Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I’d like to offer my own experience. During a time of deep sorrow, I attended weekday Masses at my college Newman Center. These were simple, quiet Masses in a small room, with just a few of us gathered. I wasn’t there for grandeur or Latin-I went searching for peace, for God. And I found Him. Christ met me there in the Eucharist, bringing the comfort and strength I desperately needed. Looking back, it would be foolish for me to say, “You can’t find God here because it’s not in Latin.” I didn’t know Latin, and in truth, it didn’t matter. What mattered was Christ’s presence in the Mass, the same sacrifice offered everywhere in the world. While I appreciate the beauty and reverence of tradition, the heart of the Mass is not in external forms but in the Eucharist. God meets us where we are, in our brokenness, through His Church. Let’s not limit His grace by dividing over preferences, but instead focus on unity, faith, and sharing His love with others.
I'm 70 years old and I have the Traditional Fr. Lasance 1945 Missal with the full Liturgical Calendar for all the Mass Devotions. Daily and Sunday's. And Prayers for every situation. It is a great Missal and I highly recommend it. And thank you Patric for speaking the Truth. May The Lord Saturate Our Souls With The Holy Spirit. 🔥✝️🙏
Patrick, you got me through, on the straight and narrow, a M.A. in Theology back in the Catholic Answers Focus days! Your interview on the Coup and Catholic University was helpful to knowing why I was in the middle of heresy at every turn! God love you sir!
As a cradle Catholic, I believe in the Triune God and I aspire to Heaven. Knowing the Catechism, observing the Commandments and living a sacramental life, keeps one on the right path, receiving grace, and is a sure guide when the world, the flesh and the devil assail. True story, told by a priest >> a Catholic man, now in jail for a felony, in anguish said to the visiting priest who happened to have been a school friend, ''Why should I desire to live? What is the purpose of my life? I want to die!'' The priest calmly and with full assurance in his voice, said to him, ''God created you to know, love and serve Him in this life, and to be happy with Him forever in the next.'' The prisoner was struck by the answer, from the Catechism, and responded, '' I guess that's a good enough reason to live.''
In 1967 I looked at my brother's copy of the Baltimore Catechism and saw that same question of the meaning of life. I asked him if the nuns at St Linus were going use this book. He said "Sister says we don't teach THAT anymore...". My brother no longer attends mass. Vatican II, and the Spirit of Vatican II were a disaster and a failure.
@@M5guitar1 : yes, indeed the Second Vatican Council was like the French Revolution within the Church. However, there is a revival, a ground-swell of young famiies, raising their children in the Faith. God is with us! I pray that your brother, like so many of our family members, will return to the Heart of Jesus. 🙏
Fr. Ripperger said "the solution to pollution is dilution" The more normal Catholics like us that find tradition the more it counters that old spitefulness that used to be pervasive. But they were spiteful because they had something taken away from them, and we are happy because we've discovered something. Something they fought to keep and we wouldn't have otherwise. I know you've said the sspx was Highchurch Protestantism, I couldn't disagree more. Lefebvre was the OG recognize and resist. I just finished his book they have uncrowned him. It talks about what happened at V2, he was there, and why it not infallible. Otherwise, glad to have you in the traditional movement.
Thank you for sharing your perspective. I’d like to share part of my journey. As a young man, I often carried deep sorrows and found myself drawn to weekday Masses at my Newman Center. These Masses were held in a small, simple room, sometimes with just a handful of people. There was no grandeur or material beauty-but I didn’t go seeking that. I went because I knew God was there, and only He could bring peace to my heart. Looking back, I now recognize how beautiful those moments truly were. In their simplicity, I encountered Christ in such a profound way. I am deeply grateful for having had that experience-it was a reminder that the heart of the Mass is not external splendor but the presence of Christ in the Eucharist. Whether in a grand cathedral or a tiny chapel, the same sacrifice takes place. The beauty of the Mass is found in our openness to God, not in our surroundings. Let’s give thanks for the gift of the Eucharist and focus on building unity and reverence in our Church, trusting in Christ’s promise to be with us always.
The Traditional Calendar sets a higher bar to shoot for. Especially with the additional days of fast and abstinence. I believe the mandatory observance of Ember Days was removed in 1960. It’s a beautiful tradition. Not sure why the observance was stopped. Kinda like the disappearing Tabernacles. You’d ask why - Nobody could give you straight answer.
How timely is this video....I tried again to go to an NO this morning. There is nothing else near me and someone or something was pulling me to go. I usually watch a live TLM on YT. BUT, I went bc as I said, something pulled me. After seeing a girl server, random people strolling past the alter without genuflecting, and listening to a homily about "how little money" was being tithed, I just wanted to run. I held out until the priest consumed the host and wine, and I shot out of there like a bullet. I was actually shaking. I can't do it! I have no idea why I felt that strong urge to go. 😢
I can identify with your urge to leave that N.O. I felt the same way. Upon reflection, and having returned to a Traditional Mass chapel for a few years now, it was because it pained me to see Our Lord being denigrated, overlooked and hardly mentioned in the modernist Mass settings. Now, Holy Mass is a safe haven for my soul, where reverent and true worship is being offered to God the Father, in the Sacrifice of His Son. Thank God for the heroic Abp. Marcel Lefebvre, of happy memory, and the priests of the SSPX!
Your love for reverence in the liturgy is commendable, but I can’t help noticing that arguments like this resemble those of evangelical Protestants critiquing the Mass. They often say, “It’s not ordered the way we like,” or “It feels wrong.” But the purpose of the Mass-whether Novus Ordo or TLM-isn’t about personal preferences. It’s about worshiping Christ, uniting as His Body, and participating in His sacrifice. This focus on form over substance risks falling into the same individualism Protestants often bring against the Mass itself. Yes, we long for reverence, but to dismiss a valid liturgy instituted by the Church-the same Church that canonized saints and preserved the faith-sounds dangerously close to their argument, just in reverse. The Mass isn’t about what feels right to us but about coming together to worship Christ. The imperfections we notice in others or even in the liturgy’s execution don’t diminish Christ’s real presence or the grace we receive. Let’s reflect on this and ensure our love for one form of the Mass doesn’t turn into the same kind of division we often critique in others.
