Basics of Japanese Pitch Accent
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- Опубліковано 10 лис 2024
- In this video, I will show you a better way to understand Japanese pitch accent. In most Japanese course books and schools, they explain the pitch accent (if they explain it at all) in terms of High Pitch and Low Pitch, and that's how the pitch is marked in Japanese dictionaries. But in reality pitch goes up and down smoothly, so the way they show accent in Japanese dictionaries is not only confusing but also incorrect.
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When I lived in Japan, I just tried to copy how Japanese people pronounce. It takes time but it comes with frequent exposure and practice.
Yeah I figured this kind of thing is something you'd just pick up by living in Japan or talking to Japanese people often
did you learn it by only exposure and nothing else?
@@Kekswaffel208By copying Japanese speakers...
The problem is that some people don't seem to hear the difference, probably because they are not used to that type of accent. I have seen tests on other channels made by native Japanese teachers and I saw in the comment that some people just didn't hear the difference between both examples. So while I am sure what you did will work for the majority of people, especially if they are aware of the concept, and I think it's probably the best way to learn to speak a language as close as possible to a native speaker, it's probably not going to work for everybody.
Yeah, I've heard plenty of people say they can't hear pitch differences even knowing they exist. It depends on your native language as well. Your brain will fit what it hears into the categories it expects, so you may think you're copying perfectly, but still be off.
As a japanese who always struggled to explain the pitch accent to other people (it just seemed so random, yet so natural to me), I think this is the best video on the subject I've ever seen !
I wish more tutors and teachers were like Kaname in the way he presents the information and structures it. It's so logical, easy to comprehend, and always makes absolute sense! Thank you!
Yeah, he not only understands the concepts, but is also capable of explaining them clearly and intuitively. He's just a great teacher, I guess
This is one of the best concise explanations of pitch accent, an aspect of the Japanese language that is getting increasing attention.
Using a dot as a visual representation for pitch accent is much simpler. It's like putting up a tent; the cover gradually rises to the top then gradually down. Changes in pitch flow in a similar way.
While it might seem a little overwhelming that there are several different patterns & exceptions, you are likely to naturally get used to it over time as you practice listening & using pitch accent.
I'm pretty sure this has always been paid attention to, if you look at Japanese learning material in Chinese, Korean, and probably other languages too. It's just that western educational material, e.g. Genki, etc. that don't talk about it.
Well said! I just watched and I can't wait to apply this video's way of thinking of pitch accent when watching my favorite Japanese shows and movies. I feel like it's going to help my listening comprehension a lot.
It gets natural over time :D
Hey, don't I see you in kyouzou's streams sometimes?
only if you have the basics. A lot of people have been speaking for tens of years, living and working in Japan and still never acquire pitch accent.
@@serafin3734 shh…
@@ganqqwerty even the people here who think theyve mastered it are dunning kruger. there is no way of knowing without feedback.
@@figgettitoh please
It’s so interesting how worried this made me reading this in a book, but when you hear it spoken I can hear *why* these make sense even though I don’t know the technical reason. They just sound better stressed where they are supposed to be. This video was awesome thank you!
This. I think many people focus a lot on pitch accent in individual words isolated from sentences, when it's more important to know how it work on sentences, along with intonation. It's less overwhelming than trying to study lots of lots of word's pitch accents. As someone who doesn't put focus a lot on pitch accent, I have to say this video is great!
that doesn't make sense, for you to know how the words work in sentences you have to know the word's pitch lol
@@aa-cx8nc Japanese sintagmas have easy to learn intonation patterns. If you know that, the pronunciation becomes better.
@@azarishiba2559 idk what a sintagma is but, if u mean the accent type that's just knowing the pitch of words
PLEASE do more of these pitch accent videos !! you explain it so well
You might be the first person I've seen on UA-cam who explained the pitch accent in a proper way. ありがとうございます! 貴方のチャネルが大好きですよ！❤❤❤❤❤
I really appreciate the way you structure your explanations of any concepts, as it makes it easy to see examples & understand the general rules to really quickly internalize them.
Especially things like how the rules often sound child-like without understanding the exceptions makes it easier to know what to listen for when you hear exceptions to pronunciation and how they flavor the tone of a speech pattern.
more videos on pitch accent please! i’ve seen an innumerable amount of videos on it before, but yours is the first one where i’ve truly *got* it. ありがとうございました ナイトウ先生！🙏🏻
Bossman this helped a lot. Usually I see pitch accent explained in terms of the four patterns but that seems a lot more confusing than just identifying where the accented mora is in a word.
