Master no5 was the first lock I picked. What a rush it was. I've been chasing it ever since. And thanks for the sub. Put a big smile on my face😊. Looking forward to the next installment of padlocks. Thanks very much...
It surprised me when Bill did it, and I tried mightily, but couldn't reproduce the ease with which he opened his. Like I said, I would not be the first one who was unable to open a lock as fast or as easily as Bill... his skill is legend. But I can only speak from my experience, and I've found raking these to be spotty.
Thanks, hopefully this will be a good one. Can you think of another good series? I was thinking round body padlocks... I have a ton of them, but I've already made videos on many of them posted.
+TotallyRandom No, but I have a couple of opens on Ingersoll's (I know, it doesn't count until you get it on video), and a CS712 on its way to me right now. We will see how I do with that, but those locks can be very tricky!
Indeed "(I know, it doesn't count until you get it on video)" however it probably counts for you! Great picking good luck with the CS712 looking forward to seeing that! Cheers
I have a matlock 5525 that looks very very similar to the ones you have with the blue on them. I literally just bought a beginner set earlier today with the see through plastic padlock and the basic tools but got bored of that as it was extremely easy. I then moved on to that matlock I just mentioned and it was a few seconds with a wave rake but a bit longer with single pin picking. It is an old one though and smells of grease 😂
Very interesting comparison of the padlocks. I was also a little amazed at the Abus lock, the lack of rivets and the incorrect specification. I have also tried to rake the Kwikset padlock, no luck not even a close call!
Thanks, and I was shocked with the Abus. The odd thing is that I have an Abus 41/40 that has 5 pins. Strange! And thank for the data point on the kwikset smartkey. Glad to know that I'm not the only one unable to rake them.
That first lock has been the only one I've seen on this channel where the binding order is 1, 2, 3, 4. lol Also, I've finally found a video where you pick a Master No. 5. It's currently the lock on my uncle's garage door and I chose it for him because where he lives, he's far more likely to face brute force attacks and it's the beefiest lock he has. Hope to pick it when I get my first lockpick set lol
Great series ahead. Very nice padlocks. The wikipedia says the Master lock came with first laminated padlock in early 1920s, too bad they haven't improved the core ever since. The exterior looks great though.
Thanks. Well, Bill is Bill, and the rest of us are mere morals. But I was quite serious about my raking skills... they stink, mostly because I don't do it very much.
I disagree, with the stats comment. Both semantically (chance, not statistics) and as a raking being less skillful. We know that tensioning is the crucial element of picking.When raking the more advanced locks (spools and serrated) you need surgeon-like skills with tensioning. Raking a good lock is more like juggling, or playing guitar, the left and right hands are doing different things but synchronized. If raking were JUST chance, people like LPL wouldn't claim they stink at it. There is a technique, but the majority of pickers focus on SPP (pride) instead of looking at raking and SPP as two different disciplines. If you take what you learn from SPP and then applying to raking, it's amazing how effective rakes are against security pins. But most guys abandon the rakes because it's viewed as inferior technique The exception being speed picking, where it doesn't matter what technique you use as long as you're fast.
nine4t4 Thanks for the thoughtful comment. We’re getting into a whole new topic (and one that’s a bit outside my experience) but a brief reply: I agree that raking is a skill unto itself, and it shares surprisingly little technique with SPPing. There is, however, definitely an element of luck to it. But there’s also no doubt in my mind that good technique will result in the raker getting luckier (i.e., the percentages favoring the raker more). As for raking security pins, I’d love to see an example of a master raker taking on security pins. I don’t recall ever seeing someone for whom raking was a high percentage opening technique on locks with security pins. At best, my experience is that you will use a combination of raking and SPPing, much like what you see in competitions (i.e., rake to a false set, then SPP). At worst, it’s a complete waste of time. I’m not saying it isn’t possible… just that it’s not something I’ve seen before in my admittedly limited experience. Frankly, though, it would really surprise me if there’s someone who could rake open something like a modern American Lock padlocks faster than I can SPP them. Finally, I disagree with the comment about pride being the reason that locksporters tend to SPP… simply put, the more advanced locks that locksporters tend to pick simply can’t be raked… at least not with any degree of certainty or regularity. Yes, it may work on some locks, but usually that's the result of luck, poor pinning/bitting decisions, or a combination thereof. Personally, I have not invested much time or effort into honing my raking techniques because even at a very high level, my understanding is that raking is only a high percentage attack for locks which I tend to find boring.
We'll let it die because it is off topic. I didn't mean to say raking is superior, just that it's been quite maligned. I wouldn't trust any lock that I can rake, but I've been quite surprised when it works but "wasn't supposed to" (i.e. spools, serrated and threaded chambers). Sure there is an element of chance, but if it was all chance then everyone would have equal luck with raking and we know that's not true. The flip side of that is that if I SPP a lock I'm proud of my accomplishment. But if I rake a lock I am disappointed in the lock.
