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Cool Herc did not invent hip hop, He brought an element. They say he through the first hip hop parties, but it wasn't even called hip hop until other elements came into play. He wasn't rapping ,scratching, break dancing, and doing graffiti Yes, he is foundational, but he is Just one of the cornerstones. Respect to him and the other legendary foundational members.
DJ Toasting and use of two turntables were first done by Black American DJ's. FBA DJ's Grandmaster Flowers, Pete “DJ” Jones and Disco King Mario are actually the founding fathers of Hip Hop. The Beat Break was created by Pete DJ Jones. Dj scratching was created by Grand Wizard Theodore. Mixing and blending was created by Cool DJ Dee. They are all Black Americans. FBA Disco King Mario was a pioneer of Hip Hop. By 1971 he was a prominent DJ of the Bronx. He lived in the Bronxdale projects where his parties made him well known locally. Bambaataa started out as an ASSISTANT to Mario.
The Black American culture includes Juneteenth, the quilting tradition, jumping the broom, HBCU's, soul food, various dances, inventions, ingenuity, family reunions and AAVE. We created top music genres such as the Blues, Rock & Roll, Gospel, Country, Jazz, R&B, and Hip Hop.
This right here is the problem with most of the younger generation not caring about the roots and history of Hip Hop…they’re not aware of some of the pioneers so they start erasing peoples contributions
@@joechurch78 dude do you even know who Kool Herc is? Dude basically created hip hop, and he’s from Jamaica. So how in the heck can someone be mad that Jamaicans are saying they created hip hop when Herc is Jamaican. I’m a b-boy for life, so they can’t fool me with these lies they are trying to tell.
@Thatguy Ain’t too many motherfuckers walking this earth that don’t have something incredibly stupid that they have no justification for taking part of in hindsight... 🤷🏾♂️
@@thelegendthatischels I mean OF and all is out I'm guessing they thought anything goes. We got 14 year old sons going to jail for child support for teachers who graped them lmao. We go the purge law passed for chicago where everyone can do what they want short of murder and cops cant come help.... so....
Vlad is missing a whole lot on this topic..This whole thing started with bustah rhymes saying jamaicans started hiphop and americans have no culture and we got fat joe saying latinos started it 50/50. Its not about americans being mad its about getting the facts straight. Which needs to be done because for some reason everyone takes from black american music and then try to ignore us like it was never ours. And here we go woth hiphop. If you believe america has no culture you’re just too far behind and uninformed if you dont know black Americans started most of the musical genres here on america. As far as jamaicans even raeggae music was a spinoff of jazz music and they got the talking on the mic thing from american djs. Now back to hiphop. Kool herc admitted americans wouldnt vibe to anything jamaican back thing and he couldnt play any jamaican music. Sound systems were already in America because we were already using them for block partie, looping samples wasnt anything new because disco djs were already doing that but kool herc played toward a street crowd while disco was inside of dance clubs. And the loops being played were all funk and soul records( american music). Thats all herc did. (No graffiti, didnt rap, didnt dance but we attribute the whole thing being started by jamaica??? Really). Mind you he was a little child when he came to america. Other latinos have already come out and said it wasnt 50/50 at first. There were a few sprinkled in but they were looked at as traitors because hispanics and blacls werent getting along like that in the bx at the time and they called black music(jungle music) This isnt about americans being mad its about Americans finally standing up and not allowing ppl to erase them out of their own culture. Everybody has joined in on what black americans started taken from it, even made spinoffs of it just to turn around and act like black americans have no culture. Yhe anger is the other way around. Everybody is mad black americans are finally defending themselves
Vlad does all that police ass “ homework “ he knows. He also knows who started this debate, because he just mentioned the mans name in a Dj Akadimiks interview. Vlad switched up the whole principle of the question
Kool Herc moved to the States at 11. That’s really late, if you know you know. The man credited with inventing the earliest form of “hip hop” is Kool Herc. The man is Jamaican. That is relevant. Hip Hop is an amalgamation of Caribbean sound system culture and various pockets of black American culture. Nonetheless it is an American product because it was invented in America. Don’t get on the victim ting tho dawg cuz we all know the history of what every non black diasporas American has gone through dealing with black Americans since we migrated here in mass. Be a little careful with your victim narrative “finally defending ourselves” verbiage, otherwise you are correct but don’t pretend Hip Hop exists without influence from Jamaican culture. I’m Haitian I have no skin in the game but facts are facts. If you understand NY city, or multicultural cities at all, you’ll understand that it’s impossible to attribute much of anything to one group of people. It’s called a melting pot for a reason.
Nothing is stolen, we give it away. We gave away jazz, we gave away rock and roll. They tried to take RNB but they just couldn't, black people are just the best singers period. But we are definitely giving away rap, Jack Harlow is a rapper? Doja cat is a rapper? Gtfoh😡
You are wrong about so many things here Jamaicans invented the sound system it made its way to New York after that…we didn’t get talking on mics form American djs either in fact it was the other way around Americans got it from us. The big records at the time would have the song on one side of the disc and the instrumental on the other . Jamaicans started “toasting” over the instrumental which gave birth to rap and dancehall. Toasting itself had it roots in Africa and finally Reggae is not a spin off of jazz it evolved from ska.
Nah… they’re with us when it’s cool, but they bounce when it’s dangerous. I’m Haitian, 2nd Gen born in the US, and Hip Hop is CLEARLY AFRICAN AMERICAN FIRST The Caribbeans didn’t create the pizza… they added toppings💯
The Spaniards killed and enslaved the natives on their own land, same way it happened in the US. Haiti/DR, Jamaica, Puerto Rico, Cuba, ETC. All our ancestors went through the same shit. We lost our true culture long ago and now these cultures we had to take on are just a symbol of their dominance over our ancestors. We're stronger unified, not separated, and that's how Hip-Hop came to be.
My dude,.. Hop-Hop is form in many elements within the culture. Graffiti and Bboying was predominantly Latino … the Latino DJ’s in Chicago in house music led the bboy movement and its foundation. Same with the Puerto Ricans in NYC. Who the fck you think was bombing train stations, under ground battles, peace books publishing, etc ? Latinos, son… My brothers were DJ’s in Chicago in the 80s, when it was all going down. In L.A the dickies, low riders, bboying, and tagging was an element to Hip-Hop … why do you think our Black-Americans in Cali drove Impalas and wore Dickies in their music videos? Who do you think was it’s influence? And lastly, my dude,.. I was there to witness … chicity right here *********It was Black-Americans and Latin-Americans. Those are facts … might want to buy history of bboying and graffiti on eBay. Ya tu sabes
Graffiti wad created by black Americans...... House was created by black Americans out of Chicago. Lol In LA low riders was started by black Americans.
@@anatorres-ym8ke What does that have to do with black immigrants claiming foundation black americans creations? Can anyone give a clear answer without deflecting to out of context nonsense?
Being around doesn’t mean you created something 😂,I’m South African,I love hip hop,Black Americans created it,that’s something we can never take away from them,otherwise they’d be evidence of it being created elsewhere by others
They can't claim as of now so they attempt to latch on. Clearly it is a movement evolving who's goal is to make people think hip hop would not have made it to where it is without Latinos.
dudes be emotional and in their feelings about things they have ZERO ownership over and don't make money off of 👀🤦🏿♂️.....and if by chance any funds are/have been made, it's CRUMBS smh 🙄😒
😂😂😂 There was no such thing as Dancehall when hip hop was created fool. We literally birthed Jamaicans musically. Pigmeat markham “here comes the judge” 1968, show me anything out of Jamaica that sounds like that I’m the 60s??? In fact, Jamaica didn’t even get a recording studio until 1961 and the first signed act was an AMERICAN 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 FOH
One Jamaican does not make iT the whole country, the other thing Jamaican Dance Hall and music before Reggae was influenced by African American SUBPOP culture.
Bullshit !!! Flyting in 15th- and 16th-century Scotland is analogous to a modern-day rap competition during which rappers improvise clever disses and put-downs against their opponents. Similarly, the makars (a Scottish word for "poets") engaged in verbal duels in which they voiced extravagant invectives in verse against their rivals. The base of flyting is the ancient verb flyte (also spelled flite), meaning "to contend" or "to quarrel
Cool herc did not invent nothing. We need to stop that lie. He's a DJ how, could he create breakdancing graffiti and rapping. He only gets props for throwing the best hip hop parties in the Bronx. But he threw a party for something that was already there. We need to kill that lie.
Correct my brother jeff at 67 seven now from clay ave in the bronx . Herc came and saw hip hop already started he just addded the non vocal part of the record to the game. Back then he said grand master flash was king not kool herc. Some people believe sugar hill gang started rap.
There was nothing called hip hop when Herc was throwing his parties. He was the 1st Dj with an Emcee (Before that Djs did their own mic work). Early Emceeing was about using rhymes to hype up the crowd, not about writing songs, which came later with Melly Melle. Herc was also the first Dj to play only break down sections for dancers to dance. Other Djs at the time ,like Disco King Mario played songs and when the break down part came the dancers would come out and start dancing, but Herc didn't play the entire song he played breaks only.
Rap really started with... Here Comes The Judge - Pigmeat Markham (1968) Watch the video. He was born in Durham, NC in 1904. He died in Bronx, NY in 1981. It is no coincidence he was living in the Bronx, when it started in the Bronx. SOMEONE BIT HIS STYLE!
“Rap” not hiphop “hiphop” is a culture it’s not just rapping and hiphop music is a culmination of different genres as is reggae these arguments are fruitless
@@TONEYVISIONENTERTAINMENT without rap there is no hip hop. Black Americans started it. Just like we started. Blues, county, jazz, rock and roll, gospel, and r&b.
Theres no argument about what black Americans started but to pretend like other nationalities didn’t aid in the development of hiphop is silly Europeans “started” America but “black” people made contributions hence you referring to said people as “Black Americans”
If u aint from NYC your opinion is invalid. Thats all you had in the BX back then. Blacks and Puerto Ricans. No other Spanish race. No Dominicans, Mexicans, South Americans.
Hispanics don’t care about hip hop. It was just Puerto Ricans who helped create hip hop. Fat Joe is a boot licker for aa, but most Hispanics could careless
PUERTO RICANS population in the BRONX was 0.01 during BLACK AMERICANS HIP HOP CULTURE JAM SESSIONS. CULTURE VULTURES aren't creators. Most of the Puerto Ricans I knew were LIARS, BACKSTABBING, thieves so BLACK AMERICANS didn't jell with them like that. STOP TRYING TO CREATE SOME FALSE TOGETHERNESS beyond courtesy. Got it!
@@lawrenceware6279No one said they did. They were clearly there though. You a bama. You bama's don't know shit in whatever bama ass town you from. The south Bronx at the time was and still is 75% Latino. You think something as big as Hip Hop is gonna start there and no Latino is gonna be around. Stop being a ignant bama and listen to the OG's that were there tell the true story. Not some Internet SJW's trying to rewrite history.
If Black people (all of us, not just one group) was as passionate about cleaning their communities and open up black owned business as they are about which black really created a genre of music, we'd be chilling on the moon.
Black people do care. Thats what the reparations movement is all about. Claiming whats owed. And culture wise same thing. Hip hop is 100% created by black americans. Whats the problem?
@@carltonbanks5470 I don't think you really took the time to read my comment. Don't embarrass us, Carlton, we all know that you're a nerd so we know you don't have any reading problems. Read it again and comment again if you want.
