I’m so happy to see this information get out into the community. People, entrepreneurs, & business owners need to hear these type of stories so they can be aware of the cult like aspect that will suck them into a life they never thought they’d be involved in. I noticed that it’s not talked about enough for numerous reasons. Embarrassment, fear of not fitting in, fear of the organization coming after them, etc. My intention isn’t to make Grant look bad, but rather wake people up. I’m one of the rare individuals who does not back off & I have a purpose to enlighten people to things they may be ignoring or blinded to. My hope is that one person in one of these types of communities hears what I’m saying & recognizes something that I’m talking about that is a red flag or not in alignment with thief values/morals. My purpose is to help others with this message. Not to serve me in any way. Success is in everyone one of us & we don’t “need” to seek it in others.
Thanks so much for sharing, Ben! Your voice is valuable in this space and it’s great that you’re willing to speak up and shed light so hopefully others don’t find themselves trapped.
Knowing ourself is key here, still many don't trust their intuition as this shapes how you interact with others and can lead to deeper, more fruitful relationships. It also frees one from the expectations of others, allowing you to be your authentic self. "Truth never changes, only our awareness of it." Malcolm X ~
@@cindihunter9119 absolutely. I can do a longer interview on this topic alone. There is so much to dive into on spirituality, intuition, & letting go. I'm working on doing a documentary on my entire experience and stories that are unbelievable. It essentially revealed everything about myself and society and allowed me to tap into this frequency that most people ignore. A large number of people do not know themselves and that is what invites the fears, uncertainty, & ultimately results in guys like GC being able to shape and mold you into a character that you are not.
@@CultstoConsciousness absolutely. I appreciate you letting me share my story on your platform. I'm certain that something I said resonated with some folks. I already have had numerous people reach out and let me know that they got value from my testimony. Thank you
Exactly. The accountability is still there for me. I still need to call this out and share my experience. Blame is not the best word because it suggests shame but the fact is it's happening to successful people everywhere. Also, if all I did was blame myself, that would lead into a victim mentality.
Study narcissism and psychopathy, so you can SPOT these 'people...' from across the room. (There are those who remain 'blind' to the 'cult' societal, to personal 'programming...' and those of us who always KNEW something was seriously OFF with these perps! (I recall seeing the movie "They Live," in the early 1980s... and didn't GET what it was about, until later on. Those who are prone to so- called "codependency..." STILL have to deal with their narcy, etc. "family, of origin?" Or later go: "no contact?" (Or alternately: very 'limited,' contact??') This is precisely what the "elitists" worldwide, throughout history... have 'exploited' the remaining90% + with, BTW! (i.e. Governments, religions, the BAR, bankers, corporations, Medea, etc., etc.)
Blame doesn’t work well whichever way it’s directed. If we don’t discover the cause AND deal with our own shortcomings, that’s the problem. Remember Blame is something they used, so people involved were used to blaming themselves. Didn’t help them see the big picture. It’s slso what groomers do. So, if it’s in our culture to target vulnerabilities, those who are the most vulnerable WILL get targeted. We can’t condone it on any level.
Just started but cardone is a scientologists. Aaron Smith-levin from growing up in Scientology has done many videos about Grant. Im sure Grant has learned a lot of the culty behaviors from scientology.
@@TheMisguidedMentor Maybe keep in mind that Cardone is a friend of the Trump family. They donated to Scientology. Their tactics are the same that many politicians are using.
I was roped into one of these type cults by a sister. It really wrecked my progress and took years to overcome. It ruined relationships including the family ones definitively. Giving up your agency to grand manipulators NEVER works.
Most of us weren’t looking for any kind of guru. We were just living our lives. Not in a cult, never was. There are Front Groups for Scientology that have infiltrated every aspect of society. Narcanon, now being investigated in the UK. Scholastic programs. WISE. They bankrupted, then bought a Cult Awareness non-profit. They buy the favour of police and various municipal services. They intimidate, corrupt and infiltrate every organization that might benefit them. Even our own circle. They “befriend” much like groomers do. They use their millions to use the legal system as a weapon. And Grant Cardone is a good friend of the Leader of the GOP. He’s even donated to Scientology. Also, the Nation of Islam is affiliated with them. He gets kickbacks from them for every person the leader gets involved. Like a MLM.
I did the same, spent 300k, and in the end, when I needed the help. They did nothing to help me not to collapse. I almost had to close my business but they did not care about it at all.
I used to like Cardone and bought his sales training online. It helped. But I never understood people wearing his merchandise. I'm like, "If I'm going to wear a hat promoting something, it's going to be MY company." Why are WE promoting HIS stuff over our own?!
That gets into the idolizing aspect. Because he convinces you that when others see you in proximity or association with someone succesful, it increases your value by third party validation. This is one thing that he teaches too.
If you supported his online training, you’re supporting Scientology and alleged Child Grooming tactics and likely Child Trafficking. They move minors around secretly, often don’t allow their parents to parent them. They don’t recognize “children”. They’re all adults in little bodies. He’s one of their biggest donors.
Introvert with PTSD here. Best way to get me to walk away and never think about buying something again.... apply pressure. As soon as I feel pressure like that, I'm out. I HATE that sales people are taught to push like that.
I actually love a pushy salesman because I don’t bite on it and I love watching the frustration. I’ve had them cuss me out. I spent 2 hours on the phone with one recently trying to sell me a $12k mentorship program. I did all my chores while I drug him along. He even tried the tactic where they stop talking and let the awkward silence add pressure to me… I just stayed silent and loudly did my dishes in the sink. We didn’t speak for 10 minutes until he gave up on that tactic 😂 it was so fun
I'm dealing with this for buying my first car. Crazy! The middle men in retail are scammers 95% of the time. The only way to get a fair price is to manipulate the salesman, and finance manager. If you write a check at the end and they think you were going to finance it there is a 50/50 chance they kick you out. And if they don't they tell you to never come back.
I followed Grant some years ago, I purchased his socks and a hoodie. After those purchases his company called me to invest in Cardone Capitol. Being Retired military and learning how to read between the lines really fast I learned that Cardone Capitol is a fund used to raise money. This money is used to buy multifamily apartments so that he manages, promotes and maintains all for what it seems like a small amount but, actually while hes getting a couple million in management fees a year you're getting peanuts back because there's thousands of people investing. Basically you're investing/paying him to become a million dollar manager of a million dollar business created by you. It's a scam that you fell for. I seen how this guy drained a kids credit card trying to get a job at his company because this kid had a bill with him. He cares only about money and he chose to put a kid in debt, disrespect this kid and kick him out rather than turn this kid into a benefit to his company.
He creates private REITs but rather than you buying shares of it yourself in the open market he locks you in so he can continue investing. Not illegal but agressive.
I was a telemarketer in college. I always pisses off my managers because if someone wasn’t interested I told them to have a good day and took them off the list. Even though they got mad I still got telemarketer of the months. Few times and I was able to spend more time talking with people who were either interested or thinking about it. The ones who were thinking got their questions answered and some just took the number to call back when they made a decision, others made an appointment with the sales team. I never understood why we were supposed to push people who clearly were not interested in home improvements.
Because they push the Numbers Game. They’re not interested in any other effective tactics. Sounds like you practiced good sales. Not just a gambling mindset.
Now the model is being used to sell cannabis. The areas where it’s growing the quickest have Scientology centres popping up. It’s good for money laundering. And “business tactics”.
Hi Folks, i'm a taxi driver, and did my homework on Mr. Cardone, and I can safely say that something was off about this guy. I came to the conclusion to sit back, wait, and watch his victims eventually come out, and for a cab driver, I deserve an A+. Not bad. Not bad at all. =)
I have followed Grant for 7-years now, I’ve watched almost all his UA-cam videos for free and paid for Cardone University for 2-years. Absolutely loved his content and didn’t commit to buying anything more. At some point Accountability has to kick in, people are in control of what they purchase or commit to!
Right. Again, I take accountability. But taking accountability goes both ways and that means the person who manipulates others needs to be accountable as well. It's happens to the best people and you can do your own research on how someone can incept, deceive, and trick. But it's a real thing.
Yes he grabbed my email a long time ago and pitch me his newest master mind class every single time.. Watched enough of his videos and figured his tactics out. I am an insurance sales person for 18 years.. Think they could fool me with their paid for shit never me..
@@muncefiji yes we do. Just be careful because if you think that you are above being brain washed or manipulated, you'll go down a rabbit hole or already be in one and not even know it until you climb out.
The whole idea of "we break you down so that we can build you back up" is exactly what one of my friends mentioned when he described what his sergeants at military boot camp were telling him and his fellow recruits. It's an interesting parallel to notice.
The military literally will brainwash you while in basic training so you will die while following orders that make no sense.. I saw it while in basic as I entered older all the young kids were completely unaware they were being brainwashed..
My physician assistant program at University of South Carolina did that too. They told me how my body was wrong and my chest was too big to be a P.A. On day one they told everyone the better students haven mental health issues and are on meds. They set up a doctor for you to see to get Ritalin so you'd perform better. K-razy !
Breaking you down to build back up into the IMAGE they want you as, is textbook MK ultra.. All about ultering the way your brain works to fit their molds..
@@TheMisguidedMentor listening your interview with Aaron right now. About 10 mins in. Hoping you both got into more that side of the conversation. Not that it matters.. But for context I was raised in the cult of Jehovah's Witnesses. Nothing is perfect. But I am glad you found your way out Ben.