@@paisley293 It’s heartbreaking to see this perspective because it mirrors the Protestant rejection of “ritual” while prioritizing personal preferences over the Church’s authority. By dismissing the Novus Ordo and rejecting the guidance of the Magisterium, it undermines Christ’s promise to preserve His Church (Matthew 16:18). Sacred Tradition and the Eucharist unite us-not the form of the liturgy. Our saints died to protect the unity of the Church, enduring persecution to hand down the faith. To leave over an ecclesial form of worship is to prioritize preference over unity. Both the Novus Ordo and TLM offer the same Eucharistic sacrifice-Christ present, body, blood, soul, and divinity. True reverence comes from a heart focused on Him, not external forms alone. Rather than sow division, why not work to build reverence in your parish? Volunteer to start ministries like chant groups or holy hours, organize catechesis on the Eucharist, or pray for greater unity. The Church has survived for centuries not because of our preferences but because of God’s grace and the faithful who fought to preserve the truth in love. Be part of the solution, not the fracture.
I’m currently in RCIA as a convert and I switched to the oratory that holds LM. Traditional and scripture point there without question. What I saw is that many Catholic church’s have become Protestant churches pretending to be Catholic and I couldn’t ignore it anymore. I’m also studying the fathers. Catechism class I was in at a NO parish, the teachers were teaching, if not dancing on that line of, heresy. Plus, whenever questioned or challenged you were bullied if the questions weren’t within their realm of understanding. These people are stuck in the 60s-70s and anyone who mentions before that period is ignored or hushed, whether directly or passively.
I attended my first TLM in 2018 and was reduced to a crying mess by its reverence and beauty. I switched gave up regular attendance of Novus Ordo Masses in 2019. Since then I'd only pieced together some of what this video covers. I wish that I had it back in the 2000s when I was converting to Catholicism - I detected a problem when I was going through RCIA but couldn't figure out what it was; I've since identified that problem as "the spirit of Vatican II".
The TLM’s beauty is deeply moving and can inspire holiness. However, as St. Paul reminded the Corinthians, "Let there be no divisions among you" (1 Cor. 1:10). He corrected their disputes over preferences to focus on unity in Christ. Both TLM and Novus Ordo are valid and sacred. Instead of division, let’s use the TLM’s reverence to enrich retreats, processions, and parish life, building unity in the Church as Christ desires (John 17:21).
@ and who defines right worship? You? “Woe to you” I had to go to Mass in a tiny room for years with less than 10 people people. God was there because we went to him, cooperated with our faith. The Mass in TLM, NO, Divine Liturgy low mass or high mass or any approved rite is valid and a “right” form of worship. Prayers for your reversion .
I stopped going to a supposedly "traditional" place because of the adherence to the NO calendar. It was specifically the transfer of the feast of Christ the King that really made my blood boil.
Claiming that the Novus Ordo Missae is the "world’s biggest atheist maker" misrepresents the truth and disregards the Church’s mission. Both the TLM and Novus Ordo are valid and sacred liturgies, centered on the Eucharist-the source and summit of our faith. Atheism arises not from the liturgy itself but often from poor catechesis, lack of evangelization, or personal struggles with faith. The TLM’s reverence is undeniably beautiful, but holiness isn’t confined to one form of the Mass. Countless saints, missionaries, and defenders of the faith have emerged from the Novus Ordo. Instead of dividing ourselves over preferences, we should focus on building up the Church through better catechesis, promoting reverence in all liturgies, and deepening our own understanding of the Eucharist. Remember, Christ calls us to unity. As St. Paul writes, “Let there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment” (1 Cor. 1:10). Instead of fostering division, why not use the strengths of both forms to inspire greater devotion? If you love the TLM, promote its beauty charitably by starting chant ministries, organizing retreats, or encouraging reverence in every liturgical setting. Division weakens the Church, but unity in Christ strengthens us all.
I can only imagine the pain you feel after being talked into cremating your child. This has been a pastoral disaster . God love you. You left a comfortable position at CAL in pursuit of the truth
I go to a dual rite parish. The novus ordo stuff is increasingly plastic, saccharin and alienating. The fact that I can easily follow Holy Mother Church from my used 1950 Marian missal at the TLM today in 2025 speaks volumes. The priests can't even follow the words in the NO 'liturgies' printed in those cheap disposable newspaper print ABC missals, I know, I've tried to follow it for the love of the liturgy. The novus ordo calendar is a facsimile of the True Church. Trying to follow both calendars, even for the sake of fellowship, is actually schizophrenic. Don't be bothered when people sound angry or feel grumpy. Mad Trads seem to always get a raw deal. It took those folks a lot less time to figure out what was rotten in the Church; and you can't blame them for their frustration. Add to that fact how many family members have left the Church because The Unchangeable - changed? Glad you're finally coming around. Some of the ugly truth you uncover is probably going to make you mad, too. Welcome home.
I grew up on the Novus Ordo, and my faith is far from plastic. It’s rooted in deep study of apologetics, history, and charity. The Novus Ordo is a valid and sacred liturgy approved by the Church, not a facsimile. While the TLM’s beauty is undeniable, claiming one form is "true" sows division. Christ’s Church has always adapted while safeguarding the deposit of faith. Let’s use our love for the liturgy to build unity and holiness, not fracture the Body of Christ.
@SaintlySaavy +JMJ The NO is like flat Coke. It's still Coke, but you pour it down the drain. The NO is the source of the division and chaos in the Church. It ruptured with Sacred Tradition. The NO is no longer about joining the Lord in His Holy Sacrifice. It's about a happy meal where everyone goes to heaven. It's focus is on us, not on the Lord. The NO has it backwards. I submitted to the change 55 years ago as I thought that's what Catholics were supposed to do. No more. The NO not only is divisive, it's chaotic and not what the Lord wants by any objective measure. It's pride that keeps the Church from admitting the failure and fixing it.
