I like to use Lis’s rockets to kill those annoying snipers camping spots like the tower near the A objectives on the new map. It stops them from snipe camping you when trying to exit your base.
^This^ The TV missile has one major advantage over the other launchers: you can fire from cover and fly it to your target. You never have to expose yourself to being spotted or shot.
I agree, she’s weak. The TV is pretty difficult to connect with especially at close range. The ability of highlighting vehicles is only slightly useful.
This is my suggestion for her to get better: • 3 ammunition • Load the launcher faster • When the rocket is 5m away from the target, it will lock. Obrigado pelo ótimo vídeo. Abraços.
When you play her like a dagger as you suggest she is a lot more fun. Focus on the match and use her ability in opportune moments rather than constantly searching for a vehicle to shoot. My number of destroyed vehicles skyrocketed when I developed this mindset.
That's what did to the enemy tank my friendly tank who was my squadmate said he was about to die so I had used the tv missile not only was that a full crew I had taken them out and saved my friendly tank.
Literally the same. Ive had my missile phase through enemy aircraft so many times i literally just gave up on using her. Angel is a MUCH better anti vehicle specialist.
@@jessegershon6579 I sometimes happens to me too but after a few times that damn condor or hind came back and they are almost dead me and my friend took them down but I do hope they patch it and when you fire any weapon and it just stops firing when you're in the middle of a gunfight and no I don't stop firing because of reloading it just stops when I have around half bullets left in my mag.
2 things, one is the boost on the rocket more fuel efficient for distance. And two I think lis would be far more viable if she was effected by ammo crates
I use Lis mostly for anti-air when playing both solo and with a friend. We were extremely annoyed by the stealth heli, and we were trying Hacking + Soflam + M5 which in theory would work brilliantly, hack the stealth heli, soflam it, then M5 it. In reality Heli pilots would immediately exit stealth mode before the hack completes and pop flares, and then fly out of range or into cover. We had a very tough time killing helis. We both switched to Lis and we had much better luck. Though now 2 hits were required, the flares and hiding behind buildings or hills were no longer a problem. Considering the stupidly short cooldown on flares, I consider lock-on weapons to be mostly useless on helicopters.
I think a good change would be if we could see how much health a vehicle has left when its spotted fpr you. And if the specific parts were highlighted with a different color.
One of my big problems with her, is with helicopters the missile ONLY hits if you hit it in the base. Top propeller, no reg, rear propeller, no reg. On top of that, they should do enough damage to take wildcats out with 3 rockets instead of 4.
I think yoy missed the point on when to use the TV rocket. You pointed out that lis has an ability to see "damaged" vehicles on the map. That ability helps you with the TV rocket. I wouldn't shoot ata vehicle that wasn't damaged because you made a good point on the wildcat that by the time your 3rd rocket recharges the vehicles health would be back up to full. So you have to use Lis's ability wisely and shoot the TV rocket at already damaged vehicles. Flying vehicles are difficult because once their damaged they would just zoom around the map waiting for their health to regain but tanks that are low on health would pop smoke and hide.....but not from lis. Once I knew this lis is really good. You have to stop shooting at vehicles with full health and use her ability to focus on vehicles that would be highlighted for you
just got the game the other day, I've been using her as my tank crew/repair tool set up. I was really sad you couldn't stack another shoulder fire. The highlight on damage enemy is nice for keeping me alive while repairing and knowing where to aim a rocket or 2 before I jump back in the tank. Kind hard to pull of with the randos I've been playing with a lot just drive off but sometime you get someone on the same page lol.
You need at least x3 Lis in a team in breakthrough for her to be super effective. Problem is no one selects her even though she can be a nightmare for all vehicles in this game. The fact that you are the only one targeting vehicles by yourself shows that more than anything else that you are playing alongside a team of bad players who don’t recognize the threat of vehicles and are playing the game like COD.
That would be all it takes for her to be great. Imaigne how much Carnage there would be mind if they applied that and everyone was playing her. Would really up he anti
The G-84 just need to be a 2 shot on most vehicles, maybe except for the transport (make it 3 shot) and the MBT (also 3 shot). To help combat this, tanks should be able to exchange their repair system for APS that can like block 1 of those every 40 seconds or so.
One note to help use this is to have an easily accessible DPI button. going from 1600 up to 3200 very quickly fixes the low turning speed. BF3 strats. You are also correct in using her like a dagger. Delete fleeing helis and sometimes tanks, that is what she does best. See the hunter highlight and send them right back to spawn. Never use both rockets at once if you can.
I also think it would be good to run her with scar or m5a1 because they have the grenade attachments therefore if the rockets leave that slight health on a vehicle u can clean that up with the grenade attachments
My problem is not when someone shoots the missile at me, that's fine I can eat it. The problem occurs when EVERYONE is carrying the missile launcher, so that 1 missile headed towards you turns into 5 or more missiles. Instantly dead.
It happened to me yesterday I was playing with a friend and her OF (other friend) right so we were in the Hind I was on the 50mm someone had fired a stinger at us the OF pulled the flares and we were pulling back tell my why there where 8 missles coming after us a little of the tv and stingers we laughed our asses off because that was terrifying asf.