@@TheMisguidedMentoryou know something that’s kind of crazy… I drove my BEST FRIEND of 15 years off to an interview, for an editor, video person for Cardone, and he got the job, and stopped speaking to me and our other best friend, and for years it took me soooo much questioning of was it me? Was I a shitty friend to him? Until I finally concluded it had nothing to do with me. As far as I know, Jonny is still the camera 🎥 man
@@archieblanco2399 holy shit, that is crazy dude. That's that Scientology disconnection nonsense they teach. I've met Jonny several times and I believe he's even shot some of my testimonials. That's too bad. What's even crazier is that you took him to the interview, lol. Sounds like you were a great friend to me.
@@TheMisguidedMentor yea it’s super wild!! Anytime I came “home” from the army, he was always at the airport with my family. When I got out of the army, I got a severance pay, and his utilities were going to get cut off, and I picture text him front and back of my card so he could take care of it. Also spent 24k in 7 days on/with him. Definitely glad you knew who I was talking about, and happy you responded. You’re a bad ass, and hope all is well on your end 🫡
Unless we’re growing and producing everything we consume, there’s always a middleman. Consider that China is the middleman for most businesses in the world. Including Amazon.
Worked at a furniture store chain in Wisconsin and they tried to force us to watch “sales training” that was the 10x Cardone thing. The whole company was obsessed with the Tony Robbin’s stuff. The Executives went and spent money on the expensive Tony Robbin’s trips and things. I pushed back on them trying to force us to do that stuff because it felt very culty to me. The whole company culture is kind of culty.
@@lanskandal1181 I hadn't heard that. These days so many people have behavior like cults. Too many people are followers and can't think for themselves.
Not according to predatory capitalism. It’s just getting started. Most people who use cannabis are using these techniques in their networks. MLM practices are the basis of it. And they seem to be encouraging Scientology to set up house nearby. They’re useful for money laundering.
I am 100%certain that AaronSmithLevin would loove to interview Ben! He really enjoys taunting cardone, because Aaron is an SP, so cardone can't even in any way acknowledge Aaron
@Darlene - an SP is a Suppressive Person which is anyone that pushes back against the teachings of Scientology. As soon as you question anything negative (aka seeing through the BS), you are now dead to them and are an SP.
Thank you SO MUCH for expanding to business cults and gurus. I’m seeing this same thing cropping up everywhere now. Perfect timing and I hope to see more!
I recently applied for Cardone Ventures as a accounting professional and I watched the video of a day in the life of the company and I was instantly turned off by their unrealistic happiness. It was so cult like and scary. They reached out a second time to try and set-up an interview. I replied no thanks with the picture of the cult lady Jennifer from Family Guy season 1 that tilts her head in the e-mail.
I'm so glad you're talking about this. These financial cults are really dangerous and ruin lives. Dan Lok is another financial "guru" that comes to mind.
Yes I still have dozens of friends who remain involved with this community even though they’ve noticed red flags and are not in alignment with GC or what they promote. Dan Lok is definitely another great example of one of this as well
Krista Mashore associates with Grant Cardone, and this is her training to a "t". During her 3 day training, she gave very basic advice, brought in a lot of people who took her training to show "success", then said that we needed her to hold our hand in order to be successful because we can't do it on our own. Then brought out the $30,000 price tag. There were so many people struggling to even get their real estate business off the ground who were jumping at the opportunity to spend money they didn't have to join her "team".
Yes, it’s unfortunate that there are numerous people out here modeling & mimicking GC and his deceitful approach. It teaches them to chase peoples money instead of actually caring for people
I was in a real estate group for 5 years. The leader encouraged me to take classes at the Clearwater Mothership SCIENTOLOGY building and swore he was Not a scientologist. The Truth Is flipping real estate is hard. If you're really experienced it gets better, especially if you can do your own work. It takes a lot of money to do home projects, it's not cheap, materials alone. I've used many contractors. I'm still finishing projects 4 1/2 years later , struggling to do it alone and taking time to figure it out along the way. Yes, there's a payoff, but it's not how they portray it. It's so not.
@@porshamills4259, while greed sits in ppl, cults will flourish. Ppl believe they can get easy money if they pay these guys to do magic. There is no magic! Things have to be earned and deserved.
@@samanthanelson5143 some people enjoy aggressive sales and being a trickster, its not for everyone. Some people would rather a more honest life. I mean, we're all different. The man in this video learnt his lesson, at a very expensive price...
@@TheMisguidedMentor I had the same experience with a business partner, who was great at marketing, a liar, braggart and narcissist, but extremely hard working and very creative. He was also violent to women, drank too much and did too much cocaine. It took a few years to get out of that situation, but not before I was in the gutter with less than nothing. A great lesson in who I didn't want to be.
I was part of a company who is his largest customer. The most toxic horrible experience I’ve ever experienced at a workplace. Absolutely awful. I’m trying to get the word out about it but I don’t know how to do it legally.
I can speak from experience. Grant is NOT the person you should be looking up to for advice. Extremely selfish, and only cares about revenue. No care for actually helping people. Copies Scientology exactly. I used to work for the company. I had to quit once I saw all the red flags.
Then you know. I remember your face. I’ve been following you for a minute on Instagram. You’ve always looked familiar, I just can’t remember if I met you at one of his events or not
Excellent video, so many "cults" in our world, organized religion, self-help groups, and anytime anyone puts themselves between you and your higher power they take your power. You are the expert of you! Go within!
I took a break from your channel after an episode just gutted me. You're doing such wonderful things on your channel and now I get to binge on episodes. Great job guys. I'm so happy you're tackling this genre.
no idea how i found my way to this video... but wow!!! what a great interview! im familiar with cardone, not a fan though lol... but really glad for cardone to make me aware of this channel and ben john! thank you for sharing all of this! powerful! much love from germany! p.s. souls on the right mission - like all 3 of you - are the kind that give me most hope in this insane world these days!
I just discovered this channel. Such great content! Thank you so much EDIT: You guys ask such great questions. I feel like I'm simultaneously watching a crash course on how to correctly interview people. You guys are pros at this!
This is EXACTLY how they hook you in MLMs- call to action, personal connection aka they usually trauma dump, tell some deeply personal, traumatic story. Typically they like to pick one that will either touch or connect w/ something a lot of people can relate to in some way- like a loved one dying & they hook you & make you feel connected even via social media.
Yes! I've known about Cardone for awhile now... He's always pushed his status, on people! This has always rubbed me wrong, and I felt that his being unauthentic was his vibe- 😮
This was amazing and terrifying. I actually ordered the kids program for my son when I was homeschooling and he hated it so we didn’t stick with it, but it was really framed as the “it” thing for single mom’s who want to raise sons with good mentorship they don’t get from a father figure. Now I’m really glad we didn’t keep using it.
Yes, did you hear the part where my daughter was mentioning to me how she was trying to answer the questions the way that it should be ethically answered? The system would not allow her to pass a course until it was answered their way
@@samanthadegroot2915 exactly. Sounds like he had the same experience. My daughter said to me. . . " Dad, I'm happy that you didn't keep doing Grants stuff because I didn't like it"
I remember justifying my decision to postpone buying a house when I should have in small part on bad advice from Cardone. He advised to rent the space you live in and use the money you would use on a mortgage in the stock market. It seems obvious now that he wanted you to invest in HIS company and to keep as many people being rent cash cows as possible instead of building wealth tbrough home ownership. He's part of an elite that wants us being as financially dependent on the elite as possible for housing, etc.
Yes he promotes not to buy a house a creates a narrative to convince you of why he thinks it’s not a good idea. That just fits his agenda to have you invest with him, like you mentioned. It’s pretty obvious when you break it down.
I went to a Green Dentist in Clearwater, FL who harassed me for a year to return and get going on her $80,000 dental work plan and specifically told me not to choose buying a house instead of getting the work done . I bought a small house.
He has many good ideas … that’s how he became wealthy without having started with anything. He says you should invest in multi family housing … while buying a house is a sound move … it’s not a quick way to wealth it takes 30 years … he’s trying to make people rich … quickly. If you’re uncomfortable in investing and running your property … he has an investment vehicle in which you can give him money … like a REIT… that’s not a scam thought … you know what it is and you know that any investment vehicle comes with risk
@@TrollHunterxXx Then why was he literally in tears in a 2020 video, because everyone wanted their money back as this is how a ponzi works Read the contract as I can bet it doesn't favor the investor
He would never say buy stocks he would advise to use that money to buy multifamily real estate instead which is way smarter than buying yourself a house that isn’t going to produce any cashflow.
Unfortunately with my lack of success and hard times I also went down the cardone rabbit holes. Luckily I was too broke to get that far in but definitely see how people do. I remember he was doing a cardone capital deal and had a elderly lady called in asking how much she should put in . He bluntly asked her how much you got. She explained all the money she had in different places and he straight up said all of it ! No conscious apt all. That made me feel bad for her and kinda woke me up. Also watching him on other people’s podcast when they questioned him hard questions he would be like a egotistical jerk and start bullying them . Always using his net worth as why he’s doing the right thing. I truly hope this gets out to everyone that has to get more Cardone. Thank you for your story and I hope to get to the spiritual level you are asap!
I'm sorry you got a taste of it. On the flip side, I'm happy you didn't get caught up in it any longer than you did. Yes, I have been saying that it's hard to know what the aggressive and self serving environment and energy is like until you experience it. Hopefully we can continue to bring awareness and save someone some heartache with our stories.
Thank you. Yes, there are some people who just won't wake up until they experience it. Hopefully one person here's this and pays attention to any bad feeling they get in this type of scenario.
