If you are interested in a more up-to-date take on this as well as a some great Lis tips of his own Timeless Gamer did a really good video which can be found here: ua-cam.com/video/ASLnCPEsbLQ/v-deo.html
Amazing ty going for a new thing to master. I've just been using the m5 for 10 hrs of gameplay now. Is not bad, but lis could be way better. Just never thought of using her.
I agree. Interesting to see that Lis does less damage to transport helis than Stingers do - nicely shows how different gadgets are designed to interact.
@@favclassisspy9478 yeah that was definitely a surprising result. I was expecting the same if not more damage from Lis, but I guess the logic from Dice is that they are quite easy to hit with Lis missile.
Great guide bro. As a BF chopper veteran it has been a learning experience to deal with the TGM and this guide illustrates just how frustrating it can be getting one shot from a good TGM pilot. Earned a new sub. 👌
It's very satisfying dodging the TGMs. It's horrible when you can hear the missile coming but you can't see it. I also find it super annoying getting hacked since it's just wasting both my time and the Rao's time, at least with being hit by a Lis missile I feel like they earned the kill. Thanks for the comment and the sub, I really appreciate it!
Were you the pilot coward who went 45 and 0 in servers ducking down behind mountains constantly? Hope not. I used to hunt them with stingers from parachute in air... Lul
It's definitely a good call on Dice's part. Since they are so easy to hit and ground vehicles are already in a pretty weak state. Lis missiles are still useful against them but just a little less so than the M5 recoilless.
I’m glad that ppl are making more guides/tips & tricks vids and detailed ones like yours, didn’t have much of them over the last year understandably so cuz of the state of the game but now that it’s making a comeback im starting to learn new things every day, had to learn thing over months before haha
I've definitely noticed a large resurgence of videos on BF coming up in my feed. I first I thought the algorithm was just noticing a match with the content I was putting out, but it seems like this free weekend as done great for the community. I'm glad to see the numbers up! Thanks for the comment!
Great vibe man. I know so many haters irl because of the week one reviews.. It's actually great being part of day1 version and the current state. We know 2042's all ups and downs 💪
@@cryo_vL and it definitely has had ups and downs XD I wish Dice (and let's be honest, mostly EA) would have just gave it another year in the oven. But I'm glad it is getting better either way.
I know everyone’s already commented this but… thank you so much. I’ve always taken an aa approach in battlefield games and have been playing as rao with an aa launcher, you’re 1000% right. At a certain point there’s nothing I could do against a skilled heli pilot, I’d hack (“what’s my password” lol) and they’d pop flares the moment before I succeed. They’d then hide behind the environment and return 3 seconds later with malice and swiftly eliminate my angry self. I always had such a hard time whenever attempting lis as an Xbox player, still figuring out the right sensitivity for it but I’ve taken down 25 vehicles in the past 2 days since finding this video. Truly perfect demonstrations and phrasing the entire video. The graphs hit home and were like a gut punch that kicked me into action. Thanks again, looking forward to future videos
Wow thanks so much for the kind words! It's great to hear that this is actually having a positive effect on the community! I think that it's definitely not something that is obvious, using Rao just makes so much sense in the beginning, but as pilots start to get used to it, it ends up just having little effect, and I can see how that would change into players saying, 'Aircraft are so overpowered because I cannot deal with them anymore'. I'm also very glad to hear that as an Xbox player you are having success! I've heard from quite a few console players that they can't find success since controlling the missiles with a controller is too difficult. If you have any tips for them, please let them know!
Great guide. I think that Rao suits better for disabling ground vehicles imo. Also, my rule of thumb for taking air vehicles is using some sort of marking (i.e. tracing dart, SOFLAM) and team coordination, but after watching this I'll give Lis a go one more time.
I would definitely recommend trying her out, but you need to put the time in. I think it's easy to be deterred by the lack of results early but that is what makes her so worthwhile when you can start hitting these shots. I would say I am decent with her, and I still miss shots all of the time. Some days I'll hit all of my shots and some days I can barely hit any. Good luck! Hope it goes well, thanks for commenting!
Totally agree, I run a SOFLAM, M240B & Ammo crate as angel and I feel unstoppable at times, I can mark, lay suppressive fire and revive team mates. The SOFLAM is definitely one of the greatest gadgets BF has when utilized properly.
It may just be me but IMO casper's drone is better at disabling armor than Rao's hack. You can sit a considerable distance away from the vehicle and just hover above it, putting it in a stun-lock until someone finally notices your drone (which often they dont)
Great video! Only counter I have is to last part where you say "The Hind and the Conder with a full squad repairing them is almost an impossible task for an individual to take care of." I don't believe that would make them OP in any way because it requires teamwork, which shouldn't be easy to combat as an individual especially in a game like Battlefield where team play should be incentivized. As someone who loves flying the support vehicles I promise you one squad of Liz's and Rao's alone is enough to constantly harass and eventually kill a good Hind and Condor pilot. Add an AA vehicle to the mix, enemy helicopters and jets, hell even that new rail gun, then the Support Vehicles feel underpowered. The complaint of vehicles being overpowered is probably the most common and annoying complaint I heard in every battlefield game. Each specialist/class and vehicle has it's pros, cons, and counters, which are easier taken care of if you work as a team.
I think my problem is that the dual passenger healing with the pilot healing is way too good. An individual absolutely cannot take them out, your team needs to come together to deal with these. Also the hind feels more maneuverable than it ought to be. If the pilot isn't great and doesn't know when to get out of there, they aren't a problem, but a pilot who is constantly stopping and starting around the battlefield in a hind is incredibly hard to deal with. In that case I think Rao is a good option for stalling them.
Using just stingers, I have shot down 1300 aircraft. I did that working alone and mostly during the period when half my missiles went straight up into the sky due to bugs. As soon as flare times were extended, the difficulty in shooting down an aircraft with stingers increased significantly. I have found positioning to be the most principal factor in achieving kills. Harassment without kills can help your team win, but you will get few points for your effort. Working in teams is an entirely different matter. Rao, Liz, SOFLAM, M5, AA vehicle and Angel working together can own the skies.
Oh yeah you can definitely be successful with the stinger, but against those really good pilots getting a single hit is really hard, and then getting two hits one after the other is near impossible. Did they extend the flare duration, or did they just animate it? I do recall that close to release once a chopper popped it's flares you couldn't lock onto it for a short duration, your stinger just wouldn't lock, and then in some patch they added an animation of the flares continuing to stream out until you could lock on. Yeah, I do find that using the stinger is thankless work if you are unable to get kills :( It's partly the reason I moved to using Lis since I was having much more success taking out choppers. Thanks for the comment!
This is a good explanation of Rao’s ability and how he works when attempting to take down a heli. I do find that not all pilots are as good as this and I also find Rao’s ability to be disable vehicles to be invaluable. Keep the great content coming! Thanks!
But when you do come across a skilled pilot he can troll you all game. I’m going to go back and practice lis. It makes sense even a dummy can play that hacker guy
I 100% agree, there are a lot of pilots that the Rao and stinger combo will work on every time, that is partly why I think so many people still focus on using this strategy whenever they encounter a difficult pilot but the results from weaker pilots likely won't lead to results on a stronger pilot. But if you practice with Lis and get good with her missile you will be able to deal with strong and weak pilots alike.
Lis is my main, love using her rockets for free kills on camping snipers. My full AA build is Lis, the Rorsch, and C5. I find that the Rorsch is great to use intermittently on armor with the TGMs for both ground vehicles and support helis. Nothing like single-handedly destroying an enemy tank from afar! Edit: one last thing, I personally very rarely use the boost function on the TGM. It's much easier to guide its trajectory without it, granted the rocket isn't shot down prior.
I just unlocked the Rorsch and it does seem fun, as a pilot I was very concerned that air vehicles would be absolutely useless with their presence, but so far it doesn't seem the case. It is definitely good to use with Lis for finishing off those attack choppers or transports. I suck with I would strongly recommend getting used to the boost. In choppers the missiles are very easy to dodge at their default speed. Thanks for your comment :D
Personally, I always used to roll Lis with a weapon that could hold 40mm AP grenades, which are often overlooked but very powerful. But I admit the Rorsch may be gamechanger. Me and a friend had a blast today peppering wounded aircraft and seeing which one of us could finish them off.
Awesome video my dude. I love the versatility of Lis's tgm. Taking out sniper campers, people on top of buildings, rangers, spawn beacons, 1 shoting trucks, the deployed turrets, defeating dozers shield and ofcourse air vehicles. Even if you aren't the best, simply harassing the pilots gets them away from farming your team for a bit
It's so good. I just needed to tell people about it. As someone who flies a lot, I rarely see people will Lis missiles targeting me, meanwhile there is an abundance of Rao players spamming their hack to no avail. Hopefully this will get more people trying her out and seeing that she is a great choice when dealing with pilots! Thanks for commenting!
Haven't played for a long time and have been thinking about returning. Respect to the effort you have put into this video. I love the guided missiles after learning to use them in BF3/4 onwards. Vehicles never stood a chance with the accuracy they offer.
They were very fun in BF4, I used to play in the boats that had them all the time, and I thoroughly enjoyed hitting littlebirds and jets with them, so having an infantry unit with a portable version is very fun. I would recommend checking it out, the game certainly has gotten much better since release. Is it worth full price? I'm not so sure, but if you can get it in a winter sale, I think you should.
Very inciteful video that will make me reexplore Lis. Dice did announce the the Skybox ceiling would be adjusted for choppers (but not jets) so they cannot spam bombs and cannons from out of range of any counter measures.
Great video! One thing no one ever mentions though is, there's more than ONE player on each team. Teamwork is essential! You're correct...ONE Rao isn't gonna get it done, but 4 or 5 Raos spread across the map have a much better chance. The same goes for 4 or 5 Liz's.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the video! Definitely! We need a variety of specialist not just a team of all one. But as a pilot I've noticed when I'm on a good run more people are busting out Rao than playing Lis and I think that's because his strategy is easier.
awesome video man, very thorough. I'm also really happy to see that people are making guides to this game. Goes on to show that more people are starting to play 2042
I've been playing since the beta and despite the terrible release, I always found myself having fun with the game. I am happy that people are giving it a chance, it really is a much better game that it was.
THANK YOU for this video. I used to use lis and her launcher as a ground vehicle weapon and didn’t have much luck so I switched to the M5. But after this video, with an anti-aircraft focus, I was droppin choppers left and right!! It’s so satisfying landing the perfect missile too. Again THANK YOU.
