Wow, that was an amazingly informative video. Can't believe you got those shots with two lights. That's some serious light sculpture. Awesome video Jay P!
I am a complete newbie. I will have to go and practice and see if I am able to position the lights to get the looks. I would have loved it if you would have shown the lights positions for each pic you took 😊 it would have given me a clearer idea
It always amazes me how some viewers take the content provided as a Hurrell "style" session and critique every point of the video. The video was informative and showed what can be done with LED panels. Most fans of photography understand that Hurrell's equipment was totally different from today without the need to spew out "snobby" comments. Well done Jay, it was an interesting video!
In B/B, red doesn't automatically go black. First, it depends on the luminance of the red, second on the film's colour balance. Lastly it could depend on the filter. Since portrait photographers tended to use red filters to get more radiant and flawless skin, red lipstick would go very bright grey. To counteract that, many B/W portrait photographers would actually have their sitters wear green lipstick, which would go darker the stronger a red filter they used.
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I love these kinds of portraits and trying to learn how to take them, so this was great, even though I realize it is far more difficuot to get it right than it looks in the video :-) Thanks!
Not quite. Using tungsten hot lights with their much lower UV content allows makeup to work much better than with LEDs. A fresnel spotlight was used at a much longer distance which was another vital ingredient. Hurrels' lenses had much higher spherical aberration which was an important part of the look as well. The modern lens which works the best for this style is the rare and not well known Nikkor 105 f2.5 DFC.
agylub I'm not convinced that the hot lights were often a long way away, there are two reasons for this.. Stories of Herrell's studios have rumour of a massive room with a probable balcony, but also rumour of a small space of which he was apparently also somewhat embarrassed about on at least one occasion. Also, looking through the pictures on Google, there's at least one picture I've seen in which the shadows suggest the light was around 2ft out of shot.. There's possibly also a picture of Herrell with a light.
Why use a tripod and set the ISO as high (1250) instead to increase the exposure duration ? (I suppose that the aperture value at f4.0 is a stylistic choice / or the lens cannot open wider). This ISO value could lead to more noise effect, no ?
Big huge lifelong cinephile here.This is awesome.George Hurrell and Clarence Sinclair Bull were the two top masters at this legendary iconic way of lighting stars.
I realize this vid is somewhat old so I’m hoping that I can get an answer as to what kind of power wattage u were using five years ago on your constant lighting?? since constant lights have greatly reduced in price, im thinking i would like to get some and work them into some of my work. With the LED lights being anywhere from 45 to 60 W - the few i have been looking at- I was wondering if yours were that strong, stronger (?) is that all you need if you have one or two of them? 45-60w each I know they make them stronger or so they are rated as higher wattage capacity but if you do not need higher and or need to spend the money for higher watts, will 45-60 W per lite panel do? with decent shutter speed as well!! ive only shot with strobes so far - thanks for any advice btw, thanks for this fantastic vid/info… the images look beautiful!! 👌🏼
Red lips don't go dark on all black and white films, that's why many times the photographer would use a green filter over the lens. Green filters subtracts red making it appear darker. The warmer the light source the lighter red lips are going to look. Ortho film, for example, is not sensitive to red and therefore red lips will appear darker. Ortho film was often used for masculine portraits because it gave a more ruddy look. This is not to take away from anything J P. Morgan has to say...he is a master photographer in every sense of the word.
Vectors (with grid) looks special at first sight... better than heavy complex set with Aputure COB120 LED with soft box... somewhat strange... but the price +3k for a 3 units kit... pffffffffffffft !
