I just can't get enough of Kira's candor and transparency. His real talk when it comes to payment metrics and experiences really show why he deserves to be successful on a platform of fake personalities.
This guy is a prime example of why most CEOs don't speak to the public unless they're regurgitating a carefully crafted PR memo. Just absolutely brainless behavior and I feel bad for his employees (though given his behavior, I wouldn't want to work for him anyway).
They tend to be sociopaths. They know how to schmooze people they want something from. They aren’t self aware enough to know how to really talk to people in the abstract
What amazes me about this: if they had simply pre-screened the entries, it’s every bit as douchey but not a soul would have known and everything that followed wouldn’t have happened. Just absolute idiots.
its ok if they said it out loud, "the best affiliates that made the most money for us will be elligible for the giveaway as a way to pay them back" but they just changed it midstream lmao
He could've just put the full requirements from the beginning. "Have at least 3k followers". He wanted the good vibes of 'anyone can get this' but wanted to only reward those who are 'worth it' to him. And apparently liked bashing people in front of an audience. When you realize all the ways he could've avoided this and the reasons why he went this route instead, it shows just how horrible he is.
@@TriforceChad that's not entirely true.. they would just have to disclose that that was the deal up front. Which I think wouldve been fair of them to say/do, if a little crappy because it would typically help the bigger creators instead of the smaller ones. But you could have a fighting chance by advertising them properly and driving traffic to them, instead of just putting their name in the corner of your screen. Idk, most giveaways are shady anyways IMO
@@martymcfly88mph35 as far as I understand in order for a giveaway to be considered a giveaway every person entered into it has to have equal weight, or at least the capacity for equal weight. Having criteria that some people can meet and some cannot is akin to consideration, and would make it a lottery, not a giveaway anymore. Sure, a giveaway can let people have multiple entries, but the criteria for multiple entries has to be something anyone participating could easily meet.
I've dealt with him 1-on-1 and he's pure elitism. I feel bad for the employees because the company was doing great things but their front man is a d-bag that wanted to be Linus. All Noah cares about is spreading his brand and his brand is a dumpster fire. -former channel mod -former business partner -former parts supplier
inauthentic. disingenuous . snaky . this man couldn't be Linus , Linus Sebastion unabashedly cares as much about his employees as family and regularly shows it in meaningful ways. This guy want you pump his social so he can make computers without doing any self marketing , just asks people to market for him in a pyramid marketing scheme . Every piece of growth is artificial and faked because someone did it for money, clout, a free pc . They were all paid off and had NDA in some form or fashion . maybe the people accepted gifts . its still payment for a service. Scumbag shitheel , hope he crashes his overpriced car into a pole . I hope he lives long , every day with the hands that built the pc's destroyed.
@@tobiwonkanogy2975 yeah that's the most striking difference between the two, this douche just wants to be Linus because he's loved and extremely successful. But he doesn't realize the reason Linus is so loved and successful is because of the care he has for his viewers and employees.
there where 8 more people after kia that got denied the computer on this one stream before they finally gave it to the 10th name drawn. and he belittled every single one of them.
@@jrbowler84 there are plenty of other videos highlighting that and everything else about this whole situation, this video is about Kira looking out for small streamers from his experience and warning them of the snares of these predatory companies. That can't be a bad thing.
i love how kiapiaa got props from huge streamer channels, lots of subscribers, piles of gifted subs, donations, etc. the internet sometimes does a good thing.
The most infuriating part is that despite committing something that's an actual crime in many jurisdictions live on video, I'm sure in his mind he did nothing wrong and he's an unfair victim of entitled yoof's mob cancel culture.
Sure I broke into this guy's house, wrecked the place, and stole all his valuables, but I've been completely transparent about it so I don't see why he's so upset.
Yea they totally broke USA law and the law for a lot of other countries. When it comes to sweepstakes/giveaways the stated criteria in the contest are a binding contract that both the host and the contestant agree to (this is why contests usually have a mile of terms and rules). And he totally fucking breached that contract.
@@Abigail-hu5wf Just finished looking at it. That one was equally as sleazy buy in a different way. The Hooters owner was extremely misleading about what his employees would win which in the eyes of the law equates to lying about the prize. I couldn't find anything more about him afterwards, but hes really lucky if he got away without the FTC hitting him with a fine and barring him from having contests again.
I like how Kira is just a chill nice guy. I've lost patience with an overwhelming majority of youtube. Glad I stumbled across one of the few good ones.
That small streamer who won the giveaway probably is getting the clout now, Artesian Builds. She gained like 20k+ followers because of the shit Artesian did. Now that's a lovely ending.
This guy DESERVES what happened to him and his company .. His employees didnt .. But then again knowing your boss speaks to people this way has to clue you in to the longevity of your job under him .
His line of thinking isn't different from any corporation. Intel, Radeon, Microsoft, Apple, Google, Amazon, etc. etc. etc. The problem is, he took "back room" talk, into the "front room". That's an absolute PR no-no. He was really feeling himself, lol. Oh well. You play stupid games...
@@michaelccozens well I'm gonna say that your assumption that you got completely wrong says the same about you, you probably go to Starbucks every morning. God can anybody say anything without someone acting like they actually know the OP?
I’m just confused about the incident that started the whole thing. If the purpose of affiliates it to generate clicks and you have an affiliate who has not once generated a click despite being an affiliate for months, then it seems eminently reasonable and not at all arbitrary to disqualify them from a contest for affiliates.
The lack of flexibility to pivot the conversation says all you need to know about the company. Do a drawing and every winner is a small steamer, perfect position to go on a campaign how you care about the little guy, and maybe even get them all together in a livestream later on to push the product even more. Some of the big guys win it and a few smaller streamers win it get them both together and increase your brand image even more. The only loss here is thinking you were giving away a product in the first place when what you were supposed to be doing was increasing your brand.
