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Not Sun outing both Aylin and Ongsa lmao 😭 ( well i get it she has supportive parents but it doesn't mean everyone does too )
Exactly!
thats what im saying
That's exactly! She also told her relationship with Ongsa and the latter may not be ready yet. 💔 some people take some time to be ready to tell.
this is why communication is sooooo important in relationships man , ongsa should’ve expressed to sun that she’s scared about telling her parents about their relationship
Yeah what Sun did isn’t right either 😢😢
The teachers are ridiculous and cute at the same time 😂
True 😊
If i got flowers with "I hope you're not too dense to figure out", our wedding would be imminent 😂 Peak romance!
I SCREAMED! I’m so here for the teachers, and how smooth was Teacher Nida?
Outing Ongsa to her parents then running away is crazyy
FOR REAL LIKE GIRL-
And then she's the one who's mad at Ongsa 😂 I'd be mad at Sun
LITERALLY WHAT IM SAYING
craaazyyyy like
THEN SHE GOT MAD AT ONGSA...LIKE WHATTT
As much as I love Mawin... WHY DID HE HAVE TO INTERRUPT AYLIN WHEN SHE WAS TALKING??! I mean... She finally pours her heart out, trusts her friends, let's her emotions and words out...and he just interrupts her in the middle of her speech!! I'm stunned. I get that he may have felt the same way, but this was Aylin's moment of vulnerability and sharing. He should have at least waited for her to stop talking and only then share his opinion and support.
FRR, this is only my opinion but i feel like sometimes they give too much screentimes/attentions for the side characters?? I feel like sometimes they give too much focus to Ton and Mawin(esp Ton) when Aylin and Luna are actually the one who need it more😩
I get that 12 eps is not enough to do EVERY single characters justice but still😭
OMG EXACTLY. I mean, I heard the whole section felt like a let down, especially since it's quite clear to us that Aylin is autistic, literally every autistic viewer relates and understands Aylin. It could have been a bigger lesson and a more heartful and unique moment.
Mot even that, what shocked me the most was when MAWIN JUST STRAIGHT UP INTERRUPTED HER LIKE WTH??? Even Ton as well?
Not to mention nothing from Luna??? That felt modt out of character. The first we actually see of her is when she boldly puts out a speaker for the club promotion, her personality definitely isn't staying quiet like that, especially with Aulin like what??? In fact, she's been a bit out of character for a couple of episodes now.
Sorry, that's another rant; Since the beginning, the show talked about Alyin and Alien and made us wonder why she was that way (other than her being autistic ofc) qns whwn we FINALLY got to the moment... JUST WHEN SHE WAS GOING TO SAY THE MAIN PART
mawin cuts in. Full stop. Like, wtaf? The later half of this show was already butchered af but what the hell was that!? How come no one else pointed that out as well??? Seriously, I was already annoyrd at the show, but this was the braking point. NOT TO MENTION SUN afterwards??? The writers completely lost the plot. Changed the novel so much they basically erased the main character.
Seriously, I'm actually annoyed. Especially since this show had extreme levels of potential and could've gotten more viewship if it wasn't like this. The second half especially.
When will theu make a MilkLove gl again? Let alone adult themes?? Not to even mention ViewJune? Seriously, the only redeeming factor of this episode were the lovavle teachers, seriously
Edit: re read it and I was so pisses I couldn't type properly lmao. Normally would edit and do correct spelling but I believe leaving it as is shows how annoyed I actually am💀
Same I was like.. what the heck?
😢 I’m I the only person care that Luna and Aylin didn’t even have one scene together in this episode 😂😢
Maybe we seen them in the next episode 😂😂
I was also waiting for those scenes of his
haha me too, when Sun told Ongsa's parents that Luna and Aylin were having dinner I was like " I want to see that instead" hahaha
EXACTLY,i was literally waiting for their scenes!
Same
Everyone in the comment section is defending Sun and saying she's the victim wtf. I get she's hurt, she has the right to be sad and frustrated. But she has no right to out everyone like it's a straight relationship or something. Queer people still struggle. It's not a minor thing to come out to your parents. Ongsa is the one to decide when and how to come out.
Well she has grown up with that environment where her parents are so supportive and all so it kinda makes sense although what she did was wrong
@@yuzuchan9169 and they're still in gradeschool. I think it's a factor, they're not that mature enough to think about consequences. All they think about how they'll quickly solve the problem infront of them. That figures why Sun blurted out stuff without even thinking because she was expecting the same thing from Ongsa.
@@yuzuchan9169 yes yes, I completely agree that it makes a lot of sense for her character. The series did a good job. Just saying that a lot of people are sad for Sun and only blaming Ongsa for denying her relationship with Sun.
I agreed 💯 because I went through this
@@yuzuchan9169 Even so, anyone who is gay knows about how hard it is to come out, regardless of their parents being accepting.
Sun literally outed 3 people without their consent, she is not the victim. what if her outing them led to something worst
RIGHT
Yeah, she doesnt know Ongsa's parents and how they will react, and she never asked her
@2000seoulsonyosound exactly you are not suppose to speak of someone's sexuality without their consent. you shouldn't have to tell someone not to out you, its human decency. it's a very traumatizing experience. also ongsa has technically been outed 3 times, chaeron to tinh, aylin to luna then sun to her parents
I M SORRY but who r the 2 ppl that sun outed?? I only knew she outed ongsa but idk who she outed other than ongsa (I watched without subtitles )
@@Lallawmkimmi aylin and luna
Ton’s ability to make everything about him is so funny and annoying lol
Yes. But also somewhat endearing at the same time 😂
It’s annoyingly funny but also sweet in a way 😂🥺. He wants to do good, and he does care, and just glad he could make Aylin smile 🥹.
@@abbyortiz132 Yeah, I think the fact that you see that he cares makes him endearing but dude you're not that much better when it comes to peopling. Also , I feel like he actually feels quite loenly inside with everyone having their "special someone".