I was on another page. Which showed a heli pilot getting 150 kills no deaths and he was complaining that Liz was op. Hmm. This video proves that wrong. And Liz is the only way these days you can take a heli out as the aa launcher is rubbish. Love your vids
Hey folks. I know, I a lot of whining about my feelings on the specialist in this one, but I felt it was necessary to convey how I think she should be played. Remember, be the dagger - not the hammer. What do you think about Lis as a specialist?
Btw the reason why no1 was running them is because they were really bad and then nerfed. But with 1.0.0 they buffed them again so I think they are better now?
I’ve been using Lis as a passenger on the condor/hind. Rockets help clean up armor vehicles and air vehicles and I can still run a repair tool to keep our vehicle healthy. Not that the transports needed more firepower.
just a note, Lis still sucks at taking out vehicles, I just started playing on the Xbox Game Pass, and trying to rank her up, but can't kill a vehicle worth a dmn, I usually end up going after the small transports with no weapons on them, i believe you can kill civilian vehicles and the jeeps with 1 solid hit, or 2 if one is a glancing blow... other than that I just player like a class without an ability...
I think liz is a good idea and I can tell that their idea is that liz rockets are meant to be more of a finishing tool like you suggested due to the passive; however, for some ungodly reason they nerfed her so that the turn cap on the rockets is so unreasonably high that its impossible to do even basic turns. The only reason you would want to use liz now is for a recoilless that recharges and is on a gadget slot so you can also run a medpen, ammo, ext... and even then you're imobile when you use it so its literally just worse than a recoilless in some situations like when I want to take out a vehicle my first pick is rao or angel and I never even consider liz
As an engi main from BFBC2 to BF4 I have to say, anti vehicle combat in 2042 doesnt feel good. When you hit a vehicle with any launcher, it doesnt feel like youre doing much of anything to it. Hitting certain spots doesnt make any difference (aiming for the engine of a tank). Its basically, you hit it, you do your little bit of damage, repeat.
I would totally play Liz, because she sounds like a Speicalist custom designed to be a pilot, after they bail out from being taken down by some other aircraft or vehicle. The battle isn't over, you're still going to want to duke it out with that vehicle as Liz... so... she plays on a different level, as the best specialist to be for a pilot temporarily on the ground until she can get back in the air. But for her to work, yeah, she needs to be able to take out a Super HInd. That's how I modded the LAW to be on my old 2142 server. Bascially ou had a handheld shotgun anti aircraft sholder fired rocket. It was somewhat easily avoided if the helicopter pilot saw it and was in lateral motion, but devastating to a stationary helicopter not paying attention hit from behind or the side. This is what I worry about in this game. In the old games we (or rather I) was able to get into the Python code and tweak and fix these tings. Apparently, you can't do this any more. Or even run your own modified, fixed, and improved server on your own silicon. I spent 5 years improving my version of the 2142 server, up until the very day GameSpy pulled the plug.
9:34 that's about where I'm at. I'm just trying to get the red and black uniform LOL. Also I would suggest camping the spots where the map Vehicles like the electric truck a little dune buggy Etc is because those are all one shot kill.
the more I play it the more I agree that her power is in numbers. My tank suffers the most when it is damaged and all the enemy liz are firing for the kill
I run soflam with lizz as the team will fire rockets. And lizz's rocket to clean up and the secure the kill. Works all the time. Also anti air is more of the rockets specialty not anti armor
Best loadout for exposure breakthrough: Irish (utilize trophy system where grenades are present) 12m auto +barrel magazine +factory barrel +k8 holo +cobra grip M44 +fusion holo Ammo crate Frag Grenade
Yeah...this new missile on this clone(specialist) just sucks. It's hard to hit with....it goes through targets(bugged) and you can't solo kill any heavy armor or air. You'd be better off running the regular fire and forget Anti- Tanks missiles. I play the "Liz" clone as Infantry and only use her missile when a situation arises.
Would like to see them adjust the damage on the TV a little bit, but otherwise I'm happy with her where she is. Not that it's as big a deal but you didn't mention the hit numbers on the light vehicles and the jet. The light vehicles (LATV, Hovercraft) appear to require 2 shots, kind of wish it was 1. The jet is a 1HK and OH SO SATISFYING when you hit it. As you mention, Lis works best when played as a support character. You said how blueberries make teamwork basically non-existent, and while that's true, I think that "well, nobody's teamplaying so this specialist is useless, time to go back to rambo Mackay" is the wrong way to go about it. I mean, obviously everyone should play however they want, but I think we need more encouragement to helping blueberries play better, because the possibility for teamplay is there, and when people are doing it the game is so much better. Good way to sum up Lis though, play first, rocket second. If you do have a vehicle that's brutalizing your team, it's not a bad idea to keep chasing it with your TV to at least buy your team a reprieve even if you don't kill it, but that certainly won't reflect in the scoreboard. She's more one of those unsung hero types I'd say, as any passively geared specialist is. Great video!
