@@memezabelle I think it's unavoidable but regardless this seems to be a decent aggressive moveset too. Makes it easier for both parties, even if one is significantly suckier than the other
I wish they would’ve based Sonic’s kit more on Sonic Battle, but apparently it’s based on Virtua Fighter moves. Probably part of the reason he’s not as fun as he could be.
I agree people would like this moveset more. I think people would like playing against him even less, this version is just as speedy and elusive and now has like twenty more ways to kill you from half stage in an instant.
The problem with Sonic is, his pure speed encourages camping. He needs it for feeling like him, but it allows for him to get a kill and time out. You can give him the easiest, sickest combos in the world, but why go for them when they can't hit you and camping is free?
On the topic of how side-B ignores shields - that’s actually a reference from the home series. For those not that into Sonic, there was a series of games usually called the “boost era” or “boost formula.” Games like Sonic Unleashed, Sonic Colors, and Sonic Forces have a Boost Meter that can be charged up and expended for a burst of speed. One of the main traits of the boost was that it allowed Sonic to plow through enemies, ignoring most defenses. I do have to admit that the Boost move in this mod is a bit strong. Maybe tie the special to a meter, and the move loses distance, power, and the shield-ignoring property if the meter isn’t full enough.
@@lefeeshchopped8286 I don’t really think Frontiers counts as the boost formula - the majority of the game is open-world, not linear levels, and the boost isn’t as impactful.
As a Sonic main I can confirm that his moveset *needs* a rework like this. I’ve mained the guy since Brawl and have *literally* been waiting for his side-b to become the Light Speed Dash since I learned why it wasn’t already -time constraints adding him to the game- so I’m so happy seeing this! 🤩 Why didn’t this mod return the “you’re too slow!” taunt though? It was so awesome…
I always wonder why they never gave sonic at least a different side special or literally one new character or stage that isn’t green hill again. I’m convinced sakurai hates sonic or something
Sonic is one of my favorite game series and characters ever, and to see his representation in Smash suck so thoroughly, not just in moveset but in music, stages, etc, makes me so sad.
i want to get into sonic, but i haven't really enjoyed any of the games i've tried. he's a really cool character though and i hate how they did him in smash.
@@kittyratrawr You know how Sonic boss fights are about avoiding there attacks until they expose a weak point??? That’s exactly how Sonic works in Smash. There’s a difference between Sonic levels vs Sonic boss fights. The good news is that Sonic in Mob Smash can clear it in less than 2: 30 minutes.
@@amberknight7301 That is so true. Especially since you can use Side B all you want both on the ground and air. Wait until the Sonics time you out by going to the edge of the stage on the last few seconds.
Some moves translate better than others but wow I like that down smash (combo finisher from Sonic Battle). The ending handstand is so well done. I don’t think the back throw buff (that angle is DISGUSTING) or the unshieldable side b were necessary.
@InfernapeFan1228 ah you're right. Been a while since I played the game. If I remember correctly you can also skip the combo and do the launcher straight up right?
My idea for improving Sonic is reward him for getting a bunch of consecutive hits, and nerf him if he hasn’t landed one in a while. Like, Lucario without aura levels of nerfed lol. This, on top of any moveset changes, would encourage Sonic players to still be actually going in and fighting instead of running away, and encourage learning good combo strings, without having to nerf his speed or his moves themselves. It would thus kinda play into a “momentum” idea and could even use a meter to show how well you were doing
I honestly think making a boost gauge for sonic would help balance this mod a lot. Another video talked about how to improve sonic and they talked about a boost gauge. I think attacking and making a chain combo would fill the gauge up a certain amount. Many attacks that use his speed, like for instance in this mod, his side B. A bit of the gauge would be used. That way it requires players to get up close and personal in order to stay alive. I think that this gauge would deplete his side B, his sprint, and maybe his ultimate could have a damage boost for how much gauge you have. Though having a full gauge and using his ultimate would slow him considerably for around 5 seconds. Maybe he would move as fast as a heavy character like ganon or bowser while sprinting. These are ideas from someone who knows nothing about balancing. so give me some ideas
Another cool detail you didn’t mention. After a successful Homing-Attack, Sonic strikes a quick cool pose like he does in most of his Boost-Era games. Also Nick, actually that pose is from Sonic Adventure 1 not SA2 🤓
This is a really sick mod. There are some changes that I really hope get added to the next Smash game, like the Down Smash, F-Air, and Up B. But there are some weird things about this mod as well. His Jab is just fine, kind of surprised his Dash Attack isn't his Slide from any Modern Sonic game, his Up Smash just feels weird, and his other new aerials are cool, but not what I expected. I was kind of hoping to see the original Up Air and B-Air, and the N-Air and D-Air do feel like they could be other moves. Really not a big fan of the D-Air, as it's just Palutena's. Kind of wish they were the Insta-Sheild from Sonic 3 and the Stomp ability that's also in a lot of Sonic games. The Side B is also a little janky, but I think it works perfectly fine. Maybe don't make it ignore sheild and intangible, but otherwise, it's fine. And the taunts at the end of the Homing Attack are really nice additions. Overall, I'd say it's a pretty solid mod. A little bit of touching up on the animations could be used, but it's really clean in it's present state.
