Llama Omni
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Llama was never the most prestigious of the three major Spanish pistol makers, and in the 1980s they decided to have a try at an upscale new pistol. The design was done by an American, Gary Wilhelm, who worked with the Stoeger company (which was Llama’s US importer). The gun was offered in both .45 ACP and 9mm Parabellum, with the 9mm version offering a semi-double-stack 12 round magazine. The gun has a very complex fire control system, with rollers, ball bearings, and dual trigger bars for single and double action. It was also very expensive, costing some $600 when new (nearly double the price of many comparable pistols, like the S&W Model 39). It was only in production from 1982 until 1986, and was by all definitions a commercial flop. The less-than-elegant lines, cost, complexity, and Llama’s generally poor reputation combined to quickly sink it.
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“Gun Jesus Has a Stroke”
hahahaa
😂😂😂. JESUS IS TALKING IN TONGUES
Always Sunny theme
Absolutely! Definitely got a little irritated!
Llama Llama Nominee Omni Llami or something
Spain must have had a powerful spring manufacturing lobby.
Big $pring owns llama
Lmao
Is funny because is half-true.
We put springs on literally everything you can imagine.
For some reason...
@E ZA One big hotel and brothel
@@Pokesus actually true, I'm Spanish and I have springs in my shoes
@E ZA Botellón industries >Inc. for drunken british and germans !
You've seen kraut space magic, but are you ready for Spanish dirt sorcery?
CETME: Why not both?
@@thespanishinquisition4078 best comment of the day
@@snotcycle and nobody expected it
@@thespanishinquisition4078 I was not expecting you...
@@zacharyrollick6169 No-one expects them.
"Apply a light coat of oil to all moving parts"
-One quart of oil later....
Just dip the whole thing in and let it sit for a hour. Take it out of the oil and dry it off. It would probably be easier and faster than trying to disassemble this thing.
@@D0NtPh34rTh3R34p3R Ah, the "my mechanical watch fell in the water" technique.
"By the way, I didn't even mention that there's ball bearings in there."
THERE'S WHAT IN THE WHAT NOW.
True, but every single F model Beretta 92, Cougar, and Stoeger Cougar has a ball bearing for the decocker function, except those with no decocker or the decocker is deactivated. Ball bearing.
"disassembly starts easily to give you a false sense of security"
"Who puts ball bearings in a handgun?"
This is the first video I've seen where Ian doesn't seem stoked *at all* to disassemble it.
Spanish-German Space Magic!
Damn, I saw this comment right after he said it
indeed haha
M Kalashnikov: The complicated thing is making things simple.
G Wilhelm: No.
yup!!!
Well we are talking about a man who designed a .22 Luger.
Ian finds man on his knees sobbing in a field. What happened he asks. It started malfunctioning and tried to fix it by field stripping this Llama Omni, the springs went boing and some of the ball bearing fell out. Ian gives a knowing nod and backs away slowly.
"So we got 12 rounds in there, how many witness holes should we put on the magazine?"
"...maybe."
The Russians: "Simple things is better than big complicate."
The Germans: "Complexity ist ze best way to ensure kvality."
The Spanish: **insane giggling**
SPRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNGGS!!!!!!!!!
"Let him that hath understanding count the number of the springs: for it is the number of a Llama ; and their number is 13."
Fourteen shalt thou not count, neither count thou twelve, excepting that thou then proceedest top thirteen. Fifteen is right out!
Remember the Breda LMG vid? I counted 20
Bathtub gun: a gun you step into the bathtub, close the drain, and close the shower curtain before disassembly and cleaning.
Preferably a plug type drain.
@@zacharyrollick6169 yeah, the rubber plug or a piece of tape is mandatory.
Broken_Yugo unironically how I built my first AR lower
@@RTJsims I'm still looking for a safety detente pin that jettisoned itself somewhere a couple months ago.
@@tyrannosaurusimperator Murphy's Law states that someone will call the police on you for fiddling with what appears to be firearms parts in your glovebox, despite you being their lifetime neighbour, an upstanding citizen and in a locked garage with no windows.
Finally, a gun for the miniature collectors! Lots of fiddly small bits that are always in danger of being lost in the carpet are what we do best!