Could you try this: Lis + NTW + G84 Use NTW as close range attack, the moment vehicle low hp or try to hide with low health, G84 them, 100% death to Vehicle. Btn NTW is enough to break some part, could slow vehicle down, heli with broken rotor system is a dead heli
Thanks for this video! I suck at the game, but this was driving me insane. I really want to play a vehicle hunter, but Lis is definitely not it. The worst part is destroying vehicles is the only way to gain master levels with her. The other issue is that choppers can quickly duck out of the way.
I initially used lis with a meme build using the ntw50 as a tank hunter and tbh it worked well. Because the ntw50 is a hell of a lot faster than the rocket it seems that landing a rocket and pepper the tank keeps them spotted for a while. Idk if its true but it seems to attact all the attention from my team.
I toke this approach with the NTW, chip bullets at camping tanks to wear them down then end them with her rockets. They also don't tend to be able to work out where u are with the sniper.
I'm a tank main, and with the repair system on, I'll get hit by a TV rocket, and not even 4 seconds later, I'm back at full health. They're kinda like bee stings.
Her missle should do more damage than all rockets. Cooldown should be 15 seconds. If Recon has vehicles targeted it should automatically b guided to target
I gotta say, Liz is an exceptional anti air, if you have the skill, I can almost always hit an in air vehicle I'm aiming at! This isn't thought of much, but even if you don't hit the air vehicle, you almost certainly got them to pop flares, exposing them to your teammates aa ; )
I thought I heard you say you can slow down her rocket. How do you do that on PC? I agree she is weak. All those that disagree try her and try to hit a moving heli. It doesn't even have to be moving fast. It is so easy oversteer and miss the heli. The rocket has a high turn radius and too late to make corrections. Heli pilots, need to not fear her. Now after watching this I know there is no reason to shoot any vehicle unless it has extremely low health. I probably won't play her much longer. Thanks
Anyone else in cornel level 50 retirement, going "this is just the UCAV, except 'just a little bit special " Like seriously, the community forums review bombed the shit out of that, this game franchise was literally not dogshit from 2007 - 2012
great video series Cat really positive vibe I enjoyed this a lot learned a lot too thanks for your time looking forward to more videos like this and I am going to binge-watch the other videos in the series.
The fact you have to get a direct hit on a eminem is ridiculous. Her missle should be the coolest looking missle in the game but it's not. No huge explosion, just quick flash and that's it. If missle is her special just make it look cool at least.
I think you are putting too much focus on her rockets and not enough on her passive. I run an anti armor grenade launcher on my rifle. Put three rounds into a tank and as it tries to flee, that's where he rockets come into play. The passive will let you see it running away while you are in cover. Put the two rockets into it and you've got a kill. I run ammo crate to refill my grenades. Or if you have someone supplying ammo, running c5 is very useful when you can see a tank through walls and around corners.
Whenever I fly Super Hind / Condor or the Attack Heli, honestly I get shot at by no less than 4-5 Lis at a time. Ive even had up to 8 rockets flying at me at one time. Blueberries can be very persistent if youre farming, even if they arent hitting you.
I like Lis concept but her rockets are underpowered when it comes to tanks on the off chance you might catch a jeep or a bolt in the wild you still run the risk of being exposed and dying
I think Lis is utter crap. The ability to see damaged vehicles at best a minor benefit which would be at least a little better if you could maybe see their HP as well. The requirement for her T1 skin should be normal kills and assists with the rocket because as it stands 400 vehicles destroyed is ridiculous. It controls like a bus with flat tyres and reloads and recharges far too slow. At least if it did more damage then the reload/recharge speed would be justified because it's also so hard to control, and would make the damage output more in proportion. As it stands, when you think you've done enough damage to a vehicle to subsequently blow it up with the rocket or just spotted one low enough on health, one of a few things will happen: 1) The rocket is so piss weak your target survives with a pixel of health and someone steals your kill. 2) It survives and blasts you into next year because you need twenty minutes to reload the next shot. 3) It just flees and regenerates or gets repaired because you missed, and hitting a heli is like trying to use a potato gun to shoot a fly on crack. Condors and Hinds shrug off the rocket like they've just been hit with a water balloon. Even when using the NTW-50 (which I fking can't stand using) to try and compliment her "anti-vehicle" capabilites, she's still inferior to other specialist and gadget combinations. Edit: Some thoughts I have on how to improve her, not all points necessarily have to be implemented, they're just individual suggestions that may or may not work well in conjunction with one another: 1) Balance out the damage/reload speed. If the rocket did more damage, the current reload/recharge speed would be more justified. It's supposed to be an _anti-vehicle *missile*..._ 2) Let her see vehicle health along with the aura, but maybe have it so that if a vehicle is under 25% health, it has an indicator to let you know you might have a better chance of destroying it. 3) Have the rocket do more damage if you've boosted it. 4) Change up vehicles themselves so that they have weak points that you can hit to inflict more damage like in previous BF titles. At least this way if you're lucky enough to guide the rocket into said weak spot it might have a better chance of destroying the vehicle.