Despite some slight tweaking that’s most definitely needed to make him balanced, this is by far one of the best mods for Ultimate and the greatest playable Sonic in a smash game (imo)
Honestly, even though everyone is saying to give Sonic a meter, I'd rather have Boost be chargeable. Basically the Super Peel Out but with a hit box. To help balance it out, we'll let Sonic Angle the height only slightly. And I'd make Boost break shields instead of ignore them, encouraging players to come back to their opponents for more. Essentially: - Pre: A light dash - Half: A farther dash - Full: Burst Attack Another move I'd change is Homing Attack. Make it a grapple move that allows Sonic to kick opponents in any direction. While it charges, players can press A instead to use a basic attack. I'd also love to see the Bounce added into the moveset by pressing A while charging Down B (Spindash). Anyways, this comment is meant for the devs/modders.
@@FroggSocks I didn't mean that in a negative way, I'm just saying. It WOULD be nice if most/all of them got like move set reworks or whatever but unless we get like a new Smash team, that's a possibility that's endlessly out of this world, sadly.
I had a concept before for an overhaul to Link's moveset to better represent Breath of the Wild, though, now that Tears of the Kingdom is out, any rework would likely draw from that instead.
This Sonic is pretty awsome! A few change I would make: - Boost can only be performed *once* mid-air and has a cooldown as to avoid spamming it Additionally, make it so it takes a lot of shield durability instead of ignoring it altogether. - fix up trow animation, its weird as hell. - change a few effects (boost for example) - revert up special. Giving it a hitbox is too much.
This version of Sonic would probably be the best character in the game. Not only can he camp you (even better now that his b throw kills easier and side b ignores shields and you can spam it) he also can play more aggressive and not suffer for it.
Sonic is a character that I felt needed a rework because he don't really represent or feel like Sonic that well. I mean if I'm not mistaken they have nothing that represents modern Sonic games in his actual moveset, and two moves that are just spindash because he was rushed in brawl, however they never change that for some reason. And on the feel side Sonic should be a character that would be constantly in-your-face, being able to dish out cool combos while using his excellent agility to his advantage to close the gap and start applying pressure. In fighting game terms he should be a rush down character.
Glad you're back from holiday. I wholeheartedly agree that Sonic needs a new moveset, but seeing this satisfies me, especially seeing that f-air from Sonic Battle among others. If only this was in the actual game.
Such a shame when devs rely on passionate fans to do a better job. In this case, why didn't Nintendo take inspiration for Sonic's moves from past games? This moveset is much better than I thought it would be.
@@SonicntZane yeah, the whole point of smash bros is to advertise the different franchises in Nintendo’s arsenal, while Sonic isn’t a Nintendo IP, he still has games on the switch, people still buy smash bros for Sonic, Nintendo still makes money because of him, so I doubt they would have a problem with fully representing Sonic, it’s just because Sakurai hates creating new movesets for characters because he’s afraid that the new moveset would alienate players, and he made Sonic’s moveset in 2008, with the only games he took for reference being the classic games, Sonic 06, and Sonic the fighters
This is the best sonic moveset I've seen implemented in a mod so far, the only moves that I don't like are neutral air, down air and up throw but other than that, it's almost perfect. Of course it's extremely broken but with proper balancing this could be the perfect rework that sonic needs
I would love to tell the modder in person that this is the greated Sonic Moveset Revamp EVER. Why isn't this is actual moveset (or at least Side B and Down Smash.)
@@breakeranimation4146He's not as fun ngl. Smash Bros Crusade, Project HDR, and this mod really nailed Sonic's moveset imo. Edit: I just realized that he would be more campier with this new moveset...well, this mod is still a work in progress so they'll obviously nerf some stuff to make him less campy and more of a rush down, glass canon character.
I wonder what would Sonic be ranked at on the official tier list with this mod. He is 4th place on it behind Joker, Pyra/Mythra and Steve on the official tier list. So what do you guys think he'd be ranked at with this mod? Or would he still be ranked number 4?
@@RobbertRobbert12345 See, that’s the point! I don’t like him being all campy and all that shit. Like look at how competitive players are using him in the game. Like really? That’s all what they do? Just run away from the opponent while mostly using his side B and/or down B on occasion? He ain’t a coward, man. No wonder why he’s lame in Smash. (Well, at least it’s only because his vanilla moveset.) Speaking as a person who’s actually played his games and knows what he’s actually capable of doing in them apart from spin dashing.