Great video and I subscribe to your channel but you don't know how frustrating it is to see all these great lights such as Rosco and then find I can't buy them here in the UK :-(
c'est bien mais en meme temps c'est tres tres moyen comme photo, les panneaux leds, ne sont pas fait pour ça, ils n'arrivent pas a créer le modelé et le sculpté et surtout le velouté nécessaire pour faire ce genre d'image, c'est une approximation, sur le style, mais rien ne remplacer un mole richardson en fresnel de 10 pouces, et rien ne remplacera non plus un dedolight ou du godox avec lentille et surtout un nombre important de spot, pour bien créer du modelé en point par point ....
wrong lights wrong lens. Close but no cigar. Using 150W halogen Fresnels will give you a much more authentic look but they are some what more challenging to use. Hotlights also render skin much more appealing. . The only modern lens that come close to the 300mm lens Hurrell used is The Nikon 105 f2.5 DFC. A lens with controllable spherical aberration. An LED with a Grid is not a spotlight.
Wow, that was an amazingly informative video. Can't believe you got those shots with two lights. That's some serious light sculpture. Awesome video Jay P!
Thanks Justin!
I am a complete newbie. I will have to go and practice and see if I am able to position the lights to get the looks. I would have loved it if you would have shown the lights positions for each pic you took 😊 it would have given me a clearer idea
It always amazes me how some viewers take the content provided as a Hurrell "style" session and critique every point of the video. The video was informative and showed what can be done with LED panels. Most fans of photography understand that Hurrell's equipment was totally different from today without the need to spew out "snobby" comments. Well done Jay, it was an interesting video!
Thank you, I appreciate you comment!
In B/B, red doesn't automatically go black. First, it depends on the luminance of the red, second on the film's colour balance. Lastly it could depend on the filter. Since portrait photographers tended to use red filters to get more radiant and flawless skin, red lipstick would go very bright grey. To counteract that, many B/W portrait photographers would actually have their sitters wear green lipstick, which would go darker the stronger a red filter they used.
I love these kinds of portraits and trying to learn how to take them, so this was great, even though I realize it is far more difficuot to get it right than it looks in the video :-) Thanks!
Thanks for watching, Richard.
Not quite. Using tungsten hot lights with their much lower UV content allows makeup to work much better than with LEDs. A fresnel spotlight was used at a much longer distance which was another vital ingredient. Hurrels' lenses had much higher spherical aberration which was an important part of the look as well. The modern lens which works the best for this style is the rare and not well known Nikkor 105 f2.5 DFC.
agylub
I'm not convinced that the hot lights were often a long way away, there are two reasons for this..
Stories of Herrell's studios have rumour of a massive room with a probable balcony, but also rumour of a small space of which he was apparently also somewhat embarrassed about on at least one occasion.
Also, looking through the pictures on Google, there's at least one picture I've seen in which the shadows suggest the light was around 2ft out of shot.. There's possibly also a picture of Herrell with a light.
Very informative, love your enthusiasm and how humbly you share your expertise.
I appreciate that! Thank you for watching and thanks for your comment!
Why use a tripod and set the ISO as high (1250) instead to increase the exposure duration ? (I suppose that the aperture value at f4.0 is a stylistic choice / or the lens cannot open wider). This ISO value could lead to more noise effect, no ?
Big huge lifelong cinephile here.This is awesome.George Hurrell and Clarence Sinclair Bull were the two top masters at this legendary iconic way of lighting stars.
They were. Thanks for watching.
This is so fun! Thank you ❤️
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for your comment!
Awesome episode!!
Never had the opportunity to shoot with fresnel lights, I should give it a try!
Thanks so much.
I realize this vid is somewhat old so I’m hoping that I can get an answer as to what kind of power wattage u were using five years ago on your constant lighting?? since constant lights have greatly reduced in price, im thinking i would like to get some and work them into some of my work. With the LED lights being anywhere from 45 to 60 W - the few i have been looking at-
I was wondering if yours were that strong, stronger (?) is that all you need if you have one or two of them? 45-60w each
I know they make them stronger or so they are rated as higher wattage capacity but if you do not need higher and or need to spend the money for higher watts, will 45-60 W per lite panel do? with decent shutter speed as well!!
ive only shot with strobes so far - thanks for any advice
btw, thanks for this fantastic vid/info… the images look beautiful!! 👌🏼
I use mostly 150 watts and higher. And if you are not shooting video it is better to stick with strobes.
Lovely!
