The problem with Neuvillette is that any indirect way of nerfing him would drag many other characters and teams onto the drain: You either make hydro dmg useless on the middle of each abyss 12 side, make an anti projectile mechanic on the enemies or an ultra specific case that can target him, like an enemy that takes away the droplets or an enemy that lowers the damage of multihit hitboxes
Thing is, his Charge attack doesn't count as a projectile. The way it's programmed, it doesn't travel forward but just exists like a zone in the entire area in front of you. For example the wood shield Mitachurl can block every projectile with his shield but Neuvi's Charge attack goes right through it.
To compliment everything that has been said in this video: I don't look at how strong a character is before pulling. So I didn't know how strong Neuvilette was when I pulled. After building him I went from not clearing floor 12 to easy 36 star clears.
One "nerf" I could see coming is adding enemies that inflict healing reduction% on you. Not bond of life but straight healing reduction%. Honestly, I had expected that as a nerf to both Furina and Neuvillette for a long time now and I thought they were going to do that to promote shields and bond of life mechanics.
You could add Arl to that since she can rival Neuv's damage. Furina/Xilo/Kazuha ( is just a power house combination for non-dendro/geo comps. Just replace Kazuha in Geo teams.
@@amphiptered.5355she actually doesnt even come close to neuvi's level,cause even tho she has high damage she has inconsistency since it scales on the amount of BoL she has while neuvi damage will stay the same throughout the whole duration
Hoyo did TRY to nerf him, they called it a 'bug fix' but we all know it was a nerf, by adding a limit to how fast he could turn while using his charged attack. It wouldn't matter if your mouse was set to a million DPI, you could no longer pressure wash the spiral abyss floor with the Fidget Spinner strat. Problem was the fandom, particularly the Chinese playerbase, was OUTRAGED by that so they reverted it. He can't be nerfed because too many people would be pissed at this point.
I'd say it is definitely a fix, as I don't think he was ever meant to spin that fast. Hoyoverse just doesn't care as much about mouse and keyboard controls, or PC in general. It's why Dehya has her "get frozen, lose burst" issues on PC (although you can hold alt, then click to avoid that issue, but that's just clunky), but not on phone/controller. It's why their rhythm games have the notes spread way wide, because they are meant for a small screen. They are/were sloppy, so they let it go live without testing, and they didn't pay attention the moment it first started being done on release.
@@Axterix13 Tbh it probably wouldn't have been a problem, or as big of a problem, if they did this during his first banner or shortly after that, but they waited until the end of his rerun THEN nerf him. Even if it could be counted as a fix, it would still be a nerf. It was pretty scummy ngl
I remember getting a 10-pull from Hoyo and wondering WTF it was for (I don't have Neuvillette). Hoyo never does that, so I got suspicious, and found out about this nerf + reversion. Made me want Neuvillette even more. :)
@@bencesilye4911What’s even worse is that Mualani was also scheduled to release the patch after (Who was insanely broken in the beta, she’s cracked nowadays but before she was absolutely bonkers), and that made people assume that Hoyo waited until before Mualani’s release to nerf Neuvillette so people would pull for Mualani in the next patch. Even if it was just a bug fix the timing was horrendous, fixing a bug that had been present for quite a few patches only for it to supposedly be fixed the patch just before another Hydro DPS released. They couldn’t have timed it worse.
the way they are probably going to do it is to heavily focus on attack scalers and non hydro reactions to boost their power up to and above neuvilettes level
I still remember when solo Neuvillette was one of the most common teams to run during his release patch's abyss because he was so absurdly powerful and the abyss buff gave him an extra crit circlet by default. And I assure you, you did not need to be a tryhard to accomplish that feat--he was just that good of a unit, and he's only become even more of a monster since
I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Monsieur Neuvillette. I try to play Diluc. My Monsieur Neuvillette deals more damage. I try to play Wanderer. My Monsieur Neuvillette deals more damage. I try to play Cyno. My Monsieur Neuvillette deals more damage. I want to play Furina. Her best team has Monsieur Neuvillette. He grabs me by the throat 😩. I killed countless innocent seals for him. I farm marachussy hunter set for him. I give him my Baizhu's R5 prototype amber. He isn't satisfied. I give him my Yae's Kagura's Verity. "I don't need this passive" He tells me. "Just give me interrupt resistance" He grabs Zhongli and forces him to erect his pillar and shield him. "You just need to pull my C1. I can deal more damage and not need Zhongli anymore" I can't pull for his C1, I don't have enough primogems. He grabs my credit card. It declines. "Guess this is the end." A bunch of Gardes and Gardemeks appeared. He says "Gardes, escort them to the Fortress of Meropide." There is no hint of sadness in his eyes. Nothing but pure, unaldurated damage from his insane multipliers and aoes. What a cruel world.
@@Daddy_Of_soraML lets be honest, Neuvillette is exactly what a 5 star version of Xiangling looks like... Literally EVERYTHING buff both of them, and there is absolutely no way for the devs to get rid of either of them without crippleing 4/5 of the entire chartacter roaster along the process... unless.... oh, god, we gonna end up getting damage reflecting enemies, so high dmg characters end up killing themselves even with the best healers, didnt we? ... ... ... i see a dark future ahead of us...
@@onee-chansplaytoy5863 i mean yeah, he's anime-pretty but he's also a white haired government worker who help clean up the messes of everyone around him. He also wears baggy clothes and has a cane. His vibe is a very cool middle aged gentleman.
@@mordakie3805 True and please let us forward that to the zzz team too because the situation is even more dire there. At least in genshin the characters look ambiguously like teenagers but could be adults, zzz has characters that look 9 and the game tells you It's an adult (biggest offender being piper, even her hairstyle looks childish, then the game pretends like she's middle aged and then you have lolicons going around publically saying they'r into her and using hoyo's non sensual writing to say : "see ? Hoyo says she's an adult so It's ok I'm into her even tho she looks like a kindergardner and even NPCs in the game say she looks like a little girl"
@@megh405 Speedrunning isnt the meta, and I say this as someone who spents 500+ resets on a chamber trying to kill the abyss yumakasaur in 16 seconds instead of 17 seconds. The average player will have a far easier time clearing most chambers with their c0/1 neuvilette than Ganyu Lyney even Arlechinno because of how easy it is for him to hit multiple targets and self sustain. While you can group characters manually to offset Neuvi's advantage the avg player is honestly pretty bad at this game...
The one time they tried to nerf him (remove spin to win) they literally got so much backlash from the CN community that they had to release an entire apology statement and give a 10 pull worth in primogems, if they tried to nerf him again I don't see it ending well lmao
That was not a "bug". They just realised they wanted more money and he's just too good for new hydro units to compete. Archons should be strong units. Neuvillette is a sovereign dragon ( Archon level) and is a dps unlike the Archons. It makes sense for him to be an OP dps. They tried to backtrack
@@malacoda9421 Sovereign dragons are waaayy higher than Archon level. The Archon's power comes from a 'part' of their Elemental dragon's power. They have complete control over their element, Archon's only have partial control. Archon's usually also have power other than the power given to them by being an Archon but it's not even close the Elemental dragons. (Traveller and Nahida basically beg in front of a weakened Apep, and almost get destroyed just by the immune system of Apep's body)
@@blazikenfury8852 Nahia was imprisoned and still a child. A traveller is missing his prime powers. Gods are strong beings. Prime Zhongli wasn't an Archon but still had continental altering Power. Ei ( who wasn't an Archon) Sliced through Islands with one strike. Archons were Apex gods of their respective elements. A sovereign dragon at 100 health would scale higher than An Archon with 100 health. That doesn't mean Archons are by any way weak. They are close to Sovereign Dragons. Sovereign Dragons were forced to use Forbidden knowledge against Archons but still lost in the end.
@@malacoda9421 The Sovereign Dragons fought against the Primordial One and his Four Shades, not the Archons. The only "Archon" who fought a Sovereign Dragon is Xbalanque, but that was after the Pyro Sovereign Dragon(and even then, it is just a theory that it was the Pyro Sovereign Dragon) was already weakened. Additionally he wasn't an Archon at that point either.