@@AnnaC130 true, I would say he could work on that. Which is good and nothing wrong with that, but I agree on how he can feel lonely with everyone with their person and he sees that. He deserves love and happiness too 🥺❤️. Even though I don’t think he needs someone to feel like he’s loved or that he needs someone to be happy, but if we are going down that route then he does deserve it 🥰.
This man KILLS MEEEEE I kinda love him for it 🤣
Sun outing everyone left and right. Not sure how I feel about that.
Yeah I didn’t like that 👽.
Only people who had to keep the secret can know that feeling tbh.
I am very sure how I feel about it: angry and disappointed
@@lucass1717 Pretty much. Sun is very possessive and jealous in the novel, so guess they are trying to incorporate that side of her character. She couldn't stand Ongsa not claiming her in front of her parents, while Sun has been very open card with hers.
worst writing choice they could make.
@@Vecnasdaughter07 but i believe its more realistic. She's only a human after all
I cried like a dog when Aylin cried 😭😭
GIRL SAME, I’VE NEVER EXPERIENCED BEING HUG BY A FRIEND
Omg same. I relate to her so much and it’s just such genuine good representation and seeing her cry…the actress so good and the build up omg the tears just started
It is very strange that Sun, who has been a green flag throughout the series, suddenly shows such a red flag behaviour, but I can understand it. Sun's family is very understanding and they raised their daughter freely. That's why I don't think Sun thinks too much about other family dynamics. Although she shows mature behaviour for her age, it is important to remember that she is actually an teenager. At this age, especially if a young person is in love, he/she places the relationship at the centre of his/her life. She even put aside her dreams for her girlfriend. She wants to see the same value from the other side. She wants Ongsa to be proud of her as she proudly shows her relationship to her own family. She was already tense because of their interrupted conversation in front of the door. I think she fears that Ongsa could easily give up on her, as if Ongsa would not miss her as much as she would miss her if they were far away.
So I understand that Sun felt ignored by her girlfriend at the table, but I never, ever approve of her behaviour. I don't know how the scriptwriter will handle the script, but I think Sun should also apologise here. I hope this issue will not be ignored among Ongsa's efforts to redeem herself.
Best opinion in the comment section
bruh it’s more like “Sometimes we expect more from others because we would be willing to do that much for them”
Hi! I don't usually reply, but I would like to share a comment on yours :)
I don't think Sun "has been a green flag throughout the series": earlier on (ep. 6, 2/4) she said "You want me to get mad? When I'm mad, I can be quite frightening", which was completely off with her positive character up to that point. That moment felt weird, as if it was not really linked to the character, a mistake in the screenplay or something acted too much seriously... but it was actually a tiny hint at her having some red flag / controlling behaviours... Probably this "Sun" is not totally bright as we think at a first glance... ;)
@cactusmember Sun may have been a positive/optimistic character, but I heard from others in the comment section that she is possessive and easily jealous. So it's not completely out of character for her to say that. Also I didn't go back to review that episode so I can't imagine how she said it, but I think people say that all the time in a joking manner. But maybe that's just me?
@@hamisyummers8664 Hi! She is jealous/possessive, indeed! And well, the way she said that (kudos to Love, she is a great actress!) was very serious and frightening! For that reason I wrote that (at least for me) it was off with her character up to that point of the story. So, what I meant to say is that it's not out of the character per se, but out of the character as we had seen it up to that point (read: "red flag"). Thanks for your reply! :)
That was the cutest confession, i loved it 🥰 Teacher Bambam is cute when she's shy and the "I'm gonna go ask the cards first". She's hilarious 😅
😊agreed 💯
no wayy y'all are bashing ongsa while i get it's upsetting but sun literally outing everyone left and right likee she could've just talked in private atleast?? forcing ongsa out of closet is not the answer!
and ik ongsa gonna be the only one apologizing too like they are always apologizing for the wrong issue... when ongsa literally lied to her about the whole earth thing and was out here being sorry for being a girl?? GIRL you lied to her!! and sun was literally unfazed there but now she outed ongsa and she's the only victim...
still eating it all up tho lol
EXACTLY
yess!! thank you for saying that, I'm actually mad at this writing choice, out of Sun's character
@@Vecnasdaughter07 right like im unsure what the plot was on the novel but this was kinda awry for her initial behaviour
The worst thing you can do to your partner is to deny your relationship infront of her.
For real I would never do that 😭😭
Is it better to out your friends and your partner without consent and not knowing if their parents are safe people to come out to!? They could've been in danger. Plus is not her right to do that. It's Ongsa's parents and Ongsa's sexuality. She has the right to chose how and when to come out.
@@jinathosain9751 agreed with both of you I could never do such a thing
True, but it's also not good to out someone. Sun literally outed herself, ongsa, Ailyn and Luna.
its also bad to out your partner she could've had that deny relationship conversation in private I mean sun kinda knew how ongsa was afraid of coming out since they first started dating she literally told her we dont have to tell people if you are not ready I understand ongsa managed to tell certain people about their relationship but parents are different but then again they seemed happy for Aylin and luna so in suns mind she probably thought like hey they accept them so obviously they will except us sorry I vented under this comment lol
i understand ongsa but at the same time she should've told Sun that she wasn't ready to tell her parents instead of ....doing THAT right in front of her asdhbasdfsdfdf oh lord another SEVEN DAYS of waiting before the next episode i can't do this
yeah I feel like this is all about the lack of communication. denying your relationship in front of your partner is one thing but sun should not expect ongsa's parents to be just like hers (or at least she should try to understand how ongsa feels). they should just communicate about it and not break up like that
@@dede1842 exactly! like i'm not saying Sun was totally right in this either but she didn't know. She assumed that since she told her parents, Ongsa would tell hers but then Ongsa didn't communicate anything and boom, denying it in front of her. Like, that hurts, ma. But also I feel like this is a script problem, they can't stick to anything. I didn't read the novel but my friend told me in the novel, they break up because the mom is home of phobic. I know 12 episodes aren't enough to do anyone's justice but like damn, stop giving random side characters (ton/mawin) screentime and keep that for the MAIN characters tf...