Hey Dan! It's funny to stumble across your video. Clicked the thumbnail because I have had the exact same issue and after specializing Rao (took damn long) it felt more and more useless because pilots became better. This explains your chart!! Been playing few weeks as Lis and my anti air success quickly rose. Thank you for confirming my idea it's all going better lately. Keep up the great content. 🤞
Very glad to hear! I really hope I have managed to convince a few people to switch over to her and try her out. It's also super satisfying to snipe those choppers with the TGM! Thanks for the comment, I really appreciate it!
Rao's strength is shutting down the attack of vehicles. Once hacked they can't fire, which includes the passenger weapons (MAVs and other 4 seat weapon station vehicles are crippled when hit by Rao, so he works well in combination with C4 rushing armor or even making them panick and throwing mines behind them.
He is definitely effective at shutting down those really tanky vehicles! As I mentioned in the appendix, shutting those vehicles out with Rao is the only thing an individual can do about them. Since killing them requires a team effort.
A great tip you forgot to mention is for PC players and the sensitivity settings. The missile is tied to your vehicle moving sensitivity, if the sensitivity is low, it'll be a lot harder to maneuver the missile in the air.
I think you can also change this on consoles, but it must have a limit. I've not played around with the sensitivity, but I would find one that will work for you and then practice. If we keep switching the sensitivity, you'll never get used to the Lissiles.
woah, amazing video, very deep but accurate. Dont use your headphone mic for recording tho! If you had a decent mic setup then i bet the quality of this entire video would have been twice as high! You have already done the hard part. you are so close!
Busted! Yeah, I made use with what I had, hopefully the content was decent enough that you could bare the garbage recording :). Thanks for the feedback.
Great explanation 👌 I actually was one of the Rao guys in the earlier state of the game, but obviously got frustrated. Definitely going to check out Liz
It's so frustrating, I'm not sure how Rao players don't just rage quit in frustration every game but if they want to keep hacking then that is completely up to them :) Lis takes time to get to grips with but once you get it, it's an absolute blast!
I've been playing with TV missiles in BF4 for a long while and I can say Liz missiles are definitely easier and more devastating. This is a great guide and as a heli main I die to TV 90% of the time lol. Experience is probably the best teacher in battlefield games
It's usually Lis missiles or being sniped by a tank. I almost never die to stingers or Rao, which was the entire reason for the guide :) Thanks for commenting!
I’ve purchased this game a while back for $~10USD on sale …… I was waiting for game updates to fix the many issues…… but it’s great to see these tips videos for characters to give me a leg up when I start playing this game shortly. Thanks man 👍💪✊🥰
Getting it for 10 dollars is definitely worth it! It's definitely improved a lot since release. I recommend trying it out and if you aren't happy with the state of the game then just wait a couple more months. They are making the game better every month. Thanks for commenting!
Hey, really enjoyed the video! Good stuff! While I don’t agree with things like unlimited flairs, or auto repair to begin with, I’m very much in line with your assessment. Still trying to get Lis down myself. Hope to see you out there!
This is a really good video. I definitely agree with all you say, but I also do something that worked well even before Lis was added. I love using the wildcat when it’s available for the defending team. I usually use the AA cannon with the anti-ground-vehicle missiles. Although I like getting kills, I discovered that I give great support to my team by damaging both air and ground vehicles enough to make them retreat. The more time they spend repairing, the less time they spent killing my teammates. There have been moments where people have got so tired of me that lots of them try to flank me to kill me with c5. I dunno, maybe I just like ground vehicles too much… I definitely love the sound the wildcat AA cannons make.
I agree the AA Tank is very good at taking out aircraft. However, what I see so often is people only using the AA missiles on them, and at that point you are just using a clunky, armoured stinger xD. The 30mm guns are AMAZING at dealing with aircraft. For some unknown reason, I have never thought about changing the AA missiles to something else to help deal with ground vehicles, I think that is something that I am definitely going to do the next time I play. Thanks for the comment and the accidental recommendation!
@@marzipandan767 Yeah, at this point it is impossible to lock AA missiles on anything. You have more chances to damage ground vehicles with missiles (and, as far as I remember, you can even lock anti-ground-vehicle missiles on air vehicles if someone marks them with a soflam). The 40 mm cannon is also good against air vehicles, but I prefer the 30 mm because it is more effective at longer distances.
Thanks for commenting! I hope you are able to put them to good use! We need more Lis players dealing with choppers, especially when the class rework comes out and vehicles see a huge buff. Happy hunting!
as someone who has over 1.3k hours as a AA player, i can tell you right now "balanced" is complete bullshit helis bully every vehicle in the game including AA the very thing made to counter them, a fairly decent little bird or stealth pilot will shit on even the most experienced wildcat drivers and crews as long as they keep moving, the ability to flair as often as they do and the window of protection means that unless the pilot is a complete idiot and just sitting there then there is no such thing as "over extended" couple that with the fact that on most maps the aircraft have a crazy flight ceiling, they are 100% out of range for anything to hit them let alone make you a threat this makes 80% of the AA useless most of the time and your far more effective in an actual game running AT Missiles and grenades so you can poke other vehicles and deter them, which by the way unless the driver is fearless a double strike from the aa makes you way scarier to tanks and Transports then the very aircraft you're supposed to be countering because the AA missiles and Flack are completely useless unless a heli pilot is either stupid or sitting on top of you. In the current balance Jets and Helis Reliably dominate every leader board in almost every game i play on a daily bey massive of margins upward of 50-100 kills while in most games staying below or at a single death, This very fact let's most people visibly see through raw stats that the helis are way to strong.
Same here , lol when your on a flag and your the only one and a tank is there trying to take it you sneak the get close and you hack if it stays there you C5 it poof it's gone , or if you in a open field and you see a vehicle you hack it them use soflam it usually panics and runs away , I usually use emp nades also and 95% of the time use soflam but lately been using C5 depending on how I feel like playing
Has nothing to do with that. Not only BF2042 is trash, but also the physics on the helicopter. The helicopter is making maneuvers like a toy helicopter, ridiculous. Go check out BF4 and BF3, this is how vehicles are suppose to fly
Interesting, I just started BF2042 on PC during the free weekend (and bought it, I tried the original open beta and hated the game but quite like it now) and started with Rao but was using him for mostly harassment on chopers so others could shoot him. Ended up switching to Lis later in the weekend and realized her TGM was the ultimate AA weapon with only the very best/observant pilots being able to counter (aka, they have to skilled and paying attention). I honestly don't see anyone else using her for that, most appear to be just taking the Stinger and hoping they can get at least one hit in. Great video laying all of this out, and it feels great clearing the sky and then watching teammates take advantage of it.
I'm glad you have saw the light! The stinger is very underwhelming and the sooner that people realize that Lis is the superior option for aircraft the better. Glad to have you back to battlefield! Hope to see you out there!
BF3/4 has taught me that almost no amount of stinger spam or lockons will work against a good heli pilot, and the good heli pilots are the ones farming every match. It’s why I found the most effective way to deal with them was getting good at tank/TOW sniping them or getting good with the AA-LAV’s guns specifically. Same applied to 2042, and now it’s even easier thanks to Lis missiles.
Yep! It's still crazy to me how many people only resort to AA missiles and then become so enraged when they find no success. I don't understand why they expect these low skill methods to work... That being said, I do think more manual skill based AA weapons into the game. More stationary AA turrets on key points, perhaps?
In a way, Rao's hacking deals with choppers but in a non-lethal way. More so you are denying the pilot the ability to be effective. If you're constantly hacking the same pilot, you pressure him to escape or get blown out of the sky. In general yes, the Lis is the most effective for straight-up killing vehicles but Rao's ability definitely has great utility in dealing with vehicles just requires more teamwork.
Rao has a different place after 3.2. I think more people should be hacking just for that soflam effect. But now, especially with her buffs, there is no reason not to use Lis to deal with choppers. Hitting them is much easier than before, and choppers take longer to respawn, so you get an even longer break from air harassment. If you are playing as a recon, then I would 100 percent play Rao. He is the best choice, in my opinion. He definitely has his usefulness since 3.2.
Great video! Really well made. Liz in the right hands can be OP, just like good heli pilots. If more people pick Liz vehicles would be way less annoying. Her missile is so fun!
I think it's also good to keep in mind the mental factor of pelting a vehicle with missiles constantly, whether they hit or miss, if the driver or pilot has to deal with them in any way, it can make them more stressed, and eventually they might slip up and make a fatal mistake. Even the best vehicle players aren't immune to biology
Exactly! As a good pilot keeps harassing a team, they always attract more attention and that can become overwhelming. I've definitely hit some really good pilots with Lis missiles only after they have been getting absolutely swarmed by my team.
When I wrote the script they hadn't been introduced. They are very effective against aircraft, but thankfully struggle a lot if you are on top of them. I think pilots are just going to need to keep their presence in their mind more and the jets are going to need to focus them more.
It's crazy how many people don't know. And it's not their fault, Dice doesn't exactly make these instructions easy to find or provide clear guides on specialists.
This Rao logic only applies if you're the only player to be trying to take down the chopper. The more destruction that pilot inflicts, the more players will try to get a lock on with a stinger. This means the pilot will have to deploy flares and/or remove himself from the 'farming ground' more regularly. They will also have to deal with Sundance's Anti vehicle grenades which require flares to shake them off the lock. Rao's interference is the best way to keep the pilot distracted and minimise his damage
I hope that Lissiles are in the next one too, I know a lot of the fanbase absolutely hates the TGM, but I honestly think it's pretty balanced and I am saying that as someone who uses it, flies choppers and jets and frequently uses vehicles. I do have a feeling that they will be cut from the game...
As a returning player, good video. This new Lis character looks fun, especially for those of us old enough to know the days of using the NCs phoenix rockets in planetside.. Thing is though, Rao was never about being the guy to actually get the kill on the choppers and the people who equipped him with a stinger were always doing it wrong from the start. He was always about creating no fly zones and he does that in spades. After they buffed his hack speed, one good Rao player can keep multiple choppers chain hacked in an area and just frustrate the living crap out of most pilots till they throw in the towel. In my experience it's incredibly rare to encounter a pilot good enough to really focus on and harass that Rao player locking an area down and even if they do get the ground kill, hes respawned seconds later and is right back to hacking again. Of course all of this only really applies to breakthrough where you even have real regions to create no fly zones that count in the first place. It's pretty much pointless on conquest where pilots have the option to just go fly off and farm people somewhere else if a Rao shows up..luckily I gave up on conquest years ago so Raos still plenty fun for me to play when I want to do something different.
I think I get a very different experience to most people because I mostly play conquest. I can see a Rao being more annoying in the tighter game area of breakthrough, but I still think that just taking the chopper with out is the better solution. Thanks for commenting! I appreciate it!
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Finally somebody with a common sense explanation on how BF works. You cant keep dumbing the game down so you can win every battle. Practice with differnt characters. This isnt COD. You got a new sub my friend.