I went to one of their meetings and FELT the cult feeling… The one good thing I got from it was to call my father and tell him I FORGIVE him. But it wasn’t for him, it was to release the burden from me…
@@tythebelieveguy4228 yuck. As soon as they say no outside communication, I'd be out of it. Freaks. But hey, I'm glad you got something out of it and didn't fall for it.
Landmark is not expensiv in germany. a good friend was at landmark. worked for them for free. it was impossible to help him before he was burned out and not useful for landmark anymore.
I did it for one day ! Lol I left because I was there to learn something. But everyone was there fighting with the speakers. Most of the people there were made to go from a family member giving them ultimatums . It was so culty . We had to make a promise to the person next to us . Give phone number in a basket . There were people standing at the doors in suits with there arms crossed like security guards. At the start they said no one has to be here . If you want to leave you can leave now and we will give you your money back now. But if you leave after this point you won't. It just got worse and worse from there lol as I left they stopped me to make sure I gave my name badge back. I was told I'm not allowed to go public with any of the course. We weren't allowed to take notes . I had a note book and they told me no you can't do that. I said i just learn better with point taking. They said i wasnt allowed to. . .... I left after lunch and they already did enough weird crap . There were 2 more days left..
Haven't started, but I'm SO happy you're covering a business guru. They use such predatory practices to bring people who just want to find success in their business and make it seem like they have the only answer to all of their problems. Can't wait to listen
This episode isn’t sitting quite right with me. I feel like something is being sold to me? Kind of the same feeling I would get when missionaries would knock on my door when I was a kid. I know you all read these comments and I hope I am not coming across as disrespectful. I so appreciate the work you do on this channel, and maybe it’s a “me” problem more than anything else. Regardless, I’m sure Ben went through some nasty business in this organization and that can’t be denied! I’m glad he got out and I hope he continues his journey of growth away from that life.
I said the same thing! He really seems like he’s not fully out of it mentally. He’s still on the “selling grind”. I’m worried for him that he’s gona get sucked into another group or….form his own…
I'm definitely not selling anything in this interview and don't see how anything I said would suggest that. So that would mean it's your feeling, yes. No agenda with me other than to wake people up though. Thank you for the upliftment in my growth.
@@MDMuppetBones I own several businesses yes. In order for any business to do well, they have to sell something. The way I approach it is ethical and the way it should be though. Sales is ok. If a business didn't sell they would be out of business or a non profit. I'm not in the position to be a non profit at this moment though. Hope you understand
Wow! I loved this interview! I want to learn more about him, and read his books! I can relate so much to this guest! Powerful message, that I needed to hear! Thank-You! In Gratitude! ♥️😎🎻
A few years back I started a new job and I had a really off feeling about my boss. He suggested I read this book (the 10x rule by Cardone). As an avid reader, I read it in a few days. I was soooo turned off by Cardone and the messages in the book. I looked into him further and realized quickly he was a grifter. That sealed the deal in my knowing that leaving that job was the right choice. I feel like I really dodged a bullet.
@@cooper8318 have you read it? If so and you have to ask, we likely won't agree on this. The whole 10x idea is the definition of toxic hustle culture. Not a way I want to live.or view the world.
I have many thoughts on this one. First of all, I'm glad Ben got out of this scammy cult. BUT i have a few thoughts... First of all - we live in capitalism. Entrepreneurs are not there to "help" people and I'd like to argue that the current economical system we live in facilitate the kind of scams Cardone has set up. Entrepreneurs are.. Per se and in the capitalist system, always self serving. Second of all - and I say that with no judgement - i find the whole speaking to the dead, suddenly finding religion, seeing dreams and connections everywhere a little worrying. I wish all the best for Ben
Thanks for your feedback and thoughts. I'm here to change the self development industry in several different ways to encourage people to start caring for others and not serve themselves, chase money, or an outcome. Most operate this way, yes. But I don't and I'm here to change the standard. I also up against a giant battle to do that but my frequency and consistency will outframe that over time and uplift others to do the same. When I brought up my personal experiences, I never mentioned that I found religion and only mentioned my spiritual journey. I am not religious and it is important to distinguish the two from each other. People who have not experienced what I have will not get what I'm saying, and that's ok. I'm not here to convince but only share my experience. But I believe that if you can bring yourself to let go of 'everything' that you may hold onto, you most likely will have a similar moment like mine and when that happens it will be an undeniable feeling.
Humans are self serving by default. Like most things there are positives and negatives with this. Whether things are self serving or not is not the point but rather what the outcome is. Do you think a conservative rural farmer would grow vegetables that some liberal city hipster would eat because he likes to feed people? He does it for profit.
I used that explanation to describe how I was receiving a certain feeling to do something specific without communicating to anyone about it. You missed the point.
Good point. One thing that I have called him and others out for is that they don't practice anything they preach. It's the whole "do as I say, not as I do" behavior
@@TheMisguidedMentor he didn’t know that though. He knows most are going to use a Master’s in Accounting to be stuck in an underpaid overworked accounting job. Instead of how he used his accounting degree
I may be poor but I'm not stupid. I've never seen so many people praise Grant "clown" Cardone as much as they do today. It's nuts just like a lot of people.
@@TheMisguidedMentor I think that people should stop trying to emulate someone else’s pathway to success especially when that someone became successful in a different time era when the world was different. Most of those systems don’t work today because the world has changed & that’s why people should just focus on their own path. I’m sorry that I sounded harsh but I’m just tired of people believing in others more than they believe in themselves.
I agree with you about people doing thier own thing & looking inside themselves rather than chasing others for success and answers. Now that I’ve been through it, I can see why it happens to the best of people. Not knowing yourself, having just a little uncertainty, wanting to do more, etc. There’s so many reasons why it happens. Now I’m out here uplifting people the right way. They already have everything they need inside of them.
@@killingsley yes, which is why I can clearly see how I got sucked into that and why I also saw highly successful people drinking the kool-aid as well. One is things I encourage now is knowing yourself so that you don't model and mimic or adopt someone else's mindset.
This was a great interview. I can't help but think surely something is illegal there? I was especially upset hearing about the child indoctrination classes. Just the image of a kid pressing the correct, moral answer and having the computer say, "nope, try again". Very freakie!
Yes my daughter told me about that experience but did not tell me here experience at the time because I was so passionate about that process. So she kept it herself unfortunately.
Excellent interview. What a genuine guy and good soul. Just goes to show how someone whoe is very level headed can still get suckered in. I am glad he is giving back now. I always had a bad feeling about Cardone and this solidified my feelings.
Thank you so much for the kind words. You are absolutely right too. It can happen to the best people and is. I still have friends in Grants organization who are successful by themselves and still can't seem to leave, even after seeing red flags.
1:04:50 I’m sorry cuz I did enjoy Ben’s interview, but people CAN and ARE making things like this up. Many books with stories about direct spiritual connections or “visions” that in the wrong hands (Lori daybell) of people with mental illness have led to some horrendous acts 💔hopefully he isn’t going to try to convince others they can have the SAME connection he has found…the talk of receiving “downloads” is concerning imho
It’s just the language that people aren’t comfy with because it can be weaponized against people. If someone said, “god told me to share my wealth” no one would bat an eye. Or “god put it on my heart…” or “my intuition led me to…”
I have nothing to gain by lying about any of this and you can see my journey that I document on my social media highlights, how Grant respond (or doesn't rather). You can also see my feed going all the way back when I was fully engrossed int the community up until I make the shift. My spiritual journey is my own just like anyone else's. I will be writing a book about it because there are several people who have witnessed the stories that I would never be able to make up. This is what pure authenticity, confidence, & passion looks and sounds like. I'm glad that you enjoyed the interview.
Yes very similar. I actually feel bad about how I turned people onto Grant over the years. In that regard, it’s like I was recruiting without even knowing it. 🤦♂️
I didn't watch your video (1 hour is a lot of time), but ever since I saw a video of Grant Cardone, I could instantly tell he was a person that made money off others in a cult like way. He just gave me very weird vibes. The way he talks and how he believes that his way is the only way. Guys, be careful with online gurus, in this day and age it's hard to distinguish them from the pyramid scheme folks back then. Everyone is out to get money, and it's easier to take money from others than to actually provide real value. The internet and social media just made it exponentially easier.
I'm a teeny tiny anti-mlm creator and Cardone is a hero in MLM and it's terrible. They coach to coach to coach and basically say you have to pay to play. It's disgusting especially as it is usually aimed at people already struggling. Looking at the bite model - it's all cult all the time!
Exactly. I've heard them all from Grant. "Those who pay, pay attention", You need to get in proximity", "You need to get in the right rooms", " Commit first, figure the rest out later" . . .It's all manipulative nonsense
I did get some benefits from reading that 10X book. I think the key with these self help gurus is, it’s fine to read their books and take some of their advice, but don’t get sucked into the rabbit hole of any further services they offer without very careful, objective consideration.
His message is so important to get out there. I wish there was someone to talk about the cult of trump, which reminds me so much of the callousness of some men, in their drive to attain money, no matter who gets hurt.
And apparently, you can’t question anything or the group piles on you. My brother has turned into a completely different person and not sure he realizes how many people have walked away. I heard a podcast that talks about how they are addicted to the rage.
This came up at random- very good all around! I like how the hostessing has the balance between formally organized and then informal and loose as well. Great questions
Well done, as always! I enjoyed hearing this perspective. I was apart of an insurance MLM years ago and there were so many things that he talked about that were regularly used to bring in “business”. After being apart of something like that for over a year, I can look back now and see all the red flags and they always pushed accountability. I’m 38 now and I’ve never been more depressed or hated myself more than when apart of that world. Business doesn’t need to involve self depreciation from others. Thanks for doing this interview. I watch everything you put out but this one really had me being able to relate.