This whole case goes to show, but companies exist to make money, is poor logic for defending a company. Since here we have a company doing something to save some money and going by their logic, didn't make any money off this person. If what they said about no one clicked on the link is true. For companies often get so greedy, they make choices that just end up backfiring, for it might make money or in this case save money in the short term but in the long term burn everything to the ground. Which of course It is just lovely to see this company burn down to the ground, over their bad choices. It truly feels like justice, to see this wanna be Uruk-hai, get what is coming to their company. Along with it just feeling good to see a company being punished for being a massive ahole for once. Which I do love how everyone but this company just basically won here. I don't have enough popcorn for all of this. For I think basic common sense should of told the wanna be uruk-hai behind artesian, that you don't change the rules in middle of a contest or when it over. For rather sure that against the law, even if it not. That is underhanded and shady as can be, is just a negative pr hit waiting to happen.
What i don't get: They knew that the random winner might be someone very small. If that's a problem, filter out the bigger ones and use that group to draw a winner. I think there's the phrase that every publicity is good but I think even that shouldn't go as far as making people go like "I'd like to buy X, but not brand A because of their behaviour".
@@jochenkraus7016 I honestly think that he just didn't like how the streamer looked. If he doesn't normally have problems with small numbers of followers, then the only other information he was seeing at the time was their appearance or other similar attributes. But he used the small numbers of followers as a less shitty excuse to reject them.
They fucked themselves big time, Small time streamer wins Company announces small time streamer wins People who follow company you watch small time streamer Streamer numbers grow, streamer ever grateful to company for PC and will do ads no questions asked Viewers go to company for PC builds because of growing streamer numbers.
As a very teeny tiny pathetically small "content creator" thanks for pointing this out. I'm just happy getting free games to play :) and as I tell the devs "giving me the game does not buy my opinion on the game" As for physical goods? I don't know if I'd want to give out my address to these people..
I'm impressed at how shitty this company was. If I was commiting a crime, I'd try to appear as the most squeaky clean person ever. I'd be like, "Yeah, you with literally 1 viewer on twitch, you won this $2,500 gaming PC!". Instead, these shitheads cheated the little guy out of their commissions AND acted snobby and shit about E fame.
@@petthequeenofmaddness8592 That's debatable. I think in a case where the premise is "if your name is drawn, you'll get a PC" that wouldn't draw too much attention since those are the rules. If anyone said "what?! They gave a guy with 1 viewer a $2,500 PC?!" people would just respond with "...You do know what a raffle is, right?".
Glad you got around to cover this along with explaining how shitty these affiliate links can be. I used to stream years and years ago in like 2016 under a different alias, I peaked around a few hundred viewers at a time and used to have the worst affiliate deals. I got lucky my cousin knows a lot about laws so I'd always have her take a look at contracts in case there was skeezy shit in it. I think I took maybe like 5-10% of the overall deals and that was after I had to fight tooth and nail for deals that didn't dick me over. Thanks again for the video in any case, good shit as always.
Very informative video. I saw ItsaGundam's video about Artesian but you also including your own experiences is, I think, very valuable to helping you tell the story and get your point out to people that these companies do NOT have streamers' best interests in mind.
I've had success with some affiliates and it can be successful. I agree that most affiliates do not reward you as much as you should be awarded. As a rule of thumb we generally stick to formal sponsorships - makes life so much easier. Great video by the way. We need to stick up for what's right when companies change the rules of giveaways like this!
"Affiliate" stuff is usually akin to working in a call center on commission, unless you already happen to have a wide audience. Sticking to proper sponsorships is the best bet for most people 👍
"I agree that most affiliates do not reward you as much as you should be awarded." This is such an intentionally vague mess of words lmao, let us all try to be more honest here, no one is wasting time on a wash out and we know it. I know the concept of being hurtful through truth is hard nowadays because of the social police mobs but it's a lot better when you actually know where you are in reality rather than being given hopeful words designed to trick you into thinking they're meant for you when they're really not.
@@ThatBugBehindYou This video is proof that no one can be honest, or an army of soyboys will begin making videos and twitter callouts until youre out of business.
@@OrphanCrippler1 Right? They hang this admitedly stupid dude, but Everyone does the exact same thing. From the smallest creators to Intel. People doing it not for the money are a small minority. Did Jay2Cents get that Streamer the computer out of the goodness of his heart, or to get clicks and because he literally got the parts gifted to him from a manufacturer? Gettings free stuff for directing people to the seller is the deal. Otherwise everyone would get free PC's.
@@OrphanCrippler1 there’s a difference between being honest and committing blatant fraud in front of thousands of people and bullying a small streamer they sponsor for not being good enough for their PCs while saying in the same breath how great they are for giving out free pcs to “anyone”. In laments terms cunts the lot of them and karma’s a bitch.
Thank you so much for the transparency Kira, it's honestly fascinating what goes on behind the scenes and I'm sure it helps a lot of people not get taken advantage of themselves.
Yeah, funny thing about sponsorships, they actually care about their image and tend to be concerned when someone does something that could reflect badly on them for "supporting" that bad behavior with their sponsorship.
So they decide to make a giveaway event to help smaller streamers with rigs (obviously big streamers don't need it) and then they are shocked the winner is a small streamer? What kind of bipolar shit is this?
they do a classic scam scheme, "we are going to help the small streamers with pc giveaways, a big streamer joins the giveaways just for the lols and to help us to be more knowed in the comunity, oh look the big streamer won the pc what a concidence
It was never meant for the small streamers to begin with, just for the good PR of giving something away. They likely wanted a big streamer to win so they can give them the machine but still make money overall
Funny thing is, giving it to a smaller one would probably earn them lots of PR points, people likely to think well of a company helping the smaller people out and possibly could make a company go viral, the streamer would equally likely throw endless good words and thanks/praise to them, they missed a marketing opportunity and got what they deserve.
Absolutely amazing video Kira!! Honestly, it's a super under-covered subject and I'm sure there are HEAPS of folks out there on the 'almost sponsorship' level that this advice is very good for.
