Good to hear GN using the tech lull to optimize their business operations unlike LTT who seems to be going too big too fast at the risk of cash flow issues.
4:14 I have two of those same 10gbe TP-Link switches for the same reason, well priced. I replaced the noisy fans in them with small Noctuas because I have them close to where people are (no dedicated server space). I swapped out my desk for a standing desk yesterday and from just moving the switch from one room to another seems to have killed it lol. No idea how, it's not like I Linus'd it and dropped it or anything. Pretty sad, but a lot of longer term reviews seem to show other people having them die too so bought something a bit more expensive last night 😬 doubt warranty will go down well due to my fan mod!
@@gnextras I bought a second QNAP QSW-1208-8C, only reason is because I've had one going for much longer than the TP Link ones without any issue. Also no fan mod needed when running close to people! Double the price, but I guess "buy nice or buy twice" with some things.
These switches usually have garbage quality PSU-s, you should try to start them from a lab power supply and if it works you can buy replacement psus for them. The startup circuit is the one dying, it will run forever but one it stops it won't start anymore. Common problem after tripped breakers and after moving hardware.
Thanks for sharing, after seeing the green logo, any chance of green merch in the future. Keep up the good work. Side note, my coworker was gifted her first pc and it was an original NZXT h1, with the riser zip tied. I was able to point her to request a replacement riser. I remember your concerns about the cases on the secondary market, but I'm happy my pc knowledge defused 1 wild fire hazard.
Seconding the green merch. I've personally always been a fan of the old black/green cyberpunk color combo. If you guys decided to make a black and green mouse mat in the future, I'd definitely get one.
Love the colour scheme on the extras logo rendering. Definetely my favourite of all the techtubers actually, including the main GN channel. But now that you have intel blue and nvidia green, you need amd red one for GN Steve channel.
Hey GN !! You said in this video that you want to tie up loose ends regarding content pieces, so a video just popped into my mind. The video where you were restoring Apple iMac found in a dumpster. I never found it's part 2 but I was really interested in it !! If you have it recorded maybe just upload that video here if its not too much hassle
I see a later (beige) Texas Instruments TI99/4A and Peripheral Expansion Box at 8:08 Look closely at that keyboard with a distinctively placed cartridge slot next to it. The PEB is standing on end. At first I thought it was an old tower PC.
Hey, if I may make a suggestion, I'd like to see more overclocking livestreams, especially the LN stuff. Maybe more with older hardware? It's very entertaining to watch, at least for myself. I miss watching GN live.
I see sparcstations in the old hardware pile.... I had to keep a business IT system alive that was still living on sparcstations up until 3 years ago. Fun times bad memories
love to hear u share ur thoughts on ur process; y'all produce such high quality content nowadays, ur getting exponentially better with every video and its cool to see the confidence and care steve exudes both as a creator and mouthpiece for GN's identity as well as behind the scenes as the business owner. Not too many channels can really evoke that but yall make me wish i worked there lolol
Storage room improvements are very satisfying. And good for business in the long run anyway. My lab (industrial QC lab) I put up a sign that says "A place for everything, and everything in its place". I've definitely saved countless hours by spending some to organize stuff.
Like we say in Germany for Seagate Hard Drives: "Sie geht oder sie geht nicht" (She is working or she is not working) a little word play with the brand name. They are spoken very similar :D
I got into sleeper pcs and mostly through my first build. That tower you showed at the end with the double 5.25" at the top looks like a dream case to work with. I try to keep everything fully functional with mine and cannot wait to see some sleepers shown off.
What's your preferred place to make creative video suggestions? In the spirit of "don't ask to ask": Collabs - LGR, review one of his old builds? guest news host? christmas special? - Waterjet Channel, build a case mod incorporating cut-up parts Sound isolation chamber ideas: - Compare volume of wall warts (AC adapters) - Compare volume and sounds of wristwatches - Record rice krispies in milk Fan tester ideas: - Just how much effect does a turbocharger have anyway General: - Computer maintenance secrets - Visually demonstrate various pressure configurations of case fans - Interesting and useful PCIe cards - "pcie gen _" and lanes explained - usb and power delivery reference - especially, what brands of usb cables are safe at continous max specified current?
