If you want to hear the most famous Puerto Ricans in Hip Hop admit that Hip Hop was originally considered a black thing check "The Freshest Kids: The History of the B Boy (2002)" Not just Ken Swift, at 5:20 minutes in , But Crazy Legs, JoJo and Trac 2 at 14:25 minutes in: ua-cam.com/video/RxoWyGFSGuk/v-deo.html
But hip hop is bigger than one thing. They contributed to the dancing which is one of the pillars of they are part of the foundation bo doubt bout that the breakdancing you know as break dancing is Puerto Rican. Even the doc you posted said this
There’s a misnomer that blacks didn’t start breakdancing too! Let’s be clear! Black Americans started everything Hip Hop! I’m a 52 year old black man and I was breakdancing in 1977 in the South Bronx in the projects of Clermont Village on 169th street and Washington Avenue. Blacks and Latinos were still in gang wars for the most part. Blacks gave up breakdancing early because truthfully it was more juice in being a rapper!
@@doingit2death yes and I was seeing everything first hand as a 7 year old from the teenager gangs and crews who lived on my block in Clermont Village and off Webster Avenue. Before that I was actually living in Kool Herc’s building at 1520 Sedgwick Avenue from 1972-1975. Although I was a baby, my young parents are family were there and I was told the origins. I was breakdancing with my friends to Dance to the Drummers Beat and Apache everyday from 1977 until 1980! You see and absorb a lot back in those days in the streets New York City. Life was different and hip hop culture was new and contagious. That’s why everyone wants to lay claim to the origins of the culture and at times rewrite history. 💯
My bad I was on about the start of Def jam,the biggest commercial hip hop label....I know,t started in the mid 70's apparently in the Bronx,But they did help in the birth of the biggest record label Def jam....
I know the beastie boy wasn't from the Bronx,I just meant that they did play a big part in the involvement of hip hop,just as much as ll cool I if not more..... I'm a big fan of the early hip hop,it's much better than the Garbage of today,mid to late 70s and early 80s is the best of hip hop. I know the Dj kool herc story and the Bronx it's legendary,and I loved the electro days as well,and the messages in hip hop were better especially compared to the rap music of today.....
American music forms: Spirituals,, Blues, Ragtime, Jazz, Country, Gospel, Bluegrass, Folk, Rock n Roll, Doo-Wop, Soul, Funk, Disco, Punk, House and of course Rap and Hip Hop---all enjoy well documented Black American roots coupled with undeniable Black American influence---whether directly or indirectly.. Latinos -- puerto ricans particularly -- explain how you co-created or co-invented yet another installment in the legacy of Black Musical expression known as Rap and Hip Hop, yet didn't co-create or co-invent any of the elements of the 14 or so African American music forms that preceeded it? Or why you were nowhere to be found and absent during the creative and inventive foundation outlining the forms of Black American musical expression, brilliance and greatness throughout, or even prior to the previous 14 or so Black American music forms that are mentioned above. Yet then, all of a sudden--out of nowhere, you folks come along and falsely claim latinos and/or puerto ricans co-created and co-invented Rap and Hip Hop 50/50 half n half (which is the evidence-free and utter nonsense being peddled by derrick colon, radical latino, fat joe and numerous other un-informed and envious latinos---claims latinos never mentioned, verbalized or asserted during its inception in the early 1970's)---latinos claims of "50/50--half & half co-creation and co-invention just don't add up---it makes no sense and are increasingly coming under heavy scrutiny which is leading to these claims being easily debunked--as it should've been. Moreover, the heavy hateful and many times racist criticism directed at the Black American youngsters, by the racist white media over having created Rap and Hip Hop, latinos -- particularly puerto ricans -- and jamaicans NEVER came forward to denounce the vicious onslaught, yet 50 years later they want to take credit for this FBA art form that they didn't create.
Fat Joe said Black and Puerto Ricans created hip hop 50/50. I've seen interviews of the first breakdancers Trixie and A1 B-boy Sasa and they both said Puerto Ricans were not there in the beginning in the early 70s at those Cool Herc parties. Puerto Ricans got into breakdancing, rapping and dj'ing in the late 70s
Parrish Smith(PMD) is my friend. We went to college together and I ended up working for him in 1993 as a Operations Officer at PMD/RCA Records and day to day manager at Shuma Management, which included Das Efx. Love for every last one of my industry fam, especially for P putting me down at my very first industry gig, along with everyone at his companies! Now, back to the question: I've said it before and I'll say it again(but in a very loose and casual way), with no quantifiable marker or measure as to who did what...I feel that divides us! I'm Jamaican and proud of my ancestry(which is a book all in itself), so am very proud to say, IF IT WEREN'T FOR BORED GENIUS AFRICAN AMERICAN, JAMAICAN AND LATINO BROTHERS FROM THE BRONX...HIP HOP, would not have been created...PERIOD!!
the FBA would say you're a tether with no rights to say that the jamaican has anything to do with hiphop, tareeq nasheed goes as far as making a documentary shitting on any jamaicans claiming they created anything,Nasheed discredits reggae music culture saying that it is all derived from FBA music...
Yeah from the 80s that’s when pmd came into hip hop the 80s was not the creation of hip hop! Those that were there already spoke on this already it was a couple but it was a gradual thing with PRs and hip hop because their peers was racist as shit to the blacks! They wanted no part of it back them 70-71 and so on! Jungle bunny music I wonder where that saying came from?
@Black_unity597 when did the creation period of hip hop end? Also, where you from? Black Americans weren't rocking with hip hop like that in the beginning neither. People need to stop acting like FBA's embraced hip hop from the start. Schoolly D said the first time he toured outside the USA it was with the Clash. A white, English, punk band. It wasn't with James Brown or Tina Turner or the Isley Brothers.
What I don't get is why are we not asking the people who created Hip Hop? We act like they are 200 years old or something. The FIRST Puerto RICANS in Hip Hop said they were the ONLY latins in the parties YET, its people who came in the late 70's that are being the spokes people on hip hop. I lost so much respect for rap artists cause instead of saying you don't know they just push the lies even more. Kool Her said himself Jamaica had NOTHING to do with his sound system, he was emulating AMerican sound systems, but we just keep hearing about Jamaica cause he's Jamaican. Two turntables, and an mc with Cabinet speakers, and subwoofers originated in NYC NOT Jamaica. They didn't even start using turntables until the early 1980's. Americans went into nightclubs while Jamaicans stayed with same style of using bi speakers outside so people assume we got it from them. Black AMericans in NYC don't even know their own history. Thank God for the internet! And, Fat Joe said his projects was 90% black, and full of Gods, and listening to hip hop at the Park Jams. How can he then say years later it was 50/50? Even Big pun is seen thanking black americans for accepting him doing our music. Why would he say that if it was 50/50? Black people are so lost!
