Hillsborough 1981 - Wolves v Tottenham Hotspur (FA CUP S/F)
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2011
- Chaos at Leppings Lane, Hillsborough in 1981.
I will delete insensitive posts - This video was compiled solely to provide a comparison between 2 Semi-Finals at the same ground and how the Police's reactions in this one is one of the reasons that myself and hundreds of Tottenham supporters are still alive today. - Спорт
8 of us went there that day, all 16 yr olds. All got crushed against barriers but honestly didn't realise the seriousness of what could've been. Each previous visit to hillsborough was filled with conversations about THAT tunnel and how they got away with it. God rest the souls who perished following their team.
I was there for this game, it was terrifying. I was stuck in the underground walkway for about 20 minutes, I struggled to breath and my feet hardly touched the ground and I am a big lump over 6 foot tall. In the end I managed to get into the corner quadrant section to safety but the complaints, and there were many were ignored. RIP #jft96
Glenn Hutton that's the problem. They don't give a dam about fans.also media ignores it.its never about the fans
I to was another Spurs fan in that sardine tin!!!!! I was crushed and my feet didn't touch the ground for several seconds and it was bloody frightening.
Ironically I went to the world cup semi final in 1990 and walked past the graves of several Heysel victims so have great empathy with Liverpool and Juve fans. I was no angel when I was younger but NO_ONE bloody deserves that. God Bless them all XX
The fact nobody from the FA was prosecuted is a disgrace. Those days we were treated like animals. David Kelly Lied to Thatcher telling her what she wanted to hear. It's basically manslaughter by the FA.
Graham Kelly.
I was in The Kop watching this unfold. It was a scene of disorganisation, and lack of control. Lessons that should have been learned weren't. A Tragedy wasn't narrowly averted that day, it was merely postponed.
I was at hillsborough on that fatefull day in 1989, it will be embeded in my memory for ever, yet i didn't know anything about this match in 1981 until recently, this is shocking that no lessons were learnt. YNWA RIP96.
I'd say criminal. There should have been a full and thorough investigation in 1981!!!! I heard there were incidents before that game
I was in the seats at the 1987 semi Leeds v Coventry. My brother was in the leppings Lane end and he couldn't put his feet on the floor it was that packed. He couldn't breathe and thought he was going to die. Madness.lessons not learnt. RIP. To the 96 Liverpool fans in 89. It should never have happened.
95 one was Spurs, bless them all.
Ian, Professor Phil Scaton calls it institutional complacency that was running through football during the 80's, with dilapidated old stadiums, many of which that were virtually the same from 40 years earlier. In the case of Hillsborough, you have a crush in 1981, pen fences put up in 1985, a crush in 1987 at Leeds vs Coventry, more crushing in 1988 at Liverpool vs Forest and Leppings Lane continuing to remain a death trap all of that time, which required human intervention to prevent disaster. That human intervention and proper event management was completely missing in 1989, and we know what happened. I am pleased that your brother got out of that horrible experience in 1987.
I was there that day with my Brother in Leppings Lane. There was a time at that match that we both wondered if we would be going home such was the pressure of the crowd on us as we were somewhere near the front. Before they opened the gates we managed to drag each other to safety. It still chokes me up to watch this. I was so scared that day. RIP The 96.
I feel for you... I had a scary experience once also. Standing was such fun but obviously dangerous
Bless you Barry
Was there as a Wolves fan, god knows why didn't no body learn after this
I was there with my 9 year old son and at the front by the perimeter fencing. How on earth we were not crushed is a miracle. The police had not idea what to do and only after pressure from fans did an officer eventually open the escape route gates to allow fans to spill onto the pitch, which saved the day for us. We then watched the rest of the game from the pitch side. It is an experience I would not wish on anyone, and has left a lasting impression on me. I feel very deeply for the 96 who lost their lives and feel that it could have been avoided if a lesson had been learnt from 1981.
+Derek Kirby I don't know if you know this ... One of the 96 who died was not a Liverpool Supporter He was a Spurs Fan (I can not remember is name) he went on the last minute with his mates who were Liverpool fans, he said he would drive them there.