Despite Sonic being much more fun to play around with and given that extra dev time he deserved from being a rushed brawl inclusion, I do agree the boost is broken, you should only be able to do it once in the air but if Sonic is edge guarded he can keep trying to come back, I know everyone may not like this but I propose a boost meter so it’s not mindless braindead spamming and the boost always had a meter in Sonic Games. Aside from that love that bouncing off the spring for up b now has a hit box with a new animation of him spinning around, the Battle moves fit him like a glove, the new idle animation is cool and man that SA1 Taunt really feels like it could’ve been in the vanilla game.
A more balanced version of this Sonic would be TOTALLY awesome to have in the official vanilla version of the game, and I would totally unironically main Sonic if he was like this. Sakurai, TAKE NOTES!!!!
Tbh the spin dash sd is so common for people who are bad at sonic that only camp because people when they camp as sonic they are bad at sonic because they don’t learn his moves and combos and even sonic main do the classic spin dash sd
Im still triggered that the reason why They are keeping sonic moveset like this is because people will be put off by his moveset even though all they need to do is change some some of his moves and not all of them 🥲
I know people don't think sonic is cool, and I don't even main/play him alot, but when I do he's super duper fun if you don't play like a naughty camper
This ^ It's actually funny reading the comments where everyone is just saying how sick it is. Just sheep agreeing with what ever the men on screen said
@@rizvan1632 Oh no, someone disagrees with you and agrees with the authors. That can only mean they are sheep and couldn't possibly have their own opinions! /s
The modder definitely went a liiittle too hard on the damage, but they also went CRAZY on the animations, I loved this. Good lookin' fuckin' shit, hats off.
Thats not gonna happen and besides they didn't even mind to change Ganon's moveset to become good character. They didn't even let Mario use Cappy as a attack and Megaman use his double gear system from MM11
Another solution would be to give Sonic his Frontiers moveset. Change Homing Attack to Homing Shot (It would do slightly less damage but to make up for it, it has a reduced start up and there are ten homing attacks. If you saw the actual move you would get it). Make side b Quick Cyloop (Sonic charges forward while activating the Cyloop ability. If he uses the Cyloop on someone they are damaged and propelled straight up. It can also break shields easily). Make up b Looping Kick and make it like Meta Knights. And make down b Grand Slam and have it be a counter move (Even from projectiles) And also give him a Phantom Rush mechanic. (This would be a meter that builds up the more Sonic deals damage. Once it fills Phantom Rush activates. Sonic will do more damage but only if he keeps the Phantom Rush bar up.)
Oh Dang these guys Really don’t know Sonic (Fan of both Channels btw, mostly TCNick3) I don’t know all of em but NAir is Advance 2’s Spin SSpecial is Boost from the recent Games (no meter though, surprisingly) FAir is Sonic Battle DAir is based on the Render (Kinda Obvious, Ik) and the Jumpball is Designed more Closely to Sonic Heroes, where they had a Similar aura on Jump and Spinballs Edit: UTaunt is Advance 1 Reference, DTaunt is Sonic Adventure ONE reference Edit 2: Jab and DSmash are also from Battle BThrow is from Sonic the Fighters UAir might be Sonic’s old UAir from Brawl? Edit 3: Forgotta mention in the Last Edit: Dash Attack is the same as Advance 2 as far as I can Tell Edit 4: Also forgot to mention the USpecial animation Change is based on his Spring Sprite in the Classic Games Edit 5: Actually, I think the Idle is also from Sonic the Fighters
If you look closely, you can see that in the last match, Jordan is wearing the edgy coloured shirt to match his edgy Sonic and Nick is wearing his classic blue Sonic colour. It was meant to be.
@@RoninCatholicyeah, but I was expecting the type of hitbox that would launch the enemy away and doing like 1% of damage (which would still be broken), but this is just insane.
Sonic as he normally is is necessary for the game’s balancing. You may not like him, but that probably means you main a character that requires constant use of the B button. That’s your counter. Pick a different character and I’ll switch it up too
I hate it when mods change things just for the sake of changing things. Yea, a lot of Sonic's ball moves need to be changed, but what's wrong with Sonic's back air or up air or forward air or down air?
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This wouldn't stop Sonic from camping, actually this new moveset might make it even easier to camp because you can now go under the stage for free.