@shellir8989 @SaintlySaavy +JMJ The NO is like flat Coke. It's still Coke, but you pour it down the drain. The NO is the source of the division and chaos in the Church. It ruptured with Sacred Tradition. The NO is no longer about joining the Lord in His Holy Sacrifice. It's about a happy meal where everyone goes to heaven. It's focus is on us, not on the Lord. The NO has it backwards. I submitted to the change 55 years ago as I thought that's what Catholics were supposed to do. No more. The NO not only is divisive, it's chaotic and not what the Lord wants by any objective measure. It's pride that keeps the Church from admitting the failure and fixing it.
I left a suposedly traditional place because of the adherance to the NO calendar. I remember it hit me when Christ the King was celebrated on a different day. It made my blood boil. Thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge. It's greatly needed!
this was all before I was born. do you know how the common lay reacted to latin mass before these changes? did they understand the mass or turn up to mass, ignore everything and go to receive Eucharist? just curious. we see today, some apologist make the remark that muslims recite Quranic verses in arabic, but they don't understand what they are saying. Also, there is a common story (not sure if all of it true), that when st. Francis first when to see the Pope, he prepared a latin script to recite, and couldn't articulate it, rhen abandoned it, and began speaking beatitudes in his native italian. I am just wondering if there were good intentions to perhaps get the lay to be more involved in the mass- but things went a bit too far in other areas.
The “participation” was hijacked, changes were made without proper approval, and evolved. It was to make the Church ecumenical, to one day be one level playing field with all religions, that all are one; which is heresy. Pope is going in that direction with relativism. Pray he converts. He was brought up in liberation theology and Marxism’s social justice.
The proof for how the laity reacted to the changes to the Mass from the late 1960s into the 1970s is well documented. Millions of laity and religious left the Catholic Church because theey could not stomach the New Mass. I'm told my own grandmother was heartbroken, but she soldiered on with the Novus Ordo until her death. She had no TLM options as a farmer in a small midwestern community.
@jeffbrewster7475 thanks. i have only known NO my whole life, but i was lucky that wherever i went the priests were reverent. i particularly have fond memories of Holy Thursday mass in the cathedral of my youth- when the bishop would make a slow procession with the holy Eucharist, holding the monstrance via a decorated cloth and there were 4 pall bearers holding an elaborate tent over him, whilst the alter servers taking turns to incense. the bishop's eyes transfixed on the Eucharist. this year, i think i might travel a bit further to attend a Cathedral. (my local parish- the priests are reverent, and kneelers are placed on the 2 main lines for Eucharist. I will also try to visit a TLM - i have never been to one- just snippets i see on YT.
Including JP2 in your list of saints that were nourished by the TLM is a mistake. JP2 was a modernist who believed in many of the same errors you are criticizing
If you look at Wojtyla’s background in Poland, he obviously fell in with actual occultists. There were a lot of people in Poland in fashionable circles participating in the occult. Woytyla knew them.
There were Modernists way back as early as Leo XIII’s reign. Every Pope until Francis grew up and was ordained a priest within the TLM. Benedict XVI was the first to be consecrated bishop in the N.O. JP2 was ordained in secret to hide from the Communists.
It seems to me the problems in the Church are emotional. Until the chaos of Francis and the strange resignation of B16, you Patrick, would not have been convinced by trads no matter how much evidence was given. But the emotional traumas of scandals made you question things.
I can understand how scandals and leadership challenges can shake faith and lead to deep questioning. But framing the Church’s problems as primarily emotional overlooks the bigger picture. The Church, founded by Christ, is both divine and human, and its human side has always faced struggles-from Judas’ betrayal to the crises of different eras. Yet through it all, Christ’s promise remains: “The gates of hell shall not prevail against it” (Matthew 16:18). It’s important to remember that no pope-Francis, Benedict, or any other-is the Church. The Church is the Body of Christ, guided by the Holy Spirit. Emotional reactions to scandals are understandable, but they must not lead us to division or despair. Instead of focusing on the chaos, let’s focus on what unites us: the Eucharist, sacred tradition, and our shared call to holiness. The answer to scandals isn’t retreating into camps but doubling down on prayer, catechesis, and building strong domestic churches. Problems in the Church are real, but they are not solved by division or emotional reactions-they’re solved by fidelity, faith, and trust in Christ, who remains with His Church through every storm.
@@SaintlySaavy Sedevacantism is an emotional reaction to the changes after Vatican II. The Beneplenists are emotionally reacting to B16's resignation. Protestant reformation was emotional response to corruption in the Church. Protestant Converts to the Faith usually comes after an emotional situation in their own church. eg. Anglicans and Methodists or personal crisis.
It’s deeply troubling to hear the Church labeled in such a divisive way. Vatican II, guided by the Holy Spirit, was called to address the Church’s mission in a changing world while remaining faithful to Christ. To dismiss it entirely ignores Christ’s promise: “The gates of hell shall not prevail against it” (Matthew 16:18). As Mother Angelica said, “The Church is the spouse of Christ. He loves her. He died for her. She’s human and she’s divine. She’s wretched and she’s beautiful. She’s the Body of Christ and sometimes that body is wounded. We are the ones who can heal those wounds by our love, our forgiveness, and our fidelity.” Instead of tearing her apart, let’s work to heal her wounds. Criticism born of love and fidelity is one thing, but division and disrespect are another. Christ gave us the Church as a gift. Let’s respond with gratitude, love, and unity, trusting in His guidance through every storm.
The Church has prevailed... doubtful the folks who pushed V2 down our throats with threats of eternal hellfire, who can say ? Just because the Holy Ghost gives direction does not mean that He will be obeyed or even noticed by those who have their agendas already set.
Mr. Coffin you've come such a long way, you are definitely on the right track. Just need to come to the point where you reject the whole novus ordo rite, because it's simply not Catholic. Paul VI was probably the worst Pope in Church History, arguably worse than Francis. There's a reason the SSPX and the traditional movement are still around and rapidly growing, because God has his hand on them.
@marcokite spot on. I'd even go so far as to say "doubtful" popes. Not an outright sedevacantist by any means, but it seems pretty clear that there's sufficient evidence to entertain a reasonable doubt from Paul VI on
This guy has moved further out of the Church every year because he doesn't have the intellectual equipment to oppose the radicals who have left the Church. The liturgy has always changed and will continue to change. He has zero authority on matters liturgical and can't handle the fact the relevant authorities within the Church. Disobedience is his fundamental problem along with ignorance of the history of the liturgy. Rejecting the Magisterium of the Church is a serious matter and this non scholar is not one to take seriously.