Have you tried the Ultrastar DC HC500 series of Enterprise/Datacenter hard drives before? If cost is an issue, you can always shuck 'em on the cheap from WD MyBook external 3.5" HDDs. You'll seemingly just end up with an unspecified WD white label drive, but if you read the label carefully you'll notice that it is actually an unlabeled Ultrastar DC (Datacenter) HC520/HC530/HC550 or HC560 series hard drive from the (former) HGST factory. Which specific model you get depends on the capacity you go for, the new 20TB MyBook has a HC550 or HC560 inside! For over 3 years now I have been using a total of 19× 12TB HDDs in my server that I shucked from WD MyBook external drives, but in reality they are actually just Ultrastar DC (datacenter) HC520 HDDs that WD purposefully mislabeled as WD120EDAZ white label HDDs! Thus far I have not had even just a single issue with these drives, they do their work silently and flawlessly, not to mention that none have failed so far and all SMART data is 100% in the green! (and that is with pretty much 24/7 operation for the past 3+ years). As for the price advantages, the correctly labeled Ultrastar DC HC520 12TB HDDs were almost €500 each when I wanted to fill up my new server with HDDs, but the awesome lads @ Reddit pointed me towards the absolute motherload by suggesting I shuck the HDDs from the external hard drives in the WD MyBook series instead of directly buying the exact same drive but branded as an Ultrastar. I was lucky AF that the 12TB model was on sale that week for €209 a piece at Amazon, so shucking the drives instantly saved me ~€290 per drive, and almost €3500 for the whole lot! *Do note* that if you need a lot of drives and you're going to shuck, be sure to start with buying just a single one to verify it actually contains the HDD you thought it would, and then it is very much recommend to proceed by buying the drives you need in multiple batches (and preferably from multiple sources) to ensure that you end up with a proper distribution of drives from multiple different manufacturing dates and serial ranges. This is very important because as long as you make sure to use at most one drive from each batch per vdev (or if you have set it up in such a manner where you can lose two drives without data loss, then you can use two from each batch per vdev) this will ensure that even if there is a manufacturing defect or other type of malfunction within a batch of HDDs you'll still never lose data because of it! Oh, and be sure to run a full drive stress test for each new drive continuously for a few weeks (one week is the absolute minimum I'd say) before putting it to work by incorporating the drive into your storage server/cluster because the vast majority of drives usually fail either within the first days/weeks of usage or somewhere after hitting their MTBF (which is 2.500.000 hours for the Ultrastar DC HC520!) One more thing, check, double check and absolutely do manually verify that your stress test is hitting every single block on the device at least once during the test. I hope any of this info was useful for someone? If so, I would really appreciate it if you could leave a comment if this info was somehow useful for you 😇
Couldnt agree more. Seagates are the worst. But I also saw a couple WD dying over the years as well. But Seagates, specifically older ones, suffer from the click of death.
a more or less simple closed rack with wheels ain't that expensive anymore, standard 42U should be fine I guess. Looks way cleaner and professional IMO.
Time and time again I keep seeing Seagate drives being the ones with the highest failure rates, I would definitely never use them in a NAS, not unless you enjoy replacing them constantly.
Bravo for documenting everything! It's painful how often I see this NOT happen and a lot of time and money gets wasted. Suggestion: skim over them every 6 months or once a year to see if anything needs to be updated, or just be mindful when something new is learned to go update the docs when you're done with that task. If anyone leaves the company, have them check their docs and update them before they go.
Love the behind-the-scenes look at the operations side of stuff like this. I'm sorta regretting not applying for the staff writer position after hearing about your push to document testing processes; that is a subset of what I do in my current position. From previous work, I also know the value (and trade off) of centralizing storage, and in my current position the number of "doesn't make us money but does make our lives easier" tasks that the company needs to handle is getting concerning. It's just there's always a push for new stuff, and no one at the decision making level wants to say "all new development is on pause until we sort out the current backlog."
Most HGST and Toshiba models they’ve been using seem to be reliable. Seagate models they’ve been using have been comparatively less reliable, and not enough data on Western Digital.
It's also well worth nothing that while Backblaze has a lot of data on a lot of drives, their usage case of the drives is very much unusual. So, I do wonder how representative it is of general usage.
Gotta be honest, I definitely feel a bit of a dissonance when it comes to Seagate drives... My family has always had them failing much sooner (and less recoverably) than their WD counterparts (albeit, in a consumer environment), and Backblaze has from memory always seen them have a bit of a higher failure rate than the other brands as well... yet from what I can tell, they seem to be generally considered the best in the enterprise sense, and I've had friends who swear by them in a consumer sense as well. Am I crazy?
I spy with my little eye a TI-99... 4a... (with a Peripheral Expansion Box, or "PEB" off diagonally behind it sitting on it's right side complete with a Shugart floppy drive). That particular computer (the beige piece) is one of the later plastic ones, btw. Also, if I'm not mistaken, the machines in the right side of that pile on the floor are HP-85s, but I can't quite tell with the view being so far away. I also think that I see a couple of external SCSI drive enclosures sitting behind the TI-99/4a. Sorry for nerding out there.... I would become a patron if I could afford it, though.