After watching bff on Liz I thigubt she be fun but in reality she isn't. She gets two rockets which are reloaded so slowly they don't do enough damage to desotry a vehicle nor dose the explosion have the damage to even kill a sniper. I always try and lob these into the air so I have enough time to hit a ground unit but it's far to weak. It's next to impossible to actually hit anything moving with this thing it lacks gas damage and more. Unless your running with with doom squad your next to useless. The only real way to get higher dps to aim at a target and back out so you can load it faster. I feel like boost should do more damage
I think lis is a vehicle crippler hear me out if you have lis with a high rate of fire gun with ap rounds(or that other gun that I think is a 50.mm cannon with ap rounds) she can take out a lot of a tanks health and then the tank is super easy to finish off.and if you get a friend to be Roa its super easy to kill a tank
She is weak AF to be honest, if some of the heavier vehicles have more than half hp u might as well not try to take them out at all.Her misiles need a big buff to damage.
She's not Overpowered. Least not on PS4. Takes 2 G84 agaisnt a 4X4. 3-4 to take a tank. But usually by the time it reloads, they use their repair. I managed to 1 shot an MV-22. (alot of ppl have said light targets take one, tanks take 2, maybe 3. Aircraft takes 1-2).
The hit detection for her rocket is also garbage. Completely stopped by some foliage, but not by others. Goes through rotor blades, skis, etc like a ghost. Mastering/unlocks that require rocket kills fml
I think the least forgivable thing about lis is that she's, overall, probably the worst anti tank/vehicle operator due to the fact that her gadget stops you taking launchers and both launchers are better in Thier own ways than hers. It irks me to no end that when I play her and a tank or chopper is giving us grief I have to swap to someone else to really deal with them and switch back. Like if every person on your team took stingers or AT launchers vehicles would basically be useless for the enemy. But if everyone played lis then choppers would still be okay for the most part, jets would be fine and even tanks would still have a chance. Thats what I hate the most about her. Not that she isn't strong overall, just that shes actually worse than anyone else in the game at her singular purpose.
They need to buff her rockets. They are far too weak. They're not even very effective vs infantry. I can't count how many times I landed one at a player's feet and it doesn't kill them. Honestly, I think ALL the vehicles in the game are too overpowered. You could solo kill a tank in BF3 & BF4. Now, the only way to do it is to get in close and drop C5 on them. But that can be difficult because, from 3rd person view, vehicle drivers have a 360 degree view around their vehicle. Drivers and gunners should be locked to 1st person view JUST LIKE INFANTRY ARE, as this is a huge advantage. I mean, you're already in a vehicle that offers armor protection and powerful guns or missiles. You shouldn't also get eyes in the back of your head.
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I think it would be cool if we could manually detonate the rocket especially since direct hits are hard
Like the UCAV in bf4 !
exactly, like the UCAV in BF4
Detonate and slow down as well as speed up
Can u slow down the speed of the rocket?
There is barely any splash damage so detonating it wouldn't achieve much it is very much a direct hit weapon.
I like to use Lis’s rockets to kill those annoying snipers camping spots like the tower near the A objectives on the new map. It stops them from snipe camping you when trying to exit your base.
^This^ The TV missile has one major advantage over the other launchers: you can fire from cover and fly it to your target. You never have to expose yourself to being spotted or shot.
I use Liz w a long range rifle loadout
This is what I do! I love her!
I agree, she’s weak. The TV is pretty difficult to connect with especially at close range. The ability of highlighting vehicles is only slightly useful.
There are Def hit reg/ server problems with it
IMHO, she's the worst class in the game.
@@j.c._gaming4671 my missiles will go straight through helis 40% of the time doing no damage
This is my suggestion for her to get better:
• 3 ammunition
• Load the launcher faster
• When the rocket is 5m away from the target, it will lock.
Obrigado pelo ótimo vídeo. Abraços.
5m to lock might be unnecessary. In 5m a rocket with that speed cant really maneuver much.
As well as increase the radius of damage
When you play her like a dagger as you suggest she is a lot more fun. Focus on the match and use her ability in opportune moments rather than constantly searching for a vehicle to shoot. My number of destroyed vehicles skyrocketed when I developed this mindset.
That's what did to the enemy tank my friendly tank who was my squadmate said he was about to die so I had used the tv missile not only was that a full crew I had taken them out and saved my friendly tank.
I’ve literally had rockets completely do 180’s and phase throw vehicles without doing any damage. She is fun when she works, at least when I use her
Literally the same. Ive had my missile phase through enemy aircraft so many times i literally just gave up on using her. Angel is a MUCH better anti vehicle specialist.
@@jessegershon6579 I sometimes happens to me too but after a few times that damn condor or hind came back and they are almost dead me and my friend took them down but I do hope they patch it and when you fire any weapon and it just stops firing when you're in the middle of a gunfight and no I don't stop firing because of reloading it just stops when I have around half bullets left in my mag.
Just a little bit more damage
it needs a proximity detonation i agree
2 things, one is the boost on the rocket more fuel efficient for distance. And two I think lis would be far more viable if she was effected by ammo crates
As far as I can tell, fuel doesn't matter whatsoever. The rocket is going to explode after 450m of travel time anyways.