"The flip side of that is that if I SPP a lock I'm proud of my accomplishment. But if I rake a lock I am disappointed in the lock." Never thought of it that way, but very true.
I have a Brinks 50mm that's I can't seem to open anymore. I'm not sure if it's me or the lock, but it was one of my first practice locks. I'm sure I'll give it another whirl some day, but I swear it's gotta be the lock!(I keep telling myself)
I don't know what to say. Mine is 5 pins, 4 spools and not particularly hard. It had the flaw of driver pins that were too short. If memory serves, the Brinks is slated for posting tomorrow. I'm guessing something must be broken in your lock. ;-)
Thanks. Strangely, that's the most fight the Abus gave me before or since the video... just goes to show, anything can happen when you turn the camera on!
Great series - I love comparisons :-) Regarding the rivets. Isn't it important to know if removing the heads would cause the lamination to come apart? Or if the rivets are press-fitted? By the way I also tried to rake a Smart-key open without success. But I was also unable to pick it open ;-)
On the rivets, I misspoke when I said that they would "fall apart." In truth, the rivets I've encountered are pretty tight and they all require some prying to take apart after removing the rivet heads. Thanks for the additional data point on the Smartkey. Glad to know I'm in good (and talented) company in my failures. :-)
These are all great videos, but I have no idea where to begin watching. Is there a basic “Here is how to pick a lock” video by LPL anywhere in here? The clicks with the pins is something I would like to be able to accomplish, but I do not hear them “click” when moving the pins. I have popped a couple of different training locks by raking, but manipulating the individual pins in order to set them is something for which I have not developed a feel. I need more information. Thanks for the videos and any assistance or help you folks can provide.
Thank you so much! I really appreciate your teaching style and was hoping you made such a video. Thank you very much for your help and for sharing your knowledge.
Honestly, I have not tried shimming many of them, but some definitely can be shimmed. The Kwikset, Brinks, and Stanley all have ball bearings, so shimming is out for them.
I always check the keys on masters now if it's has any pins cut high I don't buy it but I don't buy many masters just once in awhile if I see a new one and I'm already in the store.
There are SEVERAL locks in this series that share this issue... its pretty sad. As for the Master Lock #19, I have a new one (well, old, but new condition), and I paid WAY less than $92... IIRC, it was closer to $50. They are pretty difficult locks to pick. A nasty keyway and serrated pins!
My masterlock #3 which is the first padlock I have picked seems not to use the furthest back pin similar to yours, my abus 55/40 will be a big jump in difficulty lol 3 pin standards vs actually 4 pin with security pins.
I'll probably not include it in the comparison. It really is not comparable... smaller body, smaller shackle, etc. And if I included 45mm, then what about the 55mm locks that would blow the field away (miracle locks with ava and Ingersoll cores)? Not really fair. That said, I'll probably feature the lock at some point in the future (probably some time when the channel is not saturated with laminated locks)
+LockPickingLawyer I seen a video guy used a abus or American bypass tool on Brinks laminated & a half of a master switch set the hook to open others 1 side corner latch at a time pin side last.
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Master no5 was the first lock I picked. What a rush it was. I've been chasing it ever since. And thanks for the sub. Put a big smile on my face😊. Looking forward to the next installment of padlocks. Thanks very much...
Thanks. I've already shot the full series, and there is a good combination of good and (very) bad.
Thanks for addressing the raking the smartkey padlock thing.
It surprised me when Bill did it, and I tried mightily, but couldn't reproduce the ease with which he opened his. Like I said, I would not be the first one who was unable to open a lock as fast or as easily as Bill... his skill is legend. But I can only speak from my experience, and I've found raking these to be spotty.
I love these videos to see where each lock stands up it is always an eye opener.
Thanks, hopefully this will be a good one. Can you think of another good series? I was thinking round body padlocks... I have a ton of them, but I've already made videos on many of them posted.
+LockPickingLawyer Have you ever picked a Ingersoll OS711 open shackle padlock? apologies if I missed the video there are so many! All great!
+TotallyRandom No, but I have a couple of opens on Ingersoll's (I know, it doesn't count until you get it on video), and a CS712 on its way to me right now. We will see how I do with that, but those locks can be very tricky!
Indeed "(I know, it doesn't count until you get it on video)" however it probably counts for you! Great picking good luck with the CS712 looking forward to seeing that! Cheers
I have a matlock 5525 that looks very very similar to the ones you have with the blue on them. I literally just bought a beginner set earlier today with the see through plastic padlock and the basic tools but got bored of that as it was extremely easy. I then moved on to that matlock I just mentioned and it was a few seconds with a wave rake but a bit longer with single pin picking. It is an old one though and smells of grease 😂
I love your content, it gets me excited and it is very educating. 10/10
Very interesting comparison of the padlocks. I was also a little amazed at the Abus lock, the lack of rivets and the incorrect specification. I have also tried to rake the Kwikset padlock, no luck not even a close call!