While I enjoy most of your videos I honestly gotta say that this was one of your best videos over the last few weeks. Not because other videos might be weak or so (no, I really really enjoy the information you provide) but the openness and the information you have shared with people This topic is such a big thing as a lot of people try to be able to live a dream like streaming or other kinds of content creation - and then they end up being hurt badly in so many ways - as you have described and as it has happened with A Builds lately. Thank you for that video! Please continue with your great content as long as you enjoy creating it - it is always a good 10-40 minutes in a regular manner that give a view of an area I am not active in myself. Thank you again!
Lots of good info about the sponsorships that I never knew about. In my day job, we always make sure to have "we will pay, not to exceed X" or "you pay us the greater of X or %" clause. Need to make sure there is a lower bound you get paid, or an upper bound that you pay out. And negotiate it back and forth so both parties are happy in either case.
Wow, that part about affiliates and scamming content creators was really eye-opening. I had the exact same impression you described, whereby it's normally seen as a positive milestone, but the degree to which they prey on content creators who don't know law is really upsetting. I could go for a whole video on that topic
It's always good when you see UA-camrs (content creators) fight for each other. I keeps the community strong and honest. By the way I noticed your channel is growing pretty fast. Congrats!! You deserve it. ✌❤🤘
Thanks for the great video. I am glad that thanks to Artesian, we now talk more about bad and exploitive business practices that try to take advantage of small content creators and their constant struggle to grow. Just as another thought: you see the PC builder in the artesian clips next to the wanna-be-ironman-dude? He asks "no subscribers?" in a way, that is absolutely clear that he knows what is going on and probably everyone else in this company knows what is going on. This is not an idiot CEO having a bad day, this exploitive practice is one that is deeply inhereted in the culture, practice and business models of these shitty companies. Their whole marketing strategy is build on taking advantage of others and I am thanksful that you pointed that out from your experience within the whole video. We need definately more awareness of that topic! Always remember, everyone: If you are creating content, you are a brand. The power of your brand is your own alone. You have the power to decide what to do with that brand alone. Don't let others tell you something else and take advantage of that.
This is bizarre, the conditions for a "winning" a PC are insane, as if they lay golden eggs that contain the cure for cancer. It's very "up themselves" about how awesome they think they are. Imagine too if you give away something awesome to a small streamer, publicly, it would be free positive publicity for all involved.
@@CabbageYe because they were the ones who organized and pre-screened the giveaway participants with an equal chance for 'small' streamers winning the PC... unless it was supposed to be rigged in which case hello lawsuit.
Not all heroes wear capes. I'm a bit late to the party but I just wanted to say good on you Ash for being you, and for the advice and willingness to help others the way you are. You rock! Big time, like a boulder in a field of pebbles.
This man speedran his company into the ground. I like that you're giving us details about the affiliates and pre-roll ads and how they work, the more people are educated the more folks can fight against this sort of thing. Also who be this Lawyer.. maybe one day I will need him for signing contracts lol. A contract lawyer and criminal lawyer are two very good things to have in this world. edit: LOL I dropped my things when you said "yes you are transparent in showing the world that you are a wanker" the kicks keep on coming. With youtube today tho would not be surprised if they censored this video for "bullying"
This was just disgusting, with this guy being the face of that company I'll honestly be completely avoiding them had never heard of them until this happened
I’m late to the game here and I’m just a casual YT watcher who had no clue about this stuff. The way you explained it and the reasons why, along with the perfectly placed insults (muuah!) says a lot about your integrity and that you’re truly looking out for others just starting out no matter the blowback. Everyone starts as a beginner and finding people who don’t view them as competitors and lead them astray, has become so rare. You def earned a like and subscribe. 😊
This is so upsetting to hear about. I actually recently launched a product business of my own with an affiliate marketing program. It’s just my wife and I that run it but we’ve poured our blood sweat and tears into starting it and spent a year of hard work getting it started. I completely recognize and acknowledge small creators are the backbone of it, and I absolutely want to be able to provide a sincere and lucrative opportunity to small creators and grow together. I super appreciate everyone we partner with and do NOT equate their following to their value as human beings. I see the potential in them and their awesome personality and think “wow, I’m so lucky to have found them before they got big” as if it’s inevitable. I just can’t comprehend how companies can prey on these people, that would just never be an idea that enters my brain.
"You're a twat" zoom in made me laugh way way too hard 🤣 And then the 'they're doing what is commonly referred to as 'FUCK ME''. Who says the English are always prim and proper 🤣 Joking aside its good to get this kind of information out so that other creators know the pitfalls of bad contracts and bad deals.
I gotta say, this is the most avoidable, drastic mistep ive seen in awhile. This was a GIVEAWAY, something the company didnt even need to do at all and they managed to completely ruin their company in the process. In todays always online and always politically correct world, information travels so fast, I cant believe how disconnected he was from the power of social media.
apparently this company had the brilliant idea of livestreaming every one of their custom pc builds. Surprise surprise they had to follow the most inane of social media metrics to support their business model.
in the past they also required consideration for giveaways, requiring a paid subscribtion to a service/newsletter to unlock the first entry is illegal, they do this often, so does VAST
The sponsor/partner points at the end really make me wish that I was allowed to start my own channel, unfortunately the company I work for could consider it conflict of interest and I would rather not lose out on continuing to work there.
Kira mate. Came across your videos a week ago and i have to say i love them. There are so many shenanigans online and it seems morals are becoming rarer by the day. Stay golden brother.
I wish those numbers were accurate haha. They are just social blades metrics which are a broad guess. I've made good money in 2021 but not close to that from ad rev and my expenses are also relatively high. Maybe in 2022!
Thank you Kira for an incredibly valuable video... it's imperative in this day & age that you _get someone else you trust to look over contracts or agreements you might be signing,_ even if it's just a switched-on/experienced friend or family member if a qualified lawyer isn't needed. It's natural to miss things when reading contracts or docs using marketing language or legal-ese (especially if you're excited about the opportunity), so a 2nd set of eyes can be a huge help in understanding what you're likely to get out of said agreement. Even if it's not as bad as the examples Kira gave, it can help you negotiate better terms & set yourself up to succeed.
