I have say it the same thing it's the same Eve spirit She Coveted to have what Satan said. For God knows you will be like Him. Genesis 3:5 She wasn't CONTENT in the role God had given her. Genesis 3:6 she saw the tree as DESIRABLE (coveting) to make wise and the DELIGHT (lasted/ longing) to the eyes. I believe the ESV gives the best Translation for "your desire will be for your husband" It accurately depicts what we have going on today and throughout human history The ESV says, "your desire will be CONTRARY to you husband" God is pronouncing conflict between the man and the woman in marriage. Adam was not deceived. The Bible says he LISTENED to his wife. Listen means to OBEY. Adam just flat out rebelled against what he knew to do. Adam in his disobedience will have to lead a woman who will fight his leadership.
People distort preaching with being a pastor. They do it on purpose. But we're all called to preach, share the gospel, present the gospel. There's a big difference between that and being a pastor. It's a deliberate distortion.
This is why it was dangerous for Bishop Wooden to say it was ok for women in his church to preach before men cause they were married. This is a thin line, its the little leaven that leavens the whole lump. This is it right here
@kathleenking47 It's a dangerous line cause even if I the Pastor or Bishop don't see a problem, and I give you my wife permission to teach or preach where men are present in our today church today, it goes directly against what Paul said
Many COGIC pastors/bishops add these clauses to affirm women pastors/preachers, and they're wrong to do so. These are man made rules that completely go against the word.
We are in a fallen world. Right is wrong, and wrong is right. God help us to have discernment. God help your children who are blindly being lead astray to see and turn away. Amen ❤
The Samaritan woman ran and told people in her town about Jesus. Just like Mary ran to tell the disciples that Jesus had risen. There was no preaching involved. 🤣 They act like these women were in front of a large group of people on a pulpit somewhere. 🤦🏽♀️Anything to made the Bible say what you want it to say. SMH
Prophetesses: Sarah, Miriam, Deborah, Huldah, Abigail, and Esther Church leaders: Phoebe, who was a church deacon and led in assemblies Mentors: Lois and Eunice, who taught Timothy, and Deborah and Huldah, who mentored in the Old Testament Other women who taught: Priscilla, who taught Apollos, and Mary Magdalene, Joanna, and Mary, mother of James, who taught of Jesus .
@@EmeraldDove1743 Proof, Pentecostalism and Progressivism are based on sloppy hermeneutics. If God speaks to or through a woman one time, or if she speak wisely, that doesn’t mean she occupies the office of prophet. You’ve stretched words to the point of meaninglessness. Deborah was a judge, not a prophet. And that was during a time of apostasy. She only did so because no man would step up. She gave them every chance to assume the office. Huldah was prophetess in a time of apostasy, too. Taking that as normative, or even as applicable in the church, is bad hermeneutics. The bit about Phoebe leading assemblies is pure fiction. Talking to the women at the laundromat wasn’t the same as leading assemblies. Diakonon literally means servant. So, you have to choose between the action of serving and contradicting 1 Timothy 3. If your god contradicts Himself, He isn’t God, and you worship an idol. If God does not contradict Himself, then you must interpret the word as meaning Phoebe was a servant. Mentors: So what? Mary Magdalene and Joanna taught Jesus? Are you a false convert, or just a mistaught birdbrain, Dove? This is why 1 Timothy 2:11-14.
@EmeraldDove1743 you've named some very prominent women that were used in very different and good ways by God! However, none of them were pastors/elders. A biblical prophet/prophetess is simply someone who repeats a message they are given for a group of people or person by God. They don't have a continuous word for the most part when you see them in scripture as opposed to a pastor. All of the women you named are also not all a prophetess. Esther for example was a queen who was chosen for a specific moment in history to save her people, but she still had to submit to the will of the king. The word used in Romans to describe Phoebe (diakonos) is where we get our word deacon, but it simply means servant. And all she did was deliver Paul's letter for him b/c he was locked up. No scripture says she led assemblies. Regarding the "mentors", Timothy's dad was not a believer, so of course his believing mom and grandmother would teach him about Jesus. That's just good parenting. They too were not in front of a congregation. Priscilla did not teach Apollos by herself. She was a tag team with her husband Aquilla, and they pulled him aside afterwards and sat down over a cup of coffee and had a convo. No one is EVER disputing women cannot be used by God, b/c that is a false narrative. However, they do not have the biblical clearance to be pastors/elders/shepherds over a congregation. When Paul says, "for it was the woman that was deceived" he's letting us know this isn't a battle of the sexes, rather a creation, from the beginning issue. Also when the disciples were commissioned to go out and preach and they chose Mattias as a replacement in Acts 1, they were in the presence of men and women. A woman was not even considered. Biblically they are not called to SHEPHERD a flock, but can absolutely share the truth of the gospel as we all should.
Explain this? Prophetesses: Sarah, Miriam, Deborah, Huldah, Abigail, and Esther Church leaders: Phoebe, who was a church deacon and led in assemblies Mentors: Lois and Eunice, who taught Timothy, and Deborah and Huldah, who mentored in the Old Testament Other women who taught: Priscilla, who taught Apollos, and Mary Magdalene, Joanna, and Mary, mother of James, who taught of Jesus .
@@EmeraldDove1743 The only mention of Phobe is as a servant/decon(depending what transition you read but its basically the same thing) of the church in Roman 16:1 never in the Bible will it say she led in assembly. Decons are mentioned in Act 6:1-7 as people who help in business not related to ministry. Like serving tables to widows.
Thank you brother; that’s Bible truth. Women cannot be preachers. They cannot be the head of a man. Truth is for those who have ears to hear. Good teaching. Praise God
You don’t have to look at the world to know we are living in the end times, just observe the proliferation of false prophets, preachers, teachers, self proclaimed apostles, evangelist, etc.
The word is the word no one can go beyond what is written! You are 100% correct we can share it, explain it but we CAN NOT hold the position of PASTOR-POINT BLANK! They get on my nerves with this it is CLEAR AS GLASS what GOD MEANS!
@@Ha-Thinkfirst23 Help me with this please ma’am. Why are certain You-tubers (women) claiming to be pastors. They start out with a channel, they gain a following, and then they offer for people to become members only. The members only I guess is their church that they pastor. They thank people for paying tithe to them. What kind of spirit is this. Are these women deceived or are they just false? Thank you.
I never understood the argument that Paul's teaching concerning the role of women in Corinthians was only directed to the church at Corinth. If that was so, why do we need to believe the rest of the book?
That's been my argument as well. Many of the very same people who believe in women being able to preach and attempt to explain away women being silent in 1 Cor, say it was for that culture and time but will still lean on the same book for tongues.
This happens when you don't have full revelation of the word and take it literally, missing the hidden meaning When the Bible says to hate your mother and father, do you hate them. What criteria do we use to take a scripture literally and not. There is a mystery behind what Paul said in Tim and Corinthians about woman and most on here are missing it by a mile.
Explain this Corey? Prophetesses: Sarah, Miriam, Deborah, Huldah, Abigail, and Esther Church leaders: Phoebe, who was a church deacon and led in assemblies Mentors: Lois and Eunice, who taught Timothy, and Deborah and Huldah, who mentored in the Old Testament Other women who taught: Priscilla, who taught Apollos, and Mary Magdalene, Joanna, and Mary, mother of James, who taught of Jesus .
@@EmeraldDove1743No female was an elder or a pastor. Period. You’re trying to excuse your own behavior and it simply isn’t going to happen. Pray earnestly for clarity from God and get out of your own way.
The most mis-used words currently are "God is love". I didn't say it's false, I said mis-used. God is love but he also wishes that none should perish(2Peter 3:9).
Praise GOD Corey I am SO tired of FALSE teachers taking Scriptures out of Context, Matthew's 4/17 said JESUS began to PREACH REPENT FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND, women are not preachers they do other GREAT things in the BODY OF CHRIST, let's please 2timothy 2/15 and try to Stay in your Lane, the HOLY SPIRIT gives you. Love you always D and C
Explain this ? Prophetesses: Sarah, Miriam, Deborah, Huldah, Abigail, and Esther Church leaders: Phoebe, who was a church deacon and led in assemblies Mentors: Lois and Eunice, who taught Timothy, and Deborah and Huldah, who mentored in the Old Testament Other women who taught: Priscilla, who taught Apollos, and Mary Magdalene, Joanna, and Mary, mother of James, who taught of Jesus .
The man who said “after you read the verse about Paul saying women be quiet in church, run over to the old testament and look at Debora and Esther etc”. Ok. But does that negate what Paul said? No. Because women being in leadership was a sign of Gods judgment! And those women were not the heads of churches etc. Thise women have nothing to do with what Paul is instructing!
Prophetesses: Sarah, Miriam, Deborah, Huldah, Abigail, and Esther Church leaders: Phoebe, who was a church deacon and led in assemblies Mentors: Lois and Eunice, who taught Timothy, and Deborah and Huldah, who mentored in the Old Testament Other women who taught: Priscilla, who taught Apollos, and Mary Magdalene, Joanna, and Mary, mother of James, who taught of Jesus .
To say a woman today can't be an elder in a small church makes no sense, except to Paul and his followers, who have to discount what God did with Deborah, so they can accept a false teaching. How ironic that if Paul lived at her time and his case was sent to Deborah to be judged, he would have to go...and be judged by a woman. Else executed. But the person who acts insolently by not listening to the priest who stands there to serve the Lord your God, nor to the judge, that person shall die; so you shall eliminate the evil from Israel. -excerpt Deuteronomy 17
John 4:16 He told her, “Go, call your husband and come back.” John 4:27 Just then his disciples returned and were surprised to find him talking with a woman. But no one asked, “What do you want?” or “Why are you talking with her?” Its pretty obvious how correct you are!! God bless, Christ is king!
And in Revelation the last being proclaiming the Gospel is an angel. In the very end, God will use an angel. The spreading of the Gospel will be so serious that He will use a being He can trust. I found this interesting.
They all did!Prophetesses: Sarah, Miriam, Deborah, Huldah, Abigail, and Esther Church leaders: Phoebe, who was a church deacon and led in assemblies Mentors: Lois and Eunice, who taught Timothy, and Deborah and Huldah, who mentored in the Old Testament Other women who taught: Priscilla, who taught Apollos, and Mary Magdalene, Joanna, and Mary, mother of James, who taught of Jesus .
@@EmeraldDove1743But they were not pastors. They were sent to do wonderful things and they played their role that God had for them but they were not Pastors
Women can share the gospel to the lost world but we are not pastors and elders in the church. I love sharing the gospel and mentoring women. I love being a woman in my biblical role submitted to my husband!