Hip hop comes from black folks souls. It's been around forever. It wasn't invented it was discovered then rediscovered until people realized what they found. The person with the most DNA in this current thing we call hip hop is James Brown. Shout out to Clyde Stubblefield - The Funky Drummer - .
Right... Ig-no-grant is bliss. Always trying to reclaim something that is already in the books but when it's black crime they Run for the hills and don't want to claim anything. They can miss me with the Shenanigans.
No, it came from the souls and experiences of the FOUNDATIONAL BLACK AMERICAN. I don’t know about the rest of black people because they have yet to produce good music without copying us
Grandmaster Caz told him right here on vlad TV that they had no part in the creation. Vlad just twisted his words to push this narrative. And aris so ignorant he does not know what going on or how he being played
1.Busta Rhymes said our culture came from them and we don’t have a culture.. which is a lie 2.Fat joe said us and Latinos created hip hop 50/50..which is a lie Being around vs creating something is not the same Vlad ain’t shyt frfr
@@isidrosalas5088 He doesn't have to "contribute" to the culture. Hip Hop is a part of his identity. FBA don't come from Hip Hop. Hip Hop comes from FBA. It's you tethers that must pay "contributions" to be a part of our culture.
@@americasmaker lmaoo what’s with the black community nowadays?? all the hiphop founding fathers say blacks and Latinos created rap music together n y’all wanna say nah didn’t happen
Vlad gotta understand that when you say Jamaicans invented something, that means you inventing something derived from the cultural facets of Jamaica. Hip-Hop was derived from the cultural aspects of America. Soul Music, a Microphone Checker, American Dance Rhythms… He just HAPPENED to be Jamaican, but he wasn’t even raised there! Lmao We African Americans propelled the culture before it even touched ground in Jamaica. WE had to make it an art form. Just like Jazz lol.
What he's saying is the elements of "hip-hop" at it's root derived from dancehall music. The same thing happened in the UK with grime. It was there 8n 8natrumental form but the elevation of the genre was when people started talking & then rapping over beats. That derives from dancehall. Before dancehall it was jazz and rock. They weren't talking over beats.
I think he meant that Kool Herc incorporated elements from his cultural background into hip-hop. I don't think he was giving him credit for inventing the genre as a whole.
Jesus. Where did he say Jamaicans invented hip hop?What's wrong with you? Even if CH was here very young what you really think he never heard an Eek a mouse track or never expirience the dancehal scene?
@@Peopleofthesun386 Actually it is, in 2020 during the election campaign when the Ados/FBA movement began trying to separate our lineage from the rest of the diaspora to make the push for reparations for slavery everyone now is trying to hack away at our legacy to erase or at least minimize our role and contributions to the development of the nation.
@@dontayewhittaker5687 How and who? How about some actual quotes some data something that proves anything you stated. Reparations is a far more complex topic than you think
@@CristanioPeweyyy Jamaicans are black by race....But they're not FBA Foundational Black Americans...Antebellum slave lineage. This is about FBA separating ourselves from other nationalities and cultures.
@@bighuncho5210 oh that's interesting..we've been telling Jamaicans they were black for decades but they called us Yankees , and said they weren't black. Same with Africans...they weren't black, they were Igbo or something and we were akatas. Everyone wants to separate or distinguish themselves apart from us, Now everybody wanna be black when it's something black Americans made and its a hit and super successful.. interesting how that works
Black Americans created every element of hip hop and damn near every genre in music anything and anybody outside of that is a guest, students and off brands. Kool herc didn’t create anything I mean nothing Lie-tinos hand no hand in the creation of black Americans culture zero it’s all black Americans culture don’t matter the Bity. Black Americans was doing it in the 18 and 1900’s way before NY but like I said it’s all black American culture and creation. Black Americans are the creators, influence, trendsetters and 100% the culture black Americans transcend the world just pay homage to black Americans don’t lie and tryna rewrite history. We all a guest in somebody else culture or creation facts over feelings🤷🏾♂️
That’s not what Caz said. Caz said to Vlad that Hispanics were not there in the beginning and that most of them didn’t like black music or black people
Hip Hop origins comes from Soul and Funk sounds from the south, how does a Puerto Rican or Jamaican have anything to do with that. Salsa and Reggae do not have any similarities. Were they around? Yeah but Hip Hop was created by Foundational Black Americans.
Not the music but certain elements in the dancing? Yes. Rap music is totally Black americans. 1000%!! but early days of hip hop wasn't rap music. Toprocking is the stand up part of Breakin (Breakdancing), go watch some top rock vids you cant tell me some salsa dancing didnt influence that.
2 PUERTO RICAN PIONEERS in Hiphop prove VLAD IS A LIAR. Please look for recent interviews of WHIPPER WHIP AND RUBIE DEE. They prove BY THEIR OWN WORD that Puerto Ricans were NOT involved with Hiphop and IN FACT ...THEY HATED Hiphop CULTURE in the beginning.
FBA’s created hip-hop. All these other cultures have been trying so hard lately to take that away from us. Just cause they were around, doesn’t mean they helped to invent it.
Nobody is trying to take anything from anybody. It's only bozos like you that believe your skin color automatically qualifies you to claim hip hop even though you personally didn't contribute anything to hip Hop, whatsoever. If you didn't contribute to hip Hop flourishing, then you can't claim anything.
Bro we’re you there? Ask an actual 50+ from the south Bronx. You Tariq Nasheed FBA babies are annoying and factually inaccurate. The hoods on the east cast have always been a melting pot
Not what I’ve seen. Look up all the videos of black american OG’s clarifying this for the last few years and even more now since Fat Joe has said what he’s said. Tariq Nasheed videos and documentaries the whole nine
The whole DJ Kool Herc inventing Hip Hop is misconstrued Kool Herc says he wasnt a part of Dancehall culture in Jamaica because he was still a boy when he moved to America...he wasnt at parties in Jamaica He says that the music he *DID* listen to in Jamaica was actually American Soul, Funk and RB He says that when he arrived to America he was taken by 5%er Bronx street gangs and schooled on Bronx culture and African-American heritage DJ Francis Grasso was doing breakbeat music in downtown Manhattan clubs years before Kool Herc ever touched DJ equipment
We're talking about those who went outside, set up the equipment and organized this thing we call Hip-Hiop.. And Kool Herc is definitely one (leader) amongst those pioneers.. and I'm Black American.. But get off that clown ass grift dudes argument FBA.. smh.. The reparations conversation he stole from ADOS.. No honor amongst that thief... Kool Herc is still black.. I'm only banging for lineage when it comes to reparations Nothing Else..
It doesn’t matter who did it first.. Dj kool here created the merry go round style of Djing and started a movement that was bigger than him so he get the credit of being called ‘the father of hip hop’.. and all three kings of hip hop are from the Caribbean (Native Black European) not only from Africa..
Who inspired black artists to get full body tattoos, face tattoos, head tattoos etc. ? “Tatted like a ese” . Hispanics BEEN inspiring the black community
rap was a thing in cultures before America existed. I dont know why America thinks the world works around them. Let guess, Americans created music too 😂😂.
FBA created this genre of music and there was a time when it was really looked down upon and now it is very profitable and has garnered much influence so much that other people would like to lay claim to the creation of it.
Foundational Black Americans are not Africans. We’re hybrids because we also have white blood. So to ignore our linage and call us an African is totally disrespectful
Bruhhh being around isn't the same as created, bro black people were around America when it was first starting with the colonies but none of us are claiming to have made this shit, for sure we made some things but we didn't create this thing lmao
Puerto Ricans were a part of the creation tho. They're probably the only other group that can claim some credit. Specifically when it comes to graffiti and breakdancing. Ppl think Hip Hop is just rapping but it's a culture with multiple elements.
It’s only been within the last 10 to 15 years that I heard that black and brown people discovered, or invented hip-hop. That narrative is fairly new to me! I am a 70s and 80s baby and I always understood that hip-hop was invented by African-Americans in the Bronx section of New York City. There are groups of Latinos that have African descent. However, I think in all fairness that we should look at them as being their own group of people. I don’t think it’s fair to diminish the art form that black Americans invented by saying that other people helped them do it.
I’m from the East Coast and the only time I hear a Jamaican influence in hip hop is when there a Jamaican artist being featured…in fact the first time you heard any semblance of patois was when KRS-One rapped
My problem is why does it have to be a mixture or gumbo for it to become a beautiful thing. It's beautiful because foundational black Americans created and perfected it.
There's an Afro Latino actor named LaZ Alonso. He explained it best. Saying he's a Black man. It's not important where the slave boat docked once the slaves were captured. The point is the African slaves were kidnapped from Africa. The point of origin is Africa. Just except that. Music no matter what race but specifically for black and brown people. Has been a way for us to cope with oppression and speak out against oppression. Let focus on what we have in common, which is our African blood line and love for music.
Latin America and America had different associations with Africans and Native Americans In Latin America the Spanish would legally under Spanish Law intermix with their slaves and conquered Native American woman Their offspring had legal rights, and sometimes would have slaves of their own even though they looked Black themselves And lets be honest, Spanish women had nothing on beautiful exotic African and Native American women so who could blame these horny fucks for intermarrying? Eventually these mixed people led revolutions and founded their OWN countries like Mexico, Dominican Republic, Colombia etc But in America it was different, the British KILLED OFF Native Americans in Holocaust-style events...and their slaves had zero rights, they would even sell their mixed children as slaves When emancipation came these Freed Blacks didnt have their own country, they were still under White hegemony and power Hope this clears things up a little on why Blacks and Hispanics have common ancestry but completely different cultures and family values
No no no no, foundational black Americans are not from Africa , we where already here in America , only 3 percent of enslaved Africans made it to north America, most Africans are in Brazil and further more these Africans in the carribean and Latin America look at themselves as dark skin Brits and Hispanics, foundational black Americans are the only unique ethnic group that fights against white supremacists oppression and we create all these music genre here in America , gospel , blues , rock , jazz , r&b , & hip-hop/rap , pay homage and respect to foundational black Americans 🖤
real niggas 💯 know Jamaicans and Latinos been involved from the gate bay area we all get along Asians is also been there break dancing since 80s huge respect for them too
I don’t know if Latinos helped start rap but they were definitely part of the hip hop scene from the very beginning. Breakdancing and graffiti artists were mostly Puerto Ricans and on the west coast hip hop scene the Mexicans were the ones who brought in the low riding and much of the clothing style.
No latinos created shit in hip hop definitely not no damn mexicans.. they did not invent low riding, and we definitely do not dress like no damn mexicans..you people are delusional..
It doesn't matter, they were around. They helped influence. I don't care if they invented anything, to say they weren't apart of and help create it is just a false narrative.
"Our world is not divided by race, color, gender or religion. Our world is divided by wise people and fools. And fools divide themselves by race, color, gender and religion." Nelson Mandela
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Dark skin puerto rica - “I’m not black I’m Puerto Rican Brown skin Latino - “I’m not black I’m white” Light skin Hispanic - “I’m not Latino I’m white” Hispanics - we created hip hop with the black people 😒
You it’s a 1000% wrong!!! Foundational Black Americans birthed Jamaicans musically. Latinos created NOTHING in hip hop. We have all the receipts. You can start with Michael Wayne Tv is you like
2 PUERTO RICAN PIONEERS in Hiphop prove VLAD IS A LIAR. Please look for recent interviews of WHIPPER WHIP AND RUBIE DEE. They prove BY THEIR OWN WORD that Puerto Ricans were NOT involved with Hiphop and IN FACT ...THEY HATED Hiphop CULTURE in the beginning.