I'm glad you enjoyed it! I definitely think there are way too many BF players who claim something is overpowered before ever even trying to figure out an actual solution to it. Battlefield is a game with lots of variety and choice, limiting yourself to one thing and expecting it to beat everything isn't going to happen. Thanks for subbing! I appreciate it!
A good squad combo for those transport aircrafts is to combine Rao and Lys together, takes them down quite faster. Essentially wait when it is in hover mode, the squadmate playing Rao wants to do a first hack to bait the pilot in using his counter measures. At the same time, coordinate with the player who is Lys to shoot one of her missiles for the first hit. Then Rao shoots his stinger, then hacks again and repeat. If your squad is really dedicated to obliviated these things, two stingers + Lys is OP, on the transports as per his table, stinger dmg is 37 (x2 = 74) + Lys missile 27 = 101%dmg ...that thing going down fast in three consecutive shots
That definitely sounds like a good combo! Provided the transport doesn't get away after the Rao hack then it sounds like you've got yourself a downed chopper :) thanks for commenting!
thanks, great vid. Lately I was using Rao with SOFLAM and this with a good team actually works, but not every time and you depend on others to fire rockets
Liz' rocket still needs to be buffed against air transport because not only do they have repair ability but also 2 passengers can repair not to mention that in jan when the class system comes back all engineer class will have the repair tool without giving up an equipment slot. Then on top of that you have the weapons and with liz being immobilized you are now and easier target. So the rocket damage needs to be buffed or her time to generate another rocket needs to decrease. Or they need to bring back vehicle hit boxes and make going for harder to hit spots worth it. Nothing worse than getting 2 solid hits on the transport only to have it still sitting on top of you like nothing happened.
I think a better fix would be to reduce the effectiveness of the repair tool in the transport choppers. The problem with buffing the rocket damage against them is that the transports are really easy to hit with Lis missiles, and especially with the condor they are hard to dodge. They will need to do something before the class rework otherwise they are going to be crazy good... Thanks for commenting!
I could not agree with you more. Liz is fun but takes a lot of time to get good at with her missiles. Being able to shoot without line of sight, save you from being noticed and surprises the enemy quite often, but also that takes a lot of practise. Great video!
My biggest complaint about anti-air and anti-vehicle munitions, is that you just don't spawn with enough to kill anything. Like you said, even with Liz, it would take four missiles to drop the Condor. And you spawn of what? Two missiles, three?
I think the argument with condors and hinds is that in order to be a hassle they require team effort, which in turn should require a team effort to solve. I think that the hind especially is very strong, it is very maneuverable and with a squad in it they can be almost unkillable. I think they need to look at the repair rate of passengers with the repair tool. As I mentioned in the appendix if your team isn't helping you deal with the transports then Rao might be the best option. Hacks are very frustrating, and even more so when it effects 4 people instead of 1. You start with 2 Lis missiles. I doubt as an individual Lis you would ever take out a transport with 4 missiles, they would definitely repair between hits and then if they have passengers repairing you have no chance. You need team support.
The problem is Liz’s rockets are literally almost impossible to use on console. It’s so sluggish and unresponsive to use with analog sticks it’s unusable against choppers
Nice video and I think you're spot on in your assessments of each character. When it comes to which one to choose I think it comes down to what your focus is on during the match. If your focus is to capture objectives I think Rao would be the better choice for the exact reason you mentioned. He forces the choppers off the capture point to their safe spot, denying the enemy air support during their capture attempt,where Liz would have a hard time hitting a chopper at such a close range. If your focus is to just keep the choppers out of the sky then Liz is the better choice. I think the ideal mix is to have a bit of both where the Raos would force the choppers into their safe spot and the Lizs would then take advantage of their vulnerable position.
I definitely think that a balance of specialist is more beneficial than everyone playing just one. Personally I find myself playing the objective as Lis all of the time as well as clearing the skies. I find that Rao players would be the ones spending a lot of the game focusing on the skies and unable to play the objectives since the choppers are not dealt with and you need to keep refocusing upon them. But you should absolutely play whoever you want :)
The problem with the TV missile on console is you can't turn it. Even if you become really good at steering it, you can't turn it like you can on PC. For comparison, on pc I've seen people turn the missile in several 360 loops, while on console, you're lucky to turn it 180 degrees before the timer runs out, even with maxed out vehicle sensitivity.
I've not played with them on the controller so I can't really relate. Hopefully Dice will balance it across consoles and PC so it is more consistent between the two.
@@marzipandan767 I don't think that's possible. There is a max for sensitivity with a controller, while you can change the speed of the mouse outisde the game to increase sens in-game.
@@Rubycore I am afraid I can't compare. I don't particularly have high mouse settings and haven't touched my vehicle sensitivity, but I've never used a controller so have no reference point there. Sorry.
i think players should be rewarded for having good skills, like heli players but not completely invincible. Stinger/laser M5 are good until the pilots know where to hide, timing flares and hunt the source. Lis has always been the superior way in dealing with vehicles, with very high skill ceiling, almost as high as heli, one can even shoot down sundance providing enough practice. current antivehicle meta is Lis+Rosch+spawn beacon/med kit, stay in high vantage point, beaming every single vehicle.
Really good video mate, really informative! For saying I hit level S008 the other day and use Lis a lot I had no idea that jet's nightbirds and stealth helicopters were 1 hit kills
Glad you liked the video, thanks for commenting! Oh yeah, it's absolutely the best way to deal with them! Once you get good at hitting them, sniping them is so much fun!
Rao and Liz combo can be good, Rao force them to use flares and when retreating Liz use the TV missile on them(no matter the name it have, for me will be always TV missile)
Thanks for the video. I was using Rao but coming up against really skilled pilots. Now I use Lis. I usually wait until a couple other players have damaged the aircraft/ground vehicles and then go in for the last shot when they're trying to escape. I've always sucked at flying so atleast there's something else I can try master.
Thanks for the comment! I'm glad you enjoyed it. Yeah the method you described works very well with Lis especially with her perk highlighting damaged vehicles, it makes her very good at dealing with damaged vehicles.
I'm so glad you made this video, Rao is so annoying to me as a pilot BECAUSE his combo is useless, it's like the Rao is just wasting both of our time's. I've recently started playing Lis and am starting to get good after figuring out how her controls work. I disagree with your tip to exit the missile after a miss though, I've gotten some kills on the turnaround before. If you're in a relatively safe place then turn it around, you might get the hit.
This is 100% why I created the video xD Rao is so annoying and I feel bad that he's wasting his time and mine. I think maybe because I use the boost all the time, it's almost never worth it for me. I bet they are some sick shots if you can get success with turning it around!
Very well explained, good organization, and good conceptualization. Edit: this feels like "Perun" (Russo-Ukrainian War UA-camr) style of content in terms of delivery, organization, and statistical examples. Might be a standard to shoot for.
Very glad that you enjoyed it! I can't promise all of my content will be of this quality, but I do have some ideas for similar content, whether they will pan out or not well see :D. Otherwise I'll be continuing with livestreaming :)
Can't believe it took me this long to realize this. I knew Liz had a tow missile but I ignored it. I was a pro in bf4 with LAV Tow missles. I'd regularly get accused of hacking from pilots bc they never saw the shot and they would instantly die and be confused. Def going to check her out now, I agree this is 100% the best way to deal with choppers.
When she was first announced I figured that she would have a tow missile, because the idea of a TV guided missile on an infantry player sounded crazy. She is very good once you put in the time to mastering her missiles. Good hunting!
I commend this video. Even with or without the Statistics, I enjoy you saying that there is a Skill differential in a more appropriate way. RAO + FXM-33 Missile can be effective, But ineffective when a player realizes that they are being hacked, Flares and runs away. Then, You lose 1 of 2 Missiles from your Stinger Missile. Lis ~ is a good counter, as her entire existence is to take out vehicles. But requires a learning curve how or where to compensate her missile in the long run. RAO is better at Hacking GROUND vehicles. He is far superior using Hacking / C5 capability if his hacking is utilized correctly, or even Hacking and the "Now" Javelin or Recoilless Rifle. (Since the introduction of Classes, I think this might differ...) But still assists the team if you do run RAO. To be honest, I agree that LIS is far superior taking out vehicles and Air vehicles, But as an Aircraft player. I dislike the potential 1 shot kill without any countermeasures aside maneuverability. I don't mind it, But when you begin to "learn" the better ways such as her 400 Meter Limit as well understanding how or when you use the Booster. Does work. But anyway. Awesome video - Liked!
I've been using Rao with the tracer dart. Being able to let Javelins do their thing is so much fun, even if you don't get the benefit of any exp or assist currently. Lis is so good now... I think they overcompensated with the fuel and the turn radius buff... you should only get one pass at a helicopter if you can swing the missile around and around it kind of becomes too good.
Best guide I have seen about stinger versus chopper and proper combat approach/strategy (watched this when you first posted it) - keep it up. Have never and would never use Rao in anti-air combat. Angel is the better choice so you have plenty of stingers or missiles via an ammo crate placed not too close to where you will be positioned (protection from crate predators). NOTE: anyone playing as Angel should be spamming ammo crates all around the map (which very few Angels do, especially if not doing anti-air) because it slows pilots from locating anti-air positions. Load up with 4 missiles instead of 3 by immediately reloading from crate. Pilots expect anti-air to have 3 missiles. Admittedly you will waste the first shot due to flares but stay locked on the target and fire as fast as you can - you will get the kill. I speak as a long-time anti-air troll (when a pilot annoys me). My preference has always been RPG (from BF3 days) - I also enjoy trolling with a SOFLAM just to keep pilots popping flares and running for cover (and to annoy tankers). Lis and her TGM are a good approach (you have exposed my current favorite strategy since she was introduced) but I would like to see DE up to range to 700 meters and either give her 3 missiles at a time (max) or reduce the recharge time to 60 seconds (from 90 seconds). Getting the right sensitivity settings on the sticks takes time and patience/practice for each shooter. I would also like to see DE adjust the TGM parameters for the LATV - it should not take 2 TGMs to kill an LATV, especially at close range.
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it! I will let you know, as a pilot, if I see an Angel crate next to where I have been getting shot from it's usually very easy to put two and two together and focus on dealing with him, since I know he has to be close to the crate. The amount of rounds an AA player has is usually irrelevant to me since I'll be getting focused by multiple players at once. I think she is in a good spot, you wouldn't want to encourage constant random missile spam and with her missiles being able to be used on tanks too which are already in a bad spot, giving her more missiles will have an even harder effect on them.