Corey please listen to Angela and do a video on third Adam. Women are not being ministered to by lame and fake money hungry preachers. We men know we are accountable but male preachers have failed Godly men by not doing there job in preaching our roles
Amen! We have to follow the truth of God's Word. He's a God of order. It would make no sense if i submit to my husband in the house but my husband submits under a female pastor at church.
Pastor Corey I almost got cussed out one time cause I respectfully told her the Mary needed a Savior as well.She didn't like that one bit. Sweet lady though but she was visibly upset. Pray for Mrs Judy to get saved. Thank you brother for your videos ❤❤❤
Simping doesn't stop because someone is a preacher. It's pandering to the world and embracing a spirit of feminism. When we go against God's order, we are simply out of order.
Guys. This debate is already settled in scripture. In these last days we have 2 types of Christians. The few that tries to adhere to the teachings of the Scripture and the majority who do not. One is wrong, and one is right. You can not argue with someone who thinks God is telling them to go against scripture. As long as they know what the scripture says and willfully ignore, you are speaking to a rock. Go speak to people who are not a part of the faith yet
People tend to confuse testifying with preaching. Women were never called to preach. A woman can only testify and prophecy, praise and worship in the church.
Amos was the first prophet to proclaim the coming salvation to the gentiles. Somewhat irrelevant but fun fact at the same time. God Bless and Maranatha!
7:56 Deborah: It Is Written! KJV - Judges 5 : 7 "Until That I DEBORAH Arose, That I Arose A MOTHER in ISRAEL.” - - - KJV - Matthew 12 : 50 “For Whosoever Shall Do THE WILL of MY FATHER Which Is In Heaven, THE SAME Is My Brother, and Sister, AND MOTHER.”
Prophetesses: Sarah, Miriam, Deborah, Huldah, Abigail, and Esther Church leaders: Phoebe, who was a church deacon and led in assemblies Mentors: Lois and Eunice, who taught Timothy, and Deborah and Huldah, who mentored in the Old Testament Other women who taught: Priscilla, who taught Apollos, and Mary Magdalene, Joanna, and Mary, mother of James, who taught of Jesus .
Paul commended Timothy's mother and grandmother for how well they trained Timothy up in the knowledge of the Scriptures. That's where women get to teach. It's an admiral and vital teaching role. Why is a mother teaching her children so overlooked and under vaued?
2 Timothy 3:15 is likely what's being referenced here, but that passage doesn't actually say who taught Timothy, could it have been his mother and grandmother? Possibly: they are the ones referenced in 1:5.
Many women are showing their disobedience because looking at society children were not trained and young women were not raised properly, that in itself should be an indication if that wasn't done well why do women want to run the church wen the home is out of order .... someone once sd a clear indication of what society looks like is what was taught or not taught in ones home
What I have been brought to understand in this last year is how one understands Genesis chapters 1-3 determines/shapes how one understands and interprets the entire Scripture, especially Genesis 1:27-28. What is the "it" that was to be subdued (NKJV)? Was it only the male that was to subdue it alone? One area where this specific subdue is found is Micah 7:19. A few others include Num 32:22, 29; Josh 18:1, 2 Sam 8:11. If the woman was to subdue as well, how? Were the man and woman to subdue together?
Look, they word it as people “don’t want women in the ministry “. That’s not true. They’re already lying to make themselves look more knowledge about scripture, as well as more inclusive etc. women should not be in positions of leadership in the church! Pastors deacons elders etc. that’s all were saying because that is exactly what scripture says. Man was made first. Woman sinned first and caused her husband to sin. Women can not be head of their husbands at home, why would we think that would be allowed in the church? So a woman pastor, is she also the head of her husband at home? Probably not. Why does she think one is permissible but the other isn’t?
A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge's verdict could not be altered or appealed. A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting.
Act 2:17 “’In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, Deborah called as prophet, and the only one described as performing a judicial function, meaning that she was a shepherd of God people. Deborah also lead men.
To the real ones remaining that still believe these lies and to our sisters too, I hope they also learn that those who teach will be judged more strictly. And I think God has also given us a plausible reason why women shouldnt be pastors (1 Tim 2:13-14). It should stand to reason for anyone that following a deceived person, male or female, is just unwise.
Amen....that right there is end game....why would you want to be judged more harshly? The mere fact ppl are boldly lying on the Word lets me know there is no fear for God Almighty
I agree with a lot of what you say here and I just want to raise some points to clarify and where I disagree. As you pointed out, women were certainly not the first to preach the Gospel. The disciples were (Mt 10:5ff). However, the Scriptures are clear that women were the first to carry the Good News of the resurrected Christ. (Mt 28: 1-8; Mk 16:1-8; Luke 24:1-10; Jn 20: 11-18) All four Gospels give an account. Funny that. Might have something to do with the fact that culturally a women's testimony meant little, and that they would require 2-3 witnesses. So God gave them four. One of the prominent controversies of Jesus' ministry was the length he went to in displaying a shift in paradigm for women in His kingdom. (Mary being welcomed to sit at Jesus' feet while He taught being a prime example) This was once exclusively a man's place. Now concerning the woman at the well (again I agree, she certainly wasn't the first to preach the gospel). Yes, men did tell her that they 'now' believe after hearing for themselves, but v39 still states that men believed 'because' of the woman's testimony. There may be some overlapping or differences in the causes of their belief. But v39 still stands. Shall we rob the sower of due honor because she's a woman? Moving on. 1Tim chapt 2. The subject of women teaching and having authority "over" a man and qualifications to be overseer are two totally separate topics. I agree 100% that you cannot argue against the text that only men are to hold office as Elder/Deacon or Pastor. However, verse 12 shows that a woman's teaching is juxtaposed with her having authority "over" a man. The key word is "over". That is, a woman's teaching does not usurp, or over-rule men's teaching. Why? because Eve was deceived, not Adam. If the men in the church say she is wrong, she is wrong, they over-ride her every time. It's not a prohibition, it's a boundary. Now in 1Cor 14:34,35 the text says that women are to remain silent in the churches. However, not only doesn't it sound like Paul, but it contradicts his statement at chapter 11:5 where woman can pray and prophecy with conditions (head-covering) I believe (as do others) Paul is quoting a Corinthian idiom (as he does elsewhere. 1Cor 10:23) pushed by the Judaisers, and that Verse 36 is a rebuttal. The KJV, RSV, WEB, ASV and the HNV (Hebrew Names version) start v36 with the word "What"? was it from you only....etc which turns the verse into a rebuttal, which is the only translation that makes contextual and grammatical sense, allowing the context to flow. That's why most theologians (using the other versions), believe these verses don't belong there and are a scribal error. I believe they do belong there, just change the first word, which the Greek makes applicable (allows for), and it all makes sense. It's ironic that the issue of women teaching is raised in a letter to Timothy who is overseeing a church where Apollos was instructed (taught/teach) more accurately (his theology was fine-tuned), by Priscilla and Aquila (Acts 18:26). I don't think it's coincidence that Priscilla's name is intentionally mentioned first. It was culturally inappropriate to put the wife's/woman's name before the man without a specific reson. It makes sense that It was placed there by Luke, deliberately, to emphasis she was the dominant figure. We must not play down her role, simply because it doesn't suit previous interpretations regarding women teaching, which is easily rebutted. Not sure who those people are that you used to raise your counter-argument. But to have sat through hours of that would have been nauseating to say he least. Not sure I could have done it. Cliffe (Knechtle) on the other hand, is usually good to watch But that episode was surprisingly exegetically appalling. Somewhere in there you quote Gen 3:16 'the man shall rule "over" you' and state He (God) didn't change that. I beg to differ. Throughout the Gospels Jesus sets the stage for a complete shift in paradigm for women, in the way He treated them and presented them to the Old Testament religious culture' Pointing to a return to the ideal in the garden of Eden. A significant message of the Gospel is that we are ALL "sons" of God. No male and female, "all" are Christs and all heirs according to his promise (Gal 3:26-4:7) It is also undeniable that there are women out there who carry the gift of teaching by the Holy Spirit, for the edification of the Church. Don't misunderstand me, I'm fully aware that there are women out there who do, that aren't. In saying that there are just as many men as well, as your videos pointed out. I know this is long. But it was bugging me. Blessings to you and yours.
I have never heard anyone quote the scriptures like this before! Woow! That was amazing and well taught! ❤ I have heard very similar things as you stated ,but you gave proof from the scriptures on all ends.
People want to be the latest and the greatest instead of just telling the TRUTH...Im going to exegete my own reference... God and Jesus want us to tell the Gospel TRUTH...
Brother I agree 100% with you, a woman should not be a Pastor, but wasn’t a woman called a Deacon in this verse. “I commend to you our sister Phoebe, who is a deacon in the church in Cenchrea. Welcome her in the Lord as one who is worthy of honor among God’s people. Help her in whatever she needs, for she has been helpful to many, and especially to me.” Romans 16:1-2 NLT
I agree with you on this. Why do you not ever hear a woman preach on this scripture? And why are they still forcing the issue? If these women who say they believe in God, why not do what God says to do, search the scriptures for in them you might find life. It's like trying to put a pair of shoes on that doesn't fit. Women come back to the Bible.
Explain this? Prophetesses: Sarah, Miriam, Deborah, Huldah, Abigail, and Esther Church leaders: Phoebe, who was a church deacon and led in assemblies Mentors: Lois and Eunice, who taught Timothy, and Deborah and Huldah, who mentored in the Old Testament Other women who taught: Priscilla, who taught Apollos, and Mary Magdalene, Joanna, and Mary, mother of James, who taught of Jesus .
Mary Magdalene was ORDERED by Jesus to preach of His resurrection to men. The resurrection of Jesus is a key part of the gospel. But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied. -excerpt 1 Corinthians 15 When she had said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, and yet she did not know that it was Jesus. Jesus said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking?” Thinking that He was the gardener, she said to Him, “Sir, if you have carried Him away, tell me where you put Him, and I will take Him away.” Jesus said to her, “Mary!” She turned and said to Him in Hebrew, “Rabboni!”. Jesus said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’” Mary Magdalene came and announced to the disciples, “I have seen the Lord,” and that He had said these things to her. -excerpt John 20
Wow I didn't expect that from cliff at all..... cliff added to the scriptures I respect this man deep for his work of evangelism but he is dead wrong here
Mary Magdalene simply told other believers that Jesus had risen, that's not preaching but merely reporting to her Fellow believers that Jesus saying He would rise, happened. Besides this, telling this to the other converts is not being a Preacher like Ephesians 4:11. Also the woman at the well simply said could this be the Messiah, there's no preaching the gospel there at all.