God bless you my man !!!! you have my utmost respect. Never change bro. Everytime yur video comes out, i drop everything and i watch it. Love your videos man.
literally my first time ever clicking on a video from your channel and so glad i have. got a feeling im losing a few hours to your content today alone (possibly first time seeing your channle pop up in recommends. only click on yongyea vids few times a month and today it led me to you) My point - Awesome video and really enjoyed what i believe is transperency and talking to your audience as people rather than sheeple. i loved your take on the topic, died laughing when you called out yourself saying license DISPENDED at 12:29 looking forward to whatever else i find down the rabbit hole of your content today and beyond. Hell you may even be a rare creator that actually sees comments longer than 140 characters and may appreciate this! Keep it up great work i needed the laughs
REALLLLLLY HOPING that this video isnt the outlier and 3 hours from now im back editing or deleting my post after finding out the normal content on this channel is heinous acts of porcine plundering or foul depravity against depraved fowl
Hands down one of the best and most useful videos I've seen in a while. Also to people who get pissed at channels that have paid sponsors...grow up. You're not the ones with bills to pay. I say take the sponsors money regardless of views on things. i.e, I detest mobile gaming, i'd still take Raid's money cos until people stop buying it and make it go away, channels should milk those sponsors for all they can
I gotta say, that statement by Mizkif was garbage. He got a totally garbage/shoddy computer but had no problem continuing to shill it out to his audience for the income. Couldn't talk about it because of "legalities?" BS. You could have cancelled the sponsorship when you knew you were recommending bad products to your audience. There's a lot of pre-built PC companies out there.
I have yet to find a university in the USA that makes Business School students take mandatory ethics classes. As a biologist I had to take a 300 & 400 level ethics class as an undergrad. also the biz half of my family are like this ceo. Also spent some time working for a tech recycling company in the NE called Castaway Technologies with racist Ceo Cameron Deery. If you are a tech company in Mass, do not choose his company, he's also quite bad at his job, like telling a racist joke during a mandatory company meeting.
They made a streamer's career, and destroyed their business. Incredible.
A life for a life I guess
@@ekki1993 thanos simp
I just can't get enough of Kira's candor and transparency. His real talk when it comes to payment metrics and experiences really show why he deserves to be successful on a platform of fake personalities.
He's a good guy; genuine and trustworthy, which stands out like a fucking Silmaril in the dark in this day and age. Scammers everywhere.
This guy is a prime example of why most CEOs don't speak to the public unless they're regurgitating a carefully crafted PR memo. Just absolutely brainless behavior and I feel bad for his employees (though given his behavior, I wouldn't want to work for him anyway).
He was to cheap to hire someone
The PR team didn’t have enough twitch followers.
wtf he's the owner?
They tend to be sociopaths.
They know how to schmooze people they want something from.
They aren’t self aware enough to know how to really talk to people in the abstract
He’s a prime example of why people with 3 letter titles are irrelevant.
What amazes me about this: if they had simply pre-screened the entries, it’s every bit as douchey but not a soul would have known and everything that followed wouldn’t have happened. Just absolute idiots.
@@Greylobster not for a giveaway, no. Every person has to have equal chance to be chosen to legally be a giveaway
its ok if they said it out loud, "the best affiliates that made the most money for us will be elligible for the giveaway as a way to pay them back" but they just changed it midstream lmao
He could've just put the full requirements from the beginning. "Have at least 3k followers".
He wanted the good vibes of 'anyone can get this' but wanted to only reward those who are 'worth it' to him.
And apparently liked bashing people in front of an audience.
When you realize all the ways he could've avoided this and the reasons why he went this route instead, it shows just how horrible he is.
@@TriforceChad that's not entirely true.. they would just have to disclose that that was the deal up front. Which I think wouldve been fair of them to say/do, if a little crappy because it would typically help the bigger creators instead of the smaller ones. But you could have a fighting chance by advertising them properly and driving traffic to them, instead of just putting their name in the corner of your screen. Idk, most giveaways are shady anyways IMO
@@martymcfly88mph35 as far as I understand in order for a giveaway to be considered a giveaway every person entered into it has to have equal weight, or at least the capacity for equal weight.
Having criteria that some people can meet and some cannot is akin to consideration, and would make it a lottery, not a giveaway anymore. Sure, a giveaway can let people have multiple entries, but the criteria for multiple entries has to be something anyone participating could easily meet.
I've dealt with him 1-on-1 and he's pure elitism. I feel bad for the employees because the company was doing great things but their front man is a d-bag that wanted to be Linus.
All Noah cares about is spreading his brand and his brand is a dumpster fire.
-former channel mod
-former business partner
-former parts supplier
When he did that really quick point I thought "this guy copying Linus"?... nah it's just a point. Now I'm triple guessing.
@@ForExampleJon according to Linus' WAN-show Noah had tried to get them to work with him multiple times.
And in the most creeptastic manner...
To Kristopher Yee on stream "I'll pay you to get me in a room with Linus..."
inauthentic. disingenuous . snaky . this man couldn't be Linus , Linus Sebastion unabashedly cares as much about his employees as family and regularly shows it in meaningful ways. This guy want you pump his social so he can make computers without doing any self marketing , just asks people to market for him in a pyramid marketing scheme . Every piece of growth is artificial and faked because someone did it for money, clout, a free pc . They were all paid off and had NDA in some form or fashion . maybe the people accepted gifts . its still payment for a service. Scumbag shitheel , hope he crashes his overpriced car into a pole . I hope he lives long , every day with the hands that built the pc's destroyed.
@@tobiwonkanogy2975 yeah that's the most striking difference between the two, this douche just wants to be Linus because he's loved and extremely successful. But he doesn't realize the reason Linus is so loved and successful is because of the care he has for his viewers and employees.
there where 8 more people after kia that got denied the computer on this one stream before they finally gave it to the 10th name drawn. and he belittled every single one of them.
Like what is the point of a random draw if they will just pick and choose anyway?
@@fluidwolf fr, they should've just took the L, and come with better requirement next time.
Neat. It would’ve been cool if this video had included that information, instead of being an intro course to UA-cam affiliate economics and ethics.