Average Joe ..TRUE !...dont black africans in the United States say that THEY built America ?!?....well, taking Credit for what SOMEONE ELSE did can go in so many ways, hum?
A city like NYC has been a melting pot on a very deep level, especially among Blacks and Latinos. Some people online are either just weird or trolls. KRS-One for instance is Jamaican parents, Slick Rick and many more early artists I’m sure I haven’t named had Caribbean origins. The Puerto Ricans are also obvious, they were breakdancers. Among Latinos Dominicans/Puerto Ricans have some claim to Hip Hop, also Afro Latinos but at the end of the day, if you’re not Black it’s all about respect.
Not true!!! The PRs who were there tell you different. They said they caught hell from other PRs for participating in so called Black music. Grandmasta Caz said himself. Did no PRs get off a boat wanting to listen to James Brown
Why do people repeat that lie that America is a melting pot? Black Americans, Latinos and whites each had gangs and were at war with eachother. They couldn't even travel through eachothers neighborhoods without getting jumped. Does that sound like a melting pot to you? Caribbeans and Latinos have no claim to hip hop. They came later and didn't invent breaking or graffiti. Both groups joined what Black Americans created and now both groups are claiming they invented it.
Hip Hop lingo was greatly influenced by the Jazz era. Jazz slang such as Funky, Fresh, fly, Dope, Hip, The Bomb, Ballin', Boogie, Cool, Chill, Crib, Down by law, Jam, etc were adopted by Hip Hop. Moreover, the break beats and soundscape of Hip Hop were greatly influenced by James Brown and his band.
This whole argument is toxic and misleading. In the late 70s in New York, you had Jamaicans, Black Americans with strong Southern Roots, Puerto Ricans (kids) not grown ups all mixing and blending energies to eventually create Hip Hop. Dear FBA people, there was no back room meeting to create hip hop. Just because the latinos weren't rapping and were (around ) doesn't mean there isn't influence. Jazz and reggae are cousins. Dancehall is a fusion of funk and disco with african drums lol. The point is, its us and the sad part is we don't even own it
James Brown started rap, alongside Marvin Gaye, Gill Scott Heron, etc. the real myth is that it started in NY in 1979. Rap stems from Spoken Word, Jazz, and Blues which Black Americans created. No one was there until 1979.
Rap and Hip Hop are not synonymous. Rap is just an activity that is done within the hip-hop culture. Ppl have been rapping and doing poetry since the beginning of time, but the culture of Hip Hop started in 70's Bronx NY.
It's true Puerto ricans in NYC are from the south Bronx. If you look back in the really early hip hop photos/videos/movies you can see them right there in the 70s and 80s. They were mostly graffiti artists and dancers, not really mcs or djs in the early eras. That's why in NYC you see alot of blacks and Puerto rican women together, because they live around the same neighborhoods. The unfortunate part is they're so intermingled with black people that alot of them drop the n-word more than black people do, but if you use a hispanic slur they get upset.
There's A LOT of people trying talk about stuff that they wasn't even THERE FOR. I'm FROM BROOKLYN, CARIBBEAN, and I can tell you RIGHT NOW the Caribbean influence on Hip-Hop in the 70s AND EVEN MORE SO in the 80's was HUGE. It's probably bigger than what is typically known because a lot of cats would hide their accent. Have these fools even BEEN to Brooklyn? Hell, even Queens got a MASSIVE Caribbean footprint. To be clear, Hip-Hop is the only black music form that was majorly started by African-Americans but that had HEAVY influence from Blacks from the Caribbean and the peripheral presence of the Latino community, particularly Puerto Ricans. The reason this is a controversy now is because their is a huge rise in "Black American Exceptionalism" that got cats tryna rewrite history and they ain't even from NY OR from the time period. Man, I WAS THERE.
@@DiamonBck not it is not. The basis for hip hop is funk and soul music as well as breakbeats from every genre. Before rapping, rap could be found in the works of Pigmest Markem, Jocko Henderson, Gary Byrd and the GB experience & Lightin Rod from the Last Poets with The Hustlers Convention. Reggae on the flip comes directly from black American music. So, other than Kool Herc playing breakbeats in the Bronx AFTER the guys in Bronxdale had already begun to do so, what exactly did Jamaicans contribute to the creation of Hip-Hop music and culture??? Also, back in the late sixties and early seventies, black Americans were absolutely not fucking with reggae. White Americans yes but black Americans, definitely not.
@@mfknrmxthebangmessiah6012 as long we can confirm hip hop was not an influence of reggae, as you did in your argument, we’re fine. We are speaking Art forms and not persons. Reggae’s influenced early on was much greater and was an Afrocentric movement worldwide, s ameri, Africa, reggaeton etc. The riddim, the flow, seeelllllectaa, the mixing, all was done prior to hip hop immersion. Reggae’s art form is an organic sound, the beat of your heart, the sound you heard when you was in your mummy tummy, mummy heart. Hip hop, sub form, more a divergence, an expression of the artist in the inner cities of ny. And hip hop may be the most creative art form, opinion. How could they’ve not heard of reggae? When worldwide, everyone was?
I'm Jamaican born and raised, To say KH created or invented Hip Hop would be a flat out lie. What I think is that he infused the Dancehall "culture" (not the music) Because within the "Dancehall" venues they would play Disco, Jazz, etc. In a typical dance (party) back then when Reggae music was played the DJ (selector ) would play the record and then flip it over to the instrumental where a singer and/or Deejay (chanter) would "freestyle". And to say KH was too young at the time. I was going to dancehalls when I was 8 years old * I'm using parentheses because what I noticed is that when explaining this same subject to younger Jamaicans and of age Americans ,our cultures is very similar but the definition of some words and terms are different so the points made are lost in translation
Your timeline is off because what about rock steady and the remixing of hymns song that we do. Because Americans sang before hip hop and we rhymed, also rode the bass for the beginning of our existence. So that’s wrong it’s not because of jazz or disco. We do it in church and that been around longer.
@@anthonybalfour914 I mentioned Jazz and Disco because it was the breaks in those records that was looped ( in America) that birthed Rapping. Mind you Black people was Chanting (story telling) acapella long b4 this time
No such thing as dancehall back then. Not to mention, the Jamaican sound system and parties came from Black Americans in the south. Sorry but we are the root to it all. Not Jamaicans. They had absolutely no influence on hip hop. Pigmeat markham “here comes the judge” 1968 That ends the story because you cannot produce anything that sounds like that from Jamaica
This guy is a master of taking things out of Context. The lies stop here. We are saying that Black Americans created Hip Hop. They are saying that Puerto Ricans contributed. Then fat Joe says 50/50 and That’s a lie. If Puerto Ricans created 50% of Hip Hop than tell me what they contributed half of Hip Hop? Busta Rhymes says “ Black Americans have no Culture” and then we say “ Hold up” isn’t Hip Hop Black American Culture? Then the lie began. “ Jamaicans created Hip Hop, the biggest lie of all. Herc Played predominantly African-American music to a predominant African-American audience. All the elements of hip-hop are African-American born. I credit Herc for amalgamating into our culture here and becoming a pioneer in helping to bring those elements already formulated by African-Americans together by throwing huge parties. What’s actually weird is people assimilating into African-American culture, doing so well and then turning around and saying they created the very culture they had to assimilate to. Trying to Rape, Rob and Pillage another peoples Culture is actually some Weirdo Jive and pathetic. Jamaicans have their culture in Jamaica and it’s nothing like ours. That’s a beautiful thing. They can keep their Culture and we are Good. Black Americans love Herc because he is one of our people. All the rest of these mindless minions talking that weirdo “ They created Hip Hop crap, we shutting that noise down all day family. Real talk.
@@designatedpiledriver8216 you guys keep saying that and when asked to provide proof, you can't. Niggas were rapping in the 30s in America. American black dudes were break dancing in the 50s. Even Hispanica will tell that Hispanocs not only weren't fuckin with hip hip, they dissed it amd talked ahit about it. They weren't there.
Aries is really smart and all his interviews are pretty good... Some of you people need to get out of yall feelings and understand hes a comedian...And as far as that fat chick he dissed not too long ago..truth be told many of us were thinking some of what he said
@@freespiritedaquarius913 I agree. Having an opinion does not make you smart. With that said my opinion of him is that hes a smart successful comedian.
It was specifically *Caribbean Latinos* who were part of Hip Hop's creation. Once you make that specifier, it's far more accurate and should be less of an issue. NYC at that time was mostly Puerto Ricans and you had some Cubans and Dominicans.
Name me the latino's that helped create rap music. I have asked every person who have claimed latinos helped created rap music asn have yet to find any names. And if you are claiming Prince Whipper Whip - he Is an AFRO latino.
The issue is, a majority of the current crop of Black Americans into Hip Hop DON'T KNOW Hip Hop... or the early days at least. Latinos, Puerto Ricans specifically, were there in the early days. And the basis of the party style in the beginning was based of a few things, the Jamaican influence being one. All the folks getting angry just don't know.
They came after it was already created…Type In Jubilares 1940’s. Clearly an elder version of hip hop which is strictly a Foundational Black American Art Form….
Of course you were around copying our style. Nobody’s saying that wasn’t true! We’re just being honest that y’all got it from us! If y’all ain’t there there’s no difference except less culture vultures around.
@@donjuanbanks4552 Bro African come from Africa and Latinos come from they country’s to our and literally try to tell us who we are and what we don’t know these people have 0 respect for us yet we respect and embrace them
Puerto Ricans only settled in Chicago and NYC during the 19th century. There wasn’t a lot of Latinos during this time. Black Americans and Puerto Ricans are not the same. Black Americans been here longer, Puerto Ricans were just dropped off in our historical communities since the 19th century but we are not the same nor share the same culture outside of Chicago and NYC. So stop saying we are the same when we are not 💯
Ricans were involved in Hip Hop going back to 1973 when Kool Herc put on a beat and Ricans started breaking and Herc himself was Jamaican....Thats literally the foundation of Hip Hop!!!
@@bmillersince92 I encourage you not to be this ignorant. DJ Kool Herc was the pioneer in cutting records. He was a Jamaican living in the Bronx. Him cutting records in the late seventies is the origin of hip Hop. Also U-Roy was "toasting" in the '70s. Rapping is the evolution of toasting. Things have to be put in its proper context. The origins of hip Hop was started by Jamaicans living in NYC. When Russell Simmons used to throw block parties it was the sound systems from Jamaicans he used to borrow. Things have to be put in its proper context to avoid ignorant statements like this. To make things were a huge part of the origins of hip Hop. That's why dancehall and hip Hop are so closely intertwined with each other. I encourage you to do your research before just coming on UA-cam and saying nonsense like this
@@CristanioPeweyyy I agree with you for the most part. But if we're being perfectly honest it was Jamaicans in New York City blending American sounds with their culture. So we can't credit One without the other. Both cultures were the parents of hip Hop
Bro he literally brought the Jamaican sound system culture to the Bronx with the first hip hop jams, and most of the early breakers and graffiti artist were Rican stop it
@@jayjones251 hip hop is from nyc. Hiphop was not made by a one race. Come to the projects out here its all folks mainly blacks latinos carribeans arabs etc. Hip hop was marketed by jews who sold it as a black thing to entice and sell it to white suburban audience, they did not think latino rappers were cool enough or edgy to white kids who were going to be the main money maker. Thats actually why you thonk hiphop was started with nothing but black folks. But the reality is, the dance of hiphop was mainly latinos doing it and creating the moves, graffitti had many writers who were black white latino etc mixed and writers were always on that. Djing, Kool Herc is Jamaican, you arent writting out Carribean folks thst includes Puertp Ricans too. If you not from out here please do not speak cuz yall know what was shown to you not what is actually going on.