Mary Magdalene was ORDERED by Jesus to preach of His resurrection to men. The resurrection of Jesus is a key part of the gospel. But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied. -excerpt 1 Corinthians 15 When she had said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, and yet she did not know that it was Jesus. Jesus said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking?” Thinking that He was the gardener, she said to Him, “Sir, if you have carried Him away, tell me where you put Him, and I will take Him away.” Jesus said to her, “Mary!” She turned and said to Him in Hebrew, “Rabboni!”. Jesus said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’” Mary Magdalene came and announced to the disciples, “I have seen the Lord,” and that He had said these things to her. -excerpt John 20
The pastor functions in roles of authority and is a picture of Christ. Paul said he does not allow a woman to teach or usurp authority over the man but to be in silence. Therefore when we assemble women aren't allowed to function in any of these roles once men are present. Funny how the actual roles for women are sidelined.
Phoebe was a deaconess= servant What's happening is that people are using cliches instead of going with the word of God. Not one time in scripture do you see a woman having spiritual authority over a man. If a woman could be a pastor In the church then that means she's also the pastor of her home because those roles don't stop because you leave the church service. I always ask if the office of the Bishop or pastor is clearly described in the Bible for men Then what is the credentials for a woman being a pastor. A lot of these men standing up for women preachers have been raised by women
you wrote: Not one time in scripture do you see a woman having spiritual authority over a man. A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge's verdict could not be altered or appealed. Refusal to accept a Judge's verdict on any matter, resulted in execution, according to Deuteronomy.
@user-iz8np3vv4i ..... I said spiritual authority over a man, not referring to being a judge which is a occupation like judge judy etc. Even Deborah knew her place and knew Barak was supposed to lead ACCORDING TO THE PROPHESY but because he coward down she had to lead..... That particular account was an indictment against the man. So I guess since there were children that were kings in the Old Testament That means it's okay for children to be pastors too, right??? Pick whatever translation you want and you will see that it is an issue when women lead over men Isaiah 3:12: As for My people, children are their oppressors, and WOMEN RULE over them! O My people, they that lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths. ASV As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they that lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths. AMP O My people! Children are their oppressors, And women rule over them. O My people! Your leaders lead you astray And confuse (destroy, swallow up) the direction of your paths No matter what you try to find in the Old Testament, you will never see a woman being a priest or being in spiritual authority over men Teaching in the synagogue, temple or in the new testament church. How many elders did moses choose that were women? How many priests in old testament were women? How many apostles did jesus choose that were women? On the day of Pentecost, when it was time to choose Judas replacement and there were women in the upper room Did they choose a man or a woman?
@@itsintheword230 I wrote a free informal essay on Deborah. I am very familiar with her story AND what a Judge was. __________________________________________________ you wrote: I said spiritual authority over a man, not referring to being a judge which is a occupation like judge judy etc. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation (In case the reader in unaware, the word pastor and the word shepherd are the same word. I prefer shepherd, because it has obvious meaning to the average person.) Major modern English translations like the NASB use the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people... In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation Some believe that pastor (or shepherd), is a position that was created in the New Covenant. This is not true. In the Old Testament shepherds are mentioned multiple times. Often in a negative way. “My people have become lost sheep; Their shepherds have led them astray. -excerpt Jeremiah 50 For an entire chapter on worthless shepherds, the reader may check out Ezekiel 34. When the shepherd over Israel died, the people went back into sin. That is because the Judge was the most important spiritual leader of this time period. But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways. -excerpt Judges 2 ____________________________________________________________ you wrote: Pick whatever translation you want and you will see that it is an issue when women lead over men Isaiah 3:12: ... THE REASON GOD SENT HER here: ...the Lord was moved to pity... And when the Lord raised up judges for them, the Lord was with the judge and saved them from the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge; for the Lord was moved to pity by their groaning because of those who tormented and oppressed them. -excerpt Judges 2 The sending of a Judge meant God was showing mercy to His people. It wasn't a judgment against them. Since Deborah was a woman, this scripture is sometimes used in error to describe her, in our time: My people! Their oppressors treat them violently, And women rule over them. My people! Those who guide you lead you astray And confuse the direction of your paths. -excerpt Isaiah 3 They are taking the prophetess Deborah and comparing her to Jezebel who murdered prophets. Has it not been reported to my master what I did when Jezebel killed the prophets of the Lord, that I hid a hundred prophets of the Lord... -excerpt 1 Kings 18 When a Judge died, THEN people were led astray. But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways. -excerpt Judges 2 After Deborah's time in Judges 4 and 5, we see confirmation of the people turning back and acting more corruptly than their fathers. Then the sons of Israel did what was evil in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord handed them over to Midian for seven years. The power of Midian prevailed against Israel. -excerpt Judges 6 first two sentences (above) When the shepherd over Israel died, the people went back into sin. That is because the Judge was the most important spiritual leader of this time period.
@@itsintheword230 you wrote: Even Deborah knew her place and knew Barak was supposed to lead... Were Deborah AND Barak Judges? Was Barak a Judge? Was Deborah a Judge? And when the Lord raised up judges for them, the Lord was with the judge and saved them from the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge; for the Lord was moved to pity by their groaning because of those who tormented and oppressed them. -excerpt Judges 2 Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time. She used to sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim; and the sons of Israel went up to her for judgment. -excerpt Judges 4 The peasantry came to an end, they came to an end in Israel, Until I, Deborah, arose, Until I arose, a mother in Israel. -excerpt Judges 5 Tola and Jair were also Judges. ..., rose up to save Israel... Now after Abimelech died, Tola the son of Puah, the son of Dodo, a man of Issachar, rose up to save Israel; and he lived in Shamir in the hill country of Ephraim. He judged Israel for twenty-three years. Then he died and was buried in Shamir. ...rose up and judged Israel... After him, Jair the Gileadite rose up and judged Israel for twenty-two years. And he had thirty sons who rode on thirty donkeys, and they had thirty cities in the land of Gilead that are called Havvoth-jair to this day. And Jair died and was buried in Kamon. -excerpt Judges 10 The same phrasing is used regarding Deborah, Tola and Jair. They were all Judges. Deborah: Until I, Deborah, arose, Until I arose... Tola: "...rose up..." Jair: "...rose up..."
Barak is never referred to as a Judge. He was commander of the army. Deborah was the Judge over Israel at this time. She knew it, and so did Barak. Now she sent word and summoned Barak... -excerpt Judges 4 (above) Deborah summoning Barak. She gave the order for the battle to begin that Israel won. Then Deborah said to Barak, “Arise! For this is the day on which the Lord has handed Sisera over to you... -excerpt Judges 4 (above) Deborah ordering Barak. CONCLUSION Deborah was a Judge. Barak was not a Judge.
@@itsintheword230 you wrote: you will never see a woman being a priest or being in spiritual authority over men Teaching... HER JUDGING AUTHORITY here: Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time. She used to sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim; and the sons of Israel went up to her for judgment. -excerpt Judges 4 Deborah judged men and had the authority to execute, as some sins in the Old Covenant, such as murder, demanded the death penalty as the punishment. There was no appeal to Deborah's (a Judge's) verdict: ... you shall not turn aside from the word which they declare to you, to the right or the left. If a man rejected Deborah's decision, the penalty was execution: But the person who acts insolently by not listening to the priest who stands there to serve the Lord your God, nor to the judge, that person shall die;... She used the Law, therefore scripture, when judging and instructing: In accordance with the terms of the law about which they instruct you... She had the same authority as a Levitical priest: So you shall come to the Levitical priests or the judge... The location she judged was determined by God. It was not a small cabin or cave, but outdoors. Therefore a public setting: ...go up to the place which the Lord your God chooses. [She used to sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country... -excerpt Judges 4] Also of note, she judged the hardest cases in the nation. “If a case is too difficult for you to decide, between one kind of homicide or another, between one kind of lawsuit or another, and between one kind of assault or another, that are cases of dispute in your courts, then you shall arise and go up to the place which the Lord your God chooses. So you shall come to the Levitical priests or the judge who is in office in those days, and you shall inquire of them and they will declare to you the verdict. Then you shall act in accordance with the terms of the verdict which they declare to you from that place which the Lord chooses; and you shall be careful to act in accordance with everything that they instruct you to do. In accordance with the terms of the law about which they instruct you, and in accordance with the verdict which they tell you, you shall act; you shall not turn aside from the word which they declare to you, to the right or the left. But the person who acts insolently by not listening to the priest who stands there to serve the Lord your God, nor to the judge, that person shall die; so you shall eliminate the evil from Israel. -excerpt Deuteronomy 17
There are things written by Apostle Paul that are hard to understand. Even Apostle Peter warned us as much. It would be wise to admit that some things we will not fully understand and be comfortable with that thought. 1 Tim 2:12-14 is one such scripture. If one stops at verse 14 it would make sense. But verse 15 starts with "Nevertheless" meaning that it is directly linked to preceding verses and goes on to seemingly suggest another way through which women will be saved. This is hard and it would be great if Corey (and indeed like minded bible readers) can reconcile verse 15 to what has be written in prior verses. We know in part and should be comforted by that
Romans 16:1-2 I do need help with these verses brother and how it fits within the ideas that women don't hold titles, not pastors, but I'm still seeing title and regard. I'm almost 100 percent with you but I still think that I need a deeper study. I am working on it though brother. Great videos brother. Keep pushing.
Since a woman could be a pastor in the Old Covenant, a woman can be a pastor in the New Covenant. Simple really. I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting. Read time: 12 minutes free
How is literally just talking considered being a pastor???? Does anyone know what a pastor does? It's not just speaking. They act like we think women can't talk. So bizarre.
There are so many things that we can do in the church. We can help the younger women, but we often would rather talk about them. Look at the state of most young women in the church, who have no other sister to show her how godly women are to conduct themselves.
This is such a dangerous and polarizing subject, and I don’t know why! The Bible says women are not to preach or pastor. “They have eyes and they do not see they have ears and they do not hear!”
Since a woman could be a pastor in the Old Covenant, a woman can be a pastor in the New Covenant. Simple really. I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge's verdict could not be altered or appealed. A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting.
You're not going to hell because you preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ. God uses whom He chooses to do His bidding. "Your sons and daughters shall prophesy,...And also upon My menservants and My Maidservants I will pour out my Spirit in those days." Joel 2:28,29. I refuse to get involved in this argument. I do know that if The Holy Spirit directs you to speak out and you quench the Holy Spirit you better be ready to answer to God. I've said my peace and I'm not going to respond to subsequent replies
Totally irrelevant! The tithing is a similar issue. The only New Testament mentions of tithing is always in reference to 'the law' and is before Jesus went to the cross, therefore Old Testament compliance. To teach otherwise is unscriptural just as we are seeing other distortions of scripture.