I’m happy you related to this topic. It’s definitely something that I’m bringing light to, frequently, so that I can wake people up to what they may be involved in. It’s a very common scenario these days that needs talked about more
Thanks for sharing! 😂 I peeped his game a long time ago. Anyone who puts pressure and persistence on anything is a scammer. They’ve been call and emailed me too many times. I don’t have $1,500.00 to go to see him talk. If I put that on the stock market, I might double my money in a few minutes. Or lose it at my own risk. lol 😆
I’ve always said the harder someone tries to convince or persuade someone to buy means they are lacking confidence in themselves, the service/product, or both. Glad you seen it coming a mile away 👌
I was considering doing the next great American speaker , the zoom meeting was bazaar to me. They really make you feel awful if you can’t afford to pay them $100 for their training course. I am glad I found you tonight, I was considering paying him, but had a bad gut feeling!!
I’m glad that I helped bring awareness. Whether you are paying them $100 or $100k and /or hesitate to pay them. . . they will treat you the same way and shame you into spending more with them.
I spent close to 4 million dollars with Mr card one… also spent about the same at the church of Scientology… left about 6 months ago and I can finally see how destructive the entire guru/church scene was to me and my family… Still have family spending money and following the gurus but with my help I hope to get them out!
A huge red flag was GC's wife saying everything is your fault. That is exactly what Scientologists say to their members! I see the structure, as mentioned, very similar. Payingbfor higher and higher priced programs and retreats. The question that comes to mind is, what could this one man possibly teach/know that is worth 400k? I've thought about that for much less... 100k masterminds and such.
Yes, that victim blaming is a terrible way to treat people. Whatever promises they were making for your business for 400k. . . It’s BS and not worth that much
So good. I’ve been “whammied” so much in my life from growing up in the “Shiny Happy People” cult, “culty” manipulative relationships, and then working for a car dealership that engrained & REQUIRED Cardone cult teachings… so interesting to me how I was sucked into these cult-like relationships & businesses because of my programming/indoctrination as a child.
‘FEAR of the organization coming after them!’ I still have friends doling out their money to repeat the courses…Not a religion…but a cult is a cult! I’m still not enlightened! Damn
Isn’t it ironic the fundraiser for children w/o fathers when it’s normal practice for children to be separated from their parents in Scientology so they can all be put to work asap wherever necessary? Was the fundraiser for children of Scientology??? Woooow, if he is pocketing that fundraiser money that’s HIGHLY illegal & something he could actually be charged for if they were able to find proof. He’d need to show some proof of donation.
I'm not sure if that money even went towards that cause. My 10 year old daughter talked about her experience on one of my instagram posts about this moment. It was quite funny how she was calling him out, lol. Definitely something fishy and unprofessional about him stuffing it into his pocket though
What money? To invest? I personally have it from growing my first construction company. Yes, the numbers are close enough. Maybe not down to the penny but Boone cares about that
Cult of capitalism This is touching on something fundamental in the collective. It requires some deep inner work to see the shadow that dwells with the self ego.
For me. . . Greed was at the bottom of list of reasons why. I wasn’t desperate. I was just deceived. Of course I was lacking and didn’t know myself completely. Now everything is clear and I can say that I do know myself very well. This particular organization is directly related to a “cult” though since Grant is a Scientologist
I don't know if the video is up. It was like a fireside chatt with Ed Myyet and Grant. And Ed looked irritated by Grant. And i think it was over strategy. And i think Ed Sinced Grant is not a Ethical person and hell do anything to be successful.
Lol, that's not what I said. Funny how people blow that out of proportion. I used an alien documentary to explain how I was receiving downloads. Worshipping Xenu and using an alien documentary to describe something are two different things.
The older I get, the more I realize the lower the moral standard the easier it is to make money. Very sad that kids don’t realize they aren’t on the “inside” they are the mark….
I’m so happy to see this information get out into the community.
People, entrepreneurs, & business owners need to hear these type of stories so they can be aware of the cult like aspect that will suck them into a life they never thought they’d be involved in.
I noticed that it’s not talked about enough for numerous reasons.
Embarrassment, fear of not fitting in, fear of the organization coming after them, etc.
My intention isn’t to make Grant look bad, but rather wake people up.
I’m one of the rare individuals who does not back off & I have a purpose to enlighten people to things they may be ignoring or blinded to.
My hope is that one person in one of these types of communities hears what I’m saying & recognizes something that I’m talking about that is a red flag or not in alignment with thief values/morals.
My purpose is to help others with this message.
Not to serve me in any way.
Success is in everyone one of us & we don’t “need” to seek it in others.
Thanks so much for sharing, Ben! Your voice is valuable in this space and it’s great that you’re willing to speak up and shed light so hopefully others don’t find themselves trapped.
Knowing ourself is key here, still many don't trust their intuition as this shapes how you interact with others and can lead to deeper, more fruitful relationships. It also frees one from the expectations of others, allowing you to be your authentic self. "Truth never changes, only our awareness of it." Malcolm X ~
@@cindihunter9119 absolutely. I can do a longer interview on this topic alone. There is so much to dive into on spirituality, intuition, & letting go.
I'm working on doing a documentary on my entire experience and stories that are unbelievable.
It essentially revealed everything about myself and society and allowed me to tap into this frequency that most people ignore.
A large number of people do not know themselves and that is what invites the fears, uncertainty, & ultimately results in guys like GC being able to shape and mold you into a character that you are not.
@@CultstoConsciousness absolutely. I appreciate you letting me share my story on your platform. I'm certain that something I said resonated with some folks. I already have had numerous people reach out and let me know that they got value from my testimony.
Thank you
Good info! Please make sure to be careful any future feelings or intuitions aren't coming from other people. :-)
When I kept blaming others for scamming me, I still got scammed. When I blamed myself for getting scammed, I started seeing scams coming a mile away.
Exactly. The accountability is still there for me. I still need to call this out and share my experience. Blame is not the best word because it suggests shame but the fact is it's happening to successful people everywhere.
Also, if all I did was blame myself, that would lead into a victim mentality.
the best armor against the malevolence of the world is seeing your role in it.. good for you for employing some wisdom.
@@genebuchanan7130 thank you for that positive viewpoint.
Study narcissism and psychopathy, so you can SPOT these 'people...' from across the room. (There are those who remain 'blind' to the 'cult' societal, to personal 'programming...' and those of us who always KNEW something was seriously OFF with these perps! (I recall seeing the movie "They Live," in the early 1980s... and didn't GET what it was about, until later on. Those who are prone to so- called "codependency..." STILL have to deal with their narcy, etc. "family, of origin?" Or later go: "no contact?" (Or alternately: very 'limited,' contact??') This is precisely what the "elitists" worldwide, throughout history... have 'exploited' the remaining90% + with, BTW! (i.e. Governments, religions, the BAR, bankers, corporations, Medea, etc., etc.)
Blame doesn’t work well whichever way it’s directed.
If we don’t discover the cause AND deal with our own shortcomings, that’s the problem.
Remember Blame is something they used, so people involved were used to blaming themselves.
Didn’t help them see the big picture.
It’s slso what groomers do. So, if it’s in our culture to target vulnerabilities, those who are the most vulnerable WILL get targeted.
We can’t condone it on any level.
Just started but cardone is a scientologists. Aaron Smith-levin from growing up in Scientology has done many videos about Grant. Im sure Grant has learned a lot of the culty behaviors from scientology.
Literally came here to say: someone tell A-aron about this!! 😂
@@carynbrock4667oh boy he’s gonna love this 😆
Have you seen the video Aaron and Shelise did together?
Came to say this!
Glad you mentioned that, since it’s important context.
The one thing you’ll notice about scam coaches is there’s never an end where you don’t need them.
Yes & now that I realize what Scientilogy is, I can see the similarities in that approach
@@TheMisguidedMentor yep you will always “need” them
@@TheMisguidedMentor Maybe keep in mind that Cardone is a friend of the Trump family. They donated to Scientology.
Their tactics are the same that many politicians are using.
@@Ketowski I'm starting to learn this now.
I was roped into one of these type cults by a sister. It really wrecked my progress and took years to overcome. It ruined relationships including the family ones definitively. Giving up your agency to grand manipulators NEVER works.
Anytime you go looking for a Guru you give your power away when they show up.
Be your own Guru its the only safe place to be
Amen!
Exactly!!!!
Yes!!! You are the guru!
No to gurus. Been there, done that many times. My real Lord now is Jesus Christ. Guru just means from darkness to light.
Most of us weren’t looking for any kind of guru. We were just living our lives.
Not in a cult, never was.
There are Front Groups for Scientology that have infiltrated every aspect of society.
Narcanon, now being investigated in the UK. Scholastic programs.
WISE.
They bankrupted, then bought a Cult Awareness non-profit.
They buy the favour of police and various municipal services.
They intimidate, corrupt and infiltrate every organization that might benefit them. Even our own circle. They “befriend” much like groomers do.
They use their millions to use the legal system as a weapon.
And Grant Cardone is a good friend of the Leader of the GOP. He’s even donated to Scientology.
Also, the Nation of Islam is affiliated with them. He gets kickbacks from them for every person the leader gets involved. Like a MLM.
I did the same, spent 300k, and in the end, when I needed the help. They did nothing to help me not to collapse. I almost had to close my business but they did not care about it at all.
Yes it’s very common.
Sorry to hear this.