The trend with Fontaine characters that I noticed personally is that many of them are incredibly self sufficient, often being able to do damage, healing, and buffs all by themselves.
Easily 100k per tick is a stretch. In fact, you'll only ever see those numbers on stunned enemies (looking at the stunned geo horse golem). 100k per tick is ONLY assuming R1, near perfect artifact stats on every single piece for Neuvillette (Above 45k hp, 300% crit damage and above, while still some crit rate rolls here and there), talents maxed for him, as well as for Furina and Xilonen. So no, not easily. But still "doable" with some hefty artifact grinding. Only with his C1 it becomes somewhat easier to get to 100k. A decently built Neuvillette (aka a realistic build, no signature and no double crit on all pieces, same team members + proto amber) will get you anywhere between 50 and 60k, and that's still a lot of damage.
He was the first character that as an F2P, I could use by himself and clear a floor in around ~65 to 75 seconds. That is the only character till 5.1 I’d say could ever do that
I skipped neuvillette cuz I wanted wriothesley so badly and ended up getting wriothesley c6 Then got c0 neuvillette and his weapon in his rerun (in a f2p way) and just soloed the abyss with just this two, one was c6 the other c0 and neuvillette was almost able to be on the same level as the c6 It wasn't even funny-
im glad that Neuvi is so absurdly powerful because as it stands in the lore, he SHOULD be the most powerful character we've met in-game. he's THE Hydro Sovereign, with his full divine power willingly restored to him by Focalors. having him be anything less than top tier would be a disservice to the incredible writing they gave him as a character imo
@@Daddy_Of_soraMLProbably. Although the Authority is not the only source of power. Remember that the deeds of Rex Lapis in the Archon War were before he gained the Geo Gnosis. Even Neuvillette seems to think that if it did come to combat between himself and Morax, it would be a very big fight.
@@AkemiHomura771 Even with the flesh rotted, Capitano is still the First of the Eleven Fatui Harbingers, and went toe to toe with the Archon of the Nation of War. I have hopes for him. I like his design, I like his personality, and he is presumably going to be Harbinger strong and perhaps save Cryo. Maybe even stronger than Arlecchino, considering that he is the First and the powercreep lately. I have only one character fully built as a DPS, and it’s Neuvillette (Hyperbloom Nahida does not count). Capitano is the first new DPS to speak to me since Neuvillette, and as I say, I have hopes for him. If only his gameplay is appealing to boot.
@@animationlover219 he probably isn't that strong since he's not important enough to get a high position or he's decently strong but not intelligent enough
The formula is the same between HP and ATK scalers. The reason why HP scalers are so broken is because there are basically no HP% buffers, so they need to be good at a baseline.
The HP scalers also are much more survivable. A 20k hp character, especially with the likes of Furina draining their hp, has to be somewhat careful. A 40k hp one? That's a much larger margin of safety.
when he was announced - "wow, both the eng va of sukuna from jjk and jp va. i must pull" when i first got him - "hydro? wow so broken ill play him with dendro" when i first played him - "why tf does stuff dies before the bloom pops?" now - "shhh, be with your family and finish the abyss fast enough that it won't matter whos on the next team" :)
One thing I love about Neuvillette is that his playstyle makes you feel like an actual deity of the Hydro element Most of the characters including the Archons employ the same hacking and slashing mechanic that 90 of the cast uses so it doesn’t really feel like you are playing like gods at all. Take Raiden’s burst for example, a lot of other Electro characters have better bursts than het
SO TRUE some find him boring but this is exactly the point of his gameplay rise one hand lean on cane with the other and strikes everything effortlessly
Gotta love how Neuvillette is one of the most pacifist characters in terms of writing yet he could proba ly solo a majority of the verse by shooting a big ol' civil right beams
At this point trying to outscale neuvilette would probably be a mistake. In general the hydro element feels a little full unless you want to just powercreep the characters.
This is just not true LOL the HP pool in abyss has been roughly the same for like two years now. The highest HP boss TO THIS DAY is still only like 2.3mil unless it's the Tulpa who has 3mil (cause you can vape it for free lmao) and Neuv can't even fight the Tulpa. Your niche teams will be fine.
@@justsomeguy727 That's literally not true. Total Hp poll for each chamber has a trend of increasing with each cycle. Not to mention they add more multiwave enemies and shields
@@devaughnpage he nearly peaks his damage at C3. C6 is mainly the coordinated attacks and infinite water cannon. Unless you really really want to C6, it's better to stop invest at C3 and invest in cons for his optimal supports, such as C2 Furina and C2 Xilonen etc
HP, ATK, DEF and EM scaling work the same way, thing is there are ways which can buff Atk(Bennett, Nobless, Tenacity, most weapon passives and many food buffs), def scalers have Gorou and EM scalers have Nahida, Instructor set, Dendro resonance etc. but HP has nothing, so they give baseline higher multipliers to HP scalers to comepensate to keep it balanced and easier for casual players who might not use optimal teams. Thing is you can buff HP scalers through others ways like dmg bonus. crit, and res shred, all of which Neuvi can abuse with Furina, Kazuha, Xilonen. Btw Def didn't get the same treatment because it scales better as a defensive stat if shields are included(which is why Itto has a passive which actively reduces his resistances to not make him not be able to build offense and defense at the same time).
Yelan's C4 can buff HP% though lol. (Or is it her C2 idk, one of her cons) Furina's C2 buffs her own HP too. So does Candace's C2. Furina's weapon also gives extra HP It's not that HP can't be buffed, it's just that there are no kits who can do that at C0 rn. And reducing res on Itto during his burst is honestly so dumb, I don't understand why Noelle who does like 90% as much damage as Itto C0 at C6 with his weapon as is a 4* can HEAL, SHIELD, and deal that much damage without any debuffs but Itto can't. That's just unfair
Yeah I was gonna reply this as well. He's easy to build because they compensated for the lack of HP% buffs with a higher base multiplier, not because he scales with less stats. Adding more stats a character scales off of makes them even stronger in the long run, because multiple smaller multipliers combining add up much more than if you had fewer, but higher multipliers. We're already seeing that with Mualani, who scales really well with elemental mastery too. Neuvillette's reaction cooldown limits him to only being able to vape 1/3 of his hits, which hard limits his effectiveness with reactions, but Mualani can vape every hit so she feels the full effects of having access to an additional multiplier. Since her release she's been blowing away the speed run charts on both high investment and low investment scales. For example earlier I saw a 30 second cumulative clear of all 3 chambers in top half this abyss with a team with only 2 C0 5*s & 1 signature weapon. The 4*s weren't even C6 either.
The thing about Neuvi is that he has good aoe damage compared to other dps, in single target there are more dps that can out damage him, but ni aoe like with trash mobs or 2 bosses he will dominant by a high margin. He also has no down time compered to others as well as self sufficient and no draw backs. Overall he is over tuned than most dps.
Yeah, and he does with the low investment. There are other characters that can utterly demolish things as well. Like a Chiori with cons, also backed by Xil, is an absolute monstrosity as well. She'll delete enemies with 100k+ hits, left and right, auto-targeting things. Xil made her the best off-field damage dealer in the game... provided you are willing to give up 4-5 potential new characters just to get her and Xil to c4/c2 respectively. Bosses just melt, while trash mobs are just auto-deleted. But that takes multiple constellations to do, so a much higher investment.
I genuinely dont know how youd nerf Neuvilette without straight up killing every other hydro unit. Neuvilette's gameplay is simple and thats to his benefit, if you go with the most boring idea and start spamming hydro immune enemies: you are taking Yelan and Xingqiu down first, more enemey hp: if Neuvilette cant kill an enemy, who the hell can? Even Arlechino and Mualani would suffer from something like that and they have higher ceilings than Neuvilette Its kind of a catch 22, unless they get uber specific with it, nerfing Neuvilette is gonna be a blow to everyone else first.
Speed. You powercreep neuvellete with cleartimes. That is what mualani is essentially doing. She doesn't deal more rotational dmg than him , and is harder to play with significant caveats, but what she has in return is ability to clear time limited content faster than neuvellete by a pretty significant margin.