@rachethippyproductions then how come there aren't Jamaican or Puerto Rican cultural elements. Why is everything about hip-hop dominated by black american culture?
I'm over 50 now..I was around at the beginning of hip hop. I remember Puerto Rican and black kids did graffiti and break danced together and had different crews. Yeah I didn't see alot of Puerto Rican rappers but that doesn't mean there was none. I danced in battles and there were Puerto Rican and blacks and sprinkles of hood white kids there. Blacks I can't breakdown cause Haitian, Jamaican, Dominican all look alike. Some of the dopest graffiti writers and mixers were Puerto rican. I saw it for myself. ( Brooklyn, Brownsville)
THEY were only doing what they already saw happening, DOESN'T MEAN they invented it!! If it was the other way around latinos would NEVER MENTION BLACKS!
@@B3boski SEEN is Italian. LEE Quinones is probably the greatest Puerto Rican graff artist. By the way, if you're a graff fan, check out the Killa Kela podcast here on UA-cam. He recently interviewed SEEN's fellow United Artists crew member DUSTER, as well as LEE's fellow Fabulous 5 crew member SLAVE.
@@superdupeninja8149 Never said they weren’t involved. Lil Wayne and The Game was INVOLVED with the assassination of Osama Ben laden. But I wouldn’t say they assassinated him. Not saying you specifically, but the headlines have been that Jamaicans and Puerto Ricans STARTED Hiphop. Puerto Ricans used to get shit from their own people just for hanging around blacks back in the day. Yeah maybe some of them helped but to say they started it is a reach. I be damn if I give credit for Hiphop to a group of people who always looked down on it. We are the only race who have ALWAYS supported Hiphop. From start to finish. And if you understood history so well then you would know that this is how narratives and history gets changed. But like I said, it’s not like we own it anyway. So who cares… somehow the group we should be upset at manages to slip by unchecked every time…
@@WillOnCode If all these other groups cared so much about Hiphop why haven’t they been taken some credit for it. Why now? Is it because it’s one of, if not the most profitable genres on the planet. For the most part, unanimously across the board, black Americans love Hiphop. We may not be able to agree on a lot but we definitely agree on our love for Hiphop. The same can not be said about those other groups.
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Cool Herc did not invent hip hop,
He brought an element.
They say he through the first hip hop parties, but it wasn't even called hip hop until other elements came into play.
He wasn't rapping ,scratching, break dancing, and doing graffiti
Yes, he is foundational, but he is Just one of the cornerstones. Respect to him and the other legendary foundational members.
@@untouchableMCs Kool herc invented the “Merry Go Round “ which helped create hip hop culture
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@@BoricuaNyc Right.
Vlad asks a comedian this question. This is how much of a snake Vlad is.
DJ Toasting and use of two turntables were first done by Black American DJ's. FBA DJ's Grandmaster Flowers, Pete “DJ” Jones and Disco King Mario are actually the founding fathers of Hip Hop. The Beat Break was created by Pete DJ Jones. Dj scratching was created by Grand Wizard Theodore. Mixing and blending was created by Cool DJ Dee. They are all Black Americans. FBA Disco King Mario was a pioneer of Hip Hop. By 1971 he was a prominent DJ of the Bronx. He lived in the Bronxdale projects where his parties made him well known locally. Bambaataa started out as an ASSISTANT to Mario.
I am a black American, and I must say black and Latino culture is not the same. We are not the same
Be more specific black is vague
It was "more specific", ya can't be more specific than "Black American". Are u paying attention?
The Black American culture includes Juneteenth, the quilting tradition, jumping the broom, HBCU's, soul food, various dances, inventions, ingenuity, family reunions and AAVE. We created top music genres such as the Blues, Rock & Roll, Gospel, Country, Jazz, R&B, and Hip Hop.
Preach!
And trap and drill
@@claudiakramer4516Trap music was invented by Jamaican born NY producer Mantronix
Jazz came from Haitian slaves congregating and playing music in Congo Square every Sunday during French Louisiana rule in New Orleans
@@sahulianhooligan7046 Boy stop the cap
This right here is the problem with most of the younger generation not caring about the roots and history of Hip Hop…they’re not aware of some of the pioneers so they start erasing peoples contributions
What contributions?
You immigrants are the ones erasing black Americans from their own culture with lies and myths.
@@joechurch78 dude do you even know who Kool Herc is? Dude basically created hip hop, and he’s from Jamaica. So how in the heck can someone be mad that Jamaicans are saying they created hip hop when Herc is Jamaican. I’m a b-boy for life, so they can’t fool me with these lies they are trying to tell.
@@SKOTxFREE dude didn’t create anything. He was given create for decades and people are correcting the lie.
Mexicans showed african americans marijuana thus inspired blacks to create jazz music💯😭
Aries is extremely smart if you get out of your feelings and hear his words
A child predator too!!
Not smart enough to not do those 2 sketches though
I agree he’s one of them guys that tells the truth a lot of people may disagree 💯👏🏾
@Thatguy Ain’t too many motherfuckers walking this earth that don’t have something incredibly stupid that they have no justification for taking part of in hindsight... 🤷🏾♂️
@@thelegendthatischels I mean OF and all is out I'm guessing they thought anything goes. We got 14 year old sons going to jail for child support for teachers who graped them lmao. We go the purge law passed for chicago where everyone can do what they want short of murder and cops cant come help.... so....
Vlad is missing a whole lot on this topic..This whole thing started with bustah rhymes saying jamaicans started hiphop and americans have no culture and we got fat joe saying latinos started it 50/50. Its not about americans being mad its about getting the facts straight. Which needs to be done because for some reason everyone takes from black american music and then try to ignore us like it was never ours. And here we go woth hiphop.
If you believe america has no culture you’re just too far behind and uninformed if you dont know black Americans started most of the musical genres here on america. As far as jamaicans even raeggae music was a spinoff of jazz music and they got the talking on the mic thing from american djs.
Now back to hiphop. Kool herc admitted americans wouldnt vibe to anything jamaican back thing and he couldnt play any jamaican music. Sound systems were already in America because we were already using them for block partie, looping samples wasnt anything new because disco djs were already doing that but kool herc played toward a street crowd while disco was inside of dance clubs. And the loops being played were all funk and soul records( american music). Thats all herc did. (No graffiti, didnt rap, didnt dance but we attribute the whole thing being started by jamaica??? Really). Mind you he was a little child when he came to america.
Other latinos have already come out and said it wasnt 50/50 at first. There were a few sprinkled in but they were looked at as traitors because hispanics and blacls werent getting along like that in the bx at the time and they called black music(jungle music)
This isnt about americans being mad its about Americans finally standing up and not allowing ppl to erase them out of their own culture. Everybody has joined in on what black americans started taken from it, even made spinoffs of it just to turn around and act like black americans have no culture. Yhe anger is the other way around. Everybody is mad black americans are finally defending themselves
EXACTLY.
Vlad does all that police ass “ homework “ he knows. He also knows who started this debate, because he just mentioned the mans name in a Dj Akadimiks interview. Vlad switched up the whole principle of the question
Kool Herc moved to the States at 11. That’s really late, if you know you know. The man credited with inventing the earliest form of “hip hop” is Kool Herc. The man is Jamaican. That is relevant. Hip Hop is an amalgamation of Caribbean sound system culture and various pockets of black American culture. Nonetheless it is an American product because it was invented in America. Don’t get on the victim ting tho dawg cuz we all know the history of what every non black diasporas American has gone through dealing with black Americans since we migrated here in mass. Be a little careful with your victim narrative “finally defending ourselves” verbiage, otherwise you are correct but don’t pretend Hip Hop exists without influence from Jamaican culture. I’m Haitian I have no skin in the game but facts are facts. If you understand NY city, or multicultural cities at all, you’ll understand that it’s impossible to attribute much of anything to one group of people. It’s called a melting pot for a reason.
Nothing is stolen, we give it away. We gave away jazz, we gave away rock and roll. They tried to take RNB but they just couldn't, black people are just the best singers period. But we are definitely giving away rap, Jack Harlow is a rapper? Doja cat is a rapper? Gtfoh😡
You are wrong about so many things here Jamaicans invented the sound system it made its way to New York after that…we didn’t get talking on mics form American djs either in fact it was the other way around Americans got it from us. The big records at the time would have the song on one side of the disc and the instrumental on the other . Jamaicans started “toasting” over the instrumental which gave birth to rap and dancehall. Toasting itself had it roots in Africa and finally Reggae is not a spin off of jazz it evolved from ska.
Nah… they’re with us when it’s cool, but they bounce when it’s dangerous.
I’m Haitian, 2nd Gen born in the US, and Hip Hop is CLEARLY AFRICAN AMERICAN FIRST
The Caribbeans didn’t create the pizza… they added toppings💯
All facts 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
What, bruh keep that gen Z philosophy to urself. 😂😂😂😂
Lol you must live in the midwest or the middle of nowhere cuz down here latinos go harder than blacks.
Not Caribbeans. Jamaicans. You wasn’t even thought of yet on top of probably being a mistake. Keep ya opinion to your self
The Spaniards killed and enslaved the natives on their own land, same way it happened in the US. Haiti/DR, Jamaica, Puerto Rico, Cuba, ETC. All our ancestors went through the same shit. We lost our true culture long ago and now these cultures we had to take on are just a symbol of their dominance over our ancestors. We're stronger unified, not separated, and that's how Hip-Hop came to be.
Im latino but black people created hip-hop period and i feel they have the biggest claim to it💯
My dude,.. Hop-Hop is form in many elements within the culture. Graffiti and Bboying was predominantly Latino … the Latino DJ’s in Chicago in house music led the bboy movement and its foundation. Same with the Puerto Ricans in NYC. Who the fck you think was bombing train stations, under ground battles, peace books publishing, etc ? Latinos, son…
My brothers were DJ’s in Chicago in the 80s, when it was all going down.
In L.A the dickies, low riders, bboying, and tagging was an element to Hip-Hop … why do you think our Black-Americans in Cali drove Impalas and wore Dickies in their music videos? Who do you think was it’s influence?
And lastly, my dude,.. I was there to witness … chicity right here
*********It was Black-Americans and Latin-Americans. Those are facts … might want to buy history of bboying and graffiti on eBay.
Ya tu sabes
Foundational Black Americans have the only claim to Hip Hop. Everyone else's claims are built on lies and myths.
@@hushg2000 These are all lies you're speaking here.
@@hushg2000 Bull! Stop it
Graffiti wad created by black Americans......
House was created by black Americans out of Chicago. Lol
In LA low riders was started by black Americans.
“When the cops put the gun in your face wait what are you?” That line went over a lot of people’s head.
It went under my feet because wtf does that have to do with being a culture vulture?
Right😂😂
It definitely will and to prove your point take a look at the comments 😭😭
@@maxwellbrisk5622 cuz when cops see me(im cuban) they wont go "oh hes latino" they gon call me a n word cuz im dark skin and got dreads
@@anatorres-ym8ke What does that have to do with black immigrants claiming foundation black americans creations? Can anyone give a clear answer without deflecting to out of context nonsense?
there is a difference between creating something and just being around watching while others create.
Facts
Exactly
Vlad has no clue
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Spanish and black gangs created hip hop tho 🤦🏾♂️
Being around doesn’t mean you created something 😂,I’m South African,I love hip hop,Black Americans created it,that’s something we can never take away from them,otherwise they’d be evidence of it being created elsewhere by others
Facts
BEING AROUND IS DIFFERENT THAN SAYING THEY HELPED US CREATE IT! STOP WITH THE DISHONESTY!!!