Thanks, and I was shocked with the Abus. The odd thing is that I have an Abus 41/40 that has 5 pins. Strange! And thank for the data point on the kwikset smartkey. Glad to know that I'm not the only one unable to rake them.
I'm working backwards on your videos. It's nice to see what locks are bad and which are relatively good. So now I get to see the lock that started it.
That first lock has been the only one I've seen on this channel where the binding order is 1, 2, 3, 4. lol
Also, I've finally found a video where you pick a Master No. 5. It's currently the lock on my uncle's garage door and I chose it for him because where he lives, he's far more likely to face brute force attacks and it's the beefiest lock he has. Hope to pick it when I get my first lockpick set lol
Because of the soft plastic core the binding order is probably any order you choose
Great series ahead. Very nice padlocks. The wikipedia says the Master lock came with first laminated padlock in early 1920s, too bad they haven't improved the core ever since. The exterior looks great though.
Thanks... The laminated construction isn't bad. Supposedly, very impact resistant. But that core!
That's right, they put everything into "TOUGH UNDER FIRE "
And they need to be more "TOUGH UNDER PICKER"
Lol
Master had half decent locks when they used some serious spring tension back in the day.
This is going to be quite an enjoyable series! looking forward.
Thanks
Love the methodical picking method, the mind of a lawyer at work.
Nice, I like the true comparison between the locks... And the comparison between pickers just proves that raking is a game of satistics.
Thanks. Well, Bill is Bill, and the rest of us are mere morals. But I was quite serious about my raking skills... they stink, mostly because I don't do it very much.
I disagree, with the stats comment. Both semantically (chance, not statistics) and as a raking being less skillful. We know that tensioning is the crucial element of picking.When raking the more advanced locks (spools and serrated) you need surgeon-like skills with tensioning. Raking a good lock is more like juggling, or playing guitar, the left and right hands are doing different things but synchronized.
If raking were JUST chance, people like LPL wouldn't claim they stink at it. There is a technique, but the majority of pickers focus on SPP (pride) instead of looking at raking and SPP as two different disciplines. If you take what you learn from SPP and then applying to raking, it's amazing how effective rakes are against security pins. But most guys abandon the rakes because it's viewed as inferior technique
The exception being speed picking, where it doesn't matter what technique you use as long as you're fast.
nine4t4 Thanks for the thoughtful comment. We’re getting into a whole new topic (and one that’s a bit outside my experience) but a brief reply: I agree that raking is a skill unto itself, and it shares surprisingly little technique with SPPing. There is, however, definitely an element of luck to it. But there’s also no doubt in my mind that good technique will result in the raker getting luckier (i.e., the percentages favoring the raker more). As for raking security pins, I’d love to see an example of a master raker taking on security pins. I don’t recall ever seeing someone for whom raking was a high percentage opening technique on locks with security pins. At best, my experience is that you will use a combination of raking and SPPing, much like what you see in competitions (i.e., rake to a false set, then SPP). At worst, it’s a complete waste of time. I’m not saying it isn’t possible… just that it’s not something I’ve seen before in my admittedly limited experience. Frankly, though, it would really surprise me if there’s someone who could rake open something like a modern American Lock padlocks faster than I can SPP them. Finally, I disagree with the comment about pride being the reason that locksporters tend to SPP… simply put, the more advanced locks that locksporters tend to pick simply can’t be raked… at least not with any degree of certainty or regularity. Yes, it may work on some locks, but usually that's the result of luck, poor pinning/bitting decisions, or a combination thereof. Personally, I have not invested much time or effort into honing my raking techniques because even at a very high level, my understanding is that raking is only a high percentage attack for locks which I tend to find boring.
We'll let it die because it is off topic.
I didn't mean to say raking is superior, just that it's been quite maligned. I wouldn't trust any lock that I can rake, but I've been quite surprised when it works but "wasn't supposed to" (i.e. spools, serrated and threaded chambers). Sure there is an element of chance, but if it was all chance then everyone would have equal luck with raking and we know that's not true.
The flip side of that is that if I SPP a lock I'm proud of my accomplishment. But if I rake a lock I am disappointed in the lock.
"The flip side of that is that if I SPP a lock I'm proud of my accomplishment. But if I rake a lock I am disappointed in the lock." Never thought of it that way, but very true.
Another interesting series of locks.
Nice and can't wait to see the rest👍👍😘😎
THank you
I'm a very beginner. I started with a master lock number 5. I picked it in 15 mins. I replaced all the pad locks at my place.