Brothas on the West Coast dealt with the same thing. We learned Hip Hop from the cats in New York. When Beat Street dropped in 1984 we had already been break dancing for years because Brothas from the East Coast came to Cali and we ate that shit up. If Puerto Ricans started the culture then on the West Coast we would have seen them doing it first. We got our first taste of Hip Hop from Suga Hill Gang and Africa Bombata. And I know they were not the founders but they were some of the first commercial Hip Hop Artists. By 1984 Hip Hop had gone commercial. The Movie Breakin came out the same year Beat Street came out. And in Breakin they tried to have the lead characters Latino and a white chick. And the two Brothas were side-kicks. At that point we just left it alone and let the Mexicans and Asians have it.
DJ Charlie Chase: "I never had a problem with it, but apparently when I started DJing Hip-Hop music, I was getting heat from the Blacks and the Puerto Ricans. The blacks were like this is our music, go back to your own music with your cow bells" and your Salsa music. The Hispanics were like what are you doing playing that jungle bunny music. I put on the blinders and said this is what I am going to do. I stuck to my guns and did what I had to do. As I was growing up in the Hip-Hop business, me and Tony would go to parties together and they would hear that Charlie Chase was is in the house and they would push me aside and greet Tony as Chase cause everyone thought I was black (laughs)! They always had this look on their face, like what? We went thru that for a while.
I don't think we should get bogged down with this topic. It's getting corny hearing these so-called pro-black clowns want to exclude the contributions that the Latino, mainly Puerto Rican community. These FBA , followers of Tariq Nasheed, are out to divide the community. Whether or not if black people created it, we don't have control of it.
I think it's the identity politics thing that kind of has bled into other discourses. ADOS/FBA discourse online has spread online into mainstream discourse. It has the potential to be very divisive and seek to lay blame if the proper nuance is not expressed. Tension in black and brown communities have always existed right alongside stereotypes about different ethnic groups. Hip-Hop is black music (As Joe and others stated in the interview they take issue with) so to me that's where it should end, but ADOS and FBA have a particular "political" agenda that they are seeking to push which to me gets in the way of music/culture and divides rather then brings people together. Music is universal, and human expression is universal to all colors and ethnicities, it's a big reason why Hip-Hop grew beyond the streets because of its universal embrace of others. Some of those online guys are gritiers like Nasheed. He was once a failed rapper turned pick up artist turned pro black UA-camr. It's purely for money IMO. Poverty pimps as my uncle would say!!!
Ok, no 50/50…Ain’t a political answer, it’s based off what he observed growing up as a witness during those times. Looking at it based off emotions, you have to ask yourself, were you there? Peace and love!
Because Tariq Nasheed and some other dudes from Elvis Country never met a Nuyorican or any Puerto Rocks from the inner city and want to paint the picture that this is an attempt by Ricans to colonize hip hop.
People, please go watch "THE CULTURE : DEBUNK BUSTA RHYMES AND PETE ROCK'S OUTRAGEOUS COMMENTS" to learn the truth on hip hop history from the creators mouths themselves, not people who came later. It's here on UA-cam And, Jamaican elders tell where they got sound systems from, US! To learn about the BEST sound systems in the world in the 1970's in NYC, and who hip hop dj's were emulating(NOT JAMAICAN DJ'S) watch "Founding Fathers The Untold Story of Hip Hop" narrated by Chuck D Also, Lord Jamar talks to the first Puerto Ricans in Hip Hop on his youtube channel, and they tell the truth on how it was back then, it was over 90% black at the jams
lol When I got to Mount Vernon from Jerome Ave in the BX, , brand Nubian was starting to bubble and I remember thinking “damn now WestChester wanna be hip-hop😂”
I will jump out there and say I don’t know about the rapping aspect but the dancing aspect was created by Latinos because it originated from the young Puerto Ricans being kicked out of the salsa clubs for spinning and dancing on the floor
Cool Herc comes from a predominantly latino South Bronx...still is. That means playing basketball in an Afro latino park, and DJ'd the block parties. Caribbean is the ground zero of the slave trade here. South Bronx has been home to Puerto ricans since 1948. Kool Herc was a kid growing up in a very musical environment. All the clubs in the 70's were latin in that part of town. The break beat consisted of the congas....
this is sad ..yall latinos got soo much of a rich ass culture to appreciate. why yall gotta try to claim hip hop too?...we cool sharing, but yall didnt create it! cut that bullsht lie out! yall helped make it popular by being in the hood where it was born, but make no mistake its Black American Art!! And Yall cant have it
@griddilla2374 Here's the truth: Latinos didn't create hip-hop or rap. They were there n participated in it. They contributed NOTHING! They followed bc they were in the hood with blk ppl. Blk ppl started it! Whipper Whip from Fantastic 5 mcs was the only nice Latino. Even he imitated mcs like Melle Mel, Kid Creole, Keith Cowboy, Rahim from Furious 5 mcs who were the best at that time. Facts! The best DJs were n still are GM FLASH n Grand Wizard Theodore.They made hip-hop/rap deejaying popular n developed techniques that aspiring dj's followed. Facts! Charlie Chase from Coldcrush Brothers included. Facts! I was there, I know. PMD is a long Island dude n wasn't there when it started. He's a commercial rapper! Facts!
@@shooz4unme hip hop started with djs and bboys. rapping and graffiti predate it. if latino blacks and carib blacks were there among fbas than yeah they did control things. tex dj hollywood was here with disco king mario before hip hop even started. he was pr black
@@shooz4unme i did not say he started it. kool herc did. what i said was that tex dj hollywood marios right hand man was in the hip hop scene or what became the hip hop scene before day one. ultimately debunking the latinos came later myth. it would not even make sense considering the pr and mixed black gangs of the bx were the first contributers to hip hop culture before anyone else.watch the rubble kings documentary.