I use Lis mostly for anti-air when playing both solo and with a friend. We were extremely annoyed by the stealth heli, and we were trying Hacking + Soflam + M5 which in theory would work brilliantly, hack the stealth heli, soflam it, then M5 it.
In reality Heli pilots would immediately exit stealth mode before the hack completes and pop flares, and then fly out of range or into cover. We had a very tough time killing helis.
We both switched to Lis and we had much better luck. Though now 2 hits were required, the flares and hiding behind buildings or hills were no longer a problem. Considering the stupidly short cooldown on flares, I consider lock-on weapons to be mostly useless on helicopters.
I think a good change would be if we could see how much health a vehicle has left when its spotted fpr you. And if the specific parts were highlighted with a different color.
I think the best Casper compromise would be to allow C4 droning, but only 1 C4 pack on the drone allowed.
C5 droning isn't game breaking enough to need a patch imo, it's an effective strat when working in a team
One of my big problems with her, is with helicopters the missile ONLY hits if you hit it in the base. Top propeller, no reg, rear propeller, no reg. On top of that, they should do enough damage to take wildcats out with 3 rockets instead of 4.
I think yoy missed the point on when to use the TV rocket. You pointed out that lis has an ability to see "damaged" vehicles on the map. That ability helps you with the TV rocket. I wouldn't shoot ata vehicle that wasn't damaged because you made a good point on the wildcat that by the time your 3rd rocket recharges the vehicles health would be back up to full. So you have to use Lis's ability wisely and shoot the TV rocket at already damaged vehicles. Flying vehicles are difficult because once their damaged they would just zoom around the map waiting for their health to regain but tanks that are low on health would pop smoke and hide.....but not from lis. Once I knew this lis is really good. You have to stop shooting at vehicles with full health and use her ability to focus on vehicles that would be highlighted for you
just got the game the other day, I've been using her as my tank crew/repair tool set up. I was really sad you couldn't stack another shoulder fire. The highlight on damage enemy is nice for keeping me alive while repairing and knowing where to aim a rocket or 2 before I jump back in the tank. Kind hard to pull of with the randos I've been playing with a lot just drive off but sometime you get someone on the same page lol.
You need at least x3 Lis in a team in breakthrough for her to be super effective. Problem is no one selects her even though she can be a nightmare for all vehicles in this game. The fact that you are the only one targeting vehicles by yourself shows that more than anything else that you are playing alongside a team of bad players who don’t recognize the threat of vehicles and are playing the game like COD.
Playing her on console is the least fun I’ve had in 2042 trying to turn the rocket is so painfully slow and I play at 70 out of 100 sensitivity
What would help with her is adding one more rocket and/or decreasing cool down and buffing damage slightly.
That would be all it takes for her to be great. Imaigne how much Carnage there would be mind if they applied that and everyone was playing her. Would really up he anti
The g84 is great at the C point on exposure, fire it out of the board room, loop back around and take out people landing on the roof.
The G-84 just need to be a 2 shot on most vehicles, maybe except for the transport (make it 3 shot) and the MBT (also 3 shot).
To help combat this, tanks should be able to exchange their repair system for APS that can like block 1 of those every 40 seconds or so.
"Oh no I can't destroy a tank solo from 500m away while the tank is behind a cover with a missile designed to destroy choppers"
Very nice Video. Thank you!
Why would you want them to patch c5 drones? That's a core feature
You are so right on point with this video
One note to help use this is to have an easily accessible DPI button. going from 1600 up to 3200 very quickly fixes the low turning speed. BF3 strats. You are also correct in using her like a dagger. Delete fleeing helis and sometimes tanks, that is what she does best. See the hunter highlight and send them right back to spawn. Never use both rockets at once if you can.
Good point, reverse sniper button.
I also think it would be good to run her with scar or m5a1 because they have the grenade attachments therefore if the rockets leave that slight health on a vehicle u can clean that up with the grenade attachments
40mm AP nades seem very under utilized but they're so powerful. I've killed loads of vehicles with them, even helicopters.
I simply rush, chuck a smoke, slap 1 or 2 c5s depending on the vehicle, and finish with the rocket.
My problem is not when someone shoots the missile at me, that's fine I can eat it. The problem occurs when EVERYONE is carrying the missile launcher, so that 1 missile headed towards you turns into 5 or more missiles. Instantly dead.
It happened to me yesterday I was playing with a friend and her OF (other friend) right so we were in the Hind I was on the 50mm someone had fired a stinger at us the OF pulled the flares and we were pulling back tell my why there where 8 missles coming after us a little of the tv and stingers we laughed our asses off because that was terrifying asf.
I was on another page. Which showed a heli pilot getting 150 kills no deaths and he was complaining that Liz was op. Hmm. This video proves that wrong. And Liz is the only way these days you can take a heli out as the aa launcher is rubbish. Love your vids
Hey folks. I know, I a lot of whining about my feelings on the specialist in this one, but I felt it was necessary to convey how I think she should be played. Remember, be the dagger - not the hammer. What do you think about Lis as a specialist?
Btw the reason why no1 was running them is because they were really bad and then nerfed. But with 1.0.0 they buffed them again so I think they are better now?