@@smartchristians Exactly!! The only New Testament mentions of tithing is always in reference to 'the law' and is before Jesus went to the cross, therefore Old Testament compliance. To teach otherwise is unscriptural just as we are seeing other distortions of scripture.
I don't care what anyone says. CONTEXT does matter. We are to study (discern) when reading scripture just as with anything else; you can't take everything for face value because the scriptures are not always black and white.
False prophets running amock these days that's why you need to study the Bible yourself and let the Holy Spirit guide you and also attend a true Bible believing church.
It appears to me that we're conflating words and terms. In Ephesians 4:11, Paul makes a distinction among several positions including prophets vs pastors and teachers. Can't someone prophesy(be a prophetess and not be a pastor). Can't someone teach(impart information) and not be a pastor(leader of a flock). Moreover, according to 1 Corinthians 12:10, isn't prophecy a separate gift outside of pastoring? According to 1 Corinthians 11:5, Paul doesn't have a problem with women prophesying. Isn't prophesying different than pastoring . Also, if a deacon was the same as a pastor, why did Paul specifically outline the qualifications of a deavon in 1Timothy 3:8-13. Finally, if someone carries a message, could that be considered pastoring?
Women were so oppressed prior to Christianity that they were treated poorly at times and disregarded. So after the resurrection of Jesus, Jesus took the opportunity to appear to Mary first. It was this appearance to Mary to let women know that we're all the same and that Jesus can reveal himself to a woman as well. This, however, wasn't a point to affirm that women can pastor a church. I really hate hearing this argument because it's wrong. I hear it all the time, and I just shake my head. It's a huge difference.
Women were so oppressed that they were queens in other nations and had a goddess in Ephesus and almost all of Asia. “And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,” Acts 8:27 KJV “And when the queen of Sheba heard of the fame of Solomon concerning the name of the LORD, she came to prove him with hard questions.” 1 Kings 10:1 KJV “Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands: so that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at nought; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worshippeth. And when they heard these sayings, they were full of wrath, and cried out, saying, Great is Diana of the Ephesians.” Acts 19:26-28 KJV “But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil. But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine. And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?” Jeremiah 44:17-19 KJV “The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.” Jeremiah 7:18 KJV
I just have a question, you mentioned that a woman can not be a deacon, so what do we do with (Romans 16.1)NIV "I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon[a][b] of the church in Cenchreae". The NLT "I commend to you our sister Phoebe, who is a deacon in the church in Cenchrea". KJV "I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea". A servant in the church, such as a deacon, a pastor, an elder, is one who works in the area of administration within the church, just to mention one of the many tasks that are performed in the ecclesiastical environment. So how can we say that a woman cannot be a deaconess, when Paul is presenting Phoebes in such a way? Now in (1 Timothy 2:11-14) Paul is dealing with a matter of discipline and not one of ecclesiastical positions. To say that this means that women cannot preach or hold any position in the church is total madness, because if this were so, not only would Paul have made it clear, but Christ himself would have said it at some point in the ministry, but He did not. This very controversial issue does not help the building of the church at all, on the contrary it brings discomfort and annoyance, both among women and those men who believe that women cannot hold a position in the church. Again, nowhere in Scripture does it openly say that women cannot hold an ecclesiastical position. Surely you know that when studying Scripture, you have to take both historical and cultural aspects, and Paul expressing something, under his culture, and during the time this letter was written, the roles of men and women in society were different from today. Women typically had limited public roles and were often expected to focus on domestic responsibilities. Now that I have established all this, Paul's letters often addressed specific issues in the early Christian communities. In this case, it seems Paul was addressing disorderly conduct within the Ephesian church, where Timothy was a leader. Excuse me, but as a theology student, I have taken on the task of studying this issue, due to the much controversy it has caused in the church. I still follow your channel and I believe you do a great job, but on this matter I have to disagree. Blessing my friend.🙏
She wasn’t the first woman to be a preacher, but I would say she was the first witness of a risen savior hallelujah. Praise God he lives my Jesus lives amen.
(not this channel) My quick answer is here: ...because the hair instead of a covering hath been given to her... In your own selves judge ye; is it seemly for a woman uncovered to pray to God? doth not even nature itself teach you, that if a man indeed have long hair, a dishonour it is to him? and a woman, if she have long hair, a glory it is to her, because the hair instead of a covering hath been given to her;... -Young's Literal Translation (YLT) Does even nature itself not teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her? For her hair is given to her as a covering. -NASB A woman's long hair is the 'covering'. If a fabric covering is actually required, then all references to hair are totally irrelevant to the subject. It only can make sense if the long hair of a woman is the 'covering'. She should be covered, with her long hair. To have short hair, like a man, means that she is basically bald. Therefore uncovered.
Why is it that when people quote certain scriptures in the Bible to say women can't preach, teach or hold office in the body of Christ, especially the one about let them silent. It's my understanding that was during a certain dispensation were there were women prostitutes, worshipping Diana, etc. When other passages are mentioned to support women we want to say oh that's wrong. We need to check ourselves before we wreck ourselves, folks tend to take scriptures twist them for whatever reason. Look at how in this century there are and have been women that are definitely preaching, teaching under the power of the Holy Ghost Himself. Now, I may understand about certain offices, but if we any discernment at all, we can't deny the anointing and calling some women walk in. And my final sentiments and comments are don't for these in the Bible for example Miriam, Deborah, Huldah, The Samaritan Women, Phillips Daughters, Phoebe, Priscilla, and Lois and Eunice. I'm sure folks will even try to discredit, or something. God help us all❤❤
Exactly many females that say they are called to preach it always starts with them leaving and breaking up congregations for females to follow, then they come out with songs, books, some form of talent....ppl are looking to pimp out Jesus by twisting and defaming His Word...
Explain this ? Prophetesses: Sarah, Miriam, Deborah, Huldah, Abigail, and Esther Church leaders: Phoebe, who was a church deacon and led in assemblies Mentors: Lois and Eunice, who taught Timothy, and Deborah and Huldah, who mentored in the Old Testament Other women who taught: Priscilla, who taught Apollos, and Mary Magdalene, Joanna, and Mary, mother of James, who taught of Jesus .
The scriptures doesn’t give women the authority to preach, study the book of Titus the entire book teaches the qualifications, and one of those qualifications is to have one WIFE that alone eliminates a woman preacher or to whole office over the man in the church
So what are the qualifications for the title/position of 'father'? Paul believed he was a father, and that there were others. He regarded the title/position as valid and also special. For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers... -excerpt 1 Corinthians 4 KJV -words of Paul And do not call anyone on earth your father; for only One is your Father, He who is in heaven. -excerpt Matthew 23 -words of Jesus Paul never states the qualifications for being a 'father'. Even though this title/position is rare and special according to Paul. Be careful of the teachings of Paul.
From EVE to now.......nothing has changed.
The woman should not usurp AUTHORITY in the Church over the man.
I have say it the same thing it's the same Eve spirit
She Coveted to have what Satan said.
For God knows you will be like Him. Genesis 3:5
She wasn't CONTENT in the role God had given her.
Genesis 3:6 she saw the tree as DESIRABLE (coveting) to make wise and the DELIGHT (lasted/ longing) to the eyes.
I believe the ESV gives the best
Translation for "your desire will be for your husband"
It accurately depicts what we have going on today and throughout human history
The ESV says, "your desire will be CONTRARY to you husband"
God is pronouncing conflict between the man and the woman in marriage. Adam was not deceived. The Bible says he LISTENED to his wife. Listen means to OBEY. Adam just flat out rebelled against what he knew to do.
Adam in his disobedience will have to lead a woman who will fight his leadership.
Jesus was the first one to preach the gospel.
Good one
Well, some of them are saying that Jesus is a woman
John the Baptist prepared the way
@@YouPew1873but Jesus was the first person to preach his own gospel.
Isaiah preached/ prophesied the gospel. John did. Jesus did.
People distort preaching with being a pastor. They do it on purpose. But we're all called to preach, share the gospel, present the gospel. There's a big difference between that and being a pastor. It's a deliberate distortion.
Exactly
Exactly!!!! I guess since the donkey warned the prophet in the Old Testament That means that animals can preach too, right
Thank you! Been saying this for a while! SPOT ON!
That is so true. People miss that point ☝️
Amen! You've hit the nail on the head.
This is why it was dangerous for Bishop Wooden to say it was ok for women in his church to preach before men cause they were married. This is a thin line, its the little leaven that leavens the whole lump. This is it right here
That's the only thing off about him😵
It could be the COGIC
IDK
it's not biblical
Those women weren't pastors
@kathleenking47
It's a dangerous line cause even if I the Pastor or Bishop don't see a problem, and I give you my wife permission to teach or preach where men are present in our today church today, it goes directly against what Paul said
Many COGIC pastors/bishops add these clauses to affirm women pastors/preachers, and they're wrong to do so. These are man made rules that completely go against the word.
YES!!! I SAW THAT TOO AND COMMENTED!!!!
We are in a fallen world. Right is wrong, and wrong is right. God help us to have discernment. God help your children who are blindly being lead astray to see and turn away. Amen ❤
Thank you for taking time to TRUTHFULLY educate us on this topic.
The Samaritan woman ran and told people in her town about Jesus. Just like Mary ran to tell the disciples that Jesus had risen. There was no preaching involved. 🤣 They act like these women were in front of a large group of people on a pulpit somewhere. 🤦🏽♀️Anything to made the Bible say what you want it to say. SMH
Speaking of the good news in any context is preaching
@@marktravis5162No, you’re using “preaching” dishonestly.
Prophetesses: Sarah, Miriam, Deborah, Huldah, Abigail, and Esther
Church leaders: Phoebe, who was a church deacon and led in assemblies
Mentors: Lois and Eunice, who taught Timothy, and Deborah and Huldah, who mentored in the Old Testament
Other women who taught: Priscilla, who taught Apollos, and Mary Magdalene, Joanna, and Mary, mother of James, who taught of Jesus .
@@EmeraldDove1743 Proof, Pentecostalism and Progressivism are based on sloppy hermeneutics.
If God speaks to or through a woman one time, or if she speak wisely, that doesn’t mean she occupies the office of prophet. You’ve stretched words to the point of meaninglessness.
Deborah was a judge, not a prophet. And that was during a time of apostasy. She only did so because no man would step up. She gave them every chance to assume the office. Huldah was prophetess in a time of apostasy, too. Taking that as normative, or even as applicable in the church, is bad hermeneutics.
The bit about Phoebe leading assemblies is pure fiction. Talking to the women at the laundromat wasn’t the same as leading assemblies.