@@aaronissohot yeah i mean it must hurt bad to hear that, i'd be probably shattered if that ever happened to me. i've heard about ongsa's mom in the novel but it seems she might not be in the show? she didn't seem to mind hearing about aylin and luna, but maybe it's because aylin is not her daughter. and yes i really don't mind ton and mawin but i feel like you're right saying that it's a script problem. just like luna forcing aylin to eat lunch with friends when aylin clearly expressed discomfort felt really out of character for luna. i agree, 12 episodes are not enough. i need MORE
@@dede1842 exactly they're cutting too many corners. Also it's not that i mind ton and mawin but i feel like instead of giving them random screentime that literally adds nothing to the plot, they should've given that to Sun and Ongsa instead. Like give us a personality for Sun. And also there are plot holes everywhere in this. For example, in ep8, Sun literally just said "we don't have to tell anyone yet. I don't want you to feel uncomfortable just because we're together" and now she's pissed for that exact reason.... it doesn't make any sense asdsdfasdf
they didnt emphasize that her mom is homophobic but i think they changed that to shorten the story
GUYS YALL NEED TO REMMBER THAT THEY ARE YOUNGGGGGGG AND THIS JUST THEIR FIRST REALNTIONSHIP AS GAY SO THEY DONT REALLY KNOW ANYTHING SO RELAX
Exactly??? And Ongsa is like 17?
@PrinceShj Ys they are teenagers studying high school only
im 16, would never out anyone 😭
@@jsdeepvoice04same omg. even if i was raised in a healthy and perfect household the last thing i would do is out someone especially my girlfriend who not even A WEEK AGO was displaying severe internal lesbophobia, worrying abt being a girl inlove wit a girl, and a few hours prior was questioning the parents if they were okay wit her dating a girl. like common sense
@@yunjin1stfan its absolutely never ok to just out someone, you dont know what could happen (stan lesserafim btw)
Ongsa or Sun, actually no one deserves the hate. Guys, they are humans after all and they don't even 18 yet, they are in high school. Ones is insecure because she scared that her parents won't accept her and ones is mad because her gf hide their relationship. They have their own reasons to do so. As outsiders, we can't judge them. People have their own journey. It's not just being a green flag or red flag in life, it's about suffering, learning and fixing.
Preach
Totally agree with u
Totally true, the truth is they are people and no one is perfect and even less so being teenagers
Btw, I desperately need Aylin and Luna to have a scene together (alone) next week, I loved to see everyone's support but they need to talk
Dude, I would normally say I need a gl series where ViewJune are main coupel but seeing what they've doen to MilkLove in this series.
I STILL NEED A VIEWJUNE FOCUSED GL SERIES WHERE WRITING IS ON POINT THROUGHOUT THE SHOW AND BOTH CHARACTERS FEEL LIKE MAIM AND COMPLEX CHARACTERS FOR FFS
Sun literally outed everyone and then got mad with Ongsa.
Exactly, I'm so mad at her. Ailyn would probably not be okay with it either.
Wow Love's so good at acting the way her voice cracks as well as the intonations when saying "Well Ongsa and I aren't just friends".
HELP THE FACES TEACHER BAMBAM MADE WHEN SHE WAS BEING CONFESSED TO IS SHE HAVING A SEIZURE??😭💀
Lolzzz😅
okay Ongsa's mother where are you "we are family" 😭
But she didn't say anything bad
@@andelca0528 Yeah, it just ongsa's afraid to come out to her parents.
@@andelca0528 in the book her mom is super homophobic
Whoever wants inner psychological peace and tranquility of the heart, let him read the Holy Quran, for it is a medicine and a cure for what is in the chests and hearts
@@MohamedHani-sf4nj this is a joke right?? 😂😂 Islam is opposite of peace, it's the most violent religion in the world. Can you tell me what happens to someone when he or she leaves islam?
I understand both sides. It's really hard to come out with your "parents" so we can't just invalidate ongsa's feelings. Same goes with sun I think she's just frustrated because her parents already knows their relationship. There's no right or wrong feelings, what these two need is "Communication".
Very well said 🥹
You're right. They will learn how to communicate in this relationship.
This
I love that Aylin finally decided to open up to her "friends". She considered them her friends - realizing it when Khum Bambam and Nida talked to her in the rooftop. But i didn't like how everybody tried to cut her off as she speaks. 🥺 it was suppose to be the time when she will be opening herself up to them. Cutting her off and finishing her sentences for her didn't serve the purpose. I wish it was written differently. I feel like she could've said more if she wasn't interupted all the time. 🥺
Sun outing ogsa like that is the best example of someone who always had the privilege of a healthy accepting family.
As much as i understand how it can hurt for her to see ongsa deny their relationship, she doesn't know if her parents are homophobic or sum else, she could've actually put ongsa in danger.
The problem here is both don't communicate but here i have to be on ongsa's side.
It's not bc sun has a good relationship w her parents/sexuality then everyone else does too 👐🏻
Or a sign of her partners complete lack of understanding and communication skills. Blaming sun for ongsa choices is crazy. Would this had happened had sun knew she was a secret? There is the answer.. Stop acting as if sun was in the wrong when she had no way of knowing that she was a secret to begin with.
@@lovelaugheagle5969 if they had planned to eat w ongsa's parents sure it will be her faut but that's not the case here.
Not only Sun outed aylin and luna for no reason at all but she also did it w ongsa even tho she didn't even have the time to communicate w her.
What's crazy here is outing your gf out of anger without even knowing if her parents could've hurted her for it.
For once, ongsa is not at fault.
@@lmaohilol Funny considering had ongsa told sun after the dinner with her family. Hey your so lucky your parents aren't like mine. And tell sun she wasn't out to her parents. Absolutely none of this would have happened. It's called pushing blame and children tend to do that a lot. I'm not a child. I'm also a closeted person and I don't trick my partners into being with a closeted person. That's what you do when you don't tell your partner your closeted. You trick them. Now folks out her blaming the partner who was trick. Rather than the person who wasn't honest and caused the situation to happen.