Kaname back with another banger video, as usual
This channel is such an incredible knowledge resource, ありがとうございます
When I bought a Japanese grammar book for beginners years ago, it tried to introduce me to pitch accent, but I didn't understand it. It said, "The "ki" in 切る is stressed, but the "ki" in 着る is unstressed." I didn't know what that meant because I never thought about how words are pronounced in my own language. For years, I pronounced 着る as "kiru," but pronounced 切る as "KHHHHHHHHHHHiru."
Then years later while watching "Naruto Shippuden," I heard Sasuke say 早く服を着ろ, then it hit me. "OH! That book was saying that the last part of the word is higher! I get it now! So with 切る, the FIRST part of the word is higher."
It's not stressing syllables, it is putting emphasis on an specific one
@@Mobik_Emphasis _is_ stress. It may be realised as a combination of a higher pitch, a higher volume and longer sounds, depending on the language.
Pitch is not stress. That's the fundamental difference@@suntorytimes1
@@matzekatze7500 It's not the same as stress in English (or in many other languages), but it's a kind of stress nonetheless.
I like saying "accent" than "stress" "emphasis". But I think that's because my native language is Spanish which involves a comma or mark above a letter. Atención, parásito, árbol.
I picked up some of the pitch through having a good musical ear while living abroad, but had always wondered about the rhyme and reason behind it. Very appreciative of you taking the time to explain it!
基本の高低アクセント認識を広がせて誠にありがとうございます。視聴者向け役に立つ高低アクセントの動画だけでなく、上達に目指すと思います。
This was great! I’d love a supplemental video breaking down pitch accent in full sentences and dialog - sort of like how you were starting to do towards the end of this video. Thank you as always!!
It is crazy how much of this I've picked up learning Japanese without realizing. Never had it explained this well before though, Thank you!
Kaname-san, I was familiar with this rule and regional variance on the way some words are pronounced (and sometimes incorrect ways to pronounce words) which honestly made me very nervous with accented words as a concept. This video is the first one that was able to make me completely understand accented words. Thank you very much.
My guy is putting Dogen out of a job.
Or maybe driving people to Dogen, since Dogen's course takes this start and fills in all the gaps.
I wish they become friends. I like them both😊
At 1 video a month
What's Dogen doin
thats a criminal statement lol
Thank you for another amazing video, Kaname!! You're the best!
I've been studying japanese for so many years but for the first like... 5 years or more, no one ever told me about pitch accent.
I like to practice pronouncing the words and phrases as I listen to people talking (in tv shows etc). So I believe I pronounce many things correctly (but sure I pronounce many things wrong too xD) BUT I never studied the rules in language school as I see you teach here. There are other japanese teachers on youtube that I started watching before finding you that also talk about this and I was like "can't believe it took me so long so hear about this" fr...
Thanks a lot for another great video so I can keep studying and doing what I can to memorize and get used to this, haha!
Greetings from Brazil!
I really wish I had been able to watch this 2 years ago when I first really started trying to learn about pitch accent! I had thought I was starting to get a handle on it several months ago and then I realized I was totally wrong and had actually developed some really bad listening habits because I had been forcing myself to hear the accents I had been told were associated with certain verbs, when in reality the accent had been overridden by by the ます form (ie I was forcing myself to hear 見ます or 立ちます as atamadaka when in reality the stress is on ま or is omitted).
Thank you for the great video kaname-sensei! I really hope you make more pitch accent videos :)
i always tried to follow the "rhythm" i hear in convos i listen in both anime and Japanese media. Hearing an explanation of where the accent is pitched higher and lower helps a lot
Very good video! Maybe some advice on sentence level pitch accent would be nice too
I've been seeing a lot of discussion about pitch accent as of late, but you're the only one who's actually taken the time to explain all the little details. Great video! Thanks!
I'm always happy when I see you're uploading videos, the amount of information you cover and the way you break it down is truly fantastic
Thank you very much for your time and effort ❤
Great explanation, please do also a video explaining how to react Japanese phrases with natural rhythms 😅!
This is an excellent explanation, both intuitive and informative. Bravo and thank you.
This way of showing where is the pitch accent is so much better.
Thank you so much! This video was super helpful!!!
We want more of this! :D
ピッチアクセントを教えてくれてありがとうございました。分かりやすい説明でしたよ。
高低アクセント high low accent
上から目線で草
Kaname, I hope you plan to make more content related to this!