@@marzipandan767 I agree with your pilot points, that's why I advise never be too close to the ammo crate and to keep changing location. I do enjoy going against good pilots with non-guided missiles but sometimes I do admit anti-air defeat and go to an area where the pilot is not active. Those pilots that are above the curve are there because they are good and don't make many mistakes and I respect them for their skill. With Lis, I would be happy with a little more range to get close to the chopper ceiling (don't need to get all the way to the ceiling, just close).
It's definitely very useful to get used to using the afterburner. The missiles are way too slow and easy to avoid without it. Course correcting is something you'll get better at with time. Thanks for commenting!
The thing about Rao+FXM combo is that it was the first Anti-air build that players figured out. It was used way before Season 1 even released. And it was effective back then as most pilots were yet to recognize you can react to a hack. Now it's practically a useless combo as the damage is not guaranteed and you are left with Rao having a useless gadget in his loadout. They will take it away in 3.2 anyway, people, start learning to use SOFLAM with Rao, you will help your team more if you mark hacked vehicles instead of try to deal damage to them. And, just as this video says, pick Lis if you actually want to deal with helis yourself
This is exactly correct! I remember it was the first thing I thought to try with Rao, and immediately had success with it. But after playing in choppers and watching other people getting better with aircraft it is clear that it's not an effective strategy. It will work against people who don't have as much experience flying but will fall off as people get better with the flight mechanics. Yeah, I wish in the video that I also highlighted that the 3.2 issue would also ruin the Rao + Stinger Combo. Thanks for the comment man!
There has to be a combination of easier and harder specialist. I don't think that playing as a low skill specialist is a bad thing. Teams should have a balance of all specialists. :) it wasn't intended as a roast.
The details of the specialists are really lacking. You get one line of roughly what they do and a short video that helps a little but doesn't demonstrate the intricacies. Hell even a tips screen while the games are loading in would help more than what is there!
There is something worth noting though in that Rao can hack the helicopter again before the flares are done recovering, which gives you a free hit or two on pilots that tried to get back into the action sooner. Rao can also keep the helicopter off their team even if they can't secure the kill, the pilot ends up locked in a loop of breaking cover and getting hacked until someone else comes in to shoot the heli down while it can't use flares or repair. The new cyberwarfare suite option counters this approach, but requires the pilot to give up their flares. Personally, I don't really like Lis unless I'm a transport passenger because her rockets tend to bounce or phase through vehicles. Crawford's turret makes short work of aircraft if you can get them into your crosshairs, and there's always the option of using AP bullets to whittle helicopters down with Anghel. I used to use Anghel with FXM to just spam missiles at them while moving to invalidate their cover, but they took that method away along with the Rao+FXM combo.
Whenever I get hacked I know that I need to pop flares and pull out. The optimal strategy as a Rao is to not complete the hack once you get the flares, since they'll be covered by the flares until your hack ends. I think he is much better now that his hack tags vehicles and lets Engineers lock onto them. I don't think you have to be worried about the Cyberwarefare suite in any situation, there is no way people will choose to use this over the alternative options which are much less situational compared to the Cyberwarefare suite. I don't get this issue, but I know it effects quite a few players, so I can understand why that would be frustrating. I agree Crawfords turret is pretty good against the lighter choppers, even if you cannot secure the kill because of its limited Y axis aiming, it is usually good at scaring them away. Thanks for commenting :) It really helps out!
@@marzipandan767 It's a bit more worthwhile on ground vehicles, since it also protects against EMP, but I can't say I've ever seen anyone use it. I think I might be the only person that uses the cyberwarfare suite on most of my helicopters. Giving up flares is a big deal for most pilots, especially ones that care about their passengers, but I had a 75% avoidance rate against seeker missiles even before they added below-radar and I'd rather avoid having that laser lock telling every tank and Engineer where I am. I think Cyberwarfare suite needs a pretty big buff in order for most people to even consider using it. Though I think a buff to Rao and EMP, or the addition of more sources of interference, might also make it more worthwhile.
@@GremlinSciences In most modern battlefield games when it comes to countermeasures there has always been a choice that stands above the rest that make the others not viable. How do you get such a high avoidance rate? Personally, I think flares are too valuable to give up.
I legit did not know about Lis' rocket boost. Thank you. Looking forward to trying it out. Very good and very detailed guide, you earned yourself a sub :)
I definitely got the impression that most Lis players didn't know about it or at least they weren't using it when they absolutely should. I use boost almost every time! Thanks for subbing and commenting!
The way we do it is one has a spotting scope, 2 have stingers and 1 has a ammo box. Once the scope locks on they normally dump their flares but the scope stays locked on, the others fire their stingers and the other gives ammo. Good when you play with some friends but hard to do with randoms.
I'll usually only pop flares once the warning changes from locked to missile incoming and I think pilots that are better than me all do this too. If you have a long warning with no missile fire 90% of the time it is a soflam. Also, fun fact; the soflam gives off a subtle red glint, it is sometimes hard to see but it does make you recognizable to pilots hunting for the guy who is locking them. If you are going with this tactic, I recommend having your partners changing the stingers out with the M5s since you'll get more damage from the M5 Recoilless and with the soflam locked on the M5 can lock onto them. Against really good pilots I'm not sure how much success you will have but if this is your preferred method then go for it :)
Lis's TGM missile is easy to avoid if you just barrel roll the chopper. I've had hundreds of those missiles fired at me and not a single one has ever hit me when I barrel roll. You do need to have some altitude before you roll though so you don't hit the ground, but if you do it right, they will never be able to hit you.
You probably come under the "How to deal with particularly good pilots" section xD we'll get you while you are low and waiting for your flares to recharge, or aim at you while your in a dogfight. And I bet if you are this good that you haven't been killed by a stinger in a very long time! Thanks for commenting!
There are few more amazing things that Liz can do. 1) you can kill pilot if you hit directly to cockpit, takes more practice but very usefull against transport helis. 2) there are often those little annoying snipers hidden at some high spots, or camping at some corners with dificult angles to kill them, well dealing with them with Liz is fun. 3) she is even more fun with Rorsch, i love harassing pilots with this railgun.
1) I know that all too well: ua-cam.com/video/dZHcFRH1ok4/v-deo.html :D 2) Definitely a useful thing to know! 3) Lis missile and a Rorsch is a lethal combination to anything that flies! Though you have to use the snipe variant since it's the only variant that does decent damage to them.
I just started to play with Lis and I think she's awesome. Right now it's super hard to hit choppers, but it's rather funny to take down camping snipers from behind cover ;)
If you are interested in a more up-to-date take on this as well as a some great Lis tips of his own Timeless Gamer did a really good video which can be found here: ua-cam.com/video/ASLnCPEsbLQ/v-deo.html
Amazing ty going for a new thing to master. I've just been using the m5 for 10 hrs of gameplay now. Is not bad, but lis could be way better. Just never thought of using her.
yes i always with lis he is screaming
and i hate when jets and choper shoots from the sky
I have strong appreciation for the spreadsheet comparing damage. More stats need to be on display like that. Great guide!
Glad to hear you enjoyed it! Thanks for commenting!
I agree. Interesting to see that Lis does less damage to transport helis than Stingers do - nicely shows how different gadgets are designed to interact.
@@favclassisspy9478 yeah that was definitely a surprising result. I was expecting the same if not more damage from Lis, but I guess the logic from Dice is that they are quite easy to hit with Lis missile.
Great guide bro. As a BF chopper veteran it has been a learning experience to deal with the TGM and this guide illustrates just how frustrating it can be getting one shot from a good TGM pilot. Earned a new sub. 👌
It's very satisfying dodging the TGMs. It's horrible when you can hear the missile coming but you can't see it.
I also find it super annoying getting hacked since it's just wasting both my time and the Rao's time, at least with being hit by a Lis missile I feel like they earned the kill.
Thanks for the comment and the sub, I really appreciate it!
Awesome!!! 💯👍
Were you the pilot coward who went 45 and 0 in servers ducking down behind mountains constantly? Hope not. I used to hunt them with stingers from parachute in air... Lul
It took me a while to learn that the TGM wasn't as effective against the ground vehicles. This makes a ton of sense. Great guide!
It's definitely a good call on Dice's part. Since they are so easy to hit and ground vehicles are already in a pretty weak state.
Lis missiles are still useful against them but just a little less so than the M5 recoilless.
I’m glad that ppl are making more guides/tips & tricks vids and detailed ones like yours, didn’t have much of them over the last year understandably so cuz of the state of the game but now that it’s making a comeback im starting to learn new things every day, had to learn thing over months before haha
I've definitely noticed a large resurgence of videos on BF coming up in my feed. I first I thought the algorithm was just noticing a match with the content I was putting out, but it seems like this free weekend as done great for the community. I'm glad to see the numbers up! Thanks for the comment!
Great vibe man. I know so many haters irl because of the week one reviews.. It's actually great being part of day1 version and the current state. We know 2042's all ups and downs 💪
@@cryo_vL for real 🤙🏽
@@cryo_vL and it definitely has had ups and downs XD I wish Dice (and let's be honest, mostly EA) would have just gave it another year in the oven. But I'm glad it is getting better either way.
I know everyone’s already commented this but… thank you so much. I’ve always taken an aa approach in battlefield games and have been playing as rao with an aa launcher, you’re 1000% right. At a certain point there’s nothing I could do against a skilled heli pilot, I’d hack (“what’s my password” lol) and they’d pop flares the moment before I succeed. They’d then hide behind the environment and return 3 seconds later with malice and swiftly eliminate my angry self. I always had such a hard time whenever attempting lis as an Xbox player, still figuring out the right sensitivity for it but I’ve taken down 25 vehicles in the past 2 days since finding this video. Truly perfect demonstrations and phrasing the entire video. The graphs hit home and were like a gut punch that kicked me into action. Thanks again, looking forward to future videos
Wow thanks so much for the kind words! It's great to hear that this is actually having a positive effect on the community!
I think that it's definitely not something that is obvious, using Rao just makes so much sense in the beginning, but as pilots start to get used to it, it ends up just having little effect, and I can see how that would change into players saying, 'Aircraft are so overpowered because I cannot deal with them anymore'. I'm also very glad to hear that as an Xbox player you are having success! I've heard from quite a few console players that they can't find success since controlling the missiles with a controller is too difficult. If you have any tips for them, please let them know!
How do you control the missiles with a controller stick?? It’s soo difficult 😅
I lovee when people getting more serius about battlefield
Explaining tactics and tips
Then I am absolutely glad that the youtube algorithm brought you here! Thanks for the comment!
This is the best BF guide I’ve seen on any topic…. Ever. Liked and subscribed.
Oh shush! You are too kind. Very glad you enjoyed it!