@@mayukhmondal5552 yea, but speed isn't making him worse. Speed only matters to speedrunners and speedrunning is not a metric to determine balance or strength of a character anyway
@@Why-ci5mk well be it, Mualani is better than Neuvellete for a niche, but that niche still exists. I have both, c0r1 mualani and c1r1 neuvellete. I still run mualani because she has potential to clear faster and I like that.
@@mayukhmondal5552it’s your choice then but limiting the time will powercreep many dpses which isn’t worth and mualani is no where close to powercreep him since she has good dmg ceiling but not consistent. You know what’s the biggest downside of nukes? One crit miss and you’ll lose a huge chunk of dmg. I also have mualani but I don’t like to play her because she’s a bit clunky for me(talking about myself here) and even with 80cr she’s missing many crit(4/10 maybe) which is not good.
@@mayukhmondal5552 That's respectable, I tend to use both, but if we used certain niches as a measurement of strength, a lot of tier lists would be skewed. While mualani has the potential to have the highest damage in the game or at least the highest nuke, this requires a lot of resetting especially in the abyss. Her speedrunning teams include r5 widsith, instructor sucrose, petra xiangling, xilonen amd ideally with fitting abyss cards. So you have a 2/3 chance of getting a useful buff for mualani through widsith, no one uses petra on xiangling and instructor isn't preferred on sucrose either. Basically what I'm saying is that speedrunning as a niche is very inconsistent due to units being built in ways they wouldn't be otherwise just to minimize clear times, a bunch of bugs like certain characters being able to skip PMA and maguu kenki animations also skewing data, abyss buffs and cards benefiting certain characters over others etc. Additionally most players don't care about speedrunning. I wholeheartedly agree that mualani is the best speedrunner in the game, but when it comes to ranking units, you can't look at a certain niche, but instead at the entire thing.
i wont deny the fact that i really really loved those rant videos with tons of cussing and some background gameplay, but its so awesome seeing you build your career and seeing the quality of your vids going up over time. nice work🙏
9:05 don't use Xilonen skill+2 hits first, because if you're not reacting with hydro to crystalise, you aren't proccing her 4pc effect and you miss out on not just a lot of damage, but also a draconic stack on Neuvi :)
The best thing is hearing that Ororon is going to be just as good as Xilonen for Neuvillette taser teams. God do I hope he's with Neuv and Zhongli's banners for 5.2 I want all 3 and have none and I don't want Chasca or Lyney.
Can't even convince me to pull for him on his 2nd rerun. I know there are also other boring gameplays in Genshin, but Neuvillette power washer is just something I can never like, even if it's strong.
It's fine because neuv existing doesn't matter to anybody's account except the people who own Neuvillette lmao It's why I hate this framing Soul and many others tend to do where they act like the game is saying play Neuvillette or suffer and that's just not true at all LOL
I ask myself if Neuvillette was unintended to be that strong since he was released BEFORE Wriothesley, which is a pretty inconvenient character without C1
My favorite character is wriothesley so I skipped neuvillette to get wriothesley c6, later got c0 neuvillette And even I With c6 wriothesley who's top 2% need to admit that c0 neuvillette (now with xilonen and kazuha) does almost the same dmg as my c6 wriothesley
@gustavogu7733 he's the coolest character for me and I love him so I don't really care lol He's very very strong also, neuvillette at c0 being close to him doesn't change that
I would say that they could get rid of his camera exploit to make him more balanced, but they tried that by limiting how fast he could rotate and people tried to sue them for it. At least then he wouldn't be overshadowing the characters with AoE hydro setups.
my neuv team is complete, just gonna focus on mavuika team now. thanks hoyo for making neuv playable finally dealing 90k per tick and its not even the ceiling yet. god dayum.
Nah dude imagine doing this thing in coop where you buff your friend and then leave allowing you to "use" 6 characters and going with furina, ororon, xilonen, kazuha and Bennett all in the same team just to super buff some c6 r5 neuvillette so he can do... I don't even know how much per tic at this point
Neuvillette literal Powerful unit, even Japanese forum already said that thing. I never plan to get him before but i change my mind, after I saw how crack his mechanics and kit (He can deal DMG while healing himself, + his DMG increase based in Hydro reaction (Hyper bloom is one of hydro reaction, with multiple layer). I'm not regret getting C1 Neuvillette)
Me neither C1 makes him not need zhongli (who is a dps loss) and makes furina a better support for him because he gets a built in charged attack dmg stack while activating hydro resonance
I'm the opposite tbh. I like more balanced characters powerwise. Nuevillette is way too powerful and too easy to use. Beating the game using him feels cheap. I'll be skipping him and act like he doesn't exists until they somehow nerf him in the future.
I was saving for him all last year once we got the Fontaine leaks. I love dragons and hydro characters so it was perfect. I didn’t realize he’d be so insane when I got his C6 R1 the day he dropped😅
Neuvillette and Acheron really ruined the perception of what is a “good” dps for their respective games. IMO, they should be seen as the exception or anomaly rather than a new standard.
I may have Mualani but i still wnt Neuvillette. hes just too good not to have and i love his classy persona hes got going on. My mualanmi hits like a truck but i missed out on both Neuvies becauswe i took a break from genshin during fontaines run and recently returned for natlan. i keep kicking myself for missing out on neuvillette.
That’s nice. I’m happy for Neuvillette mains. As Lisa main, it’s always nice to see players find character they enjoy. I know the game is broken now and started got left in the dust long ago but I still get excited when my Lisa drops a 70k+ ^-^
Pulled him cuz I liked his design, risking my Furina guarantee (but won 5050 to her tho), never thought this man singlehandedly changed the way I saw abyss and any type hard content in the game, now I can use teams without him and 36 star but he was the starting spark, so that I gave him C1 and R1 (he is the first limited 5 star con I pulled) and a fully well built team which became my warmup chill team giving me more time to do experiments and new teams on the other side lol... Aside from that unlike other characters badly needing Bennet to make a difference, this man doesn't mind when I need Furina for the other side so I literally have more support options for my 2nd team to shine, all he basically need is three (now two after) different applicators and a Layla or Zhongli lol...
Then they should kill Mavuika and have her be resurrected as one of If she dies, Divine Throne is gone and she gets her full Sovereign powers right away
neuvi is my safety net when it comes to abyss easy to build eas to play not gated by crit rate weapons easy consistent damage output while not needing any form of super optimal rotation to do it
Neuvillette is my favorite and my strongest character, I love him a lot, but I am not so sure he is the most overpowered, cause we still have Arleccino.
Technically devs try to balance him in abyss. Because after his reran they put a hidro immune mobs or bosses in one of half or put same enemy with shields. Well it didn't work so good because you still can play him in another half.
Ngl. Even on hydro immune abyss it didn't felt like they were safe at all. Since neuvillette can slot in whoever. If it's hydro immune maybe use fischl or navia or the new ororon or any sub dps.
If they released an absurdly high +ATK buffer, like two Bennets welded together with team healing, that might break him. He doesn't need the healing and doesn't scale off +ATK.
I somehow managed to get him after getting lyney when fontaine first came out, and then I got his signature weapon, and then furina I prefer arlecchino when it comes to speed and smacking enemies, but boy I love this guy
the only way to nerf him is by making an abyss where every single character has a hydro res/immunity, but even then kazuha + xilonen's res shred will still help him (I can get 53k tics on the centaur boss in the new abyss)
Xilonen is absurd. She buffed my Mono Pyro C2 Arlecchino so hard, I was doing 200k damage per SLASH with her. No reactions, no vaporize, NOTHING. Each click did 200k And that's with her skill at Talent level 6. It's only going to get higher.
I got C2 R1 Arlecchino and C2 R1 Xilonen, but she does lile 100k on the first hits and then falls off very quickly. She's sadly a down grade from C6 Chevreuse.
the only way to "nerf" neuvilette is to lift up the other units. Change some of the weaker reactions, bring in more dedicated supports like Shenhe and Chevrolette but make em actually compete or even eclipse generalists like Bennett and Furina. Release modern onfield or offield DPS for said elements. The genie is out of the bottle, you can't nerf him so now you have to build around this new standard. Mualani and Arlechino have managed that pretty well.