@@jrbowler84 there are plenty of other videos highlighting that and everything else about this whole situation, this video is about Kira looking out for small streamers from his experience and warning them of the snares of these predatory companies. That can't be a bad thing.
@@fernus83 Nah, it’s certainly not a bad thing. Just seems like relevant information in the story being covered
At least in the UK this kind of messing around with competitions is highly illegal.
It's supposed to be illegal here as well.
Oh, it's illegal here in the states, it's just a matter of the relevant gaming authorities getting notified.
@@HuginMunin this
Very much illegal in the us.
Yeah, this makes Blue Peter look like the national lottery
Your video saved thousands of creators from these scammers. Thanks for sharing your story!
"Not legal advice, not a legal advisor" gold
that had me rolling
@Jimbo Bimbo Ah, thx. Was wondering what that pic was...
i love how kiapiaa got props from huge streamer channels, lots of subscribers, piles of gifted subs, donations, etc. the internet sometimes does a good thing.
She blew tf up after this. She's now Partnered on Twitch and verified on Twitter
The most infuriating part is that despite committing something that's an actual crime in many jurisdictions live on video, I'm sure in his mind he did nothing wrong and he's an unfair victim of entitled yoof's mob cancel culture.
Sure I broke into this guy's house, wrecked the place, and stole all his valuables, but I've been completely transparent about it so I don't see why he's so upset.
@@fedos But what did he mean by this
@@fedos "Yes, I also lied about doing all that, but I don't see how that means I wasn't "transparent" about it".
This is the mindset of most scammers/criminals. It's very Nixonian; "I did it, but I just assume I'm a good person, so anything I do can't be bad".
Every platform needs more creators like you, Ash. Thank you for always being real.
Just doing my part dude!
Yea they totally broke USA law and the law for a lot of other countries.
When it comes to sweepstakes/giveaways the stated criteria in the contest are a binding contract that both the host and the contestant agree to (this is why contests usually have a mile of terms and rules).
And he totally fucking breached that contract.
See the "Toy Yoda/Toyota" case.
@@Abigail-hu5wf Just finished looking at it. That one was equally as sleazy buy in a different way. The Hooters owner was extremely misleading about what his employees would win which in the eyes of the law equates to lying about the prize.
I couldn't find anything more about him afterwards, but hes really lucky if he got away without the FTC hitting him with a fine and barring him from having contests again.
I like how Kira is just a chill nice guy. I've lost patience with an overwhelming majority of youtube. Glad I stumbled across one of the few good ones.
That small streamer who won the giveaway probably is getting the clout now, Artesian Builds. She gained like 20k+ followers because of the shit Artesian did. Now that's a lovely ending.
it's 30k now
people are so dumb. she got viewers cause she got scammed? truly a clown world.
Karma
He just Thanos snapped himself out of business.
Quite funny considering he wore a Starlord jacket.
@@ChryI shit, you beat me to it lmao
Thanos had the kindness to leave half …
As someone who did law at university, watching people fall short of very strict english contract law is always juicy.
Their newest twitter message: "At this point we are examining a potential employee-led buy-out of the company. Thank you for your support."
:)
Based
@@warmetalpacifist So original.
And now went bust xDDDD
This guy DESERVES what happened to him and his company .. His employees didnt .. But then again knowing your boss speaks to people this way has to clue you in to the longevity of your job under him .
His line of thinking isn't different from any corporation. Intel, Radeon, Microsoft, Apple, Google, Amazon, etc. etc. etc. The problem is, he took "back room" talk, into the "front room". That's an absolute PR no-no. He was really feeling himself, lol. Oh well. You play stupid games...
Yeah, I'm gonna say that your "everyone's a criminal" assumption says a lot more about you than about anything else.
@@michaelccozens If that's what you take from it, good for you. 🤷🏿♂️
@@michaelccozens well I'm gonna say that your assumption that you got completely wrong says the same about you, you probably go to Starbucks every morning. God can anybody say anything without someone acting like they actually know the OP?
I’m just confused about the incident that started the whole thing. If the purpose of affiliates it to generate clicks and you have an affiliate who has not once generated a click despite being an affiliate for months, then it seems eminently reasonable and not at all arbitrary to disqualify them from a contest for affiliates.
@@michaelccozens And communism is a religion of peace 👌🏻
Big ups to you Kira for helping out content creators who might not have the same access to resources. Really great stuff man.
Just doing my part, I'd appreciate that in return so it makes sense to put that energy out there
The lack of flexibility to pivot the conversation says all you need to know about the company. Do a drawing and every winner is a small steamer, perfect position to go on a campaign how you care about the little guy, and maybe even get them all together in a livestream later on to push the product even more. Some of the big guys win it and a few smaller streamers win it get them both together and increase your brand image even more. The only loss here is thinking you were giving away a product in the first place when what you were supposed to be doing was increasing your brand.
imagine killing your company because a streamer that won your giveaway doesn't have enough clout for you
This whole case goes to show, but companies exist to make money, is poor logic for defending a company. Since here we have a company doing something to save some money and going by their logic, didn't make any money off this person. If what they said about no one clicked on the link is true. For companies often get so greedy, they make choices that just end up backfiring, for it might make money or in this case save money in the short term but in the long term burn everything to the ground.
Which of course It is just lovely to see this company burn down to the ground, over their bad choices. It truly feels like justice, to see this wanna be Uruk-hai, get what is coming to their company. Along with it just feeling good to see a company being punished for being a massive ahole for once. Which I do love how everyone but this company just basically won here. I don't have enough popcorn for all of this. For I think basic common sense should of told the wanna be uruk-hai behind artesian, that you don't change the rules in middle of a contest or when it over. For rather sure that against the law, even if it not. That is underhanded and shady as can be, is just a negative pr hit waiting to happen.
What i don't get: They knew that the random winner might be someone very small. If that's a problem, filter out the bigger ones and use that group to draw a winner.
I think there's the phrase that every publicity is good but I think even that shouldn't go as far as making people go like "I'd like to buy X, but not brand A because of their behaviour".