Great guide. I think that Rao suits better for disabling ground vehicles imo. Also, my rule of thumb for taking air vehicles is using some sort of marking (i.e. tracing dart, SOFLAM) and team coordination, but after watching this I'll give Lis a go one more time.
I would definitely recommend trying her out, but you need to put the time in. I think it's easy to be deterred by the lack of results early but that is what makes her so worthwhile when you can start hitting these shots. I would say I am decent with her, and I still miss shots all of the time. Some days I'll hit all of my shots and some days I can barely hit any. Good luck! Hope it goes well, thanks for commenting!
Totally agree, I run a SOFLAM, M240B & Ammo crate as angel and I feel unstoppable at times, I can mark, lay suppressive fire and revive team mates. The SOFLAM is definitely one of the greatest gadgets BF has when utilized properly.
Lis is still better for ground vehicles.
And plus 90 percent of helicopter pilots are not fast enough to escape my Rao hack I don't know what u doin
It may just be me but IMO casper's drone is better at disabling armor than Rao's hack. You can sit a considerable distance away from the vehicle and just hover above it, putting it in a stun-lock until someone finally notices your drone (which often they dont)
guides like these make battlefield easier thank you !
Very happy to hear that this is helping people out! :) Thanks!
Great video! Only counter I have is to last part where you say "The Hind and the Conder with a full squad repairing them is almost an impossible task for an individual to take care of." I don't believe that would make them OP in any way because it requires teamwork, which shouldn't be easy to combat as an individual especially in a game like Battlefield where team play should be incentivized. As someone who loves flying the support vehicles I promise you one squad of Liz's and Rao's alone is enough to constantly harass and eventually kill a good Hind and Condor pilot. Add an AA vehicle to the mix, enemy helicopters and jets, hell even that new rail gun, then the Support Vehicles feel underpowered. The complaint of vehicles being overpowered is probably the most common and annoying complaint I heard in every battlefield game. Each specialist/class and vehicle has it's pros, cons, and counters, which are easier taken care of if you work as a team.
I think my problem is that the dual passenger healing with the pilot healing is way too good. An individual absolutely cannot take them out, your team needs to come together to deal with these. Also the hind feels more maneuverable than it ought to be.
If the pilot isn't great and doesn't know when to get out of there, they aren't a problem, but a pilot who is constantly stopping and starting around the battlefield in a hind is incredibly hard to deal with. In that case I think Rao is a good option for stalling them.
Using just stingers, I have shot down 1300 aircraft. I did that working alone and mostly during the period when half my missiles went straight up into the sky due to bugs. As soon as flare times were extended, the difficulty in shooting down an aircraft with stingers increased significantly. I have found positioning to be the most principal factor in achieving kills. Harassment without kills can help your team win, but you will get few points for your effort. Working in teams is an entirely different matter. Rao, Liz, SOFLAM, M5, AA vehicle and Angel working together can own the skies.
Oh yeah you can definitely be successful with the stinger, but against those really good pilots getting a single hit is really hard, and then getting two hits one after the other is near impossible.
Did they extend the flare duration, or did they just animate it? I do recall that close to release once a chopper popped it's flares you couldn't lock onto it for a short duration, your stinger just wouldn't lock, and then in some patch they added an animation of the flares continuing to stream out until you could lock on.
Yeah, I do find that using the stinger is thankless work if you are unable to get kills :( It's partly the reason I moved to using Lis since I was having much more success taking out choppers.
Thanks for the comment!
And plus 90 percent of helicopter pilots are not fast enough to escape my Rao hack I don't know what u doin
@@keithtwizzy2700 they dont need to escape immediately, just need press flare, pretty much out time your hack and would be far away already.
This is a good explanation of Rao’s ability and how he works when attempting to take down a heli. I do find that not all pilots are as good as this and I also find Rao’s ability to be disable vehicles to be invaluable. Keep the great content coming! Thanks!
But when you do come across a skilled pilot he can troll you all game.
I’m going to go back and practice lis. It makes sense even a dummy can play that hacker guy
@@sko1beer yeah I have definitely spent way too long trying to take down a good pilot.
I 100% agree, there are a lot of pilots that the Rao and stinger combo will work on every time, that is partly why I think so many people still focus on using this strategy whenever they encounter a difficult pilot but the results from weaker pilots likely won't lead to results on a stronger pilot. But if you practice with Lis and get good with her missile you will be able to deal with strong and weak pilots alike.
@@marzipandan767 100% with you on the learning curve great video if i never came across this video.
i would still be trying to improve my rao game👍
Lis is my main, love using her rockets for free kills on camping snipers. My full AA build is Lis, the Rorsch, and C5. I find that the Rorsch is great to use intermittently on armor with the TGMs for both ground vehicles and support helis. Nothing like single-handedly destroying an enemy tank from afar!
Edit: one last thing, I personally very rarely use the boost function on the TGM. It's much easier to guide its trajectory without it, granted the rocket isn't shot down prior.
I just unlocked the Rorsch and it does seem fun, as a pilot I was very concerned that air vehicles would be absolutely useless with their presence, but so far it doesn't seem the case. It is definitely good to use with Lis for finishing off those attack choppers or transports. I suck with
I would strongly recommend getting used to the boost. In choppers the missiles are very easy to dodge at their default speed.
Thanks for your comment :D
Personally, I always used to roll Lis with a weapon that could hold 40mm AP grenades, which are often overlooked but very powerful. But I admit the Rorsch may be gamechanger. Me and a friend had a blast today peppering wounded aircraft and seeing which one of us could finish them off.
@@ClassyJackBF The Rorsch is so good for getting those last hits in. That sounds very fun :)
Awesome video my dude. I love the versatility of Lis's tgm. Taking out sniper campers, people on top of buildings, rangers, spawn beacons, 1 shoting trucks, the deployed turrets, defeating dozers shield and ofcourse air vehicles. Even if you aren't the best, simply harassing the pilots gets them away from farming your team for a bit
It's so good. I just needed to tell people about it. As someone who flies a lot, I rarely see people will Lis missiles targeting me, meanwhile there is an abundance of Rao players spamming their hack to no avail. Hopefully this will get more people trying her out and seeing that she is a great choice when dealing with pilots! Thanks for commenting!
Haven't played for a long time and have been thinking about returning. Respect to the effort you have put into this video. I love the guided missiles after learning to use them in BF3/4 onwards. Vehicles never stood a chance with the accuracy they offer.
They were very fun in BF4, I used to play in the boats that had them all the time, and I thoroughly enjoyed hitting littlebirds and jets with them, so having an infantry unit with a portable version is very fun. I would recommend checking it out, the game certainly has gotten much better since release.
Is it worth full price? I'm not so sure, but if you can get it in a winter sale, I think you should.
Very inciteful video that will make me reexplore Lis. Dice did announce the the Skybox ceiling would be adjusted for choppers (but not jets) so they cannot spam bombs and cannons from out of range of any counter measures.
Yeah I heard! I'm very glad about this!
Great video! One thing no one ever mentions though is, there's more than ONE player on each team. Teamwork is essential! You're correct...ONE Rao isn't gonna get it done, but 4 or 5 Raos spread across the map have a much better chance. The same goes for 4 or 5 Liz's.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the video!
Definitely! We need a variety of specialist not just a team of all one. But as a pilot I've noticed when I'm on a good run more people are busting out Rao than playing Lis and I think that's because his strategy is easier.
awesome video man, very thorough. I'm also really happy to see that people are making guides to this game. Goes on to show that more people are starting to play 2042
I've been playing since the beta and despite the terrible release, I always found myself having fun with the game. I am happy that people are giving it a chance, it really is a much better game that it was.
THANK YOU for this video. I used to use lis and her launcher as a ground vehicle weapon and didn’t have much luck so I switched to the M5. But after this video, with an anti-aircraft focus, I was droppin choppers left and right!! It’s so satisfying landing the perfect missile too. Again THANK YOU.
No, thank you! We need more people who are able to smash choppers in this game!
I'm glad you have found out how satisfying it is!
Hey Dan! It's funny to stumble across your video. Clicked the thumbnail because I have had the exact same issue and after specializing Rao (took damn long) it felt more and more useless because pilots became better. This explains your chart!! Been playing few weeks as Lis and my anti air success quickly rose. Thank you for confirming my idea it's all going better lately. Keep up the great content. 🤞
Very glad to hear! I really hope I have managed to convince a few people to switch over to her and try her out. It's also super satisfying to snipe those choppers with the TGM! Thanks for the comment, I really appreciate it!
Rao's strength is shutting down the attack of vehicles. Once hacked they can't fire, which includes the passenger weapons (MAVs and other 4 seat weapon station vehicles are crippled when hit by Rao, so he works well in combination with C4 rushing armor or even making them panick and throwing mines behind them.
He is definitely effective at shutting down those really tanky vehicles! As I mentioned in the appendix, shutting those vehicles out with Rao is the only thing an individual can do about them. Since killing them requires a team effort.
Exactly: Rao is a complement/part of anti air group, and gives leeway to... lis or Wildcat to take the Choppa down.
A great tip you forgot to mention is for PC players and the sensitivity settings. The missile is tied to your vehicle moving sensitivity, if the sensitivity is low, it'll be a lot harder to maneuver the missile in the air.
I think you can also change this on consoles, but it must have a limit. I've not played around with the sensitivity, but I would find one that will work for you and then practice. If we keep switching the sensitivity, you'll never get used to the Lissiles.
woah, amazing video, very deep but accurate. Dont use your headphone mic for recording tho! If you had a decent mic setup then i bet the quality of this entire video would have been twice as high! You have already done the hard part. you are so close!
Busted! Yeah, I made use with what I had, hopefully the content was decent enough that you could bare the garbage recording :). Thanks for the feedback.
Great explanation 👌 I actually was one of the Rao guys in the earlier state of the game, but obviously got frustrated. Definitely going to check out Liz
It's so frustrating, I'm not sure how Rao players don't just rage quit in frustration every game but if they want to keep hacking then that is completely up to them :)
Lis takes time to get to grips with but once you get it, it's an absolute blast!
I've been playing with TV missiles in BF4 for a long while and I can say Liz missiles are definitely easier and more devastating. This is a great guide and as a heli main I die to TV 90% of the time lol. Experience is probably the best teacher in battlefield games
It's usually Lis missiles or being sniped by a tank. I almost never die to stingers or Rao, which was the entire reason for the guide :)
Thanks for commenting!
I’ve purchased this game a while back for $~10USD on sale …… I was waiting for game updates to fix the many issues…… but it’s great to see these tips videos for characters to give me a leg up when I start playing this game shortly. Thanks man 👍💪✊🥰
Getting it for 10 dollars is definitely worth it! It's definitely improved a lot since release. I recommend trying it out and if you aren't happy with the state of the game then just wait a couple more months. They are making the game better every month.
