it is kind of strange that basically everything else is sidelined so Ceroba's story can take center stage for the remainder of the pacifist route. while she's a good character who's, as Boss Door said, "competently written", and clearly a lot of thought was put into her, it's still odd how she suddenly becomes the main antagonist, villain, and driving force of the story for the last "act". everything else is kinda cast to the side so Ceroba can suddenly get exposed for having sinister plans and become the big bad. bit of an odd narrative choice
from what i can tell it all happenes cause of few thing her husband die of overwork? *i don't know* , letting her daughter getting injected with some soul essense which that let her having an unknown and cruel fate. and having the mental promise to find the next pure human. kinda messed and and confusing at the same time the late pacifist is where it falls apart
Poor axis man. They suffer the same way mettaton did, being a wacky robot who is used to try and kill the protagonist in an effort to make another character related to the royal scientist more interesting for the player.
The game actually has a lot of flavor text, and kind of hidden stuff that adds to the characters. You can talk to Dalv later in the game if you go back to the snow area, a lot of Dialogue if you talk to Ceroba in different rooms (a feature many seem to miss), you get a scene of Clover dancing if you go to that one dude's club, and a whole lot of stuff that helps endear you to the characters if you go a little out of your way to find it
You can also talk to Martlet when she’s with you as well! I think the game even hints at you going back to previous rooms with Martlet by her dialogue if I remember right
Clovers character is so interesting in genocide, it feels like he has a genuine purpose for doing what he’s doing rather then undertale where the explanation is just “I got board lol”
Starlo is the absolute GOAT of Undertale Yellow and anyone who disagrees is WRONG. Also, I bestow upon you my first UA-cam comment of 2024. Use this information as you will.
Ceroba was always going to be walking on a tightrope, I think. On one hand, you have the narrative up until this point mentioning past events and people who seem to be of interest quite a lot at the beginning, so being introduced to Ceroba, the person who has a lot of connections to this stuff, is logical. On the other, she’s solely reliant on how attached the player gets to her. If you find her annoying, pacifist will feel a lot more drained, and will lack what the devs hoped for. If you like her, the story she has is a tragic one where grief caused a bad decision to haunt her for the rest of her life. In the end, it’s why flawed pacifist exists. You’re the one deciding if it’s justified that she lives or not, despite her bad decisions. She’s not meant to be a good person, she’s meant to be a test of empathy. Whilst more speculative, the three main characters for pacifist seem to represent three different types of justice: justice by law/rules (Martlet, albeit she does sometimes act otherwise), justice by moral compass (Starlo) and justice by vengeance (Ceroba). It’s your job as a general sense of justice to weigh her actions and chose whether or not dying is worth it for her. Morally, it’s wrong, but you are in a place where you can justify killing her by the law. What I’m trying to get across is probably how she’s meant to be interpreted, and seeing her at a certain viewpoint is valid, but it’s also important to open up to the bigger picture to understand her as a whole. (This part is more for other people’s problems with her than your own, though). Whilst my points above do talk about her as a character, it definitely doesn’t mention her execution as one. Most of the time it felt more as if the game was focused on Ceroba than us in the Steamworks, and that we were just mostly there. It’s only when getting to Axis do we really have much spotlight, which is because Ceroba was forcibly removed from the scene, and because most of it is in a battle, anyways. Even after when she comes back, the plot goes straight back to her and Axis being Chujin’s creation, which actually does hurt Axis’s character in my personal opinion, he should’ve gotten more time where he was treated as a person. It would’ve shown more focus to the actual tragic part that Alphys got the job because she made a robot that Mettaton possessed whilst Axis is a genuine creation with those same emotions, and yet got Chujin fired. Surprisingly, I intended for this comment to be moreso about everyone in general, but I think it’s turned into an analysis of Ceroba and her in the plot. I think if we’d have gotten a break, maybe Axis separated us for a short amount of time and we worked with Flowey instead for a while, her character would benefit from that and made her feel more elusive whilst still giving us the needed info. Your points that you made are all pretty much great summary of her, and it’s completely understandable you out her in B tier. My only disagreement is that I don’t like some of her parts in the Wild East, she just seems so passive and doesn’t do anything mostly apart from near the end where she turns her back on Starlo, only to go find him later to check up on both us and him. It’s nice to see some constructive criticism for this game, since I think we’re all in an overly positive hype that hasn’t quite died down yet. See you around sometime, hopefully!
Honestly this is probably the most solid analysis of Ceroba i've seen. So first off, bravo! I feel like it was almost intended that you need to spend so much time with Ceroba because.... [Neutral and pacifist spoilers] You else spend too much time with flowey, which would end up leading to a neutral ending and his ultimate intervention. The idea is in order to avoid a neutral route, you need to isolate yourself from flowey enough to get a different ending. In pacifist, as you said, you get with Ceroba so much that flowey can't touch you anymore. [Genocide spoilers, beware] In Genocide, you straight just shut flowey down as you gradually get control over everything.
Ceroba and Axis seem to fill a very similar roll to alphys and mettaton, but just worse. Both are a duo of robots and characters related to the royal scientist. Both around the same time in their respective games. Axis and mettaton both act as killer robots who chase the player through the different areas while ceroba and alphys more or less commentate, or just solve the issue for you. Alphys and ceroba are also both characters you either love or hate. Alphys is really annoying with her constant phone calls but becomes endearing later on through mettaton as we learn she’s been setting up all the wacky nonsense so we’d like her. Ceroba is the opposite, starts out cool when we meet her in the wild east part of the game, but then she just kinda, stays on screen, once starlo and all the other east characters are gone she remains, and then through her interactions with axis it feels like she’s taking up too much screen time and becoming less cool since she arbitrarily makes up rules on what she should do (ex she starts out wanting to preserve axis, but then blows his arms off, only to go back to asking clover not to break him). It doesn’t help that the previous character major starlo is already fighting for screen time against his gang and ceroba, so in comparison ceroba is around wayyy to long. this has been my grievances with ceroba thank you for coming to my tedtalk.