Tbf you already could in vanilla
@@LucasDanielCab5 yes you could be it took some skill now a newbie can do it with any practice
id feel like id be impossible to not camp with sonic with whatever moveset you give him
If you WANT to camp and ruin sonics reputation but yeah
@@memezabelle I think it's unavoidable but regardless this seems to be a decent aggressive moveset too. Makes it easier for both parties, even if one is significantly suckier than the other
What I love about this mod is that a lot of the moves from Sonic Battle, an old game for the GBA and it brings back memories lol
this makes me so damn happy catching all the references to battle im GIDDY over here
I wish they would’ve based Sonic’s kit more on Sonic Battle, but apparently it’s based on Virtua Fighter moves. Probably part of the reason he’s not as fun as he could be.
honestly, I'm not gonna lie, sonic battle is one of my favorite sonic games to date
I agree people would like this moveset more. I think people would like playing against him even less, this version is just as speedy and elusive and now has like twenty more ways to kill you from half stage in an instant.
Yeah, this mod definitely doesn't look balanced, but it would be awesome if they worked on making it better in that regard.
The problem with Sonic is, his pure speed encourages camping. He needs it for feeling like him, but it allows for him to get a kill and time out.
You can give him the easiest, sickest combos in the world, but why go for them when they can't hit you and camping is free?
On the topic of how side-B ignores shields - that’s actually a reference from the home series. For those not that into Sonic, there was a series of games usually called the “boost era” or “boost formula.” Games like Sonic Unleashed, Sonic Colors, and Sonic Forces have a Boost Meter that can be charged up and expended for a burst of speed. One of the main traits of the boost was that it allowed Sonic to plow through enemies, ignoring most defenses.
I do have to admit that the Boost move in this mod is a bit strong. Maybe tie the special to a meter, and the move loses distance, power, and the shield-ignoring property if the meter isn’t full enough.
Or just make it that if dont go though projest tiles and be used on the air 1 time
@@Hipnopoleon Yeah, that's more faithful to how only 1 air boost can be done in the boost games
Was? The boost era still isn't technically over, it just didn't do damage in Frontiers
@@lefeeshchopped8286 I don’t really think Frontiers counts as the boost formula - the majority of the game is open-world, not linear levels, and the boost isn’t as impactful.
@@xraenon1664 Yeah ok that makes sense. It has the boost, but it isn't the boost formula.
As a Sonic main I can confirm that his moveset *needs* a rework like this. I’ve mained the guy since Brawl and have *literally* been waiting for his side-b to become the Light Speed Dash since I learned why it wasn’t already -time constraints adding him to the game- so I’m so happy seeing this! 🤩
Why didn’t this mod return the “you’re too slow!” taunt though? It was so awesome…
Prolly cause they didn't change his voice. The VA in brawl and smash 4 are different.
There’s mods for that. This mod supports mods like type g, modern sonic with Ryan’s voice, and heroes sonic with classic Dreamcast voice
@@Jay-mx5kyWell I found a mod with newer voiceclips of Sonic's current VA ripped from other Sonic media even it has the "you're too slow" voice clip
I always wonder why they never gave sonic at least a different side special or literally one new character or stage that isn’t green hill again. I’m convinced sakurai hates sonic or something
@@MJGaming57_REAL Idk
I die inside a little more every time he says the SA1 pose is from SA2 💀
Technically he does the pose in the sa2 battle intro cutscene
But I get what you're saying
@@SparxGames22 He doesn't
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well maybe you can start crying too so maybe somebody will start to give a shit
It's not the same pose so, no
Sonic is one of my favorite game series and characters ever, and to see his representation in Smash suck so thoroughly, not just in moveset but in music, stages, etc, makes me so sad.
i want to get into sonic, but i haven't really enjoyed any of the games i've tried. he's a really cool character though and i hate how they did him in smash.
@@kittyratrawrWhat kinda game have you tried? It’s weird to see someone have such opinion, liking the characters but not liking their games
@@kittyratrawr You know how Sonic boss fights are about avoiding there attacks until they expose a weak point??? That’s exactly how Sonic works in Smash.
There’s a difference between Sonic levels vs Sonic boss fights.
The good news is that Sonic in Mob Smash can clear it in less than 2: 30 minutes.
@orangeslah1667 frontiers
They made him cooler and also more broken than he already is 💀
But he's broken and more AGGRESSIVE, so it's fine
@@DarkAura19 You can 100% camp even harder with this Sonic, so you can play campy and if your opponent chases you, you can blow them up.
@@amberknight7301 That is so true. Especially since you can use Side B all you want both on the ground and air. Wait until the Sonics time you out by going to the edge of the stage on the last few seconds.
Bro might be better than the DLC fighter pass 2 characters now
@aydenthehedgefox9592 you might be right.
Some moves translate better than others but wow I like that down smash (combo finisher from Sonic Battle). The ending handstand is so well done.
I don’t think the back throw buff (that angle is DISGUSTING) or the unshieldable side b were necessary.
It was actually his launcher in Sonic Battle. Which makes a lot of sense for a dsmash.