Thanks for commenting!
Calm, detailed info, no annoying music, no annoying intro. Great content. Sub'd.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for subbing and commenting!
Hey, really enjoyed the video! Good stuff! While I don’t agree with things like unlimited flairs, or auto repair to begin with, I’m very much in line with your assessment. Still trying to get Lis down myself. Hope to see you out there!
I do miss the BF4 days where you had to land and manually repair with the repair tool.
You will get it; it is so rewarding :D Good luck!
I watched I don’t know how many videos to get some valid liz tips and you are the first that’s really explained it well keep up the beautiful work man
This is a really good video. I definitely agree with all you say, but I also do something that worked well even before Lis was added. I love using the wildcat when it’s available for the defending team. I usually use the AA cannon with the anti-ground-vehicle missiles. Although I like getting kills, I discovered that I give great support to my team by damaging both air and ground vehicles enough to make them retreat. The more time they spend repairing, the less time they spent killing my teammates. There have been moments where people have got so tired of me that lots of them try to flank me to kill me with c5. I dunno, maybe I just like ground vehicles too much… I definitely love the sound the wildcat AA cannons make.
I agree the AA Tank is very good at taking out aircraft. However, what I see so often is people only using the AA missiles on them, and at that point you are just using a clunky, armoured stinger xD. The 30mm guns are AMAZING at dealing with aircraft.
For some unknown reason, I have never thought about changing the AA missiles to something else to help deal with ground vehicles, I think that is something that I am definitely going to do the next time I play.
Thanks for the comment and the accidental recommendation!
@@marzipandan767 Yeah, at this point it is impossible to lock AA missiles on anything. You have more chances to damage ground vehicles with missiles (and, as far as I remember, you can even lock anti-ground-vehicle missiles on air vehicles if someone marks them with a soflam). The 40 mm cannon is also good against air vehicles, but I prefer the 30 mm because it is more effective at longer distances.
It's nice to see more people using the Wildcat in AA configuration instead of as a light tank.
Great video, this space feels pretty green in terms of guides for bf2042 so appreciate the help. Keep it up
Thanks so much! I'm glad that you enjoyed it! Thanks for commenting :)
This is the exact battlefield content I'm looking for. There are always tips that are more intricate and this really breaks it down.
Thanks for commenting! I hope you are able to put them to good use! We need more Lis players dealing with choppers, especially when the class rework comes out and vehicles see a huge buff.
Happy hunting!
as someone who has over 1.3k hours as a AA player, i can tell you right now "balanced" is complete bullshit helis bully every vehicle in the game including AA the very thing made to counter them, a fairly decent little bird or stealth pilot will shit on even the most experienced wildcat drivers and crews as long as they keep moving, the ability to flair as often as they do and the window of protection means that unless the pilot is a complete idiot and just sitting there then there is no such thing as "over extended" couple that with the fact that on most maps the aircraft have a crazy flight ceiling, they are 100% out of range for anything to hit them let alone make you a threat this makes 80% of the AA useless most of the time and your far more effective in an actual game running AT Missiles and grenades so you can poke other vehicles and deter them, which by the way unless the driver is fearless a double strike from the aa makes you way scarier to tanks and Transports then the very aircraft you're supposed to be countering because the AA missiles and Flack are completely useless unless a heli pilot is either stupid or sitting on top of you. In the current balance Jets and Helis Reliably dominate every leader board in almost every game i play on a daily bey massive of margins upward of 50-100 kills while in most games staying below or at a single death, This very fact let's most people visibly see through raw stats that the helis are way to strong.
Very solid points concisely put with great tips. great job!
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!
His ability has saved me more times than I can count
How
Same here , lol when your on a flag and your the only one and a tank is there trying to take it you sneak the get close and you hack if it stays there you C5 it poof it's gone , or if you in a open field and you see a vehicle you hack it them use soflam it usually panics and runs away , I usually use emp nades also and 95% of the time use soflam but lately been using C5 depending on how I feel like playing
I love playing Rao and NOT using the Stinger because hacking them and sending them running is hilarious and still gives your team a brief respite.
Oh no people with skills. Let's nerf that.
Has nothing to do with that. Not only BF2042 is trash, but also the physics on the helicopter. The helicopter is making maneuvers like a toy helicopter, ridiculous. Go check out BF4 and BF3, this is how vehicles are suppose to fly
The rest of the match has to suffer because 2/3 nerds that have never fired a gun in game no life choppers, skill or not it sucks
Interesting, I just started BF2042 on PC during the free weekend (and bought it, I tried the original open beta and hated the game but quite like it now) and started with Rao but was using him for mostly harassment on chopers so others could shoot him. Ended up switching to Lis later in the weekend and realized her TGM was the ultimate AA weapon with only the very best/observant pilots being able to counter (aka, they have to skilled and paying attention). I honestly don't see anyone else using her for that, most appear to be just taking the Stinger and hoping they can get at least one hit in. Great video laying all of this out, and it feels great clearing the sky and then watching teammates take advantage of it.
I'm glad you have saw the light! The stinger is very underwhelming and the sooner that people realize that Lis is the superior option for aircraft the better. Glad to have you back to battlefield! Hope to see you out there!
This is amazing and needs more attention. Thank you.
Thanks so much for the comment! I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
BF3/4 has taught me that almost no amount of stinger spam or lockons will work against a good heli pilot, and the good heli pilots are the ones farming every match.
It’s why I found the most effective way to deal with them was getting good at tank/TOW sniping them or getting good with the AA-LAV’s guns specifically.
Same applied to 2042, and now it’s even easier thanks to Lis missiles.
Yep! It's still crazy to me how many people only resort to AA missiles and then become so enraged when they find no success. I don't understand why they expect these low skill methods to work...
That being said, I do think more manual skill based AA weapons into the game. More stationary AA turrets on key points, perhaps?
Awesome video. The tips, gameplay, diagrams, etc. Subbed!
Thanks! Very glad you enjoyed it!
In a way, Rao's hacking deals with choppers but in a non-lethal way. More so you are denying the pilot the ability to be effective. If you're constantly hacking the same pilot, you pressure him to escape or get blown out of the sky. In general yes, the Lis is the most effective for straight-up killing vehicles but Rao's ability definitely has great utility in dealing with vehicles just requires more teamwork.
Rao has a different place after 3.2. I think more people should be hacking just for that soflam effect.
But now, especially with her buffs, there is no reason not to use Lis to deal with choppers. Hitting them is much easier than before, and choppers take longer to respawn, so you get an even longer break from air harassment.
If you are playing as a recon, then I would 100 percent play Rao. He is the best choice, in my opinion. He definitely has his usefulness since 3.2.
Great video! Really well made.
Liz in the right hands can be OP, just like good heli pilots. If more people pick Liz vehicles would be way less annoying. Her missile is so fun!
Thanks! I'm glad you liked it!
I know right! It's about practicing until you can make the tool do what you want it to do. Thanks for commenting!
The Best BF2042 Video of this year .. I hope people learn the lesson .. Thanks for the Video.
Wow that is high praise! Thanks so much for commenting! Very happy you enjoyed it!
@@marzipandan767 No worries,. Just been sincerely 👍🤘 I know how many hour and work you have to do for making a video like this one..
I think it's also good to keep in mind the mental factor of pelting a vehicle with missiles constantly, whether they hit or miss, if the driver or pilot has to deal with them in any way, it can make them more stressed, and eventually they might slip up and make a fatal mistake. Even the best vehicle players aren't immune to biology
Exactly! As a good pilot keeps harassing a team, they always attract more attention and that can become overwhelming. I've definitely hit some really good pilots with Lis missiles only after they have been getting absolutely swarmed by my team.
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When I wrote the script they hadn't been introduced. They are very effective against aircraft, but thankfully struggle a lot if you are on top of them. I think pilots are just going to need to keep their presence in their mind more and the jets are going to need to focus them more.
Thanks Mate! I never knew you could exit or boost the TGMs. Great guide!
It's crazy how many people don't know. And it's not their fault, Dice doesn't exactly make these instructions easy to find or provide clear guides on specialists.
This Rao logic only applies if you're the only player to be trying to take down the chopper. The more destruction that pilot inflicts, the more players will try to get a lock on with a stinger. This means the pilot will have to deploy flares and/or remove himself from the 'farming ground' more regularly. They will also have to deal with Sundance's Anti vehicle grenades which require flares to shake them off the lock. Rao's interference is the best way to keep the pilot distracted and minimise his damage
I wish those rockets will be in a next bf. It's gonna be in a modern setting
I hope that Lissiles are in the next one too, I know a lot of the fanbase absolutely hates the TGM, but I honestly think it's pretty balanced and I am saying that as someone who uses it, flies choppers and jets and frequently uses vehicles.
I do have a feeling that they will be cut from the game...
As a returning player, good video. This new Lis character looks fun, especially for those of us old enough to know the days of using the NCs phoenix rockets in planetside.. Thing is though, Rao was never about being the guy to actually get the kill on the choppers and the people who equipped him with a stinger were always doing it wrong from the start. He was always about creating no fly zones and he does that in spades. After they buffed his hack speed, one good Rao player can keep multiple choppers chain hacked in an area and just frustrate the living crap out of most pilots till they throw in the towel. In my experience it's incredibly rare to encounter a pilot good enough to really focus on and harass that Rao player locking an area down and even if they do get the ground kill, hes respawned seconds later and is right back to hacking again. Of course all of this only really applies to breakthrough where you even have real regions to create no fly zones that count in the first place. It's pretty much pointless on conquest where pilots have the option to just go fly off and farm people somewhere else if a Rao shows up..luckily I gave up on conquest years ago so Raos still plenty fun for me to play when I want to do something different.
I think I get a very different experience to most people because I mostly play conquest.
I can see a Rao being more annoying in the tighter game area of breakthrough, but I still think that just taking the chopper with out is the better solution.
Thanks for commenting! I appreciate it!
Fantastic tutorial hope you keep these videos coming to the community needs reliable videos like this. Great work
Thanks man! I really appreciate your comments! I'll keep it up, right now I'm just trying to get some good footage for what I want to do next xD
@@marzipandan767 Hey! I can't stress enough how much I enjoy your channel - it's fantastic! 😍 I'm genuinely excited to help you get the top-tier content you're aiming for! 🎯 By the way, I tried to find you on other social media platforms but only came across your Twitch account. 🕵♂ I'd highly recommend filling out the "About" page on your UA-cam channel to make it easier for fans like me to connect with you elsewhere! 🌐 Keep up the incredible work, and I can't wait to see the epic footage you'll create next! 📽🌟
@@aberbear Thanks for the kind words :) I'm not sure that what you found is my Twitter page, I don't have twitter xD I don't really do social media a whole lot... I'll probably just keep it all here on youtube.