Hopefully it worked out afterwards
@@TheMisguidedMentor Keep trying to run my cards 6 times daily. Imagine
I used to like Cardone and bought his sales training online. It helped. But I never understood people wearing his merchandise. I'm like, "If I'm going to wear a hat promoting something, it's going to be MY company." Why are WE promoting HIS stuff over our own?!
That gets into the idolizing aspect.
Because he convinces you that when others see you in proximity or association with someone succesful, it increases your value by third party validation.
This is one thing that he teaches too.
That’s why you’re doing better than most people who were there
@@TheMisguidedMentorresidual clout 😅
If you supported his online training, you’re supporting Scientology and alleged Child Grooming tactics and likely Child Trafficking. They move minors around secretly, often don’t allow their parents to parent them. They don’t recognize “children”. They’re all adults in little bodies.
He’s one of their biggest donors.
Whattttt are you serious
I have always hated the high pressure approach of retail. It has been a terrible experience for an introvert.
Yes and it ignores the fact that many people respond to sales pressure by leaving.
Introvert with PTSD here. Best way to get me to walk away and never think about buying something again.... apply pressure. As soon as I feel pressure like that, I'm out. I HATE that sales people are taught to push like that.
Oh man, YES. It nearly broke me! At least I didn't have a cult like this on top of it.
I actually love a pushy salesman because I don’t bite on it and I love watching the frustration. I’ve had them cuss me out. I spent 2 hours on the phone with one recently trying to sell me a $12k mentorship program. I did all my chores while I drug him along. He even tried the tactic where they stop talking and let the awkward silence add pressure to me… I just stayed silent and loudly did my dishes in the sink. We didn’t speak for 10 minutes until he gave up on that tactic 😂 it was so fun
I'm dealing with this for buying my first car. Crazy! The middle men in retail are scammers 95% of the time. The only way to get a fair price is to manipulate the salesman, and finance manager. If you write a check at the end and they think you were going to finance it there is a 50/50 chance they kick you out. And if they don't they tell you to never come back.
I followed Grant some years ago, I purchased his socks and a hoodie. After those purchases his company called me to invest in Cardone Capitol. Being Retired military and learning how to read between the lines really fast I learned that Cardone Capitol is a fund used to raise money. This money is used to buy multifamily apartments so that he manages, promotes and maintains all for what it seems like a small amount but, actually while hes getting a couple million in management fees a year you're getting peanuts back because there's thousands of people investing. Basically you're investing/paying him to become a million dollar manager of a million dollar business created by you. It's a scam that you fell for. I seen how this guy drained a kids credit card trying to get a job at his company because this kid had a bill with him. He cares only about money and he chose to put a kid in debt, disrespect this kid and kick him out rather than turn this kid into a benefit to his company.
Sounds like something Grant would do.
It’s unfortunate and you are right.
He is purely after money at the expense of damaging people in his path
Wow your right
Great post, thanks for breaking it down ... I do wish they addressed.These details.More.in the podcast
He creates private REITs but rather than you buying shares of it yourself in the open market he locks you in so he can continue investing. Not illegal but agressive.
I was a telemarketer in college. I always pisses off my managers because if someone wasn’t interested I told them to have a good day and took them off the list. Even though they got mad I still got telemarketer of the months. Few times and I was able to spend more time talking with people who were either interested or thinking about it. The ones who were thinking got their questions answered and some just took the number to call back when they made a decision, others made an appointment with the sales team. I never understood why we were supposed to push people who clearly were not interested in home improvements.
Because bad people get High job positions who are lazy and rather lie and force sells.
Because they push the Numbers Game. They’re not interested in any other effective tactics.
Sounds like you practiced good sales. Not just a gambling mindset.
Me saying "sounds like Scientology" at the same time as the two of you felt spooky 😂
Same here 😂
Same here
Brooo same 😅😊😊😊😢
He, and that whole industry, are like a modern day version of what I recall about Amway back in the 80's and 90's.
Right, exempt Amyway doesn’t promote & Grant is heavily on social media which makes it even more dangerous
Yep u r right
Exactly
I was thinking along the same line.
Now the model is being used to sell cannabis. The areas where it’s growing the quickest have Scientology centres popping up. It’s good for money laundering. And “business tactics”.
Hi Folks, i'm a taxi driver, and did my homework on Mr. Cardone, and I can safely say that something was off about this guy. I came to the conclusion to sit back, wait, and watch his victims eventually come out, and for a cab driver, I deserve an A+. Not bad. Not bad at all. =)
Smart man!
👌
Smart indeed
I have followed Grant for 7-years now, I’ve watched almost all his UA-cam videos for free and paid for Cardone University for 2-years. Absolutely loved his content and didn’t commit to buying anything more. At some point Accountability has to kick in, people are in control of what they purchase or commit to!
Right. Again, I take accountability.
But taking accountability goes both ways and that means the person who manipulates others needs to be accountable as well.
It's happens to the best people and you can do your own research on how someone can incept, deceive, and trick. But it's a real thing.
Yes he grabbed my email a long time ago and pitch me his newest master mind class every single time..
Watched enough of his videos and figured his tactics out.
I am an insurance sales person for 18 years..
Think they could fool me with their paid for shit never me..
Exactly 💯💰💰..
We get to Choose I love Grant Cardone I watch free and.have purchased here and it's not my time yet
@@muncefiji yes we do. Just be careful because if you think that you are above being brain washed or manipulated, you'll go down a rabbit hole or already be in one and not even know it until you climb out.
@@TheMisguidedMentorthis is another concept a lot of people have to learn.
The whole idea of "we break you down so that we can build you back up" is exactly what one of my friends mentioned when he described what his sergeants at military boot camp were telling him and his fellow recruits. It's an interesting parallel to notice.
ua-cam.com/video/GwdG974dOQc/v-deo.htmlsi=tgF9IEi4ALt8Rf72 😁
Other cults have used that strategy as well
The military literally will brainwash you while in basic training so you will die while following orders that make no sense.. I saw it while in basic as I entered older all the young kids were completely unaware they were being brainwashed..
My physician assistant program at University of South Carolina did that too. They told me how my body was wrong and my chest was too big to be a P.A. On day one they told everyone the better students haven mental health issues and are on meds. They set up a doctor for you to see to get Ritalin so you'd perform better.
K-razy !
Breaking you down to build back up into the IMAGE they want you as, is textbook MK ultra.. All about ultering the way your brain works to fit their molds..
Omg he’s turning them into Scientologist without calling Scientology
Exactly.
That’s an even scarier thought.
Scientology HAS business courses without the wacky stuff(they're really expensive). Cardone is just copying it with more of a focus on sales.
@@kir0nz yes exactly. I can see the relation with it now.
Aaron says he's one of the biggest recruiters for SCN..
@@TheMisguidedMentor listening your interview with Aaron right now. About 10 mins in. Hoping you both got into more that side of the conversation. Not that it matters.. But for context I was raised in the cult of Jehovah's Witnesses. Nothing is perfect. But I am glad you found your way out Ben.
THANK YOU for covering this. My landlord has become a Cardone coach and that mixed with issues with our rental make us feel unsettled.
the sooner people figure out they don't need a middle man the better
Exactly. Also, third party validation does not increase your value and shouldn't be confused as a referral
@@TheMisguidedMentoryou know something that’s kind of crazy…
I drove my BEST FRIEND of 15 years off to an interview, for an editor, video person for Cardone, and he got the job, and stopped speaking to me and our other best friend, and for years it took me soooo much questioning of was it me? Was I a shitty friend to him? Until I finally concluded it had nothing to do with me. As far as I know, Jonny is still the camera 🎥 man
@@archieblanco2399 holy shit, that is crazy dude. That's that Scientology disconnection nonsense they teach.
I've met Jonny several times and I believe he's even shot some of my testimonials.
That's too bad.
What's even crazier is that you took him to the interview, lol.
Sounds like you were a great friend to me.
@@TheMisguidedMentor yea it’s super wild!! Anytime I came “home” from the army, he was always at the airport with my family. When I got out of the army, I got a severance pay, and his utilities were going to get cut off, and I picture text him front and back of my card so he could take care of it. Also spent 24k in 7 days on/with him.
Definitely glad you knew who I was talking about, and happy you responded. You’re a bad ass, and hope all is well on your end 🫡
Unless we’re growing and producing everything we consume, there’s always a middleman.
Consider that China is the middleman for most businesses in the world.
Including Amazon.
Worked at a furniture store chain in Wisconsin and they tried to force us to watch “sales training” that was the 10x Cardone thing. The whole company was obsessed with the Tony Robbin’s stuff. The Executives went and spent money on the expensive Tony Robbin’s trips and things.
I pushed back on them trying to force us to do that stuff because it felt very culty to me. The whole company culture is kind of culty.
As a Wisconsinite, I’d love to know which chain. Haha
This reminds me of stuff I've heard about Lululemon...
@@lanskandal1181do you mean lulu rich...gwen shamblin?
@@SHARON.I No, I've heard that Lululemon the activewear brand's work environment is weirdly culty
@@lanskandal1181 I hadn't heard that. These days so many people have behavior like cults. Too many people are followers and can't think for themselves.
The days of external gurus are coming to an end. Live from the inside out❤
I sure hope so.
Great advice too!
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Not according to predatory capitalism. It’s just getting started.
Most people who use cannabis are using these techniques in their networks. MLM practices are the basis of it. And they seem to be encouraging Scientology to set up house nearby. They’re useful for money laundering.
@@Ketowski it wouldn't surprise me.
I am 100%certain that AaronSmithLevin would loove to interview Ben! He really enjoys taunting cardone, because Aaron is an SP, so cardone can't even in any way acknowledge Aaron
Today is a great day not to be in a cult!