Latin, Hispanic & Spanish is too broad a term. It was Nuyoricans that were there at the start. Porto Rocks…Power Rule. Not just there for the beginning of Hip Hop, but the Harlem Renaissance (Arturo Schomburg) and The 5% Nation of Gods and Earths. Hence the term Power Rule. Not South Americans. Nor Central Americans. Not Mexicans. Not Spaniards. In Harlem, Lower East Side (Nuyorican Poets Cafe’) and in The Bronx where it started, in NYC, it was Puerto Ricans. No other nationality, not even Africans, has been so tied together, for over 100yrs, with Black Americans like Puerto Ricans.
@@sovereigncosmicwildman I never got into Chino and never heard of the other guy. But damn It felt good when PUN was alive. There are a lot of P.R.’s or half PR in the biz, they just keep it hush. Jim Jones is one. You get further in American Entertainment if you dont reveal your PR, unless your a woman. They luv PR women and if a talented one pops up, she will get some shine. But the men, nah, we gets no luv, unless your a prodigy like PUN was. However, Bad Bunny is the biggest artist in the world right now. But the luv is coming from Spanish Speaking countries. Which if you can get into that side as a PR, as you can see, we can blow up. Spanish is the second most spoken language globally in terms of native speakers. Those Conquistadors were no joke. lol
@@sovereigncosmicwildmanThere is a photo of Pun on his hands and knees kneeling to Kool G Rap as his God and Messiah. He may have struggled getting back to his feet. Your thoughts
DJ Charley Chase was the Furious Five's DJ before Grandmaster Flash. Prince Whipper Whip was a Cold Crush Brother. There is no debate among true Hip-Hoppers. Rap fans maybe need lessons in the culture.
@Money Euros Durring the seventies, how much time did you spend in the Bronx? My grandmother lived in the BX at that time. I lived in Queens, my mom grew up in Brooklyn and most of our family friends were there. But I did spend quite a bit of my summers from 73 - 86 in the BX. It was the one of the five boroughs, known to be heavily populated with Latinos.
Jamaicans and Latino have absolutely nothing to do with the creation of hip hop. Name one hip hop classic that sampled Puerto Rican music, Name one Jamaican rapper that used Jamaican music or a cadence on a hip hop classic. Im waiting.
I'm 59 I'm fba I was there , there where no pr there , they came later in the 90, and there first rapper where fat jo and big pund , also the Latin woman was inpress with fba man they craving to fba man because they where lnpress with them, and men where afaid of losing the grip on there woman
American music forms: Spirituals, Blues, Ragtime, Jazz, Country, Gospel, Bluegrass, Folk, Rock n Roll, Doo-Wop, Soul, Funk, Disco, Punk, House and of course Rap and Hip Hop---all enjoy well documented African American roots coupled with undeniable Black American influence---whether directly or indirectly.. Latinos -- Puerto Ricans particularly -- please explain how you co-created or co-invented yet another installment in the legacy of Black Musical expression known as Rap and Hip Hop, yet didn't co-create or co-invent any of the elements of the 14 or so African American music forms that preceeded it? Or why you were nowhere to be found and absent during the creative and inventive foundation outlining the forms of African American musical expression, brilliance and greatness throughout, or even prior to the previous 14 or so African American music forms that are mentioned above. Yet then, all of a sudden--out of nowhere, you folks come along and falsely claim latinos and/or puerto ricans co-created and co-invented Rap and Hip Hop 50/50 half n half (which is the evidence-free and utter nonsense being peddled by Dr. Derrick Colon, radical latino, Fat Joe and numerous other un-informed and envious latinos---claims latinos never mentioned, verbalized or asserted during its inception in the early 1970's)---latinos claims of "50/50--half & half co-creation and co-invention just don't add up---it makes no sense and are increasingly coming under heavy scrutiny which is leading to these claims being easily debunked--widespread. Nice try though latinos and puerto ricans. Make it make sense Latinos
Joe said it was 50/50 that was the issue if that's true then there was a Latin Kool Herc a Latin coke la rock at the same time the answer is no no no! Also they didn't create rap hell no ! U can ask the 1st Latin Rapper Ruby Dee it's on UA-cam! However they are contributors to the culture for certain but it wasn't 50/50 no way but yes they contributed they came after black folks had already started it it's not up for debate that's a fact
Big Facts plus he's not old enough to answer that question. Which I feel is why the interviewer asked him. The guy running the channel could be Afro-Latino or Half Latino 🤔.Plus PMD is from Long Island.
Meh? Am I the only one that doesn't care if we were there or not? I never saw rap as a divided genre and that's the reason I fell in love with the music. Growing up we always talked and shared different rap artist etc. no one said hey homie you are not black so stop listening to it. On some real shit no one ever pointed that out so I never felt empty or missing something because a Latino was not in my rap playlist. I didn't care about Big Pun, Cypress Hill, Kid Frost because they were Latinos. I cared about Immortal Technique, Joell Ortiz and later B- Real because they were hard. I think you start to need representation when you are not welcoming other people into the culture like Hollywood aka movie industry , Rock, Country etc. In the US I always saw rap as black music but always welcoming to everyone (let's not say anything about the culture vultures that pretend like they didn't steal the sound and swag and gave no props).
This all goes back to the black community and the black church down south where there were no Latinos what other music Latinos created to inspire hip hop
He isn’t even old enough to answer that question he wasn’t their he can only speak to 80s hip hop that’s his error 1 or 2 PRs do not make anything 50/50 they have a video of fat Joe at a jam he stood out like a soar thumb he was the only lAtino their! The way hip hop have always been even all the way it is today it was never no 50/50 hip hop is soundtrack to black life PRs didn’t go thru what Black Americans did and still do PRs classify themselves as white tell the truth knock it off!
No Latinos did not create hip-hop they helped contribute hip-hop but they didn’t create it African-American people are the ones that came up with it all Hispanic people did was contribute no disrespect to Hispanic people because I have love for them I really do love Hispanic /Latino people but I got to be real A lot of Hispanic people think because they share the same urban culture as Black people they can take credit for the stuff that we come up with
Watchin' nothing else cause they just dont have it in there nature to create this kinda sound and swag. So they could only just watch , critisize then smile with you, participate then try to steal it
Glad you brought this up because Mos Def's recent comments about rap being black pisses me off. The origin of hip hop comes from the drums of the native root races which involves every humanoid race on Terra. Just a side note... Common said in one of his songs "At times I feel Mexican, hip hop is my God".