@@Endyre I see what you mean, but your examples lack substance. Ceroba does not ever want to destroy AXIS though, she only immobilized him because she was completely backed into a corner. During the AXIS fight, you can beat AXIS without critically damaging him to the point that he can't be repaired like you do in neutral and genocide. Also Martlet and Ceroba are more interactive because of their talk dialogue in EVERY room from your C menu, the problem is nobody knows about it...
No Axis? Also, I do think Ceroba is my Biggest gripe with this game, and I think you summed up my problem with her that she kinda just becomes the plot out of nowhere. She's the reason I find the neutral and genocide routes more enjoyable.
Maybe if she was introduced at the beginning of the dunes wandering around, you would be able to get a more slow progression with her character development. I feel like the game should have also added a cue for talk dialogue, because that also tells you a lot about Ceroba's past in the steamworks and makes her character development more gradual.
My personal list: Clover A☘️:Silent but unlike frisk they actualy have some really cutes interactions Dalv A:good character,couldn’t chill harder whit this dude but after the ruins he like never appears again Martlet S:yeah can’t go wrong whit feathers Starlo S:very funny also I like how he appears near and in the end.YEHAWWWWWWWWWW The feisty B:I’m lazy to rank them all individualy El bailador C:dancy boy Decibat:Silent boy Ceroba A :The back story is pretty interesting and her fight too very solid Axis X:”Robots cannot cry I have tried” Your best friend 🌻 A:really like how he sems chill at firts but in the neutral ending DAM they really give all in,o wait he killed matlet F TIER Vending machine F: he was a really meanie 😢 my self steem is destructed
I love how torn the fandom is on Ceroba, reasonably so... On one hand, she's a nice counter to the western themed stuff in the wild east and she does have a pretty tragic backstory. I really did feel comfortable around her in the chaos... On the other, she's introduced very quickly if talk dialogue is not used, which many miss (also reasonably so). I think that there should have been some sort of cue for talk. Despite being an emotional trainwreck, she is really tough and almost unreasonably so...
I get it if you don't consider Decibat a character. But just the fact he fights just for you to shut the fuck up with an awesome theme is enough for me to like.
With Dalv, it’s tricky, since he does pop up again in the mid game, but only if you backtrack to snowdin and you did dark ruins pacifist. Even then, it’s just a few dialogue lines
Ceroba at first i didn't like her she seemed like a side character. but then she kept taging a long, and we learn of her deep and davoted story to save monster kind , you can't help but root for her during her boss fight finding out the truth of her tragic backstory losing everything and falls in to a drepression to save the underground , and continuing to carry on her husbands legacy and avenge her daughter. great character, martlet and ceroba are tied as my favorite character
It's funny how I agree and they're both the final bosses of respective routes. And flowey is my favourite base undertale character and hes the final neutral route boss.
She feels constantly overdone, inconsistent, and her daughter’s fate was… literally her fault and her fault alone. This video’s placement is probably the best placement of the character I’ve seen.
@@insan3giraff39 yeah I think her over done character was on purpose, Flowey actively trys and reminds clover to focus on going to asgore. and clover in turn us get cought up in another persons story , ironicly the genocide run seems to be the run where clovers true story shines
I actually got to appreciate Ceroba a little bit more after I found out that she sends a letter in pacifist, didn't read in game cause I forgot to check in the Hotlands. It kinda gave the same justification for not going to Asgore as she gives you in Pacifist and show some kind of "parental concern" over you. I couldn't stand her guts before that, but, after, I'm a bit more neutral to the character.
My rankings Clover: A - Silent protag you can respect. Dalv: A - A good intro with a character that is a little tragic when you get into the lore of the game. El Bailador: C - Challenging boss for when you encounter him. Also shows up in Hotland as the head of a Dance Club. Martlet: S - In Pacifist, a companion you spend a lot of time with. In Genocide, the hardest boss. She is a good person with flaws that she admits she has. Feisty Five: Collective B - All unique character with their own quirks. Ceroba: S - Im a sucker for a tragic backstory. Plus, her boss fight is killer and you can really understand her motovations. Starlo: S - A monster who sticks to what he knows. Every man may have a breaking point, but he moved past his and became stronger because of it. Flowey: F - Fuck Flowey.
Yeah true. He's like... Yay adventure time character in Undertale and that's it... Also he hearted your comment even tho it said exactly the opposite of his opinions on the tier list lol
I know this video's a few months old now, but speaking as a longtime hobby-writer, I think the broader deal with Ceroba has less to do with her character and more to do with the game's overall pacing. UTY is great, but it does suffer a bit from what I call "Fangame Syndrome", where the early/midgame is well-done, but the later stuff is noticeably less polished (either due to burnout, a desire to just release the game, or plans for future additions/updates). Having just finished a Pacifist run, the Steamworks were my favorite area and I really enjoyed Ceroba's company thanks to all her Talk dialogue; even though I already knew what was going to happen, I really enjoyed her character. However, once you reach the Hotland elevator, the rest of the plot just kinda rushes the rest of the way to the finish line. Everything happens very abruptly, and a lot of information is thrust unto the player, bam-bam-bam. It's still very engaging - the fact that Ceroba's character/storyline hits home for so many people, despite its pacing, speaks to its quality - it just doesn't give the player enough time to digest. The broader problem is that Yellow lacks a true equivalent to UT's final areas. Hotland in UT didn't end with you fighting Mettaton; you just reached the Hotel, with the last couple shops to gear up before entering the CORE, which is a whole "dungeon" unto itself. Even New Home gets a decent amount of screentime, because the Asriel lore is fed to you via random encounters, so you're still doing things in-between 'bites' of exposition. Yellow lacks any sort of final dungeon, and the Ketsukane house isn't big enough to feel satisfying to explore, so there's no time to really let Ceroba's betrayal truly sink in. Hell, she doesn't even betray you, really; she just runs away. If I had to switch things around, you'd deal with Axis via a minigame in the Pacifist route, and then you'd explore a little bit of Hotland with Ceroba, under the guise of going to the Lab. But instead of the Lab, she directs you to someplace out-of-the-way... where she then attacks you as the "boss" of that act. Starlo could come in and interrupt after a while, prompting Ceroba to escape, while you and Marlet explore the Ketsukane estate. I'm not sure what you could use for a "final area" ala the Core, since I don't think New Home would suit that role very well. Regardless, you'd need one more half-an-area or something, before finally getting to the final Ceroba boss fight. ...this comment ended up way longer than I thought it would oops. Food for thought, I guess! :U
Decent chance that a lot of people are already going to leave comments saying this but I figured I should let you know that French Undyne (2:45) actually goes by they/them pronouns and the chipmunk (3:06) is She/Her. Anyways nice video, and btw where would you rate Axis and Chujin? (I honestly think I'd rate them both at S. I just love Axis, and even though Chujin barely gets any actual screen time I just really like his type of character too. Chara is my favorite from the original game so I suppose that checks out.)