I love Neuv and Arlechinno because their kits are pretty strong, self-sufficient, and, technically not burst-reliant so you can also use them in over-world. Here’s a video idea. Do a history of Genshin quality of life improvements and rate each of them on quality and impact…or backhanded, manipulative scamminess…whichever, lol
The thing with Neuvillette is that he has a very intuitive kit. Yes, he's strong, but there are other characters that put up bigger numbers and/or can compete with his. I guarantee that even if he dealt less damage, people would still play him and get faster clears with him, because of how intuitive his kit is.
I'm F2P and somehow managed to get Furina, Kazuha AND Xilonen, and Neuvilette is soon coming in 5.2 acording to the rumors. Oooh boy I gotta get farming for that garanteed ASAP
the reason why neuvillette is so strong is because he was (when he came out) balanced around the fact that there are not a lot of ways to buff hp scaling characters. Now we have furina and xilonen who are able to buff him and thanks to that neuvillette got a much bigger buff than other characters. You could nerve him If you release new powerfull suports who buff attack or em scaling characters. You could make suports who can enhance reaction dmg (for ex. vaporize no has a 2x multiplier rather than 1.5x) neuvillette can take advantage of those buffs but his reactions aren't doing that much dmg and it would be a dps loss if you play them over his current best supports (kazuha, furina, xilonen).
With xilonen addition on my neuvillete team replaced zhongli, the damage increased from 75k to 105k+ is overwhelming. One side of the abyss can easily be demolished.
An easy way to make him worse is just to have the abyss include enemies with inate hydro auras, like the majority of recent abysses have had on at least one side.
I'm not well versed in Genshin combat, I have a weak team with Anemo Traveler, Shinobu, Xiangling, and Neuvilette that probably only works because he's carrying the team and dealing the most damage when the other characters are dead
Bro my prototype r5 neuvillete not only heals himself but already restores health and energy to my whole team 18% of their hp and 18 energy that's really decent comes handy in abyss
For now I watched every single video on your channel (how are you doing them so fast???) and can say that TL;DR of your channel is "every time devs mess up balancing, they end up power creeping everything"
As someone who have Neuvillette at C6R4, the biggest problem with him is that most of his problems are essentially fixed by his C1, which makes sense-it’s a similar case to C1 Wriothesley or Hu Tao. However, the amount of improvement that C1 brings is just too much. The free stack to play him with Furina is acceptable, but the huge interruption resistance is excessive. If that resistance were placed at something like C4/C6 as a bonus, he would be a more balanced character. That way, you'd still have to remember that enemies can destroy your rotation if you aren’t careful enough or don’t have a shield. He heals more than he loses HP with Arlecchino and Clorinde, and the Bond of Life mechanic makes both of them difficult to play for new players, but at least it's rewarded with good damage. Neuvillette, on the other hand, doesn't have that high-risk, high-reward mechanic, which is the reason why he feels much more broken.
they’re just characters, you don’t have to use them, I pulled him, i’m barely getting around to building him, i just put him on field for the first time the other day. It’s hard to want to use him when razor exists. I have meta I just don’t always use it, i tend to play video games for fun, not because i got a number fetish.
things get out of hand quite quickly even with dolphin levels of constellation rolls that would have been built over for a year or more, i run a C3R1 Neuvillette, C3 Furina, C3R1 Xilonen (c2 is enough just wanted her to be a full kazuha replacement in Theater), and C2R1 Kazuha. a single charge beam tick with this team hits for over 220,000 per hit with 8 hits within 3 seconds and i have seen full whale investment teams getting his ticks near 300,000, if they power creep this i would be very concerned as i still like using my Keqing from time to time.
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The problem with Neuvillette is that any indirect way of nerfing him would drag many other characters and teams onto the drain: You either make hydro dmg useless on the middle of each abyss 12 side, make an anti projectile mechanic on the enemies or an ultra specific case that can target him, like an enemy that takes away the droplets or an enemy that lowers the damage of multihit hitboxes
Double Hydro Abyss Lectors on both sides with Hydro Local Legends and Hydro Slimes.
@@Mr_Leech_HGC It sounds like Hyperbloom abyss all over again
Or C6 Bennett + Ayaka if someone wants to try that xd
Thing is, his Charge attack doesn't count as a projectile. The way it's programmed, it doesn't travel forward but just exists like a zone in the entire area in front of you. For example the wood shield Mitachurl can block every projectile with his shield but Neuvi's Charge attack goes right through it.
To compliment everything that has been said in this video:
I don't look at how strong a character is before pulling. So I didn't know how strong Neuvilette was when I pulled. After building him I went from not clearing floor 12 to easy 36 star clears.
One "nerf" I could see coming is adding enemies that inflict healing reduction% on you. Not bond of life but straight healing reduction%. Honestly, I had expected that as a nerf to both Furina and Neuvillette for a long time now and I thought they were going to do that to promote shields and bond of life mechanics.
- Hoyo releases a new Polearm
- Xiangling : "FOR ME?"
- Hoyo releases a new character
- Neuvillette : "FOR ME?"
New support 5 star character release
Neuvillette : MORE POWER
- Hoyo releases new artifact set
- Fischl: “FOR ME?”
You could add Arl to that since she can rival Neuv's damage.
Furina/Xilo/Kazuha ( is just a power house combination for non-dendro/geo comps. Just replace Kazuha in Geo teams.
Funny thing Ororon will be his new F2P teammate
@@amphiptered.5355she actually doesnt even come close to neuvi's level,cause even tho she has high damage she has inconsistency since it scales on the amount of BoL she has while neuvi damage will stay the same throughout the whole duration
Neuvillette is the closest thing we have to a powerful lore accurate character in Genshin.
Umm nahida and raiden disagree
I mean, most characters are quite comparable to their in lore status (well except the 5. They're descenders fr)
@@aenodarr then we have characters like albedo
@@Finalslashes true 😂. Whenever someone comes with "StROnG in LOrE = StrONg iN GaMe" I just point out albedo and it all falls appart 😅
@@wall6587yanfei the goat of adeptus 🐐
Hoyo did TRY to nerf him, they called it a 'bug fix' but we all know it was a nerf, by adding a limit to how fast he could turn while using his charged attack. It wouldn't matter if your mouse was set to a million DPI, you could no longer pressure wash the spiral abyss floor with the Fidget Spinner strat. Problem was the fandom, particularly the Chinese playerbase, was OUTRAGED by that so they reverted it. He can't be nerfed because too many people would be pissed at this point.
It's both and actual bug and a nerf.
If you've ever experienced Jungle Inferno Pyro in tf2 there's a video with the same problem explained
I'd say it is definitely a fix, as I don't think he was ever meant to spin that fast. Hoyoverse just doesn't care as much about mouse and keyboard controls, or PC in general. It's why Dehya has her "get frozen, lose burst" issues on PC (although you can hold alt, then click to avoid that issue, but that's just clunky), but not on phone/controller. It's why their rhythm games have the notes spread way wide, because they are meant for a small screen.
They are/were sloppy, so they let it go live without testing, and they didn't pay attention the moment it first started being done on release.
@@Axterix13 Tbh it probably wouldn't have been a problem, or as big of a problem, if they did this during his first banner or shortly after that, but they waited until the end of his rerun THEN nerf him. Even if it could be counted as a fix, it would still be a nerf.
It was pretty scummy ngl
I remember getting a 10-pull from Hoyo and wondering WTF it was for (I don't have Neuvillette). Hoyo never does that, so I got suspicious, and found out about this nerf + reversion. Made me want Neuvillette even more. :)
@@bencesilye4911What’s even worse is that Mualani was also scheduled to release the patch after (Who was insanely broken in the beta, she’s cracked nowadays but before she was absolutely bonkers), and that made people assume that Hoyo waited until before Mualani’s release to nerf Neuvillette so people would pull for Mualani in the next patch.
Even if it was just a bug fix the timing was horrendous, fixing a bug that had been present for quite a few patches only for it to supposedly be fixed the patch just before another Hydro DPS released. They couldn’t have timed it worse.