Wow… at that misquote of the Common lyric… just shows how bad y’all are reaching The lyric is: “Redeeming the ancients with ageless rhyme jargon *I feel Mexican, hip hop is my garden* Don't give a fuck where you charting, certain shit I can't honor It ain't that you selling, it's your karma..”
@@TheLobMob Hogwash. He said "at times I feel Mexican...". Does not take away from the original point being made that hip is not just Melanated Music, it's Albino, Brown, Copper, Cream colored peoples as well, and have stock in hip hop origins that date way farther back than most don't even realise
If anyone denies that ricans don’t have. A huge part of the beginning of hip hop is a denialists!!!! From graffiti to breakdancing to dj to MC THEY CONTRIBUTED WITH ALL THE ELEMENTS THAT DEFINES HIP HOP LIFESTYLE
All 3 races did really......white's Jews cause they let hip hop in the door on major labels.....Jamaica's dance hall rappers found the Blue print and NY BX blacks and with it and twist it around......Latino's jump on it fast and help hip hop spread to...........but if Jamaica never came to the Bronx it would of been no hip hop but only why Jamaican came to BX cause Jamaica went independent from UK and things went bad in Jamaica so the Jamaica's went to UK and BX 💯🤣😂🎯🎯
I'd like to ask, Did whites have any hand in creating hip hop? And why didn't Latinos help? No one knows the behind the scenes when it all began. Djs and breakers. (latino and whites.) Prove me wrong.
@Futureone. I would say as far as graff writing is concerned, I would say that they played a significant role. Some of the writers that I heard of back in the late 70s-80s were: Zephyr, Futura 2000, Seen, and Dondi. Mr. Freez from the Rock Steady Crew is white.
All in every race played a part in hip hop from djs break dancers graffiti artist to the low riders everyone played a part in the creation and birth of hip hop "it's not just a black thing" it's a street thing every race take a bit of the credit....
Its a silly senseless conversation to be honest it wasn't created by any race particular it was a street thing,but as always someone wants to own it all and take the credit,the same as graffiti ending up in art galleries it's a sellout of what it was and what it means as its about money now.... Nothing to with the reason,or culture of the streets.... Hip hop was a culture,then rap came and like locusts infected it,then it lost the culture so I don't care about rap music,but hip hop is universal it's belongs to so many races not just 1.... If u know hip hop you will know this.... "I am hip hop" it's a way of life....
Technology shows hip-hop has been going back to the 1940s and break dancing in silent films in the early 1900s. Didn’t see any Latinos back then sorry.
I am Puerto Rican 100%....with that being said I feel Puerto rRcans did not help create "Rap Music" but we did help create "Hip Hop". That facts all day every day. Parish is 100% correct.
@Míchele Cobré So you won't even watch the videos. I don't know why you Immigrants want to be the Creators of culture in Black America so bad. WHAT IS YOUR DISTAIN FOR BLACK AMERICANS?
If you want to hear the most famous Puerto Ricans in Hip Hop admit that Hip Hop was originally considered a black thing check "The Freshest Kids: The History of the B Boy (2002)" Not just Ken Swift, at 5:20 minutes in , But Crazy Legs, JoJo and Trac 2 at 14:25 minutes in: ua-cam.com/video/RxoWyGFSGuk/v-deo.html
But hip hop is bigger than one thing. They contributed to the dancing which is one of the pillars of they are part of the foundation bo doubt bout that the breakdancing you know as break dancing is Puerto Rican. Even the doc you posted said this
@@iceman4311 Puerto Ricans didn't get into breakdancing until the late 70s. They were not apart of it in the early 70s
There’s a misnomer that blacks didn’t start breakdancing too! Let’s be clear! Black Americans started everything Hip Hop! I’m a 52 year old black man and I was breakdancing in 1977 in the South Bronx in the projects of Clermont Village on 169th street and Washington Avenue. Blacks and Latinos were still in gang wars for the most part. Blacks gave up breakdancing early because truthfully it was more juice in being a rapper!
@@BeyBrightOfficial You're 52? That means in 1977 you were only 7 years old
@@doingit2death yes and I was seeing everything first hand as a 7 year old from the teenager gangs and crews who lived on my block in Clermont Village and off Webster Avenue. Before that I was actually living in Kool Herc’s building at 1520 Sedgwick Avenue from 1972-1975. Although I was a baby, my young parents are family were there and I was told the origins. I was breakdancing with my friends to Dance to the Drummers Beat and Apache everyday from 1977 until 1980! You see and absorb a lot back in those days in the streets New York City. Life was different and hip hop culture was new and contagious. That’s why everyone wants to lay claim to the origins of the culture and at times rewrite history. 💯
next they gonna say they invented blues. rock n roll, Tupac, and our version of gospel
IF YOU WASNT IN THE BRONX IN THOSE TIMES YOU NEED TO JUST SIT BACK AND LISTEN TO THOSE WHOVE BEEN THERE SINCE THE START
@leek487
Hip Hop did not start in the 80s. They were not around for the birth of Hip Hop. They came later.
@@leek487 they are from brooklyn nice try tho
My bad I was on about the start of Def jam,the biggest commercial hip hop label....I know,t started in the mid 70's apparently in the Bronx,But they did help in the birth of the biggest record label Def jam....
I know the beastie boy wasn't from the Bronx,I just meant that they did play a big part in the involvement of hip hop,just as much as ll cool I if not more.....
I'm a big fan of the early hip hop,it's much better than the Garbage of today,mid to late 70s and early 80s is the best of hip hop.
I know the Dj kool herc story and the Bronx it's legendary,and I loved the electro days as well,and the messages in hip hop were better especially compared to the rap music of today.....
American music forms: Spirituals,, Blues, Ragtime, Jazz, Country, Gospel, Bluegrass, Folk, Rock n Roll, Doo-Wop, Soul, Funk, Disco, Punk, House and of course Rap and Hip Hop---all enjoy well documented Black American roots coupled with undeniable Black American influence---whether directly or indirectly..