Derek Kirby I
I was there at 15 yrs old wolves fan and will never forget it so just imagine what it was like in 89? RIP
I was 15 at the time, we got in the ground early and headed into the middle pen, behind the goal. As kick of time got closer, the pen started to become overs crowded, and very frightening. I didn’t touch the ground for what seemed an eternity, l lost both my shoes and the mates I travelled up with on a coach from the post office at mount pleasant in London. It was only when the spurs fans started to climb the barriers onto the pitch or were lifted into the seats behind us did they finally open a gate and allow the crush to ease. I never mentioned it to my family when I got home as I didn’t want to stopped from going to away games in the future. No lessons were learned, the tragedy that followed in 89 should have been everted. , all for the sake of supporting your team.
thank you for sharing this, I was there too as a 19 year old and pretty scared, although the outcome was nothing like '89 I think that was more by luck than judgement and although the did ultimately allow Spurs fans to sit around the pitch in the first few minutes the cops were just laughing at us and pushing people back over the fences. the tragedy in '89 really hit me because i then realised how lucky we were and how, sadly the lessons were not learned. for me that just added to the sense of a cover up.
Neil Aves, the only reason Spurs avoided a disaster was that leppings Lane was an open terrace in 1981, if the dividing pens had been in place I fear Spurs would be mourning their dead to this day.
major respect from a diehard liverpool fan how it happend to all of us
ive been to hillsborough many times with man united.we always took 15,000 there .this video shows how all football fans were treated like cattle in the 80s.rip the 89 ...sheffield police were so bad (also remember there aggression and corruption during the miners strike) that always will have a hatred towards them
We ended up watching the entire game on a pitch side bench near the other end. When the disaster happened in 1989 i thought back and realised hiw lucky we had been. Policing at the games in the seventies and eighties was disgraceful with the fans treated like animals. Mistakes were made in penning people in and there are people who should be held accountable for this manslaughter.
The warning signs for the Hillsborough disaster started here.
Indeed
They started way before 1981
@darklord1134 what other games were there before this? I've thought that there were probably crushes there before 81
I heard that 1980 Arsenal v Liverpool was jam packed
Its disgusting that only recently what happened in 1981 has come to light. Its quite clear that it was only a matter of time before a major disaster happened at Hillsborough it could quite easily have happened in 1981, 1987 or 1988. I am so angry that this was swept under the carpet for so many years and the fans were made scapegoats.
I am no Liverpool fan just a football fan but there must be justice for the 96.
Thanks for sharing this. I was 15 in 89
and I didn't hear anything about previous crushing.
Insane and criminal that actions were not taken after this game😢
I remember going to Charlton away in the early nineties when they were playing at Upton Park. They allowed Leicester fans to buy tickets on the turn styles as they knew Charlton wouldn't fill the ground. The only problem was they allowed all the Leicester fans through the away end behind the goal. I was around 10 when this happened and was standing right at the front. I remember being pushed against the wall at the front but luckily the fences had been taken down because of Hillsborough so the fans ran across the pitch into a empty stand. I remember the local newspaper saying Leicester took close to 15000 to the Charlton game and if those fences were still up it would of been another Hillsborough disaster. RIP to the 96 I hope your family's find justice!
Shaun Marriott the truth is the terraces should remain minus the fences. full stop.
I was at that game as a young leicester fan. It was scary momentarily until it became our fans could cross the pitch to fill up the stand along one side. If fences were up it could’ve been horrific
I was today years old when I heard it first. I am speechless,that this could have happened and then the 96 aswell.May them rest in peace. YNWA
I went to the last Liverpool vs Wednesday game a few years ago and got a ticket for the (now all seater) lower Leppings Lane end. There were lots of us who had double tickets, ie the sold the same seat twice. I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing was happening back then, only to much worse effect.
Arsenal v Liverpool 1980. Leeds in 1987. Both at Hillsborough and were nearly similar disasters.
Thank you for posting this video, and to all the Spurs fans who added comments. It could have happened to any club, just happened to be us. Justice for the 96 YWNA.
Big up to Brian Reade in the Mirror for commenting on this vid in his column, cheers buddy!!