@Darlene - an SP is a Suppressive Person which is anyone that pushes back against the teachings of Scientology. As soon as you question anything negative (aka seeing through the BS), you are now dead to them and are an SP.
As soon as I hear who he was talking about, I thought the same thing xx
What's an SP
@@samanthamarie6012 a suppressive person x
Thank you SO MUCH for expanding to business cults and gurus. I’m seeing this same thing cropping up everywhere now. Perfect timing and I hope to see more!
Agreed. We need this.
I recently applied for Cardone Ventures as a accounting professional and I watched the video of a day in the life of the company and I was instantly turned off by their unrealistic happiness. It was so cult like and scary. They reached out a second time to try and set-up an interview. I replied no thanks with the picture of the cult lady Jennifer from Family Guy season 1 that tilts her head in the e-mail.
😂😂😂 well played
It’s very obvious to see the high control atmosphere in that organization when you are awake.
I’m glad that you didn’t get sucked into it!
✌️
I'm so glad you're talking about this. These financial cults are really dangerous and ruin lives. Dan Lok is another financial "guru" that comes to mind.
Yes I still have dozens of friends who remain involved with this community even though they’ve noticed red flags and are not in alignment with GC or what they promote.
Dan Lok is definitely another great example of one of this as well
Dan Locke? Really? He’s a very old friend of mine. Isn’t he in S America still?
"Just work harder" is literally victim blaming.
I’m aware of this Cardone guy through Aaron’s Growing Up In Scientology channel. Interested to see this take on him!
Never been a fan of the money boys on UA-cam but Cardone has always given me an unsettling feeling. This makes sense 😂
Krista Mashore associates with Grant Cardone, and this is her training to a "t". During her 3 day training, she gave very basic advice, brought in a lot of people who took her training to show "success", then said that we needed her to hold our hand in order to be successful because we can't do it on our own. Then brought out the $30,000 price tag. There were so many people struggling to even get their real estate business off the ground who were jumping at the opportunity to spend money they didn't have to join her "team".
Yes, it’s unfortunate that there are numerous people out here modeling & mimicking GC and his deceitful approach.
It teaches them to chase peoples money instead of actually caring for people
I was in a real estate group for 5 years. The leader encouraged me to take classes at the Clearwater Mothership SCIENTOLOGY building and swore he was Not a scientologist.
The Truth Is flipping real estate is hard. If you're really experienced it gets better, especially if you can do your own work. It takes a lot of money to do home projects, it's not cheap, materials alone. I've used many contractors. I'm still finishing projects 4 1/2 years later , struggling to do it alone and taking time to figure it out along the way. Yes, there's a payoff, but it's not how they portray it. It's so not.
That’s how it works. You can’t teach people to force people to buy or sell real estate
@@porshamills4259, while greed sits in ppl, cults will flourish. Ppl believe they can get easy money if they pay these guys to do magic. There is no magic! Things have to be earned and deserved.
Sometimes the best lessons in life are figuring out who you don’t want to be.
Yawn.
@@samanthanelson5143 some people enjoy aggressive sales and being a trickster, its not for everyone. Some people would rather a more honest life. I mean, we're all different.
The man in this video learnt his lesson, at a very expensive price...
That can be very true.
@@TheMisguidedMentor I had the same experience with a business partner, who was great at marketing, a liar, braggart and narcissist, but extremely hard working and very creative. He was also violent to women, drank too much and did too much cocaine.
It took a few years to get out of that situation, but not before I was in the gutter with less than nothing.
A great lesson in who I didn't want to be.
Facts
I was part of a company who is his largest customer. The most toxic horrible experience I’ve ever experienced at a workplace. Absolutely awful. I’m trying to get the word out about it but I don’t know how to do it legally.
You just start talking about it.
If you’re worried, then don’t drop names.
It was an automotive dealership group, wasn't it?
@@richarddepalantino9495 reach out to me about it. I’m working on a lot of different projects to expose every aspect of unethical business practices
PLAY BUTTON! I just noticed it! Congratulations 🎉
Thank you! 🥰
I can speak from experience. Grant is NOT the person you should be looking up to for advice. Extremely selfish, and only cares about revenue. No care for actually helping people. Copies Scientology exactly. I used to work for the company. I had to quit once I saw all the red flags.
Then you know.
I remember your face.
I’ve been following you for a minute on Instagram.
You’ve always looked familiar, I just can’t remember if I met you at one of his events or not
@@TheMisguidedMentor I remember your face as well. Don't believe we spoke. But I definitely remember you though.
@@cjd3grt yeah either a networking event or maybe just instagram since we're both active on there.
Thankfully you got out
What is Bradon Dawson connection? Is he a scientistologist too ? Are the business courses not real ?
Excellent video, so many "cults" in our world, organized religion, self-help groups, and anytime anyone puts themselves between you and your higher power they take your power. You are the expert of you! Go within!
Exactly, great advice!
You need to ask about all of these people’s relationships with their father.
I took a break from your channel after an episode just gutted me. You're doing such wonderful things on your channel and now I get to binge on episodes.
Great job guys. I'm so happy you're tackling this genre.
Welcome back! Breaks are welcomed and encouraged. It can get heavy here. ❤️
More is not always the key. I’m in real estate and can say there is a major overload of “coaches” and pay for courses. It’s insane.
Yes and that industry blew up during Covid, when uncertainty was at its peak.
One of the things I encourage is “less is more”
no idea how i found my way to this video... but wow!!! what a great interview! im familiar with cardone, not a fan though lol... but really glad for cardone to make me aware of this channel and ben john! thank you for sharing all of this! powerful! much love from germany! p.s. souls on the right mission - like all 3 of you - are the kind that give me most hope in this insane world these days!
Really glad that you enjoyed this
Hi! Welcome to C2C! 😁
I just discovered this channel. Such great content! Thank you so much
EDIT: You guys ask such great questions. I feel like I'm simultaneously watching a crash course on how to correctly interview people. You guys are pros at this!
Oh wow! Thanks so much! Welcome to C2C 😁
Same! +1
This is EXACTLY how they hook you in MLMs- call to action, personal connection aka they usually trauma dump, tell some deeply personal, traumatic story. Typically they like to pick one that will either touch or connect w/ something a lot of people can relate to in some way- like a loved one dying & they hook you & make you feel connected even via social media.
You mean like the way I was hooked with Grant explaining his fathers death in his book and that feeling like I could relate?
I had a friend who told me he attended one of Robert Kiyosaki’s events. The scamming method sounds very similar.
It's a thing that's happening too often
Rich dad, poor dad 😂
Grant is not a failure. He’s one of the greatest parasites of all time
It’s so easy to fall into their trap. I got the sense he was a scammer when I saw his ads on FB. Thanks for this interview!!!
Yes falling into their scams can happen tot he best if people, unfortunately.
Yes! I've known about Cardone for awhile now... He's always pushed his status, on people! This has always rubbed me wrong, and I felt that his being unauthentic was his vibe- 😮
This was amazing and terrifying. I actually ordered the kids program for my son when I was homeschooling and he hated it so we didn’t stick with it, but it was really framed as the “it” thing for single mom’s who want to raise sons with good mentorship they don’t get from a father figure. Now I’m really glad we didn’t keep using it.
Yes, did you hear the part where my daughter was mentioning to me how she was trying to answer the questions the way that it should be ethically answered? The system would not allow her to pass a course until it was answered their way
@@TheMisguidedMentor I did. I honestly wonder if that’s why he hated it. He always said it didn’t work right.
We thought the interface was broken
@@samanthadegroot2915 exactly. Sounds like he had the same experience. My daughter said to me. . . " Dad, I'm happy that you didn't keep doing Grants stuff because I didn't like it"
Terrifying that he has kids programs. As a teacher that sounds just awful!
I remember justifying my decision to postpone buying a house when I should have in small part on bad advice from Cardone. He advised to rent the space you live in and use the money you would use on a mortgage in the stock market. It seems obvious now that he wanted you to invest in HIS company and to keep as many people being rent cash cows as possible instead of building wealth tbrough home ownership. He's part of an elite that wants us being as financially dependent on the elite as possible for housing, etc.
Yes he promotes not to buy a house a creates a narrative to convince you of why he thinks it’s not a good idea.
That just fits his agenda to have you invest with him, like you mentioned.
It’s pretty obvious when you break it down.
I went to a Green Dentist in Clearwater, FL who harassed me for a year to return and get going on her $80,000 dental work plan and specifically told me not to choose buying a house instead of getting the work done .
I bought a small house.
He has many good ideas … that’s how he became wealthy without having started with anything. He says you should invest in multi family housing … while buying a house is a sound move … it’s not a quick way to wealth it takes 30 years … he’s trying to make people rich … quickly. If you’re uncomfortable in investing and running your property … he has an investment vehicle in which you can give him money … like a REIT… that’s not a scam thought … you know what it is and you know that any investment vehicle comes with risk
@@TrollHunterxXx Then why was he literally in tears in a 2020 video, because everyone wanted their money back as this is how a ponzi works Read the contract as I can bet it doesn't favor the investor
He would never say buy stocks he would advise to use that money to buy multifamily real estate instead which is way smarter than buying yourself a house that isn’t going to produce any cashflow.
I ran so fast I tripped and kept crawling, I’m not missing this.
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😂😂😂😂 this is a great comment!!!!!!
Bahaha. Ok. I’m stealing this comment😁
$400,000 for the highest level of expertise for a business??!! Ten people had money to waste.
I guess so. That's nothing. There individuals spending millions with him.