Latinos -- puerto ricans particularly -- explain how you co-created or co-invented yet another installment in the legacy of Black Musical expression known as Rap and Hip Hop, yet didn't co-create or co-invent any of the elements of the 14 or so African American music forms that preceeded it? Or why you were nowhere to be found and absent during the creative and inventive foundation outlining the forms of Black American musical expression, brilliance and greatness throughout, or even prior to the previous 14 or so Black American music forms that are mentioned above. Yet then, all of a sudden--out of nowhere, you folks come along and falsely claim latinos and/or puerto ricans co-created and co-invented Rap and Hip Hop 50/50 half n half (which is the evidence-free and utter nonsense being peddled by derrick colon, radical latino, fat joe and numerous other un-informed and envious latinos---claims latinos never mentioned, verbalized or asserted during its inception in the early 1970's)---latinos claims of "50/50--half & half co-creation and co-invention just don't add up---it makes no sense and are increasingly coming under heavy scrutiny which is leading to these claims being easily debunked--as it should've been.
Moreover, the heavy hateful and many times racist criticism directed at the Black American youngsters, by the racist white media over having created Rap and Hip Hop, latinos -- particularly puerto ricans -- and jamaicans NEVER came forward to denounce the vicious onslaught, yet 50 years later they want to take credit for this FBA art form that they didn't create.
That man knows Latino didn't create this ...he making business decisions 🤣🤣
your mad
@@griddilla2374 'my name is ruby d and im a puerto rican, you might think im black by the way im speaking' wildstyle circa 82
The truth hurts bro
Fat Joe said Black and Puerto Ricans created hip hop 50/50. I've seen interviews of the first breakdancers Trixie and A1 B-boy Sasa and they both said Puerto Ricans were not there in the beginning in the early 70s at those Cool Herc parties. Puerto Ricans got into breakdancing, rapping and dj'ing in the late 70s
It's about right...
Puerto ricans been there since day 1 , yall in denial
@@starvingartists2869 In those days Puerto Ricans had their own street and youth culture. Puerto Ricans were uprockers and rock dancers, not b-boys
@@starvingartists2869 there's no denying... the south bronx was made up of who?.. the music and the culture were jamming.....blastoff
@starving
Who was the PRs that was there from day 1???? I would to hear this answer!
How is this even a question?
Parrish Smith(PMD) is my friend. We went to college together and I ended up working for him in 1993 as a Operations Officer at PMD/RCA Records and day to day manager at Shuma Management, which included Das Efx. Love for every last one of my industry fam, especially for P putting me down at my very first industry gig, along with everyone at his companies! Now, back to the question: I've said it before and I'll say it again(but in a very loose and casual way), with no quantifiable marker or measure as to who did what...I feel that divides us! I'm Jamaican and proud of my ancestry(which is a book all in itself), so am very proud to say, IF IT WEREN'T FOR BORED GENIUS AFRICAN AMERICAN, JAMAICAN AND LATINO BROTHERS FROM THE BRONX...HIP HOP, would not have been created...PERIOD!!
the FBA would say you're a tether with no rights to say that the jamaican has anything to do with hiphop, tareeq nasheed goes as far as making a documentary shitting on any jamaicans claiming they created anything,Nasheed discredits reggae music culture saying that it is all derived from FBA music...
This dude wasn't even
there in the early 1970s. He was not at any of those Jams. This man was born in 1968 he would have been 4-5 years old in 1973.
My Long Island KING$....Great work, Kraze......
It has definitely been mentioned. Look at the history. Look at the groups from djing, emceeing, breaking, and grafitee. Very well documented.
All created by Black Americans.
Yeah from the 80s that’s when pmd came into hip hop the 80s was not the creation of hip hop! Those that were there already spoke on this already it was a couple but it was a gradual thing with PRs and hip hop because their peers was racist as shit to the blacks! They wanted no part of it back them 70-71 and so on! Jungle bunny music I wonder where that saying came from?
@@Black_unity597epmd was in NY before they started rapping they have more say than you
@Black_unity597 when did the creation period of hip hop end? Also, where you from? Black Americans weren't rocking with hip hop like that in the beginning neither. People need to stop acting like FBA's embraced hip hop from the start. Schoolly D said the first time he toured outside the USA it was with the Clash. A white, English, punk band. It wasn't with James Brown or Tina Turner or the Isley Brothers.
Thats cap fba down south did rock with hip hop from the jump go ask them where they money was coming from doing they tours down south @bowlerfamily
What I don't get is why are we not asking the people who created Hip Hop? We act like they are 200 years old or something. The FIRST Puerto RICANS in Hip Hop said they were the ONLY latins in the parties
YET, its people who came in the late 70's that are being the spokes people on hip hop. I lost so much respect for rap artists cause instead of saying you don't know they just push the lies even more.
Kool Her said himself Jamaica had NOTHING to do with his sound system, he was emulating AMerican sound systems, but we just keep hearing about Jamaica cause he's Jamaican. Two turntables, and an mc with Cabinet speakers, and subwoofers originated in NYC NOT Jamaica. They didn't even start using turntables until the early 1980's. Americans went into nightclubs while Jamaicans stayed with same style of using bi speakers outside so people assume we got it from them. Black AMericans in NYC don't even know their own history. Thank God for the internet!
And, Fat Joe said his projects was 90% black, and full of Gods, and listening to hip hop at the Park Jams. How can he then say years later it was 50/50? Even Big pun is seen thanking black americans for accepting him doing our music. Why would he say that if it was 50/50? Black people are so lost!
Correct!
You're right, but people are invested in this lie to the fact that you only have two comments on the truth and a bunch on the lies.
The CIA created hip hop and gangster rap
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Brothas on the West Coast dealt with the same thing. We learned Hip Hop from the cats in New York. When Beat Street dropped in 1984 we had already been break dancing for years because Brothas from the East Coast came to Cali and we ate that shit up. If Puerto Ricans started the culture then on the West Coast we would have seen them doing it first. We got our first taste of Hip Hop from Suga Hill Gang and Africa Bombata. And I know they were not the founders but they were some of the first commercial Hip Hop Artists. By 1984 Hip Hop had gone commercial. The Movie Breakin came out the same year Beat Street came out. And in Breakin they tried to have the lead characters Latino and a white chick. And the two Brothas were side-kicks. At that point we just left it alone and let the Mexicans and Asians have it.