How can we, the laity, be sure that it’s the Holy Spirit and not the smoke of Satan that inspired the Magisterium this time? I remember as a boy in the early 70s in Vietnam, I attended mass every day even when visiting relatives. Men and women sat in separate sides. We received Communion on the tounge while kneeling at the Communion rail and the altar boy holding the plate to catch the crumbs. And I understood that not a single Eucharist particle can disrespected. And that was the Norvus Ordo era already. But then I quickly adapted to mixed genders sitting, Communion in the hand, altar girls, attending mass just on Sunday…when we settled in the US in 1980. I was young and didn’t recognize the significant changes. Without UA-cam I would probably never know the details of “Vatican II” or learn about beauty of the TLM that brought back memories of those olden days in ‘Nam when worship was part of daily activities like breakfast or dinner.
I understand your love for the Traditional Latin Mass and your desire to defend the faith-it comes from a genuine place. But at what cost? To sow division within our Mother Church? Christ entrusted His Church to Peter, an imperfect man who denied Him three times (Luke 22:61-62). Yet Christ chose Peter to unify, not divide. When we bicker over liturgical forms as though one tradition invalidates another, we risk undermining the unity Christ prayed for (John 17:21). Blaming the Novus Ordo for the Church’s challenges is a weak correlation. The world pre-Vatican II was vastly different. Bishops weren’t scrutinized in real time by millions, their words weren’t broadcast live, and the media didn’t twist every statement to sow confusion. Today, the tools of the great accuser are sharper than ever, and we are helping him by fighting over ecclesial tradition rather than focusing on sacred tradition. Remember, Jesus and the apostles didn’t speak Latin-they prayed in Aramaic and Greek. Our faith must not be reduced to liturgical preference. Both the Novus Ordo and the TLM are valid expressions of the same Eucharistic mystery. To claim one destroys faith is to ignore the countless Novus Ordo attendees who defend life, teach the faith, and grow in holiness. The Church’s mission is to save souls, not debate relics of ecclesial tradition at the expense of unity. Instead of fostering division, let’s focus our efforts on building up the Body of Christ. Support pro-life walks, help in local ministries, strengthen your domestic church by praying with your family, studying Church history, or reading Scripture. I could be better at this myself-praying with my family or studying the Word of God would bear more fruit than writing or reading divisive arguments like this. The Church has survived far worse and will endure because Christ promised it would (Matthew 16:18). Our task is not to tear down but to build up. What is 60 years to God? The battle is already won. Let’s align our efforts with Christ’s victory by fostering unity, defending life, and growing in faith-not by sowing disunity.
I couldn’t disagree more. The NO is terribly harmful to the faith. I experienced it my entire life and have witnessed it in many many many people including my entire family and most sadly my children.
@ is it the form or their faith? To blame the Mass is the same argument Protestants have to blame the Church. What about those who held Mass in the Catacombs, those in Japan, China, Syria who held Mass in secret. Woe to you …
@@bonniesammons2348Calling the NO "harmful" overlooks Church history and global reality. TLM is beautiful but often a “rich person’s Mass,” detached from the struggles of Catholics past and present. Our ancestors worshipped in secret catacombs in Aramaic and Greek-not Latin-and many today risk their lives to celebrate Mass in humble settings. Meanwhile, in cozy America, we cry about form. Woe to us (Matt. 23:25-26). Let’s focus on Christ, unity, and faith-building instead of sowing division.
@@SaintlySaavywhat arguments can you possibly give for all the HARMS caused by the NO that Patrick raised? How can you with a straight face say that what he says is not true? You can’t. You can’t and be honest at the same time.
Did Jesus give the apostle's communion on their tongues while they were kneeling? Regardless, you are free to receive while kneeling on the tongue at a NO mass. I do know people who are TLM only and never go to confession. They don't seem to have a clue as to what is going on or what's being said. They seem to like the Gregorian chant more than anything else. I think most of the complaints, such as which way the priest is facing, are frivolous. The Church has changed the orientation of the liturgy several times in its history. I know people who have only gone to NO who are much holier than the TLMers. How is that? I suppose to TLMers this is "fake holiness"? Who is holier, a good NO priest, or a TLM layman? Just asking. Truth fears no questions.
I agree, the heart of the Mass, whether Novus Ordo or TLM, is the Eucharist-Christ Himself. Gregorian chant is beautiful and valid, and I’d love to see it more in retreats and Holy Hours. But it’s also an opportunity for TLM lovers to make a broader impact. Imagine bringing chant into processions, public prayer, and parish life, like in other parts of the world. This could enrich the whole community and unite us through the beauty of sacred tradition. Let’s build unity, not division.
You are absolutely right. Return to Tradition. Alter rails and communion on the tongue are a MUST!! 🙏❤️
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I’d like to offer my own experience. During a time of deep sorrow, I attended weekday Masses at my college Newman Center. These were simple, quiet Masses in a small room, with just a few of us gathered. I wasn’t there for grandeur or Latin-I went searching for peace, for God. And I found Him. Christ met me there in the Eucharist, bringing the comfort and strength I desperately needed.
Looking back, it would be foolish for me to say, “You can’t find God here because it’s not in Latin.” I didn’t know Latin, and in truth, it didn’t matter. What mattered was Christ’s presence in the Mass, the same sacrifice offered everywhere in the world.
While I appreciate the beauty and reverence of tradition, the heart of the Mass is not in external forms but in the Eucharist. God meets us where we are, in our brokenness, through His Church. Let’s not limit His grace by dividing over preferences, but instead focus on unity, faith, and sharing His love with others.
Best explanation and delivery of the Catholic Faith Ive ever heard on the Internet. Thank you.
I'm 70 years old and I have the Traditional Fr. Lasance 1945 Missal with the full Liturgical Calendar for all the Mass Devotions. Daily and Sunday's. And Prayers for every situation. It is a great Missal and I highly recommend it.