@@Jay-mx5ky The launcher is the combo finisher, if you just mash the attack button it does the launch attack after the three jabs
@InfernapeFan1228 ah you're right. Been a while since I played the game. If I remember correctly you can also skip the combo and do the launcher straight up right?
My idea for improving Sonic is reward him for getting a bunch of consecutive hits, and nerf him if he hasn’t landed one in a while. Like, Lucario without aura levels of nerfed lol. This, on top of any moveset changes, would encourage Sonic players to still be actually going in and fighting instead of running away, and encourage learning good combo strings, without having to nerf his speed or his moves themselves. It would thus kinda play into a “momentum” idea and could even use a meter to show how well you were doing
Kinda like phantom rush from sonic frontiers right?
Bro called the SA1 pose an “SA2 pose” 💀
I thought nobody would hear him say that. thank you...
2:06 Nick: "Sonic Adventure *Too!"*
Sonic Fans: *start to be mad*
Actually, as a sonic fan I kinda found that funny ngl
I honestly think making a boost gauge for sonic would help balance this mod a lot. Another video talked about how to improve sonic and they talked about a boost gauge. I think attacking and making a chain combo would fill the gauge up a certain amount. Many attacks that use his speed, like for instance in this mod, his side B. A bit of the gauge would be used. That way it requires players to get up close and personal in order to stay alive. I think that this gauge would deplete his side B, his sprint, and maybe his ultimate could have a damage boost for how much gauge you have. Though having a full gauge and using his ultimate would slow him considerably for around 5 seconds. Maybe he would move as fast as a heavy character like ganon or bowser while sprinting. These are ideas from someone who knows nothing about balancing. so give me some ideas
Another cool detail you didn’t mention. After a successful Homing-Attack, Sonic strikes a quick cool pose like he does in most of his Boost-Era games.
Also Nick, actually that pose is from Sonic Adventure 1 not SA2 🤓
He Said "Too"
If Sonic was $5.99
Fr man😊
I would unironically try some sonic if he was like this
I'd main him all the time if he was like this.
Do you know what the mod is called
I'd actually main him if he was like this
@@TheBoltMaster456 I found the mod he is fun but too op
@@Wolfpack_-gp5ij just some balancing needed and he'd be perfect
This is a really sick mod. There are some changes that I really hope get added to the next Smash game, like the Down Smash, F-Air, and Up B. But there are some weird things about this mod as well. His Jab is just fine, kind of surprised his Dash Attack isn't his Slide from any Modern Sonic game, his Up Smash just feels weird, and his other new aerials are cool, but not what I expected. I was kind of hoping to see the original Up Air and B-Air, and the N-Air and D-Air do feel like they could be other moves. Really not a big fan of the D-Air, as it's just Palutena's. Kind of wish they were the Insta-Sheild from Sonic 3 and the Stomp ability that's also in a lot of Sonic games. The Side B is also a little janky, but I think it works perfectly fine. Maybe don't make it ignore sheild and intangible, but otherwise, it's fine. And the taunts at the end of the Homing Attack are really nice additions. Overall, I'd say it's a pretty solid mod. A little bit of touching up on the animations could be used, but it's really clean in it's present state.
10:35 nick sd's like a true gentlemen, ive never seen such a genuine totally not toxic man
Despite some slight tweaking that’s most definitely needed to make him balanced, this is by far one of the best mods for Ultimate and the greatest playable Sonic in a smash game (imo)
Honestly, even though everyone is saying to give Sonic a meter, I'd rather have Boost be chargeable.
Basically the Super Peel Out but with a hit box.
To help balance it out, we'll let Sonic Angle the height only slightly.
And I'd make Boost break shields instead of ignore them, encouraging players to come back to their opponents for more.
Essentially:
- Pre: A light dash
- Half: A farther dash
- Full: Burst Attack
Another move I'd change is Homing Attack. Make it a grapple move that allows Sonic to kick opponents in any direction. While it charges, players can press A instead to use a basic attack.
I'd also love to see the Bounce added into the moveset by pressing A while charging Down B (Spindash).
Anyways, this comment is meant for the devs/modders.
This is what I want the next smash game to do with every character.
Yeah right lmao, they're not putting this much work into premade characters.
@@randomlyKami yeha we all know they won't, but people can still voice their hopes lol
@@FroggSocks I didn't mean that in a negative way, I'm just saying.
It WOULD be nice if most/all of them got like move set reworks or whatever but unless we get like a new Smash team, that's a possibility that's endlessly out of this world, sadly.
@@randomlyKami sorry I misinterpreted, my bad. I agree with you, fingers crossed new Devs for smash 6!
I had a concept before for an overhaul to Link's moveset to better represent Breath of the Wild, though, now that Tears of the Kingdom is out, any rework would likely draw from that instead.