I was tired of Axis by the end. He gets a lot of screentime and loves to talk a ton. Was ready for that to be over even if he does have some good moments
Mine: S) Dalv (he looks like an adventure time character, and is rlly funny and stuff) Martlet (i actually like her more than papyrus) Starlo (gotta love the pvz starfruit but now its a sherrif) Ceroba (ppl didnt like her, but i rlly love how we stick around with after entering steamworks, and i like foxes, and trial by fury and mothers love are amazing music themes) and clover (frisk is a joke when how great clover is) A) The big pink guy, Undyne 2 and the squirrel girl C) Hat scarf guy, idk he felt bland and forgatable, great design still tho F) Dancing dude, god i hated his fight, you have to hit the exacr timinv with the Z, and the last attack, is so long and you cant heal.... seriously, and i also hate that his fight is that difficult and annoying, but he only appear out of nowere, and then never again, like he was just supposed to piss you off after the mines. Ik that he appears in hotland later but still, at least i hope they rework his fight
the main reason i'd say pacifist is most likely to be canonical is because of the fact that based on true undertale: Clover HAS to die for the 6th human soul to be present. thus neutral isnt possible as not only does it end with a hard reset from flowey, but also the fact flowey absorbs clover's soul early. genocide wouldnt be canon because clover literally seems to take all the human souls with him as he exits the barrier. that and ASGORE DIES, which would mean frisk would never see asgore (which isnt the case). so yes, pacifist is the most acceptably canon ending for it to collide well with undertale's plot.
Like martlet as a character but I feel like her character design would benefit from being a lot less detailed so it doesn’t feel out of place in the same world as more abstract characters like temmie or the feisty five. I’d say the same applies to Ceroba but to a much higher degree. She has a Japanese aesthetic with no explanation which makes her even more out of place. And like I see a lot of people saying that the story focuses too much on her and I never found her story all that interesting to begin with but that’s just my opinion.
2:44 Just a heads up, Moray is actually canonically non-binary and uses they/them. (The official Undertale Yellow Tumblr blog confirms this in an ask.) Going to give the benefit of the doubt, though, as I didn't realize they were non-binary on my first play-through. (I only realized it when I checked on the prison in my second play-through and saw Martlet refer to Moray as 'they', and then I went to check if they were non-binary and found the official post confirming their identity.)
My actual only reason why I say this list is incomplete is lack of last important character: Axis. Spoilers is not good excuse because explaining Ceroba requires spoilers and she's here, explained. Also Flowey I guess. Edit: Okay, how could I forget Mo? You should also add Mo to this list.
I thought it was confirmed pacifist route was the cannon one? I mean, at genocide we are able to escape and at neutral- actually I don’t remember what happened at the neutral route, but out gun doesn’t end up in the trash
I mean... No one confirmed anything, you just took that directly from your arse, pacifist (or flawed pacifist) are the only ones that lead to Undertale timeline.
i honestly disagree a lot about Ceroba's placement, so let me give my rationale even though i do think the game could have elaborated more i would argue she doesn't really "come out of the blue." sure, Ceroba wasn't a presence from the beginning, but Chujin was hinted at a lot more. upon learning that she was his wife and that Ceroba was widowed, i was invested in her character to get some answers to the whole Chujin fiasco and by God did the game deliver. now, i'm going to bring this up just because i think a lot of my mentality and how other people seemed to be playing through this game parallels Clover's. Clover isn't a silent protagonist, not like in the way Frisk is meant to be an emotionless vessel for the player. it's also suggested in base Undertale that people who climb the mountain don't do so for very happy reasons, and if the note that Clover's not unfamiliar with the living conditions of the Feisty Four is anything to go by, i wouldn't be surprised if Clover went searching for the kids that fell to try and get away from their home life. pacifist-wise, it's not hard to buy that Clover might have gotten sidetracked from what they set out to do and that slowly shifted when you consider how kind the monsters in the Wild East are to them. Flowey himself calls this out and tries to keep nudging Clover along what they sought out to do, but that interest may have fizzled out since they found a much better home with the monsters. when Ceroba wanted to bring Clover along to the lab, they were already distracted enough from the original goal, so they happily tagged along to find out what was going on there. kind of like how it felt to play the game. and it's not like this went completely unacknowledged. Flowey calls this out multiple times, but it doesn't change what happens because Clover's resolve is set in stone. it's a lot like how it felt to play through the game, too. i'll admit though, i do think the game should have leaned into this more in the main story rather than hiding all this info behind shopkeepers and so. i was able to catch all this because i took my time with the game and played pacifist twice in order to see every piece of info the game had to offer. feel free to prove me wrong, but i'm going to assume you didn't notice all this because you sort of just played through the game without thinking twice about catching all the little info and details it had to offer. i played pacifist twice, so i might have clued in more.
heres some quick reminders just to fix a tad bit (not hating btw), "male undyne" is moray and is they/them, and the little squirrel is mooch, and they're a she/her, also give justice to axis, mo, and decibat
Honestly I personally wasn't all that bothered by how quickly Ceroba became the big focus of the pacifist route. So I'd put her in A tier. She was a really intriguing character and I kinda enjoyed learning about her story despite how sudden it was. Though that's probably just a me thing.
i don't know why. but think i'm fine with it Ceroba sinse i did the genocide first, kinda quick and knowing she be on prime. and the flawed pacifist sims like a emotional fate. call me crazy. that is a satisfied conclusion. don't hate her, just filled sympathetic
I think my opinion on UT:Y changed a bit. At first, it felt like a harder version of Undertale with a mid story that I rage quit for being hard, but after revisiting it and finally beating Axis, I can fully say that UT:Y is a great game with a few hiccups and missed opportunities, that without those, would've almost rival Undertale in quality. It just had some very boring and repetitive areas and questionable story decisions for its endings. Ps: Clover is so adorable.