Finally somebody with a common sense explanation on how BF works. You cant keep dumbing the game down
so you can win every battle. Practice with differnt characters. This isnt COD. You got a new sub my friend.
I'm glad you enjoyed it! I definitely think there are way too many BF players who claim something is overpowered before ever even trying to figure out an actual solution to it. Battlefield is a game with lots of variety and choice, limiting yourself to one thing and expecting it to beat everything isn't going to happen.
Thanks for subbing! I appreciate it!
A good squad combo for those transport aircrafts is to combine Rao and Lys together, takes them down quite faster. Essentially wait when it is in hover mode, the squadmate playing Rao wants to do a first hack to bait the pilot in using his counter measures. At the same time, coordinate with the player who is Lys to shoot one of her missiles for the first hit. Then Rao shoots his stinger, then hacks again and repeat. If your squad is really dedicated to obliviated these things, two stingers + Lys is OP, on the transports as per his table, stinger dmg is 37 (x2 = 74) + Lys missile 27 = 101%dmg ...that thing going down fast in three consecutive shots
That definitely sounds like a good combo! Provided the transport doesn't get away after the Rao hack then it sounds like you've got yourself a downed chopper :) thanks for commenting!
thanks, great vid.
Lately I was using Rao with SOFLAM and this with a good team actually works, but not every time and you depend on others to fire rockets
Liz' rocket still needs to be buffed against air transport because not only do they have repair ability but also 2 passengers can repair not to mention that in jan when the class system comes back all engineer class will have the repair tool without giving up an equipment slot. Then on top of that you have the weapons and with liz being immobilized you are now and easier target. So the rocket damage needs to be buffed or her time to generate another rocket needs to decrease. Or they need to bring back vehicle hit boxes and make going for harder to hit spots worth it. Nothing worse than getting 2 solid hits on the transport only to have it still sitting on top of you like nothing happened.
I think a better fix would be to reduce the effectiveness of the repair tool in the transport choppers. The problem with buffing the rocket damage against them is that the transports are really easy to hit with Lis missiles, and especially with the condor they are hard to dodge.
They will need to do something before the class rework otherwise they are going to be crazy good...
Thanks for commenting!
Thanks for the advice. Lis is a bit frustrating at first but I've gotten better
I would strongly recommend her! It takes time but the reward for your time investment is a really fun and satisfying way to deal with choppers.
Put this into practice last night. It’s great advice.
Nice! Welcome to the Lis club. We are a pilots worst nightmare!
I could not agree with you more. Liz is fun but takes a lot of time to get good at with her missiles. Being able to shoot without line of sight, save you from being noticed and surprises the enemy quite often, but also that takes a lot of practise. Great video!
It's definitely worth the effort, in my opinion :) it's so satisfying.
Thanks for commenting!
Really enjoy your BF content, look forward to what you have next.
Thanks man! I'm looking forward to it to xD I hope it's good!
My biggest complaint about anti-air and anti-vehicle munitions, is that you just don't spawn with enough to kill anything. Like you said, even with Liz, it would take four missiles to drop the Condor. And you spawn of what? Two missiles, three?
I think the argument with condors and hinds is that in order to be a hassle they require team effort, which in turn should require a team effort to solve. I think that the hind especially is very strong, it is very maneuverable and with a squad in it they can be almost unkillable. I think they need to look at the repair rate of passengers with the repair tool. As I mentioned in the appendix if your team isn't helping you deal with the transports then Rao might be the best option. Hacks are very frustrating, and even more so when it effects 4 people instead of 1.
You start with 2 Lis missiles. I doubt as an individual Lis you would ever take out a transport with 4 missiles, they would definitely repair between hits and then if they have passengers repairing you have no chance. You need team support.
I frequently won't even try damaging a MAV if it is at full health, since they are so tanky it's not worth my time...
The problem is Liz’s rockets are literally almost impossible to use on console. It’s so sluggish and unresponsive to use with analog sticks it’s unusable against choppers
Just found the channel after getting back into 2042 and found these vids to be incredibly helpful!
Glad to have you back :)
I appreciate your support!
Nice video and I think you're spot on in your assessments of each character. When it comes to which one to choose I think it comes down to what your focus is on during the match. If your focus is to capture objectives I think Rao would be the better choice for the exact reason you mentioned. He forces the choppers off the capture point to their safe spot, denying the enemy air support during their capture attempt,where Liz would have a hard time hitting a chopper at such a close range. If your focus is to just keep the choppers out of the sky then Liz is the better choice. I think the ideal mix is to have a bit of both where the Raos would force the choppers into their safe spot and the Lizs would then take advantage of their vulnerable position.
I definitely think that a balance of specialist is more beneficial than everyone playing just one. Personally I find myself playing the objective as Lis all of the time as well as clearing the skies. I find that Rao players would be the ones spending a lot of the game focusing on the skies and unable to play the objectives since the choppers are not dealt with and you need to keep refocusing upon them.
But you should absolutely play whoever you want :)
This is REALLY helpful info. I did not realize Lis is so good for this! I've taken down so many choppers now 😁😁
And above all its so fun and satisfying to hit with it! I'm glad you are enjoying her! Keep up the good work!
The problem with the TV missile on console is you can't turn it. Even if you become really good at steering it, you can't turn it like you can on PC. For comparison, on pc I've seen people turn the missile in several 360 loops, while on console, you're lucky to turn it 180 degrees before the timer runs out, even with maxed out vehicle sensitivity.
I've not played with them on the controller so I can't really relate. Hopefully Dice will balance it across consoles and PC so it is more consistent between the two.
@@marzipandan767 I don't think that's possible. There is a max for sensitivity with a controller, while you can change the speed of the mouse outisde the game to increase sens in-game.
@@Rubycore I am afraid I can't compare. I don't particularly have high mouse settings and haven't touched my vehicle sensitivity, but I've never used a controller so have no reference point there. Sorry.
I completely agree, another point, rock a m5 for some of the best trickshots and kills on chopper pushing the safety distance limit.
I've definitely been victim to M5 trick shots, so I have to agree with you there.
i think players should be rewarded for having good skills, like heli players but not completely invincible. Stinger/laser M5 are good until the pilots know where to hide, timing flares and hunt the source. Lis has always been the superior way in dealing with vehicles, with very high skill ceiling, almost as high as heli, one can even shoot down sundance providing enough practice. current antivehicle meta is Lis+Rosch+spawn beacon/med kit, stay in high vantage point, beaming every single vehicle.
Really good video mate, really informative! For saying I hit level S008 the other day and use Lis a lot I had no idea that jet's nightbirds and stealth helicopters were 1 hit kills
Glad you liked the video, thanks for commenting! Oh yeah, it's absolutely the best way to deal with them! Once you get good at hitting them, sniping them is so much fun!
Rao and Liz combo can be good, Rao force them to use flares and when retreating Liz use the TV missile on them(no matter the name it have, for me will be always TV missile)
Definitely! More variety in specialists will always be a good thing! Thanks for the comment!
Thanks for the video. I was using Rao but coming up against really skilled pilots. Now I use Lis. I usually wait until a couple other players have damaged the aircraft/ground vehicles and then go in for the last shot when they're trying to escape. I've always sucked at flying so atleast there's something else I can try master.
Thanks for the comment! I'm glad you enjoyed it. Yeah the method you described works very well with Lis especially with her perk highlighting damaged vehicles, it makes her very good at dealing with damaged vehicles.
I'm so glad you made this video, Rao is so annoying to me as a pilot BECAUSE his combo is useless, it's like the Rao is just wasting both of our time's. I've recently started playing Lis and am starting to get good after figuring out how her controls work. I disagree with your tip to exit the missile after a miss though, I've gotten some kills on the turnaround before. If you're in a relatively safe place then turn it around, you might get the hit.
This is 100% why I created the video xD Rao is so annoying and I feel bad that he's wasting his time and mine.
I think maybe because I use the boost all the time, it's almost never worth it for me. I bet they are some sick shots if you can get success with turning it around!
Liss missile is hard to hit, but when you finally get it, is so satisfying
I completely agree! It really is the most satisfying thing in the game to deal with a 60/0 chopper farmer by nailing them with a Lissile.
Awesome guide bro. Your break down of and strategies will be a great help to me. I am subscribed now.
Very happy that you enjoyed it! Thanks for commenting and subscribing!
I did not know you could give Lis' missiles a boost while in flight! Nice TY!
It makes her so much better! Trust me, once you get a feel for it with boost on, you'll be swatting choppers like flies!
Very well explained, good organization, and good conceptualization. Edit: this feels like "Perun" (Russo-Ukrainian War UA-camr) style of content in terms of delivery, organization, and statistical examples. Might be a standard to shoot for.
Very glad that you enjoyed it! I can't promise all of my content will be of this quality, but I do have some ideas for similar content, whether they will pan out or not well see :D. Otherwise I'll be continuing with livestreaming :)
Can't believe it took me this long to realize this. I knew Liz had a tow missile but I ignored it. I was a pro in bf4 with LAV Tow missles. I'd regularly get accused of hacking from pilots bc they never saw the shot and they would instantly die and be confused. Def going to check her out now, I agree this is 100% the best way to deal with choppers.
When she was first announced I figured that she would have a tow missile, because the idea of a TV guided missile on an infantry player sounded crazy. She is very good once you put in the time to mastering her missiles. Good hunting!
sniping choppers with the liz rockets has to be my favorite thing in the game specifically the one shot choppers 😭
Keeping those Nightbird and Stealth players down is an absolute service! Thanks for your work :)
I commend this video.
Even with or without the Statistics, I enjoy you saying that there is a Skill differential in a more appropriate way. RAO + FXM-33 Missile can be effective, But ineffective when a player realizes that they are being hacked, Flares and runs away. Then, You lose 1 of 2 Missiles from your Stinger Missile.
Lis ~ is a good counter, as her entire existence is to take out vehicles. But requires a learning curve how or where to compensate her missile in the long run.
RAO is better at Hacking GROUND vehicles. He is far superior using Hacking / C5 capability if his hacking is utilized correctly, or even Hacking and the "Now" Javelin or Recoilless Rifle.
(Since the introduction of Classes, I think this might differ...) But still assists the team if you do run RAO.
To be honest, I agree that LIS is far superior taking out vehicles and Air vehicles, But as an Aircraft player. I dislike the potential 1 shot kill without any countermeasures aside maneuverability.
I don't mind it, But when you begin to "learn" the better ways such as her 400 Meter Limit as well understanding how or when you use the Booster. Does work. But anyway. Awesome video - Liked!