I think it would be better if Sonic's side b would let him be in full acceleration at the end. Like keeping your grounded momentum for a full run
This Sonic is pretty awsome!
A few change I would make:
- Boost can only be performed *once* mid-air and has a cooldown as to avoid spamming it
Additionally, make it so it takes a lot of shield durability instead of ignoring it altogether.
- fix up trow animation, its weird as hell.
- change a few effects (boost for example)
- revert up special. Giving it a hitbox is too much.
i love how alot of his new moves are a homage to sonic battle from the GBA
The sonic battle love in this mod is incredible!
The one bad thing I really struggle with Sonic is his range, but this new Sonic seems to have a pretty good one.
This version of Sonic would probably be the best character in the game. Not only can he camp you (even better now that his b throw kills easier and side b ignores shields and you can spam it) he also can play more aggressive and not suffer for it.
Making side b Speed Boost makes so much more sense than ANOTHER spin dash! Because, really?! ANOTHER FUCKING SPIN DASH?!
The best strategy isn’t always the most fun. If I play sonic I’m going to rush you with the fast moves. I’m not gonna camp.
Sonic is a character that I felt needed a rework because he don't really represent or feel like Sonic that well.
I mean if I'm not mistaken they have nothing that represents modern Sonic games in his actual moveset, and two moves that are just spindash because he was rushed in brawl, however they never change that for some reason.
And on the feel side Sonic should be a character that would be constantly in-your-face, being able to dish out cool combos while using his excellent agility to his advantage to close the gap and start applying pressure.
In fighting game terms he should be a rush down character.
This would be awesome if we could see sonix use this moveset. It would be pretty interesting ngl.
He’d probably be undefeatable
Ah! He said it!
Glad you're back from holiday. I wholeheartedly agree that Sonic needs a new moveset, but seeing this satisfies me, especially seeing that f-air from Sonic Battle among others. If only this was in the actual game.
maybe not quite as broken though 💀
True.
Now sonics unreactable burst range is even higher, it would be easier to camp with this sonic than current one
I think the intention was just to give him an actual moveset that isn't just him turning into a ball.
It's funny that one of the strongest if not the strongest character in the Smash cast has the main strategy of briefly *running away.*
I don’t know why I expected this to be some custom stage built like a Sonic level
i love the reference moves, from sonic battle, and boost shouldve been implemented since sonic's debut in smash lol
“My nuts fell off.”
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Such a shame when devs rely on passionate fans to do a better job. In this case, why didn't Nintendo take inspiration for Sonic's moves from past games? This moveset is much better than I thought it would be.
Because Sakurai doesn’t want to change movesets for characters as he feels like the new moveset would alienate people who play the character
lmao do you think nintendo would go that far in depth for sega's ip
@@SonicntZane perhaps. Depends on the people behind the project.
@@SonicntZane yeah, the whole point of smash bros is to advertise the different franchises in Nintendo’s arsenal, while Sonic isn’t a Nintendo IP, he still has games on the switch, people still buy smash bros for Sonic, Nintendo still makes money because of him, so I doubt they would have a problem with fully representing Sonic, it’s just because Sakurai hates creating new movesets for characters because he’s afraid that the new moveset would alienate players, and he made Sonic’s moveset in 2008, with the only games he took for reference being the classic games, Sonic 06, and Sonic the fighters
@@SonicntZane **cof cof** Joker **cof cof** Bayonetta **cof cof**
Down taunt seems to be explicitly designed for dodging grounded burst movement tools.
Sonic’s up throw is from Sonic Frontiers and his forward air is from Sonic Battle on the GBA.
This is the best sonic moveset I've seen implemented in a mod so far, the only moves that I don't like are neutral air, down air and up throw but other than that, it's almost perfect. Of course it's extremely broken but with proper balancing this could be the perfect rework that sonic needs
Nick needs to mash like that in Mario Party, bro had his life on the line. 😂
I would love to tell the modder in person that this is the greated Sonic Moveset Revamp EVER. Why isn't this is actual moveset (or at least Side B and Down Smash.)
This mod needs a lot more balancing but this is already a million times better than Sonic's current moveset
He has done the impossible
Project M?
Yes he made him even worse to play
Against
@clasherinotheone5249 but aleast is more fun to play i guess
@@mattwsd now he is like game and watch like Poppt1 said fun to play but absolutely disgusting to play against haha
@@breakeranimation4146He's not as fun ngl. Smash Bros Crusade, Project HDR, and this mod really nailed Sonic's moveset imo.
Edit: I just realized that he would be more campier with this new moveset...well, this mod is still a work in progress so they'll obviously nerf some stuff to make him less campy and more of a rush down, glass canon character.
