Muslim Gets Questioned On The Treatment Of Women In Islam! Muhammed Ali

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  • @TheMuslimLantern
    @TheMuslimLantern  Годину тому +11

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  • @AliMosa-hk4od
    @AliMosa-hk4od 5 годин тому +379

    Please make dua for my sick mother to be healed ikhwan, she’s sad and crying from it 😢

    • @ayyubjackson
      @ayyubjackson 5 годин тому +21

      يشفيها يا رب

    • @Lonewold.
      @Lonewold. 5 годин тому +18

      May the Creator, grant full Shifa
      Aameen

    • @Assyaroni
      @Assyaroni 5 годин тому +11

      May Allah grant her healing and reward her abundantly for her patience (sabr).. Aameen yaa Rab al'aalmeen

    • @Spm1610
      @Spm1610 5 годин тому +3

      شفهالله

    • @Bddbdd738
      @Bddbdd738 5 годин тому +5

      May Allah heal her in the best possible way

  • @Nourh-m4w
    @Nourh-m4w 5 годин тому +170

    A lady once was shocked when I told her, I remove my hijab at home (at that time, I used to live alone with my mom who was a widow, now AlhamduliLlah I'm married).
    And I was like, why should I wear the hijab if I am alone or with my own mother lol.
    I live in a majority Catholic country, Italy, but I am originally from Algeria, and grew up in a strict Muslim household AlhamduliLlah.
    I heard a lot of nonsense but we must have patience.
    And why the question "why only women cover", as if Christian men and women were supposed to dressed in the same way. Which I doubt.

    • @eafesaf6934
      @eafesaf6934 4 години тому +4

      Yes even Christians have a dress code.

    • @Honest_Question
      @Honest_Question 3 години тому +7

      Alhamdulillah, may Allah increase you in goodness.
      Also generally I wouldn't use the term "strict muslim household" because that in a way justifies disobedience and disbelief as being "moderate", but Allah (swt) says what can be translated to:
      {And thus We have made you [believers] a *median* [just] community} 2;143
      Meaning that islam is the medium and moderate path, and everything else isn't.

    • @Emaz786
      @Emaz786 2 години тому +2

      their misconceptions are hilarious

    • @djamalmegari6891
      @djamalmegari6891 2 години тому

      Big salut 2you Bent bledi .nice to learn about our deen and increase our Iman in islam.

    • @habiladam6363
      @habiladam6363 Годину тому

      The Christians have their own dress code, but they don't follow it anymore.

  • @kb4432
    @kb4432 3 години тому +51

    Thank-you Jessica for your part in a super respectful conversation. May God Almighty open your heart to Islam

  • @Thatspaceguy101
    @Thatspaceguy101 5 годин тому +132

    47 minutes of mohammed lantern?? we're eating good today 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥

  • @n0ne0ne
    @n0ne0ne 5 годин тому +83

    I watched this conversation live. May Allah guide her

    • @Cbari92
      @Cbari92 5 годин тому +4

      Same ❤

    • @rahmanrohit1972
      @rahmanrohit1972 5 годин тому +1

      Does he go live from this channel?

    • @ayoub7558
      @ayoub7558 5 годин тому +8

      @@rahmanrohit1972 yes turn on your notifications so you dont msis the stream

    • @n0ne0ne
      @n0ne0ne 5 годин тому

      @@rahmanrohit1972 yes usually on the weekends evening. Past few weeks he has been going live Saturday 7/8/9 PM GMT+1

    • @truthseeker31000
      @truthseeker31000 4 години тому

      @@rahmanrohit1972yes

  • @basedmuslimbooks
    @basedmuslimbooks 5 годин тому +114

    4:05 this is why all Muslims should learn Arabic, or Quranic Arabic. This is the first time I'm hearing this explanation and it immediately makes sense to explain "reduction" of responsibility rather than them being inherently deficient

    • @dr.saidsaid
      @dr.saidsaid 3 години тому

      Another translation is that there's a reduction in rationality in women compared to men. In other words, men are more rational than women.

  • @HudeyfiRecovery
    @HudeyfiRecovery 37 хвилин тому +1

    Alhamdulilah.. For Our Brother Mohammad Alli 🙌

  • @donwaris6963
    @donwaris6963 5 годин тому +49

    Commenting from Ghana..Your explanations are just easy to understand and grasp..Allah bless you and keep educating us some more..As a muslim am always learning new things on your channel..