They can't claim as of now so they attempt to latch on. Clearly it is a movement evolving who's goal is to make people think hip hop would not have made it to where it is without Latinos.
Right
What's the dishonesty??
If it was influenced by it then it helped create it. same thing
dudes be emotional and in their feelings about things they have ZERO ownership over and don't make money off of 👀🤦🏿♂️.....and if by chance any funds are/have been made, it's CRUMBS smh 🙄😒
"One is adobo and one is Lawrys". I spit my lunch all over my table when he said that LMFAO
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Meaning we different that joke was horrible
Lol that was as basic as a joke gets
What were u eating
@@jumpingonoffthejet9377 Naw that shit was funny you buggin. Perfect way of saying we different but the same
Hip hop is a black American creation….. This is insane that this is even a discussion
Mexicans showed african americans marijuana thus inspired blacks to create jazz music💯😭
Nope it's influence by Jamaican dancehall music
It was created by a Jamaican man
@@X.D.-2001-4L troll
😂😂😂 There was no such thing as Dancehall when hip hop was created fool. We literally birthed Jamaicans musically. Pigmeat markham “here comes the judge” 1968, show me anything out of Jamaica that sounds like that I’m the 60s??? In fact, Jamaica didn’t even get a recording studio until 1961 and the first signed act was an AMERICAN 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 FOH
Vlad is lying. Caz told Vlad Puerto Ricans were not there at the beginning. Caz said Puerto Ricans got into hip hop later on
Right….
Officer Vlad is lying? I am shocked. Truly shocked!
Vlad knows that. He is trying to start a beef
Caz clarified that statement a week ago
Question is what does "later" mean according to him?
Hip-hop was NOT started by Jamaicans or any other foreigner. Hip-hop is Black American music, point blank period.
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One Jamaican does not make iT the whole country, the other thing Jamaican Dance Hall and music before Reggae was influenced by African American SUBPOP culture.
@@mykdebradley3586 Facts!
💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿FBA ALL DAY
Bullshit !!!
Flyting in 15th- and 16th-century Scotland is analogous to a modern-day rap competition during which rappers improvise clever disses and put-downs against their opponents. Similarly, the makars (a Scottish word for "poets") engaged in verbal duels in which they voiced extravagant invectives in verse against their rivals. The base of flyting is the ancient verb flyte (also spelled flite), meaning "to contend" or "to quarrel
Cool herc did not invent nothing. We need to stop that lie. He's a DJ how, could he create breakdancing graffiti and rapping. He only gets props for throwing the best hip hop parties in the Bronx. But he threw a party for something that was already there. We need to kill that lie.
Then he was a 12 year old boy when he moved here. Everything he learned he got from Foundational Black Americans
You learned about hip hop culture by hearing the characters on Good Times rhyme.
Correct my brother jeff at 67 seven now from clay ave in the bronx . Herc came and saw hip hop already started he just addded the non vocal part of the record to the game. Back then he said grand master flash was king not kool herc. Some people believe sugar hill gang started rap.
There was nothing called hip hop when Herc was throwing his parties. He was the 1st Dj with an Emcee (Before that Djs did their own mic work). Early Emceeing was about using rhymes to hype up the crowd, not about writing songs, which came later with Melly Melle. Herc was also the first Dj to play only break down sections for dancers to dance. Other Djs at the time ,like Disco King Mario played songs and when the break down part came the dancers would come out and start dancing, but Herc didn't play the entire song he played breaks only.
Fba used to say we don’t wanna hear that hippity hoppity bs
There is a lot of racism in latin culture
@@tys1646 👍👍
Yea because black people aren't racist either hahaha
Yeah, but Fat Joe usually doesn't have continuous debates and discussions surrounding that and how to resolve it.
Alot
I hate when mfs forget it’s a lot of Latinos that don’t like black people still don’t
Rap really started with...
Here Comes The Judge - Pigmeat Markham (1968)
Watch the video.
He was born in Durham, NC in 1904. He died in Bronx, NY in 1981. It is no coincidence he was living in the Bronx, when it started in the Bronx.
SOMEONE BIT HIS STYLE!
Thank you...your absolutely right 👍
Run up the likes on this comment people!! Speaking facts.
“Rap” not hiphop
“hiphop” is a culture it’s not just rapping and hiphop music is a culmination of different genres as is reggae these arguments are fruitless
@@TONEYVISIONENTERTAINMENT without rap there is no hip hop. Black Americans started it. Just like we started. Blues, county, jazz, rock and roll, gospel, and r&b.
Theres no argument about what black Americans started but to pretend like other nationalities didn’t aid in the development of hiphop is silly Europeans “started” America but “black” people made contributions hence you referring to said people as “Black Americans”
If u aint from NYC your opinion is invalid. Thats all you had in the BX back then. Blacks and Puerto Ricans. No other Spanish race. No Dominicans, Mexicans, South Americans.
Hispanics don’t care about hip hop. It was just Puerto Ricans who helped create hip hop. Fat Joe is a boot licker for aa, but most Hispanics could careless
PUERTO RICANS population in the BRONX was 0.01 during BLACK AMERICANS HIP HOP CULTURE JAM SESSIONS. CULTURE VULTURES aren't creators. Most of the Puerto Ricans I knew were LIARS, BACKSTABBING, thieves so BLACK AMERICANS didn't jell with them like that. STOP TRYING TO CREATE SOME FALSE TOGETHERNESS beyond courtesy. Got it!
I'm not in those beans didn't create shit
@@lawrenceware6279why put us down with that derogatory word? Black people are our brothers and sisters, but people like you keep us from unity.
@@lawrenceware6279No one said they did. They were clearly there though. You a bama. You bama's don't know shit in whatever bama ass town you from. The south Bronx at the time was and still is 75% Latino. You think something as big as Hip Hop is gonna start there and no Latino is gonna be around. Stop being a ignant bama and listen to the OG's that were there tell the true story. Not some Internet SJW's trying to rewrite history.
If Black people (all of us, not just one group) was as passionate about cleaning their communities and open up black owned business as they are about which black really created a genre of music, we'd be chilling on the moon.
In addition to valuing education more.
Black people do care. Thats what the reparations movement is all about. Claiming whats owed. And culture wise same thing. Hip hop is 100% created by black americans. Whats the problem?
@@carltonbanks5470 I don't think you really took the time to read my comment. Don't embarrass us, Carlton, we all know that you're a nerd so we know you don't have any reading problems. Read it again and comment again if you want.
Exactly always discussing b******* meanwhile young black rappers are being murdered
@@ronpl8473 Now you're just typing random gibberish
Hip hop comes from black folks souls. It's been around forever. It wasn't invented it was discovered then rediscovered until people realized what they found. The person with the most DNA in this current thing we call hip hop is James Brown. Shout out to Clyde Stubblefield - The Funky Drummer - .
Right... Ig-no-grant is bliss. Always trying to reclaim something that is already in the books but when it's black crime they Run for the hills and don't want to claim anything. They can miss me with the Shenanigans.
Vlad never heard of James brown. He reads stuff on the internet and thinks he’s smart
Hip-hop comes from the souls of GHETTO PEOPLE...BOTH Black and Latino people!
No, it came from the souls and experiences of the FOUNDATIONAL BLACK AMERICAN. I don’t know about the rest of black people because they have yet to produce good music without copying us
Grandmaster Caz told him right here on vlad TV that they had no part in the creation. Vlad just twisted his words to push this narrative. And aris so ignorant he does not know what going on or how he being played
Notice how all they ever say is ‘Latinos’ were around. Tell us what exactly they created in hip hop.
That's what I'm waiting for. I mean sure they contributed with the breaking dance Bboy shit, I'll give them that.
@@snowblo1 Actually, the og breakers said that once Ricans started breakin the blacks stopped and called it played out.
@@americasmaker Interesting. And actually that's very believable.
Graffiti
Most Bboys were Puerto Rican so they definitely contributed to the dance aspects of Hip Hop
1.Busta Rhymes said our culture came from them and we don’t have a culture.. which is a lie
2.Fat joe said us and Latinos created hip hop 50/50..which is a lie
Being around vs creating something is not the same Vlad ain’t shyt frfr
Vlad seriously needs to get the boot, I see through what he's trying to do. FBA B1
What's your contribution to Hip-hop?
@@isidrosalas5088 whats yours sp!c
@@isidrosalas5088 He doesn't have to "contribute" to the culture. Hip Hop is a part of his identity. FBA don't come from Hip Hop. Hip Hop comes from FBA. It's you tethers that must pay "contributions" to be a part of our culture.
@@americasmaker lmaoo what’s with the black community nowadays?? all the hiphop founding fathers say blacks and Latinos created rap music together n y’all wanna say nah didn’t happen
They didn't help create hip hop, they latched on. Next they will say they helped create blues, jazz, and R&B.
Yeah and Joseph Jackson' believed in time out discipline.
Right!
Black ppl love inviting everybody to the cookout. No other race ever does this and that’s why we are where we are now 🗣🗣🗣at the bottom 🥱😴🤷🏾♀️
Oh, it's definitely that...
You're at the bottom, speak for yourself.
@@youreagoddamngenius9099 keep being delusional lol
Yea
@youreagoddamngenius9099 As a collective, we at the bottom.
Now, I understand why Zo Williams went upside Aries Spears' head.
Aries is a genius point blank period most of the shot he says goes over people's heads.
Vlad gotta understand that when you say Jamaicans invented something, that means you inventing something derived from the cultural facets of Jamaica.
Hip-Hop was derived from the cultural aspects of America. Soul Music, a Microphone Checker, American Dance Rhythms… He just HAPPENED to be Jamaican, but he wasn’t even raised there! Lmao We African Americans propelled the culture before it even touched ground in Jamaica. WE had to make it an art form. Just like Jazz lol.
What he's saying is the elements of "hip-hop" at it's root derived from dancehall music. The same thing happened in the UK with grime.
It was there 8n 8natrumental form but the elevation of the genre was when people started talking & then rapping over beats. That derives from dancehall. Before dancehall it was jazz and rock. They weren't talking over beats.
@@OfficialJStarr who derived from dancehall? Drake? Fuck outta here lmfao
That's not what people mean by invention, that's what you guys are trying to make up because you don't like Jamaicans.
I think he meant that Kool Herc incorporated elements from his cultural background into hip-hop. I don't think he was giving him credit for inventing the genre as a whole.
Jesus. Where did he say Jamaicans invented hip hop?What's wrong with you? Even if CH was here very young what you really think he never heard an Eek a mouse track or never expirience the dancehal scene?
Since 2020 There has been a conserted effort going on in this country to erase or at least minimize FBA/Ados contributions to this country.
Not true.
@@Peopleofthesun386 Actually it is, in 2020 during the election campaign when the Ados/FBA movement began trying to separate our lineage from the rest of the diaspora to make the push for reparations for slavery everyone now is trying to hack away at our legacy to erase or at least minimize our role and contributions to the development of the nation.
@@dontayewhittaker5687 How and who? How about some actual quotes some data something that proves anything you stated. Reparations is a far more complex topic than you think
Being around is not inventing anything. If its 10,000 blacks and 5 latinos its not even. Jamaicans got dancehall and speakers from blacks .
Jamaicans are black 😭😭.
Jamaicans was also rapping and doing dancehall YEARS before America.