こんな動画が手伝ってくれたんですけどコンテクストがない会話で「雨」と「飴」って言葉は問題がありましたよ。ありがとございます。
Thanks. Nice set of "rules". Generalisations of rules are so helpful when learning languages, even when there are exceptions. It actually makes the exceptions too easier to remember when you encounter them. My first German teacher in school had some general rules for noun gender that I still remember because they were so useful.
Watching this, I notice that despite tone accent never being part of what we learnt (Japanese is quite complex enough even without going into it), I actually followed many of these rules when I studied it in school 30 years ago. I just picked it up by osmosis when I listened to the lesson texts on tape.
Honestly people usually explain pitch as low or high and you did a fantastic job explaining it well. Keep up these videos they are amazing!!
Appreciate using this many countries. Some of them I've never heard on Japanese before
Really good video, Kaname!
Love the explanation. This is so helpful since I kinda struggled a lot with intonations when studying from books and even when trying shadowing, I couldn’t really see how this works systematically.
素晴らしい説明でした。よくわかりました。ありがとうございました！
The most useful video on pitch accent. Mind blowing 😮
I've been waiting for this one for soooooo long. Please upload more related to pitch accent....
Thanks, this helps a lot with understanding the general concept and having good defaults to fall back on. I think it'll make it a lot easier to pick up through hearing it.
Also it's just a lot easier to understand a high point than some weird robotic square wave thing like in dictionaries.
I studied Japanese for many years starting in highschool, then living in Japan and got a bachelor's degree in college back in the States. Nowadays, I don't use it much so it's rusty but I try to brush up sometimes. I love these videos because you explain SO WELL so many things that my teachers and professors ignored, briefly explained, or claimed were not possible to teach. You are my hero!
PART 2 PLLEEASSSEEE
Also, your videos have a very pleasing color palette. Was that on purpose? lol
This was a firehose of information. Thank you so much. Learned a lot.
お疲れ様でした！
これからも頑張ってくださいね😊
次のレッスンを楽しみにしています。
More videos on pitch accent, please! I like it structured and ruled like this, rather than just drilling each word
These accent rules are so complicated. Hopefully i'll remember them after hearing the phrases 1000 times lol
What a great summery. Only one question... How do I know a word actually has an accent? I'd love to see another video.
大変勉強になりました！ありがとう！
This is insanely helpful. I'm gonna need to take some notes.
ありがとうございます！
Thanks for another great video!
Please make a sequel! This is gold for learners like me Kaname!!
I doubt he'll make it for free ... most likely available only in Patreon later.
This was one of the best videos I have ever seen on pitch accent. Calling it “accent” makes it so much easier to understand than the usual approach of “high” and “low” pitch.
However, I have no idea how you’d approach studying it in practice?
I believe the accent for each individual word is easily available online, which can amount for good practice, but what about full sentences?
I recognize the importance of pitch accent, but I haven’t been able to find a good way to incorporate it in my learning schedule. My attempts often feel very overwhelming and frustrating.
This is better than that scammer Matt vs. Japan
This is very helpful! Thank you 先生!
So useful
Thanks 😊
it’s interesting that most of these “rules” i’ve just unconsciously internalised while learning Japanese for almost 9 years now 😮
oh please
@figgettit why oh please? If you listen to Japanese people speak for years, you'll probably pick up a lot of speaking habits without even realizing they're rules.
I hope so, anyway.
Oh please
The same thing happened to me with english back in Uni. Beforehand, I had never even thought of the ocncept of primary or secondary accent.
@@figgettitI learned hiragana katakana and over 100 kanji without looking at a single flashcard bet that will blow you’re damn mind
YAYYY KANAME VIDEO (edit: some of you are dorks for using this video to shit on dogen imagine just celebrating good Japanese learning content creators and leaving it at that 🤔)
Thanks for the video, and the tips. It's really useful, as the Japanese pitch accent is quite difficult for me. I have a hard time to correctly pronounce words, in any languages.
Have a good day and one, Kaname sensei. The same to everyone.
どうもありがとうございました、かなめ先生。お元気でお大事に。いってらっしゃい。皆さんも。
ありがとうございます！ Your videos have been a great help to me!
Do you have any plans to discuss pronunciation tips? Especially for し sound which can be hard for native English speakers?
If not no worries. Thanks so much!
That was very informative, thank you.
Kaname Sensei rocks my world! 😊
After a few decades in Japan, this is the first time I've heard about pitch accent with words that end in 語 or 的. Excellent information.