  • @GuidancetowardsTruth
    @GuidancetowardsTruth 5 годин тому +47

    Pray for Muslims around the world 🇵🇸🇵🇸

  • @JM-vs8uv
    @JM-vs8uv 3 години тому +21

    I got into an accident currently in hospital please pray for my soon recovery 🤲

    • @homeschooling-4302
      @homeschooling-4302 2 години тому +2

      شفاك الله

    • @RNMom19
      @RNMom19 2 години тому +1

      May Allah grant you a healing and a cure that leaves no illness behind. May Allah make you affairs easy and make your suffering an expiation for you. Ameen!

    • @MuhammadNasirAliyu-k9h
      @MuhammadNasirAliyu-k9h Годину тому

      May Allah grant you quick recovery

    • @FediSehli
      @FediSehli Годину тому

      الله يشفيك

  • @OmgamazingpicsMostAmazing
    @OmgamazingpicsMostAmazing 4 години тому +21

    This is such an engaging and insightful discussion. The way Brother Ali breaks down and explains the concepts is absolutely phenomenal-it’s clear, detailed, and thought-provoking. There’s a wealth of knowledge being shared here, offering plenty of valuable takeaways for anyone eager to learn.
    May Allah (swt) reward you brother Ali.

  • @abdula5842
    @abdula5842 5 годин тому +65

    Please make dua for my mom who is sick due to severe depression and cries about it a lot and thats stopping her from praying :(

    • @epicqasoom
      @epicqasoom 5 годин тому +14

      Severe depression? That stops her from praying?
      I'm pretty sure that praying has lots of benefits And that includes curing depression, maybe you should try to convince her to pray?
      Oh And may allah fix your mom's problem and bless her, Ameen.

    • @bluyetiinc7553
      @bluyetiinc7553 3 години тому +4

      May Allah swt give her shifaa.

    • @wingchun6036
      @wingchun6036 2 години тому +3

      Allah grant her shifaa soon, and make it easy for you and your family (aameen).

    • @ChroniclesofMexico
      @ChroniclesofMexico Годину тому

      May Allah grant her shifa and overcome her depression. Ameen

  • @sayan1667
    @sayan1667 3 години тому +15

    Alhamdulillah! A Muslim brother educates a Christian about christianity better than Christians do.
    May Allah keep you and your family safe and healthy ❤

  • @B.S.R3
    @B.S.R3 3 години тому +12

    Wow just a BIG WOW .. I'm a Muslim and i never knew that..
    Jazaka allah khayran, thank you soooo much for this explanation

  • @Rana_Aliz
    @Rana_Aliz 4 години тому +28

    Claiming Men and Women are the same contradicts reality and leads to problems like Feminism, misogyny, and the erosion of family values. Men Women are equal in worth but distinct in roles, as stated in Qur'an "And do not wish for that by which Allah has made some of you exceed others". Ignoring these disrupts natural harmony, neglect of responsibilities.

  • @1thailover
    @1thailover 5 годин тому +13

    assalamualaikum from malaysia 🇲🇾

  • @TheDragonaf1
    @TheDragonaf1 2 години тому +11

    This is why Dawah with Women is so much more constructive - logical reasons and not insecure enough to admit when wrong. May Allah guide her. Sadly yet another example of media Islam vs actual books.

    • @matrix_1749
      @matrix_1749 Годину тому

      Yeah, they are more open to change their beliefs, men are more stubborn in that regard.

  • @mohdazuree3741
    @mohdazuree3741 42 хвилини тому +1

    This woman ask good questions. As a Muslim myself, I learn a lot from this Q&A.

  • @Sam_uncle
    @Sam_uncle 3 години тому +9

    Love you brother. 🇦🇱 Selamu alejkum from Albania

    • @matrix_1749
      @matrix_1749 Годину тому

      Wa aleykum salaam brater

  • @SalahBouchat
    @SalahBouchat 5 годин тому +12

    Alhamdulillah for Muhammed Ali

  • @Sulaimanengr
    @Sulaimanengr 5 годин тому +18

    May Allah bless us with more knowledge 🙏

  • @vexzunnkhan-qq9go
    @vexzunnkhan-qq9go 45 хвилин тому

    Thank you Jessica for your well-thought question! Very good discussion.