Working on the business, is an oft underestimated & critical task that far too many, even those in business, are moronically dismissive of. If it ain't broke, doesn't mean it's still relevant.
Thanks for the update which effency is importaint and I'm glad your taking the time to do it right! I uh... Don't I don't it slowly over time with out a real plan... But I do steamline things as soon as it acors to me to do it.
I think part of your HDD failure problem is vibration. Those drives probably have an ok vibration rating in a server but if its not mounted properly that rating can mean nothing. I know its a terrible price tag for a good rack but if you look at it as either a one time long term purchase or saving money on prolonging drive life it starts to make the price more palatable. Worst case, you have your stuff in a proper rack and it becomes easy to work on and cable manage lol XD
Take a look at Toshiba N300 for server drives. I use them in my TrueNAS builds and they are perfect. Also, Toshiba was probably the only major manufacturer, that was not participating in the shingled drive scandal a few years ago, so that's also nice
Why not use Seagate Exos, WD Golds, or WD Ultrastar drives? Enterprise drives are often cheaper or around the same price as "NAS" drives while being better in pretty much every way, including warranty.
I've stopped using Seagate in enterprise environment over 10 years ago and any drives provided by HP. Got burned too many times: Pricks from HP few years ago had a batch of HD's with bad firmware that basically rendered all drives in backup nas a pile of expensive paper weights after two and half years of uptime....I'm sure you are planning for it, but as you know. having a good UPS (clean power) is a must. Hopefully economy will improve to the point that small business can afford it....Thank you for the great work!
As someone who has a bunch of hdd's (chia mining) i can tell you that the WD ones last forever (not sure about the 20tb though) and the Seagate ones love to fail or throw errors. (I've got everything WD from 2tb to 16tb still spinning 24/7 with 0 errors) (some of these drives are nearly 10 years old)
Ive been using 4TB ironwolf drives for 4-5 years now, none have died.... I think the chassis and how many drives there are in that disk shelf are what is causing them to die.... you're not supposed to have more like 8-12 drives using ironwolfs.
Looking forward to everything you guys have coming! Would love if you guys could do some guides. Ive been getting into overlclocking recently and would love a video on like good habits for overclocking, like systems and processes for how to do it properly with record keeping haha, i know that sounds boring writen, but i just mean, guides in general for stuff you guys are the best at
More creative content is definitely a good idea. Linus does the same thing, although I stopped watching most of his videos because of the horrible thumbnails. Having something to spice things up between the monotony of review videos is nice. And don't be afraid to have it be more freeform. Sometimes the structure is nice but it can also be too structured and appear less organic. I was planning to use Seagate Ironwolves in a NAS i was gonna build in the next few months. Guess not lol.
Nice update. What made you choose Unraid vs something else like Trunas? Not saying Unraid is a bad choice, just curious as to the reasoning / thought process. :)
Hey Guys you don't have a UPS on your system or I couldn't see one. These help with brown outs as well as power outs. It's time to invest in one. Also I'd look at vibration isolation the "rack" from the floor, but possibly electrically grounding it all.
Surprising the Ironwolf drives died that fast. Did they all come from the same vendor at the same buy time? I would have went with Ultrastar or Exos for the new ones. How are your drive temps in that case? Anything over 40C i'd be a little concerned about for drive lifetimes. EDIT: Getting into that many disks, may be worthwhile to have (if you don't already have some sort of inventory system) a unique label for each drive and then a spreadsheet with label, model, serial #, capacity, vendor bought from, date bought, date installed, location (enclosure #).
Bit of a daunting task, but an idea for a creative video series? A state (or region) breakdown of big(ger) recycle / reuse facilities, besides waste management, that will take e-waste.
I hope you will find a way to incorporate a creative video each week or maybe every two weeks. The technical review is easy and hard because it’s easy in the sense it’s about going through a known documented process but hard in that it is also tedious, laborious, and time consuming. The creative is hard because you have to come up with new video idea that may or may not pay off but it’s something you or the other team members enjoy because it is a GN video. For what is worth I hope you can do more to satisfy your inner creator but also wishing you luck that it too will help pay the bills. I for one will be looking forward to it. 😇😇😇👍👍👍
Steve have you built out what you are planning with that data rack? 2 post rack looks like it is not gonna be the end solution especially with servers coming into play. If you need some help I would love to give some insight to you on planning it out.