I literally red this right as he said "fiddly bits" hahahahahha
This is not the kind of gunpla I appreciate, good sir, not at all!
“This has gone all quite wrong now....” sounds like the end of my last relationship
Was it as chaotic as the internals of this pistol?
Sounds like my entire life
A very British relationship, obviously Xp
I couldn't help but do the text "Several moments later ..." in a heavily nasal French accent as though I was explaining May of 1940.
You took your partner apart and couldn't figure out how to put them back together?
I imagine Wile E. Coyote taking it out of an "ACME" box and when he tries to shoot Road Runner, all 14 springs let go from all sides...
😄
i can actaully see that right now
lmaoo that’s exactly what would happen it’s so funny how the premise for loony toons and Tom and jerry where all about how 1 animal escapes the other animal😂 litterally every episode the other animal never gets caught
"THERE'S BALL BEARINGS INSIDE THERE! Who puts ball bearings in their pistol?!"
I had to stop and rewatch that because I couldn't stop laughing. You know you messed up a pistol design when you get a reaction like that from a firearms expert/historian/engineer. I still can't make it through that portion of the video without laughing.
When I design a pistol I am going to add ball bearings for the _explicit_ purpose of making Ian's head explode. (It is also going to be a gas piston operated automatic Nagant style revolver. 😜)
It would be OK if it fired the ball bearings!
He's not an engineer. He started out as a machinist.
"C'mon guys... It's ALL all ball bearings nowadays."
I just can't imagine what a ball bearing do in a pistol. .
"false sense of security"
Me: it can't be that bad
Ian: "it has ball bearings"
Me: 🤯
Where did that ball bearing go??
@@tyrannosaurusimperator 🤣😂
This video was sponsored by the spring producers association
Her: "promise me you won't act weird in front of my family"
Me: "no worries"
Always me after 3 glasses of wine: 0:01
Perfect xD
Gun Jesus: pronounce other strange and foreign gun names perfectly
Also gun Jesus: has stroke pronouncing llama omni
It's a reference to the children's book "Llama Llama Red Pajama."
I had one of the 9mm “double stacks”. It was probably the most accurate factory DA/SA pistol I’ve ever shot. Was forced to sell it when my daughter decided to come 3 months early and hospital bills were more important than having an extra gun. Something few people ever mention is the Omni was an easy gun to shoot fast. The ball bearing make the hammer move very smoothly and the triggers are excellent. The looks aren’t what most people wanted then but the ergonomics are much better than you would think for just looking at it.
It actually look pretty nice :D
I like your pfp
Yeah It looks well made except for being to complex.
For the most part Spanish made firearms are well made and do work great. Of course you wouldn't know that by all the hate they get.
I had a Star Firestar which was a double stack single action pistol. It had a Browning style tipping barrel for a locking system that worked great till it was stolen from my home. It was a great little piece and I only had maybe 2 or 3 failures to feed in 8 years and it was really simple to assemble and disassemble which is this firearms only but major down fall unfortunately LOL. No other problems. Easy to correct with a tap to the slide and those failures msy have been my fault for not making sure the rounds were aligned in the magazine.
Its aesthetic is close to a Browning GP DA. But this gun is really over complicated.
@@methodeetrigueur1164 agreed I like everything about it except its break down. To many pieces to lose and must be a bitch to clean LOL!
@@roberttrester4030 Right on! I have Llama MAX-1 in .45. It always works and can use standard GI magazines. Llama went out of business for a while, but they're back now. ^_^
Excellent review, I learned lots. I have a Llama 45 cal, and have to say it shoots very comfortably for a large caliber; tight groupings, great sights, and no jams. I field strip it, clean it, oil it, and put it back together. All is good. It's heavy but I'd have no issue using it in a pinch as it is so easy to shoot and make hits. If you see one at a good price , grab it.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen Ian appear genuinely intimidated by a disassembly before...
G11.
Thanks,Ian. I have had an Omni 45 for many years and learned more about it from your work than in all those years. Your assessment is correct,complicated,bulky and strange looking. But mine is reliable,accurate and fits me well. I just hope it never breaks.