  • @faisalsediqi6120
    @faisalsediqi6120 5 годин тому +5

    جزاکم الله خیرا اخی محمد ❤.

  • @fahad055
    @fahad055 3 години тому +3

    Jazak Allah khair brother Muhammad

  • @alih1214
    @alih1214 3 години тому +4

    جزاك الله خيرا

  • @homtanks7259
    @homtanks7259 2 години тому +2

    JazakAllah'u khairan brother 🇵🇸🤲🏻

  • @LilLion1818
    @LilLion1818 5 годин тому +10

    Looking forward listening to it insha Allah ☺️

  • @yumarromero5144
    @yumarromero5144 3 години тому +5

    ❤❤❤😂😂 it couldn't have been more clear than that that was crystal clear salaam alaikum alhamdulillah for Islam tell them about the punishment in the grave and what comes after

  • @abdelhadibs405
    @abdelhadibs405 39 хвилин тому +1

    May Allah bless you

  • @ryujimakato
    @ryujimakato 5 годин тому +8

    Salamu alaikum, amazing videos.

  • @AbdiQafar-rf2rq
    @AbdiQafar-rf2rq Годину тому

    Jazzakallahu khair❤

  • @taufiqazhar2112
    @taufiqazhar2112 2 години тому +1

    Brother knowledge is a blessing from Allah ❤

  • @icaicciai3171
    @icaicciai3171 5 годин тому +11

    It was in feed 3seconds after it was uploaded.
    ما شاء الله تبارك الله

  • @SalemBH8
    @SalemBH8 5 годин тому +14

    I'm sick .
    Please make dua for me .

    • @believersince_1997
      @believersince_1997 4 години тому +3

      May Allah heal you completely and forgive you and all of us.

    • @abdallaMoa
      @abdallaMoa 3 години тому

      May Allāh grant you a quick recovery.

  • @shukrimoe2814
    @shukrimoe2814 Годину тому

    جزاك الله خيرا اخي محمد. ❤

  • @B.S.R3
    @B.S.R3 3 години тому +2

    جزاك الله عنا خيرا، والله انا مسلمة و يزداد يقيني اكثر كلما استمعت لحواراتك، اشكرك من القلب..
    للأسف فقدنا تمكننا من لغتنا العربية... ما يجعل فهمنا للقرآن غير مكتمل، واجد اني افهم اكثر عندما اجدك توضح لآخرين بلغة انجليزية رغم ان الانجليزية هي لغتي الثالثة...
    اتمنى لو تنشر فيديوهات للمتكلمين بالعربية ربما دروس او حوارات مع الموازاة بالاستمرار بالدعوة والله ستكون ذات منفعة لأمتنا وجزاك عنا الله كل خير، ونفعك الله بعلمه و نفعنا معك

  • @felixgras5665
    @felixgras5665 45 хвилин тому

    This vidéo is so clear, good job JazakAllah khair

  • @unitedbrotherhood7
    @unitedbrotherhood7 3 години тому +3

    May Allah SWT bless, guide and have mercy upon everyones mother. Amen!

  • @naeemulhoque1777
    @naeemulhoque1777 4 години тому +2

    MashaAllah, very beneficial conversation.

  • @The1ClearTruth
    @The1ClearTruth 28 хвилин тому

    Great clarifications 👍

  • @MobinYazdani-xh7er
    @MobinYazdani-xh7er 28 хвилин тому +1

    Amazing if millions of Americans and Europeans watch this channel may Allah guide to Christians to Islam and accepting all these prophecies about the coming of Muhammad peace be upon him

  • @Osama.Canaan
    @Osama.Canaan 2 години тому

    جزاك الله خيراً يا محمد

  • @MeteorBoy23
    @MeteorBoy23 5 годин тому +6

    Commenting from planet earth for the algorithm 👍

  • @ahmaduahmed8760
    @ahmaduahmed8760 3 години тому +7

    Muhammad Ali i hope you read this. There is one indication that some women do tend to forget things during their pregnancy, they have this syndrome called pregnancy brain. So here women through experiences of forgetfulness which men don't . That could be a reason for this contract agreement to have two women as witnesses. The ayah also says if one forgets the other can remind her. Do pls study this pregnancy brain, it is a scientifically established fact.