I love this mod as it feels more like sonic with moves of new and old with cool references and isn't just
*Spindash Simulator 2008*
Nick: "SONIC ADVENTURE 2"
That's just Sonic Adventure DAMMIT
He Said Sonic Adventure *Too,* Now Sonic Fans Will Take It Seriously…
1:30 perfect demonstration.
I wonder what would Sonic be ranked at on the official tier list with this mod. He is 4th place on it behind Joker, Pyra/Mythra and Steve on the official tier list. So what do you guys think he'd be ranked at with this mod? Or would he still be ranked number 4?
No he'd be the best character in the game in his own tier lol. He can still camp but now he actually has disgusting offensive options.
@@RobbertRobbert12345 See, that’s the point! I don’t like him being all campy and all that shit. Like look at how competitive players are using him in the game. Like really? That’s all what they do? Just run away from the opponent while mostly using his side B and/or down B on occasion? He ain’t a coward, man. No wonder why he’s lame in Smash. (Well, at least it’s only because his vanilla moveset.) Speaking as a person who’s actually played his games and knows what he’s actually capable of doing in them apart from spin dashing.
Despite Sonic being much more fun to play around with and given that extra dev time he deserved from being a rushed brawl inclusion, I do agree the boost is broken, you should only be able to do it once in the air but if Sonic is edge guarded he can keep trying to come back, I know everyone may not like this but I propose a boost meter so it’s not mindless braindead spamming and the boost always had a meter in Sonic Games.
Aside from that love that bouncing off the spring for up b now has a hit box with a new animation of him spinning around, the Battle moves fit him like a glove, the new idle animation is cool and man that SA1 Taunt really feels like it could’ve been in the vanilla game.
Fun and OP is not the same Jordan
Everything seems pretty cool, except the bair, fair, up throw, nair and jab
I’m going to be that nerd, but that taunt Nick kept saying is from Sonic Adventure 2 is actually from the Sonic Adventure 1 cover art.
I feel hopcat would take the no one is good at picachu thing personally
2:07
Just want to point out that pose is from Sonic adventure 1 box art pose.
And not 2.
Now I'm going to wait for the nerd emoji.
Don't Worry, The Nerd Emoji Is A Dead Meme
feels like dlc sonic, a bit too strong lol. very much appreciate the effort the modder put into the changes and animations regardless!
A more balanced version of this Sonic would be TOTALLY awesome to have in the official vanilla version of the game, and I would totally unironically main Sonic if he was like this.
Sakurai, TAKE NOTES!!!!
Sonic is literally one of my favourite smash characters even before I watched this video
Side special is boost?
Already my favorite.
This version of Sonic reminds me of PM Sonic
Ikr.
Sonic actually is able to fight now. Before all he COULD do was camp.
This is awesome I’d love to try this version of sonic out 🔵💨
2:07
Nick: AHHHH SONIC ADVENTURE TWOO!
me: :l
He Said "Too"
*Jab* : Punch 1, Punch 2, Top Kick (Sonic Battle)
*Dash attack* : Windmill Kick (Sonic Battle)
*Up tilt* : Double Kick (Smash Original)
*Forward tilt* : Donkey Kick (Sonic the Fighters)
*Down tilt* : Sweep Kick (Smash Original)
*Up Smash* : Sonic Updraft (Sonic Battle)
*Forward Smash* : Wind Up Punch (Sonic the Fighters)
*Down Smash* : Sonic Flare (Sonic Battle)
*Neutral Special* : Homing Attack ((Sonic Adventure) charge Lost World))
*Up-Special* : Spring ((Sonic 1) Sonic CD animation))
*Side Special* : Boost (Sonic Rush/Unleashed)
*Down Special* : Spindash (Sonic 2)
*Neutral Air* : Windmill Kick ((Sonic Battle)(Aerial variant))
*Up Air* : Unknown
*Forward Air* : Sonic Eagle (Sonic Battle)
*Back Air* : Humming Top (Sonic Advance 2)
*Down Air* Sonic Rocket (Sonic Battle)
Taunts Sonic Adventure Box art and Sonic Advance Box art
His thumbs up is from Sonic Advance.
8:03 "Maybe it's not supposed to be edgy, maybe it's just the color black." My new favorite sentence
This moveset is way better than the one we have
Tbh the spin dash sd is so common for people who are bad at sonic that only camp because people when they camp as sonic they are bad at sonic because they don’t learn his moves and combos and even sonic main do the classic spin dash sd
They should really update these moveset to Sonic
It kinda a shame that they didn't make his side taunt say "you're too slow!"
Edit: I just found out he says this in the Japanese version.
And they gave him the Bruce Lee idle pose? God tier mod.