Meta aside, Nuvi is like . . . top three best written characters in the entire game and I will die on this hill
When i first watched the fontaine trailer i was most hyped for him, honestly thought he was gonna be a villain but I'm so glad i was wrong.
Hell no.
Agreed. Neuvillette is the goat.
He has competition?
He really is, who are the other two in your opinion tho
The only way to "hold" Neuvillette down would be to permanently have the hydro tulpa and the hydro hypostasis on each side of the abyss floor 12.
Nooooooo don't give them ideas bruh 😂
and there comes that one new event weapon that hits with 80% of user hp as physical damage, neuvilette once again unstoppable
@@meliho27 Physical Neuvillette is way more meta than Eula can dream to be 🤣🤣🤣
the way they are probably going to do it is to heavily focus on attack scalers and non hydro reactions to boost their power up to and above neuvilettes level
@@coffeemug1012 neuvi gonna use that dps as a support aswell
I still remember when solo Neuvillette was one of the most common teams to run during his release patch's abyss because he was so absurdly powerful and the abyss buff gave him an extra crit circlet by default. And I assure you, you did not need to be a tryhard to accomplish that feat--he was just that good of a unit, and he's only become even more of a monster since
I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of Monsieur Neuvillette. I try to play Diluc. My Monsieur Neuvillette deals more damage. I try to play Wanderer. My Monsieur Neuvillette deals more damage. I try to play Cyno. My Monsieur Neuvillette deals more damage. I want to play Furina. Her best team has Monsieur Neuvillette. He grabs me by the throat 😩. I killed countless innocent seals for him. I farm marachussy hunter set for him. I give him my Baizhu's R5 prototype amber. He isn't satisfied. I give him my Yae's Kagura's Verity. "I don't need this passive" He tells me. "Just give me interrupt resistance" He grabs Zhongli and forces him to erect his pillar and shield him. "You just need to pull my C1. I can deal more damage and not need Zhongli anymore" I can't pull for his C1, I don't have enough primogems. He grabs my credit card. It declines. "Guess this is the end." A bunch of Gardes and Gardemeks appeared. He says "Gardes, escort them to the Fortress of Meropide." There is no hint of sadness in his eyes. Nothing but pure, unaldurated damage from his insane multipliers and aoes. What a cruel world.
Excellent 😂
Xiangling copypasta but neuvillete version. And I'm not complaining 😂😂😂
You need to find a place to put Oratrice Mecanique d'Analyse Cardinale reference in there
@@Daddy_Of_soraML lets be honest, Neuvillette is exactly what a 5 star version of Xiangling looks like... Literally EVERYTHING buff both of them, and there is absolutely no way for the devs to get rid of either of them without crippleing 4/5 of the entire chartacter roaster along the process... unless.... oh, god, we gonna end up getting damage reflecting enemies, so high dmg characters end up killing themselves even with the best healers, didnt we? ... ... ... i see a dark future ahead of us...
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congratulations to neuvillette for being the the first canonically lore accurate character of game history
Literally untrue. Y'all have never played Vergil in any game he is in and it shows.
@@justsomeguy727 i have nerver played virgil but why to put two bad bitches against each other
The craziest part about Neuvi is that in a game full of waifus, the most powerful character is a middle-aged looking man.
how tf does he look middle-age? have you actually seen one?
@@onee-chansplaytoy5863 i mean yeah, he's anime-pretty but he's also a white haired government worker who help clean up the messes of everyone around him. He also wears baggy clothes and has a cane. His vibe is a very cool middle aged gentleman.
We need more characters like him and less children
@@mordakie3805 True and please let us forward that to the zzz team too because the situation is even more dire there.
At least in genshin the characters look ambiguously like teenagers but could be adults, zzz has characters that look 9 and the game tells you It's an adult (biggest offender being piper, even her hairstyle looks childish, then the game pretends like she's middle aged and then you have lolicons going around publically saying they'r into her and using hoyo's non sensual writing to say : "see ? Hoyo says she's an adult so It's ok I'm into her even tho she looks like a kindergardner and even NPCs in the game say she looks like a little girl"
@@megh405 Speedrunning isnt the meta, and I say this as someone who spents 500+ resets on a chamber trying to kill the abyss yumakasaur in 16 seconds instead of 17 seconds. The average player will have a far easier time clearing most chambers with their c0/1 neuvilette than Ganyu Lyney even Arlechinno because of how easy it is for him to hit multiple targets and self sustain. While you can group characters manually to offset Neuvi's advantage the avg player is honestly pretty bad at this game...
The one time they tried to nerf him (remove spin to win) they literally got so much backlash from the CN community that they had to release an entire apology statement and give a 10 pull worth in primogems, if they tried to nerf him again I don't see it ending well lmao
Let them repeat it. 10 more free pulls 😈
I feel like the "bug fix" earlier this year was hoyo trying to nerf him, but they waited too late to do it and got backlash.
That was not a "bug".
They just realised they wanted more money and he's just too good for new hydro units to compete.
Archons should be strong units.
Neuvillette is a sovereign dragon ( Archon level) and is a dps unlike the Archons.
It makes sense for him to be an OP dps.
They tried to backtrack
It's definitely a bug when spinbotting causes more ticks of damage.
Happened in Team Fortress 2 as well
@@malacoda9421 Sovereign dragons are waaayy higher than Archon level. The Archon's power comes from a 'part' of their Elemental dragon's power. They have complete control over their element, Archon's only have partial control. Archon's usually also have power other than the power given to them by being an Archon but it's not even close the Elemental dragons. (Traveller and Nahida basically beg in front of a weakened Apep, and almost get destroyed just by the immune system of Apep's body)
@@blazikenfury8852 Nahia was imprisoned and still a child. A traveller is missing his prime powers.
Gods are strong beings. Prime Zhongli wasn't an Archon but still had continental altering Power.
Ei ( who wasn't an Archon) Sliced through Islands with one strike.
Archons were Apex gods of their respective elements.
A sovereign dragon at 100 health would scale higher than An Archon with 100 health.
That doesn't mean Archons are by any way weak. They are close to Sovereign Dragons.
Sovereign Dragons were forced to use Forbidden knowledge against Archons but still lost in the end.
@@malacoda9421
The Sovereign Dragons fought against the Primordial One and his Four Shades, not the Archons.
The only "Archon" who fought a Sovereign Dragon is Xbalanque, but that was after the Pyro Sovereign Dragon(and even then, it is just a theory that it was the Pyro Sovereign Dragon) was already weakened. Additionally he wasn't an Archon at that point either.
The trend with Fontaine characters that I noticed personally is that many of them are incredibly self sufficient, often being able to do damage, healing, and buffs all by themselves.
It's great to be white in asian games 🤭
Easily 100k per tick is a stretch. In fact, you'll only ever see those numbers on stunned enemies (looking at the stunned geo horse golem).
100k per tick is ONLY assuming R1, near perfect artifact stats on every single piece for Neuvillette (Above 45k hp, 300% crit damage and above, while still some crit rate rolls here and there), talents maxed for him, as well as for Furina and Xilonen. So no, not easily. But still "doable" with some hefty artifact grinding. Only with his C1 it becomes somewhat easier to get to 100k.
A decently built Neuvillette (aka a realistic build, no signature and no double crit on all pieces, same team members + proto amber) will get you anywhere between 50 and 60k, and that's still a lot of damage.
And new players in the future won’t even have Furina or Xilonen
He was the first character that as an F2P, I could use by himself and clear a floor in around ~65 to 75 seconds. That is the only character till 5.1 I’d say could ever do that
I skipped neuvillette cuz I wanted wriothesley so badly and ended up getting wriothesley c6
Then got c0 neuvillette and his weapon in his rerun (in a f2p way) and just soloed the abyss with just this two, one was c6 the other c0 and neuvillette was almost able to be on the same level as the c6
It wasn't even funny-
Nah, C0R0 Arlecchino could do it too, very easily in fact.