@@jochenkraus7016 I honestly think that he just didn't like how the streamer looked. If he doesn't normally have problems with small numbers of followers, then the only other information he was seeing at the time was their appearance or other similar attributes. But he used the small numbers of followers as a less shitty excuse to reject them.
They fucked themselves big time,
Small time streamer wins
Company announces small time streamer wins
People who follow company you watch small time streamer
Streamer numbers grow, streamer ever grateful to company for PC and will do ads no questions asked
Viewers go to company for PC builds because of growing streamer numbers.
A lot of companies do this, but these guys were dumb enough to expose themselves.
As a very teeny tiny pathetically small "content creator" thanks for pointing this out.
I'm just happy getting free games to play :) and as I tell the devs "giving me the game does not buy my opinion on the game"
As for physical goods? I don't know if I'd want to give out my address to these people..
P.O. box, and always open it there or in parking lot to check for trackers.
Wow , Kira is really throwing some haymakers here . I don't think I've ever heard him curse so much . Lovin' it .
I'm impressed at how shitty this company was. If I was commiting a crime, I'd try to appear as the most squeaky clean person ever. I'd be like, "Yeah, you with literally 1 viewer on twitch, you won this $2,500 gaming PC!". Instead, these shitheads cheated the little guy out of their commissions AND acted snobby and shit about E fame.
That's how you get more attention you do stuff for any one and every one will think they have a higher chance at winning.
@@petthequeenofmaddness8592 That's debatable. I think in a case where the premise is "if your name is drawn, you'll get a PC" that wouldn't draw too much attention since those are the rules.
If anyone said "what?! They gave a guy with 1 viewer a $2,500 PC?!" people would just respond with "...You do know what a raffle is, right?".
Its not the employees or mainly the company its noah hate and dislike noah just not the emoplyees.
The camera was literally filming him-my brain was like-you know people can see and hear you
The sheer amount of free PR they could've had, not to mention consumer goodwill... What a fuckup.
I was curious when you'd cover this one Kira. 🔥
I appreciate that you made an original take on the drama and didn't just retell the events. Top notch.
Glad you got around to cover this along with explaining how shitty these affiliate links can be. I used to stream years and years ago in like 2016 under a different alias, I peaked around a few hundred viewers at a time and used to have the worst affiliate deals. I got lucky my cousin knows a lot about laws so I'd always have her take a look at contracts in case there was skeezy shit in it. I think I took maybe like 5-10% of the overall deals and that was after I had to fight tooth and nail for deals that didn't dick me over. Thanks again for the video in any case, good shit as always.
Glad you had the help man, it's really a minefield out there for creators that don't.
The U.S. actually takes sweepstakes seriously and regulates it unlike NFTs and crypto right now.
Very informative video. I saw ItsaGundam's video about Artesian but you also including your own experiences is, I think, very valuable to helping you tell the story and get your point out to people that these companies do NOT have streamers' best interests in mind.
I've had success with some affiliates and it can be successful. I agree that most affiliates do not reward you as much as you should be awarded. As a rule of thumb we generally stick to formal sponsorships - makes life so much easier. Great video by the way. We need to stick up for what's right when companies change the rules of giveaways like this!
"Affiliate" stuff is usually akin to working in a call center on commission, unless you already happen to have a wide audience. Sticking to proper sponsorships is the best bet for most people 👍
"I agree that most affiliates do not reward you as much as you should be awarded."
This is such an intentionally vague mess of words lmao, let us all try to be more honest here, no one is wasting time on a wash out and we know it. I know the concept of being hurtful through truth is hard nowadays because of the social police mobs but it's a lot better when you actually know where you are in reality rather than being given hopeful words designed to trick you into thinking they're meant for you when they're really not.
@@ThatBugBehindYou This video is proof that no one can be honest, or an army of soyboys will begin making videos and twitter callouts until youre out of business.
@@OrphanCrippler1 Right? They hang this admitedly stupid dude, but Everyone does the exact same thing. From the smallest creators to Intel. People doing it not for the money are a small minority.
Did Jay2Cents get that Streamer the computer out of the goodness of his heart, or to get clicks and because he literally got the parts gifted to him from a manufacturer?
Gettings free stuff for directing people to the seller is the deal. Otherwise everyone would get free PC's.
@@OrphanCrippler1 there’s a difference between being honest and committing blatant fraud in front of thousands of people and bullying a small streamer they sponsor for not being good enough for their PCs while saying in the same breath how great they are for giving out free pcs to “anyone”. In laments terms cunts the lot of them and karma’s a bitch.
Now THIS is what i call "transparency". Thumbs up.
I love the candid nature of this video and the general way you articulate yourself. Informative, fun, and lovely video.
One of my favorite streamers used this company. Sold $31K for them, earned like $130 from that all.
Thank you so much for the transparency Kira, it's honestly fascinating what goes on behind the scenes and I'm sure it helps a lot of people not get taken advantage of themselves.
Yeah, funny thing about sponsorships, they actually care about their image and tend to be concerned when someone does something that could reflect badly on them for "supporting" that bad behavior with their sponsorship.
thank you for the look under the sponsorship hood. I think it is important to get the word out. there are so many small creators
So they decide to make a giveaway event to help smaller streamers with rigs (obviously big streamers don't need it) and then they are shocked the winner is a small streamer?
What kind of bipolar shit is this?
they do a classic scam scheme, "we are going to help the small streamers with pc giveaways, a big streamer joins the giveaways just for the lols and to help us to be more knowed in the comunity, oh look the big streamer won the pc what a concidence
It was never meant for the small streamers to begin with, just for the good PR of giving something away. They likely wanted a big streamer to win so they can give them the machine but still make money overall
at one point dude looked at a streamer, saw their rig on their stream and dude went "your pc is already a beast you dont need ours" and rerolled
Funny thing is, giving it to a smaller one would probably earn them lots of PR points, people likely to think well of a company helping the smaller people out and possibly could make a company go viral, the streamer would equally likely throw endless good words and thanks/praise to them, they missed a marketing opportunity and got what they deserve.
it is the same as fake giveaways, they want to clout of giving something away for free but the fact is that they are doing it for publicity.