Hmm... I've been looking at those 10Gb TP-Link switches. Have a couple of their 2.5Gb and a 1Gb, but nice to know they're Wendell approved with there not being a lot in the way of 10Gb copper switches with more than two ports... and I'm not interested in blowing a ton on SFP to copper adapters. However, that's unfortunate with the drives. I've got a mixture of Seagate, WD and HGST. They've all let me down, none more than the other, but people love to hate Seagate and it's funny to look in the comments and see them referred to as "the worst." That's a person that never walked into a server room, greeted by a literal three foot tall pile of Samsung hard drives. But I'll admit that Seagate isn't what it used to be.
I am actually deeply disappointed noone noticed the continuation of the best running gag of this channel. The hopefully neverending "Thanks Steve!" meme. Did not expect at all, but definitely made my day! Thanks Steve!...and Wendell!
Isn't Ironwolf (non-pro) only rated for up to 8 drives per enclosure? And your 8-bay NAS is sitting on top of another enclosure with many drives? Maybe it's more than just a run of bad luck and you need to bump up to Ironwolf Pro or Exos.
Two questions on the new 10GbE switch; is it managed, and what's the model number? I've been looking for a decent managed 10GbE switch, and they all seem to be AU$1k or more
csv's should compress really well if you wanted to archive them. But I could also see that being a pain if you just wanted to render a graph from legacy data quickly.
the proper plural/grouping of wolves, would be a pack... a pack of ironwolf drives
hahaha, brilliant! I will use this from now on.
i love how Steve is the complete opposite of linus in terms of data hoarding lol
Steve is the opposite of Linus in so many ways.
Good to hear GN using the tech lull to optimize their business operations unlike LTT who seems to be going too big too fast at the risk of cash flow issues.
Linus needs to get back to reality...
Linus is a spoiled kid, going to extreme lengths to hoard unnecessary data
Damn, some linus haters in reply in here. Some saltiness
lmao the surprise Wendell is always appreciated. Have an upvote.
4:14 I have two of those same 10gbe TP-Link switches for the same reason, well priced. I replaced the noisy fans in them with small Noctuas because I have them close to where people are (no dedicated server space). I swapped out my desk for a standing desk yesterday and from just moving the switch from one room to another seems to have killed it lol. No idea how, it's not like I Linus'd it and dropped it or anything. Pretty sad, but a lot of longer term reviews seem to show other people having them die too so bought something a bit more expensive last night 😬 doubt warranty will go down well due to my fan mod!
Good to know! What'd you replace it with?
@@gnextras I bought a second QNAP QSW-1208-8C, only reason is because I've had one going for much longer than the TP Link ones without any issue. Also no fan mod needed when running close to people! Double the price, but I guess "buy nice or buy twice" with some things.
To be frank, TP-Link was always quite a cheap network integrator. I prefer Zyxel (and previously Cisco, but they have way too much security issues).
These switches usually have garbage quality PSU-s, you should try to start them from a lab power supply and if it works you can buy replacement psus for them. The startup circuit is the one dying, it will run forever but one it stops it won't start anymore. Common problem after tripped breakers and after moving hardware.
@@pp3v42_g3h That's interesting thanks, don't have anything here that I could use to try though, and I admit I don't think I'd know what I'm doing
Thanks for sharing, after seeing the green logo, any chance of green merch in the future. Keep up the good work.
Side note, my coworker was gifted her first pc and it was an original NZXT h1, with the riser zip tied. I was able to point her to request a replacement riser. I remember your concerns about the cases on the secondary market, but I'm happy my pc knowledge defused 1 wild fire hazard.
That's awesome! Great work. And we'll try out some green colors on things!
Seconding the green merch. I've personally always been a fan of the old black/green cyberpunk color combo. If you guys decided to make a black and green mouse mat in the future, I'd definitely get one.
"We keep having these drives die these are..."
Me: Seagate
"Seagate Ironwolf..."
Yuuup
love to see the old wood wall set return can't wait to see how everything turns out
So great to have people in the audience who still remember it!
Love the colour scheme on the extras logo rendering. Definetely my favourite of all the techtubers actually, including the main GN channel. But now that you have intel blue and nvidia green, you need amd red one for GN Steve channel.
Hey GN !!
You said in this video that you want to tie up loose ends regarding content pieces, so a video just popped into my mind. The video where you were restoring Apple iMac found in a dumpster.
I never found it's part 2 but I was really interested in it !!
If you have it recorded maybe just upload that video here if its not too much hassle
We actually did record it and mostly edit it. Good call. I'll try to knock that one out some weekend and post it here.
Thanks !!
@@gnextras I never saw the first one, but that sounds like something that would be fun to watch.
"thanks Steve, ow my knees" lol that creased me up what a legend told Wends is
I see a later (beige) Texas Instruments TI99/4A and Peripheral Expansion Box at 8:08
Look closely at that keyboard with a distinctively placed cartridge slot next to it. The PEB is standing on end. At first I thought it was an old tower PC.