Diakonon literally means servant. So, you have to choose between the action of serving and contradicting 1 Timothy 3. If your god contradicts Himself, He isn’t God, and you worship an idol. If God does not contradict Himself, then you must interpret the word as meaning Phoebe was a servant.
Mentors: So what?
Mary Magdalene and Joanna taught Jesus? Are you a false convert, or just a mistaught birdbrain, Dove? This is why 1 Timothy 2:11-14.
@EmeraldDove1743 you've named some very prominent women that were used in very different and good ways by God! However, none of them were pastors/elders.
A biblical prophet/prophetess is simply someone who repeats a message they are given for a group of people or person by God. They don't have a continuous word for the most part when you see them in scripture as opposed to a pastor.
All of the women you named are also not all a prophetess. Esther for example was a queen who was chosen for a specific moment in history to save her people, but she still had to submit to the will of the king.
The word used in Romans to describe Phoebe (diakonos) is where we get our word deacon, but it simply means servant. And all she did was deliver Paul's letter for him b/c he was locked up. No scripture says she led assemblies.
Regarding the "mentors", Timothy's dad was not a believer, so of course his believing mom and grandmother would teach him about Jesus. That's just good parenting. They too were not in front of a congregation.
Priscilla did not teach Apollos by herself. She was a tag team with her husband Aquilla, and they pulled him aside afterwards and sat down over a cup of coffee and had a convo.
No one is EVER disputing women cannot be used by God, b/c that is a false narrative. However, they do not have the biblical clearance to be pastors/elders/shepherds over a congregation.
When Paul says, "for it was the woman that was deceived" he's letting us know this isn't a battle of the sexes, rather a creation, from the beginning issue. Also when the disciples were commissioned to go out and preach and they chose Mattias as a replacement in Acts 1, they were in the presence of men and women. A woman was not even considered. Biblically they are not called to SHEPHERD a flock, but can absolutely share the truth of the gospel as we all should.
Doctrine before sensationalism, and truth before fiction,
Thank you brother for staying true to God's word and not submitting to the whims of the culture!
Explain this? Prophetesses: Sarah, Miriam, Deborah, Huldah, Abigail, and Esther
Church leaders: Phoebe, who was a church deacon and led in assemblies
Mentors: Lois and Eunice, who taught Timothy, and Deborah and Huldah, who mentored in the Old Testament
Other women who taught: Priscilla, who taught Apollos, and Mary Magdalene, Joanna, and Mary, mother of James, who taught of Jesus .
@@EmeraldDove1743 Joel 2:28. Your daughters will prophesy.
@@EmeraldDove1743 The only mention of Phobe is as a servant/decon(depending what transition you read but its basically the same thing) of the church in Roman 16:1 never in the Bible will it say she led in assembly. Decons are mentioned in Act 6:1-7 as people who help in business not related to ministry. Like serving tables to widows.
Thank you brother; that’s Bible truth. Women cannot be preachers. They cannot be the head of a man. Truth is for those who have ears to hear. Good teaching. Praise God
You don’t have to look at the world to know we are living in the end times, just observe the proliferation of false prophets, preachers, teachers, self proclaimed apostles, evangelist, etc.
Exactly everyone is going against Scripture yet if they were right then why does society look this way...hmm
The word is the word no one can go beyond what is written! You are 100% correct we can share it, explain it but we CAN NOT hold the position of PASTOR-POINT BLANK! They get on my nerves with this it is CLEAR AS GLASS what GOD MEANS!
Yes 🙌 and amen!!! I feel the same way!
You said it sis, women can share the gospel anywhere. Why is there such thirst and hunger for this 1 leadership position in the pulpit?
@@ksfranklin7004 the spirit of Jezebel is where that desire comes from. They want control and power.
@@Ha-Thinkfirst23 Help me with this please ma’am. Why are certain You-tubers (women) claiming to be pastors. They start out with a channel, they gain a following, and then they offer for people to become members only. The members only I guess is their church that they pastor. They thank people for paying tithe to them. What kind of spirit is this. Are these women deceived or are they just false? Thank you.
@@sylviaruth5008 they weren’t deceived they are just false here to deceive.
I never understood the argument that Paul's teaching concerning the role of women in Corinthians was only directed to the church at Corinth. If that was so, why do we need to believe the rest of the book?
That's been my argument as well. Many of the very same people who believe in women being able to preach and attempt to explain away women being silent in 1 Cor, say it was for that culture and time but will still lean on the same book for tongues.
@@smartchristiansGive them 1 Timothy 2 . If that doesn’t work Isaiah 3:12.
This happens when you don't have full revelation of the word and take it literally, missing the hidden meaning
When the Bible says to hate your mother and father, do you hate them.
What criteria do we use to take a scripture literally and not.
There is a mystery behind what Paul said in Tim and Corinthians about woman and most on here are missing it by a mile.
Explain this Corey? Prophetesses: Sarah, Miriam, Deborah, Huldah, Abigail, and Esther
Church leaders: Phoebe, who was a church deacon and led in assemblies
Mentors: Lois and Eunice, who taught Timothy, and Deborah and Huldah, who mentored in the Old Testament
Other women who taught: Priscilla, who taught Apollos, and Mary Magdalene, Joanna, and Mary, mother of James, who taught of Jesus .
@@EmeraldDove1743No female was an elder or a pastor.
Period.
You’re trying to excuse your own behavior and it simply isn’t going to happen.
Pray earnestly for clarity from God and get out of your own way.
The most mis-used words currently are "God is love". I didn't say it's false, I said mis-used. God is love but he also wishes that none should perish(2Peter 3:9).
Corey, you are 100% on point here! Praise be to God!
Thank you for standing firm on scripture. So many are compromising the word now. 😢
Praise GOD Corey I am SO tired of FALSE teachers taking Scriptures out of Context, Matthew's 4/17 said JESUS began to PREACH REPENT FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND, women are not preachers they do other GREAT things in the BODY OF CHRIST, let's please 2timothy 2/15 and try to Stay in your Lane, the HOLY SPIRIT gives you. Love you always D and C
Explain this ? Prophetesses: Sarah, Miriam, Deborah, Huldah, Abigail, and Esther
Church leaders: Phoebe, who was a church deacon and led in assemblies
Mentors: Lois and Eunice, who taught Timothy, and Deborah and Huldah, who mentored in the Old Testament
Other women who taught: Priscilla, who taught Apollos, and Mary Magdalene, Joanna, and Mary, mother of James, who taught of Jesus .
The man who said “after you read the verse about Paul saying women be quiet in church, run over to the old testament and look at Debora and Esther etc”. Ok. But does that negate what Paul said? No. Because women being in leadership was a sign of Gods judgment! And those women were not the heads of churches etc. Thise women have nothing to do with what Paul is instructing!
Prophetesses: Sarah, Miriam, Deborah, Huldah, Abigail, and Esther
Church leaders: Phoebe, who was a church deacon and led in assemblies
Mentors: Lois and Eunice, who taught Timothy, and Deborah and Huldah, who mentored in the Old Testament
Other women who taught: Priscilla, who taught Apollos, and Mary Magdalene, Joanna, and Mary, mother of James, who taught of Jesus .
To say a woman today can't be an elder in a small church makes no sense, except to Paul and his followers, who have to discount what God did with Deborah, so they can accept a false teaching.
How ironic that if Paul lived at her time and his case was sent to Deborah to be judged, he would have to go...and be judged by a woman. Else executed.
But the person who acts insolently by not listening to the priest who stands there to serve the Lord your God, nor to the judge, that person shall die; so you shall eliminate the evil from Israel.
-excerpt Deuteronomy 17
@@8784-l3b Wooow! ♥️
@@EmeraldDove1743
Thanks. I wrote a free informal essay on Deborah
should you wish a study. Read time: 12 minutes, postable, free
We actually over looking the word “testified “ the woman at the well went out TESTIFYING NOT PREACHING…TESTIMONIES ARE NOT SERMONS
Whenever I see Pastor Keke Oneal Henderson I roll my eyes internally because I know heresy is about to befall us.
John 4:16 He told her, “Go, call your husband and come back.”
John 4:27 Just then his disciples returned and were surprised to find him talking with a woman. But no one asked, “What do you want?” or “Why are you talking with her?”
Its pretty obvious how correct you are!! God bless, Christ is king!
I really love my brother Cliffs and the work he does for the Lord, but you are right on this Kory🙏
I thought it was a angel that told the woman at the tomb to go tell them that he was woke
Men and women can give a testimony even in church of what God has done or what they have seen God do but that doesn't make them a preacher. TC
You don't have to think, just go and read it and research it.
the problem is the intent behind this message, their goal is to fuel insecurity and support women pastors over men.
And in Revelation the last being proclaiming the Gospel is an angel. In the very end, God will use an angel. The spreading of the Gospel will be so serious that He will use a being He can trust. I found this interesting.
More excuses to make man sound deep. It's playing on emotions.
I believed women can testify about the Good news of Jesus Christ but not be an official pastor in a church over a congregation
They all did!Prophetesses: Sarah, Miriam, Deborah, Huldah, Abigail, and Esther
Church leaders: Phoebe, who was a church deacon and led in assemblies
Mentors: Lois and Eunice, who taught Timothy, and Deborah and Huldah, who mentored in the Old Testament
Other women who taught: Priscilla, who taught Apollos, and Mary Magdalene, Joanna, and Mary, mother of James, who taught of Jesus .
@@EmeraldDove1743But they were not pastors. They were sent to do wonderful things and they played their role that God had for them but they were not Pastors
Women can share the gospel to the lost world but we are not pastors and elders in the church.
I love sharing the gospel and mentoring women. I love being a woman in my biblical role submitted to my husband!
DON'T GO AGAINST GOD'S WORD YOU WILL BE JUDGED ACCORDINLY..WHO ever ADD Or Take Away from God's word is in Danger of God Judgement.
Thank you Corey.
I recommend watching the documentary from the Third Adam series Rise of the Divine Feminine.
Corey please listen to Angela and do a video on third Adam. Women are not being ministered to by lame and fake money hungry preachers. We men know we are accountable but male preachers have failed Godly men by not doing there job in preaching our roles
Brother you are on the money ☝️☝️☝️☝️ I’m glad you broken down the scripture 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿🙏🏿
Being a messenger and being a preacher are two very different things.
I’m so sick of hearing “the first preacher was a woman.” Even when I was a kid it never made sense to me.
Exactly lol I think it's cuz many females want to take over so ppl are running with the narrative
Amen! We have to follow the truth of God's Word. He's a God of order. It would make no sense if i submit to my husband in the house but my husband submits under a female pastor at church.
Thanks for this. Your videos are always helpful and biblical. Keep on going brother!