That's the thing folks keep on looking at it as ongsa being outed but not looking at the whole thing in context. Which isn't right.. Ongsa is the cause of what happened to her no one else. Everyone agrees had sun known none of this would have happened. So than who made it happen. Ongsa. It's that simple.
As a closeted person. Folks aren't defending Sun because they are mad ongsa isn't out.
They are defending sun because it's not her fault. Ongsa set all this in motion when she wasn't honest and communicative with her partner about not being out.
Can't blame a blind sided person for what they do in the moment when they shouldn't have been blind sided to begin with.
@@lovelaugheagle5969 again, yes they should have communicated but neither of them began a conversation about it and considering that the meeting w sun's parents was literally at the beginning ep, ongsa didn't have the time to talk about it.
Her not speaking about it will be an issue if the dinner was planned or that one of them brought it up before.
No matter how much y'all want to blame ongsa, at the end of day no one is in the right to out another person even if they're angry.
If you want to be angry at ongsa sure why not she's not completely in the right, but excusing sun's behavior is not normal bc it's insensitive and could have put ongsa in danger.
@@lmaohilol There you go making excuses. What was stopping ongsa from telling sun in her room after the dinner with sun parents. Ongsa parents didn't know about them and that they can't know. Stop saying neither of them talked about it. It was Ongsa responsibility if she didn't want to tell her parents to let sun know. It doesn't matter that the didn't know a dinner was going to come from ongsa parents. She should have had some aware of it.
She literally went into that dinner wanting to gloat about her amazing girlfriend and instead got denied not once but twice. As a closeted person myself I would never not tell my partner that my parents can't know about us. That is the most irresponsible thing you can do. Not only because it leads to getting caught. But it forces my partner into something they didn't choose. So yes as a person that's been in many closeted relationships I will defend sun. Because if I did what ongsa did I know the reaction of that choice so how can I blame the person who I put in that situation unknowingly. That's my fault not theirs. It's pretty simple. I put myself in the situation to be "outed".
Here to say that the teachers romance was so unexpected but also the most beautiful surprise of this series and now I’m obsessed 🤩
I really hope they're not gonna play Sun as the victim here. You can't just out someone like that. Hopefully the make Sun realize this instead of having Ongsa run at her every whim.
Imagine if Ongsa's parents were actually homophobic? Then outing her like that would've turned horrible. Sun didn't have the right to do any of that (including outing Aylin). And I wish Ongsa had told Sun she wasn't ready to come out to her parents.
Exactly my thought!!
Aylin really did a great job at portraying her character
Yeah, no matter how BUTCHERED the scene was (I'm pissed about it actually lmao), View did an absolutely amazing job and did the best she could. Still, UGH, I WISH IT HAD GONE DIFFERENTLY. The attention was very much taken away from her after the first two lines
These Gl series are not only series for entertaining, maybe these series are the reason of inspiration for many people, I don't know who is inspired or not But Watching these gl series makes me feel very hopeful in my personal life so thank you very much to Thailand for executing such a beautiful Same Gender Love.❤️❤️
You're right 👍🏻
i don't really comment whenever i watch any series, but i feel like i needed to. because girl???? idk, the worst thing you could do is out your girl to her parents. like, you literally have no rights to out anyone. i get that she's upset because ongsa deadass denied her, but she could've wait until that goddamn dinner was done, and ask her what's wrong, or why did she deny their relationship in front of ongsa's parents.
i remember this scene in one of kirsten stewart's movie (forgot the title, but it was the one where aubrey plaza was in) where her girlfriend is also afraid of coming out. her friend asked her how was it when she cam out, and she said her parents were very welcoming, and accepted her. then her friend said (non-verbatim) "not everyone had the same parents as you." ongsa isn't sure how her parents would react, and according to novel readers her mom's homophobic, idk in the series version, because she seems excited about aylin and luna, but the bottomline is, not everyone has the same supportive parents as sun, and that you don't have the rights to out someone.
because wdym girlie outed not just her girlfriend, but aylin and luna, too? though, i do believe that in the next episode sun would realize what the problem was, and ongsa could explain why she's scared of coming out.
Not only does OngsaSun have a conflict, even the fans are in conflict 😅
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omfg Aylin made me cry. She is my favorite person 🥹
The next episode is going to be very funny, Ongsa is crying like Nobita
But we gonna see sun cry in that episode too..
I don't feel ongsa is wrong because Not every parents is understanding & open about the same gender love especially Asian parents but I understand sun as well. It's tough when someone has given you alot & is willing to risk everything for the person they love but the other person tries to deny their relationship status infront of her parents. It feel really hurtful & like a betrayal. It's natural to have expectations to receive the same love & support that you've given to your partner. It's not wrong or unjustified to want that✨
Their acting skills are legit
We need more ViewJune scenes!!!😭
ongsa gone crazy cuz of the broke up is actually very in character of her
Teacher bambam and teacher nida are so cute😭😭
I hope everyone can remember that outing someone is never okay...
Of course it’s not okay, but sun probably thought ongsas parents were understanding like hers since she grew up in that kind of household, so she wasn’t used to homophobia. Sun should educate herself but everyone makes mistakes she’s not perfect, you just have to understand her pov.
It's not outing if your going into the situation believing you are already out tho. That's what people aren't seeing. They weren't in a secret relationship. The only one keeping secrets was ongsa. She didn't even tell sun she wasn't out to her parents. That is something a partner needs to know for situations like this. So sun isn't to blame she didn't know she was outing anything because she didn't know it was a secret. This is on Ongsa. As someone who has to hide. I know first hand the first conversation you have with your possible partner is if they can handle being in a closeted relationship. So if I hadn't had the conversation and my partner did what sun did. That would be on me. Not my partner. How could they have possibly known it wasn't ok if I didn't tell them they were a secret.