Brian is a true red and brilliant journalist
I'm Tottenham and I was in the cantilever stand overlooking this and it was frightening. As well as the gatemen letting Spurs in with Kop tickets there were rumours before the game you could bung cash and get in as well. Back then you just turned up and they would always let you in somehow rather than have you on the street. I can remember LC SF at Hawthorns and they opened the big gates rather than have fans on the street and the crush that was being caused. The warning signs were all there. I don't think the police believed you could get crushed despite previous tragedies. I was in the queue at Leicester in a bad crush causing the temp crowd barriers to move. All the police did was to push back against them to keep them in place. I was a teenager only doing the same as the Liverpool fans who died that day.
Spoke to fellow Fulham fans who were in there in 1975 for semi v Brum, 55,000 crowd. Dads mates badly crushed, never surprised anyone who was there when the tragic events followed thay year. Looking at this it looks a miracle something similar didnt happen that day
I was there sitting on the red gravel by the pitch with some other Spurs...we climbed the fence to avoid the crush.
Yet you'll still find some idiots who still blame the Liverpool fans for what happened in 1989 and believe in the coverup that happened from April 15th, 1989 till last year.
The FA, Sheffield Wednesday FC and the South Yorkshire police should all be ashamed of themselves. To varying degrees they were all responsible for what happened eight years after this match.
A small clarification:
When I blame SWFC, I don't blame their fans nor the current regime. I blame those who were in charge of the club & the stadium back in the day.
+Jim Bowen NO they don't.
Fuck off
I was there on April 15th and im from Sheffield,the fault lies with Sheffield Wednesday Regime at that time,south Yorkshire police cover up but the blame also has to lie with 100s of fans turning up at Leppings lane without a ticket.All fans do it so why are Liverpool fans any different.Some were also drunk like i said previous all fans drink before a game why would they be any different in my opinion it was a catalogue of errors that could have been learnt from this semi final 8 years previous
That ground was a disaster waiting to happen. Sadly it did happen 😢
Same happened at Leeds v Coventry in 1987 .
The FA knew the ground wasn't good enough as did Sheffield Wednesday FC . someone somewhere needs to answer for this .
Why go to all that trouble when they can blame the fans??
Sadly, many people still blame supporters for causing the 1989 disaster. This is proof the stadium was fundamentally unsafe.#JFT96
Wolves fan here and that was a horrible day. Lessons were not learned until after the Liverpool fateful match :(
i was at the game then in the Kop end being a Wolves fan. We could see what was happening in the Tottenham end. They even tried to put some Spurs fans in the Kop end where the wolves fans were but everyone surged forward as it was jammed packed too.
Wolves had a lot more fans there than spurs(it was the reverse at Highbury in the replay i went there too). We said someone is going to get killed there one of these days. I even wrote a letter i can't remember if it was to Sheffield Wednesday or the FA (40 years ago now) saying the end was not safe but got no reply. Typical in those days.
A few years later 1987 semi final Leeds v Coventry some Leeds fans were also crushed in the Leppings Lane end. Again i said it was not safe. We all know what happened in 1989.
I went to that game with my sister and a friend. We had been in many crushes but this was probably the worst. We got separated from our friend who i believe lost his shoes. We were very relieved to get out if a gate and onto the pitch
I remember a league cup semi final replay at white heart lane in march 1987. Truly horrendous. I can remember that a hell of a lot of Arsenal fans had tickets for the spurs enclosure and so to avoid punch ups we were all put in the away end that was already packed to the roof. My feet didn't touch the ground for the entire 2nd half. This sort of carry on was going on at a lot of big games back in them days the only thing that surprises me is that it took until 1989 for it to all unravel.
Remember it well as a Wolves fan at the other end of the ground, There was some big fights before the game when mini buses drew up along each other outside the ground both sets of fans waded into each other .Can remember the coppers trying to escort the Spurs fans into our end after the pitch spillage Yes! You heard it right Trying to put the Spurs fans into the Wolves end after all the hostility before the game .Glad to say I think the dozy twats sensed the hatred and declined the idea.Lot older now and us Wolves fans talk about the day and are not surprised what sadly happened in 1981
I was at this match - in the Wolves end. Even as a kid I thought "this is not right, how could they possibly have a semi final here when there just isn't enough room at the other end". Of course when the "real" disaster happened my mind was immediately taken back to this day. As you say, lessons were quite simply not learned.