I’ve been using Lis as a passenger on the condor/hind. Rockets help clean up armor vehicles and air vehicles and I can still run a repair tool to keep our vehicle healthy. Not that the transports needed more firepower.
stop uploading 2042 content nobody plays this game nor will you ever get enough views for it
just a note, Lis still sucks at taking out vehicles, I just started playing on the Xbox Game Pass, and trying to rank her up, but can't kill a vehicle worth a dmn, I usually end up going after the small transports with no weapons on them, i believe you can kill civilian vehicles and the jeeps with 1 solid hit, or 2 if one is a glancing blow... other than that I just player like a class without an ability...
I think liz is a good idea and I can tell that their idea is that liz rockets are meant to be more of a finishing tool like you suggested due to the passive; however, for some ungodly reason they nerfed her so that the turn cap on the rockets is so unreasonably high that its impossible to do even basic turns.
The only reason you would want to use liz now is for a recoilless that recharges and is on a gadget slot so you can also run a medpen, ammo, ext... and even then you're imobile when you use it so its literally just worse than a recoilless in some situations
like when I want to take out a vehicle my first pick is rao or angel and I never even consider liz
As an engi main from BFBC2 to BF4 I have to say, anti vehicle combat in 2042 doesnt feel good. When you hit a vehicle with any launcher, it doesnt feel like youre doing much of anything to it. Hitting certain spots doesnt make any difference (aiming for the engine of a tank).
Its basically, you hit it, you do your little bit of damage, repeat.
I would totally play Liz, because she sounds like a Speicalist custom designed to be a pilot, after they bail out from being taken down by some other aircraft or vehicle. The battle isn't over, you're still going to want to duke it out with that vehicle as Liz... so... she plays on a different level, as the best specialist to be for a pilot temporarily on the ground until she can get back in the air. But for her to work, yeah, she needs to be able to take out a Super HInd. That's how I modded the LAW to be on my old 2142 server. Bascially ou had a handheld shotgun anti aircraft sholder fired rocket. It was somewhat easily avoided if the helicopter pilot saw it and was in lateral motion, but devastating to a stationary helicopter not paying attention hit from behind or the side.
This is what I worry about in this game. In the old games we (or rather I) was able to get into the Python code and tweak and fix these tings. Apparently, you can't do this any more. Or even run your own modified, fixed, and improved server on your own silicon. I spent 5 years improving my version of the 2142 server, up until the very day GameSpy pulled the plug.
9:34 that's about where I'm at.
I'm just trying to get the red and black uniform LOL.
Also I would suggest camping the spots where the map Vehicles like the electric truck a little dune buggy Etc is because those are all one shot kill.
the more I play it the more I agree that her power is in numbers. My tank suffers the most when it is damaged and all the enemy liz are firing for the kill
I run soflam with lizz as the team will fire rockets. And lizz's rocket to clean up and the secure the kill. Works all the time. Also anti air is more of the rockets specialty not anti armor
Best loadout for exposure breakthrough:
Irish (utilize trophy system where grenades are present)
12m auto
+barrel magazine
+factory barrel
+k8 holo
+cobra grip
M44
+fusion holo
Ammo crate
Frag Grenade
Battlefield really really really need to buff her I hate vehicle camps
Yeah...this new missile on this clone(specialist) just sucks. It's hard to hit with....it goes through targets(bugged) and you can't solo kill any heavy armor or air. You'd be better off running the regular fire and forget Anti- Tanks missiles. I play the "Liz" clone as Infantry and only use her missile when a situation arises.
In my opinion she's perfectly balanced
She fun to play
Would like to see them adjust the damage on the TV a little bit, but otherwise I'm happy with her where she is. Not that it's as big a deal but you didn't mention the hit numbers on the light vehicles and the jet. The light vehicles (LATV, Hovercraft) appear to require 2 shots, kind of wish it was 1. The jet is a 1HK and OH SO SATISFYING when you hit it.
As you mention, Lis works best when played as a support character. You said how blueberries make teamwork basically non-existent, and while that's true, I think that "well, nobody's teamplaying so this specialist is useless, time to go back to rambo Mackay" is the wrong way to go about it. I mean, obviously everyone should play however they want, but I think we need more encouragement to helping blueberries play better, because the possibility for teamplay is there, and when people are doing it the game is so much better.
Good way to sum up Lis though, play first, rocket second. If you do have a vehicle that's brutalizing your team, it's not a bad idea to keep chasing it with your TV to at least buy your team a reprieve even if you don't kill it, but that certainly won't reflect in the scoreboard. She's more one of those unsung hero types I'd say, as any passively geared specialist is.
Great video!
Could you try this:
Lis + NTW + G84
Use NTW as close range attack, the moment vehicle low hp or try to hide with low health, G84 them, 100% death to Vehicle.
Btn NTW is enough to break some part, could slow vehicle down, heli with broken rotor system is a dead heli
Thanks for this video! I suck at the game, but this was driving me insane. I really want to play a vehicle hunter, but Lis is definitely not it. The worst part is destroying vehicles is the only way to gain master levels with her. The other issue is that choppers can quickly duck out of the way.