German Gun manufacturers: "we have very complex firearms"
Llama: "let me introduce myself"
Don't you mean "Allow myself to introduce myself."
I would go either with Llama: Nobody expect the Spanish arms industry or Llama: Here's a little lesson in machinery...
@@airplanenut89 damn I like that 1st one, I should have posted that lol
@@pappajudas9267 ya I was watching it on my lunch break & was trying to quickly reply before someone took it
00:00 to 00:05 This is why we love Ian. Reminds me of my first visit to a Pentecostal Holiness Church
"Disassembly starts easy here, to give you a false sense of security..." Ahh that made my morning. Reminds me of the fun times watching you disassemble the AK-53
Thanks Ian. I've got an interest in Spanish pistols by virtue of owning an Astra Constable in .380. It's very well made, and I've never had a stoppage with it. It would probably be the last gun I ever sold. I'd like to have an Astra A-80 too.
Llama made some very nice revolvers back in the day I actually collect them they're not worth much people don't know what they are and I can usually pick one up for a song when I find it lol
For sure the revolvers are lovely. Not Colt quality but easily as nice as a S&W of its time but not quite the same nitre blue finish though.
Any other obscure revolver manufacturers? Like if Beretta made one, or there was a “Donkey Revolver Company LLC”?
Well, now they know.:)
If you can solve the paperwork a llama revolver can be found in Spain for as low as 75€... mostly old 4" 38 revolvers (llama comanche...)
I have a comanche 3 in 357mag that i really enjoy plinking away with.
Llama company: we are going to call ourselves llama, because it means flame and its cool for fire weapons
Ian: I'm just going to call them llama like those weird southamerican donkeys because it's easier
I thought it was a conjugation of llamar, for "to call"
@@EthanDyTioco yes
In Spanish both the "weird southamerican donkey" llama and the "flame" llama are pronounced the same: /jama/
As you're all suggesting with no context the word could mean "flame", "(he/she) calls", or the animal, all of them pronounced the same way in spanish.
@@posnolose8325 Translation of your comment for others and so you can learn English if you want :) :
"They are homophones (I'm talking in Spanish because my English is very bad)
First, "llama" is the action of calling (he/she/it calls)
Secondly, "llama" can refer to a flame
Thirdly, it can be "llama" referring to the South American camelid"
Ye, though I walk through the disassembly of the Omni of Llama, I will fear no e-clips: for thou art with me; thy guide rod and thy spring they comfort me. Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with gun oil; my workbench runneth over [with errant springs]. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of gun jesus for ever.
You win the Internet for today.
Amen!
Suddenly there's the ping of a spring letting go and flying out of visual range.
*Father, why have you forsaken me!?*
@@clothar23 I don't even want to know what the trophy or certificate for that award looks like...
That fan reflecting off the slide...
PPS-43: "I'm pretty happy my trigger spring does like 3 things at once."
Llama Omni: "Mate, I've got like 6 trigger springs. My life is so complicated, you wouldn't believe."
Here's a llama,
There's a llama,
And another little llama,
Fuzzy llama,
Funny llama,
Llama llama,
Duck.
Haven't thought about that song in about a decade
i got ya beaten...I never heard it.
@@tomschweikert9537 Here ya go!
ua-cam.com/video/KMYN4djSq7o/v-deo.html
Oh you fiend!! I had never heard that before and now it’s stuck in my brain!!!
Thanks for introducing me to a real gem!
Oh my god yes!
Oh the nastalgia...
Thank you sir for posting this.
Ian: *doesn't want to touch the e-clips on the Omni because that's just asking for trouble*
Also Ian: *fiddles with the extremely fragile bipod of a real FG-42, a gun which is worth more than his worldly possessions combined*
Pretty sure that the only FG Ian has really fiddled with is the SMG reproduction. And damn do I want that gun!
@@ScottKenny1978 Ian has posted at least a couple videos where he disassembled original FG-42s in this channel. One of them was at RIA and I think sold for more than a quarter million dollars in auction shortly afterwards. I'm not sure how much Ian is worth, but I'd dare say that 250 grand would be a sizeable bite of whatever that number is..
I wonder what it shoots like. That $600 is REALLY expensive for the 80's.
