the industry and media behind him
Kendrick won because he put out the better diss records. Come on man. Are we gonna act like NLU wasn’t a huge summer hit? Before Euphoria people were saying Drake had Dot scared.
@@jsun7972 Drake has better bars though. Kendrick has still yet to respond to the allegations put forth by Drake while Drake did
Yoo