I initially used lis with a meme build using the ntw50 as a tank hunter and tbh it worked well. Because the ntw50 is a hell of a lot faster than the rocket it seems that landing a rocket and pepper the tank keeps them spotted for a while. Idk if its true but it seems to attact all the attention from my team.
I toke this approach with the NTW, chip bullets at camping tanks to wear them down then end them with her rockets. They also don't tend to be able to work out where u are with the sniper.
I found she pairs well with the NTW 50, Together thy become a bit more formidable. Just a bit!!
Absolutel best loadout for her. NTW50, G84, C5 and smoke grenades and you become a monster out there.
I'm a tank main, and with the repair system on, I'll get hit by a TV rocket, and not even 4 seconds later, I'm back at full health. They're kinda like bee stings.
I thought it would be like Firing a predator missile all match but apparently not.
Why does the rocket do a back flip randomly and go through choppers and tanks
I'm not sure about the flip, but I know what you are talking about. I tried to replicate it in testing but couldn't. Seems to happen randomly.
Her missle should do more damage than all rockets. Cooldown should be 15 seconds.
If Recon has vehicles targeted it should automatically b guided to target
As soon as you said gunfire can break it it happened lol
I gotta say, Liz is an exceptional anti air, if you have the skill, I can almost always hit an in air vehicle I'm aiming at! This isn't thought of much, but even if you don't hit the air vehicle, you almost certainly got them to pop flares, exposing them to your teammates aa ; )
Good video as always Cat
You did a great job explaining this nfo...Word was truth😉💯👍
I thought I heard you say you can slow down her rocket. How do you do that on PC?
I agree she is weak. All those that disagree try her and try to hit a moving heli. It doesn't even have to be moving fast. It is so easy oversteer and miss the heli. The rocket has a high turn radius and too late to make corrections. Heli pilots, need to not fear her. Now after watching this I know there is no reason to shoot any vehicle unless it has extremely low health. I probably won't play her much longer. Thanks
You can’t slow it down, only speed it up.
@@CatalystHD ok, how do you speed it up on PC? Thanks.
@@BM-PC_Gamer LShift
@@DunkinDonutGoesFast thanks!
Anyone else in cornel level 50 retirement, going "this is just the UCAV, except 'just a little bit special "
Like seriously, the community forums review bombed the shit out of that, this game franchise was literally not dogshit from 2007 - 2012
Thanks for the guidance 😊
Great guide! Subscribed
Getting 40 vehicle destroys took 25 battlepass levels(grinded her after unlocking her until I was done
Rao is extremely useful to remove those stealth choppies from the sky.
GreatVideo!!!! Just got the game.....Still learnin how everything works.....New Sub.
great video series Cat really positive vibe I enjoyed this a lot learned a lot too thanks for your time looking forward to more videos like this and I am going to binge-watch the other videos in the series.
The fact you have to get a direct hit on a eminem is ridiculous. Her missle should be the coolest looking missle in the game but it's not. No huge explosion, just quick flash and that's it. If missle is her special just make it look cool at least.
I think you are putting too much focus on her rockets and not enough on her passive. I run an anti armor grenade launcher on my rifle. Put three rounds into a tank and as it tries to flee, that's where he rockets come into play. The passive will let you see it running away while you are in cover. Put the two rockets into it and you've got a kill. I run ammo crate to refill my grenades. Or if you have someone supplying ammo, running c5 is very useful when you can see a tank through walls and around corners.
Whenever I fly Super Hind / Condor or the Attack Heli, honestly I get shot at by no less than 4-5 Lis at a time. Ive even had up to 8 rockets flying at me at one time.
Blueberries can be very persistent if youre farming, even if they arent hitting you.
i tried using her on console and you can barely turn the missle at all. it makes it almost impossible to hit moving targets.
It can turn quickly, but only in the 4 basic directions: up, down, left and right. It refuses to turn on any diagonal.
I've tried this rocket launcher and when I used it yesterday instead of controlling the rocket it put me under the ground and I couldn't guide it
Only go for choppers!
They don't need to patch casper's drone, Sundance's grenades track them now. Great to throw out of choppers...
they need Different ammo for the launcher like the grenade from sundance
I have no idea how to get her to T1 with the low damage on targets
Her rocket is to hard to control. It needs a proximity detonate and a little more damage or faster cool down
I like Lis concept but her rockets are underpowered when it comes to tanks on the off chance you might catch a jeep or a bolt in the wild you still run the risk of being exposed and dying
Well totay we know to use her mainly against air targets. Or that is what i do.
Thanks
I'm not sure why any of the launchers don't do more than 20 damage. It's like DICE is afraid of pissing off the heli/jet pilots that no life vehicles.
I thought you were saying TV Missile (sounds better imo) 🥴🥴😂🤣😂
It displays vehicles that are hacked as well.
They made is very difficult to solo vehicles with weapons other than C5.
I think Lis is utter crap. The ability to see damaged vehicles at best a minor benefit which would be at least a little better if you could maybe see their HP as well.