Me seeing Dalv and Starlo in S tier: *happy vampire noises* but for real like Dalv is my number one favorite Undertale Yellow character and Starlo is my second favorite. I tend to fall in love with characters that either people forget about or are underrated. And sadly that is Dalv in a nutshell which sucks because his design is adorable and I love his theme and he is a literal vampire with little horns! So cute! And his lighting attacks are so cool! I managed to do all routes in this game but damn I cried for a long time after killing Dalv and truly felt like well a human...which sucks cause I dislike humans...so yeah...anyway just all in all very happy to see Dalv in S tier!
If I had a nickle for every time you didn't get a character's pronouns correct, I'd have too many nickles. But it's okay, I can tell this is only after a single time playing the game. And this is probably just first impressions. I'd recommend doing a redo of the tier list once you do a deeper dive into the game.
Martlet is overrated. Like, to me, she's the most boring out of all main cast. Her personality is pretty one sided and too basic and I think she, just like Ceroba, gets too much attention. I guess people just like cutesy character? I don't know, to me she's a clear B character imho.
missed: Guardener - B tier hes a fun gardener plant guy but doesnt play as big of a role as the others Axis - A tier hes goofy, hes fun, his chase is cool, just overall a very good mettaton-y character Decibat - B tier cute lil bat guy, you either really annoyed him or made him go to sleep (like sleep not dead)
Pretty much summed up my grips with ceroba. She feels like a side character who just won’t go away. Axis as a character pretty much only exists to further her character in pacifist. Martlet and axis both have connections to Chujin but those are barely touched on in favor of ceroba. I started out primed to hate her because of how cringy eastern inspired characters and the fans of those characters often come off in western media, and her story basically taking over the game really didn’t help.
Is the way you pronounced "Fiesty" a dialect or mistake? I'm used to hearing it pronounced with an I sound rather than an E sound in the first syllable.
It's so clover 😔
Oh my god oh hell nah
That's genius! EVERYONE SHOULD SAY THAT 🤯🤯🤯
@@Kelswagsinandballin they really shouldn't
Nice username.
@@yeezoyoutube oh nvm then
Ed should be S+, his responses to the trolley problem were comedy gold
Yeah a member of the “feasty five”
Hush.
Including Bailador but not Axis is crazy
Real
it is kind of strange that basically everything else is sidelined so Ceroba's story can take center stage for the remainder of the pacifist route. while she's a good character who's, as Boss Door said, "competently written", and clearly a lot of thought was put into her, it's still odd how she suddenly becomes the main antagonist, villain, and driving force of the story for the last "act". everything else is kinda cast to the side so Ceroba can suddenly get exposed for having sinister plans and become the big bad. bit of an odd narrative choice
from what i can tell it all happenes cause of few thing
her husband die of overwork? *i don't know* , letting her daughter getting injected with some soul essense which that let her having an unknown and cruel fate. and having the mental promise to find the next pure human.
kinda messed and and confusing at the same time
the late pacifist is where it falls apart
@@nikoskonstantinidis4069 Chujin died cuz injected with soul essence (he does it to himself)
Poor axis man. They suffer the same way mettaton did, being a wacky robot who is used to try and kill the protagonist in an effort to make another character related to the royal scientist more interesting for the player.
Martlet not in S tier is the biggest crime of this list
At least she still sticks with Clover here as they’re both in the same tier
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@@bossdoorFair point
*El Bailador
“I was just gunna ask you to sell a gun to this child.” - Starlo
The game actually has a lot of flavor text, and kind of hidden stuff that adds to the characters. You can talk to Dalv later in the game if you go back to the snow area, a lot of Dialogue if you talk to Ceroba in different rooms (a feature many seem to miss), you get a scene of Clover dancing if you go to that one dude's club, and a whole lot of stuff that helps endear you to the characters if you go a little out of your way to find it
i found the talk dialogue very interesting and amusing, i used it in almost every room i could just to see what they would say
You can also talk to Martlet when she’s with you as well! I think the game even hints at you going back to previous rooms with Martlet by her dialogue if I remember right
"I just want you to sell a gun to this child!" Yeah no, with lines like THAT there's no way you ain't going into S tier.
Clovers character is so interesting in genocide, it feels like he has a genuine purpose for doing what he’s doing rather then undertale where the explanation is just “I got board lol”
Yeah Since Clover Doesn't Remember Resets He Has A Genuine Reason To Kill The Monsters Instead Of Boredom.
Yup.
Starlo is the absolute GOAT of Undertale Yellow and anyone who disagrees is WRONG.
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His dialogue in the flawed pacifist ending actually hurt my soul
“Let’s give the child a G U N!”
Ceroba was always going to be walking on a tightrope, I think. On one hand, you have the narrative up until this point mentioning past events and people who seem to be of interest quite a lot at the beginning, so being introduced to Ceroba, the person who has a lot of connections to this stuff, is logical. On the other, she’s solely reliant on how attached the player gets to her. If you find her annoying, pacifist will feel a lot more drained, and will lack what the devs hoped for. If you like her, the story she has is a tragic one where grief caused a bad decision to haunt her for the rest of her life. In the end, it’s why flawed pacifist exists. You’re the one deciding if it’s justified that she lives or not, despite her bad decisions.
She’s not meant to be a good person, she’s meant to be a test of empathy. Whilst more speculative, the three main characters for pacifist seem to represent three different types of justice: justice by law/rules (Martlet, albeit she does sometimes act otherwise), justice by moral compass (Starlo) and justice by vengeance (Ceroba). It’s your job as a general sense of justice to weigh her actions and chose whether or not dying is worth it for her. Morally, it’s wrong, but you are in a place where you can justify killing her by the law. What I’m trying to get across is probably how she’s meant to be interpreted, and seeing her at a certain viewpoint is valid, but it’s also important to open up to the bigger picture to understand her as a whole. (This part is more for other people’s problems with her than your own, though).