Pastor Corey I almost got cussed out one time cause I respectfully told her the Mary needed a Savior as well.She didn't like that one bit. Sweet lady though but she was visibly upset. Pray for Mrs Judy to get saved. Thank you brother for your videos ❤❤❤
Simping doesn't stop because someone is a preacher. It's pandering to the world and embracing a spirit of feminism. When we go against God's order, we are simply out of order.
Guys. This debate is already settled in scripture. In these last days we have 2 types of Christians. The few that tries to adhere to the teachings of the Scripture and the majority who do not. One is wrong, and one is right. You can not argue with someone who thinks God is telling them to go against scripture. As long as they know what the scripture says and willfully ignore, you are speaking to a rock. Go speak to people who are not a part of the faith yet
Thank you for teaching the simple, yet powerful, truth of the scriptures.
People tend to confuse testifying with preaching. Women were never called to preach. A woman can only testify and prophecy, praise and worship in the church.
AMEN
Explain this to the Pentecostal denomination.
Isnt prophesying telling of the word which basically is teaching the word
Who said? Where is that in the Bible.
@@zimmoton3698No. Prophesying is the foretelling of future events.
It was a women that proclaim he has risen right.
Yep
Beloved, that's Evangelism not Pastoring or Heading a Church. Women Evangelical Work Ends outside the Churches of CHRIST, 1Cor. 14:32-37.
When false teachers clap their hands and use the word "season" that's what gets people excited and believing the false teacher is anointed.....
Amos was the first prophet to proclaim the coming salvation to the gentiles. Somewhat irrelevant but fun fact at the same time. God Bless and Maranatha!
Calvary 🤙🏽MARANATHA
They all liars liars liars!!!.
7:56 Deborah: It Is Written! KJV - Judges 5 : 7 "Until That I DEBORAH Arose, That I Arose
A MOTHER in ISRAEL.” - - - KJV - Matthew 12 : 50 “For Whosoever Shall Do THE WILL of MY FATHER Which Is In Heaven, THE SAME Is My Brother, and Sister, AND MOTHER.”
Prophetesses: Sarah, Miriam, Deborah, Huldah, Abigail, and Esther
Church leaders: Phoebe, who was a church deacon and led in assemblies
Mentors: Lois and Eunice, who taught Timothy, and Deborah and Huldah, who mentored in the Old Testament
Other women who taught: Priscilla, who taught Apollos, and Mary Magdalene, Joanna, and Mary, mother of James, who taught of Jesus .
The first Gospel spoken was by John the Baptist when he said to repent because the Kingdom is at hand.
Nahhh.. That's not the gospel... The gospel is the death, burial and resurrection of christ... John the Baptist never said anything as to such
As always, great teaching Corey 👍🏾 👏🏾 👌🏾
Those who are proponents of women being pastors are strictly allowing this to keep their churches and pockets full...period
So when Paul sends a letter welcoming his friends in Romans 16: 1
Was Phoebe not then considered a deacon in the church of Cenchrea
Paul commended Timothy's mother and grandmother for how well they trained Timothy up in the knowledge of the Scriptures. That's where women get to teach. It's an admiral and vital teaching role. Why is a mother teaching her children so overlooked and under vaued?
Biblical reference?
@@rochyns8567 2 Timothy 1:5 and 2 Timothy 3:14-15
2 Timothy 3:15 is likely what's being referenced here, but that passage doesn't actually say who taught Timothy, could it have been his mother and grandmother? Possibly: they are the ones referenced in 1:5.
Many women are showing their disobedience because looking at society children were not trained and young women were not raised properly, that in itself should be an indication if that wasn't done well why do women want to run the church wen the home is out of order .... someone once sd a clear indication of what society looks like is what was taught or not taught in ones home
She was not preaching she was carrying a message.There goes Satan deceiving the gullible again.
What does preaching mean?
Thanks!
What I have been brought to understand in this last year is how one understands Genesis chapters 1-3 determines/shapes how one understands and interprets the entire Scripture, especially Genesis 1:27-28. What is the "it" that was to be subdued (NKJV)? Was it only the male that was to subdue it alone? One area where this specific subdue is found is Micah 7:19. A few others include Num 32:22, 29; Josh 18:1, 2 Sam 8:11. If the woman was to subdue as well, how? Were the man and woman to subdue together?
This was a phenomenal video filled with great information. All Glory to God 🙌🏾👏🏾
The men who advocate for women pastors, tend to have some sass about them. Anyone else notice that or is it just me?
They are...
Jesus is the Gospel....
People are so incredibly naive and simple minded it boggles the mind.
Look, they word it as people “don’t want women in the ministry “. That’s not true. They’re already lying to make themselves look more knowledge about scripture, as well as more inclusive etc. women should not be in positions of leadership in the church! Pastors deacons elders etc. that’s all were saying because that is exactly what scripture says. Man was made first. Woman sinned first and caused her husband to sin. Women can not be head of their husbands at home, why would we think that would be allowed in the church? So a woman pastor, is she also the head of her husband at home? Probably not. Why does she think one is permissible but the other isn’t?
A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge's verdict could not be altered or appealed.
A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting.
Act 2:17
“’In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
Deborah called as prophet, and the only one described as performing a judicial function, meaning that she was a shepherd of God people. Deborah also lead men.
Of course, wrote a free informal essay on her.
Awesome video I like how you break everything down facts🙏🏽
I'm just amazed how so many people have confused relaying a message with preaching a sermon.
To the real ones remaining that still believe these lies and to our sisters too, I hope they also learn that those who teach will be judged more strictly.
And I think God has also given us a plausible reason why women shouldnt be pastors (1 Tim 2:13-14). It should stand to reason for anyone that following a deceived person, male or female, is just unwise.
Amen....that right there is end game....why would you want to be judged more harshly? The mere fact ppl are boldly lying on the Word lets me know there is no fear for God Almighty
So all women are cursed because of Eve....... I thought Jesus was the curse breaker......
And I hear some women say, “God told me, I was called to preach”. Better be careful when they say “God told them to preach”. I just pray for them.
the first Gospel Preacher was God himself.....Genesis 3:15.
I agree with a lot of what you say here and I just want to raise some points to clarify and where I disagree.
As you pointed out, women were certainly not the first to preach the Gospel. The disciples were (Mt 10:5ff). However, the Scriptures are clear that women were the first to carry the Good News of the resurrected Christ. (Mt 28: 1-8; Mk 16:1-8; Luke 24:1-10; Jn 20: 11-18) All four Gospels give an account. Funny that. Might have something to do with the fact that culturally a women's testimony meant little, and that they would require 2-3 witnesses. So God gave them four.
One of the prominent controversies of Jesus' ministry was the length he went to in displaying a shift in paradigm for women in His kingdom. (Mary being welcomed to sit at Jesus' feet while He taught being a prime example) This was once exclusively a man's place.
Now concerning the woman at the well (again I agree, she certainly wasn't the first to preach the gospel). Yes, men did tell her that they 'now' believe after hearing for themselves, but v39 still states that men believed 'because' of the woman's testimony. There may be some overlapping or differences in the causes of their belief. But v39 still stands. Shall we rob the sower of due honor because she's a woman?
Moving on. 1Tim chapt 2. The subject of women teaching and having authority "over" a man and qualifications to be overseer are two totally separate topics. I agree 100% that you cannot argue against the text that only men are to hold office as Elder/Deacon or Pastor. However, verse 12 shows that a woman's teaching is juxtaposed with her having authority "over" a man. The key word is "over". That is, a woman's teaching does not usurp, or over-rule men's teaching. Why? because Eve was deceived, not Adam. If the men in the church say she is wrong, she is wrong, they over-ride her every time. It's not a prohibition, it's a boundary.
Now in 1Cor 14:34,35 the text says that women are to remain silent in the churches. However, not only doesn't it sound like Paul, but it contradicts his statement at chapter 11:5 where woman can pray and prophecy with conditions (head-covering) I believe (as do others) Paul is quoting a Corinthian idiom (as he does elsewhere. 1Cor 10:23) pushed by the Judaisers, and that Verse 36 is a rebuttal. The KJV, RSV, WEB, ASV and the HNV (Hebrew Names version) start v36 with the word "What"? was it from you only....etc which turns the verse into a rebuttal, which is the only translation that makes contextual and grammatical sense, allowing the context to flow. That's why most theologians (using the other versions), believe these verses don't belong there and are a scribal error. I believe they do belong there, just change the first word, which the Greek makes applicable (allows for), and it all makes sense.
It's ironic that the issue of women teaching is raised in a letter to Timothy who is overseeing a church where Apollos was instructed (taught/teach) more accurately (his theology was fine-tuned), by Priscilla and Aquila (Acts 18:26). I don't think it's coincidence that Priscilla's name is intentionally mentioned first. It was culturally inappropriate to put the wife's/woman's name before the man without a specific reson. It makes sense that It was placed there by Luke, deliberately, to emphasis she was the dominant figure. We must not play down her role, simply because it doesn't suit previous interpretations regarding women teaching, which is easily rebutted.
Not sure who those people are that you used to raise your counter-argument. But to have sat through hours of that would have been nauseating to say he least. Not sure I could have done it. Cliffe (Knechtle) on the other hand, is usually good to watch But that episode was surprisingly exegetically appalling.
Somewhere in there you quote Gen 3:16 'the man shall rule "over" you' and state He (God) didn't change that. I beg to differ. Throughout the Gospels Jesus sets the stage for a complete shift in paradigm for women, in the way He treated them and presented them to the Old Testament religious culture' Pointing to a return to the ideal in the garden of Eden. A significant message of the Gospel is that we are ALL "sons" of God. No male and female, "all" are Christs and all heirs according to his promise (Gal 3:26-4:7)
It is also undeniable that there are women out there who carry the gift of teaching by the Holy Spirit, for the edification of the Church. Don't misunderstand me, I'm fully aware that there are women out there who do, that aren't. In saying that there are just as many men as well, as your videos pointed out.
I know this is long. But it was bugging me. Blessings to you and yours.
I have never heard anyone quote the scriptures like this before! Woow! That was amazing and well taught! ❤ I have heard very similar things as you stated ,but you gave proof from the scriptures on all ends.
You who believe that women are to be pastors are wrong.
People want to be the latest and the greatest instead of just telling the TRUTH...Im going to exegete my own reference... God and Jesus want us to tell the Gospel TRUTH...
I guess if people think they say it enough it will become true
Brother I agree 100% with you, a woman should not be a Pastor, but wasn’t a woman called a Deacon in this verse.
“I commend to you our sister Phoebe, who is a deacon in the church in Cenchrea. Welcome her in the Lord as one who is worthy of honor among God’s people. Help her in whatever she needs, for she has been helpful to many, and especially to me.”