The requirement for her T1 skin should be normal kills and assists with the rocket because as it stands 400 vehicles destroyed is ridiculous. It controls like a bus with flat tyres and reloads and recharges far too slow. At least if it did more damage then the reload/recharge speed would be justified because it's also so hard to control, and would make the damage output more in proportion.
As it stands, when you think you've done enough damage to a vehicle to subsequently blow it up with the rocket or just spotted one low enough on health, one of a few things will happen: 1) The rocket is so piss weak your target survives with a pixel of health and someone steals your kill. 2) It survives and blasts you into next year because you need twenty minutes to reload the next shot. 3) It just flees and regenerates or gets repaired because you missed, and hitting a heli is like trying to use a potato gun to shoot a fly on crack. Condors and Hinds shrug off the rocket like they've just been hit with a water balloon.
Even when using the NTW-50 (which I fking can't stand using) to try and compliment her "anti-vehicle" capabilites, she's still inferior to other specialist and gadget combinations.
Edit: Some thoughts I have on how to improve her, not all points necessarily have to be implemented, they're just individual suggestions that may or may not work well in conjunction with one another:
1) Balance out the damage/reload speed. If the rocket did more damage, the current reload/recharge speed would be more justified. It's supposed to be an _anti-vehicle *missile*..._
2) Let her see vehicle health along with the aura, but maybe have it so that if a vehicle is under 25% health, it has an indicator to let you know you might have a better chance of destroying it.
3) Have the rocket do more damage if you've boosted it.
4) Change up vehicles themselves so that they have weak points that you can hit to inflict more damage like in previous BF titles. At least this way if you're lucky enough to guide the rocket into said weak spot it might have a better chance of destroying the vehicle.
How do you boost?
After watching bff on Liz I thigubt she be fun but in reality she isn't.
She gets two rockets which are reloaded so slowly they don't do enough damage to desotry a vehicle nor dose the explosion have the damage to even kill a sniper.
I always try and lob these into the air so I have enough time to hit a ground unit but it's far to weak. It's next to impossible to actually hit anything moving with this thing it lacks gas damage and more. Unless your running with with doom squad your next to useless.
The only real way to get higher dps to aim at a target and back out so you can load it faster. I feel like boost should do more damage
I think lis is a vehicle crippler hear me out if you have lis with a high rate of fire gun with ap rounds(or that other gun that I think is a 50.mm cannon with ap rounds) she can take out a lot of a tanks health and then the tank is super easy to finish off.and if you get a friend to be Roa its super easy to kill a tank
She is weak AF to be honest, if some of the heavier vehicles have more than half hp u might as well not try to take them out at all.Her misiles need a big buff to damage.
Liz is awesome in Hardcore, 2 for a tank, a large red damaged helo should die one hit.
her rocket is good when damaged vehicle trying to run away..
A lot of the time it seems my missile goes right through helicopters
The hit boxes on helis are so bad in this game. Hitting the propeller blades don't count even though they should.
She's not Overpowered. Least not on PS4. Takes 2 G84 agaisnt a 4X4. 3-4 to take a tank. But usually by the time it reloads, they use their repair. I managed to 1 shot an MV-22.
(alot of ppl have said light targets take one, tanks take 2, maybe 3. Aircraft takes 1-2).
The rocket would be so much better if it had remote detonation
On console(PS5), what buttons speed up the rocket and/or send it in current trajectory?
Click LS
The hit detection for her rocket is also garbage. Completely stopped by some foliage, but not by others. Goes through rotor blades, skis, etc like a ghost. Mastering/unlocks that require rocket kills fml
it will help if you use your chat box. if you could type, people will help.
I think the least forgivable thing about lis is that she's, overall, probably the worst anti tank/vehicle operator due to the fact that her gadget stops you taking launchers and both launchers are better in Thier own ways than hers. It irks me to no end that when I play her and a tank or chopper is giving us grief I have to swap to someone else to really deal with them and switch back. Like if every person on your team took stingers or AT launchers vehicles would basically be useless for the enemy. But if everyone played lis then choppers would still be okay for the most part, jets would be fine and even tanks would still have a chance. Thats what I hate the most about her. Not that she isn't strong overall, just that shes actually worse than anyone else in the game at her singular purpose.
Nice
They need to buff her rockets. They are far too weak. They're not even very effective vs infantry. I can't count how many times I landed one at a player's feet and it doesn't kill them. Honestly, I think ALL the vehicles in the game are too overpowered. You could solo kill a tank in BF3 & BF4. Now, the only way to do it is to get in close and drop C5 on them. But that can be difficult because, from 3rd person view, vehicle drivers have a 360 degree view around their vehicle. Drivers and gunners should be locked to 1st person view JUST LIKE INFANTRY ARE, as this is a huge advantage. I mean, you're already in a vehicle that offers armor protection and powerful guns or missiles. You shouldn't also get eyes in the back of your head.
Sundance and C4 is a better Specialist / Combo than the new Operator...
the launcher does to low damage its sad
Just weight until the health is low lol
Who’s LIS??
Cooldown needs to be less and the reload animation is too slow. There fixed.
10:37 😂
He actually says blueberries.
WISH I HAD NO RECOIL 5x scope and no recoil at all