Biggie was jamacian
@@CristanioPeweyyy Jamaicans are black by race....But they're not FBA Foundational Black Americans...Antebellum slave lineage. This is about FBA separating ourselves from other nationalities and cultures.
😂 people so slow. Y’all do know it’s other black races in the USA right ?
@@bighuncho5210 oh that's interesting..we've been telling Jamaicans they were black for decades but they called us Yankees , and said they weren't black. Same with Africans...they weren't black, they were Igbo or something and we were akatas. Everyone wants to separate or distinguish themselves apart from us, Now everybody wanna be black when it's something black Americans made and its a hit and super successful.. interesting how that works
Black Americans created every element of hip hop and damn near every genre in music anything and anybody outside of that is a guest, students and off brands. Kool herc didn’t create anything I mean nothing Lie-tinos hand no hand in the creation of black Americans culture zero it’s all black Americans culture don’t matter the Bity. Black Americans was doing it in the 18 and 1900’s way before NY but like I said it’s all black American culture and creation. Black Americans are the creators, influence, trendsetters and 100% the culture black Americans transcend the world just pay homage to black Americans don’t lie and tryna rewrite history. We all a guest in somebody else culture or creation facts over feelings🤷🏾♂️
Sounds like vlad watches Tariq nasheed
Not with all that misinformation
@@badseedent4827 tariq is full of misinformation
That’s not what Caz said. Caz said to
Vlad that Hispanics were not there in the beginning and that most of them didn’t like black music or black people
Hip Hop origins comes from Soul and Funk sounds from the south, how does a Puerto Rican or Jamaican have anything to do with that. Salsa and Reggae do not have any similarities. Were they around? Yeah but Hip Hop was created by Foundational Black Americans.
Not the music but certain elements in the dancing? Yes. Rap music is totally Black americans. 1000%!! but early days of hip hop wasn't rap music. Toprocking is the stand up part of Breakin (Breakdancing), go watch some top rock vids you cant tell me some salsa dancing didnt influence that.
Hip hop culture was more than just rhyming and ppl seem to not get out their feelings and understand that
@@TheShop90sKids There was Pop & Lockers before Rock Steady. Search " the lockers" or the "Jubillaires "
@@negrosuave9315 Black Americans understand every part of Hip Hop was created by us and if not name the Puerto Rican?
2 PUERTO RICAN PIONEERS in Hiphop prove VLAD IS A LIAR. Please look for recent interviews of WHIPPER WHIP AND RUBIE DEE. They prove BY THEIR OWN WORD that Puerto Ricans were NOT involved with Hiphop and IN FACT ...THEY HATED Hiphop CULTURE in the beginning.
Nobody said they wasn't around they didn't create
Boy if capitalize on a moment was a course, Vlad would be the instructor 😂
Right he knows Aries spears is on the hot seat along with folks trying to change the history of who created hip hop..🇺🇸🇺🇸
Evil genius.
@@donaldlyons180 by "changing the history" you mean "latinos" are tryingbto take credit for some shit they had nothing to do with?
don't miss the message hon, dont miss it. get out ya feelings
FBA’s created hip-hop. All these other cultures have been trying so hard lately to take that away from us. Just cause they were around, doesn’t mean they helped to invent it.
Nobody is trying to take anything from anybody. It's only bozos like you that believe your skin color automatically qualifies you to claim hip hop even though you personally didn't contribute anything to hip Hop, whatsoever. If you didn't contribute to hip Hop flourishing, then you can't claim anything.
FBA = FBI
@Tré exactly
Bro we’re you there? Ask an actual 50+ from the south Bronx. You Tariq Nasheed FBA babies are annoying and factually inaccurate. The hoods on the east cast have always been a melting pot
@Tré whos debating that?🤷🏾♂️ We know where it started. All that different city stuff is irrelevant. Stay on topic.
It's annoying thing is you actually have Jamaicans and Puerto Ricans claiming they created hip hop
Black Americans are not mad at jamaicans or latinos, please!
Not what I’ve seen. Look up all the videos of black american OG’s clarifying this for the last few years and even more now since Fat Joe has said what he’s said. Tariq Nasheed videos and documentaries the whole nine
The whole DJ Kool Herc inventing Hip Hop is misconstrued
Kool Herc says he wasnt a part of Dancehall culture in Jamaica because he was still a boy when he moved to America...he wasnt at parties in Jamaica
He says that the music he *DID* listen to in Jamaica was actually American Soul, Funk and RB
He says that when he arrived to America he was taken by 5%er Bronx street gangs and schooled on Bronx culture and African-American heritage
DJ Francis Grasso was doing breakbeat music in downtown Manhattan clubs years before Kool Herc ever touched DJ equipment
Thank you for these facts brother
We're talking about those who went outside, set up the equipment and organized this thing we call Hip-Hiop.. And Kool Herc is definitely one (leader) amongst those pioneers.. and I'm Black American.. But get off that clown ass grift dudes argument FBA.. smh.. The reparations conversation he stole from ADOS.. No honor amongst that thief... Kool Herc is still black.. I'm only banging for lineage when it comes to reparations Nothing Else..
One name: James Brown
So is breakbeat and hip hop the same or no ?
It doesn’t matter who did it first.. Dj kool here created the merry go round style of Djing and started a movement that was bigger than him so he get the credit of being called ‘the father of hip hop’.. and all three kings of hip hop are from the Caribbean (Native Black European) not only from Africa..
Who inspired black artists to get full body tattoos, face tattoos, head tattoos etc. ? “Tatted like a ese” . Hispanics BEEN inspiring the black community
Being around and creating are 2 different things..
rap was a thing in cultures before America existed. I dont know why America thinks the world works around them.
Let guess, Americans created music too 😂😂.
@@CristanioPeweyyy No it wasn't stop lying.
No you are the one reducing it to just being around. Herc did bring an aspect of the dancehall DJing to the scene.
No Jamaicans DEFINITELY helped create it. The Latinos were just around.
Mexicans showed african americans marijuana thus inspired blacks to create jazz music💯😭
FBA created this genre of music and there was a time when it was really looked down upon and now it is very profitable and has garnered much influence so much that other people would like to lay claim to the creation of it.
@@jsarp1310 Foundational Black American
@@jsarp1310 If I meant African Americans I would have written that.
Foundational Black Americans are not Africans. We’re hybrids because we also have white blood. So to ignore our linage and call us an African is totally disrespectful
Tell the truth to shame the devil.
@@anthonyjones140 Bro you starting to sound like a Dominican
Kool Herc was not the first to do parties . His parties just became popular . We been putting speakers on the block and blasting music .
Bruhhh being around isn't the same as created, bro black people were around America when it was first starting with the colonies but none of us are claiming to have made this shit, for sure we made some things but we didn't create this thing lmao
Not only where they around they helped create this culture of Hip Hop. We took shit and made it Hip Hop like Kraft werk and the Art or noise.
Right being around it doesn’t mean creation
Black people were 100% instrumental in building the colonies.
Thank you and I think that’s were the confusion in this conversation come in at
Puerto Ricans were a part of the creation tho. They're probably the only other group that can claim some credit. Specifically when it comes to graffiti and breakdancing. Ppl think Hip Hop is just rapping but it's a culture with multiple elements.
It’s only been within the last 10 to 15 years that I heard that black and brown people discovered, or invented hip-hop. That narrative is fairly new to me! I am a 70s and 80s baby and I always understood that hip-hop was invented by African-Americans in the Bronx section of New York City. There are groups of Latinos that have African descent. However, I think in all fairness that we should look at them as being their own group of people. I don’t think it’s fair to diminish the art form that black Americans invented by saying that other people helped them do it.
How is it being diminished if an aspect of dancehall was added to the culture?
Mexicans showed african americans marijuana thus inspired blacks to create jazz music💯😭
@@rickyjoe42 dancehall has no influence on hip hop
@@rickyjoe42 You got it backwards, Dancehall comes from Hip Hop.
@@americasmaker
Hahahaha. Wrong again. Reggae is the source of dancehall. Come on man.
Kool Herc threw the first documented event in August 1973. It was already going on in Bronxdale in 1971.
If you’re on the East Coast you will understand that influence of Jamaican music.
Lies
I’m from the East Coast and the only time I hear a Jamaican influence in hip hop is when there a Jamaican artist being featured…in fact the first time you heard any semblance of patois was when KRS-One rapped
@@mrexecutive you don't? Most of the best rappers in New York are from Jamaican or the carribean so it's not a lie
@@Guerrillachop they are many Jamaican dope rappers but they ain't start hip hop.
@@mrexecutive Bruh most your favorite rappers have dreads. Where do you think that came from?
Aries spears never disappoint his fans talking about Fat Joe
He's actually a disappointment
@@heartofbrowardcounty142 🤔🤔🤔
@@heartofbrowardcounty142 he's an utter disappointment. He must be bitter inside like Faizon Love.
My problem is why does it have to be a mixture or gumbo for it to become a beautiful thing. It's beautiful because foundational black Americans created and perfected it.
There's an Afro Latino actor named LaZ Alonso. He explained it best. Saying he's a Black man. It's not important where the slave boat docked once the slaves were captured. The point is the African slaves were kidnapped from Africa. The point of origin is Africa. Just except that. Music no matter what race but specifically for black and brown people. Has been a way for us to cope with oppression and speak out against oppression. Let focus on what we have in common, which is our African blood line and love for music.
Thats Far from the truth
@@ImDrunkAndHorny learn history
Latin America and America had different associations with Africans and Native Americans
In Latin America the Spanish would legally under Spanish Law intermix with their slaves and conquered Native American woman
Their offspring had legal rights, and sometimes would have slaves of their own even though they looked Black themselves
And lets be honest, Spanish women had nothing on beautiful exotic African and Native American women so who could blame these horny fucks for intermarrying?
Eventually these mixed people led revolutions and founded their OWN countries like Mexico, Dominican Republic, Colombia etc
But in America it was different, the British KILLED OFF Native Americans in Holocaust-style events...and their slaves had zero rights, they would even sell their mixed children as slaves
When emancipation came these Freed Blacks didnt have their own country, they were still under White hegemony and power
Hope this clears things up a little on why Blacks and Hispanics have common ancestry but completely different cultures and family values
No no no no, foundational black Americans are not from Africa , we where already here in America , only 3 percent of enslaved Africans made it to north America, most Africans are in Brazil and further more these Africans in the carribean and Latin America look at themselves as dark skin Brits and Hispanics, foundational black Americans are the only unique ethnic group that fights against white supremacists oppression and we create all these music genre here in America , gospel , blues , rock , jazz , r&b , & hip-hop/rap , pay homage and respect to foundational black Americans 🖤
Oh boy 🍿
real niggas 💯 know Jamaicans and Latinos been involved from the gate bay area we all get along Asians is also been there break dancing since 80s huge respect for them too
real niggas 💯 know they and other groups haven't been involved and only contributed to our culture.
I haven't heard about anybody tripping over Jamaicans and Latinos contributions to HipHop until I watched this video
I don’t know if Latinos helped start rap but they were definitely part of the hip hop scene from the very beginning. Breakdancing and graffiti artists were mostly Puerto Ricans and on the west coast hip hop scene the Mexicans were the ones who brought in the low riding and much of the clothing style.
Dude no Latinos hated hip hop from the beginning until the 80s
No latinos created shit in hip hop definitely not no damn mexicans.. they did not invent low riding, and we definitely do not dress like no damn mexicans..you people are delusional..
i think that was at the point you guys all wanted to start identifying as white
@@michaelwillerjr Black people don’t even know who brenton wood is
Dude no. Graffiti was created by Chicanos (Mexicans)
This isn't even a discussion, Latinos have been in the RAP community since day one. This just needs to stop. SERIOUSLY.