I've been using Rao with the tracer dart. Being able to let Javelins do their thing is so much fun, even if you don't get the benefit of any exp or assist currently.
Lis is so good now... I think they overcompensated with the fuel and the turn radius buff... you should only get one pass at a helicopter if you can swing the missile around and around it kind of becomes too good.
Loved this! Thanks for the tips.
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it! I appreciate the comment!
Using TGM to kill snipers is a added amusement gem that alone makes Lis worth playing
Especially those guys who find the highest most untouchable spot on a map and have been sitting there all game.
@@marzipandan767 Indeed Tower Berries are the best - bonus points if you hit them in the ass.
I love Liz, I brought down several Choppers and a VTOL in a single match yesterday. Fly-by-wire is super fun and I love that they replenish
It's super satisfying right! Glad to hear you are having a great time with her!
Best guide I have seen about stinger versus chopper and proper combat approach/strategy (watched this when you first posted it) - keep it up.
Have never and would never use Rao in anti-air combat. Angel is the better choice so you have plenty of stingers or missiles via an ammo crate placed not too close to where you will be positioned (protection from crate predators). NOTE: anyone playing as Angel should be spamming ammo crates all around the map (which very few Angels do, especially if not doing anti-air) because it slows pilots from locating anti-air positions. Load up with 4 missiles instead of 3 by immediately reloading from crate. Pilots expect anti-air to have 3 missiles. Admittedly you will waste the first shot due to flares but stay locked on the target and fire as fast as you can - you will get the kill. I speak as a long-time anti-air troll (when a pilot annoys me). My preference has always been RPG (from BF3 days) - I also enjoy trolling with a SOFLAM just to keep pilots popping flares and running for cover (and to annoy tankers).
Lis and her TGM are a good approach (you have exposed my current favorite strategy since she was introduced) but I would like to see DE up to range to 700 meters and either give her 3 missiles at a time (max) or reduce the recharge time to 60 seconds (from 90 seconds). Getting the right sensitivity settings on the sticks takes time and patience/practice for each shooter. I would also like to see DE adjust the TGM parameters for the LATV - it should not take 2 TGMs to kill an LATV, especially at close range.
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it!
I will let you know, as a pilot, if I see an Angel crate next to where I have been getting shot from it's usually very easy to put two and two together and focus on dealing with him, since I know he has to be close to the crate. The amount of rounds an AA player has is usually irrelevant to me since I'll be getting focused by multiple players at once.
I think she is in a good spot, you wouldn't want to encourage constant random missile spam and with her missiles being able to be used on tanks too which are already in a bad spot, giving her more missiles will have an even harder effect on them.
@@marzipandan767 I agree with your pilot points, that's why I advise never be too close to the ammo crate and to keep changing location. I do enjoy going against good pilots with non-guided missiles but sometimes I do admit anti-air defeat and go to an area where the pilot is not active. Those pilots that are above the curve are there because they are good and don't make many mistakes and I respect them for their skill.
With Lis, I would be happy with a little more range to get close to the chopper ceiling (don't need to get all the way to the ceiling, just close).
@@dennisclark1927 then you'll be happy to hear that they are reducing the chopper ceiling soon! Hopefully this will be the solution!
Cool vid. Was using Lis, but never noticed the afterburner on the missile, pretty useful. Also, was trying to course correct, which is hard
It's definitely very useful to get used to using the afterburner. The missiles are way too slow and easy to avoid without it.
Course correcting is something you'll get better at with time.
Thanks for commenting!
The thing about Rao+FXM combo is that it was the first Anti-air build that players figured out. It was used way before Season 1 even released. And it was effective back then as most pilots were yet to recognize you can react to a hack. Now it's practically a useless combo as the damage is not guaranteed and you are left with Rao having a useless gadget in his loadout. They will take it away in 3.2 anyway, people, start learning to use SOFLAM with Rao, you will help your team more if you mark hacked vehicles instead of try to deal damage to them. And, just as this video says, pick Lis if you actually want to deal with helis yourself
This is exactly correct! I remember it was the first thing I thought to try with Rao, and immediately had success with it. But after playing in choppers and watching other people getting better with aircraft it is clear that it's not an effective strategy. It will work against people who don't have as much experience flying but will fall off as people get better with the flight mechanics.
Yeah, I wish in the video that I also highlighted that the 3.2 issue would also ruin the Rao + Stinger Combo. Thanks for the comment man!
I like the subtle roasting via graph @3:00
There has to be a combination of easier and harder specialist. I don't think that playing as a low skill specialist is a bad thing. Teams should have a balance of all specialists. :) it wasn't intended as a roast.
@@marzipandan767 It was an inadvertent roast. Which are the best!
This is something Dice needs to make people aware of at the beginning of every game or add to her bio
The details of the specialists are really lacking. You get one line of roughly what they do and a short video that helps a little but doesn't demonstrate the intricacies. Hell even a tips screen while the games are loading in would help more than what is there!
Or make a weekly mission with like 30 kills of air vehicles with Liz, you will see those TV-missles flying all over the map! ;)
There is something worth noting though in that Rao can hack the helicopter again before the flares are done recovering, which gives you a free hit or two on pilots that tried to get back into the action sooner. Rao can also keep the helicopter off their team even if they can't secure the kill, the pilot ends up locked in a loop of breaking cover and getting hacked until someone else comes in to shoot the heli down while it can't use flares or repair.
The new cyberwarfare suite option counters this approach, but requires the pilot to give up their flares.
Personally, I don't really like Lis unless I'm a transport passenger because her rockets tend to bounce or phase through vehicles. Crawford's turret makes short work of aircraft if you can get them into your crosshairs, and there's always the option of using AP bullets to whittle helicopters down with Anghel. I used to use Anghel with FXM to just spam missiles at them while moving to invalidate their cover, but they took that method away along with the Rao+FXM combo.
Whenever I get hacked I know that I need to pop flares and pull out. The optimal strategy as a Rao is to not complete the hack once you get the flares, since they'll be covered by the flares until your hack ends. I think he is much better now that his hack tags vehicles and lets Engineers lock onto them.
I don't think you have to be worried about the Cyberwarefare suite in any situation, there is no way people will choose to use this over the alternative options which are much less situational compared to the Cyberwarefare suite.
I don't get this issue, but I know it effects quite a few players, so I can understand why that would be frustrating. I agree Crawfords turret is pretty good against the lighter choppers, even if you cannot secure the kill because of its limited Y axis aiming, it is usually good at scaring them away.
Thanks for commenting :) It really helps out!
@@marzipandan767 It's a bit more worthwhile on ground vehicles, since it also protects against EMP, but I can't say I've ever seen anyone use it. I think I might be the only person that uses the cyberwarfare suite on most of my helicopters. Giving up flares is a big deal for most pilots, especially ones that care about their passengers, but I had a 75% avoidance rate against seeker missiles even before they added below-radar and I'd rather avoid having that laser lock telling every tank and Engineer where I am.
I think Cyberwarfare suite needs a pretty big buff in order for most people to even consider using it. Though I think a buff to Rao and EMP, or the addition of more sources of interference, might also make it more worthwhile.
@@GremlinSciences In most modern battlefield games when it comes to countermeasures there has always been a choice that stands above the rest that make the others not viable. How do you get such a high avoidance rate?
Personally, I think flares are too valuable to give up.
Great guide, I'm really excited to give this a try now! So sick of being farmed by those Hurons.
The stealths are really quite easy to hit with the Lis missile these days. Let me know how it works for you :D
Happy hunting!
That's a great video. I hope you keep it up!
Thanks man! Glad you enjoyed it!
low quality video, but high quality content, love it
Thanks for the feedback 😆 next one I hope to up the audio quality, which I am definitely not happy with.
I legit did not know about Lis' rocket boost. Thank you. Looking forward to trying it out. Very good and very detailed guide, you earned yourself a sub :)
I definitely got the impression that most Lis players didn't know about it or at least they weren't using it when they absolutely should. I use boost almost every time! Thanks for subbing and commenting!
The way we do it is one has a spotting scope, 2 have stingers and 1 has a ammo box. Once the scope locks on they normally dump their flares but the scope stays locked on, the others fire their stingers and the other gives ammo. Good when you play with some friends but hard to do with randoms.
I'll usually only pop flares once the warning changes from locked to missile incoming and I think pilots that are better than me all do this too. If you have a long warning with no missile fire 90% of the time it is a soflam. Also, fun fact; the soflam gives off a subtle red glint, it is sometimes hard to see but it does make you recognizable to pilots hunting for the guy who is locking them.
If you are going with this tactic, I recommend having your partners changing the stingers out with the M5s since you'll get more damage from the M5 Recoilless and with the soflam locked on the M5 can lock onto them. Against really good pilots I'm not sure how much success you will have but if this is your preferred method then go for it :)
Lis's TGM missile is easy to avoid if you just barrel roll the chopper. I've had hundreds of those missiles fired at me and not a single one has ever hit me when I barrel roll. You do need to have some altitude before you roll though so you don't hit the ground, but if you do it right, they will never be able to hit you.
You probably come under the "How to deal with particularly good pilots" section xD we'll get you while you are low and waiting for your flares to recharge, or aim at you while your in a dogfight. And I bet if you are this good that you haven't been killed by a stinger in a very long time!
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Cool guide - random recommend from UA-cam, but enjoyed it & definitely gonna give Lis a shot.
Very happy to hear you enjoyed it! Good luck, she's worth it :)
TY! The boost feature makes THE ENTIRE thing viable
100% agree. They are so slow without it!
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Great video explaining! It is kinda hard guiding that missile to a chopper, need practice!!
Give it a few goes in solo vs. Ai to get the feel of it them move onto real players. You'll be swatting choppers in no time :D
There are few more amazing things that Liz can do.
1) you can kill pilot if you hit directly to cockpit, takes more practice but very usefull against transport helis.
2) there are often those little annoying snipers hidden at some high spots, or camping at some corners with dificult angles to kill them, well dealing with them with Liz is fun.
3) she is even more fun with Rorsch, i love harassing pilots with this railgun.
1) I know that all too well: ua-cam.com/video/dZHcFRH1ok4/v-deo.html :D
2) Definitely a useful thing to know!
3) Lis missile and a Rorsch is a lethal combination to anything that flies! Though you have to use the snipe variant since it's the only variant that does decent damage to them.
Looking to get back to bf2042 recently. I love rockets. Anti vehicle play is what I tend to do. This is amazing tip. Awesome vid.
Really glad you enjoyed it! I would definitely recommend investing time into her! Absolutely worth it!
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I just started to play with Lis and I think she's awesome. Right now it's super hard to hit choppers, but it's rather funny to take down camping snipers from behind cover ;)