Participatiin and creation not the same. Nobody in comments can name a latino rapper from 70s or 80s That was "Relevant"
DJ Charlie Chase:
"I never had a problem with it, but apparently when I started DJing Hip-Hop music, I was getting heat from the Blacks and the Puerto Ricans. The blacks were like this is our music, go back to your own music with your cow bells" and your Salsa music. The Hispanics were like what are you doing playing that jungle bunny music. I put on the blinders and said this is what I am going to do. I stuck to my guns and did what I had to do. As I was growing up in the Hip-Hop business, me and Tony would go to parties together and they would hear that Charlie Chase was is in the house and they would push me aside and greet Tony as Chase cause everyone thought I was black (laughs)! They always had this look on their face, like what? We went thru that for a while.
Hmm i see you got no responses.. 😅 This is their "puoneer" saying this..
@@bettyboopsie9836You obviously don't understand what's actually being said.
I don't think we should get bogged down with this topic. It's getting corny hearing these so-called pro-black clowns want to exclude the contributions that the Latino, mainly Puerto Rican community. These FBA , followers of Tariq Nasheed, are out to divide the community. Whether or not if black people created it, we don't have control of it.
I think it's the identity politics thing that kind of has bled into other discourses. ADOS/FBA discourse online has spread online into mainstream discourse. It has the potential to be very divisive and seek to lay blame if the proper nuance is not expressed. Tension in black and brown communities have always existed right alongside stereotypes about different ethnic groups. Hip-Hop is black music (As Joe and others stated in the interview they take issue with) so to me that's where it should end, but ADOS and FBA have a particular "political" agenda that they are seeking to push which to me gets in the way of music/culture and divides rather then brings people together. Music is universal, and human expression is universal to all colors and ethnicities, it's a big reason why Hip-Hop grew beyond the streets because of its universal embrace of others.
Some of those online guys are gritiers like Nasheed. He was once a failed rapper turned pick up artist turned pro black UA-camr. It's purely for money IMO. Poverty pimps as my uncle would say!!!
Aint this dude from Long Island?
Yes Brentwood
Why you asking? Public Enemy from Strong Island too.
Eastcoast dudes will give hip hop away if we left it up to them.
@jack1uptone963 where you from?
@@bowlerfamily
He's right though
BLACK AMERICANS CREATED THIS ART FORM STOP WITH THESE POLITICAL ANSWERS.. AINT NO 50/50
😂 legit pioneers that was there are all saying it and you think your opinion holds weight? 🤡 sit this one out.
@@hexputicious7056He was obviously being politically correct.
What year did the creation process end?
You are wrong
Ok, no 50/50…Ain’t a political answer, it’s based off what he observed growing up as a witness during those times. Looking at it based off emotions, you have to ask yourself, were you there? Peace and love!
What about DJ doc rodriguez and all them powerplay recordings?!?!?!?
What genre the latino created...
No
I respect your opinion but I think we had a big part of it especially in the south bronx... we were there in the beginning
"Hip Hop started out in the Bronx"
And in the brinx un that time what was the overwhelming population?? Blacks and Latinos
Better question....why is this important to debate?
I believe our younger generation has absolutely no clue .
Yep.. couldn't agree more bud.... Someone wants glorification....
It's erasure. They're trying to steal Hip Hop just like the whites stole rock and roll
Because Tariq Nasheed and some other dudes from Elvis Country never met a Nuyorican or any Puerto Rocks from the inner city and want to paint the picture that this is an attempt by Ricans to colonize hip hop.
People, please go watch "THE CULTURE : DEBUNK BUSTA RHYMES AND PETE ROCK'S OUTRAGEOUS COMMENTS" to learn the truth on hip hop history from the creators mouths themselves, not people who came later. It's here on UA-cam
And, Jamaican elders tell where they got sound systems from, US!
To learn about the BEST sound systems in the world in the 1970's in NYC, and who hip hop dj's were emulating(NOT JAMAICAN DJ'S) watch "Founding Fathers The Untold Story of Hip Hop" narrated by Chuck D
Also, Lord Jamar talks to the first Puerto Ricans in Hip Hop on his youtube channel, and they tell the truth on how it was back then, it was over 90% black at the jams
lol
When I got to Mount Vernon from Jerome Ave in the BX, , brand Nubian was starting to bubble and I remember thinking “damn now WestChester wanna be hip-hop😂”
I will jump out there and say I don’t know about the rapping aspect but the dancing aspect was created by Latinos because it originated from the young Puerto Ricans being kicked out of the salsa clubs for spinning and dancing on the floor
This had to be in the 80"s that's when Puerto Ricans made those particular dance moves popular.
Applaud this man for speaking facts 👏👏👏👏👏👏 Learn something Tariq
Cool Herc comes from a predominantly latino South Bronx...still is. That means playing basketball in an Afro latino park, and DJ'd the block parties. Caribbean is the ground zero of the slave trade here. South Bronx has been home to Puerto ricans since 1948. Kool Herc was a kid growing up in a very musical environment. All the clubs in the 70's were latin in that part of town. The break beat consisted of the congas....
this is sad ..yall latinos got soo much of a rich ass culture to appreciate. why yall gotta try to claim hip hop too?...we cool sharing, but yall didnt create it! cut that bullsht lie out! yall helped make it popular by being in the hood where it was born, but make no mistake its Black American Art!! And Yall cant have it
Latinos joined the bandwagon after it got popular. I know bc I was there. PMD doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
reslly what year would you say???
@griddilla2374 Here's the truth: Latinos didn't create hip-hop or rap. They were there n participated in it. They contributed NOTHING! They followed bc they were in the hood with blk ppl. Blk ppl started it! Whipper Whip from Fantastic 5 mcs was the only nice Latino. Even he imitated mcs like Melle Mel, Kid Creole, Keith Cowboy, Rahim from Furious 5 mcs who were the best at that time. Facts! The best DJs were n still are GM FLASH n Grand Wizard Theodore.They made hip-hop/rap deejaying popular n developed techniques that aspiring dj's followed. Facts! Charlie Chase from Coldcrush Brothers included. Facts! I was there, I know. PMD is a long Island dude n wasn't there when it started. He's a commercial rapper! Facts!
@@shooz4unme hip hop started with djs and bboys. rapping and graffiti predate it. if latino blacks and carib blacks were there among fbas than yeah they did control things. tex dj hollywood was here with disco king mario before hip hop even started. he was pr black
@griddilla2374 No...smh..Mario didn't start it.
