These effs have screwed every homeless person ever😢 so many r never gonna give a less fortunate actual good human being, a seconds glance, just remember these pieces of dog shat…good job folks😢
@@Cybo-Man That's not the argument Markus was making. We know he's in on it. But we also know he was homeless. He had nothing to lose and really knew it was a scam after it was already underway. So it was going to go on with or without him. If it was an opportunity to get off the streets and actually have a place to live again and know I'll have food everyday, I'm not sure I'd have made a different call. Now since drugs *did* get him there in the first place, I'm not sure how long that "happy ending" would have stayed in place since I don't recall if he actually beat the addiction or not
@@Mon937Honestly let's say it was just a white lie to help a homeless veteran, and the intention was to actually help. It wouldn't be that hard to get him a rental apartment for a year, a car, and a small monthly living budget over that year. Then put the rest of the money in a trust that would pay for rehab/medical expenses, and only allow him free access to the money after a year of sobriety with regular drug test. What makes trust so powerful is they are a very customizable financial asset when set up right.
@@Cybo-ManDon't care. He was never in a position of power. He was a desperate man in a desperate situation he should never have been in if society was a better place. The other two are scum, and the fact that the only thing separating him from eternal poverty was if or not he had committed a single kind gesture that was reported is more of an indictment on us than it could ever be on him.
Glad these two scamming idiots didn't get away with it. They're disgusting. I feel so bad for Johnny and I'm glad the community came after these evil people.
They kinda did, 3 and 5 years compared to all those travels is actually less than most people. For 300k, some people would work the same or more time and still be afraid of falling ill one day then going into debt over hospital bills. "White collar crime", aka rich people stealing, is like a slap on the wrist. If the duo were punished so would billionaires, so they paid the equivalent of a fine.
They really gave up like 300k for like 30k worth of an RV and truck? Even splitting 50/50 with the guy was plenty of money. It's hard to believe how greedy people will get over just a fraction of what they are getting. Legit just work with the guy. He was happy with the fraction he was getting. The RV was fine, just get him the truck that was promised. Give him a little bit more and if anyone questioned where you were getting the nice things, just have the homeless guy say it was a gift for all their help. Take a few pictures with him at the dealership, at the mall, etc etc. it was so simple and so easy. The stage was set. And they fumbled.
@@bernhardlabus8511 I forgot about that. Truly saw him as nothing but a homeless person. Some lowly homeless person who didn't deserve money *they* made. What a joke.
Yeah, when I first heard of this I was thinking the same thing. Just take what you owe, seeing as you have jobs, a house, and stability, then give the rest. 10k of 400k can be made to look like taxes or something if they put in a little effort
They could've taken half and still have easily gotten away with it. Thank god for human greed and stupidity though as it was the cause of their downfall. Just another reason I hate humanity, we're capable of such greatness but instead greed and selfishness always take the wheel
The sort of sociopaths that scam a homeless man won't settle for less than infinite wealth. They could *have paid their bills and followed through with the post. But they thought of it as *their* money, sickening.
It sounds like the homeless man got exploited by the couple from the start, that he was in vulnerable position, that he didn't mean to defraud but was dragged to it, still got left to fend for himself and then was honest when people came asking him questions. I think he should have not been punished at all. As far as I know, it sounds like he was as much a victim of the couple as the people who donated to the fundraiser and what little he benefited from it, was negligible.
The guy didn't have much of a choice. It was either a chance at turning his life around, or to keep sitting on the sidewalk, hoping for the generosity of random strangers. It is bewildering to me that throwing a 25k debt on top of a homeless guy is considered justice.
I've been homeless. I've also been conned before too, by the foster care system that made me homeless when I aged out. I would have done anything for a roof over my head and a hot meal if I fully believed the lies told to me at the time. Foster care is path to prison. I avoided that path, but it wasn't easy. I don't fault the homeless man one bit.