And thank you Patric for speaking the Truth. May The Lord Saturate Our Souls With The Holy Spirit. 🔥✝️🙏
Patrick, you got me through, on the straight and narrow, a M.A. in Theology back in the Catholic Answers Focus days! Your interview on the Coup and Catholic University was helpful to knowing why I was in the middle of heresy at every turn! God love you sir!
As a cradle Catholic, I believe in the Triune God and I aspire to Heaven. Knowing the Catechism, observing the Commandments and living a sacramental life, keeps one on the right path, receiving grace, and is a sure guide when the world, the flesh and the devil assail. True story, told by a priest >> a Catholic man, now in jail for a felony, in anguish said to the visiting priest who happened to have been a school friend, ''Why should I desire to live? What is the purpose of my life? I want to die!'' The priest calmly and with full assurance in his voice, said to him, ''God created you to know, love and serve Him in this life, and to be happy with Him forever in the next.'' The prisoner was struck by the answer, from the Catechism, and responded, '' I guess that's a good enough reason to live.''
In 1967 I looked at my brother's copy of the Baltimore Catechism and saw that same question of the meaning of life. I asked him if the nuns at St Linus were going use this book. He said "Sister says we don't teach THAT anymore...". My brother no longer attends mass. Vatican II, and the Spirit of Vatican II were a disaster and a failure.
@@M5guitar1 : yes, indeed the Second Vatican Council was like the French Revolution within the Church. However, there is a revival, a ground-swell of young famiies, raising their children in the Faith. God is with us! I pray that your brother, like so many of our family members, will return to the Heart of Jesus. 🙏
Fr. Ripperger said "the solution to pollution is dilution"
The more normal Catholics like us that find tradition the more it counters that old spitefulness that used to be pervasive. But they were spiteful because they had something taken away from them, and we are happy because we've discovered something. Something they fought to keep and we wouldn't have otherwise.
I know you've said the sspx was Highchurch Protestantism, I couldn't disagree more. Lefebvre was the OG recognize and resist.
I just finished his book
they have uncrowned him.
It talks about what happened at V2, he was there, and why it not infallible.
Otherwise, glad to have you in the traditional movement.
Thank you for sharing your perspective. I’d like to share part of my journey. As a young man, I often carried deep sorrows and found myself drawn to weekday Masses at my Newman Center. These Masses were held in a small, simple room, sometimes with just a handful of people. There was no grandeur or material beauty-but I didn’t go seeking that. I went because I knew God was there, and only He could bring peace to my heart.
Looking back, I now recognize how beautiful those moments truly were. In their simplicity, I encountered Christ in such a profound way. I am deeply grateful for having had that experience-it was a reminder that the heart of the Mass is not external splendor but the presence of Christ in the Eucharist.
Whether in a grand cathedral or a tiny chapel, the same sacrifice takes place. The beauty of the Mass is found in our openness to God, not in our surroundings. Let’s give thanks for the gift of the Eucharist and focus on building unity and reverence in our Church, trusting in Christ’s promise to be with us always.
The Traditional Calendar sets a higher bar to shoot for. Especially with the additional days of fast and abstinence. I believe the mandatory observance of Ember Days was removed in 1960. It’s a beautiful tradition. Not sure why the observance was stopped.
Kinda like the disappearing Tabernacles. You’d ask why - Nobody could give you straight answer.
Thank you Patrick for giving us background on the last 75 years in the Church.
How timely is this video....I tried again to go to an NO this morning. There is nothing else near me and someone or something was pulling me to go. I usually watch a live TLM on YT. BUT, I went bc as I said, something pulled me. After seeing a girl server, random people strolling past the alter without genuflecting, and listening to a homily about "how little money" was being tithed, I just wanted to run. I held out until the priest consumed the host and wine, and I shot out of there like a bullet. I was actually shaking. I can't do it! I have no idea why I felt that strong urge to go. 😢
I can identify with your urge to leave that N.O. I felt the same way. Upon reflection, and having returned to a Traditional Mass chapel for a few years now, it was because it pained me to see Our Lord being denigrated, overlooked and hardly mentioned in the modernist Mass settings. Now, Holy Mass is a safe haven for my soul, where reverent and true worship is being offered to God the Father, in the Sacrifice of His Son. Thank God for the heroic Abp. Marcel Lefebvre, of happy memory, and the priests of the SSPX!
Your love for reverence in the liturgy is commendable, but I can’t help noticing that arguments like this resemble those of evangelical Protestants critiquing the Mass. They often say, “It’s not ordered the way we like,” or “It feels wrong.” But the purpose of the Mass-whether Novus Ordo or TLM-isn’t about personal preferences. It’s about worshiping Christ, uniting as His Body, and participating in His sacrifice.
This focus on form over substance risks falling into the same individualism Protestants often bring against the Mass itself. Yes, we long for reverence, but to dismiss a valid liturgy instituted by the Church-the same Church that canonized saints and preserved the faith-sounds dangerously close to their argument, just in reverse.
The Mass isn’t about what feels right to us but about coming together to worship Christ. The imperfections we notice in others or even in the liturgy’s execution don’t diminish Christ’s real presence or the grace we receive. Let’s reflect on this and ensure our love for one form of the Mass doesn’t turn into the same kind of division we often critique in others.
@@paisley293 It’s heartbreaking to see this perspective because it mirrors the Protestant rejection of “ritual” while prioritizing personal preferences over the Church’s authority. By dismissing the Novus Ordo and rejecting the guidance of the Magisterium, it undermines Christ’s promise to preserve His Church (Matthew 16:18). Sacred Tradition and the Eucharist unite us-not the form of the liturgy.
Our saints died to protect the unity of the Church, enduring persecution to hand down the faith. To leave over an ecclesial form of worship is to prioritize preference over unity. Both the Novus Ordo and TLM offer the same Eucharistic sacrifice-Christ present, body, blood, soul, and divinity. True reverence comes from a heart focused on Him, not external forms alone.
Rather than sow division, why not work to build reverence in your parish? Volunteer to start ministries like chant groups or holy hours, organize catechesis on the Eucharist, or pray for greater unity. The Church has survived for centuries not because of our preferences but because of God’s grace and the faithful who fought to preserve the truth in love. Be part of the solution, not the fracture.