Whilst my points above do talk about her as a character, it definitely doesn’t mention her execution as one. Most of the time it felt more as if the game was focused on Ceroba than us in the Steamworks, and that we were just mostly there. It’s only when getting to Axis do we really have much spotlight, which is because Ceroba was forcibly removed from the scene, and because most of it is in a battle, anyways. Even after when she comes back, the plot goes straight back to her and Axis being Chujin’s creation, which actually does hurt Axis’s character in my personal opinion, he should’ve gotten more time where he was treated as a person. It would’ve shown more focus to the actual tragic part that Alphys got the job because she made a robot that Mettaton possessed whilst Axis is a genuine creation with those same emotions, and yet got Chujin fired.
Surprisingly, I intended for this comment to be moreso about everyone in general, but I think it’s turned into an analysis of Ceroba and her in the plot. I think if we’d have gotten a break, maybe Axis separated us for a short amount of time and we worked with Flowey instead for a while, her character would benefit from that and made her feel more elusive whilst still giving us the needed info. Your points that you made are all pretty much great summary of her, and it’s completely understandable you out her in B tier. My only disagreement is that I don’t like some of her parts in the Wild East, she just seems so passive and doesn’t do anything mostly apart from near the end where she turns her back on Starlo, only to go find him later to check up on both us and him. It’s nice to see some constructive criticism for this game, since I think we’re all in an overly positive hype that hasn’t quite died down yet. See you around sometime, hopefully!
Honestly this is probably the most solid analysis of Ceroba i've seen. So first off, bravo!
I feel like it was almost intended that you need to spend so much time with Ceroba because.... [Neutral and pacifist spoilers]
You else spend too much time with flowey, which would end up leading to a neutral ending and his ultimate intervention. The idea is in order to avoid a neutral route, you need to isolate yourself from flowey enough to get a different ending. In pacifist, as you said, you get with Ceroba so much that flowey can't touch you anymore.
[Genocide spoilers, beware]
In Genocide, you straight just shut flowey down as you gradually get control over everything.
Ceroba and Axis seem to fill a very similar roll to alphys and mettaton, but just worse. Both are a duo of robots and characters related to the royal scientist. Both around the same time in their respective games. Axis and mettaton both act as killer robots who chase the player through the different areas while ceroba and alphys more or less commentate, or just solve the issue for you. Alphys and ceroba are also both characters you either love or hate. Alphys is really annoying with her constant phone calls but becomes endearing later on through mettaton as we learn she’s been setting up all the wacky nonsense so we’d like her. Ceroba is the opposite, starts out cool when we meet her in the wild east part of the game, but then she just kinda, stays on screen, once starlo and all the other east characters are gone she remains, and then through her interactions with axis it feels like she’s taking up too much screen time and becoming less cool since she arbitrarily makes up rules on what she should do (ex she starts out wanting to preserve axis, but then blows his arms off, only to go back to asking clover not to break him). It doesn’t help that the previous character major starlo is already fighting for screen time against his gang and ceroba, so in comparison ceroba is around wayyy to long. this has been my grievances with ceroba thank you for coming to my tedtalk.
@@Endyre I see what you mean, but your examples lack substance. Ceroba does not ever want to destroy AXIS though, she only immobilized him because she was completely backed into a corner. During the AXIS fight, you can beat AXIS without critically damaging him to the point that he can't be repaired like you do in neutral and genocide.
Also Martlet and Ceroba are more interactive because of their talk dialogue in EVERY room from your C menu, the problem is nobody knows about it...
Martlet is what you get when you put papyrus's love for puzzles and Sans laziness in a furry OC
> Mooch isn't in S tier
It's so Feisty Fover
S tier is too low for Mooch.
Mooch can only be in one tier, the Mooch tier.
s is for starlo
a is for axis
b is for bird
c is for cerob
d is for dalv
f is for flowey
No Axis?
Also, I do think Ceroba is my Biggest gripe with this game, and I think you summed up my problem with her that she kinda just becomes the plot out of nowhere. She's the reason I find the neutral and genocide routes more enjoyable.
Maybe if she was introduced at the beginning of the dunes wandering around, you would be able to get a more slow progression with her character development. I feel like the game should have also added a cue for talk dialogue, because that also tells you a lot about Ceroba's past in the steamworks and makes her character development more gradual.
i love how starlo’s image is straight up just pantamonte’s fanart of him 😭
I'm so sad you haven't said anything about my boy Axis, 😭 😭 ROBOTS ARE PEOPLE TOO!!
He didn't make an appearance, otherwise he'd overshadow the entire cast with his funni behaviour
@@Stephan_Is_RealROBOTS CAN'T CRY I have TRIED
My personal list:
Clover A☘️:Silent but unlike frisk they actualy have some really cutes interactions
Dalv A:good character,couldn’t chill harder whit this dude but after the ruins he like never appears again
Martlet S:yeah can’t go wrong whit feathers
Starlo S:very funny also I like how he appears near and in the end.YEHAWWWWWWWWWW
The feisty B:I’m lazy to rank them all individualy
El bailador C:dancy boy
Decibat:Silent boy
Ceroba A :The back story is pretty interesting and her fight too very solid
Axis X:”Robots cannot cry I have tried”
Your best friend 🌻 A:really like how he sems chill at firts but in the neutral ending DAM they really give all in,o wait he killed matlet F TIER
Vending machine F: he was a really meanie 😢 my self steem is destructed
Very miniscule neutral route spoilers
In neutral, if you go back with the steamworks ID you made, the machine will actually be really nice to you!
@@sebastian4933 funnily when it is mean mode it gives info about axis, but in happy mode it doesnt.
@@shitpostmania6061 interesting, didn't know that!
I love how torn the fandom is on Ceroba, reasonably so...