Absolutely amazing video Kira!!
Honestly, it's a super under-covered subject and I'm sure there are HEAPS of folks out there on the 'almost sponsorship' level that this advice is very good for.
While I enjoy most of your videos I honestly gotta say that this was one of your best videos over the last few weeks.
Not because other videos might be weak or so (no, I really really enjoy the information you provide) but the openness and the information you have shared with people
This topic is such a big thing as a lot of people try to be able to live a dream like streaming or other kinds of content creation - and then they end up being hurt badly in so many ways - as you have described and as it has happened with A Builds lately.
Thank you for that video! Please continue with your great content as long as you enjoy creating it - it is always a good 10-40 minutes in a regular manner that give a view of an area I am not active in myself.
Thank you again!
You've just restored my faith a bit in humanity. There are still good people out there.
You’ve given me a whole new perspective on how difficult it is to establish yourself as a UA-camr and a greater respect for UA-camrs as a whole.
It's so good to hear you offering help to other creators, Kira. You're an actual keyboard warrior. Good shit.
Lots of good info about the sponsorships that I never knew about.
In my day job, we always make sure to have "we will pay, not to exceed X" or "you pay us the greater of X or %" clause. Need to make sure there is a lower bound you get paid, or an upper bound that you pay out. And negotiate it back and forth so both parties are happy in either case.
They tweeted that they're examining an employee-led buyout. Chef's kiss karma right there.
Only thing better would be if his PC at home was actually from work and was thus a company asset to be repossessed.
how can an employee buy a company that doesn't even exist though, it's literally suspended for tax fraud lol
@@theaveragepro1749 Don't know. Maybe they meant they're liquidating timeout assets.
Really appreciate the fact that you are looking out for others with those kinds of videos. Top work, dude.
Kira, thanks for being an absolute stand up man. You get what you see, and I respect that
No popcorn to hand for this. I’ll be posh and have Maltesers.
Mmm
Wow, that part about affiliates and scamming content creators was really eye-opening. I had the exact same impression you described, whereby it's normally seen as a positive milestone, but the degree to which they prey on content creators who don't know law is really upsetting. I could go for a whole video on that topic
Thank you so much for your honesty and transparency. I've always wondered how the paid advertising works on the platform. Keep up the good work!
I love how you went above and beyond by offering content creators to help with these shiity deals. You're such a good person
Always glad to help boost stories like this, I hope this message reaches enough new creators to make a difference
And all he had to do instead was use the time to promote her channel, indirectly creating more sales... what a chop!
It's always good when you see UA-camrs (content creators) fight for each other. I keeps the community strong and honest. By the way I noticed your channel is growing pretty fast. Congrats!! You deserve it. ✌❤🤘
On the plus side, the streamer was given a new pc built by JayTwocents
I thought the video would mainly focus on the CEO. But the discussion of sponsors was what I ended up enjoying the most. Thank you.
The timing on that cut to you questioning how you said Dispended had me crying!
Corporate greed is so gross. Thank you for spreading the word so other small creators don't get taken advantage of
All the info and research you do is always helpful. It's good to see there's still someone out there trying to keep others safe
"F**keth around and findeth out." That's freaking great. That one cracked me up.👍
u da man, Kira.
keep doing what ur doing to help others, sir. 🙏
_"Life is pain, highness. Anyone who says differently is selling something.”_
Thanks for the great video. I am glad that thanks to Artesian, we now talk more about bad and exploitive business practices that try to take advantage of small content creators and their constant struggle to grow.
Just as another thought: you see the PC builder in the artesian clips next to the wanna-be-ironman-dude? He asks "no subscribers?" in a way, that is absolutely clear that he knows what is going on and probably everyone else in this company knows what is going on. This is not an idiot CEO having a bad day, this exploitive practice is one that is deeply inhereted in the culture, practice and business models of these shitty companies. Their whole marketing strategy is build on taking advantage of others and I am thanksful that you pointed that out from your experience within the whole video. We need definately more awareness of that topic!
Always remember, everyone: If you are creating content, you are a brand. The power of your brand is your own alone. You have the power to decide what to do with that brand alone. Don't let others tell you something else and take advantage of that.
This is bizarre, the conditions for a "winning" a PC are insane, as if they lay golden eggs that contain the cure for cancer. It's very "up themselves" about how awesome they think they are. Imagine too if you give away something awesome to a small streamer, publicly, it would be free positive publicity for all involved.
How is it free if the PC costs thousands of dollars and giving it away to somebody with 5 viewers would most likely not be worth it.
@@CabbageYe because they were the ones who organized and pre-screened the giveaway participants with an equal chance for 'small' streamers winning the PC... unless it was supposed to be rigged in which case hello lawsuit.
@@CabbageYe then it's not a giveaway. It's an investment.
"fucketh around and findeth out"
well said, good sir, well said 👌
ahhh yes this story, I am glad Kira got this one !
Some really good info that brought to light a few things I hadn't even considered. Great vid Kira!
Wrecking your own company Speedrun [Any%]
Thank you for sharing this information, hopefully it helps save someone getting screwed
If I was a content creator I would be very happy to have you share your experience with such scammy practices.
Not all heroes wear capes. I'm a bit late to the party but I just wanted to say good on you Ash for being you, and for the advice and willingness to help others the way you are. You rock! Big time, like a boulder in a field of pebbles.
This man speedran his company into the ground.
I like that you're giving us details about the affiliates and pre-roll ads and how they work, the more people are educated the more folks can fight against this sort of thing.
Also who be this Lawyer.. maybe one day I will need him for signing contracts lol. A contract lawyer and criminal lawyer are two very good things to have in this world.
edit: LOL I dropped my things when you said "yes you are transparent in showing the world that you are a wanker" the kicks keep on coming.