It would want to shoot MoA out of the box to justify the hell that awaits come detail strip time. Fourteen springs, 2 E clips and a damn ball bearing is crazy talk
@@mulgerbill That gives me a headache just thinking about it.
Probably shoots full auto and out of battery when you drop the slide because the firing pin is galled and peened.
I bought this exact model in '87 at a discount price. Llama made a good attempt at putting ergonomic design into this pistol, and it shows up while handling and shooting the pistol. It shoot very accurately, and the mass of the handle spreads the recoil nicely. The magazines springs were a bit sensitive to short loading, and more difficult to load to their max. Never a misfire though, you could shoot it till fully dirty and it would keep banging away. Easily digested both lead and jacketed ammo.
I just bought a mint one and it shoots great. Its basically 2 gun mechanisms in one gun and have to trear it as such when cleaning
I loved Llama's line of 'baby' 1911's in .22lr ,32, and .380 A lot of Major Manufacturers saw the dollar signs in an American market for 1911 designs and are now enjoying the success of those lines. Llama must have had a poor market research team and folded before they could capitalize.
"Sir, your llama just bit Ted Kennedy."
"Well, good."
"you can meet my llama"
- chief keef, 2013
In Spongebob narrator voice: "Severäl minütes latör..."
you too, huh?
This is actually a cool pistol to me, because it is so complicated. As an engineering student I was taught to orthogonalize every component of a design and find a solution for it. This pistol is an amazing example on how that method works perfectly, but it doesn't always lead to the most easy to make, cost effective and efficient design. The upside is that everything about the separate components can be specified and calculated, giving you an easier way to design something new. Mechanisms we know now often have had decades to develop into the most simple as they can be, and can thus not necessarily be explained why they are made the way they are in terms of calculations or other scientific facts. Very interesting design!
I actually really like the look of the Omni. It's clearly meant to be modern without being yet another hunk of polymer.
It's not easy to find this in Spain at all, lucky boy.
PD: This gun was popular among bodyguards during the hard years of ETA.
Ian - I cant thank you enough for all your uploads. Your dedication is respectable and appreciated.
This is like spaghetti string coding in the form of a gun.
Ugh... I just pictured that code
lmao
This is every client AWS deployment I’ve had to rewrite.
Had one in the LGS i work at. Can confirm that the .45 uses standard 1911 mags. A good decision by Llama IMO.
This is the first time there was suspense if the gun was going to end up back together, what a thriller
"who puts ballbearings in their pistols?!" someone looking for DIY grapeshot?
The same people who make ball bearing locked center fire rifles would be my guess
@@allangibson8494 Those are hunting rifles, though.
I'm going to say that this would probably perform poorly in an InRange mud test.
Straws would be drawn for the cleaning.
Idk...don't you think it could work longer cause one of the trigger bars will still work and the tiny springs are mostly covered? Me thinks it could work if the mud isn't too runny that day.
I'd wish they'd mix the mud the same every time.
that would fail without mud. LOL
I'm going to say that you're rather optimistic if you're willing to state that, in such a situation, it would function _at all._
@@onpsxmember me too, the mud consistency seems to vary wildly from video to video. that plus the fact that they only test each gun once makes the mud test videos pretty much worthless in terms of learning anything. but they're still fun to watch : )
I feel like the designer owned the spring factory that supplied Llama with parts, there's no other explanation.
"letting the blue smoke out of your electronics" 😂😂🙄🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@RocketSurgeon Angry pixies- they bite.
They did the same thing with the double stack H&K P7 model as I recall. P7M13 is the model designation as I recall. Its an easy way to make a simple stack pistol into a double without alot of extra work.
LOL wrote this before I heard Ian explain that exact same thing LOL. I really should finish the video before commenting because this always seems to happen LOL. Coming from a gunsmith and fellow lover of firearms history Ian does such a great job. He really covers everything and very very very seldom makes a mistake (which he corrects immediately)! I tell anyone who want to learn about firearms to watch Forgotten Weapons and InRange Tv! Hell at work if I need to explain something to a customer its typically easier to show them one of these videos LOL.
"This gun has 13 springs."
also
"This was the last gun this company ever made."