The kool-aid is vast and deep
@@TheMisguidedMentor they're free to spend their money on what they want... I dont feel bad for them.
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@@TheMisguidedMentor sounds like you are a fool man
Unfortunately with my lack of success and hard times I also went down the cardone rabbit holes. Luckily I was too broke to get that far in but definitely see how people do. I remember he was doing a cardone capital deal and had a elderly lady called in asking how much she should put in . He bluntly asked her how much you got. She explained all the money she had in different places and he straight up said all of it ! No conscious apt all. That made me feel bad for her and kinda woke me up. Also watching him on other people’s podcast when they questioned him hard questions he would be like a egotistical jerk and start bullying them . Always using his net worth as why he’s doing the right thing. I truly hope this gets out to everyone that has to get more Cardone. Thank you for your story and I hope to get to the spiritual level you are asap!
I'm sorry you got a taste of it. On the flip side, I'm happy you didn't get caught up in it any longer than you did.
Yes, I have been saying that it's hard to know what the aggressive and self serving environment and energy is like until you experience it.
Hopefully we can continue to bring awareness and save someone some heartache with our stories.
Thank you for sharing (keeping it real!). Most people won't believe this is true, until it's too late! Keep it real...
Thank you. Yes, there are some people who just won't wake up until they experience it.
Hopefully one person here's this and pays attention to any bad feeling they get in this type of scenario.
Initially his program seems full of great advice. But I slowly began to realize the predatory nature of it all.
It gets obvious how they operate really quick.
Paying dollars to be broken down= Landmark forum.
I went to one of their meetings and FELT the cult feeling…
The one good thing I got from it was to call my father and tell him I FORGIVE him. But it wasn’t for him, it was to release the burden from me…
@@tythebelieveguy4228 yuck. As soon as they say no outside communication, I'd be out of it. Freaks. But hey, I'm glad you got something out of it and didn't fall for it.
Landmark is not expensiv in germany. a good friend was at landmark. worked for them for free. it was impossible to help him before he was burned out and not useful for landmark anymore.
@@AlfredHimmelweiss my friend here in NZ did the same!
I did it for one day ! Lol I left because I was there to learn something. But everyone was there fighting with the speakers. Most of the people there were made to go from a family member giving them ultimatums . It was so culty . We had to make a promise to the person next to us . Give phone number in a basket . There were people standing at the doors in suits with there arms crossed like security guards. At the start they said no one has to be here . If you want to leave you can leave now and we will give you your money back now. But if you leave after this point you won't. It just got worse and worse from there lol as I left they stopped me to make sure I gave my name badge back. I was told I'm not allowed to go public with any of the course. We weren't allowed to take notes . I had a note book and they told me no you can't do that. I said i just learn better with point taking. They said i wasnt allowed to. . .... I left after lunch and they already did enough weird crap . There were 2 more days left..
Haven't started, but I'm SO happy you're covering a business guru. They use such predatory practices to bring people who just want to find success in their business and make it seem like they have the only answer to all of their problems. Can't wait to listen
Hey Heather 👋👋
Shelise is absolutely glowing so beautiful
I had the same thought! She looks so beautiful ❤️💗❤️💗
Awww 🥰 thank you
Agree, and I love her gentle and beautiful aura that she exudes.
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You're beautiful anyway, but so beautiful and glowing during your pregnancy 😍
This episode isn’t sitting quite right with me. I feel like something is being sold to me? Kind of the same feeling I would get when missionaries would knock on my door when I was a kid. I know you all read these comments and I hope I am not coming across as disrespectful. I so appreciate the work you do on this channel, and maybe it’s a “me” problem more than anything else. Regardless, I’m sure Ben went through some nasty business in this organization and that can’t be denied! I’m glad he got out and I hope he continues his journey of growth away from that life.
I said the same thing! He really seems like he’s not fully out of it mentally. He’s still on the “selling grind”. I’m worried for him that he’s gona get sucked into another group or….form his own…
@@MDMuppetBones I can’t imagine how tough it would be to totally deconstruct from a cult mentality. But yes I agree, the notes are still there.
I'm definitely not selling anything in this interview and don't see how anything I said would suggest that.
So that would mean it's your feeling, yes.
No agenda with me other than to wake people up though.
Thank you for the upliftment in my growth.
@@MDMuppetBones I own several businesses yes. In order for any business to do well, they have to sell something.
The way I approach it is ethical and the way it should be though.
Sales is ok. If a business didn't sell they would be out of business or a non profit.
I'm not in the position to be a non profit at this moment though.
Hope you understand
He can't even quote Grant right.
I was going to ask if we could see some Scientologist. It’s super weird. Thanks for this interview.
Wow! I loved this interview! I want to learn more about him, and read his books! I can relate so much to this guest! Powerful message, that I needed to hear! Thank-You! In Gratitude! ♥️😎🎻
you sound like a fake comment on here ...go to a library it is free
A few years back I started a new job and I had a really off feeling about my boss. He suggested I read this book (the 10x rule by Cardone). As an avid reader, I read it in a few days. I was soooo turned off by Cardone and the messages in the book. I looked into him further and realized quickly he was a grifter. That sealed the deal in my knowing that leaving that job was the right choice. I feel like I really dodged a bullet.
You definitely dodged a bullet and I’m happy that you didn’t go down the brain washing rabbit hole
Thanks for sharing :)
I have that book. What do you dislike about the book?
Yeah, I had a Sales job years ago and the Managers worshipped this guy.....and Jordan Belfort.🙄
@@cooper8318 have you read it? If so and you have to ask, we likely won't agree on this. The whole 10x idea is the definition of toxic hustle culture. Not a way I want to live.or view the world.
I have many thoughts on this one. First of all, I'm glad Ben got out of this scammy cult.
BUT i have a few thoughts... First of all - we live in capitalism. Entrepreneurs are not there to "help" people and I'd like to argue that the current economical system we live in facilitate the kind of scams Cardone has set up. Entrepreneurs are.. Per se and in the capitalist system, always self serving. Second of all - and I say that with no judgement - i find the whole speaking to the dead, suddenly finding religion, seeing dreams and connections everywhere a little worrying. I wish all the best for Ben
Thanks for your feedback and thoughts. I'm here to change the self development industry in several different ways to encourage people to start caring for others and not serve themselves, chase money, or an outcome. Most operate this way, yes. But I don't and I'm here to change the standard. I also up against a giant battle to do that but my frequency and consistency will outframe that over time and uplift others to do the same.
When I brought up my personal experiences, I never mentioned that I found religion and only mentioned my spiritual journey. I am not religious and it is important to distinguish the two from each other. People who have not experienced what I have will not get what I'm saying, and that's ok.
I'm not here to convince but only share my experience.
But I believe that if you can bring yourself to let go of 'everything' that you may hold onto, you most likely will have a similar moment like mine and when that happens it will be an undeniable feeling.
Humans are self serving by default. Like most things there are positives and negatives with this. Whether things are self serving or not is not the point but rather what the outcome is. Do you think a conservative rural farmer would grow vegetables that some liberal city hipster would eat because he likes to feed people? He does it for profit.
So this guy went from Cardone Cult to Aliens Cult? Wtf! Lol
I used that explanation to describe how I was receiving a certain feeling to do something specific without communicating to anyone about it.
You missed the point.
Anytime a person tells you not to go to college but he has a college degree is a scam.
Good point. One thing that I have called him and others out for is that they don't practice anything they preach. It's the whole "do as I say, not as I do" behavior
@@TheMisguidedMentor he didn’t know that though. He knows most are going to use a Master’s in Accounting to be stuck in an underpaid overworked accounting job. Instead of how he used his accounting degree
@@JuanGarcia-fd4gu good point!
I may be poor but I'm not stupid. I've never seen so many people praise Grant "clown" Cardone as much as they do today. It's nuts just like a lot of people.
Better you be rich and stupid. Invest in one of his training programs and improve your life
Anyone who trusts the ability in someone else more than they trust the ability within themselves deserves to lose their money.
Not a very compassionate mindset.
I don’t think they “deserve” that treatment
@@TheMisguidedMentor I think that people should stop trying to emulate someone else’s pathway to success especially when that someone became successful in a different time era when the world was different. Most of those systems don’t work today because the world has changed & that’s why people should just focus on their own path. I’m sorry that I sounded harsh but I’m just tired of people believing in others more than they believe in themselves.
I agree with you about people doing thier own thing & looking inside themselves rather than chasing others for success and answers.
Now that I’ve been through it, I can see why it happens to the best of people. Not knowing yourself, having just a little uncertainty, wanting to do more, etc. There’s so many reasons why it happens.
Now I’m out here uplifting people the right way.
They already have everything they need inside of them.
@@killingsley yes, which is why I can clearly see how I got sucked into that and why I also saw highly successful people drinking the kool-aid as well.
One is things I encourage now is knowing yourself so that you don't model and mimic or adopt someone else's mindset.
Cardone is a part of Scientology. As mentioned below A Aron from Growing up in Scientology has covered him extensively on his channel.
This was mentioned many times in the video
All former members in every state or region should write congress to strip scientology of tax exemption
This still kind of stems from a religion, because Grant Cardone is a scientologist!💯🤯
@kendrajohnson9049 Scientology is not a religion, though. 😁
@@victoriacsdbased on the fact they are tax exempt from the IRS, they are legally recognized as a religion (but are more of a cult)
Scientology is not a real religion
He is the modern L Ron Hubbard of the real estate coaching industry
True
Definitely
This was a great interview. I can't help but think surely something is illegal there? I was especially upset hearing about the child indoctrination classes. Just the image of a kid pressing the correct, moral answer and having the computer say, "nope, try again". Very freakie!