    • @mari_000
      @mari_000 2 години тому +2

      As a mother i agree 100% with it. In pregnancy and after pregnancy my memory got bad

  • @OmarFarouq-wz8hf
    @OmarFarouq-wz8hf 2 години тому +1

    salam, from kenya

  • @elvarpasic2090
    @elvarpasic2090 5 годин тому +6

    Alhamdulillahi Rabbil Alameen

  • @raihankhan2731
    @raihankhan2731 3 години тому +2

    Mashallah brother

  • @azooz9789
    @azooz9789 3 години тому +6

    10:37 NO WAY SHE JUST IGNORED ALL THAT ANF ONLY FORCED ON THIS POINT , man these kind of people.....

    • @wingchun6036
      @wingchun6036 2 години тому +1

      I thought she raised a good question, as in the claim made is 'never' which isn't true as there are examples in history where there are exceptions. The point is, if Islam is the Truth, how can it make a claim that is contradicted by reality? She's basically checking the Truth of Islam, which is reasonable for her to do if she's considering becoming Muslim in sha'Allah.

    • @faroukahmed5214
      @faroukahmed5214 2 години тому

      Very true ​@@wingchun6036

  • @LADHA-z1l
    @LADHA-z1l 17 хвилин тому

    My sister Jessica sounds like a very agreeable person.

  • @maafremsayablong
    @maafremsayablong 3 години тому +2

    May Allah SWT guide her inshaAllah

  • @Lonewold.
    @Lonewold. 5 годин тому +8

    May Allah guide you to Pure Monotheism Jessica

  • @abdouahamada8122
    @abdouahamada8122 2 години тому

    As Salam anlaikoum brother Muhammad. Jazakala'Allah for always clarifying these shubuhat

  • @enayatullah9056
    @enayatullah9056 5 годин тому +4

    Asalam alikum brother Ali

  • @4s_sheik
    @4s_sheik 4 години тому +2

    May Allah guide all of us ❤

  • @mdrabinsarker4058
    @mdrabinsarker4058 16 хвилин тому

    She is a sincere womann. May Allah guides her.

  • @Smearfact
    @Smearfact 3 години тому +1

    Masha Allah

  • @chribbat8102
    @chribbat8102 2 години тому +2

    As a non muslim, islam day by day seems more and more interesting!

    • @chiefmaaz9749
      @chiefmaaz9749 Годину тому +1

      Read quran brother with open mind and ask question may Allah Almighty show u the right path ameen❤❤❤

  • @chiefmaaz9749
    @chiefmaaz9749 Годину тому

    Muhammad Ali brother love u so much i wish i meet u once i know its not possible in this Dunya maybe but in paradise inshallah ❤❤❤❤

  • @nahinisrat1182
    @nahinisrat1182 Годину тому

    May Allah guide this lovely lady to the straight path. Ameen

  • @rebeccab4560
    @rebeccab4560 2 години тому +2

    Some comments from my humble opinion:
    1-loved the explanation of deficiency vs reduction
    2-loved the context of the black slave for witnessing, as well as the Hadith where the prophet saw made an exception. Two things didn’t know
    3-I recommend finding a better reason than emotions. Nowhere in Islam does it say the woman is more emotional, nor does Islam blame emotions on periods. Although i agree, i would refrain from using this justification as it’s not based on Islam.
    4-a woman won’t subdue a man. Good point
    5-if female leadership Hadith is not referring to a nation, and applies to all females, it may not apply to certain cases like monarchies where women INHERIT leadership? I’m just trying to justify why bilqis was commended but the Hadith says ‘never’
    6-the point of advisors being male: kind of irrelevant bc she’s still a leader. Just saying
    Thank u Muslim lantern for another awesome video!

  • @maafremsayablong
    @maafremsayablong 3 години тому +4

    Christian woman in Europe hundreds of years ago still dress modestly and cover their hair.

  • @hammadmaqsood7884
    @hammadmaqsood7884 4 години тому +4

    23:00 - this is an important point. A "Christian" is a "follower of christ", but then why do Christians reject what Jesus himself allegedly says in the Bible and instead believe what Paul says? Nearly every saying of Jesus in the Bible goes against the traditional theology of Christian.