On one hand, she's a nice counter to the western themed stuff in the wild east and she does have a pretty tragic backstory. I really did feel comfortable around her in the chaos...
On the other, she's introduced very quickly if talk dialogue is not used, which many miss (also reasonably so). I think that there should have been some sort of cue for talk. Despite being an emotional trainwreck, she is really tough and almost unreasonably so...
WHERE IS AXIS
WE NEED AXIS
Dalv is best boy. I love him. I feel like he's underappreciated
I get it if you don't consider Decibat a character. But just the fact he fights just for you to shut the fuck up with an awesome theme is enough for me to like.
Ceroba not in S tier = death I’m sorry
flowey is the best character in the game hes so well depicted
With Dalv, it’s tricky, since he does pop up again in the mid game, but only if you backtrack to snowdin and you did dark ruins pacifist. Even then, it’s just a few dialogue lines
Mooch is female, you can tell when you check up on the gang sleeping
That sounds wrong when you say it like that
I think you need to rephrase that buddy
Ceroba at first i didn't like her she seemed like a side character. but then she kept taging a long, and we learn of her deep and davoted story to save monster kind , you can't help but root for her during her boss fight finding out the truth of her tragic backstory losing everything and falls in to a drepression to save the underground , and continuing to carry on her husbands legacy and avenge her daughter. great character, martlet and ceroba are tied as my favorite character
AGREED
It's funny how I agree and they're both the final bosses of respective routes. And flowey is my favourite base undertale character and hes the final neutral route boss.
She feels constantly overdone, inconsistent, and her daughter’s fate was… literally her fault and her fault alone. This video’s placement is probably the best placement of the character I’ve seen.
@@insan3giraff39 NUH UH
@@insan3giraff39 yeah I think her over done character was on purpose, Flowey actively trys and reminds clover to focus on going to asgore. and clover in turn us get cought up in another persons story , ironicly the genocide run seems to be the run where clovers true story shines
Not sure if you knew, but you’re able to meet Dalv again in Snowdin after clearing it. He’ll be wearing a snow coat, and in the middle of moving in!
dalv and starlo in S is so true though
i was surprised that you didnt include the letters some characters send you, i find that they also give some personallyti to the characters
I actually got to appreciate Ceroba a little bit more after I found out that she sends a letter in pacifist, didn't read in game cause I forgot to check in the Hotlands. It kinda gave the same justification for not going to Asgore as she gives you in Pacifist and show some kind of "parental concern" over you. I couldn't stand her guts before that, but, after, I'm a bit more neutral to the character.
Wheres my main man Mo Money?
We stan for Dalv.
My rankings
Clover: A - Silent protag you can respect.
Dalv: A - A good intro with a character that is a little tragic when you get into the lore of the game.
El Bailador: C - Challenging boss for when you encounter him. Also shows up in Hotland as the head of a Dance Club.
Martlet: S - In Pacifist, a companion you spend a lot of time with. In Genocide, the hardest boss. She is a good person with flaws that she admits she has.
Feisty Five: Collective B - All unique character with their own quirks.
Ceroba: S - Im a sucker for a tragic backstory. Plus, her boss fight is killer and you can really understand her motovations.
Starlo: S - A monster who sticks to what he knows. Every man may have a breaking point, but he moved past his and became stronger because of it.
Flowey: F - Fuck Flowey.
Neutral spoilers
Flowey kills Martlet and she thinks you do it, Flowey is lower than F
I think too that Marlet is S tier
@@jolteongaming3298 I was originally going to put him in Z Tier.
But have all the words in the sentence start with F was too tempting.
@@umbreonmaster8921 fair
What do you think of Decibat and Axis?
Dalv is fine. Hes basically a nothing character with a little neat lore sprinkled in, B at most. Ceroba is A tier minimum
Flowey? Axis? Decibat? Guardener? Mo? Macro Froggit?
Am I the only person who thinks Dalv is kinda mid. I wished that he played a more important role than just a few interactions in the ruins.
Yeah true. He's like... Yay adventure time character in Undertale and that's it...
Also he hearted your comment even tho it said exactly the opposite of his opinions on the tier list lol
I know this video's a few months old now, but speaking as a longtime hobby-writer, I think the broader deal with Ceroba has less to do with her character and more to do with the game's overall pacing. UTY is great, but it does suffer a bit from what I call "Fangame Syndrome", where the early/midgame is well-done, but the later stuff is noticeably less polished (either due to burnout, a desire to just release the game, or plans for future additions/updates).
Having just finished a Pacifist run, the Steamworks were my favorite area and I really enjoyed Ceroba's company thanks to all her Talk dialogue; even though I already knew what was going to happen, I really enjoyed her character. However, once you reach the Hotland elevator, the rest of the plot just kinda rushes the rest of the way to the finish line. Everything happens very abruptly, and a lot of information is thrust unto the player, bam-bam-bam. It's still very engaging - the fact that Ceroba's character/storyline hits home for so many people, despite its pacing, speaks to its quality - it just doesn't give the player enough time to digest.
The broader problem is that Yellow lacks a true equivalent to UT's final areas. Hotland in UT didn't end with you fighting Mettaton; you just reached the Hotel, with the last couple shops to gear up before entering the CORE, which is a whole "dungeon" unto itself. Even New Home gets a decent amount of screentime, because the Asriel lore is fed to you via random encounters, so you're still doing things in-between 'bites' of exposition. Yellow lacks any sort of final dungeon, and the Ketsukane house isn't big enough to feel satisfying to explore, so there's no time to really let Ceroba's betrayal truly sink in. Hell, she doesn't even betray you, really; she just runs away.
If I had to switch things around, you'd deal with Axis via a minigame in the Pacifist route, and then you'd explore a little bit of Hotland with Ceroba, under the guise of going to the Lab. But instead of the Lab, she directs you to someplace out-of-the-way... where she then attacks you as the "boss" of that act. Starlo could come in and interrupt after a while, prompting Ceroba to escape, while you and Marlet explore the Ketsukane estate.
I'm not sure what you could use for a "final area" ala the Core, since I don't think New Home would suit that role very well. Regardless, you'd need one more half-an-area or something, before finally getting to the final Ceroba boss fight.