Hey, if I may make a suggestion, I'd like to see more overclocking livestreams, especially the LN stuff. Maybe more with older hardware? It's very entertaining to watch, at least for myself. I miss watching GN live.
I miss doing it! We need to get production scheduling/time under control so I can get back to those. Hopefully soon.
@@gnextras
This is stupid, but if you're willing to then do a video for the next 4/20 stoned out of your mind
@@gnextras here's to hoping!
Now I want to see extreme overclocking of a P2 brick cpu lol
Steve you keep saying you miss it and we keep asking to see more of it. It's time for some overclocking man!
I see sparcstations in the old hardware pile.... I had to keep a business IT system alive that was still living on sparcstations up until 3 years ago. Fun times bad memories
Patrick from Serve the Home mentioned the low write endurance on 20TB WD Reds, IIRC
Oof, as a datahoarder I died a little inside when you said you delete A-roll.
We try not to accumulate things we don't need, just as a general philosophy. Digital and physical!
Oh, heck yeah. That old computer collection's got a 99/4a!
That was my first computer as well as my first game console. Lot of fond memories there.
love to hear u share ur thoughts on ur process; y'all produce such high quality content nowadays, ur getting exponentially better with every video and its cool to see the confidence and care steve exudes both as a creator and mouthpiece for GN's identity as well as behind the scenes as the business owner. Not too many channels can really evoke that but yall make me wish i worked there lolol
Thanks so much for the kind words!
I really like the outro backgrounds, and the different colors are a nice touch.
Storage room improvements are very satisfying. And good for business in the long run anyway. My lab (industrial QC lab) I put up a sign that says "A place for everything, and everything in its place". I've definitely saved countless hours by spending some to organize stuff.
There had better be 6 cats in that CAT6 box
Like we say in Germany for Seagate Hard Drives: "Sie geht oder sie geht nicht" (She is working or she is not working) a little word play with the brand name. They are spoken very similar :D
Gn extras are epic
Your studio is looking amazing. Congratulations on the new space.
I got into sleeper pcs and mostly through my first build. That tower you showed at the end with the double 5.25" at the top looks like a dream case to work with. I try to keep everything fully functional with mine and cannot wait to see some sleepers shown off.
Will look forward too weekly creative videos! Get on it Steve!
Enjoying these extra pieces!
Happy to see the new space progressing, would love to see more vids from you.
What's your preferred place to make creative video suggestions?
In the spirit of "don't ask to ask":
Collabs
- LGR, review one of his old builds? guest news host? christmas special?
- Waterjet Channel, build a case mod incorporating cut-up parts
Sound isolation chamber ideas:
- Compare volume of wall warts (AC adapters)
- Compare volume and sounds of wristwatches
- Record rice krispies in milk
Fan tester ideas:
- Just how much effect does a turbocharger have anyway
General:
- Computer maintenance secrets
- Visually demonstrate various pressure configurations of case fans
- Interesting and useful PCIe cards
- "pcie gen _" and lanes explained
- usb and power delivery reference - especially, what brands of usb cables are safe at continous max specified current?
Have you tried the Ultrastar DC HC500 series of Enterprise/Datacenter hard drives before? If cost is an issue, you can always shuck 'em on the cheap from WD MyBook external 3.5" HDDs. You'll seemingly just end up with an unspecified WD white label drive, but if you read the label carefully you'll notice that it is actually an unlabeled Ultrastar DC (Datacenter) HC520/HC530/HC550 or HC560 series hard drive from the (former) HGST factory. Which specific model you get depends on the capacity you go for, the new 20TB MyBook has a HC550 or HC560 inside!
For over 3 years now I have been using a total of 19× 12TB HDDs in my server that I shucked from WD MyBook external drives, but in reality they are actually just Ultrastar DC (datacenter) HC520 HDDs that WD purposefully mislabeled as WD120EDAZ white label HDDs! Thus far I have not had even just a single issue with these drives, they do their work silently and flawlessly, not to mention that none have failed so far and all SMART data is 100% in the green! (and that is with pretty much 24/7 operation for the past 3+ years).
As for the price advantages, the correctly labeled Ultrastar DC HC520 12TB HDDs were almost €500 each when I wanted to fill up my new server with HDDs, but the awesome lads @ Reddit pointed me towards the absolute motherload by suggesting I shuck the HDDs from the external hard drives in the WD MyBook series instead of directly buying the exact same drive but branded as an Ultrastar. I was lucky AF that the 12TB model was on sale that week for €209 a piece at Amazon, so shucking the drives instantly saved me ~€290 per drive, and almost €3500 for the whole lot!