A Wolves fan in the kop that day -as I remember it. Our allocation was pretty full but not overcrowded. I remember seeing that behind the Leppings Lane goal it was congested but there was space to the side. There were several tannoy announcements appealing to the Spurs fans to move to the side. When the game started some of their fans were sat on the touchline behind the goal......
Suggesting no crowd control at the opening of the tunnel directly to the middle area behind the goal?
This is important footage. Glad that no one was killed here on this occasion. Unfortunately we all know what happened a few years later.
Thank you for sharing it.
As a Liverpool fan I am absolutely numb by this video. I was at Hillsboro a few years earlier when we played Arsenal and it chills me to think...there but for the grace of God.
The warnings were obviously there years earlier. This was sadly a terrible tragedy waiting to happen.
Justice for the 96. YNWA.
This was a massive warning about what could happen but because no one died it was just brushed under the carpet. RIP the 96
WHY DOES NO ONE PICK UP ON THIS
Told everyone about this before the disaster, no 1 listened till after.
My brother was in the leppings lane end a few years earlier with Newcastle in a league match and said it was the most frightening experience of life. He was only 13 at the time and said his feet virtually never touched the ground for 90 minutes. Both enclosures either side were fine. I bet lots of fans from that era have similar stories. Why did it take such a tragedy for something to be done!!
I was a Sheffield Wednesday fan watching from the North Stand overlooking Newcastle fans on the Leppings Lane terraces; I will never forget the extreme overcrowding I saw there. I don't recall the game at all, although I do recall that we won 4-2 and that we were in Division 2, (the internet is telling me that the date was 19th November 1983). Two months later (17/01/84) I was on those terraces myself for a cup game against Liverpool; it was such a squash at times that I really thought I was going to die but I only suffered minor injuries as it turned out.
Fans were treated like animals in those days
correct
Let’s not forget quite a few fans behaved like animals in those days as well.
The outcome of the inquiry caused me to look this up. I was at the game as a Wolves fan, staying with relatives near the ground and bought a ticket of a Spurs ticket tout just before kick off at double price-he had loads-thanks FA! Luckily this was a good seat on the side though amongst Spurs fans-I remember seeing the fans spilling over and allowed to sit pitch side and also how decrepit the ground was having believed it to be a good ground-also surprised at how hemmed in by roads and rivers the ground was. I can't just blame the police -they took some decisions, not enough communication-it went wrong-why we all turned up so late for games defies sense- I witnessed lots of violence at lots of grounds over the years-it all accumulated-the worst being a Flodden Field confrontation between Hull and Leeds fans outside Boothferry Park with police cavalry charging in from the flank- RIP football fans- .Thank god it's a sane experience these days though I watch mainly non league football in preference
no sir i must dissagree with you. it appeared that tout tickets were only available at the spurs end. maybe because I was at the cop end made a difference. when we were "shoved" into the sleeping lane end, the coppers could see what was happening. they were laughing at us "f.... .....g cockney's". i swear that that day has haughted me for years. i lie not. i honest believed that I would die against the fence. all the best
What I can’t believe is that the same tunnel
And stand layout is there in 2019. You would think after the disaster they would scrap the whole stand
In truth the problem was that the tunnel led to a confined space, with no control of the numbers going in, allowing the central section to overfill. With it now being seated, that penned-in confined space no longer exists. It still must be unsettling to watch a game from there though.
i was there that day 9 yrs old, the whole end was packed when me an my dad arrived, packed in like sardines. i was passed over peoples heads down to the front (as they did in them days) was very frightened and did not like the crushing, so me and dad made it back up into the corner where the police in the upper stand saw me on my dad shoulders and took me up on the gantry, i remember looking down and watching people getting squashed. scary looking back lessons wasnt learnt by FA or by police
I was there and luckily managed to climb over the fence to escape, then lead around the pitch eventually watching from the main stand, standing at the back. The wolves end had loads of space and was then being filled with the Spurs ooverflow. Why they gave the bigger club the smaller end was nuts.
Its truly pure luck this wasnt also remembered as "Hillsborough"...
Never seen this before , this is so eerie when you then see 89 , how on earth were lessons not learned , why was Hillsborough continued to be used as a semi final ground when obviously the away could not hold the supporters safely ,, for a normal league game I bet very few away fans filled the end.