@@lovelaugheagle5969 what I’m saying tbh
@@lovelaugheagle5969exactly
Godji playing a cool and confident character is actually so attractive
Im gonna go watch sun and ongsa happy. Moments to make my self feel better lol
Not Aylin making me cry in the club! 😢 what a beautiful emotional scene with the friend group with them being there for her as she shared about her past being bullied and aww ton and her sharing hearts bc he said he'd do a support group for folks that have been bullied. The messages this show is about are so important. ❤
ทำไมยัยองศาชอบทำเรื่องง่ายๆให้เป็นเรื่องยากตลอดเลยอ่ะ ไม่ได้อ่านนิยายก็เลยไม่รู้ว่าเรื่องราวจริงๆแล้วคืออะไรกันแน่ 😢😢😢
Actually this is not part of the novel, this is different. They change the story.
Ongsa panicked. in the book her mom is super homophobic
@@VampValkiry where can I read the book?? 😭😭🩷
@@MxrphiMeb app
In the novel, her mom is homophobic
Oh, Sun... Sweetie, no. No. That's not how you handle this at all.
Sun has no right to out others just because your parents are accepting doesn't mean everyone's like that
It was probably her first instinct, after giving your dreams for that person just for them to deny their relationship to their parents. She probably wasn’t used to homophobic parents because she grew up with loving and understanding parents. But yes she’s still wrong but both of ongsa and sun don’t deserve the hate
The way aylin cried was tooo cute..
Let's not forget Ayleen's wonderful and moving performance.
So many of y'all blaming Ongsa for this, you guys really don't understand her character at all. Also the fact that Sun just straight up outed 3 people there doesn't sit right to me, she should have known that not every parents are that accepting.
Sun was struggle in this scene after left her dream, and then she got rejected from ongsa.
What does outed mean?
@@AnikaKahyauza-fe9mc"got rejected" no she was impulsive and dramatic instead of thinking. ongsa HOURS BEFORE was panicking abt suns parents thinking she was suns girlfriend. she was already showing signs of discomfort.
Seriously finding any reason to hate. So many people "outed" them and your here blaming sun for saying they were a couple to ongsa parents who she had no idea didn't know. really? Context matters. Sun was completely blind sided she had no idea she was a secret. Your using excuses to justify ongsa lack of communication. Did she tell sun they were a secret?
Did she tell sun her parents didn't know?
Ok so how was sun suppose to know they were a secret and two that the parents didn't know.
Sun was being so causal with Ongsa parents because she thought they invited her knowing she was ongsa girlfriend just like sun parents did with Ongsa. How the heck was she suppose to take the invite knowing they aren't friends but girlfriends. Blaming the wrong person. Ongsa is to blame. Had she told sun this wouldn't have happened.
wow the comments only being shocked and mad at ongsa when I feel her if she isn't ready to come out to her parents that's ok yes her denying the relationship in front of sun was crazy but as sun I would have talked to ongsa in private and asked her why she had to lie I wouldn't have just outed her sun literally outed her and Aylin but I love my girlies that preview was looking promising I think they both need to apologize to each other sun for outing and ongsa for lying realistically but ik that aint happening ongsa will apologize
It's totally fine not to be ready. But you know what you do. You tell your partner. You don't have them as a secret and not let them know they are a secret. Because that's why stuff like this happens. It's also crazy how everyone is overlooking the fact that sun was forced into a closeted relationship. What I mean by forced is that ongsa didn't give her that knowledge so she could choose if that's what she was willing to be in. She just made her believe everything was good all while keeping her a secret.. Oh that's not messed up at all though.. Folks blame sun for ongsa choices. Instead of seeing how she was blind sided.
@@lovelaugheagle5969 I don't think we watched the same show respectfully. ongsa expressed multiple times about not wanting to tell other people about their relationship only reason why some people found out was because sun confessed in front of them. and afterwards what happened ongsa gathered those people who witnessed and asked of them not to tell anyone else about their relationship. sun herself realized ongsa was scared of telling people and told ongsa that it was ok if she didn't want to let people know while also giving her reassurance that she doesn't care about others opinions. we can't act like ongsa being insecure about other people knowing suddenly appeared this episode when its been like this since the beginning of the relationship its bad both ways I wouldn't want to be someones secret but I would also try to be understanding on when my partner was ready to tell her parents.
to start - i mean, this is the fourth time someone has been conversationally outed on this show that it just seems like they think "everyone is so accepting, why are we overthinking this?" because, earlier in ep4, charoen outed ongsa to tinh then instantly outed tinh to ongsa; in ep6, aylin outed ongsa (and technically sun) to luna; and in ep7, all of them essentially outed ongsa and sun to ton & mawin. though, i do view sun outing aylin and luna just now as accidental because the look of surprise on her face made it seem like she assumed they already knew the two were together since they mentioned them having dinner at luna's.
because sun is wrong in what she did, full stop, no ifs ands or buts. but she's still valid in her feelings. i think the only reason it seems everyone is more critical on sun doing it is because she did it in a moment of frustration and emotions whereas everyone else who did it was written off as "we're HELPING ongsa and sun get together, it's okay!" and we see someone being mad while doing something somehow worse than when someone else does the exact same thing but with "good intentions".
because, up until this point, sun has pretty much been the anchor holding this relationship up emotionally and mentally. every single time ongsa spiraled or self-sabotaged or something happened that put them on the rocks, sun immediately built her back up or centered them again. like, she pretty much instantly forgave her for lying/catfishing her for weeks if not months, always compliments and reassures her when ongsa refuses to talk to her, and even when everyone was doing the most to make her jealous she never made it ongsa's problem and just buried it to keep being nice to her. like, since she's recognized and accepted her feelings for ongsa (and honestly, even beforehand), sun has been 100% full steam ahead and no brakes for them to be together and to STAY together no matter what.