  • @YEAGERlST
    @YEAGERlST 5 годин тому +3

    If you read this;
    Say "SubhanAllah" 33x
    Say "Alhamdulillah" 33x
    Say "Allahu akbar" 34x
    May Allah reward you.

  • @TheePillars
    @TheePillars 2 години тому

    May Allah Bless You Muslim Lantern

  • @rsaiyed1979
    @rsaiyed1979 2 години тому

    Excellent!

  • @papyjunior4780
    @papyjunior4780 4 години тому +2

    MachALLAH

  • @SaadMuslim20
    @SaadMuslim20 3 години тому

    Alhamdulilah for everything

  • @peacebeuntoyou8934
    @peacebeuntoyou8934 Годину тому

    Let's not forget that the Song of Solomon in Isaiah, in the original Hebrew, mentions Prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) by name, but his name was translated as "altogether lovely" in English.

  • @noorjamansarkar5501
    @noorjamansarkar5501 5 годин тому +3

    Assalamu Alaikum wr/wb

  • @Numltv
    @Numltv 3 години тому +1

    Allah bless you

  • @Zak-Elmi
    @Zak-Elmi 2 години тому

    If you’re someone who wants to increase in knowledge, you should take notes on how this brother dismantles modern day doubts

  • @Thetruth0108
    @Thetruth0108 5 годин тому +6

    Selam aleykum

  • @shahrulnizam5443
    @shahrulnizam5443 4 години тому

    Thank youu

  • @Debian75
    @Debian75 4 години тому +2

    About the testimony of a single woman, you can give the example of hadith (prophetic narrations), which is more important than a normal testimony, because all our religion is based on those hadith. How many narrations are only transmitted by Aisha. Nobody says "we don't accept her narrations because she is a woman".

  • @abumusa5913
    @abumusa5913 5 годин тому +3

    Most hardline Question against Islam just needs the questioner to be open minded and calm.
    They already have a wrong caricature of Islam

  • @salaamgraphics5882
    @salaamgraphics5882 2 години тому +1

    Shukrun ya Allah for rewarding attending blessed majlis of blessed young brother great mujahid Muhammad Ali..may Allah keep you rewarding the true blessingsss o happiness in all worldsssssss amiiiiiin ..thankss ya allah u r the true supremacy force❤😂🎉

  • @محمدراجي-ك8ع
    @محمدراجي-ك8ع 4 години тому +1

    عندها حق،كثير من الإخوة لا يلبسون قميص ...عليهم أن يغطوا أجسامهم كذلك

    • @tempaccount7024
      @tempaccount7024 Годину тому

      Yes, there are misconceptions among men on what they shouldn't and should wear even though it is so clear. May Allah guide all of us.

  • @MAX-yd2bs
    @MAX-yd2bs 3 години тому +1

    YYYEEEESSSSS ❤

  • @sashabraus1125
    @sashabraus1125 Годину тому

    May Allah guide her Ameen

  • @chanobechano3748
    @chanobechano3748 57 хвилин тому

    Mashallah

  • @minus_boy
    @minus_boy 5 годин тому +2

    nice one

  • @mmuneebahmed
    @mmuneebahmed 3 години тому +2

    22:59 Worship Jesus is just like worship Idols, because this is how the Idol worship started in Pagans!

  • @zeropulses9180
    @zeropulses9180 4 години тому +3

    26:23 Just google Isaiah 7:14, there is a footnote after the word "virgin" and it says "Or young woman."

  • @mandyy4802
    @mandyy4802 4 години тому +2

    Something to think about is the fact that if you looked at chess rankings (which has nothing to do with a male’s vs female’s physical qualities), the top female chess player is ranked around 50th vs the top male chess player who is ranked 1st.
    So if there was a job interview for leadership using these rankings, I don’t believe there would be any females making it onto the shortlist.
    I’m a woman and even I cannot deny this data.
    With that being said, even though I’m a pretty ambitious person who grew up in the West, I actually think it would be generally better for women to not have the responsibility of leadership for multiple reasons:
    1. If the government is taking good care of me and using my tax dollars efficiently, I don’t think I would care so much about whether I have the right to vote or not, let alone be able to hold office.
    2. If I was being taken good care of, I’d rather sit back and relax and have an easy life. 😂 People think being a leader is fun when in fact it’s a lot of work and responsibility to have to look after a nation.
    3. I believe that under Islamic rules, if you don’t do a good enough job as a political leader, the punishment can be quite harsh. Why bear the responsibility of this? Especially since for us, it’s much harder to outwork men who don’t have to experience the pain of menstruation every month.
    4. Part of a political leader’s job is to make pragmatic decisions and standing up against other countries’ leaders, who can be ruthless about attacking you. Being more emotional and nurturing by nature as a woman means that this can be extremely stressful on us and doesn’t bode good outcomes for neither us nor the people impacted by the decisions being made.