Romans 16:1-2 NLT
In the KJV and NKJV she was a servant. That could be any position.
@@rochyns8567. Look up the Greek translation of that verse.
That is a poor translation and should be disregarded. The correct translation is "servant" not "deacon"
I agree with you on this. Why do you not ever hear a woman preach on this scripture? And why are they still forcing the issue? If these women who say they believe in God, why not do what God says to do, search the scriptures for in them you might find life. It's like trying to put a pair of shoes on that doesn't fit. Women come back to the Bible.
Explain this? Prophetesses: Sarah, Miriam, Deborah, Huldah, Abigail, and Esther
Church leaders: Phoebe, who was a church deacon and led in assemblies
Mentors: Lois and Eunice, who taught Timothy, and Deborah and Huldah, who mentored in the Old Testament
Other women who taught: Priscilla, who taught Apollos, and Mary Magdalene, Joanna, and Mary, mother of James, who taught of Jesus .
The preaching of the gospel started as soon as Jesus told the disciples to go into the world and share it with every nation.
Mary Magdalene was ORDERED by Jesus to preach of
His resurrection to men. The resurrection of Jesus is
a key part of the gospel.
But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.
-excerpt 1 Corinthians 15
When she had said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, and yet she did not know that it was Jesus. Jesus said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking?” Thinking that He was the gardener, she said to Him, “Sir, if you have carried Him away, tell me where you put Him, and I will take Him away.” Jesus said to her, “Mary!” She turned and said to Him in Hebrew, “Rabboni!”. Jesus said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’” Mary Magdalene came and announced to the disciples, “I have seen the Lord,” and that He had said these things to her.
-excerpt John 20
This is a lie from the pit of Hell any preacher or man agreeing with this foolishness is going there themselves
Exactly
Wow I didn't expect that from cliff at all..... cliff added to the scriptures I respect this man deep for his work of evangelism but he is dead wrong here
Mary Magdalene simply told other believers that Jesus had risen, that's not preaching but merely reporting to her Fellow believers that Jesus saying He would rise, happened. Besides this, telling this to the other converts is not being a Preacher like Ephesians 4:11. Also the woman at the well simply said could this be the Messiah, there's no preaching the gospel there at all.
Mary Magdalene was ORDERED by Jesus to preach of
His resurrection to men. The resurrection of Jesus is
a key part of the gospel.
But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.
-excerpt 1 Corinthians 15
When she had said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, and yet she did not know that it was Jesus. Jesus said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking?” Thinking that He was the gardener, she said to Him, “Sir, if you have carried Him away, tell me where you put Him, and I will take Him away.” Jesus said to her, “Mary!” She turned and said to Him in Hebrew, “Rabboni!”. Jesus said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’” Mary Magdalene came and announced to the disciples, “I have seen the Lord,” and that He had said these things to her.
-excerpt John 20
The pastor functions in roles of authority and is a picture of Christ. Paul said he does not allow a woman to teach or usurp authority over the man but to be in silence. Therefore when we assemble women aren't allowed to function in any of these roles once men are present. Funny how the actual roles for women are sidelined.
So simple so clear..❤ accept it
Phoebe was a deaconess= servant
What's happening is that people are using cliches instead of going with the word of God. Not one time in scripture do you see a woman having spiritual authority over a man.
If a woman could be a pastor In the church then that means she's also the pastor of her home because those roles don't stop because you leave the church service. I always ask if the office of the Bishop or pastor is clearly described in the Bible for men Then what is the credentials for a woman being a pastor.
A lot of these men standing up for women preachers have been raised by women
you wrote:
Not one time in scripture do you see a woman having spiritual authority over a man.
A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge's verdict could not be altered or appealed.
Refusal to accept a Judge's verdict on any matter,
resulted in execution, according to Deuteronomy.
@user-iz8np3vv4i ..... I said spiritual authority over a man, not referring to being a judge which is a occupation like judge judy etc. Even Deborah knew her place and knew Barak was supposed to lead ACCORDING TO THE PROPHESY but because he coward down she had to lead..... That particular account was an indictment against the man. So I guess since there were children that were kings in the Old Testament That means it's okay for children to be pastors too, right??? Pick whatever translation you want and you will see that it is an issue when women lead over men Isaiah 3:12:
As for My people, children are their oppressors, and WOMEN RULE over them! O My people, they that lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.
ASV
As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they that lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.
AMP
O My people! Children are their oppressors, And women rule over them. O My people! Your leaders lead you astray And confuse (destroy, swallow up) the direction of your paths
No matter what you try to find in the Old Testament, you will never see a woman being a priest or being in spiritual authority over men Teaching in the synagogue, temple or in the new testament church. How many elders did moses choose that were women? How many priests in old testament were women? How many apostles did jesus choose that were women? On the day of Pentecost, when it was time to choose Judas replacement and there were women in the upper room Did they choose a man or a woman?
@@itsintheword230
I wrote a free informal essay on Deborah. I am
very familiar with her story AND what a Judge was.
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you wrote:
I said spiritual authority over a man, not referring to being a judge which is a occupation like judge judy etc.
Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.
In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation
(In case the reader in unaware, the word pastor and the word
shepherd are the same word. I prefer shepherd, because it has
obvious meaning to the average person.)
Major modern English translations like the NASB use
the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people...
In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation
Some believe that pastor (or shepherd), is a position that
was created in the New Covenant. This is not true. In the Old Testament
shepherds are mentioned multiple times. Often in a negative way.
“My people have become lost sheep;
Their shepherds have led them astray.
-excerpt Jeremiah 50
For an entire chapter on worthless shepherds, the reader may
check out Ezekiel 34.
When the shepherd over Israel died, the people went back into sin. That is because the Judge was the most important spiritual leader of this time period.
But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways.
-excerpt Judges 2
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you wrote:
Pick whatever translation you want and you will see that it is an issue when women lead over men Isaiah 3:12: ...
THE REASON GOD SENT HER here:
...the Lord was moved to pity...
And when the Lord raised up judges for them, the Lord was with the judge and saved them from the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge; for the Lord was moved to pity by their groaning because of those who tormented and oppressed them.
-excerpt Judges 2
The sending of a Judge meant God was showing mercy to His people.
It wasn't a judgment against them.
Since Deborah was a woman, this scripture is sometimes used
in error to describe her, in our time:
My people! Their oppressors treat them violently,
And women rule over them.
My people! Those who guide you lead you astray
And confuse the direction of your paths.
-excerpt Isaiah 3
They are taking the prophetess Deborah and comparing her to
Jezebel who murdered prophets.
Has it not been reported to my master what I did when Jezebel killed the prophets of the Lord, that I hid a hundred prophets of the Lord...
-excerpt 1 Kings 18
When a Judge died, THEN people were led astray.
But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways.
-excerpt Judges 2
After Deborah's time in Judges 4 and 5, we see confirmation of the people
turning back and acting more corruptly than their fathers.
Then the sons of Israel did what was evil in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord handed them over to Midian for seven years. The power of Midian prevailed against Israel.
-excerpt Judges 6 first two sentences (above)
When the shepherd over Israel died, the people went back into sin.
That is because the Judge was the most important spiritual leader of this time period.
@@itsintheword230
you wrote:
Even Deborah knew her place and knew Barak was supposed to lead...
Were Deborah AND Barak Judges?
Was Barak a Judge?
Was Deborah a Judge?
And when the Lord raised up judges for them, the Lord was with the judge and saved them from the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge; for the Lord was moved to pity by their groaning because of those who tormented and oppressed them.
-excerpt Judges 2
Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time. She used to sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim; and the sons of Israel went up to her for judgment.
-excerpt Judges 4
The peasantry came to an end, they came to an end in Israel,
Until I, Deborah, arose,
Until I arose, a mother in Israel.
-excerpt Judges 5
Tola and Jair were also Judges.
..., rose up to save Israel...
Now after Abimelech died, Tola the son of Puah, the son of Dodo, a man of Issachar, rose up to save Israel; and he lived in Shamir in the hill country of Ephraim. He judged Israel for twenty-three years. Then he died and was buried in Shamir.
...rose up and judged Israel...
After him, Jair the Gileadite rose up and judged Israel for twenty-two years. And he had thirty sons who rode on thirty donkeys, and they had thirty cities in the land of Gilead that are called Havvoth-jair to this day. And Jair died and was buried in Kamon.
-excerpt Judges 10
The same phrasing is used regarding Deborah, Tola and Jair. They were all Judges.
Deborah:
Until I, Deborah, arose,
Until I arose...
Tola:
"...rose up..."
Jair:
"...rose up..."
Barak is never referred to as a Judge. He was commander of the army.
Deborah was the Judge over Israel at this time. She knew it, and so did Barak.
Now she sent word and summoned Barak...
-excerpt Judges 4 (above) Deborah summoning Barak.
She gave the order for the battle to begin that Israel won.
Then Deborah said to Barak, “Arise! For this is the day on which the Lord has handed Sisera over to you...
-excerpt Judges 4 (above) Deborah ordering Barak.
CONCLUSION
Deborah was a Judge.
Barak was not a Judge.
@@itsintheword230
you wrote:
you will never see a woman being a priest or being in spiritual authority over men Teaching...
HER JUDGING AUTHORITY here:
Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time. She used to sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim; and the sons of Israel went up to her for judgment.
-excerpt Judges 4
Deborah judged men and had the authority to execute, as
some sins in the Old Covenant, such as murder, demanded the death penalty
as the punishment.
There was no appeal to Deborah's (a Judge's) verdict:
... you shall not turn aside from the word which they declare to you, to the right or the left.
If a man rejected Deborah's decision, the penalty was execution:
But the person who acts insolently by not listening to the priest who stands there to serve the Lord your God, nor to the judge, that person shall die;...
She used the Law, therefore scripture, when judging and instructing:
In accordance with the terms of the law about which they instruct you...
She had the same authority as a Levitical priest:
So you shall come to the Levitical priests or the judge...
The location she judged was determined by God. It was not a small
cabin or cave, but outdoors. Therefore a public setting:
...go up to the place which the Lord your God chooses.
[She used to sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country...
-excerpt Judges 4]
Also of note, she judged the hardest cases in the nation.
“If a case is too difficult for you to decide, between one kind of homicide or another, between one kind of lawsuit or another, and between one kind of assault or another, that are cases of dispute in your courts, then you shall arise and go up to the place which the Lord your God chooses. So you shall come to the Levitical priests or the judge who is in office in those days, and you shall inquire of them and they will declare to you the verdict. Then you shall act in accordance with the terms of the verdict which they declare to you from that place which the Lord chooses; and you shall be careful to act in accordance with everything that they instruct you to do. In accordance with the terms of the law about which they instruct you, and in accordance with the verdict which they tell you, you shall act; you shall not turn aside from the word which they declare to you, to the right or the left. But the person who acts insolently by not listening to the priest who stands there to serve the Lord your God, nor to the judge, that person shall die; so you shall eliminate the evil from Israel.