@@shooz4unme i did not say he started it. kool herc did. what i said was that tex dj hollywood marios right hand man was in the hip hop scene or what became the hip hop scene before day one. ultimately debunking the latinos came later myth. it would not even make sense considering the pr and mixed black gangs of the bx were the first contributers to hip hop culture before anyone else.watch the rubble kings documentary.
I can promise you he has a latin child...
You probably right ! lol
He like Dwight meat
How can Spanish help when all the music was black American music not latino or Jamaican period
Latin, Hispanic & Spanish is too broad a term. It was Nuyoricans that were there at the start. Porto Rocks…Power Rule. Not just there for the beginning of Hip Hop, but the Harlem Renaissance (Arturo Schomburg) and The 5% Nation of Gods and Earths. Hence the term Power Rule. Not South Americans. Nor Central Americans. Not Mexicans. Not Spaniards. In Harlem, Lower East Side (Nuyorican Poets Cafe’) and in The Bronx where it started, in NYC, it was Puerto Ricans. No other nationality, not even Africans, has been so tied together, for over 100yrs, with Black Americans like Puerto Ricans.
From what I've observed, Puerto Ricans have been the best rappers.... Chino XL, Beast1333, Big Pun etc
@@sovereigncosmicwildman I never got into Chino and never heard of the other guy. But damn It felt good when PUN was alive. There are a lot of P.R.’s or half PR in the biz, they just keep it hush. Jim Jones is one. You get further in American Entertainment if you dont reveal your PR, unless your a woman. They luv PR women and if a talented one pops up, she will get some shine. But the men, nah, we gets no luv, unless your a prodigy like PUN was. However, Bad Bunny is the biggest artist in the world right now. But the luv is coming from Spanish Speaking countries. Which if you can get into that side as a PR, as you can see, we can blow up. Spanish is the second most spoken language globally in terms of native speakers. Those Conquistadors were no joke. lol
@@sovereigncosmicwildmanchino xl’s mother is FBA and his dad was a deadbeat. Mind you his uncle(Mother’s brother) was a member of Parliament.
@@sovereigncosmicwildman bs...pun was just a hispanic kool g rap...
@@sovereigncosmicwildmanThere is a photo of Pun on his hands and knees kneeling to Kool G Rap as his God and Messiah. He may have struggled getting back to his feet. Your thoughts
DJ Charley Chase was the Furious Five's DJ before Grandmaster Flash. Prince Whipper Whip was a Cold Crush Brother. There is no debate among true Hip-Hoppers. Rap fans maybe need lessons in the culture.
they all joined black culture. Whipper Whip was raised by his black American Father
@Money Euros Durring the seventies, how much time did you spend in the Bronx? My grandmother lived in the BX at that time. I lived in Queens, my mom grew up in Brooklyn and most of our family friends were there. But I did spend quite a bit of my summers from 73 - 86 in the BX. It was the one of the five boroughs, known to be heavily populated with Latinos.
@@mc365mc What element wouldn't exist without Ricans ? I didn't spend a single summer there, but Cholly Rock and the Black Spades did...
@@mc365mc Latin Godfather Trac 2 spoke on it
@@mc365mc Are you black ? I been black my whole life....I know about black people
He scared to talk
Exactly
ABSOLUTELY NOT!
Jamaicans and Latino have absolutely nothing to do with the creation of hip hop. Name one hip hop classic that sampled Puerto Rican music, Name one Jamaican rapper that used Jamaican music or a cadence on a hip hop classic. Im waiting.
I'm 59 I'm fba I was there , there where no pr there , they came later in the 90, and there first rapper where fat jo and big pund , also the Latin woman was inpress with fba man they craving to fba man because they where lnpress with them, and men where afaid of losing the grip on there woman
Pmd .... Epic FaiL Vide0 !! (0% history of his own artform) ~ 🤔 ... 📀
American music forms: Spirituals, Blues, Ragtime, Jazz, Country, Gospel, Bluegrass, Folk, Rock n Roll, Doo-Wop, Soul, Funk, Disco, Punk, House and of course Rap and Hip Hop---all enjoy well documented African American roots coupled with undeniable Black American influence---whether directly or indirectly..
Latinos -- Puerto Ricans particularly -- please explain how you co-created or co-invented yet another installment in the legacy of Black Musical expression known as Rap and Hip Hop, yet didn't co-create or co-invent any of the elements of the 14 or so African American music forms that preceeded it? Or why you were nowhere to be found and absent during the creative and inventive foundation outlining the forms of African American musical expression, brilliance and greatness throughout, or even prior to the previous 14 or so African American music forms that are mentioned above. Yet then, all of a sudden--out of nowhere, you folks come along and falsely claim latinos and/or puerto ricans co-created and co-invented Rap and Hip Hop 50/50 half n half (which is the evidence-free and utter nonsense being peddled by Dr. Derrick Colon, radical latino, Fat Joe and numerous other un-informed and envious latinos---claims latinos never mentioned, verbalized or asserted during its inception in the early 1970's)---latinos claims of "50/50--half & half co-creation and co-invention just don't add up---it makes no sense and are increasingly coming under heavy scrutiny which is leading to these claims being easily debunked--widespread. Nice try though latinos and puerto ricans.
Make it make sense Latinos
Joe said it was 50/50 that was the issue if that's true then there was a Latin Kool Herc a Latin coke la rock at the same time the answer is no no no! Also they didn't create rap hell no ! U can ask the 1st Latin Rapper Ruby Dee it's on UA-cam! However they are contributors to the culture for certain but it wasn't 50/50 no way but yes they contributed they came after black folks had already started it it's not up for debate that's a fact
Where u in nyc in those times?
@@jimmyatila The Bronx
This was already debunked, several times, months ago, by Latinos 😂😂😂😂
Big Facts plus he's not old enough to answer that question. Which I feel is why the interviewer asked him. The guy running the channel could be Afro-Latino or Half Latino 🤔.Plus PMD is from Long Island.
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What’s PMD’s ethnicity & Do he gotta Latina baby moma?
That usually tells us a lot about these old heads from NYC.
prolly why eric sermon said fck this nga
Meh? Am I the only one that doesn't care if we were there or not? I never saw rap as a divided genre and that's the reason I fell in love with the music. Growing up we always talked and shared different rap artist etc. no one said hey homie you are not black so stop listening to it. On some real shit no one ever pointed that out so I never felt empty or missing something because a Latino was not in my rap playlist. I didn't care about Big Pun, Cypress Hill, Kid Frost because they were Latinos. I cared about Immortal Technique, Joell Ortiz and later B- Real because they were hard. I think you start to need representation when you are not welcoming other people into the culture like Hollywood aka movie industry , Rock, Country etc. In the US I always saw rap as black music but always welcoming to everyone (let's not say anything about the culture vultures that pretend like they didn't steal the sound and swag and gave no props).