@@mihacimpric745note to self, *r0*
im glad that Neuvi is so absurdly powerful because as it stands in the lore, he SHOULD be the most powerful character we've met in-game. he's THE Hydro Sovereign, with his full divine power willingly restored to him by Focalors.
having him be anything less than top tier would be a disservice to the incredible writing they gave him as a character imo
In terms of playable characters from lore as for 5.1 yeah he's the strongest so far
@@Daddy_Of_soraMLProbably. Although the Authority is not the only source of power. Remember that the deeds of Rex Lapis in the Archon War were before he gained the Geo Gnosis. Even Neuvillette seems to think that if it did come to combat between himself and Morax, it would be a very big fight.
Well, prime Capitano might be REALLY OP, if he find a way to go to his prime state, he is gonna kick asses
@@AkemiHomura771 Even with the flesh rotted, Capitano is still the First of the Eleven Fatui Harbingers, and went toe to toe with the Archon of the Nation of War. I have hopes for him. I like his design, I like his personality, and he is presumably going to be Harbinger strong and perhaps save Cryo. Maybe even stronger than Arlecchino, considering that he is the First and the powercreep lately. I have only one character fully built as a DPS, and it’s Neuvillette (Hyperbloom Nahida does not count). Capitano is the first new DPS to speak to me since Neuvillette, and as I say, I have hopes for him. If only his gameplay is appealing to boot.
@@animationlover219 he probably isn't that strong since he's not important enough to get a high position or he's decently strong but not intelligent enough
The formula is the same between HP and ATK scalers. The reason why HP scalers are so broken is because there are basically no HP% buffers, so they need to be good at a baseline.
The HP scalers also are much more survivable. A 20k hp character, especially with the likes of Furina draining their hp, has to be somewhat careful. A 40k hp one? That's a much larger margin of safety.
7:56 correction here, Furina at C0 only gives 75% dmg bonus with max fanfare. C1 furina is the one that gives 100% dmg bonus
when he was announced - "wow, both the eng va of sukuna from jjk and jp va. i must pull"
when i first got him - "hydro? wow so broken ill play him with dendro"
when i first played him - "why tf does stuff dies before the bloom pops?"
now - "shhh, be with your family and finish the abyss fast enough that it won't matter whos on the next team" :)
One thing I love about Neuvillette is that his playstyle makes you feel like an actual deity of the Hydro element
Most of the characters including the Archons employ the same hacking and slashing mechanic that 90 of the cast uses so it doesn’t really feel like you are playing like gods at all. Take Raiden’s burst for example, a lot of other Electro characters have better bursts than het
SO TRUE some find him boring but this is exactly the point of his gameplay rise one hand lean on cane with the other and strikes everything effortlessly
That last sentence is just pure copium
Fischl doesn’t do any damage with her burst
As a childe main who got neuvillette... I love using him as a trophy husband on neuvi's team.
Gotta love how Neuvillette is one of the most pacifist characters in terms of writing yet he could proba ly solo a majority of the verse by shooting a big ol' civil right beams
Good ol' Biden blast
To be fair the writing has him that powerful too
He could also just remove the water from everyones body in an entire nation and instakill everyone not god level, its crazy
“pacifist” idk he seems to pretty much hate the archons😭
"Pacifist" ? More like kind but strictly just
At this point trying to outscale neuvilette would probably be a mistake. In general the hydro element feels a little full unless you want to just powercreep the characters.
I hate this character because my niche characters will have an even harder time in abyss now the ceiling’s gone up
This is just not true LOL the HP pool in abyss has been roughly the same for like two years now. The highest HP boss TO THIS DAY is still only like 2.3mil unless it's the Tulpa who has 3mil (cause you can vape it for free lmao) and Neuv can't even fight the Tulpa.
Your niche teams will be fine.
@@justsomeguy727 That's literally not true. Total Hp poll for each chamber has a trend of increasing with each cycle. Not to mention they add more multiwave enemies and shields
Getting him to C2 R1 was the best decision I ever made in this game.
Gotta get that c3
Get that C3. I'm at C3 too, the jump from C2 to C3 is bigger than C1 to C2.
Get that C6 he is busted at C6
@@devaughnpage he nearly peaks his damage at C3. C6 is mainly the coordinated attacks and infinite water cannon. Unless you really really want to C6, it's better to stop invest at C3 and invest in cons for his optimal supports, such as C2 Furina and C2 Xilonen etc
@@Rash7 your right but that infinite is so fun!
So glad I pulled for neuvi!! if Capitano winds up unplayable, I'll use my savings for c6 hydro dragon
Nah if capitano isn't playable I'm suing 💀💀
@@shaiDahan9 fr i need him 😞
Hydro slimes are the only thing Neuv fears. I love him
HP, ATK, DEF and EM scaling work the same way, thing is there are ways which can buff Atk(Bennett, Nobless, Tenacity, most weapon passives and many food buffs), def scalers have Gorou and EM scalers have Nahida, Instructor set, Dendro resonance etc. but HP has nothing, so they give baseline higher multipliers to HP scalers to comepensate to keep it balanced and easier for casual players who might not use optimal teams. Thing is you can buff HP scalers through others ways like dmg bonus. crit, and res shred, all of which Neuvi can abuse with Furina, Kazuha, Xilonen.
Btw Def didn't get the same treatment because it scales better as a defensive stat if shields are included(which is why Itto has a passive which actively reduces his resistances to not make him not be able to build offense and defense at the same time).
Yelan's C4 can buff HP% though lol. (Or is it her C2 idk, one of her cons)
Furina's C2 buffs her own HP too. So does Candace's C2.
Furina's weapon also gives extra HP
It's not that HP can't be buffed, it's just that there are no kits who can do that at C0 rn.
And reducing res on Itto during his burst is honestly so dumb, I don't understand why Noelle who does like 90% as much damage as Itto C0 at C6 with his weapon as is a 4* can HEAL, SHIELD, and deal that much damage without any debuffs but Itto can't.
That's just unfair
Yeah I was gonna reply this as well. He's easy to build because they compensated for the lack of HP% buffs with a higher base multiplier, not because he scales with less stats. Adding more stats a character scales off of makes them even stronger in the long run, because multiple smaller multipliers combining add up much more than if you had fewer, but higher multipliers.
We're already seeing that with Mualani, who scales really well with elemental mastery too. Neuvillette's reaction cooldown limits him to only being able to vape 1/3 of his hits, which hard limits his effectiveness with reactions, but Mualani can vape every hit so she feels the full effects of having access to an additional multiplier. Since her release she's been blowing away the speed run charts on both high investment and low investment scales. For example earlier I saw a 30 second cumulative clear of all 3 chambers in top half this abyss with a team with only 2 C0 5*s & 1 signature weapon. The 4*s weren't even C6 either.
he is basically legal cheat code, I dont understand why people get so cocky in domains like its them doing something and not neuvi being too op
The thing about Neuvi is that he has good aoe damage compared to other dps, in single target there are more dps that can out damage him, but ni aoe like with trash mobs or 2 bosses he will dominant by a high margin. He also has no down time compered to others as well as self sufficient and no draw backs. Overall he is over tuned than most dps.
Yeah, and he does with the low investment. There are other characters that can utterly demolish things as well. Like a Chiori with cons, also backed by Xil, is an absolute monstrosity as well. She'll delete enemies with 100k+ hits, left and right, auto-targeting things. Xil made her the best off-field damage dealer in the game... provided you are willing to give up 4-5 potential new characters just to get her and Xil to c4/c2 respectively. Bosses just melt, while trash mobs are just auto-deleted. But that takes multiple constellations to do, so a much higher investment.
@@Axterix13lets not talk about cons Buddy. They just show how bad a character is at c0 if they need cons.
Uh haha about that. Post xilonen, I'm pretty sure the only one with a higher ST damage is mualani. Neuvilette clears essentially everyone else.
I genuinely dont know how youd nerf Neuvilette without straight up killing every other hydro unit. Neuvilette's gameplay is simple and thats to his benefit, if you go with the most boring idea and start spamming hydro immune enemies: you are taking Yelan and Xingqiu down first, more enemey hp: if Neuvilette cant kill an enemy, who the hell can? Even Arlechino and Mualani would suffer from something like that and they have higher ceilings than Neuvilette
Its kind of a catch 22, unless they get uber specific with it, nerfing Neuvilette is gonna be a blow to everyone else first.