*Do note* that if you need a lot of drives and you're going to shuck, be sure to start with buying just a single one to verify it actually contains the HDD you thought it would, and then it is very much recommend to proceed by buying the drives you need in multiple batches (and preferably from multiple sources) to ensure that you end up with a proper distribution of drives from multiple different manufacturing dates and serial ranges. This is very important because as long as you make sure to use at most one drive from each batch per vdev (or if you have set it up in such a manner where you can lose two drives without data loss, then you can use two from each batch per vdev) this will ensure that even if there is a manufacturing defect or other type of malfunction within a batch of HDDs you'll still never lose data because of it!
Oh, and be sure to run a full drive stress test for each new drive continuously for a few weeks (one week is the absolute minimum I'd say) before putting it to work by incorporating the drive into your storage server/cluster because the vast majority of drives usually fail either within the first days/weeks of usage or somewhere after hitting their MTBF (which is 2.500.000 hours for the Ultrastar DC HC520!)
One more thing, check, double check and absolutely do manually verify that your stress test is hitting every single block on the device at least once during the test.
I hope any of this info was useful for someone? If so, I would really appreciate it if you could leave a comment if this info was somehow useful for you 😇
Wendell is always welcome in this videos. I like it
When I read "Drives dying" I thought "Seagate". What a surprise, it was Seagate! RIP regardless, I'd avoid them at all costs
Couldnt agree more. Seagates are the worst. But I also saw a couple WD dying over the years as well. But Seagates, specifically older ones, suffer from the click of death.
GN needs a real server rack. One of us, one of us, one of us.... Give into the peer pressure. Haha
As always great contect, keep it up GN team! 👍
a more or less simple closed rack with wheels ain't that expensive anymore, standard 42U should be fine I guess. Looks way cleaner and professional IMO.
Thanks, Steve!
Time and time again I keep seeing Seagate drives being the ones with the highest failure rates, I would definitely never use them in a NAS, not unless you enjoy replacing them constantly.
Bravo for documenting everything! It's painful how often I see this NOT happen and a lot of time and money gets wasted. Suggestion: skim over them every 6 months or once a year to see if anything needs to be updated, or just be mindful when something new is learned to go update the docs when you're done with that task. If anyone leaves the company, have them check their docs and update them before they go.
Love the behind-the-scenes look at the operations side of stuff like this. I'm sorta regretting not applying for the staff writer position after hearing about your push to document testing processes; that is a subset of what I do in my current position. From previous work, I also know the value (and trade off) of centralizing storage, and in my current position the number of "doesn't make us money but does make our lives easier" tasks that the company needs to handle is getting concerning. It's just there's always a push for new stuff, and no one at the decision making level wants to say "all new development is on pause until we sort out the current backlog."
I'm really excited to see that old set wall back. I love the color and design of it and had a lot of good memories associated with it.
I have that same drive bay enclosure, Love it
According to Backblaze (and honestly, my own experience) Toshiba is the absolute king of reliability, maybe you could do some more digging on it.
Most HGST and Toshiba models they’ve been using seem to be reliable. Seagate models they’ve been using have been comparatively less reliable, and not enough data on Western Digital.
It's also well worth nothing that while Backblaze has a lot of data on a lot of drives, their usage case of the drives is very much unusual. So, I do wonder how representative it is of general usage.
@@ShroudedWolf51 spinning rust goes whirrrr
Good to see Wendell and I have the same spool of cat6 so I'm glad to see it elsewhere.
Gotta be honest, I definitely feel a bit of a dissonance when it comes to Seagate drives... My family has always had them failing much sooner (and less recoverably) than their WD counterparts (albeit, in a consumer environment), and Backblaze has from memory always seen them have a bit of a higher failure rate than the other brands as well... yet from what I can tell, they seem to be generally considered the best in the enterprise sense, and I've had friends who swear by them in a consumer sense as well. Am I crazy?
No, you're no crazy. That describes my experience also.
I tried the Ironwolf series a year ago (4TB). Had the drive fail while copying data to it first time (pending sectors and possibly also bad sectors)
Love the behind the scenes updates. Keep up the great work guys. Thanks, Steve.
I spy with my little eye a TI-99... 4a... (with a Peripheral Expansion Box, or "PEB" off diagonally behind it sitting on it's right side complete with a Shugart floppy drive). That particular computer (the beige piece) is one of the later plastic ones, btw. Also, if I'm not mistaken, the machines in the right side of that pile on the floor are HP-85s, but I can't quite tell with the view being so far away. I also think that I see a couple of external SCSI drive enclosures sitting behind the TI-99/4a. Sorry for nerding out there....
I would become a patron if I could afford it, though.