So the Eucharist is better on YT? 😢
I’m currently in RCIA as a convert and I switched to the oratory that holds LM. Traditional and scripture point there without question. What I saw is that many Catholic church’s have become Protestant churches pretending to be Catholic and I couldn’t ignore it anymore.
I’m also studying the fathers. Catechism class I was in at a NO parish, the teachers were teaching, if not dancing on that line of, heresy. Plus, whenever questioned or challenged you were bullied if the questions weren’t within their realm of understanding. These people are stuck in the 60s-70s and anyone who mentions before that period is ignored or hushed, whether directly or passively.
I attended my first TLM in 2018 and was reduced to a crying mess by its reverence and beauty. I switched gave up regular attendance of Novus Ordo Masses in 2019. Since then I'd only pieced together some of what this video covers. I wish that I had it back in the 2000s when I was converting to Catholicism - I detected a problem when I was going through RCIA but couldn't figure out what it was; I've since identified that problem as "the spirit of Vatican II".
The TLM’s beauty is deeply moving and can inspire holiness. However, as St. Paul reminded the Corinthians, "Let there be no divisions among you" (1 Cor. 1:10). He corrected their disputes over preferences to focus on unity in Christ. Both TLM and Novus Ordo are valid and sacred. Instead of division, let’s use the TLM’s reverence to enrich retreats, processions, and parish life, building unity in the Church as Christ desires (John 17:21).
@@SaintlySaavyyou miss the point. It’s not about division. And it’s not even about validity. It’s about right worship of God.
@ and who defines right worship? You? “Woe to you”
I had to go to Mass in a tiny room for years with less than 10 people people. God was there because we went to him, cooperated with our faith. The Mass in TLM, NO, Divine Liturgy low mass or high mass or any approved rite is valid and a “right” form of worship.
Prayers for your reversion .
Nice to see you at TLM on Sunday
Thank you, Patrick. What you propose is what we need. Urgently. Catholicism doesn't feel Catholic anymore.
Coffin should get real and praise the SSPX for what they have achieved.
Excellent breakdown and analysis!!
Christ the king was moved taking away its true meaning.
I stopped going to a supposedly "traditional" place because of the adherence to the NO calendar. It was specifically the transfer of the feast of Christ the King that really made my blood boil.
The Novus Ordo Missae is the world’s biggest atheist maker.
Claiming that the Novus Ordo Missae is the "world’s biggest atheist maker" misrepresents the truth and disregards the Church’s mission. Both the TLM and Novus Ordo are valid and sacred liturgies, centered on the Eucharist-the source and summit of our faith. Atheism arises not from the liturgy itself but often from poor catechesis, lack of evangelization, or personal struggles with faith.
The TLM’s reverence is undeniably beautiful, but holiness isn’t confined to one form of the Mass. Countless saints, missionaries, and defenders of the faith have emerged from the Novus Ordo. Instead of dividing ourselves over preferences, we should focus on building up the Church through better catechesis, promoting reverence in all liturgies, and deepening our own understanding of the Eucharist.
Remember, Christ calls us to unity. As St. Paul writes, “Let there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment” (1 Cor. 1:10). Instead of fostering division, why not use the strengths of both forms to inspire greater devotion? If you love the TLM, promote its beauty charitably by starting chant ministries, organizing retreats, or encouraging reverence in every liturgical setting. Division weakens the Church, but unity in Christ strengthens us all.
Cremation was a concession made to the Freemasons, who hoped that it would weaken belief in the resurrection of the body.
True. Pre-V2, Catholic cremation was only allowed for public health and safety issues, and the bishop had to sign-off for each deceased.
I can only imagine the pain you feel after being talked into cremating your child. This has been a pastoral disaster . God love you. You left a comfortable position at CAL in pursuit of the truth
Cremation and the Latin mass have nothing to do with each other.
Dr. Carol Byrne, Born of Revolution: A Misconceived Liturgical Movement, Holyrood Press, 2020. Everyone ought to read this book!
V2 has created chaos, as intended
Ordinary Time - worst invention of all.
I will say this Yes there is a massive difference in the Mass and the calendar. However keep hope and faith Christ has this keep faith in him
So all those old saints only pray for us if their names are on the calendar?
I go to a dual rite parish. The novus ordo stuff is increasingly plastic, saccharin and alienating. The fact that I can easily follow Holy Mother Church from my used 1950 Marian missal at the TLM today in 2025 speaks volumes. The priests can't even follow the words in the NO 'liturgies' printed in those cheap disposable newspaper print ABC missals, I know, I've tried to follow it for the love of the liturgy. The novus ordo calendar is a facsimile of the True Church. Trying to follow both calendars, even for the sake of fellowship, is actually schizophrenic.
Don't be bothered when people sound angry or feel grumpy. Mad Trads seem to always get a raw deal. It took those folks a lot less time to figure out what was rotten in the Church; and you can't blame them for their frustration. Add to that fact how many family members have left the Church because The Unchangeable - changed? Glad you're finally coming around. Some of the ugly truth you uncover is probably going to make you mad, too. Welcome home.
@@shellir8989 +JMJ The Lord's Mass of the Ages must supplant the Novus Disordinatio!
What was rotten in the church???? Your church is not paying out billions in compensation because of the Latin mass.
I grew up on the Novus Ordo, and my faith is far from plastic. It’s rooted in deep study of apologetics, history, and charity. The Novus Ordo is a valid and sacred liturgy approved by the Church, not a facsimile. While the TLM’s beauty is undeniable, claiming one form is "true" sows division. Christ’s Church has always adapted while safeguarding the deposit of faith. Let’s use our love for the liturgy to build unity and holiness, not fracture the Body of Christ.
@SaintlySaavy +JMJ The NO is like flat Coke. It's still Coke, but you pour it down the drain. The NO is the source of the division and chaos in the Church. It ruptured with Sacred Tradition. The NO is no longer about joining the Lord in His Holy Sacrifice. It's about a happy meal where everyone goes to heaven. It's focus is on us, not on the Lord. The NO has it backwards. I submitted to the change 55 years ago as I thought that's what Catholics were supposed to do. No more. The NO not only is divisive, it's chaotic and not what the Lord wants by any objective measure. It's pride that keeps the Church from admitting the failure and fixing it.