    • @deed9430
      @deed9430 4 години тому +1

      I agree. But as MA pointed out, there are always exceptions to the rule. But God made rules for his creations in general, not the exceptions. Is there any woman who enjoy that stressfulness? Possibly. But I still think she would have a better quality of life if she didn't take that position or role.

  • @Bakr1347
    @Bakr1347 2 години тому +1

    Subhanallah amazing how our last prophet in the Bible. If the ppl didn't change the injeel etc they will surely follow the last prophet. But it's the ppl that follow their desires and disobey Allah.
    May Allah grant us protection and save us from miguidance. Ameen

  • @harisimtiaz
    @harisimtiaz 2 години тому

    subhanAllah

  • @Iraniansunnimuslim
    @Iraniansunnimuslim 5 годин тому +6

    God knows what's best for us, even if our human urges aren't with it.
    Life is a test, we must pass it.

  • @duniaforakhirah1
    @duniaforakhirah1 4 години тому

    Alhamdulillah

  • @sajjadmehmood2943
    @sajjadmehmood2943 4 години тому

    كُلُّ نَفۡسٍ ذَآئِقَةُ ٱلۡمَوۡتِۗ وَإِنَّمَا تُوَفَّوۡنَ أُجُورَكُمۡ يَوۡمَ ٱلۡقِيَٰمَةِۖ فَمَن زُحۡزِحَ عَنِ ٱلنَّارِ وَأُدۡخِلَ ٱلۡجَنَّةَ فَقَدۡ فَازَۗ وَمَا ٱلۡحَيَوٰةُ ٱلدُّنۡيَآ إِلَّا مَتَٰعُ ٱلۡغُرُور

  • @tayyabiqbal4926
    @tayyabiqbal4926 4 години тому +1

    Well it was a nice and smooth conversation. she's got some nice questions, not just jumping here and there. And your responses were definitely on point. Hope she has learnt something. May Allah guide her! One thing I like in this video that you brought up the women in Christianity. (Like how could you point finger while believing this rigid Belief) @TheMuslimLantren

  • @evilthrei013
    @evilthrei013 26 хвилин тому

    we need a double like button

  • @TawhedDawah
    @TawhedDawah 4 години тому

    MashaAllah

  • @wassim-akkari
    @wassim-akkari 3 години тому

    26:49 In Emanuel "prophecy" Almah is not virgin but young women, It's a miss-translation. You can check 1QIsa scroll the earliest scroll of Isiah in Hebrew it says Almah (Young Women) which does not mean Parthenos (Virgin) like the Septuagint and Matthew say.

  • @arshmash5340
    @arshmash5340 3 години тому +1

    Ooooooohhh 47 minutes !

  • @HamzaGW
    @HamzaGW 3 години тому

    Stop Doom Scrolling My Fellow Muslim And Recite
    33x SubhanAllah
    33x Alhamdulilah
    34x Allahu Akbar
    Take 2 Minute 15 Second

  • @Abdur-Rahman862
    @Abdur-Rahman862 19 хвилин тому

    Excellent video, but with regards to the deficiency in intelligence hadith, i would say that the translation isn't that problematic. Often, when you put women in these kind of tense situations, their emotions get in the way of their judgment in a more significant manner.

  • @halim997
    @halim997 4 години тому

    Wish I can like a video twice

  • @Jsheann
    @Jsheann 2 години тому

    👍🏼👍🏼

  • @lamasabachthani2132
    @lamasabachthani2132 3 години тому +1

    Jesus made his followers suffer a lot by leaving without leaving them a single sentence saying clearly and without confusion: I am god!!!
    They only rely on presumptions...they suffer when they read John 17:3