-excerpt Deuteronomy 17
The Good News was preached when the Israelites came out from Egypt Hebrews 4… Isaiah 52:7 talks about The Good News too
There are things written by Apostle Paul that are hard to understand. Even Apostle Peter warned us as much. It would be wise to admit that some things we will not fully understand and be comfortable with that thought. 1 Tim 2:12-14 is one such scripture. If one stops at verse 14 it would make sense. But verse 15 starts with "Nevertheless" meaning that it is directly linked to preceding verses and goes on to seemingly suggest another way through which women will be saved. This is hard and it would be great if Corey (and indeed like minded bible readers) can reconcile verse 15 to what has be written in prior verses. We know in part and should be comforted by that
Romans 16:1-2 I do need help with these verses brother and how it fits within the ideas that women don't hold titles, not pastors, but I'm still seeing title and regard. I'm almost 100 percent with you but I still think that I need a deeper study. I am working on it though brother. Great videos brother. Keep pushing.
Since a woman could be a pastor in the Old Covenant, a woman
can be a pastor in the New Covenant. Simple really.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.
In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation
A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting.
Read time: 12 minutes free
& Romans 16:7 - Junia
Brother keep doing what ur doing. Amen
How is literally just talking considered being a pastor???? Does anyone know what a pastor does? It's not just speaking. They act like we think women can't talk. So bizarre.
There are so many things that we can do in the church. We can help the younger women, but we often would rather talk about them. Look at the state of most young women in the church, who have no other sister to show her how godly women are to conduct themselves.
All this argument makes me think, do people know what the gospel is? What is the gospel?
This is such a dangerous and polarizing subject, and I don’t know why! The Bible says women are not to preach or pastor. “They have eyes and they do not see they have ears and they do not hear!”
Since a woman could be a pastor in the Old Covenant, a woman
can be a pastor in the New Covenant. Simple really.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.
In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation
A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge's verdict could not be altered or appealed.
A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting.
You're not going to hell because you preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ. God uses whom He chooses to do His bidding. "Your sons and daughters shall prophesy,...And also upon My menservants and My Maidservants I will pour out my Spirit in those days." Joel 2:28,29. I refuse to get involved in this argument. I do know that if The Holy Spirit directs you to speak out and you quench the Holy Spirit you better be ready to answer to God. I've said my peace and I'm not going to respond to subsequent replies
I hear lot of Pastors speaking against women preachers, but I never heard them say a woman shouldn't tithe.
No woman should tithe. No man should either
Lol.
Totally irrelevant! The tithing is a similar issue. The only New Testament mentions of tithing is always in reference to 'the law' and is before Jesus went to the cross, therefore Old Testament compliance. To teach otherwise is unscriptural just as we are seeing other distortions of scripture.
@@smartchristians Exactly!! The only New Testament mentions of tithing is always in reference to 'the law' and is before Jesus went to the cross, therefore Old Testament compliance. To teach otherwise is unscriptural just as we are seeing other distortions of scripture.
People are dying and going to hell, and we're still arguing about this?
Yes, and many Christian youtubers make money out of these arguments.
I don't care what anyone says. CONTEXT does matter. We are to study (discern) when reading scripture just as with anything else; you can't take everything for face value because the scriptures are not always black and white.
False prophets running amock these days that's why you need to study the Bible yourself and let the Holy Spirit guide you and also attend a true Bible believing church.
It appears to me that we're conflating words and terms.
In Ephesians 4:11, Paul makes a distinction among several positions including prophets vs pastors and teachers. Can't someone prophesy(be a prophetess and not be a pastor). Can't someone teach(impart information) and not be a pastor(leader of a flock).
Moreover, according to 1 Corinthians 12:10, isn't prophecy a separate gift outside of pastoring?
According to 1 Corinthians 11:5, Paul doesn't have a problem with women prophesying. Isn't prophesying different than pastoring .
Also, if a deacon was the same as a pastor, why did Paul specifically outline the qualifications of a deavon in 1Timothy 3:8-13.
Finally, if someone carries a message, could that be considered pastoring?
Women were so oppressed prior to Christianity that they were treated poorly at times and disregarded. So after the resurrection of Jesus, Jesus took the opportunity to appear to Mary first. It was this appearance to Mary to let women know that we're all the same and that Jesus can reveal himself to a woman as well. This, however, wasn't a point to affirm that women can pastor a church.
I really hate hearing this argument because it's wrong. I hear it all the time, and I just shake my head. It's a huge difference.
Women were so oppressed that they were queens in other nations and had a goddess in Ephesus and almost all of Asia.
“And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,”
Acts 8:27 KJV
“And when the queen of Sheba heard of the fame of Solomon concerning the name of the LORD, she came to prove him with hard questions.”
1 Kings 10:1 KJV
“Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands: so that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at nought; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worshippeth. And when they heard these sayings, they were full of wrath, and cried out, saying, Great is Diana of the Ephesians.”
Acts 19:26-28 KJV
“But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil. But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine. And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?”
Jeremiah 44:17-19 KJV
“The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.”
Jeremiah 7:18 KJV
I just have a question, you mentioned that a woman can not be a deacon, so what do we do with (Romans 16.1)NIV "I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon[a][b] of the church in Cenchreae". The NLT "I commend to you our sister Phoebe, who is a deacon in the church in Cenchrea". KJV "I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea". A servant in the church, such as a deacon, a pastor, an elder, is one who works in the area of administration within the church, just to mention one of the many tasks that are performed in the ecclesiastical environment. So how can we say that a woman cannot be a deaconess, when Paul is presenting Phoebes in such a way? Now in (1 Timothy 2:11-14) Paul is dealing with a matter of discipline and not one of ecclesiastical positions. To say that this means that women cannot preach or hold any position in the church is total madness, because if this were so, not only would Paul have made it clear, but Christ himself would have said it at some point in the ministry, but He did not. This very controversial issue does not help the building of the church at all, on the contrary it brings discomfort and annoyance, both among women and those men who believe that women cannot hold a position in the church. Again, nowhere in Scripture does it openly say that women cannot hold an ecclesiastical position. Surely you know that when studying Scripture, you have to take both historical and cultural aspects, and Paul expressing something, under his culture, and during the time this letter was written, the roles of men and women in society were different from today. Women typically had limited public roles and were often expected to focus on domestic responsibilities. Now that I have established all this, Paul's letters often addressed specific issues in the early Christian communities. In this case, it seems Paul was addressing disorderly conduct within the Ephesian church, where Timothy was a leader. Excuse me, but as a theology student, I have taken on the task of studying this issue, due to the much controversy it has caused in the church. I still follow your channel and I believe you do a great job, but on this matter I have to disagree. Blessing my friend.🙏
The gospel was first preached by the Apostles! (Acts2). For it took the Holy Spirit to sanction the scriptures. (Jon.17:17).
She wasn’t the first woman to be a preacher, but I would say she was the first witness of a risen savior hallelujah. Praise God he lives my Jesus lives amen.
Do you have a video on head covering?
(not this channel)
My quick answer is here:
...because the hair instead of a covering hath been given to her...
In your own selves judge ye; is it seemly for a woman uncovered to pray to God? doth not even nature itself teach you, that if a man indeed have long hair, a dishonour it is to him? and a woman, if she have long hair, a glory it is to her, because the hair instead of a covering hath been given to her;...
-Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
Does even nature itself not teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her? For her hair is given to her as a covering.
-NASB
A woman's long hair is the 'covering'.
If a fabric covering is actually required,
then all references to hair are
totally irrelevant to the subject.
It only can make sense if the
long hair of a woman is the 'covering'.
She should be covered, with her long hair.
To have short hair, like a man, means that
she is basically bald. Therefore uncovered.
Why is it that when people quote certain scriptures in the Bible to say women can't preach, teach or hold office in the body of Christ, especially the one about let them silent. It's my understanding that was during a certain dispensation were there were women prostitutes, worshipping Diana, etc. When other passages are mentioned to support women we want to say oh that's wrong. We need to check ourselves before we wreck ourselves, folks tend to take scriptures twist them for whatever reason. Look at how in this century there are and have been women that are definitely preaching, teaching under the power of the Holy Ghost Himself. Now, I may understand about certain offices, but if we any discernment at all, we can't deny the anointing and calling some women walk in. And my final sentiments and comments are don't for these in the Bible for example Miriam, Deborah, Huldah, The Samaritan Women, Phillips Daughters, Phoebe, Priscilla, and Lois and Eunice. I'm sure folks will even try to discredit, or something. God help us all❤❤
Corey, what about a woman teaching Sunday school or Bible study?
Those are teaching positions. Women hold teaching positions in theological schools too, but that doesn't make them Elders of a church.
It's that women want to be entrepreneurs and use pastorship to do so
Exactly many females that say they are called to preach it always starts with them leaving and breaking up congregations for females to follow, then they come out with songs, books, some form of talent....ppl are looking to pimp out Jesus by twisting and defaming His Word...
IT WAS JESUS WHO DID THE GOSPEL 1ST TIME IT WAS A MAN NOT A WOMAN
Huh?
All these people lying. No woman can be a preacher, deacon, ect.
Explain this ? Prophetesses: Sarah, Miriam, Deborah, Huldah, Abigail, and Esther
Church leaders: Phoebe, who was a church deacon and led in assemblies
Mentors: Lois and Eunice, who taught Timothy, and Deborah and Huldah, who mentored in the Old Testament
Other women who taught: Priscilla, who taught Apollos, and Mary Magdalene, Joanna, and Mary, mother of James, who taught of Jesus .
What is recorded in Scripture is that they ask whether he had received the Holy Spirit. That is all Scripture speaks to that matter.
Actually John the Baptist, first said repent, for the kingdom of God is near.
The scriptures doesn’t give women the authority to preach, study the book of Titus the entire book teaches the qualifications, and one of those qualifications is to have one WIFE that alone eliminates a woman preacher or to whole office over the man in the church
So what are the qualifications for the title/position of 'father'?
Paul believed he was a father, and that there were others. He
regarded the title/position as valid and also special.
For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers...
-excerpt 1 Corinthians 4 KJV
-words of Paul
And do not call anyone on earth your father; for only One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
-excerpt Matthew 23
-words of Jesus
Paul never states the qualifications for being a 'father'. Even though this
title/position is rare and special according to Paul. Be careful of the
teachings of Paul.