I know that there are those genuinely in need of financial assistance and simply have no other options, but at the same time I am convinced that the vast majority of crowdfunding ventures are complete bulls**t.
If you want to help homeless person, might as well look at athlete dorm. They're pretty much living like homeless haha. The worst i've lived was a ex-locker room/corridor makeshift into dorm for 12 people.
6 years ago my 4 month old daughter passed away. I was 27 and did not have the nearly 15k her funeral cost us, along with time off work and therapy. My wifes best friends started a gofundme and we were incredibly fortunate to have had everything paid for and a bit more. We didn't have to cheap out on a headstone for our daughter and didn't have to stress about what we were going to do. It was amazing and the reason I always donate to gofundmes for similar things. I don't for a second believe that the "vast majority" are complete bullshit. I do think its tacky to start your own but ya.
@@emorrow6441 Sadly, there's always going to be coverage of when these good intentions are actually just to line a villain's pockets over when they genuinely help people. I didn't even know The Completionist ran a charity fund for dementia until it turned out to be a scam.
Damn...to think all three of them could have profited off a lie so easily, and they could have turned their lives around, but greed got in the way. Such a shame.
Wait the homeless guy came off this with a 25.000$ fine? And 3 years probation? Great. Now he’s a homeless guy who can’t even think about building a life because the first 25k he manages to get together will be taken by the state, what are the odds of a guy like that breaking his probation by being picked up by the cops for using drugs? Justice is truly served here. Like, come on, he was god damn homeless, of course he was going along with their charade. Have some god damn humanity, the whole conspiracy was cooked up without his knowledge he just played along because he was desperate.
i hope he was at least able to get himself into a better enough living situation beforehand to withstand it definitely a case of "justice is blind" not bein' some'n' to brag about
Wow! They literally could have have given the money to Bobbit and then asked him for help with their $10,000 debts... and he probably would have accepted. If they had even the smallest amount of human decency, they could have got away with it.
As an activist with Food Not Bombs who works with and helps provide meals and support services for the unhoused here in Orlando on an absolutely shoestring budget, it is maddening to see campaigns like this blow up so big. With a 400k budget, we could pretty readily get 20-30 people off the street and into real, supportive housing where they could rebuild their lives. Allowing people to go unhoused is decision that society and policymakers have made. We need to change our attitudes towards this and realize that it's always going to be better (as well as less expensive) to house, clothe, and feed people than it will be to pay for the inevitable revolving door of the carceral system and the emergency room. Allowing people to live on the street and in the elements is not something that a civilized society should do.
Most of the Food Not Bombs fundraisers on GoFundMe reached their goal. But none of them mention anything like you do. They ask for limited support to buy a van, or a kitchen appliance, hospital bills, legal bills. Two of them reached their goal and said ongoing donations would help and they are both food kitchens. Even the hospital bill one for workers injured in some attack raised it's goal of $40k. Maybe it will help or maybe it won't but I don't see how you can be mad if there isn't even a post on there asking for the help.
Is this actually true? Benefits make up a giant amount of the federal budget, do they not? Lots of people are housed on other people's taxes already; is it really this simple?
@centerfield6339 There have been multiple studies comparing the costs that go into doing sweeps and the costs of court cases and the costs of prison per head and the increased medical costs due to living in the elements, etc. Versus what it would cost to build and maintain public housing units and provide food, universally these find that it would cost less to do the latter. Some studies find that it would cost three times less, but even if you took a more conservative estimate that we just broke even, the side benefits are reduced crime and that people who go into permanent supportive housing end up with a very high rate of getting back into the workforce and actually contributing back into the system. It really is that simple. We just need the political will to do it. The carceral approach is expensive and ineffective, *unless* your only goal is to create a permanent underclass of de facto slave labor to work in prisons...
@@Frakkle yeah it's got to be evil people wanting slaves. Can't just be that studies don't mean it will work. Social sciences papers are barely worth the cost of the paper. If you want it to work then I get that, but people don't like studies that are so multivariate as to be almost useless. The fact that you don't mention that is a bit worrying for someone wanting to trust your own analytical skills.