Im still triggered that the reason why They are keeping sonic moveset like this is because people will be put off by his moveset even though all they need to do is change some some of his moves and not all of them 🥲
The minimum being B-Air, F-Air, Up-Smash, Down-Smash, Up-Throw, and especially Side-B
I think this moveset is from a fanmade smash game called super smash bros crusade
I know people don't think sonic is cool, and I don't even main/play him alot, but when I do he's super duper fun if you don't play like a naughty camper
It makes me wanna cry bc he didn’t get these moves like he deserved😢
I wish the mod Sonic’s attack aerial were like that in SSBU
this makes sonic not sugarcoat it even more
The pose is an SA1 CLASSIC get it right boi
Bro called the up taunt from SA2
That got my inner Sonic fan straight up screaming "IT'S FROM SA1 DAWG"
@HoodedUlTi , SA1 pose is iconic, how could he mess up and say its from SA2
The pose that sonic does is actually his sa1 pose
Found it funny that every time nick said sonic adventure 2 with the taunt when that taunt is the first sonic adventure logo.
This is literally Sonic and The Cooler Sonic
It's like he was ripped right out of Sonic Battle and I'm all up for that!
They really shouldn’t have changed back air and up air. And they made side b probably just as toxic as normal spins lmao
This ^
It's actually funny reading the comments where everyone is just saying how sick it is.
Just sheep agreeing with what ever the men on screen said
@@rizvan1632 Oh no, someone disagrees with you and agrees with the authors. That can only mean they are sheep and couldn't possibly have their own opinions! /s
The modder definitely went a liiittle too hard on the damage, but they also went CRAZY on the animations, I loved this.
Good lookin' fuckin' shit, hats off.
the idle animation is wayyyyy better now
I hope someday that Sakurai redesign Sonic the same way !
Thats not gonna happen and besides they didn't even mind to change Ganon's moveset to become good character. They didn't even let Mario use Cappy as a attack and Megaman use his double gear system from MM11
Would you rather-
Annoying or Broken?
_Plays the video back in 1.75x speed for the full Sonic experience._
Jordan please. These highly edited videos are great and amazing but Craw can only work so much.
Imagine someone loses a game, they have to tweet something. And they don’t have Twitter.
Another solution would be to give Sonic his Frontiers moveset. Change Homing Attack to Homing Shot (It would do slightly less damage but to make up for it, it has a reduced start up and there are ten homing attacks. If you saw the actual move you would get it). Make side b Quick Cyloop (Sonic charges forward while activating the Cyloop ability. If he uses the Cyloop on someone they are damaged and propelled straight up. It can also break shields easily). Make up b Looping Kick and make it like Meta Knights. And make down b Grand Slam and have it be a counter move (Even from projectiles) And also give him a Phantom Rush mechanic. (This would be a meter that builds up the more Sonic deals damage. Once it fills Phantom Rush activates. Sonic will do more damage but only if he keeps the Phantom Rush bar up.)
Video idea: have modders try to nerf/balance the top tiers into mid/high tiers and see if they’re fun to play and play against.
Oh Dang these guys Really don’t know Sonic
(Fan of both Channels btw, mostly TCNick3)
I don’t know all of em but
NAir is Advance 2’s Spin
SSpecial is Boost from the recent Games (no meter though, surprisingly)
FAir is Sonic Battle
DAir is based on the Render (Kinda Obvious, Ik)
and the Jumpball is Designed more Closely to Sonic Heroes, where they had a Similar aura on Jump and Spinballs
Edit:
UTaunt is Advance 1 Reference, DTaunt is Sonic Adventure ONE reference
Edit 2:
Jab and DSmash are also from Battle
BThrow is from Sonic the Fighters
UAir might be Sonic’s old UAir from Brawl?
Edit 3:
Forgotta mention in the Last Edit: Dash Attack is the same as Advance 2 as far as I can Tell
Edit 4:
Also forgot to mention the USpecial animation Change is based on his Spring Sprite in the Classic Games
Edit 5:
Actually, I think the Idle is also from Sonic the Fighters
If you look closely, you can see that in the last match, Jordan is wearing the edgy coloured shirt to match his edgy Sonic and Nick is wearing his classic blue Sonic colour. It was meant to be.
This looks so much fun, this is how Sakurai should of cooked lol
What's funny is they updated the mod and made his down-B STUPID! His down-b charge has. A. DAMN. HITBOX!
To make it more accurate to the games.
@@RoninCatholicyeah, but I was expecting the type of hitbox that would launch the enemy away and doing like 1% of damage (which would still be broken), but this is just insane.
Sonic as he normally is is necessary for the game’s balancing. You may not like him, but that probably means you main a character that requires constant use of the B button. That’s your counter. Pick a different character and I’ll switch it up too
I hate it when mods change things just for the sake of changing things. Yea, a lot of Sonic's ball moves need to be changed, but what's wrong with Sonic's back air or up air or forward air or down air?
2:08 NICK ITS SONIC ADVENTURE 1 😭
He Said "Sonic Adventure Too"