The No. 5 Master lock is going to be a joke. I've got 2 of them that I can rake open in less than 10 seconds!
It is a joke... oh, it is!
I have a Brinks 50mm that's I can't seem to open anymore. I'm not sure if it's me or the lock, but it was one of my first practice locks. I'm sure I'll give it another whirl some day, but I swear it's gotta be the lock!(I keep telling myself)
I don't know what to say. Mine is 5 pins, 4 spools and not particularly hard. It had the flaw of driver pins that were too short. If memory serves, the Brinks is slated for posting tomorrow. I'm guessing something must be broken in your lock. ;-)
Very impressive the Kwikset isnt expensive at all.
can't wait for the rest of them man keep it up :)
Thanks -- Coming soon.
Sweet locks, will wait for the next installment :)
Cheers
V
THanks.
This man would be all the rage up in old cell block
love it, oddly enough the 4 Pinner abus gave a little fight. looking forward to nx series...
Thanks. Strangely, that's the most fight the Abus gave me before or since the video... just goes to show, anything can happen when you turn the camera on!
Great series - I love comparisons :-) Regarding the rivets. Isn't it important to know if removing the heads would cause the lamination to come apart? Or if the rivets are press-fitted?
By the way I also tried to rake a Smart-key open without success. But I was also unable to pick it open ;-)
On the rivets, I misspoke when I said that they would "fall apart." In truth, the rivets I've encountered are pretty tight and they all require some prying to take apart after removing the rivet heads. Thanks for the additional data point on the Smartkey. Glad to know I'm in good (and talented) company in my failures. :-)
Very cool. Looking forward to the fun. :)
Thanks... I shot all the videos this weekend, so like your Mul-T-Vitamin, you will get one a day. ;-)
These are all great videos, but I have no idea where to begin watching. Is there a basic “Here is how to pick a lock” video by LPL anywhere in here? The clicks with the pins is something I would like to be able to accomplish, but I do not hear them “click” when moving the pins. I have popped a couple of different training locks by raking, but manipulating the individual pins in order to set them is something for which I have not developed a feel. I need more information. Thanks for the videos and any assistance or help you folks can provide.
+Jeff Poleet Sounds like you could use videos 182 and 188. 👍Good luck.
Thank you so much! I really appreciate your teaching style and was hoping you made such a video. Thank you very much for your help and for sharing your knowledge.
I enjoy these series. looks like they could all be shimmed except maybe the kwikset. am I right there.
Honestly, I have not tried shimming many of them, but some definitely can be shimmed. The Kwikset, Brinks, and Stanley all have ball bearings, so shimming is out for them.
I always check the keys on masters now if it's has any pins cut high I don't buy it but I don't buy many masters just once in awhile if I see a new one and I'm already in the store.
I see on ebay they have a model 19 for $92. Would love to have it but I just couldn't spend that much on a "Master" no matter how nice they say it is
There are SEVERAL locks in this series that share this issue... its pretty sad. As for the Master Lock #19, I have a new one (well, old, but new condition), and I paid WAY less than $92... IIRC, it was closer to $50. They are pretty difficult locks to pick. A nasty keyway and serrated pins!
Thumbs up and subscribed!
used to pick those Chinese things as a kid with paperclips and boredom
nice series!
Thanks
My masterlock #3 which is the first padlock I have picked seems not to use the furthest back pin similar to yours, my abus 55/40 will be a big jump in difficulty lol 3 pin standards vs actually 4 pin with security pins.
I'm almost more interested in how easily the shackles are cut with bolt cutters. LPL, can you speak to that?
good video bro 😎
With that kind of review, I guess I will be replacing all my padlock with a KwiksetSmartkey LOL
Why are there so few comments on these older videos?
Where is the link for the other padlocks in the "series"? Which was best?
I hope the Commando goes in... ;)
Also, that 1st lock looks like the 2nd one I picked...
I'll probably not include it in the comparison. It really is not comparable... smaller body, smaller shackle, etc. And if I included 45mm, then what about the 55mm locks that would blow the field away (miracle locks with ava and Ingersoll cores)? Not really fair. That said, I'll probably feature the lock at some point in the future (probably some time when the channel is not saturated with laminated locks)
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"Put the extra pin in that we paid for."
-LockPickingLawyer
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I have a P6 that I can’t even get a pin to set
My Abus 51/40 I can get a deep false set no open yet…
make a bypass video with this bunch
Too much shimming!!! (besides, I already shot all of the videos).
+LockPickingLawyer I seen a video guy used a abus or American bypass tool on Brinks laminated & a half of a master switch set the hook to open others 1 side corner latch at a time pin side last.
What's raked?
I have a magnum master lock lol
mr NO!
2mins-12secs in....”If we look very closely, we can see something disappointing..”
*Made in China*
Hahahahahahahahahaha...