2:14 Surely that's "IronsWolf"
Thanks for the update and can't wait to see what you all come up with next.
Working on the business, is an oft underestimated & critical task that far too many, even those in business, are moronically dismissive of. If it ain't broke, doesn't mean it's still relevant.
You guys are the best tech channel out there. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for the update which effency is importaint and I'm glad your taking the time to do it right! I uh... Don't I don't it slowly over time with out a real plan... But I do steamline things as soon as it acors to me to do it.
I think part of your HDD failure problem is vibration. Those drives probably have an ok vibration rating in a server but if its not mounted properly that rating can mean nothing. I know its a terrible price tag for a good rack but if you look at it as either a one time long term purchase or saving money on prolonging drive life it starts to make the price more palatable. Worst case, you have your stuff in a proper rack and it becomes easy to work on and cable manage lol XD
Take a look at Toshiba N300 for server drives. I use them in my TrueNAS builds and they are perfect. Also, Toshiba was probably the only major manufacturer, that was not participating in the shingled drive scandal a few years ago, so that's also nice
Every video makes me more glad you guys made the second channel
Why not use Seagate Exos, WD Golds, or WD Ultrastar drives? Enterprise drives are often cheaper or around the same price as "NAS" drives while being better in pretty much every way, including warranty.
I've stopped using Seagate in enterprise environment over 10 years ago and any drives provided by HP. Got burned too many times: Pricks from HP few years ago had a batch of HD's with bad firmware that basically rendered all drives in backup nas a pile of expensive paper weights after two and half years of uptime....I'm sure you are planning for it, but as you know. having a good UPS (clean power) is a must. Hopefully economy will improve to the point that small business can afford it....Thank you for the great work!
You can tell Steve has some PTSD from the exploding power supplies... "No Gigabyte!"
Every dead HDD I've ever dealt with or replaced for family or friends has been a Seagate drive. I refuse to use them any more.
Travel by Telecom rack!
As someone who has a bunch of hdd's (chia mining) i can tell you that the WD ones last forever (not sure about the 20tb though) and the Seagate ones love to fail or throw errors. (I've got everything WD from 2tb to 16tb still spinning 24/7 with 0 errors) (some of these drives are nearly 10 years old)
LOVE YOUR VIDEOS DUDE!!!! Keep up the good work!
Me using a 4tb iron wolf drive for my bulk game storage: Oh, that's fun c:
Lol, hope you don't need those bits
Unless you're constantly deleting and installing new games on that drive, it doesn't seem like it should be as much of a problem
Ive been using 4TB ironwolf drives for 4-5 years now, none have died.... I think the chassis and how many drives there are in that disk shelf are what is causing them to die.... you're not supposed to have more like 8-12 drives using ironwolfs.
Time for a 4tb ssd brother
Toshiba X300, that's what you want if you're not going to use SSDs.
I can't believe how much of a diffference there is between you and Linus in terms of server storage!
Looking forward to everything you guys have coming! Would love if you guys could do some guides. Ive been getting into overlclocking recently and would love a video on like good habits for overclocking, like systems and processes for how to do it properly with record keeping haha, i know that sounds boring writen, but i just mean, guides in general for stuff you guys are the best at
Oh, green. Gn extras. Ok, threw me off for a sec.
More creative content is definitely a good idea. Linus does the same thing, although I stopped watching most of his videos because of the horrible thumbnails. Having something to spice things up between the monotony of review videos is nice. And don't be afraid to have it be more freeform. Sometimes the structure is nice but it can also be too structured and appear less organic.
I was planning to use Seagate Ironwolves in a NAS i was gonna build in the next few months. Guess not lol.
Nice update. What made you choose Unraid vs something else like Trunas? Not saying Unraid is a bad choice, just curious as to the reasoning / thought process. :)
Wendell built it for us. He explains it in our video with him from a few years ago!
@@gnextras Thanks i'll take a look. :)
THE GREEN IS KILLER
The wood wall! Oh how I missed you. I mean.. it probably is just some generic ancient core design with fancy plastic over it. The Alienware Wall!
Hey Guys you don't have a UPS on your system or I couldn't see one. These help with brown outs as well as power outs. It's time to invest in one. Also I'd look at vibration isolation the "rack" from the floor, but possibly electrically grounding it all.
Maybe you could shuck external Western Digital harddrives to get Hitachi Ultrastar He10 helium drives, those are data centre drives for cheap.
Surprising the Ironwolf drives died that fast. Did they all come from the same vendor at the same buy time? I would have went with Ultrastar or Exos for the new ones. How are your drive temps in that case? Anything over 40C i'd be a little concerned about for drive lifetimes.