My grandma told me a saying that eventually I saw on some lame CW show. But it has stuck with me forever: Two people can only keep a secret if one of them is dead. She had so many good mottos and sayings. I miss her sometimes 😢
I saw the article when they got caught. Told everyone that they were successful employees that made enough money to fund the gofundme by themselves if they had to and threw bobbit under the bus saying he probably spent it on drugs. My biggest complaint was he didnt go to the cops sooner to complain he only got 25k on the original 170k he knew about. He must have really trusted them to help him.
@@stormisuedonym4599 the video states they opened a bank account with 25k of the 400k in it. Even if he bought 25k of drugs he didn't have enough to do anything except pay his utilities while he found a job. If they had given him at least 200k of it that would be a different story.
@@azinyefantasy4445 Bullshit. 25k is more than enough to get a car and an apartment, with thousands left over to spare. Try again, but keep in mind I'm old enough to remember the pre-COVID economy and have done that whole homeless thing before.
@stormisuedonym4599 no. 25k isn't enough. I'm old enough to remember pre COVID economy too. 25k 20 years ago wasn't enough. I also was homeless. I also work. 25k today is the same as $100 50 years ago. I'm also old enough to remember when the USD was supposed to afford the basics - which includes car, rent, savings - and no matter what you or others say - the Internet. All on a single job that literally was min wage. Which for the uneducated, that means you, the minimum wage at which the basics are afforded without any assistance. Which literally means no food stamps, no subsidized living, no government programs, social security. Etc. We haven't had '25k is plenty" for many decades. In today's economy, 80k isn't enough. But hey, it sure is enough while half the country is below poverty and are the only ones that are paying the taxes that are supposed to be for our food. Our infrastructure, our citizens. We got enough money to send to other nations, we have 3nough that 26 an hour regardless of where I work gets a house. No bank loan No 2nd job. No government assistance. Maybe 25k is enough for LeBron James....but it's different right?
Dude you absolutely can not blame the homeless man. That man is HOMELESS, living on the streets. He's humbled every time he has to ask strangers for money to eat. He's experiencing something most of us will never experience. Somebody comes up to him, tells him they want to commit what really (to him) amounts to a victimless crime. Basically tell him he's pan handling from a much bigger group of people who actually want to help him and SEE HIM for once. His nightmare is over, probably forever. No streets anymore, hair cuts and showers, fucking food to eat, etc. what...you expect somebody in that situation to go "no its not right, I know they WANT to help me, but I didnt buy your gas initially". You shouldn't expect that
@@stormisuedonym4599 that is one of the things folks who complain about "the patriarchy" tend to hate, yes not having full accountability and not having full agency are two sides of the same coin
I've paid for gas for others. I had a clerk tell me not to buy one person's gas because she was an addict but she had run out of gas around Christmas (on the 23rd). I didn't give her the money though BECAUSE I could see that she was an addict. I told her to pump $10 which was enough to get her home and the only other cash I had on me. I made her cry because she did want and need the gas. Plus, it was too cold to have her be stuck anywhere that wasn't home with her kids and family. I'd hope someone would do the same for me if I was ever in the same position...not give me money but at least pay for some gas.
It's already awful to abuse the poor, but the most cruel thing a human can do to another is to give them hope and then take it away. This isn't a question of subjectivity, that is just objectively evil.
It's insane that she got off the lightest, despite being the main player. Yes, 3 years in jail, but a women's jail, with 3 meals a day, and standard women-prison amenities, while Bobbitt, the still homeless man, had to be made an example of with the 25k restitution, going even more negative along side being strung along and taken advantage of. The ex got off pretty light too with only 5 years, honestly.
Shocking eh I couldn’t believe bobbit got that much of a fine and probation. Goes to show they don’t care for would they would see as lesser than people. Makes me sick! They lived amazing for 3 months aswell holidays etc!