so it makes sense that after holding all that up for ages, she loses her cool. seeing how well her own family/their friends took to her dating ongsa, to deciding to give up her dream for the girl she literally went through hell and back with and professed her love to, then being told "no i want you to go anyway, don't tie our relationship to this" and immediately being denied twice to her face after it seemed like ongsa's parents were open to the idea, it all just kind of bubbled over for her and she tunnel-visioned on that moment and couldn't read the social cues anymore. like, you can see on her face the moment everything else faded away and she only could focus on what ongsa just said. again, she's 100% WRONG for doing it, no doubt about that because that should be done on ongsa's time and readiness, but it's understandable for a teen who is always praised for being so calm cool and collected to finally lose it when everything that was stacked up fell on her.
it's pretty well established that unless someone forces her to talk or sun brings it up first, ongsa won't start the tough conversations they need to have, and i doubt sun would have done it the way she did if they had a conversation earlier where ongsa was like "hey, i haven't talked to my parents about this yet". they both focused on the exchange program secret, but i think the perfect time to talk about telling ongsa's parents would have been either right after the dinner with sun's parents after the "you're okay with your daughter dating a girl?" comment or after alpha straight up told her that she couldn't hide it forever. because sure, we've seen that sun is very understanding of not wanting to tell people before, but i don't think sun ever thought that meant not telling their parents since sun outright told her own and they're constantly going over to each others houses and even staying the night. still, i think because ongsa just denied it so passionately, not even a "i might be dating someone" or "i have someone i like" or "i don't want to talk about it", on top of the insecurity of ongsa maybe throwing their relationship away so easily in her mind, and them not even properly finishing that conversation before they were interrupted? sun just blew up.
and i don't think it's really out of her character, either. because yes, sun is nice. she will help whoever she can just like it was shown in this episode with how she interacted with aylin; or in previous episodes like helping ongsa with basketball and telling the seniors about aylin's bullying. but also, we've been told, by sun herself, that when she's mad, she can be frightening. we've been shown that she's not a fan of outright lies or secrets (because really, her own secret was only kept for at most about two, maybe three, days before she told ongsa and it was mainly just her thinking about how to tell her/make the decision to ask her to come with then subsequently give it up). we notice that when she sees ongsa getting bullied by the basketball player, she's ready to step in because she's mad about it. she was ready to punch ton in the face for flirting with her crush. when she found out about ongsa being earth, she was pissed and just wanted explanations instead of apologies. even in episode 1, she was about to fight the people who had that video of them humiliating ongsa and she was "going to deal with them" but alpha/luna and teacher nida got to them first. the only reason it seems out of character to most is because sun has been put on this pedestal of pretty popular girl who is always nice and forgiving and no one has a bad thing to say about her. it's more the failure of bad scripting to never properly give us a sun POV outside of her relation to other characters, but i honestly think it's in-line with who she is: a nice and forgiving girl who also will not put up with herself (or others) being disrespected in any way. like, i'm sure you could sneeze at sun funny and she'd tell you off after saying bless you.
also i'm just pretty sure ongsa (and by extension, the show itself) will be less mad about this because she'll probably be all "well, i did lie to sun about my identity for so long even though i had multiple chances to tell her the truth and everyone else BUT her knew and actively hid it from her and even made plans to make her find out instead of just telling her. oh, and i never did actually tell that truth until she was forced to find out by herself and i was backed into a corner and she was still forced to be the one to make me talk about it. not to mention she fell in love with that lie, but still forgave me, so."
but also, i do hope it's talked about in some capacity? even just a "i wish you told me you didn't want your parents to know, i'm sorry" line would be good and them acknowledging a conversation should have been had about the ins and outs of their relationship because they're 16 and it's ongsa's (and maybe sun's, who knows) first proper relationship, so they're still figuring it out. but i wouldn't put it past gmmtv to not have that because i don't think they've ever viewed outing that way (again, as shown in earlier episodes of this show itself because no one else apologized for doing it).
no i was angry when aylin outed ongsa. dat was the first time i saw someone being outed in the show, ongsa hadn't told her friend yet and was panicking and it looked scary asf. cuz ongsa displays her fear of being outed on her sleeve, and its like really really visible, shes the only character we see always stressing abt being outed and dealing wit internal lesbophobia - das why we reacted the way we did seeing dis ep.
sun outing ongsa to HER PARENTS who she always showed fear of being exposed to, is obviously going to get her into some hot water.
@@yunjin1stfan aylin doing it was the second time someone outed, because chareon did it a few episodes earlier. and, like i said, alpha and luna then did it a couple episodes later. but most people, as shown in the comments, are hyper focused on sun and more angry at her than they were at the four other characters who did it, because they were “nice” and “helping”, and no one barely mentions that they did it too - that’s the point i’m making with that.
and i never said sun was right in doing it, she’s very wrong for doing it when ongsa wasn’t ready or willing. all i said was it was understandable WHY it happened the way it did. she tunnel-visioned and hard focused on that after everything else that has piled up on her.
and if we really want to split hairs on it, up until that dinner, ongsa has never shown that fear of being exposed to specifically her parents to sun yet. she’s only ever expressed not wanting people at school to know, because she mentioned it to their friends (and sun’s friends, which is why she later talked about it with ongsa cause it’s safe to assume they mentioned it to sun). all i said was that this would have and could have been avoided if ongsa ever outright said to sun “i do not want my parents to know” but she never did, even after they had dinner with sun’s parents. it makes sense why sun would think ongsa had mentioned it to her parents after she had been going there since they started dating and after they just got overtly accepted by her parents.
so again. her actions? wrong. her feelings? valid.
Are we watching the same show. She didn't do it out of frustration. She did it in conversation than ongsa denied it than she said it again because she wasn't going to let ongsa deny it after it was already said and yes the second time she was a bit angry for ongsa denying their relationship. But the first time was totally in conversation back and forth with the parents..
Sun didn't do anything wrong. She was put into a situation that set her up. Sun had no idea they were in a closeted relationship. Had she I have no doubt sun wouldn't have been so casual with Ongsa parents. Sun can't be blamed for not knowing. If anything makes me feel for her even more. How can you blame her for something ongsa was keeping secret from sun as well.