Gee I wonder why? Probably that smudgy finish
"It has ball bearings in the pistol under all the springs!"
Oh wow.
I've had a few Llama pistols go through my hands (I've owned two, one a beautiful 1911 semi-clone that would work okay some of the time ... for most of a magazine ... sometimes) and a Micro-Max .380 (kind of a mini 1911 in .380 that I still own that works fine). It seems to me, if you find a Llama pistol that works well, congratulations you have a nice pistol. But if you wind up with one that does not work, you have a paperweight.
I think it's pretty cool looking and can appreciate the the reasoning behind two purpose built trigger bars.
Sig;that’s who puts ball bearings in their pistols. That go flying across the shop never to be seen again. Ask me how I know how LOL 😂
That moment when Ian goes uh oh, when trying to reassemble your over complicated gun.
I was trying to think of another moment like that, couldn't immediately recall.
My only experience with Llama has been their low-end 1911s. My dad had a couple over the years. He wasn’t overly impressed by them either. That said, this pistol is pretty cool. I’d like to give it a try
Yeah, we Germans and Dutch called it a Lama too (not "Ljama"). We liked their 1911 clones here in '80s-90s W.Europe because they were cheap, gunsmithable and compatible with all the cool US import 1911 aftermarket stuff. I don't remember this Omni, this was truly a forgotten weapon for me. Very cool video.
intro almost gave me a stroke
Saw the intro as subtitles in UA-cam preview view and thought the subtitles were screwed up again. They weren't.
I read the title of this as 'Oily Lamas' yeah, I'm still a little drunk from last night.
o_O
@@u2beuser714 Ciders, Magners. too many.
Amazing video! Thank you very much for putting up with the stressful disasembly process for us viewers to see. The interior looks like the one of an airsoft pistol with so many springs!
I can imagine pistol owner lost his breath, while Ian disassembles gun.
Llama animals like to spit loogies
Llama guns like to spit brass
@E ZA um No you spell Llama Llama
lama is like the Dalai lama 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
I now have Ian's fingerprints on record. lol.
I'm sure the registry people at the ATF can recognize his fingerprints at a glance.
@@oktayyildirim2911 "Oh, it's THAT guy again. We'll let him pass."
I'm in love with the look of that finish. That would be a beautiful gun to have and never touch or disassemble.
Ironically, I bought one of the Super Comanche IV 44 magnum revolvers new when they came out. It was actually a fine gun, nicely made and finished.
Well another pistol from my country hahahaha. Nice video as always mister McCollum :^D keep on like always, big hug from spain
*when you're not sure if you heard what you think you heard, or the coffee hasn't kicked in yet
I've always wondered if there was ever a gun that was made overly complex for seemingly no reason, and I think I found it and I never expected it to be as late as the 80's.
This was interesting and I don’t think I would ever buy one, the complexity of the gun would drive me nuts! Thanks for all the information on the Llama Omni!
That opening, Hahaha! God help anyone with a stutter who has a Llama Omni anomaly...
That sounds Ominous!
A normal day at the Llama Armory
Me...lol
Llama: We have made a double stack, DA/SA pistol with over 10 thousand finely pachined parts. It has a safety de cocker and some 14 springs, also very polished metal
Glock: 3 pieces, 1 spring, plastic, take it or leave it
Field stripping the Omni is an armorer level task
Field Stripping this thing is a task no one should be inflicted with..
Llama Omni could, roughly translates to = Flame that lasts forever / Flame that lights everything up ; Pick your choice
I wonder how many of these guns ended up as a handful of parts in the trash due to owner frustration trying to disassemble/reassemble?
A lot are sold in a bag disassembled
When It says "Gabilondo y Cía" It means "Gabilondo and company"
Even though I’m like 9 hours late, this may be the earliest ive ever been to a gun Jesus video. Spend so much time watching the back log of old uploads that I didn’t realize I wasn’t even subbed. Def corrected that issue and turned on notifications. Great content.
A friend of mine got one of these in a nickel or chrome finish in 45 acp NIB in the mid to late 80's. The trigger was unrivaled.. the smoothest trigger in double action imaginable ! Accurate and reliable...wish I could have bought one , it was impressive !