Over 20k spent on a vacation to VEGAS?! These people have horrific taste, you could travel across Europe or Asia for that much and instead they went to Vegas? Good Lord
@@nninjastrike2127yeah p much this. Whether or not you agree or disagree/blame him is irrelevant since you gotta follow the law on it and still punish him for being a part of it.
I think he was used, taken advantage of and he was in vulnerable position. Unless there is something more to this story, I would argue that he was more of a victim on the two as he seemed to speak in forthcoming manner when he was asked about the things. At least in the country where I live, things can be viewed quite differently depending on the position of the person like elderly person with dementia, person with mental health problems, young child or other such cases. They are easier to take advantage of and get exploited.
This country beats people when they are down. Legally he was in the wrong, but I have no doubt being homeless the cops would have picked him up at some point. Hell, maybe his life did get saved this way.
There's a village idiot at my place and one night he's venting non stop about having only ten bucks but a guy pushing his bike with empty tank said he doesn't have any money and this joker gave him five bucks for gas. I always respect this guy everytime I see him.
This reminds me of the rehabs that body broker. What that is is they will find a homeless guy get him insurance and then tell him that they will pay him five grand if he just goes to the detox and pees in the cup, and then they will build the insurance monthly for his rehab day. A lot of these places lost tremendous business and/or went out of business when Trump signed the anti-body broke interact, and there was severe punishment which was consisted of monetary in jail time.
I'm in awe of the stupidity required to screw over the person who your entire scam relies upon so easily. What did they think would happen when they took his home away from him?
I remembered a Slopes Video on this subject. I actually got into an argument with someone because of the Audio file Kate presented to the court. Where she riled up her partner to get him to hit her. Then she proceeded to use that against him in court. To me, that is probably the most disgusting thing you can do. She basically threw her partner under the bus to get out of trouble. If i was the judge, i would've dismissed the tape entirely.
Stuff like this is why I gave up on crowdfunding. I use to drop a few bucks here and there but after stories like this started coming up I just never did it again.
Undeserved money usually disappears as fast as it appeared. They could have easily got away with this if they just handed over the cash and asked the guy for the 10k. Even if they were a little greedy and said their debts are 20k, I'm pretty sure the homeless guy wouldn't mind helping out someone who got them off the street with a 400k in the bag.
tbf the guy was a total bum. he worked min wage and gambled. The girl is a total loser for choosing this guy, like the square jaw dont mean shit todays age. Im one of the chads. (TALKING BOUT WEALTH HERE)
These have to be the dumbest scammers I've ever heard about. What did they think was going to happen? The foresight of pigeons, giving gambling addicts a bad name.
The sheer scale is absurd. 400k and almost nothing reached him. While they shouldnt hold anything back I dont think the public would have been very outraged over small sums held back. Like lets say of the 400k the couple kept the 10k for paying of family and maybe like 5k extra. Still questionable, but okay if the rest reached him. THen again it was built on a lie in the first place... What is wrong with people.
I can see a movie of this being made, same budget and scale about the same size as the Nicolas Cage movie Pig, starring Blake Lively (they are very similar looking) and Mark Rylance (as the homeless vet). Not sure who I'd cast as the husband. Is Ryan Reynolds too obvious?
I am so confused on how they plan on making a movie and book deal about that situation that happened, it wasn’t even an hour without cuts and skips. They’d be in the movie more than him sans with the book lol. That right there is a red flag.
If everybody got an even cut and never speak to anybody about it they would have gotten away with it. But it wouldn't do the couple any good cuz they blew it all.
Help, i dont even blame the homeless guy for going along with it. Hell if they did 50/50, or shit 25/75 that would have been a steal. You got your money i got mine, we never talk about it again. shame he got a 25k fine for it.
Yeah, Boobbit did a bad thing. You know what? We all would in his position. I feel sorry for him. And for the people who contributed. On the contrary I feel like 3-5 years in jail is quite meh for those two greedy fks.