Sun literally thought everything was fine because ongsa never told her it wasn't. Look at how the conversation went with Sun and parents dinner invitation. Now sun was also getting invited by ongsa mom so why would she have thought on wait they don't know we are a couple and are inviting me as your friend. No she figured she was being invited as her girlfriend because that's what she is. And because Ongsa hasn't told her that her parents didn't know. Again there relationship wasn't secret so why would she have to go in to this situation cautious of what to say and not say. It's just silly how people aren't seeing that.
She wasn't wrong because she was going to the invite as her girlfriend not some secret girlfriend but her girlfriend. Ongsa was the one that had to let sun know an ongsa blind sided her.
@@lovelaugheagle5969 her outing aylinluna on accident was in casual conversation, her outing ongsa was definitely out of frustration of her saying she was dating anyone - you can see the frustration, hurt, and anger on her face before she says it.
but listen, i love sun, she's a great character overall. and i know my initial post is giving her validation in her feelings and reaction, but what she did was wrong for the situation. as a sapphic who was outed in a way close to how ongsa was, you don't ever out someone, regardless of what led up to the moment. sun thought everything was fine and great, she thought ongsa might have already told her parents since they were always together, and she's valid in being mad that none of that was true. but she IS wrong for outing her - that's the only wrong thing she did. it should have ended at "so you're never going to tell your parents about me?" and she either should have gotten up and left or pulled ongsa aside and asked what's going on. not out her, that's what she did wrong.
sun has valid complaints and reactions and feelings for 99% of all this, because up until that moment in the episode, you can't say sun did anything wrong. her genuinely only fuck up this episode is the outing, let's not act like it's not. she was blind-sided, she was hurt, she was mad, and ongsa should have warned her beforehand especially since she had three separate chances to do so (after dinner with sun's parents since she made it a moment to question that they were okay with them dating, after her talk with alpha when she brought up their mom finding out, and right before dinner with ongsa parents - she literally could have just quickly said "don't mention us dating") but that doesn't mean that you out someone out of those feelings.
sun is valid in not wanting to be a secret, especially since she's so loud and proud about loving and being with ongsa. but sun IS wrong about actively outing her.
@@deonya I'm a person who has to hide my relationship and no sun wasn't wrong. Sun didn't know she wasn't out to her parents. Sun had every right to know. So she wasn't blind sided. I tell all my partners that I'm not out before we even start dating. So Ongsa is in the wrong. Anyone who has been in hidden relationships should tell their partners if they don't than the fault falls on them not their partner. You trick your partner into believing everything is good. Only to put your partner in the closet when they aren't a closeted person and didn't know they were in a closeted relationship. Nah that's wrong than pushing blame because you want to blame anyone but yourself for your choices.
You are basically saying hey I know I tricked you and you didn't know I wasn't out. But it's still your fault. That's BS..
funny how SUN is the one outing ongsa and everybody else yet the comments are all attacking ongsa. sun is innocent and pure and has no flaws in yalls eyes apparently. ongsa is the one dealing wit internal lesbophobia and fear of being outed and disowned. yet everyone is blaming ongsa? sun saw ongsa asking questions at dinner wit her parents on whether they support their lesbian relationship or not, clearly she was worried abt rejection from suns parents, so sun should KNOW already not to OUT people.
As someone who has to hide their relationships. I will defend sun as well. The first thing we do is let our potential partner know we aren't out and that we can't be. Give them the choice whether to stay or leave. Ongsa kept both sun and her parents in the dark. So this is the consequences of not being honest and not communicating with her partner. Sun isn't at fault because Ongsa not telling sun is what put her in the situation. So yes it's ongsa fault.
@@lovelaugheagle5969 girl. sun was aware they werent out to their parents, sun doesnt need to be TOLD not to out somebody
@@yunjin1stfan No she wasn't aware of it.. When did ongsa tell her she wasn't out to her parents please post the clip and time stamp
in my point of view This is the best gl of 2024
People their characters are high school kids, teenage years are days where you don't think much of things and they grew up differently, it's part of growth for me
I think the big factor here is they're still in that age/phase wherein they don't truly think of the consequences of whatever actions they do. We're all forgetting that they're still in adolescent age. Sun (which is an extrovert) was expecting the same thing from Ongsa (obviously an introvert), no wonder she'll walk out after getting denied by your own girlfriend. You can't expect them to be quick-witted all the time, they're still young afterall.
Kuddos to the 23.5 team! My highschool heart is sooo happy, seeing myself in your series makes me want to reminisce the old times!
I'm one of those comments against what Sun did. Yes, she feels disappointed that her girlfriend hides their relationship from her parents, but please we are talking about parents here. Even taking out the factor of homosexually, many people aren't comfortable to talk to their parents about their relationship for different reasons. Sun apparently has a different dynamic with her parents and she assumes that it's the same for Ongsa. I understand on some degree if she's ignorant about the parent situation, but since Ongsa was hesitant to reveal the truth she could have at least waited to finish dinner and ask her directly. To me that kind of behaviour seems so insensitive and childish even for their age..😌
When Aylin started crying when Sun approached her I started crying too. Aylin it must have been so hard for you
I can't believe Sun just outed all 4 of them and left like she is the victim... I would not appreciate that, in Aylin, Luna, and especially Ongsa's place.
U just have to understand both of ongsa and suns pov
Poor ongsa she is suffering a lot😭
3:09 the moment Aylin cried my heart 💔💔
I was as ready as i could be to cry this episode big i literally started bawling my eyes out no even a minute in, i am not even exaggerating 😭😭 I was not expecting this first scene and started crying so hard and harder when Ton even cried 😭❤️🩹
Teacher Bam Bam is adorable 🥰🥰🥰 the way she was blushing so much omg I get why Teacher Nida likes her hehe
Maybe ongsa has a reason of not telling of her mother about her relationship of sun because he just afraid that her parent will not accept them and hurt sun.. But the result is sun feels betrayed of hiding the relationship between them and it hurt him so much
yes. Ongsa panicked. in the book her mom is super homophobic
I like how I understand why Ongsa did what she did and why Sun did what she did.