With youtube today tho would not be surprised if they censored this video for "bullying"
I've watched dozens of videos on this topic and hearing it will never get old
This was just disgusting, with this guy being the face of that company I'll honestly be completely avoiding them had never heard of them until this happened
I’m late to the game here and I’m just a casual YT watcher who had no clue about this stuff. The way you explained it and the reasons why, along with the perfectly placed insults (muuah!) says a lot about your integrity and that you’re truly looking out for others just starting out no matter the blowback. Everyone starts as a beginner and finding people who don’t view them as competitors and lead them astray, has become so rare.
You def earned a like and subscribe. 😊
It's always good when people like this shine the spotlight on themselves, it saves other having to dig them out.
At 10:45 is the starting point for what would be one of the coolest things to ever hear. A true wordsmith indeed.
This is so upsetting to hear about. I actually recently launched a product business of my own with an affiliate marketing program. It’s just my wife and I that run it but we’ve poured our blood sweat and tears into starting it and spent a year of hard work getting it started. I completely recognize and acknowledge small creators are the backbone of it, and I absolutely want to be able to provide a sincere and lucrative opportunity to small creators and grow together. I super appreciate everyone we partner with and do NOT equate their following to their value as human beings. I see the potential in them and their awesome personality and think “wow, I’m so lucky to have found them before they got big” as if it’s inevitable. I just can’t comprehend how companies can prey on these people, that would just never be an idea that enters my brain.
A very kind offer from your side to give advice regarding affiliates and stuff. Very nice. :)
"You're a twat" zoom in made me laugh way way too hard 🤣
And then the 'they're doing what is commonly referred to as 'FUCK ME''. Who says the English are always prim and proper 🤣
Joking aside its good to get this kind of information out so that other creators know the pitfalls of bad contracts and bad deals.
12:55 Absolute amazing quote! 😂 I will remember that one!
I gotta say, this is the most avoidable, drastic mistep ive seen in awhile. This was a GIVEAWAY, something the company didnt even need to do at all and they managed to completely ruin their company in the process. In todays always online and always politically correct world, information travels so fast, I cant believe how disconnected he was from the power of social media.
apparently this company had the brilliant idea of livestreaming every one of their custom pc builds. Surprise surprise they had to follow the most inane of social media metrics to support their business model.
Idk what political correctness has to do here.
in the past they also required consideration for giveaways, requiring a paid subscribtion to a service/newsletter to unlock the first entry is illegal, they do this often, so does VAST
The narcissism is strong in that one
Love your honesty and no BS attitude.
And to think I almost bought a computer from them back in January...
" Like a S tier dickhead " AWESOME DDO reference! Didn't know you ever played it Kir!!!
The sponsor/partner points at the end really make me wish that I was allowed to start my own channel, unfortunately the company I work for could consider it conflict of interest and I would rather not lose out on continuing to work there.
Rip man that sucks... maybe in the future?
Kira mate. Came across your videos a week ago and i have to say i love them. There are so many shenanigans online and it seems morals are becoming rarer by the day. Stay golden brother.
Up to 145k a year? Nice, man, glad to see you doing well
I wish those numbers were accurate haha. They are just social blades metrics which are a broad guess. I've made good money in 2021 but not close to that from ad rev and my expenses are also relatively high. Maybe in 2022!
Thank you Kira for an incredibly valuable video... it's imperative in this day & age that you _get someone else you trust to look over contracts or agreements you might be signing,_ even if it's just a switched-on/experienced friend or family member if a qualified lawyer isn't needed.
It's natural to miss things when reading contracts or docs using marketing language or legal-ese (especially if you're excited about the opportunity), so a 2nd set of eyes can be a huge help in understanding what you're likely to get out of said agreement. Even if it's not as bad as the examples Kira gave, it can help you negotiate better terms & set yourself up to succeed.
God bless you my man !!!! you have my utmost respect. Never change bro. Everytime yur video comes out, i drop everything and i watch it. Love your videos man.
Awesome to hear you're enjoying them dude!
literally my first time ever clicking on a video from your channel and so glad i have. got a feeling im losing a few hours to your content today alone (possibly first time seeing your channle pop up in recommends. only click on yongyea vids few times a month and today it led me to you)
My point - Awesome video and really enjoyed what i believe is transperency and talking to your audience as people rather than sheeple. i loved your take on the topic, died laughing when you called out yourself saying license DISPENDED at 12:29
looking forward to whatever else i find down the rabbit hole of your content today and beyond. Hell you may even be a rare creator that actually sees comments longer than 140 characters and may appreciate this! Keep it up great work i needed the laughs
REALLLLLLY HOPING that this video isnt the outlier and 3 hours from now im back editing or deleting my post after finding out the normal content on this channel is heinous acts of porcine plundering or foul depravity against depraved fowl
Let me know how it goes
Hands down one of the best and most useful videos I've seen in a while. Also to people who get pissed at channels that have paid sponsors...grow up. You're not the ones with bills to pay. I say take the sponsors money regardless of views on things. i.e, I detest mobile gaming, i'd still take Raid's money cos until people stop buying it and make it go away, channels should milk those sponsors for all they can
Or have fun with the ads like Internet Historian
"Fucketh around and findeth out" is my new favorite thing to come out of this channel.
I gotta say, that statement by Mizkif was garbage. He got a totally garbage/shoddy computer but had no problem continuing to shill it out to his audience for the income. Couldn't talk about it because of "legalities?" BS. You could have cancelled the sponsorship when you knew you were recommending bad products to your audience. There's a lot of pre-built PC companies out there.
Saw this story on Hoeg Law a few days ago, but great to hear your perspective!
I have yet to find a university in the USA that makes Business School students take mandatory ethics classes.
As a biologist I had to take a 300 & 400 level ethics class as an undergrad.
also the biz half of my family are like this ceo.
Also spent some time working for a tech recycling company in the NE called Castaway Technologies with racist Ceo Cameron Deery. If you are a tech company in Mass, do not choose his company, he's also quite bad at his job, like telling a racist joke during a mandatory company meeting.
I love Kira's subtle jabs one after the next, lol. top notch! :D
i though this was Karl Jobst video.