...this comment ended up way longer than I thought it would oops. Food for thought, I guess! :U
Decent chance that a lot of people are already going to leave comments saying this but I figured I should let you know that French Undyne (2:45) actually goes by they/them pronouns and the chipmunk (3:06) is She/Her. Anyways nice video, and btw where would you rate Axis and Chujin? (I honestly think I'd rate them both at S. I just love Axis, and even though Chujin barely gets any actual screen time I just really like his type of character too. Chara is my favorite from the original game so I suppose that checks out.)
I was tired of Axis by the end. He gets a lot of screentime and loves to talk a ton. Was ready for that to be over even if he does have some good moments
Mine:
S) Dalv (he looks like an adventure time character, and is rlly funny and stuff) Martlet (i actually like her more than papyrus) Starlo (gotta love the pvz starfruit but now its a sherrif) Ceroba (ppl didnt like her, but i rlly love how we stick around with after entering steamworks, and i like foxes, and trial by fury and mothers love are amazing music themes) and clover (frisk is a joke when how great clover is)
A) The big pink guy, Undyne 2 and the squirrel girl
C) Hat scarf guy, idk he felt bland and forgatable, great design still tho
F) Dancing dude, god i hated his fight, you have to hit the exacr timinv with the Z, and the last attack, is so long and you cant heal.... seriously, and i also hate that his fight is that difficult and annoying, but he only appear out of nowere, and then never again, like he was just supposed to piss you off after the mines. Ik that he appears in hotland later but still, at least i hope they rework his fight
Mooch deserves to be on the highest of tiers, the Mooch tier, not just C
El Bailador is the easiest S of my life and you not recognizing that is a crime
Sorry fren
@@bossdoorwe’re reporting you to federal agents
the main reason i'd say pacifist is most likely to be canonical is because of the fact that based on true undertale: Clover HAS to die for the 6th human soul to be present. thus neutral isnt possible as not only does it end with a hard reset from flowey, but also the fact flowey absorbs clover's soul early.
genocide wouldnt be canon because clover literally seems to take all the human souls with him as he exits the barrier. that and ASGORE DIES, which would mean frisk would never see asgore (which isnt the case).
so yes, pacifist is the most acceptably canon ending for it to collide well with undertale's plot.
Like martlet as a character but I feel like her character design would benefit from being a lot less detailed so it doesn’t feel out of place in the same world as more abstract characters like temmie or the feisty five.
I’d say the same applies to Ceroba but to a much higher degree. She has a Japanese aesthetic with no explanation which makes her even more out of place. And like I see a lot of people saying that the story focuses too much on her and I never found her story all that interesting to begin with but that’s just my opinion.
2:44 Just a heads up, Moray is actually canonically non-binary and uses they/them.
(The official Undertale Yellow Tumblr blog confirms this in an ask.)
Going to give the benefit of the doubt, though, as I didn't realize they were non-binary on my first play-through.
(I only realized it when I checked on the prison in my second play-through and saw Martlet refer to Moray as 'they', and then I went to check if they were non-binary and found the official post confirming their identity.)
Why Moray(French Undyne) is my favourite character? Because of animations? Because them has a SWORD?
My actual only reason why I say this list is incomplete is lack of last important character: Axis. Spoilers is not good excuse because explaining Ceroba requires spoilers and she's here, explained. Also Flowey I guess. Edit: Okay, how could I forget Mo? You should also add Mo to this list.
Bossdoor in this video-
Moray: "He"
Clover: "He"
Mooch: "He"
💀
(/lighthearted)
Feesty five😔
I thought it was confirmed pacifist route was the cannon one? I mean, at genocide we are able to escape and at neutral- actually I don’t remember what happened at the neutral route, but out gun doesn’t end up in the trash
Neutral isn't even an ending, because it ends with Flowey doing a reset
I mean... No one confirmed anything, you just took that directly from your arse, pacifist (or flawed pacifist) are the only ones that lead to Undertale timeline.
Clover is called they/them in-game for what I remember from my playthrough
Edit: the fish "boy" is non binary
Edit 2: the squirrel is a she
Clover uses any pronouns
@@GoogleAccount-ox6em bro I didn't finish the game yet
i honestly disagree a lot about Ceroba's placement, so let me give my rationale even though i do think the game could have elaborated more
i would argue she doesn't really "come out of the blue." sure, Ceroba wasn't a presence from the beginning, but Chujin was hinted at a lot more. upon learning that she was his wife and that Ceroba was widowed, i was invested in her character to get some answers to the whole Chujin fiasco and by God did the game deliver.
now, i'm going to bring this up just because i think a lot of my mentality and how other people seemed to be playing through this game parallels Clover's.
Clover isn't a silent protagonist, not like in the way Frisk is meant to be an emotionless vessel for the player. it's also suggested in base Undertale that people who climb the mountain don't do so for very happy reasons, and if the note that Clover's not unfamiliar with the living conditions of the Feisty Four is anything to go by, i wouldn't be surprised if Clover went searching for the kids that fell to try and get away from their home life.
pacifist-wise, it's not hard to buy that Clover might have gotten sidetracked from what they set out to do and that slowly shifted when you consider how kind the monsters in the Wild East are to them. Flowey himself calls this out and tries to keep nudging Clover along what they sought out to do, but that interest may have fizzled out since they found a much better home with the monsters.
when Ceroba wanted to bring Clover along to the lab, they were already distracted enough from the original goal, so they happily tagged along to find out what was going on there. kind of like how it felt to play the game.
and it's not like this went completely unacknowledged. Flowey calls this out multiple times, but it doesn't change what happens because Clover's resolve is set in stone. it's a lot like how it felt to play through the game, too.
i'll admit though, i do think the game should have leaned into this more in the main story rather than hiding all this info behind shopkeepers and so. i was able to catch all this because i took my time with the game and played pacifist twice in order to see every piece of info the game had to offer.
feel free to prove me wrong, but i'm going to assume you didn't notice all this because you sort of just played through the game without thinking twice about catching all the little info and details it had to offer. i played pacifist twice, so i might have clued in more.