Anyone who knows a football crowd and how it surges back and forth knows you don't then allow more people in , its common sense but it's also knowledge fans have , it shows to me that the people in charge back then had no interest in football and had never experienced a full end of a stadium, and that lack of care and knowledge led to a tragedy
This is scary
JFT96
I was there in 87 for our semi against Coventry. ..it's was bedlam in that end
seems like the Leppings Lane entrance was a favorite of fans! probably was nice to be able to get off a road and not have to walk that far to get in!
Note today that Det Supt Neil Malkin who is heading the police investigation says it was "likely" that the "focus of the crush" in 1981 was in "a rather different position" to the 1989 incident because Spurs "may have scored a goal".
Note the use of the words "likely" and "may". So you don't know Det Supt Malkin and it sounds like (yet again) that an investigating officer is defending his own.
I was there and I can tell you you're wrong. The authorities also said the stipulated capacity was exceeded by 335 - absolute rubbish!!
The crush was going on right at the beginning of the game. People screaming "get that f'ing gate open". God knows how, but someone managed to wedge it open and people spilled on to the pitch. I told the police after "something's got to be done, it's a disaster waiting to happen". Tragically, that became a reality 8 years later.
St Ha
I spent the whole of the match sitting on the edge of the pitch, anyone who was in that end on the day knows and understands the events that led to the Liverpool tragedy.
for a brief moment before I (and 100's of others) were lucky enough to be let out on to the pitch thought I might get crushed to death - I remember not being able to breath in the crush down the front.
I was there in the seats above and thinking that looks dangerously packed, if i remember rightly the middle section right behind the goal wasnt as jammed as the side sections, the police opened up a fence gate and put a load of Spurs in the Wolves end with police all round them.
Sends a shiver down my spine this me an my mate climbed the fence and were taken up the kop end but it kicked off with wolves fans,we watched the game from pitchside. Thank god the old bill were on the ball that day.
i was in the lepping’s lane also a
behind the goal and being 6 ft 1 helped me push up and fortunately the police or the stewards opened the gates
It’s heartbreaking that the authorities didn’t learn from this almost tragedy situation RIP the 96
It’s shocking that the authorities knew what Leppings Lane could be like, but did nothing at all about it
It was eight years until they hosted a semi final at Hillsborough again. That was because it was a semi final replay and there was no other ground available. Personally after Sheffield Wednesday's neglect of their ground in both these semi finals I would never have awarded Hillsborough another major game again. It wasn't just the police it was also the club's owners that should be made to take account of their actions. They had eight years to improve safety after this incident and they did nothing about it whatsoever. You can understand why so many Liverpool fans hate Sheffield Wednesday to this day.
Was at this game as a snotty nosed kid who managed to get tovthe front of the fences and literally felt the life being taken out of me. Luckily a big arsed geezer picked me up and threw me up towards the top of the fence where I stayed shitting it incase I fell back down. Authorities should have learnt a lesson that day but they clearly didn't. RIP to those Liverpool fans who paid with their lives when a repeat should never have happened. Thanks goes to that geezer who put me clear, forever grateful.
Was there that day and we were lucky no one died
That lessons were not learned and Hillborough hosted more similar games is an outrage. Period.
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The first time i went to Hillsborough was my 2nd away game with Man Utd around March 87 when we got beat by a last minute David Hirst goal,probably only around 3 or 4 thousand,it was rammed as they penned is into two paddocks,the next season we took a load more and it seemed a bit more spread out (won 4-2,even Clayton Blackmore scored!)
Come the 88/89 season,Utd were on a bit of a run,i'm sure it was March,but we took 16,000 over there,won 2-0,and trouble was on the cards then just a month befor
I'm sure there were some incidents in 1980, but nothing on the scale of 81
That's the thing about the 1980s and football. You just didn't know how unsafe the grounds were. Fans were treated like animals and herded into stadiums as such. How can you fence fans in like they did? Ignoring the lack of safety for fans for one second, remember that Spurs fan who had a heart attach recently? If he had a heart attack in one of those pens, how would anyone get to him?