It's not even a debate
This all goes back to the black community and the black church down south where there were no Latinos what other music Latinos created to inspire hip hop
He took forever and danced around to say yes Joe Is correct
Fat Joe is not correct and he was being politically correct so as to not offend anyone.
He isn’t even old enough to answer that question he wasn’t their he can only speak to 80s hip hop that’s his error 1 or 2 PRs do not make anything 50/50 they have a video of fat Joe at a jam he stood out like a soar thumb he was the only lAtino their! The way hip hop have always been even all the way it is today it was never no 50/50 hip hop is soundtrack to black life PRs didn’t go thru what Black Americans did and still do PRs classify themselves as white tell the truth knock it off!
No Latinos did not create hip-hop they helped contribute hip-hop but they didn’t create it African-American people are the ones that came up with it all Hispanic people did was contribute no disrespect to Hispanic people because I have love for them I really do love Hispanic /Latino people but I got to be real A lot of Hispanic people think because they share the same urban culture as Black people they can take credit for the stuff that we come up with
Just go back and listen to the early hip hop records. 0% latino influenced
Puerto Ricans was there from the beginning
They was there with a pen and pad copying Black Americans
Who name them
Watchin' nothing else cause they just dont have it in there nature to create this kinda sound and swag. So they could only just watch , critisize then smile with you, participate then try to steal it
I've all respect for this man to sit up here and say some dumb ass shit like sell out brother 😅
The CIA started hip hop.
Glad you brought this up because Mos Def's recent comments about rap being black pisses me off. The origin of hip hop comes from the drums of the native root races which involves every humanoid race on Terra. Just a side note... Common said in one of his songs "At times I feel Mexican, hip hop is my God".
Wow… at that misquote of the Common lyric… just shows how bad y’all are reaching
The lyric is:
“Redeeming the ancients with ageless rhyme jargon
*I feel Mexican, hip hop is my garden*
Don't give a fuck where you charting, certain shit I can't honor
It ain't that you selling, it's your karma..”
@@TheLobMob Hogwash. He said "at times I feel Mexican...". Does not take away from the original point being made that hip is not just Melanated Music, it's Albino, Brown, Copper, Cream colored peoples as well, and have stock in hip hop origins that date way farther back than most don't even realise
@@sovereigncosmicwildman LOL...man you wild for that nonsense
Please get your own culture 😂
@@QLivin Hip Hop is Mexican fool
Yes puerto ricans did
Fake news
Yes, Latino's did help in creating hip hop.
No, they did not they might have helped spread it around NYC, though.
What did they create?
If anyone denies that ricans don’t have. A huge part of the beginning of hip hop is a denialists!!!! From graffiti to breakdancing to dj to MC THEY CONTRIBUTED WITH ALL THE ELEMENTS THAT DEFINES HIP HOP LIFESTYLE
Just as i thought Parish is a punk!
He didn’t say anything
Yes they did
U smokn
Just lost alot of respect for pmd
pmd babbling...these dudes are afraid to speak...guy asked avout latino, he taslking about jamaicans
Puertoricans always been there yall in denial
All 3 races did really......white's Jews cause they let hip hop in the door on major labels.....Jamaica's dance hall rappers found the Blue print and NY BX blacks and with it and twist it around......Latino's jump on it fast and help hip hop spread to...........but if Jamaica never came to the Bronx it would of been no hip hop but only why Jamaican came to BX cause Jamaica went independent from UK and things went bad in Jamaica so the Jamaica's went to UK and BX 💯🤣😂🎯🎯
In my opinion it's sad that people are STRAIGHT UP LYING about who created HIPHOP. WE ALL KNOW BLACK AMERICANS CREATED IT. THATS JUST A FACT
I'd like to ask, Did whites have any hand in creating hip hop? And why didn't Latinos help? No one knows the behind the scenes when it all began. Djs and breakers. (latino and whites.) Prove me wrong.
Does Rick Ruben count???? As a white person?? One of the best producers ever..
@Futureone. I would say as far as graff writing is concerned, I would say that they played a significant role. Some of the writers that I heard of back in the late 70s-80s were: Zephyr, Futura 2000, Seen, and Dondi. Mr. Freez from the Rock Steady Crew is white.
All in every race played a part in hip hop from djs break dancers graffiti artist to the low riders everyone played a part in the creation and birth of hip hop "it's not just a black thing" it's a street thing every race take a bit of the credit....
@@leek487 I was born in '69 and we didn't have this discussion about who started this thing. This argument has become corny.
Its a silly senseless conversation to be honest it wasn't created by any race particular it was a street thing,but as always someone wants to own it all and take the credit,the same as graffiti ending up in art galleries it's a sellout of what it was and what it means as its about money now.... Nothing to with the reason,or culture of the streets.... Hip hop was a culture,then rap came and like locusts infected it,then it lost the culture so I don't care about rap music,but hip hop is universal it's belongs to so many races not just 1.... If u know hip hop you will know this.... "I am hip hop" it's a way of life....
Technology shows hip-hop has been going back to the 1940s and break dancing in silent films in the early 1900s. Didn’t see any Latinos back then sorry.
Absolutely..Latinos in the south bronx definitely were there in the beginning... peace and love ..
Being there & creating it are two different things
@@adamphillip5305 YOU BEST KNOW WHO WAS IN THE STUDIO AND IN THE CLUBS AND THE INVESTORS.. there's books on this man.
I am Puerto Rican 100%....with that being said I feel Puerto rRcans did not help create "Rap Music" but we did help create "Hip Hop". That facts all day every day. Parish is 100% correct.
Hell no
No! Because kool dj herc started it
That has been debunked watch "The Culture..Since 1971","Uptown Blade Brown " and "The Boostedo" UA-cam channels this nonsense has to cease.
@@lroyjetsonson5060 no he started hip hop
@Míchele Cobré So you won't even watch the videos. I don't know why you Immigrants want to be the Creators of culture in Black America so bad. WHAT IS YOUR DISTAIN FOR BLACK AMERICANS?