@shellir8989 @SaintlySaavy +JMJ The NO is like flat Coke. It's still Coke, but you pour it down the drain. The NO is the source of the division and chaos in the Church. It ruptured with Sacred Tradition. The NO is no longer about joining the Lord in His Holy Sacrifice. It's about a happy meal where everyone goes to heaven. It's focus is on us, not on the Lord. The NO has it backwards. I submitted to the change 55 years ago as I thought that's what Catholics were supposed to do. No more. The NO not only is divisive, it's chaotic and not what the Lord wants by any objective measure. It's pride that keeps the Church from admitting the failure and fixing it.
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I can’t see how any intellectually honest person can argue that that Vatican 2 was a good thing for the church.
I left a suposedly traditional place because of the adherance to the NO calendar. I remember it hit me when Christ the King was celebrated on a different day. It made my blood boil. Thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge. It's greatly needed!
@@teresaoftheandes6279 that’s unfortunate. I will pray for your hardened heart.
We’re transitioning from the true Church to the Ape of the Church Venerable Archbishop Fulton Sheen warned us about.
this was all before I was born. do you know how the common lay reacted to latin mass before these changes? did they understand the mass or turn up to mass, ignore everything and go to receive Eucharist? just curious. we see today, some apologist make the remark that muslims recite Quranic verses in arabic, but they don't understand what they are saying. Also, there is a common story (not sure if all of it true), that when st. Francis first when to see the Pope, he prepared a latin script to recite, and couldn't articulate it, rhen abandoned it, and began speaking beatitudes in his native italian. I am just wondering if there were good intentions to perhaps get the lay to be more involved in the mass- but things went a bit too far in other areas.
The “participation” was hijacked, changes were made without proper approval, and evolved. It was to make the Church ecumenical, to one day be one level playing field with all religions, that all are one; which is heresy. Pope is going in that direction with relativism. Pray he converts. He was brought up in liberation theology and Marxism’s social justice.
The proof for how the laity reacted to the changes to the Mass from the late 1960s into the 1970s is well documented. Millions of laity and religious left the Catholic Church because theey could not stomach the New Mass. I'm told my own grandmother was heartbroken, but she soldiered on with the Novus Ordo until her death. She had no TLM options as a farmer in a small midwestern community.
@jeffbrewster7475 thanks. i have only known NO my whole life, but i was lucky that wherever i went the priests were reverent. i particularly have fond memories of Holy Thursday mass in the cathedral of my youth- when the bishop would make a slow procession with the holy Eucharist, holding the monstrance via a decorated cloth and there were 4 pall bearers holding an elaborate tent over him, whilst the alter servers taking turns to incense. the bishop's eyes transfixed on the Eucharist. this year, i think i might travel a bit further to attend a Cathedral. (my local parish- the priests are reverent, and kneelers are placed on the 2 main lines for Eucharist. I will also try to visit a TLM - i have never been to one- just snippets i see on YT.
Sounds like the Second Protestants "Reformation".
Including JP2 in your list of saints that were nourished by the TLM is a mistake. JP2 was a modernist who believed in many of the same errors you are criticizing
It's sad BUT it's absolutely True.
Unfortunately JP2 was not only a disaster for The Church but he was one of the top 3 worst Popes ever.
If you look at Wojtyla’s background in Poland, he obviously fell in with actual occultists. There were a lot of people in Poland in fashionable circles participating in the occult. Woytyla knew them.
There were Modernists way back as early as Leo XIII’s reign. Every Pope until Francis grew up and was ordained a priest within the TLM. Benedict XVI was the first to be consecrated bishop in the N.O. JP2 was ordained in secret to hide from the Communists.
Very good reflections I got there 4 years ago, I can’t come back to the Novus Ordo .
It seems to me the problems in the Church are emotional. Until the chaos of Francis and the strange resignation of B16, you Patrick, would not have been convinced by trads no matter how much evidence was given. But the emotional traumas of scandals made you question things.
I can understand how scandals and leadership challenges can shake faith and lead to deep questioning. But framing the Church’s problems as primarily emotional overlooks the bigger picture. The Church, founded by Christ, is both divine and human, and its human side has always faced struggles-from Judas’ betrayal to the crises of different eras. Yet through it all, Christ’s promise remains: “The gates of hell shall not prevail against it” (Matthew 16:18).
It’s important to remember that no pope-Francis, Benedict, or any other-is the Church. The Church is the Body of Christ, guided by the Holy Spirit. Emotional reactions to scandals are understandable, but they must not lead us to division or despair. Instead of focusing on the chaos, let’s focus on what unites us: the Eucharist, sacred tradition, and our shared call to holiness.
The answer to scandals isn’t retreating into camps but doubling down on prayer, catechesis, and building strong domestic churches. Problems in the Church are real, but they are not solved by division or emotional reactions-they’re solved by fidelity, faith, and trust in Christ, who remains with His Church through every storm.
@@SaintlySaavy Sedevacantism is an emotional reaction to the changes after Vatican II. The Beneplenists are emotionally reacting to B16's resignation. Protestant reformation was emotional response to corruption in the Church.
Protestant Converts to the Faith usually comes after an emotional situation in their own church. eg. Anglicans and Methodists or personal crisis.
V2 is the council of Judas
It’s deeply troubling to hear the Church labeled in such a divisive way. Vatican II, guided by the Holy Spirit, was called to address the Church’s mission in a changing world while remaining faithful to Christ. To dismiss it entirely ignores Christ’s promise: “The gates of hell shall not prevail against it” (Matthew 16:18).
As Mother Angelica said, “The Church is the spouse of Christ. He loves her. He died for her. She’s human and she’s divine. She’s wretched and she’s beautiful. She’s the Body of Christ and sometimes that body is wounded. We are the ones who can heal those wounds by our love, our forgiveness, and our fidelity.”
Instead of tearing her apart, let’s work to heal her wounds. Criticism born of love and fidelity is one thing, but division and disrespect are another. Christ gave us the Church as a gift. Let’s respond with gratitude, love, and unity, trusting in His guidance through every storm.