I remember that game well, given what happened then wouldn't anybody think, that the F.A., Sheffield Wednesday, Sheffield council, and South Yorkshire police, should have reviewed what happened and acted to make sure, anything like that wouldn't happen again? shame on all of them!.
Exactly. Apparently, they blamed each other for the '81 crush and there was a major breakdown in relations between them:
_"Hillsborough was not used as a semi-final venue from 1982 until 1987 because of a serious crush during the 1981 semi-final there, between Tottenham Hotspur and Wolverhampton Wanderers which, as in 1989, resulted in the opening of Exit Gate C to relieve the crush. The panel documents reveal that the near disaster in 1981 prompted a major breakdown in relations between South Yorkshire Police and Sheffield Wednesday, with neither accepting responsibility. The panel found that Wednesday's "primary concern was to limit costs" amid pressure for ground improvements."_
www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/fa-ignored-warning-of-crushing-at-1988-semifinal-8135609.html
This is for super owls, here are some facts 1, I have no argument with owls or blades, I like you all as you let us in your homes on that day, we don't forget that. 2,in 1989 Shef Weds Ground had no safety certificate, and Sheffield Council knew it 3,The F.A. knew it didn't have it and still okyd the match 4, the police made the choice of what ends the supporters had. 5,On the day they had no decent co-ordination (they did the previous year).6, There was no co-ordinated ambulance intake/exit from Shef Wed thus no proper emergency help for the dying.7, All of the services new the blood was on there hands, and they told the press to blame the innocent fans... FACTS! Hillsborough is a Safe/Quality Ground now... I was not then!
David Cummings "It is perhaps well to ask ourselves what kind of a nation we are and what direction we want to move in." RFK
CNWLcanBGrade1 Im not sure what you mean by RFK, however I like the grasp of your statement.
Steel City Owls I was talking of those organisation in 1989, not of now. On that day Sheffield people United and Wednesday supporters helped us using there land-line phone's ... we thanked them in 1989.
What 2 times in the leppings lame ok this is sad
Sure there was a West Ham Man U game late 70s. Where there was over crowding as well
I was at plough lane Wimbledon Tottenham when I heard there was trouble that day ,
Never forget. In those days everything kicked off at 3 pm or 7.30 . Don’t recall hearing about this
At the time yet alone who played in semi finals tragic
It was always bad in there when any big side visited for Wednesday home games and when it was divided again in 85 (became as it was in 89) it was bad for most away fans because the police could instruct the two central pens to be used for smaller attendances
I've seen pens 3 and 4 rammed with the rest of the bottom of the stand empty
For semi-finals though the police had a lot more say
For Wednesday home games the groundsmen took over inside and the capacity was reduced also
So for Wednesday games it was normally ok for away fans although tight and often uncomfortable but it was police instruction that dictated packing fans in,
The police loved that stand as they could control the away fans as they wanted,
Also by the mid 80s the FA demanded any ground used for semis had to have fences on the end stands.
That’s why Highbury was not used for semi’s after 1986
@@ZeldaFitz
Exactly
Paranoia and a general bad attitude towards football fans in the 80s led to treatment way beyond humane and caused so much of this
ive just watched this for the first time ..i was there in 76 and 77 with man united ...one big crush on both occasions ....manic getting in ...you just couldnt move once your were in ....i think of it now ...man united and liverpool fans were used to being in solid packed terracing..spurs fans had the shelf it was very similar terracing so it wasnt anything they hadnt come across before ...so you cant blame the fans ...that end was a death trap waiting to happen ...yorkshire police must of known this but didnt care ...they just piled you in ...regardless ...im sure many standing tickets were double printed .that can be the only explanation ...ive been in the leppings lane end for league games sold out full and no where near as bad ....