I want to have a 3 gun setup of this, a g11 and a m1216. Because the best number of parts is yes
Heavy Metal Class:
.45 Omni
7.62x51 Stoner 62
Pancor Jackhammer
Blink twice if you're being held hostage by a machine tool factory owner.
I can't help but wonder how many of these exist as a "bag of gun" in the bottom of peoples safes and sock drawers.
How is ur comment possible?
NOAH ANDEMICHAEL patreon
I resemble that remark
Many.
Long time electronic technician here. First time outside the industry I have heard "letting the magic smoke out". That hammer made me think of the TT-33.
Somewhere in the world, there's a Swiss watchmaker that's hired as a gun designer for a German company, watching gun Jesus' video, seeing so many springs and complications, and he's shouting "write that down. write that down".
This is EXACTLY the type of firearm that I'd like to collect - I totally dig EVERYTHING about this!!!
...but, hey, I'm also the guy who would like to have a Zip22 in my collection also, cuz reasons...
Same here. I feel like the Zip .22 LR could be polished to a point of higher reliability, and would likely copy it to make a .22 WMR Zip Gun 🤔
I got one
“This is why we can’t have nice things” 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
y'all Patreon dudes are heroes, you know that?
I was and am, a 1911 fan, but own many different types of guns in that caliber. I bought one of these in 45acp about 30+ years ago. One of the major gun magazines used to put out a yearly edition and in one story they tested a slew of 45's. I'd never seen an Omni in the flesh but had seen their two page ads touting how well designed and engineered they were. Well, after the magazine had done their testing, the Omni came out on top. I figured I'd give it a try, so I found a dealer with a new one and trading a pistol and a few hundred dollars got me one for myself. It shot well, accurate, reliable and handled great. Took me a bit to get use to transitioning from the double action first shot to single thereafter, coming from tears of shooting 1911's, but I got better at it.
I still have it, shoot it occasionally, and I don't need to break it down any further than removing the slide for cleaning. I learned years ago that to try more than that was both unnecessary and foolish.
Okay, I had to pause the video 5 seconds in so that I stop laughing.
"Llama" means "flame" in Spanish, their name comes from here, not from the south American animal
So... the "Flame Omni"? Or the "Flaming Omni"? Dodge made those in the 80s too.
Yeeeessss, I remember that song. Along with The Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny, and a few other ones. The 00's were a great time.
(Ack, wrong comment, sorry. Trying to respond to another one, didn't realize I clicked on this one...argh.)
...and here I thought it meant three hour field strip....
@@Seeker-wq8jc lol. At least it wasn't weird :p You can delete it by clicking the three dots at the bottom right of your comment.
I own the LLama Omni in 45 ACP. It is very accurate and reliable and I bought mine in 1984 used at a very good price. I just shot it yesterday and it functioned flawlessly. I bought this way back when I knew little about firearms and probably wouldn't buy it today, however I'm glad I did. It's fun too shoot, but I'm afraid to shoot it often because if a part breaks it would cost more to fix than it's worth.
Thank you , Ian ,
I heard that Mitt Romney carries a Llama Omni
Is it called Llama cause it spits lead?
@@zarco5855 yes i'm a spanish fellow and llama means flame
@@zarco5855 And call
Espanya ens roba les flames :(
@@Pokesus hahahahahahahahaha
That's an example of something designed by a brilliant engineer their first day on the job.
I used to be a Jaguar mechanic. I've seen photos of glass bottles of Lucas replacement wire harness smoke. Of course, it takes real skill to get the smoke BACK into the wires...
The Omni: Also known by its Spanish alphanumerical designation, P0R-QU3.
Alright, we got Star and Astra, what will you guys call your company?
"name"
"Llama" more likely means "flame" in this context, and a more appropriate translation for "llama" when use as a verb is "call" not "name"
Me llamo is usually translated to "my name is" in English but would be more literally translated to "I call myself" which is where the confusion comes from.
Name is "nombre"
I've noticed that "E" clips are able to fly into other dimensions... good call on not removing them. Ian!
I have one of these. I used it as a carry gun back when I ran a gunshop and was doing weekend shows. I rather liked it. Can't say I had/have any complaints. I need to take it out again, it's been a few years.