He called Moray and Mooch "guys", okay, Moray i can let slid but dayum, Mooch?
heres some quick reminders just to fix a tad bit (not hating btw), "male undyne" is moray and is they/them, and the little squirrel is mooch, and they're a she/her, also give justice to axis, mo, and decibat
Don't forget Decibat!
Never said he was a nail.
@@bossdoor male undyne
2:44
@@bossdoor whoops i heard nail
@bossdoor If you think about about it, their sword is basically a giant nail
Honestly I personally wasn't all that bothered by how quickly Ceroba became the big focus of the pacifist route. So I'd put her in A tier. She was a really intriguing character and I kinda enjoyed learning about her story despite how sudden it was. Though that's probably just a me thing.
i don't know why. but think i'm fine with it Ceroba sinse i did the genocide first, kinda quick and knowing she be on prime. and the flawed pacifist sims like a emotional fate.
call me crazy. that is a satisfied conclusion. don't hate her, just filled sympathetic
My brother had nightmares from that bird bro he says that he hates her and that shes a drug addict
LETS GO GAMERS CLOVER IN A AND DALV IN S TIER RIGHTFULLY SO
“Dalv’s a cute dude” TRUE
Martlet should be S+ tier
I think my opinion on UT:Y changed a bit. At first, it felt like a harder version of Undertale with a mid story that I rage quit for being hard, but after revisiting it and finally beating Axis, I can fully say that UT:Y is a great game with a few hiccups and missed opportunities, that without those, would've almost rival Undertale in quality. It just had some very boring and repetitive areas and questionable story decisions for its endings.
Ps: Clover is so adorable.
Happy new year buddy ( idk if it's still 2023 in your country )
Shame on you for not including the best character in the game by far. Mo.
5:20 corn yaoi in S… corn yaoi in S…
(p.s. corn yaoi is the fandom name for the ship between starlo and dalv :)!
Birb.
Fabulous video hun
Tf
@@bossdoor oh shi- 🪦
Me seeing Dalv and Starlo in S tier: *happy vampire noises* but for real like Dalv is my number one favorite Undertale Yellow character and Starlo is my second favorite. I tend to fall in love with characters that either people forget about or are underrated. And sadly that is Dalv in a nutshell which sucks because his design is adorable and I love his theme and he is a literal vampire with little horns! So cute! And his lighting attacks are so cool! I managed to do all routes in this game but damn I cried for a long time after killing Dalv and truly felt like well a human...which sucks cause I dislike humans...so yeah...anyway just all in all very happy to see Dalv in S tier!
How can epic anime fox be only on B tier and why Mooch isn't on Mooch tier (the best tier of them all)... Also, wher Decibat and Axis
This is a pretty w opinion
where axis
Still need to finish the game
"Ugh I like the squirrel" I struggle to contribute
WH- WHERE THE HECK IS [[Axis model 14 ready to protect and serve!]] THAT IS JUST [[CRUEL]] !!!
Axis needs to be on this list man
If I had a nickle for every time you didn't get a character's pronouns correct, I'd have too many nickles. But it's okay, I can tell this is only after a single time playing the game. And this is probably just first impressions. I'd recommend doing a redo of the tier list once you do a deeper dive into the game.
2:45 aren’t they nonbinary?
Martlet is the fursona of Bianca from Pokémon black and white
CEROBA IS S BRUH
feasty 5
Crap I did pronounce it that way didn't I lmao
Dalv is the goat 🐐
I mean clover talks like he's got cannon dialogue
While a good majority of the fandom says Clover is male in UTY in Grouptale he is female and a relative to the Kindness SOUL.
For a second I thought you said Starlo so I was confused like crazy lol
Uuuh where proof
@@vencedor1774 got to Ihatefridays' deviantart account with the same name
But it's not Clover in grouptale...?
@@sheogorath6834 She just has the same name as he does besides Grouptale was created around UTY's 7 year long development
I'd put Clover, Dalv, Martlet, Mo and Axis all in S tier.
Starlo and Ceroba in S+ tier.
Martlet is overrated. Like, to me, she's the most boring out of all main cast. Her personality is pretty one sided and too basic and I think she, just like Ceroba, gets too much attention. I guess people just like cutesy character? I don't know, to me she's a clear B character imho.
i agree
“Most boring” Yeah… but no. are you ever gonna take on her?
missed:
Guardener - B tier
hes a fun gardener plant guy but doesnt play as big of a role as the others
Axis - A tier
hes goofy, hes fun, his chase is cool, just overall a very good mettaton-y character
Decibat - B tier
cute lil bat guy, you either really annoyed him or made him go to sleep (like sleep not dead)
@alfiebell5032 i dont know alot about him so i didnt do him :(
*"fisty"
*Proceeds to misgender half of the cast.
*"Wild _west_ "
*Doesn't include half of the characters
*Refuses to elaborate
*Leaves
where is axis and mo???
Next time
feasty five is crazy
Where is Macro froggit? Where is Axis?
Decent tier list, but for one, it's pronounced F EYE sty five, not feast e five. Also, Moray & Mooch are girls.
great tierlist
excuse me how the fuck did you pronounce the word Feisty?
Feasty.
Fies-tee
No S Martlet? 🤧💔
you forgot like half the characters dawg!!!
Where is the bat, the gardener bot and Axis?
I’ll make another one
Nice.
Pretty much summed up my grips with ceroba. She feels like a side character who just won’t go away. Axis as a character pretty much only exists to further her character in pacifist. Martlet and axis both have connections to Chujin but those are barely touched on in favor of ceroba. I started out primed to hate her because of how cringy eastern inspired characters and the fans of those characters often come off in western media, and her story basically taking over the game really didn’t help.
It really was clover's story in a way I really appreciated.
And where's my boy Mo?
İ didnt watch it yet but im expecting Starlo in S
where’s axis 😔😔💔
I'll probably make another one with him
Is the way you pronounced "Fiesty" a dialect or mistake? I'm used to hearing it pronounced with an I sound rather than an E sound in the first syllable.
It's a regional dialect. Mmmmnn steamed hams
What about decibat
Moray my beloved-