I just wish this show existed when I was in high school, it would've helped a lot when I didn't know any better and nowhere to look to for guidance or even the right kind of advice. So, to all the youngins watching this show. Watch carefully and learn, you are lucky to have this kind of enlightenment without having to experiment and make every mistake.
Now you will have knowledge and have a more educated mindset in making decisions in this aspect of life. You will still make mistakes, yes, but they will be the kind that are worth it.
Teacher Nida and Teacher Bambam together are so cute ❤❤❤
Aylin finally speaks out😢...
Two episodes should be released 😭😭😭😭😭
I cant wait for the next Episode 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺
Honestly I'd have a breakdown too if my girlfriend outed me in front of my parents
Same omg if I was ongsa idk what I would done to sun
I will never understand most of Ongsa's choices
Her problem is her confidence and negative thinking
@BlueSinthek I understand fam. It was just fir the effect, a way of talking
Novel Ongsa is 10x worst 🙃 novel Sun is the real survivor
Can you please tell me where the novel is available? Is it also in English translation? @@s.r.7553
@@s.r.7553what happened in the novel?
NidaBambam are so cute I adore them so much 😭😭😭
i'm so mad at sun rn. it was SO obvious that ongsa was not ready to tell her parents about them and sun still told them PLUS she told them about aylin and luna when ongsa was clearly trying to change the subject. ngl sun shouldn't even be mad when she's the one who outed ongsa without her consent- like what is she even mad about 😭
My god, gotta wait till next week now. 😭😭😭
To everyone out here bashing sun for outing both the couples... She didn't know that she wasn't supposed to talk about it with their parents. She didn't directly say that aylin and Luna were dating. She just mentioned how her going with them would be third wheeling. So idk maybe ongsa should've told sun that she isn't that open about these things with her parents. Tbh I empathise more with sun than with ongsa. But I guess it just depends on who we can relate to in the end.
just because sun has supportive parents doesnt mean everyone has. Like she didnt need to out ongsa like that ahgrwhaew🙁
I literally rewind the scene when aylin cried after her friend comforted her. I was really moved and touched❤
Ugh, I'm so sad... I understand both sides because Sun is so used to her parents being understanding and accepting towards LGBTQ+ people that she probably can't see why it would be a big deal for other parents. Ongsa should've told her that her mom is not as supportive and that she was scared to tell them. I hate that I have to wait a whole week with this drama😭
I thought crying for Aylin was the hard part for this episode, that ending totally caught me off guard
the teachers deserve their own gl I love them 😭 I also love the luckyXunlucky trope
NIDABAMBAM GOT ME SCREAMING 😭😭😭
I was ready to cry until next Friday but next week's preview is too funny 😅 Ongsa going crazy and trying to win Sun back will be great to see🤣😍
I need a teacher spin off they are so cute. Also i get ongsa. As someone who isnt sure abt my sexuality and whether im straight or not, its hard to just say things when youre not comfortable with.
I mean it's also hard for ongsa, she hasn't come out to her parents yet. Quite dissapointed that sun doesn't understand her situation
but ongsa should've told sun that she wasn't ready to tell tell their relationship yet to her parents
I'm glad Ongsa is mature enough to let their her partner the person she loves pursue her dreams.
I'm happy she's not selfish
WTFFFFF SUN HOW COULD YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT!?!? She lived under a rock her whole life and doesn't understand not everyone is safe!?!? Like if it were so easy queer people wouldn't have struggles. The fuck's your problem
FRR
The break up preview having funny ongsa 😮🤣 can't wait for episode 11 🥰
i love sun but outing people like that is just so messed up and not okay at all. even if you know that their parents will be supportive it’s still not right. you can’t be mad just because someone doesn’t feel comfortable coming out.
Omg I was bawling my eyes out when Aylin started crying 😭 the way everyone listened and comforted her was so sweet. This show is so beautiful, I love it sm 💕
No way sun just outed all 4 of them 💀💀💀💀
I have never read the novel , I see few novel reader telling ongsa mom is a damn homophobic that is the reason why ongsa is afraid ~ then team 23.5 should have shown her mom's horrible behaviour before this so that we can understand ongsa's fear ! Till now they have shown their parents so supportive so its kinda so confusing 🧘🏽♀️
It was very sad to watch Aylin break down when speaking about her past. I love how Sun comforted her in that moment, although I did expect it to be Luna.
I’m still shocked that the writers didn’t engage in a conversation about ASD and how it also impacts social communication.
i think sun is wrong for outing aylin, ongsa and their relationship because sun doesnt know ongsa's parents and how they will react just because ongsa doesnt wanna tell it to her parents doesnt mean she is not taking it seriously because some parents are really strict and can even beat their kids for that
Right and then Aylin and Luna caught strays as well
@@bog4543right if ongsa's mother asks aylin about this thing aylin will be curious on how she learned that and when aylin finds out it is sun who outed her their friendship can be harmed and her trust in people as aylin is already so secretive and just started to make friends
I understand Sun is sad when Ongsa deny the relation between them but we need to understand Ongsa too she was not ready to tell her parents
Ongsa should have told her she wasn’t out to her parents before this.
But ongsa felt first.
Teacher Bambam and Teacher Nida are so sweet, please make a separate TV series for them.
Wanna hug aylin really tightly goshh she is really a good actress I loved her so much ❤️
The parents aren't even fazed by Aylin and Luna dating, why is my darling Ongsa so scared😢... Poor Sun😢😢😢
FRRR
Not exactly. Sometimes parents thought it's ok to be gay only if not my child.
@@lucykuotw I understand what you mean... sad reality we live in.
@@lucykuotw sadly i know a lot of parents like this, including my own. i really felt Ogsa's fear there :/
@@lucykuotwmy parents were like this so I understand where Ongsa was coming from
The 2 teachers are too cute
Leaving aside the characters, I have to say the actors did a very good job in this episode, and I hope MilkLove has another series
I’m ready to cry RIGHT NOW
One of the best series everrr
Can't wait gmmtv to make more gl seriesss🎉❤