EDIT: Getting into that many disks, may be worthwhile to have (if you don't already have some sort of inventory system) a unique label for each drive and then a spreadsheet with label, model, serial #, capacity, vendor bought from, date bought, date installed, location (enclosure #).
Bit of a daunting task, but an idea for a creative video series? A state (or region) breakdown of big(ger) recycle / reuse facilities, besides waste management, that will take e-waste.
"So this is a die-hard drive!"
"No Kk, I said it's a dying hard drive."
"Oh."
I had Seagates die too many times on me too. LOTS of lost data. I stopped using them and stay on WD now. Never have fear anymore.
I hope you will find a way to incorporate a creative video each week or maybe every two weeks. The technical review is easy and hard because it’s easy in the sense it’s about going through a known documented process but hard in that it is also tedious, laborious, and time consuming. The creative is hard because you have to come up with new video idea that may or may not pay off but it’s something you or the other team members enjoy because it is a GN video.
For what is worth I hope you can do more to satisfy your inner creator but also wishing you luck that it too will help pay the bills. I for one will be looking forward to it. 😇😇😇👍👍👍
Three drives in three years? Sounds amazing to me. Ive replaced 5 already this year.
Yeah, it's normal for Seagates to die during warranty. You can get an endless supply of data loss from them.
Steve have you built out what you are planning with that data rack? 2 post rack looks like it is not gonna be the end solution especially with servers coming into play. If you need some help I would love to give some insight to you on planning it out.
Genuinely thought you were keeping Wendell in a closet for a moment.
You claim the warranty on those dead drives? They usually send a free replacement.
We need steve to do a Japanese school girl anime case review
He's done Yeston product reviews
Hmm... I've been looking at those 10Gb TP-Link switches. Have a couple of their 2.5Gb and a 1Gb, but nice to know they're Wendell approved with there not being a lot in the way of 10Gb copper switches with more than two ports... and I'm not interested in blowing a ton on SFP to copper adapters. However, that's unfortunate with the drives. I've got a mixture of Seagate, WD and HGST. They've all let me down, none more than the other, but people love to hate Seagate and it's funny to look in the comments and see them referred to as "the worst." That's a person that never walked into a server room, greeted by a literal three foot tall pile of Samsung hard drives. But I'll admit that Seagate isn't what it used to be.
the "small" black nas case, which one is that? it looks pretty neat
I am actually deeply disappointed noone noticed the continuation of the best running gag of this channel. The hopefully neverending "Thanks Steve!" meme.
Did not expect at all, but definitely made my day!
Thanks Steve!...and Wendell!
is the thermaltake pacific kit any good? seen it on the shelf there and still some in canada
Weird question my case only allows me to screw 3 out of the 4 screws in my WD Red HD is this likely to cause a problem.
Would really love if you guys splurged on a stabilizer for your camera :) The ad hoc filming stuff would look so much more professional, imo.
Persoal recommendation, never use just a single type of drive from only one _manufacturer_ for backups, had to learn that myself (:
I'm pretty sure IronWolf is part of the MCU and once it acquires all of your data, it clicks it's heads and poof! Half your data is gone...
😂
The logo looks great on video, but not so clear in the smaller format below.
What people want to know? Most would be what you want.
Isn't Ironwolf (non-pro) only rated for up to 8 drives per enclosure? And your 8-bay NAS is sitting on top of another enclosure with many drives? Maybe it's more than just a run of bad luck and you need to bump up to Ironwolf Pro or Exos.
nice
Please tell me you saw the video of Linus using a hole saw to fix the air flow on a case the other day?
That was a good mod. Didn't even look half as bad. :-)
Interesting ... I had a Seagate 4TB Ironwolf drive fail on me earlier this year...
any chance the end screen with green lighting and logo will be made available as a downloadable desktop background?
You've earned one more sub. Congratulations 👍. Make new videos... please? Hopefully...
I'm pretty surprised you guys are using Seagate in the first place.
Two questions on the new 10GbE switch; is it managed, and what's the model number? I've been looking for a decent managed 10GbE switch, and they all seem to be AU$1k or more
I'm pretty sure it's a Tp-Link TL-SX1008 (Unmanaged)
@@netnac Many thanks! Shame it's not managed, but I may be able to find an alternate solution for that, so I'll definitely give it a good look :)
Wow, i feel old for recognizing most of that old hardware....
What is the 24 bay NAS case you have there? You only mentioned the drive.
old NetApp disk shelves. Enterprise surplus that is very cheap, but has limitations....good bang for the buck if you have an HBA with external ports
@@TheExard3k Thank you!
csv's should compress really well if you wanted to archive them. But I could also see that being a pain if you just wanted to render a graph from legacy data quickly.