Glad you liked it. Thanks for watching!
Wow! Thanks!
Our pleasure! Hope you learned some good stuff!
Would these be bright enough for shooting large format film at f16 and full bellows extension?
These were 1/40 at f/4 at 1200 iso. So if you're shooting 400 speed film you're going to have shutter speeds down at around a second or two at least.
Thanks for posting. Too many vids on photography are too long. This was fantastic just right! Made it simpler to do.
Good to hear. Thanks for your feedback!
Could we persuade you to do something on Yousuf Karsh too?
Great suggestion. Thanks for watching!
I love your video about light. I'm learning so much.
Thanks! Check out our Laws of Light playlist for more: ua-cam.com/video/QFEFGvzBFvg/v-deo.html
I'd love to see you guys do this with some real contemporary fresnel lenses to see the difference.
cheers.
There's no difference lol
does the high Iso limit what you can use the photos for?
Mirrors and reflectors can put light where needed without adding light sources.
So true. Thanks for your comment!
Fantastic episode!
Thanks for the tips!!!
Thanks so much, Ricardo. It was a fun lesson.
Red lips don't go dark on all black and white films, that's why many times the photographer would use a green filter over the lens. Green filters subtracts red making it appear darker. The warmer the light source the lighter red lips are going to look. Ortho film, for example, is not sensitive to red and therefore red lips will appear darker. Ortho film was often used for masculine portraits because it gave a more ruddy look. This is not to take away from anything J P. Morgan has to say...he is a master photographer in every sense of the word.
Thanks for the input Jeff!
love film noir!
Yeah, it is such an artistic approach!
it sure is!@@TheSlantedLens
Love your channel!
Thanks Jeff
beautiful!!!!!
Thank you, Dinko.
Seriously, this photoshoot is mind blowing. I LOVE the photos! How would workflow differ if you had only strobes, instead of continuous lighting?
Vectors (with grid) looks special at first sight... better than heavy complex set with Aputure COB120 LED with soft box... somewhat strange... but the price +3k for a 3 units kit... pffffffffffffft !
Useful as always. Thanks!
Thanks for watching as always. :)
Nice! Love your energy, Jay! :)
Thanks, Justin! It's quite exhausting being at 100% all the time 😆
Great video and I subscribe to your channel but you don't know how frustrating it is to see all these great lights such as Rosco and then find I can't buy them here in the UK :-(
Let Rosco know you want them in the UK!
Ok will do.
Get some halogen fresnel spotlights - better cheaper
Interesting. I've always shot with Fresnel lights.
Those definitely work.
cool
Very informative, but aren't those led lights a pain on the model's eyes after a while?
No, I have not had that experience at all.
need to do more research on Hurrell's process.
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Thanks Joe.
c'est bien mais en meme temps c'est tres tres moyen comme photo, les panneaux leds, ne sont pas fait pour ça, ils n'arrivent pas a créer le modelé et le sculpté et surtout le velouté nécessaire pour faire ce genre d'image, c'est une approximation, sur le style, mais rien ne remplacer un mole richardson en fresnel de 10 pouces, et rien ne remplacera non plus un dedolight ou du godox avec lentille et surtout un nombre important de spot, pour bien créer du modelé en point par point ....
Sounds like you know your stuff. Thanks for watching!
wrong lights wrong lens. Close but no cigar. Using 150W halogen Fresnels will give you a much more authentic look but they are some what more challenging to use. Hotlights also render skin much more appealing. . The only modern lens that come close to the 300mm lens Hurrell used is The Nikon 105 f2.5 DFC. A lens with controllable spherical aberration. An LED with a Grid is not a spotlight.
Great points. The concept was to show lighting technique. Fresnels is another great thing to try. Thanks for watching!
@@TheSlantedLens Where can I send you an example of what it looks like?
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Marcin Wuu is doing it better. Much better. Check his work out.
too much tell, not enough show
giveaway US only. make it mexico only bro
France to please
Hi guys, look for an international giveaway coming soon.
Most bored model of the century. 🤪