Speed.
You powercreep neuvellete with cleartimes.
That is what mualani is essentially doing.
She doesn't deal more rotational dmg than him , and is harder to play with significant caveats, but what she has in return is ability to clear time limited content faster than neuvellete by a pretty significant margin.
@@mayukhmondal5552 yea, but speed isn't making him worse. Speed only matters to speedrunners and speedrunning is not a metric to determine balance or strength of a character anyway
@@Why-ci5mk well be it, Mualani is better than Neuvellete for a niche, but that niche still exists.
I have both, c0r1 mualani and c1r1 neuvellete.
I still run mualani because she has potential to clear faster and I like that.
@@mayukhmondal5552it’s your choice then but limiting the time will powercreep many dpses which isn’t worth and mualani is no where close to powercreep him since she has good dmg ceiling but not consistent. You know what’s the biggest downside of nukes? One crit miss and you’ll lose a huge chunk of dmg. I also have mualani but I don’t like to play her because she’s a bit clunky for me(talking about myself here) and even with 80cr she’s missing many crit(4/10 maybe) which is not good.
@@mayukhmondal5552 That's respectable, I tend to use both, but if we used certain niches as a measurement of strength, a lot of tier lists would be skewed. While mualani has the potential to have the highest damage in the game or at least the highest nuke, this requires a lot of resetting especially in the abyss. Her speedrunning teams include r5 widsith, instructor sucrose, petra xiangling, xilonen amd ideally with fitting abyss cards. So you have a 2/3 chance of getting a useful buff for mualani through widsith, no one uses petra on xiangling and instructor isn't preferred on sucrose either. Basically what I'm saying is that speedrunning as a niche is very inconsistent due to units being built in ways they wouldn't be otherwise just to minimize clear times, a bunch of bugs like certain characters being able to skip PMA and maguu kenki animations also skewing data, abyss buffs and cards benefiting certain characters over others etc. Additionally most players don't care about speedrunning. I wholeheartedly agree that mualani is the best speedrunner in the game, but when it comes to ranking units, you can't look at a certain niche, but instead at the entire thing.
i wont deny the fact that i really really loved those rant videos with tons of cussing and some background gameplay, but its so awesome seeing you build your career and seeing the quality of your vids going up over time. nice work🙏
Started at 4.3, lost on Raidens' banner and used my guarantee on Neuv and i dont regret it ❤
9:05 don't use Xilonen skill+2 hits first, because if you're not reacting with hydro to crystalise, you aren't proccing her 4pc effect and you miss out on not just a lot of damage, but also a draconic stack on Neuvi :)
@@chinacoke7594 yep. free prcos and you always should start with off field triggers.
Well I will be damned, this mind as well be the best random channel yt recommended me.
The best thing is hearing that Ororon is going to be just as good as Xilonen for Neuvillette taser teams.
God do I hope he's with Neuv and Zhongli's banners for 5.2 I want all 3 and have none and I don't want Chasca or Lyney.
So Ororon will powercreep Fischl?
@@AmbroseVermillion Maybe. From what I understand, Fischl will likely be better for single target, while Ororon is better for groups.
@@StartouchArtsthey would also work decently well together in one team, I believe
Can't even convince me to pull for him on his 2nd rerun. I know there are also other boring gameplays in Genshin, but Neuvillette power washer is just something I can never like, even if it's strong.
It's fine because neuv existing doesn't matter to anybody's account except the people who own Neuvillette lmao
It's why I hate this framing Soul and many others tend to do where they act like the game is saying play Neuvillette or suffer and that's just not true at all LOL
I ask myself if Neuvillette was unintended to be that strong since he was released BEFORE Wriothesley, which is a pretty inconvenient character without C1
My favorite character is wriothesley so I skipped neuvillette to get wriothesley c6, later got c0 neuvillette
And even I
With c6 wriothesley who's top 2% need to admit that c0 neuvillette (now with xilonen and kazuha) does almost the same dmg as my c6 wriothesley
@@shaiDahan9 I'm shocked to read that, I had hoped Wrio was at least a good whale/dolphin "investment"
@gustavogu7733 he's the coolest character for me and I love him so I don't really care lol
He's very very strong also, neuvillette at c0 being close to him doesn't change that
A friend's C6R5 Neuv is now doing _206k_ ticks with the new team.
I would say that they could get rid of his camera exploit to make him more balanced, but they tried that by limiting how fast he could rotate and people tried to sue them for it. At least then he wouldn't be overshadowing the characters with AoE hydro setups.
my neuv team is complete, just gonna focus on mavuika team now. thanks hoyo for making neuv playable finally dealing 90k per tick and its not even the ceiling yet. god dayum.
When he released for the first time i simply pulled him because he can do kamehameha and bro that was the best decision ever
By the way Ororon will buff Neuvillette more which means if you don't have Xilonen you can use Ororon replacement.
Nah dude imagine doing this thing in coop where you buff your friend and then leave allowing you to "use" 6 characters and going with furina, ororon, xilonen, kazuha and Bennett all in the same team just to super buff some c6 r5 neuvillette so he can do... I don't even know how much per tic at this point
Neuvillette literal Powerful unit, even Japanese forum already said that thing.
I never plan to get him before but i change my mind, after I saw how crack his mechanics and kit (He can deal DMG while healing himself, + his DMG increase based in Hydro reaction (Hyper bloom is one of hydro reaction, with multiple layer). I'm not regret getting C1 Neuvillette)
Me neither
C1 makes him not need zhongli (who is a dps loss) and makes furina a better support for him because he gets a built in charged attack dmg stack while activating hydro resonance
I'm the opposite tbh. I like more balanced characters powerwise.
Nuevillette is way too powerful and too easy to use. Beating the game using him feels cheap.
I'll be skipping him and act like he doesn't exists until they somehow nerf him in the future.
@@purp1e200 arle and neuv make so much of the content just trivial it’s insane 😭
He's just so flexible with all off field sub dds characters and supports of all kind
I was saving for him all last year once we got the Fontaine leaks. I love dragons and hydro characters so it was perfect. I didn’t realize he’d be so insane when I got his C6 R1 the day he dropped😅
The Second Coming of Ganyu in the form of the Hydro Sovereign and with his secretaries xilonen, furina, kazuha
Neuvillette and Acheron really ruined the perception of what is a “good” dps for their respective games. IMO, they should be seen as the exception or anomaly rather than a new standard.
I may have Mualani but i still wnt Neuvillette. hes just too good not to have and i love his classy persona hes got going on. My mualanmi hits like a truck but i missed out on both Neuvies becauswe i took a break from genshin during fontaines run and recently returned for natlan. i keep kicking myself for missing out on neuvillette.
That’s nice. I’m happy for Neuvillette mains.
As Lisa main, it’s always nice to see players find character they enjoy. I know the game is broken now and started got left in the dust long ago but I still get excited when my Lisa drops a 70k+ ^-^
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Hoyo in Natlan: Inserts Hydro Tulpa.
Pulled him cuz I liked his design, risking my Furina guarantee (but won 5050 to her tho), never thought this man singlehandedly changed the way I saw abyss and any type hard content in the game, now I can use teams without him and 36 star but he was the starting spark, so that I gave him C1 and R1 (he is the first limited 5 star con I pulled) and a fully well built team which became my warmup chill team giving me more time to do experiments and new teams on the other side lol...
Aside from that unlike other characters badly needing Bennet to make a difference, this man doesn't mind when I need Furina for the other side so I literally have more support options for my 2nd team to shine, all he basically need is three (now two after) different applicators and a Layla or Zhongli lol...
only another sovereign is capable of powercreeping him
Then they should kill Mavuika and have her be resurrected as one of
If she dies, Divine Throne is gone and she gets her full Sovereign powers right away
neuvi is my safety net when it comes to abyss
easy to build eas to play not gated by crit rate weapons easy consistent damage output while not needing any form of super optimal rotation
to do it
My absolute favorite Character. 😊
Neuvillette is my favorite and my strongest character, I love him a lot, but I am not so sure he is the most overpowered, cause we still have Arleccino.