I too was at this match in the wolves end (not bad for a life long Baggies fan),many of the Wolves fans saw this overspill as a threat never thinking there were people getting hurt..Lessons were never learned then ,only the deaths of 96 innocent supporters saw just how fans were treated like cattle..Hillsborough and the unwillingness for fans to accept females too like football(and yes I do know the offside rule) saw me hanging up my scalf in the mid 80s
I was 19 at the time. Me and my brother went without tickets and so we bought 2 of some touts. all you could get was for the wolves end. we used to wear scarfs on our wrist then. when we went in, if the coppers saw you were spurs, they put you to the front and took you to the spurs end and put you through the gate near the corner flag. those .... . didn't care, so long as you were behind the fence. i wwas squased to hell all of the 1st half, my brother using his weight and arms to trying to keep the pressure off me. at 1/2 time they finally let us through the gate and I went to sit near the touch line. i have never been so frightened in my life. it is funny, every time it comes on tv about the Liverpool 96, I have always questioned myself; did it really happen to use or was I making it up. it is as if my mind has tried to block it out. now I have seen and read this, I feel better. i wasn't just making it up. mick benton.
I was there and it was pretty bad down the front, I managed to get away and moved onto the terracing on the corner. One of the problems was that the Spurs support was split, we had a section of the Kop at the other end, but the turnstile operators let Spurs fans into Leppings Lane end with the wrong tickets.......
Don't recall Spurs having any section of the Kop, it wasn't segregatable unfortunately. At half time they tried to put the Spurs 500 who were on the pitch into the Kop end, but obviously the Wolves fans were having none of that.
So they remained around the pitch.
But Hillsborough should never have been used as a neutral venue, with both sets of fans receiving 25000 tickets. The Leppings Lane end was notoriously small, whilst the Kop was huge.
+nicholas Moss
Well said
The Police were always only interested in clearing the streets outside when a busy match was on! I attended loads of matches as a kid and the Police always seemed paranoid about moving me to the away support! I recall the FA quarter final between West Ham and Wednesday and the copper grabbed hold of me and tried to take me out of the away end. I was 15 and he had heard me talking.
I sat in an empty Ninian park stand- versus Burnley in '87 -got talking to a copper and he asked me to go the away!
I remember watching the highlights of this match and wasn't shocked cos the year before it was horrendous vs. Arsenal...Utd fans who constantly (directly or indirectly) have a dig at Liverpool regarding Hillsborough should watch this and hang their heads in shame
I was there at the game behind the goal, we got carried almost from outside to the entrance stalls with out feet in the air, all the fans were going baaa baaa baaaa, once inside it was a crush. This should have never have happened again. Referee respect, his report should have been taken into the account at the initial hillsborough enquiry!The irony is, hibbit took a dive to earn a replay and the spurs fans from then on sing "are you thomas in disguise" whenever we get a bad decision, i think thomas saved lives.
+gary taylor Ardilles dived first, (I think him and Klinsman were the original masters of deception in the UK leagues) at least Kenny admitted he dived later ;-) I was 13 years old at the other end.
I am interested to know what Sheffield Wednesday games were like normally. It seems that when semi finals are held there, police and the FA suddenly lose brain cells and just authorise at will that 25,000 fans can rush into a pen that only holds 10,000 and feel that it is alright. This was 1981. How the hell could they wait until 1989 until people died? 38 Spurs fans were injured in 1981, thankfully no deaths. But those injuries must have been serious enough.
It was always bad in there when any big side visited and when it was divided again in 85 (became as it was in 89) it was bad for most away fans because the police could instruct the two central pens to be used for smaller attendances
I've seen pens 3 and 4 rammed with the rest if the bottom of the stand empty
For semi-finals though the police had a lot more say
For Wednesday home games the groundsmen took over inside and the capacity was reduced also
So for Wednesday games it was normally ok for away fans although tight but it was police instruction that dictated packing fans in
The police loved that stand as they could control the away fans as they wanted
Also by the mid 80s the FA demanded any ground used for semis had to have fences on the end stands.
Part 2 - At half time the cops tried to clear some of the Wolves end to make some room. I think a few Spurs did get in there. The Wolves lads chanted "Come on Tottenham" expecting a good fight. They looked reluctant to come at first. But then a few hundred Spurs ran across the pitch. "OK Lets fight"! I think the cops then decided this would not work either, and for the rest of the game the Spurs overspill was sat along the side of the pitch.
Craig Betts, leader of Sheffield Council, sat in the director's box in that fateful day in 1989. He's now an MP. He claims he did not know that Hillsborough had an invalid safety certificate. He claimed nothing like it could have been expected. This gives the lie to that...
I was at this game in the spurs end luckily in the seats above with my dad .Theres a design fault to this ground it's like a funnel.