The Church has prevailed... doubtful the folks who pushed V2 down our throats with threats of eternal hellfire, who can say ? Just because the Holy Ghost gives direction does not mean that He will be obeyed or even noticed by those who have their agendas already set.
Mr. Coffin you've come such a long way, you are definitely on the right track. Just need to come to the point where you reject the whole novus ordo rite, because it's simply not Catholic. Paul VI was probably the worst Pope in Church History, arguably worse than Francis. There's a reason the SSPX and the traditional movement are still around and rapidly growing, because God has his hand on them.
Three worst popes in history; Paul VI, John-Paul II and now Francis.
@marcokite spot on. I'd even go so far as to say "doubtful" popes. Not an outright sedevacantist by any means, but it seems pretty clear that there's sufficient evidence to entertain a reasonable doubt from Paul VI on
This guy has moved further out of the Church every year because he doesn't have the intellectual equipment to oppose the radicals who have left the Church. The liturgy has always changed and will continue to change. He has zero authority on matters liturgical and can't handle the fact the relevant authorities within the Church. Disobedience is his fundamental problem along with ignorance of the history of the liturgy. Rejecting the Magisterium of the Church is a serious matter and this non scholar is not one to take seriously.
How can we, the laity, be sure that it’s the Holy Spirit and not the smoke of Satan that inspired the Magisterium this time? I remember as a boy in the early 70s in Vietnam, I attended mass every day even when visiting relatives. Men and women sat in separate sides. We received Communion on the tounge while kneeling at the Communion rail and the altar boy holding the plate to catch the crumbs. And I understood that not a single Eucharist particle can disrespected. And that was the Norvus Ordo era already. But then I quickly adapted to mixed genders sitting, Communion in the hand, altar girls, attending mass just on Sunday…when we settled in the US in 1980. I was young and didn’t recognize the significant changes. Without UA-cam I would probably never know the details of “Vatican II” or learn about beauty of the TLM that brought back memories of those olden days in ‘Nam when worship was part of daily activities like breakfast or dinner.
I prefer the Novus ordo.
I understand your love for the Traditional Latin Mass and your desire to defend the faith-it comes from a genuine place. But at what cost? To sow division within our Mother Church? Christ entrusted His Church to Peter, an imperfect man who denied Him three times (Luke 22:61-62). Yet Christ chose Peter to unify, not divide. When we bicker over liturgical forms as though one tradition invalidates another, we risk undermining the unity Christ prayed for (John 17:21).
Blaming the Novus Ordo for the Church’s challenges is a weak correlation. The world pre-Vatican II was vastly different. Bishops weren’t scrutinized in real time by millions, their words weren’t broadcast live, and the media didn’t twist every statement to sow confusion. Today, the tools of the great accuser are sharper than ever, and we are helping him by fighting over ecclesial tradition rather than focusing on sacred tradition. Remember, Jesus and the apostles didn’t speak Latin-they prayed in Aramaic and Greek.
Our faith must not be reduced to liturgical preference. Both the Novus Ordo and the TLM are valid expressions of the same Eucharistic mystery. To claim one destroys faith is to ignore the countless Novus Ordo attendees who defend life, teach the faith, and grow in holiness. The Church’s mission is to save souls, not debate relics of ecclesial tradition at the expense of unity.
Instead of fostering division, let’s focus our efforts on building up the Body of Christ. Support pro-life walks, help in local ministries, strengthen your domestic church by praying with your family, studying Church history, or reading Scripture. I could be better at this myself-praying with my family or studying the Word of God would bear more fruit than writing or reading divisive arguments like this.
The Church has survived far worse and will endure because Christ promised it would (Matthew 16:18). Our task is not to tear down but to build up. What is 60 years to God? The battle is already won. Let’s align our efforts with Christ’s victory by fostering unity, defending life, and growing in faith-not by sowing disunity.
I couldn’t disagree more. The NO is terribly harmful to the faith. I experienced it my entire life and have witnessed it in many many many people including my entire family and most sadly my children.
@ is it the form or their faith? To blame the Mass is the same argument Protestants have to blame the Church. What about those who held Mass in the Catacombs, those in Japan, China, Syria who held Mass in secret.
Woe to you …
@@bonniesammons2348Calling the NO "harmful" overlooks Church history and global reality. TLM is beautiful but often a “rich person’s Mass,” detached from the struggles of Catholics past and present. Our ancestors worshipped in secret catacombs in Aramaic and Greek-not Latin-and many today risk their lives to celebrate Mass in humble settings. Meanwhile, in cozy America, we cry about form. Woe to us (Matt. 23:25-26). Let’s focus on Christ, unity, and faith-building instead of sowing division.
@@SaintlySaavywhat arguments can you possibly give for all the HARMS caused by the NO that Patrick raised? How can you with a straight face say that what he says is not true? You can’t. You can’t and be honest at the same time.
@ I do and did . See my comment
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You still a sede? Cause if so, opinion rejected
reject an opinion for no other reason than holding pope Francis in suspicion .......
Did Jesus give the apostle's communion on their tongues while they were kneeling? Regardless, you are free to receive while kneeling on the tongue at a NO mass. I do know people who are TLM only and never go to confession. They don't seem to have a clue as to what is going on or what's being said. They seem to like the Gregorian chant more than anything else. I think most of the complaints, such as which way the priest is facing, are frivolous. The Church has changed the orientation of the liturgy several times in its history. I know people who have only gone to NO who are much holier than the TLMers. How is that? I suppose to TLMers this is "fake holiness"? Who is holier, a good NO priest, or a TLM layman? Just asking. Truth fears no questions.
I agree, the heart of the Mass, whether Novus Ordo or TLM, is the Eucharist-Christ Himself. Gregorian chant is beautiful and valid, and I’d love to see it more in retreats and Holy Hours. But it’s also an opportunity for TLM lovers to make a broader impact. Imagine bringing chant into processions, public prayer, and parish life, like in other parts of the world. This could enrich the whole community and unite us through the beauty of sacred tradition. Let’s build unity, not division.
the Apostles were made PRIESTS...