Kaname!!!!!!
wow. amazing lesson. thank you.
HOW DO YOU MAKE IT SO EASY KANAME
He was born there - speaking Japanese just comes naturally to him!
@@stevezodiacXL5I don't mean speaking Japanese, I mean teaching it. If anything actually usually foreign learners are better at explaining things in ways that are easy to understand, since native speakers just know everything intuitively without any effort and most have never thought deeper about their language. Not with Kaname though
@@stevezodiacXL5 Being good (or in this case natural haha) at something is waaay different than being good at teaching something.
@@ViperOfMino
The thing is, I've been to Japan many times, and even young kids can speak it!
I'm a grown up, and I find it very hard. I just don't know how they do it - I think they are just smarter in Japan.
So helpful, thank you!!
Even Kaname couldn't resist!
Great video. ありがとうございました！
最も基本的なものは無視されることが多いです。ありがとうございました。
Nice, a new 仮名目 video
it's actually 可奈女
True, 無い糖 可奈女
Isn't it 要 or is there an inside joke?
いや金目さんじゃね？
Wow I didn't even realise I was doing it until you pointed out that they're meant to be pronounced like that. Listening is very powerful after all.
I was surprised to hear visual kei on a a video unrelated to vkei
Excellent video! Did you imply there might be subsequent videos regarding pitch accent? I'm really looking forward to those.
Thanks for your videos
Kaname I think you should make a video on muri, muda, and dame, all 3 are very interesting words and are difficult for new learners to understand due to their wide variety of nuances!
Очень интересный ролик. Спасибо за видео! 💜
ありがとうございます！
Brazil mentioned
I think this is a great video, but I also think the thumbnail is misleading. After watching this video, I'm even more convinced that improper pitch accent makes speech sound strange and often incomprehensible. With that in mind, one would not want to ignore the pitch accent of 果物 like the thumbnail suggests.
I didn't understand pitch Accent at all until now. This video has helped me understand alot and I will now be listening out for pitch accent. I'd love to see you do a part 2 to fully understand all the concepts.
One question, how am I supposed to know when a word is flat and when I'm supposed to pronounce mora higher or lower?
What do you mean with your question?
Check the pitch with a dictionary that shows it or learn to be able to hear it. "kotu minimal pairs" is a good place to practice. Do like 50 a day until you're 100% accurate. Don't worry if you suck at first. When I started my score was bad enough that you could beat it by guessing without listening to the audio.
@@matzekatze7500 I mean, How can I tell when to pronounce a word with a flat tone or when to use a higher or lower pitch
@@Tedisdeaad Thank you!👍
Dogen reaction video incoming
The word "Accent" comes from Latin accounts of the Greek pitch accent, which Latin didn't have.
But each prosody has to be analyzed on its own terms. Latin categories are very unhelpful to Greek words.
Similarly, what's going on in Japanese is not so much "accent," i.e., ONE syllable being pronounced at a higher pitch,
as pitch collapse, i.e., the Japanese ear is listening for where the higher pitch collapses to the lower.
It's a slight shift in frame, but it makes all the difference.
Japanese prosody starts to make sense.
I'm not Japanese whatsoever but I just do it naturally when speaking Japanese.
Hi Kaname! I watched some of your videos and I'm amazed by how well do you explain certain topics in Japanese 🤩
Do you know if there is an official Japanese grammar used in Japan for Japanese students? I want to study Japanese with a linguistic approach 😄
Superb.
Thanks!
The most useful part of the accent lines over the words is that it separates strings of kana much more legibly 😂
This is quite complex. I'll have to return to this 😅
Great video! How about something on how you physically produce the tone change?
Another very clearly explained video, thank you. if a person already has a fairly good vocabulary but didn’t learn the pitch accent rule for each word, would it be better to just acquire it through osmosis and then buy a pitch accent dictionary for new words only?
かなめ先生、尊敬語を教えてくれませんか？
Thankfully, I speak a pitch accent language natively (Swedish). This is perfectly normal to me.
素晴らしいだった。
Heads up, you don't use だ with い adjectives. To conjugate い adjectives to past tense, you drop the い and attach かった.
素晴らしい→素晴らしかった
I'm confused... how do I know on which mora an accent of a word exist?
Now everyone, go watch his video on how to talk cute. There you will find out how to obliterate these rules.
aRIgato GOzaimashita sensei!! (guy who didn’t watch until the end)