Part 3 - This did get reported in the papers, but it's true that the main reports were Kenny Hibbitt being accused of diving in the last few minutes of the game and the penalty that followed,
Thatcher herself branded all fans "animals". Why would the police give a shit if they see people pressed against the fences in those pens, feet off the ground and not breathing? I wasn't even there and chances are I would not experience this in my lifetime, but that is just so damn scary.
I am shocked. Im suprised I never heard of this, but to think that this similar problem happened and 38 fans were injured and yet nothing was done.
How could they let 1989 happen knowing that something serious enough like this had already happened at the same ground?! Disgraceful...
The truth about Hillsborough is well known. Now it's time for justice. They can start with FA who allowed matches to be played at this dangerous stadium. They were warned after the incident shown in this video. The only change they did was to put up some more fences, narrowing the pens even more. 8 years later, 96 Liverpool fans died in a crush at the very same end. The details in the 2012 report are SHOCKING. Absolutely shocking.
My dad was there're he said it was terable
Most of the comments here are intelligent, some of them are, at best... educationally sub-standard, so without naming those "DIM WHITS" I shall set my outlook clear: I have no argument with Sheffield Wednesday fans as I like the area and most of the people. What I have a issue with is what I said below, ie the organisers who made, choices, didn't give safety certificates', and tried to blame the fans. Hillsborough NOW is a safe-good standard Football Ground, Hillsborough THEN did not have a safety certificate, had the wrong fans in the wrong parts of the ground as Liverpool had more fans than Nottingham Forest, as for management of crowd control, there was none! So Wednesday-ites I was talking of the organisers (or none organisers) who have blood on there hands....GET IT?
The point is that the media should have reported what occurred here and reported it! Then, the 1989 Hillsborough disaster would have been avoided!
It was caused, not by blacks or football hooligans, but the POLICE!
Not entirely related but it reminds of what the Dutch went through demonstrating about the deaths of children dying while they cycled on Dutch roads.
They changed their roads and driving culture but learned the hardest of ways.
I'll never forget the crush at Stamford Bridge in the 60's aged 8. Terrifying.
COYS
I attended this match having bought a ticket from a tout outside the ground, the ticket was for the Wolves (Kop) end, when I presented at the turnstile I was told as a Tottenham fan I should make my way to the Leppings Lane End where I would be allowed to enter, I would estimate there were many hundreds of others who were given the same option leading to terrible overcrowding. Thank God they opened the gates that day otherwise it could have been Tottenham not Liverpool supporters lying dead.
Where now in 2019
The police officer in charge has had his case and no verdict was returned
At the moment the only ones to face any further charges SWFC for no safety certificate
Why hasn't the FA been charged for using the ground that had no safety certificate to hold these games
1975,1980,1981, 1987,1988,and 1989
All at Hillsborough, yet it was the fans blamed in 1989
But the ground sadly had a history
Was bad at old Trafford in the scoreboard end with City. They packed us into pens like sardines.
The warning signs where there 8 years earlier, but the officials saw it as just a one off.
Sorry but you are wrong. The first Brixton riots were in 1981.
I remember then wondering why us Wolves were in the big end when Spurs had bigger cowds. So it was beause the directon the cops expected the fans would come from & there were Spurs or Wolves-only areas near the ground. I did things differently & drove through Peak District for the nicer drive. But that meant coming in to Sheffield a different way and I parked in what turned out to be the Spurs-only area. Walking to our end & back we were threatened, followed and one of us pushed to the ground.
actually - pretty sure a city fan died in the 72,000 game and numerous injuries. Was in a City history book I have
That is me sitting on the ground at the front with blonde hair Navy Blue Jumper white t shirt with a guy standing up behind me wearing a white t shirt and blue jeans....i am the one stretching his legs out.
Wow... How was that for you?
Trial starts next month the old Bailey. Over 20 police on Bail.
Ridiculous to have a match between Wolves and Tottenham at Hillsborough. I think the FA needed geography lessons! The FA had some kind of vested interest (probably financial) for having matches at Hillsborough
I blame the Feds
Prick!
wow 2016 and im only knowing about this near miss fucking ground should have been pulled down in the 70s united fan.