Technically devs try to balance him in abyss. Because after his reran they put a hidro immune mobs or bosses in one of half or put same enemy with shields. Well it didn't work so good because you still can play him in another half.
Ngl. Even on hydro immune abyss it didn't felt like they were safe at all. Since neuvillette can slot in whoever. If it's hydro immune maybe use fischl or navia or the new ororon or any sub dps.
If they released an absurdly high +ATK buffer, like two Bennets welded together with team healing, that might break him. He doesn't need the healing and doesn't scale off +ATK.
Xilonen not procing hero set dmg bonus hurt me physically
I somehow managed to get him after getting lyney when fontaine first came out, and then I got his signature weapon, and then furina
I prefer arlecchino when it comes to speed and smacking enemies, but boy I love this guy
Lore accurate Neuvilette with his new premium team goes hard
When the situation is so bad you gotta use the neuvillette, furina, xilonen and kazu combo
Expect some new Hydro immune bosses in Spyral Abyss 😂
the only way to nerf him is by making an abyss where every single character has a hydro res/immunity, but even then kazuha + xilonen's res shred will still help him (I can get 53k tics on the centaur boss in the new abyss)
Xilonen is absurd. She buffed my Mono Pyro C2 Arlecchino so hard, I was doing 200k damage per SLASH with her. No reactions, no vaporize, NOTHING. Each click did 200k
And that's with her skill at Talent level 6. It's only going to get higher.
I got C2 R1 Arlecchino and C2 R1 Xilonen, but she does lile 100k on the first hits and then falls off very quickly. She's sadly a down grade from C6 Chevreuse.
the only way to "nerf" neuvilette is to lift up the other units. Change some of the weaker reactions, bring in more dedicated supports like Shenhe and Chevrolette but make em actually compete or even eclipse generalists like Bennett and Furina. Release modern onfield or offield DPS for said elements.
The genie is out of the bottle, you can't nerf him so now you have to build around this new standard. Mualani and Arlechino have managed that pretty well.
ur vids are always entertaining and very educational. keep it up
That's the true hydro archon.
I love Neuv and Arlechinno because their kits are pretty strong, self-sufficient, and, technically not burst-reliant so you can also use them in over-world.
Here’s a video idea. Do a history of Genshin quality of life improvements and rate each of them on quality and impact…or backhanded, manipulative scamminess…whichever, lol
The thing with Neuvillette is that he has a very intuitive kit. Yes, he's strong, but there are other characters that put up bigger numbers and/or can compete with his. I guarantee that even if he dealt less damage, people would still play him and get faster clears with him, because of how intuitive his kit is.
I'm F2P and somehow managed to get Furina, Kazuha AND Xilonen, and Neuvilette is soon coming in 5.2 acording to the rumors. Oooh boy I gotta get farming for that garanteed ASAP
the reason why neuvillette is so strong is because he was (when he came out) balanced around the fact that there are not a lot of ways to buff hp scaling characters. Now we have furina and xilonen who are able to buff him and thanks to that neuvillette got a much bigger buff than other characters. You could nerve him If you release new powerfull suports who buff attack or em scaling characters. You could make suports who can enhance reaction dmg (for ex. vaporize no has a 2x multiplier rather than 1.5x) neuvillette can take advantage of those buffs but his reactions aren't doing that much dmg and it would be a dps loss if you play them over his current best supports (kazuha, furina, xilonen).
With xilonen addition on my neuvillete team replaced zhongli, the damage increased from 75k to 105k+ is overwhelming. One side of the abyss can easily be demolished.
I love your content honestly im surprised youve only been on youtube for a few weeks keep up the good work
An easy way to make him worse is just to have the abyss include enemies with inate hydro auras, like the majority of recent abysses have had on at least one side.
so where is a problem to put him on the second part xd?
@@Tomil4444 yep and Arlecchino, Xiangling will eat the hydro resistant side
I'm not well versed in Genshin combat, I have a weak team with Anemo Traveler, Shinobu, Xiangling, and Neuvilette that probably only works because he's carrying the team and dealing the most damage when the other characters are dead
Get dendro traveler and build max elemental mastery on kuki shinobu
You get hyperbloom neuvillette which is insanely strong if you are a beginner
@@constantine2687 I'm at AR 55...
@@needabettername4357 still beginner
Ar 55 is achievable in 4- 5 months
From ar 55 to 60 needs 2 years smthg like that
The “bug fix” wasn’t that bad of a nerf because on most stages good positioning was good enough
Bro my prototype r5 neuvillete not only heals himself but already restores health and energy to my whole team 18% of their hp and 18 energy that's really decent comes handy in abyss
I wanna see his reaction when mavuika releases and buffs neuvillette some more
Throwback to the time I saw a video claiming that "Bennett is the reason there is no powercreep in genshin" lmao... Did not age well
Stopped playing genshin after the skandalous dehya/beizhu patch.
I am kinda surprised how the meta finally evolved
For now I watched every single video on your channel (how are you doing them so fast???) and can say that TL;DR of your channel is "every time devs mess up balancing, they end up power creeping everything"
I could see more bond of life enemies making neuvi less powerful where he can't gain the health that he's beamed away, back.
u are opposite bond of life enemies is the least thing to worry for nuvi
You can 36* abyss with OG 4* characters. Who cares if Neuvi is strong? Play whoever you want and don't worry about who everyone else is using.
Yeah, c6r5 original broken 4 star characters. 3 years in game, still Xingqiu c3, 2 copies of which is taken from 2 previous lantern rites.
As someone who have Neuvillette at C6R4, the biggest problem with him is that most of his problems are essentially fixed by his C1, which makes sense-it’s a similar case to C1 Wriothesley or Hu Tao. However, the amount of improvement that C1 brings is just too much. The free stack to play him with Furina is acceptable, but the huge interruption resistance is excessive. If that resistance were placed at something like C4/C6 as a bonus, he would be a more balanced character. That way, you'd still have to remember that enemies can destroy your rotation if you aren’t careful enough or don’t have a shield. He heals more than he loses HP with Arlecchino and Clorinde, and the Bond of Life mechanic makes both of them difficult to play for new players, but at least it's rewarded with good damage. Neuvillette, on the other hand, doesn't have that high-risk, high-reward mechanic, which is the reason why he feels much more broken.
NEUVILLETTE is the one who broke "BROKEN" itself to pieces and still have 6 balls left to use
I need C1 for my Neuvillette please let his rerun come soon
um it will be in 5.2
C1 Neuvillette making him so flexible
Probably a top 5 c1 in the game, its insane how big his c1 feels like
Yeah well said, if the only thing that can phase him out is more broken DPS, then EVERY DPS pre-Neuvillette would become extremely irrelevant.
I want neuvillette to hold me hostage
hoyo: now how should we build mavuika ....
which reaction works best with pyro --> another neuvilette buff ?
He is so baby girl ❤️
Best bro back at it again. My new coping mechanism 😂
I don't collect husbanditos. Only guy i wanted to pull was Itto.
He is him
5:49, my Nilou with 69,500hp 🥲
they’re just characters, you don’t have to use them, I pulled him, i’m barely getting around to building him, i just put him on field for the first time the other day. It’s hard to want to use him when razor exists. I have meta I just don’t always use it, i tend to play video games for fun, not because i got a number fetish.
Neuvi:
Hydro blob : 🤗
What the hell is dps per rotation? Where did kqm say this 😭? Dps means damage per second. So are we measuring dps or dpr? (Damage per rotation)
Neuvillette is stll the apex of Genshin, even the release of Mualani.
things get out of hand quite quickly even with dolphin levels of constellation rolls that would have been built over for a year or more, i run a C3R1 Neuvillette, C3 Furina, C3R1 Xilonen (c2 is enough just wanted her to be a full kazuha replacement in Theater), and C2R1 Kazuha. a single charge beam tick with this team hits for over 220,000 per hit with 8 hits within 3 seconds and i have seen full whale investment teams getting his ticks near 300,000, if they power creep this i would be very concerned as i still like using my Keqing from time to time.