Yea right
Thats just not true. Puerto Ricans didnt even like blacks
Been in it and created it is two different things, latinos werent around like that in the 70s
Latinos didn't invent anything with regards to hip-hop. Neither did Jamaicans.
It doesn't matter, they were around. They helped influence. I don't care if they invented anything, to say they weren't apart of and help create it is just a false narrative.
When we come together we can change the world
The point is that different people from different backgrounds contributed to hip hop that's it. It wasn't a one man one country thing.
No ...the point is ONLY AMERICAN BLACKS INVENTED THE CULTURE... EVERYONE ELSE IS A PARTICIPANT OR GUEST.
@@arrellehnisrael8229 ok name the person/s that did then.
@@kulonm8439 King Mario.
@@arrellehnisrael8229 he was a dj who also contributed to the hip hop culture. while he's great at what he did,he did not invent or created.
"Our world is not divided by race, color, gender or religion. Our world is divided by wise people and fools. And fools divide themselves by race, color, gender and religion."
Nelson Mandela
But Winnie was the real one. FOH
@@joechurch78
Winnie was the real what ?
This is for you who are reading this keep going you’re doing fine no matter how slow your progress each new week is filled with tiny steps forward Be proud of yourself you got this god got you
Yup..
Amen
Thanks love. And the same to you.💕💕
Troll
Thank You, Same to You!
Dark skin puerto rica - “I’m not black I’m Puerto Rican
Brown skin Latino - “I’m not black I’m white”
Light skin Hispanic - “I’m not Latino I’m white”
Hispanics - we created hip hop with the black people 😒
Preach 💯✊🏿
*Dumb people:* Even though I didn't directly contribute to Hip-hop, my skin color qualifies me to say I did 🤭🤭🤭
Dominican/Puerto Rican 🤡 : "I no black papi" !!
@Tré native to America not born from Africa
Mexicans showed african americans marijuana thus inspired blacks to create jazz music💯😭🤦
WOW This was a big azz discussion on my block 2 days ago Having Ghanaians Jamaicans and Black Ppl On my Block💯
I’m Puerto Rican from The Bronx n I agree with spears
I can 💯 percent agree with this here...
You it’s a 1000% wrong!!! Foundational Black Americans birthed Jamaicans musically. Latinos created NOTHING in hip hop. We have all the receipts. You can start with Michael Wayne Tv is you like
2 PUERTO RICAN PIONEERS in Hiphop prove VLAD IS A LIAR. Please look for recent interviews of WHIPPER WHIP AND RUBIE DEE. They prove BY THEIR OWN WORD that Puerto Ricans were NOT involved with Hiphop and IN FACT ...THEY HATED Hiphop CULTURE in the beginning.
This is exactly how it starts lol. Just because you were “around” doesn’t mean you help create or help carry the torch.
They were around and they helped contribute to the flourishing of hip Hop.
@@isidrosalas5088 that’s what I’m saying
Around and creating are two dif things. Eff em 💯
They was doing hip hop before America even knew what it was.
Average Joe ..TRUE !...dont black africans in the United States say that THEY built America ?!?....well, taking Credit for what SOMEONE ELSE did can go in so many ways, hum?
If Latinos contributed so much, why aren't they bigger than black artist.
Vlad is like Gepeto from Pinocchio.
But Aries is armed with pair of scissors.
👈🤣
A city like NYC has been a melting pot on a very deep level, especially among Blacks and Latinos. Some people online are either just weird or trolls. KRS-One for instance is Jamaican parents, Slick Rick and many more early artists I’m sure I haven’t named had Caribbean origins. The Puerto Ricans are also obvious, they were breakdancers. Among Latinos Dominicans/Puerto Ricans have some claim to Hip Hop, also Afro Latinos but at the end of the day, if you’re not Black it’s all about respect.
Not true!!! The PRs who were there tell you different. They said they caught hell from other PRs for participating in so called Black music. Grandmasta Caz said himself. Did no PRs get off a boat wanting to listen to James Brown
*Didnt know
Why do people repeat that lie that America is a melting pot? Black Americans, Latinos and whites each had gangs and were at war with eachother. They couldn't even travel through eachothers neighborhoods without getting jumped. Does that sound like a melting pot to you?
Caribbeans and Latinos have no claim to hip hop. They came later and didn't invent breaking or graffiti. Both groups joined what Black Americans created and now both groups are claiming they invented it.
Hip Hop lingo was greatly influenced by the Jazz era. Jazz slang such as Funky, Fresh, fly, Dope, Hip, The Bomb, Ballin', Boogie, Cool, Chill, Crib, Down by law, Jam, etc were adopted by Hip Hop. Moreover, the break beats and soundscape of Hip Hop were greatly influenced by James Brown and his band.
Jazz was influenced by Haitian immigrants who arrived in the early 1800s. So regardless it's from the Caribbean.
@@grinchmafia7295 don't lie like that, that's weird.
@@grinchmafia7295 what kind of narcotics are you on to say such nonsense..... LOL!!!!!!
Foundational Black Americans Created Hip Hop!!! Thank you!!!
This whole argument is toxic and misleading. In the late 70s in New York, you had Jamaicans, Black Americans with strong Southern Roots, Puerto Ricans (kids) not grown ups all mixing and blending energies to eventually create Hip Hop. Dear FBA people, there was no back room meeting to create hip hop. Just because the latinos weren't rapping and were (around ) doesn't mean there isn't influence. Jazz and reggae are cousins. Dancehall is a fusion of funk and disco with african drums lol. The point is, its us and the sad part is we don't even own it
Not they didn’t 🇵🇷 came after hip hop was already established…It’s 100% created by FBA’s.
@@donaldlyons180 Right. This dude is a straight up 🤡
@@mrexecutive right they are trying to change history
@@donaldlyons180 based on?
@@mrexecutive yo grandma
Ain’t nun of them was around when hiphop started because slavery was here! Wasn’t til we died for civil rights EVERYONE ELSE flew the ass here !
James Brown started rap, alongside Marvin Gaye, Gill Scott Heron, etc. the real myth is that it started in NY in 1979. Rap stems from Spoken Word, Jazz, and Blues which Black Americans created. No one was there until 1979.
Hip hop culture started in New York… “rap” been around forever but RAP MUSIC which is an element of hip hop culture comes from NYC
Rap and Hip Hop are not synonymous. Rap is just an activity that is done within the hip-hop culture. Ppl have been rapping and doing poetry since the beginning of time, but the culture of Hip Hop started in 70's Bronx NY.
VLAD bout to clean up off this Latino//Jamaican//hip hop conversation. He's also about to cause a lot of confusion
Thats what vultures do ....agents of chaos and confusion
Jamaicans and "Black" people are the Same people; its a shame must of us dont realize it, or know that.
@@TheSupremeDunk been going on long before he brought it up
@@ImDrunkAndHorny everyone knows that. But that's not how everyone's miving
The first rap song was "Here Come the Judge by Pigmeat Markham. It was a hit in the early 70's.
It's true Puerto ricans in NYC are from the south Bronx. If you look back in the really early hip hop photos/videos/movies you can see them right there in the 70s and 80s. They were mostly graffiti artists and dancers, not really mcs or djs in the early eras. That's why in NYC you see alot of blacks and Puerto rican women together, because they live around the same neighborhoods. The unfortunate part is they're so intermingled with black people that alot of them drop the n-word more than black people do, but if you use a hispanic slur they get upset.
There's A LOT of people trying talk about stuff that they wasn't even THERE FOR. I'm FROM BROOKLYN, CARIBBEAN, and I can tell you RIGHT NOW the Caribbean influence on Hip-Hop in the 70s AND EVEN MORE SO in the 80's was HUGE. It's probably bigger than what is typically known because a lot of cats would hide their accent. Have these fools even BEEN to Brooklyn? Hell, even Queens got a MASSIVE Caribbean footprint. To be clear, Hip-Hop is the only black music form that was majorly started by African-Americans but that had HEAVY influence from Blacks from the Caribbean and the peripheral presence of the Latino community, particularly Puerto Ricans. The reason this is a controversy now is because their is a huge rise in "Black American Exceptionalism" that got cats tryna rewrite history and they ain't even from NY OR from the time period. Man, I WAS THERE.
Facts 🗽✊🏿🇯🇲🇵🇷💯🗽🔥💐
The problem is everyone shit on us but lovee to take credit for everything we do
Everyone who is Jamaican of a certain age knows exactly where hip hop came from.
Not from Jamaica. 💯
Yes it came from 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@@mfknrmxthebangmessiah6012 The parent genre for hip hop and dancehall is reggae. I don’t know how this can be argued when factual.
@@DiamonBck not it is not. The basis for hip hop is funk and soul music as well as breakbeats from every genre. Before rapping, rap could be found in the works of Pigmest Markem, Jocko Henderson, Gary Byrd and the GB experience & Lightin Rod from the Last Poets with The Hustlers Convention. Reggae on the flip comes directly from black American music. So, other than Kool Herc playing breakbeats in the Bronx AFTER the guys in Bronxdale had already begun to do so, what exactly did Jamaicans contribute to the creation of Hip-Hop music and culture???
Also, back in the late sixties and early seventies, black Americans were absolutely not fucking with reggae. White Americans yes but black Americans, definitely not.
@@mfknrmxthebangmessiah6012 as long we can confirm hip hop was not an influence of reggae, as you did in your argument, we’re fine. We are speaking Art forms and not persons. Reggae’s influenced early on was much greater and was an Afrocentric movement worldwide, s ameri, Africa, reggaeton etc. The riddim, the flow, seeelllllectaa, the mixing, all was done prior to hip hop immersion. Reggae’s art form is an organic sound, the beat of your heart, the sound you heard when you was in your mummy tummy, mummy heart. Hip hop, sub form, more a divergence, an expression of the artist in the inner cities of ny. And hip hop may be the most creative art form, opinion. How could they’ve not heard of reggae? When worldwide, everyone was?
Aries Spears my man's you know you're people! Much respect.💯💪💪
Thank You @ VladTv for not folding and keeping the clips flowing.
This is the last time you will ever see this fool. Artdidnt fold he understood this guy is sick.
@@TonyMontana-mv9ez I just edited my response concerning Art. He actually just posted a new clip. 👏🏾👏🏾
@@spiderpimp33 oh ok. But I do hope this is the last time we see him
I'm Jamaican born and raised, To say KH created or invented Hip Hop would be a flat out lie. What I think is that he infused the Dancehall "culture" (not the music) Because within the "Dancehall" venues they would play Disco, Jazz, etc. In a typical dance (party) back then when Reggae music was played the DJ (selector ) would play the record and then flip it over to the instrumental where a singer and/or Deejay (chanter) would "freestyle".
And to say KH was too young at the time. I was going to dancehalls when I was 8 years old
* I'm using parentheses because what I noticed is that when explaining this same subject to younger Jamaicans and of age Americans ,our cultures is very similar but the definition of some words and terms are different so the points made are lost in translation
Your timeline is off because what about rock steady and the remixing of hymns song that we do. Because Americans sang before hip hop and we rhymed, also rode the bass for the beginning of our existence. So that’s wrong it’s not because of jazz or disco. We do it in church and that been around longer.
@@anthonybalfour914 I mentioned Jazz and Disco because it was the breaks in those records that was looped ( in America) that birthed Rapping. Mind you Black people was Chanting (story telling) acapella long b4 this time
No such thing as dancehall back then. Not to mention, the Jamaican sound system and parties came from Black Americans in the south. Sorry but we are the root to it all. Not Jamaicans. They had absolutely no influence on hip hop.