Yes my daughter told me about that experience but did not tell me here experience at the time because I was so passionate about that process. So she kept it herself unfortunately.
Yes, understood. I'm so glad you guys got away.
Excellent interview. What a genuine guy and good soul. Just goes to show how someone whoe is very level headed can still get suckered in. I am glad he is giving back now. I always had a bad feeling about Cardone and this solidified my feelings.
Thank you so much for the kind words.
You are absolutely right too. It can happen to the best people and is.
I still have friends in Grants organization who are successful by themselves and still can't seem to leave, even after seeing red flags.
1:04:50 I’m sorry cuz I did enjoy Ben’s interview, but people CAN and ARE making things like this up. Many books with stories about direct spiritual connections or “visions” that in the wrong hands (Lori daybell) of people with mental illness have led to some horrendous acts 💔hopefully he isn’t going to try to convince others they can have the SAME connection he has found…the talk of receiving “downloads” is concerning imho
It’s just the language that people aren’t comfy with because it can be weaponized against people. If someone said, “god told me to share my wealth” no one would bat an eye. Or “god put it on my heart…” or “my intuition led me to…”
I have nothing to gain by lying about any of this and you can see my journey that I document on my social media highlights, how Grant respond (or doesn't rather). You can also see my feed going all the way back when I was fully engrossed int the community up until I make the shift.
My spiritual journey is my own just like anyone else's.
I will be writing a book about it because there are several people who have witnessed the stories that I would never be able to make up.
This is what pure authenticity, confidence, & passion looks and sounds like.
I'm glad that you enjoyed the interview.
I got one for you...TWO actually! Church of Christ L.A. and Job's Daughters. I was in both as a teen.
This story reminds me so much of MLM tactics.
Yes very similar. I actually feel bad about how I turned people onto Grant over the years.
In that regard, it’s like I was recruiting without even knowing it.
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I didn't watch your video (1 hour is a lot of time), but ever since I saw a video of Grant Cardone, I could instantly tell he was a person that made money off others in a cult like way. He just gave me very weird vibes. The way he talks and how he believes that his way is the only way. Guys, be careful with online gurus, in this day and age it's hard to distinguish them from the pyramid scheme folks back then. Everyone is out to get money, and it's easier to take money from others than to actually provide real value. The internet and social media just made it exponentially easier.
Well said. The self development industry blew up during Covid too because fear, doubt, and uncertainty was at a peak
It blows my mind people are just blinded by how crazy GC is. Like all the craziness goes right over their heads.
I'm a teeny tiny anti-mlm creator and Cardone is a hero in MLM and it's terrible. They coach to coach to coach and basically say you have to pay to play. It's disgusting especially as it is usually aimed at people already struggling. Looking at the bite model - it's all cult all the time!
Exactly.
I've heard them all from Grant.
"Those who pay, pay attention", You need to get in proximity", "You need to get in the right rooms", " Commit first, figure the rest out later" . . .It's all manipulative nonsense
Well Grant is in Scientology so he knows all about Cults…
Yes he does
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I did get some benefits from reading that 10X book. I think the key with these self help gurus is, it’s fine to read their books and take some of their advice, but don’t get sucked into the rabbit hole of any further services they offer without very careful, objective consideration.
There's some truth in that, yes.
Worked in sales for 20 years. Constantly used to joke about the cult like environment. Especially cellular
His message is so important to get out there. I wish there was someone to talk about the cult of trump, which reminds me so much of the callousness of some men, in their drive to attain money, no matter who gets hurt.
Steven Hassan has a book called The Cult of Trump. Tennessee Brando just put out a video about the border 'convoy' and mentions the cult of trump.
And apparently, you can’t question anything or the group piles on you. My brother has turned into a completely different person and not sure he realizes how many people have walked away. I heard a podcast that talks about how they are addicted to the rage.
This came up at random- very good all around! I like how the hostessing has the balance between formally organized and then informal and loose as well. Great questions
Aw thank you.
I’m happy you enjoyed it!
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@@TheMisguidedMentor thx for the reminder to follow you!
@@floridapopulist you bet❕
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Well done, as always!
I enjoyed hearing this perspective. I was apart of an insurance MLM years ago and there were so many things that he talked about that were regularly used to bring in “business”. After being apart of something like that for over a year, I can look back now and see all the red flags and they always pushed accountability. I’m 38 now and I’ve never been more depressed or hated myself more than when apart of that world. Business doesn’t need to involve self depreciation from others. Thanks for doing this interview. I watch everything you put out but this one really had me being able to relate.
I’m happy you related to this topic. It’s definitely something that I’m bringing light to, frequently, so that I can wake people up to what they may be involved in.
It’s a very common scenario these days that needs talked about more
Thanks for sharing! 😂 I peeped his game a long time ago. Anyone who puts pressure and persistence on anything is a scammer. They’ve been call and emailed me too many times. I don’t have $1,500.00 to go to see him talk. If I put that on the stock market, I might double my money in a few minutes. Or lose it at my own risk. lol 😆
I’ve always said the harder someone tries to convince or persuade someone to buy means they are lacking confidence in themselves, the service/product, or both.
Glad you seen it coming a mile away
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Reminds me of my brief experience with Landmark forum.
Oh Lord, YES.
I believe Landmark grew out of EST. They wouldn't let attendees go to the bathroom during the presentations.
@@charlienicholas7599 Whoa! Massive control - I'd even go so far as to say abusive
I was considering doing the next great American speaker , the zoom meeting was bazaar to me. They really make you feel awful if you can’t afford to pay them $100 for their training course. I am glad I found you tonight, I was considering paying him, but had a bad gut feeling!!
I’m glad that I helped bring awareness.
Whether you are paying them $100 or $100k and /or hesitate to pay them. . . they will treat you the same way and shame you into spending more with them.
I wonder if Grant Cardone is as sick of playing his character as I am of seeing him play it.
I spent close to 4 million dollars with Mr card one… also spent about the same at the church of Scientology… left about 6 months ago and I can finally see how destructive the entire guru/church scene was to me and my family…
Still have family spending money and following the gurus but with my help I hope to get them out!
Very sorry to hear that you got sucked into it too.
I’m happy that you are not contributing to him and his agenda any longer!
A huge red flag was GC's wife saying everything is your fault. That is exactly what Scientologists say to their members!
I see the structure, as mentioned, very similar. Payingbfor higher and higher priced programs and retreats. The question that comes to mind is, what could this one man possibly teach/know that is worth 400k? I've thought about that for much less... 100k masterminds and such.
Yes, that victim blaming is a terrible way to treat people.
Whatever promises they were making for your business for 400k. . .
It’s BS and not worth that much
So good. I’ve been “whammied” so much in my life from growing up in the “Shiny Happy People” cult, “culty” manipulative relationships, and then working for a car dealership that engrained & REQUIRED Cardone cult teachings… so interesting to me how I was sucked into these cult-like relationships & businesses because of my programming/indoctrination as a child.
So sad to see this happen to so many people but it’s very exciting when I hear people who become hyper aware and stop going down the rabbit hole
So sad to see this happen to so many people but it’s very exciting when I hear people who become hyper aware and stop going down the rabbit hole
‘FEAR of the organization coming after them!’
I still have friends doling out their money to repeat the courses…Not a religion…but a cult is a cult!
I’m still not enlightened! Damn
Working for some orgs are also a cult.
They pay people just enough from quitting.
And provide them barely just enough amenities from quitting.
That’s why you want to do what you enjoy and not only for money.
Isn’t it ironic the fundraiser for children w/o fathers when it’s normal practice for children to be separated from their parents in Scientology so they can all be put to work asap wherever necessary? Was the fundraiser for children of Scientology??? Woooow, if he is pocketing that fundraiser money that’s HIGHLY illegal & something he could actually be charged for if they were able to find proof. He’d need to show some proof of donation.
I'm not sure if that money even went towards that cause. My 10 year old daughter talked about her experience on one of my instagram posts about this moment. It was quite funny how she was calling him out, lol.
Definitely something fishy and unprofessional about him stuffing it into his pocket though
I would like to know how people had that kind of money just to give away. I'm also questioning if these amounts were actually real numbers.🤔
What money? To invest?
I personally have it from growing my first construction company.
Yes, the numbers are close enough. Maybe not down to the penny but Boone cares about that
Cult of capitalism
This is touching on something fundamental in the collective. It requires some deep inner work to see the shadow that dwells with the self ego.
This interview was very nuanced. One of my favourite. Thank you
Love that feedback!
Trump, Cordone and Andrew Tate are brothers from different mothers
And Joe Biden is their father!
For me. . .
Greed was at the bottom of list of reasons why. I wasn’t desperate. I was just deceived. Of course I was lacking and didn’t know myself completely.
Now everything is clear and I can say that I do know myself very well.
This particular organization is directly related to a “cult” though since Grant is a Scientologist
I don't know if the video is up. It was like a fireside chatt with Ed Myyet and Grant. And Ed looked irritated by Grant. And i think it was over strategy. And i think Ed Sinced Grant is not a Ethical person and hell do anything to be successful.
This guy may still have cult like tendency still
"That Xenu stuff is crazy! Have I told you about the aliens I hear?"
Lol, that's not what I said.
Funny how people blow that out of proportion.
I used an alien documentary to explain how I was receiving downloads.
Worshipping Xenu and using an alien documentary to describe something are two different things.
The older I get, the more I realize the lower the moral standard the easier it is to make money. Very sad that kids don’t realize they aren’t on the “inside” they are the mark….