Pigmeat markham “here comes the judge” 1968 That ends the story because you cannot produce anything that sounds like that from Jamaica
@@jsimeonf9141 for Americans not Jamaican we been doing this when we’re slaves.
We definitely invented it. Real people in hip hop will tell you
This guy is a master of taking things out of Context. The lies stop here.
We are saying that Black Americans created Hip Hop. They are saying that Puerto Ricans contributed. Then fat Joe says 50/50 and That’s a lie. If Puerto Ricans created 50% of Hip Hop than tell me what they contributed half of Hip Hop?
Busta Rhymes says “ Black Americans have no Culture” and then we say “ Hold up” isn’t Hip Hop Black American Culture? Then the lie began. “ Jamaicans created Hip Hop, the biggest lie of all.
Herc Played predominantly African-American music to a predominant African-American audience. All the elements of hip-hop are African-American born. I credit Herc for amalgamating into our culture here and becoming a pioneer in helping to bring those elements already formulated by African-Americans together by throwing huge parties. What’s actually weird is people assimilating into African-American culture, doing so well and then turning around and saying they created the very culture they had to assimilate to. Trying to Rape, Rob and Pillage another peoples Culture is actually some Weirdo Jive and pathetic. Jamaicans have their culture in Jamaica and it’s nothing like ours. That’s a beautiful thing. They can keep their Culture and we are Good. Black Americans love Herc because he is one of our people. All the rest of these mindless minions talking that weirdo “ They created Hip Hop crap, we shutting that noise down all day family. Real talk.
It's an issue because it's a lie.
It ain't complicated.
Exactly
It’s not a lie AT ALL and just shows you don’t know anything. Sit down
@@heartofbrowardcounty142 not exactly
@@designatedpiledriver8216 you guys keep saying that and when asked to provide proof, you can't.
Niggas were rapping in the 30s in America. American black dudes were break dancing in the 50s.
Even Hispanica will tell that Hispanocs not only weren't fuckin with hip hip, they dissed it amd talked ahit about it. They weren't there.
@@ddavis8988 black was rappin in heaven 🤣🤣🤣
Aries is really smart and all his interviews are pretty good... Some of you people need to get out of yall feelings and understand hes a comedian...And as far as that fat chick he dissed not too long ago..truth be told many of us were thinking some of what he said
How about those skits he did my bro
Naw, he's really not smart... having an opinion doesn't make you smart.
@@quilodinerro which ones? Hes done so many lol
@@freespiritedaquarius913 I agree. Having an opinion does not make you smart. With that said my opinion of him is that hes a smart successful comedian.
@@guyonyoutube8008 you know what I’m talking about the recent ones.
The one with Tiffany haddish
It was specifically *Caribbean Latinos* who were part of Hip Hop's creation. Once you make that specifier, it's far more accurate and should be less of an issue. NYC at that time was mostly Puerto Ricans and you had some Cubans and Dominicans.
Name me the latino's that helped create rap music. I have asked every person who have claimed latinos helped created rap music asn have yet to find any names. And if you are claiming Prince Whipper Whip - he
Is an AFRO latino.
The issue is, a majority of the current crop of Black Americans into Hip Hop DON'T KNOW Hip Hop... or the early days at least. Latinos, Puerto Ricans specifically, were there in the early days. And the basis of the party style in the beginning was based of a few things, the Jamaican influence being one. All the folks getting angry just don't know.
They came after it was already created…Type In Jubilares 1940’s. Clearly an elder version of hip hop which is strictly a Foundational Black American Art Form….
@@donjuanbanks4552 they know this tho
Of course you were around copying our style. Nobody’s saying that wasn’t true! We’re just being honest that y’all got it from us! If y’all ain’t there there’s no difference except less culture vultures around.
Thats all cap.
@@donjuanbanks4552 Bro African come from Africa and Latinos come from they country’s to our and literally try to tell us who we are and what we don’t know these people have 0 respect for us yet we respect and embrace them
James Brown was rapping so the idea that Latino's or Jamaicanas helped start rap is absurd
Puerto Ricans only settled in Chicago and NYC during the 19th century. There wasn’t a lot of Latinos during this time. Black Americans and Puerto Ricans are not the same. Black Americans been here longer, Puerto Ricans were just dropped off in our historical communities since the 19th century but we are not the same nor share the same culture outside of Chicago and NYC. So stop saying we are the same when we are not 💯
Ricans were involved in Hip Hop going back to 1973 when Kool Herc put on a beat and Ricans started breaking and Herc himself was Jamaican....Thats literally the foundation of Hip Hop!!!
WRONG...You really need to learn about hip hop
@@uptownbladebrown Maybe you do, can you tell me Hip Hop was around before 1973!?? I'll wait and you name the event and place
@@ricosuavepr1207 hip hop started from bx gang culture n bboys around 70,71
@@uptownbladebrown 70??? My ppl were there say 72-73 and Boricuas and Jamaicans were there Boricuas were breakdancing
Facts 🗽🇵🇷✊🏿🇯🇲🗽
Whoever said jamaicans have nothing to do with hip hop needs a serious lecture on history.. must be one of those gen z youngins..
Jamaicans was doing rap and hip hop before America did it lol.
Jamaica started that, Americans just took it and made bread of it.
No they weren’t . Hip hop “parties with soul samples were already happening
Lol stop it, if Jamaicans created hip hop why the fuck don’t they still use the sound to this day? Jamaican are know for reggae stop it
@@bmillersince92 I encourage you not to be this ignorant. DJ Kool Herc was the pioneer in cutting records. He was a Jamaican living in the Bronx. Him cutting records in the late seventies is the origin of hip Hop. Also U-Roy was "toasting" in the '70s. Rapping is the evolution of toasting. Things have to be put in its proper context. The origins of hip Hop was started by Jamaicans living in NYC. When Russell Simmons used to throw block parties it was the sound systems from Jamaicans he used to borrow. Things have to be put in its proper context to avoid ignorant statements like this. To make things were a huge part of the origins of hip Hop. That's why dancehall and hip Hop are so closely intertwined with each other. I encourage you to do your research before just coming on UA-cam and saying nonsense like this
@@CristanioPeweyyy I agree with you for the most part. But if we're being perfectly honest it was Jamaicans in New York City blending American sounds with their culture. So we can't credit One without the other. Both cultures were the parents of hip Hop
Cool Herc was not playing Jamaican music he was playing black 🇺🇸, and the Hispanics were spectating getting ready to mimic black 🇺🇸 culture
Bro he literally brought the Jamaican sound system culture to the Bronx with the first hip hop jams, and most of the early breakers and graffiti artist were Rican stop it
@@oredi2159 well those sound systems were actually from Japan . Playing James brown. And the break dancing was copied from black 🇺🇸
Rap came from Jamaica simple
Mexicans showed african americans marijuana thus inspired blacks to create jazz music💯😭🤦
@@oredi2159 herc came to the states at 12, he didn’t bring any sound system. In fact Jamaicans copied it when they saw 🇺🇸 doing
If you not from new york this got nothing to do with you. Shoutout to the Bronx from Queens to the bridge to southside
Rap/hip-hop comes from black american culture/music. There aren't any elements or influences from other groups.
@@jayjones251 you from the bronx? You from new york city? You ever been to the south bronx then shit yo ass up
@@jayjones251 hip hop is from nyc. Hiphop was not made by a one race. Come to the projects out here its all folks mainly blacks latinos carribeans arabs etc. Hip hop was marketed by jews who sold it as a black thing to entice and sell it to white suburban audience, they did not think latino rappers were cool enough or edgy to white kids who were going to be the main money maker. Thats actually why you thonk hiphop was started with nothing but black folks. But the reality is, the dance of hiphop was mainly latinos doing it and creating the moves, graffitti had many writers who were black white latino etc mixed and writers were always on that. Djing, Kool Herc is Jamaican, you arent writting out Carribean folks thst includes Puertp Ricans too. If you not from out here please do not speak cuz yall know what was shown to you not what is actually going on.
@rachethippyproductions then how come there aren't Jamaican or Puerto Rican cultural elements. Why is everything about hip-hop dominated by black american culture?
@@rachethippyproductionsI’m from the Bronx James Monroe projects LIE TINOS DIDNT CREATE SHIT JUST LIKE YALL DONT CREATE SHIT NOW
Damn hip hop is 50 already I'm frigging getting old.
I'm over 50 now..I was around at the beginning of hip hop. I remember Puerto Rican and black kids did graffiti and break danced together and had different crews. Yeah I didn't see alot of Puerto Rican rappers but that doesn't mean there was none. I danced in battles and there were Puerto Rican and blacks and sprinkles of hood white kids there. Blacks I can't breakdown cause Haitian, Jamaican, Dominican all look alike. Some of the dopest graffiti writers and mixers were Puerto rican. I saw it for myself. ( Brooklyn, Brownsville)
My favorite graffiti artist is Puerto Rican, Richie Mirando aka SEEN
The Godfather of graffiti, NYC Legend of Legends
THEY were only doing what they already saw happening, DOESN'T MEAN they invented it!!
If it was the other way around latinos would NEVER MENTION BLACKS!
Legendary 😎 one of the greats that still is here
@@B3boski SEEN is Italian. LEE Quinones is probably the greatest Puerto Rican graff artist. By the way, if you're a graff fan, check out the Killa Kela podcast here on UA-cam. He recently interviewed SEEN's fellow United Artists crew member DUSTER, as well as LEE's fellow Fabulous 5 crew member SLAVE.
Boy bye
Dude STOP!! I’m so happy Tariq put out that hip hop documentary!! Hip hop is a BLK AMERICAN CREATION!!
They were around….DID NOT CREATE.
Pioneered
@@ima8533 Yes, assisted not produce or create.
Latinos invented Rap and Hip Hop and im black
The world always trying to take credit from some sht FBA started. But it don’t matter cuz we down own not control it anyway.
If you think Jamaicans and Puerto Ricans weren’t involved in the creation of hip hop, you don’t know history
@@superdupeninja8149 they were not many of the people during that time already said they wasnt
@@superdupeninja8149 Never said they weren’t involved. Lil Wayne and The Game was INVOLVED with the assassination of Osama Ben laden. But I wouldn’t say they assassinated him. Not saying you specifically, but the headlines have been that Jamaicans and Puerto Ricans STARTED Hiphop. Puerto Ricans used to get shit from their own people just for hanging around blacks back in the day. Yeah maybe some of them helped but to say they started it is a reach. I be damn if I give credit for Hiphop to a group of people who always looked down on it. We are the only race who have ALWAYS supported Hiphop. From start to finish. And if you understood history so well then you would know that this is how narratives and history gets changed. But like I said, it’s not like we own it anyway. So who cares… somehow the group we should be upset at manages to slip by unchecked every time…
@@superdupeninja8149 they wasn't all Elements of hip hop was created by fba thats it.. ASK KOOL HURC
@@WillOnCode If all these other groups cared so much about Hiphop why haven’t they been taken some credit for it. Why now? Is it because it’s one of, if not the most profitable genres on the planet. For the most part, unanimously across the board, black Americans love Hiphop. We may not be able to agree on a lot but we definitely agree on our love for Hiphop. The same can not be said about those other groups.
I'm P.R 45 years old and I can say the brothers are the creators of hip hop period there's no debating that. P.R contributed in brake dancing heavily.
Exactly 💯 Everyone should respect those contributions