Although I have known about this fraud since it was exposed but boy oh your story telling is next level!! Your voice is extremely suitable for dark crime narration. You should seriously consider making such videos in a separate channel.
@@KiraTV1 I feel like that's a stretch since he absolutely was a homeless vet who needed the help. A rich person with a good lawyer would have been able to wiggle out of that, but whatever.
What you feel doesn't change the facts. He did participate in a successful scheme to defraud the public. You can feel that he had mitigating circumstances, which everyone will agree with, including the judge, which is why he didn't go to jail for it. But you can't feel that he didn't commit a crime because that isn't how objectivity or fact works. He did commit fraud, and fraud is wrong. Therefore, he did something wrong. As for a rich person, this is silly to say. Because a rich person wouldn't have the mitigating circumstance of being a homeless veteran. Rich people go to jail quite often for defrauding the public. If you need some examples, simple good search "United States ppnzi scheme convictions" and read. Had a rich person with a good lawyer defrauded the public with a gofundme scam pretending to be a homeless vet, they would have gone to jail, unlike this guy, who didn't go to jail.
@@KiraTV1 but again, this person did not pretend to be a homeless vet. He absolutely was one. The "fraud" he committed, was not clearing up the story of how these guys met. I never even suggested rich people don't go to jail for committing crimes, I literally watch you and coffezilla constantly. What I am saying is this is literally no worse than faking it til you make it, and that happens all the time without conviction. Advertising also likes to play around with technical truths. My point wasn't that exact scenario because obviously that would happen, I was comparing the use of technical truths to get money from the public. I'm genuinely curious what you thought his alternative actions should have been. He was a homeless man on drugs. Was he supposed to go to the police? You think they would have believed him?? The story is ridiculous in the first place and he was on drugs. He didn't do anything wrong and no level of pointing at law books (which allows lobbying which is absolutely wrong and just let major companies that used child labor to mine cobalt off the hook) is going to change my mind because again, I don't use the law to determine right and wrong. If your only argument was "this was a crime" it's gonna continue to fall on deaf ears.
You're not aware of the facts. Because your first sentence in this comment does not engage with the facts. Him pretending to be a homeless veteran or not is never anf was never brought up. What i said was that if a rich person had pretended to be one while also committing fraud, he would go to jail. Not that this person pretended to.. That wasn't the fraud. Please watch the video, or read the case, and engage with the facts. They will help you understand because clearly you do not. It's impossible to have an adult conversation if you refuse to understand the situation and repeat things that are irrelevant to the facts and display a misunderstanding or lack of knowledge on the topic. What should he have done? Not engaged in fraud. You can disagree with what fraud is, and you can say he didn't do anything wrong. But he did, and you're clearly unaware of the situation enough to have opinions on it. If you still feel that way after you do, cool. But he did still commit fraud. Society has deemed that it is wrong. Your feelings are valid in as much as you can feel how you want, but it doesn't change reality. Just be informed before coming to conclusions first and that helps. The fraud was lying to people for money. Which is a crime, and being a homeless vet doesn't change that, though again, the law you seem to dislike was lenient on him due to circumstance. Sticking your fingers in your ears doesn't change any of this. And most people regardless of law agree that lying to people to enrich yourself is morally wrong :)
stole 400k dollars from a poor drug addicted ex-veteran bloke: 5 years in prison? wow, i've seen people getting longer sentences for trespassing and not stealing anything
wait hold up, the homeless guy has to pay back 25k.. for the money raised for him? sure there was a lie in it but.. he is homeless and the money he got did help him. you know.. not be homeless. This is fucking stupid. I'm willing to bet this goes down like this. A homeless guy cant repay the money and gets tossed in jail for violating the term of his probation. .. As, this shit happens all the time.
Calling them idiots is appropriate. If they'd worked with the guy they may have gotten away with it but instead they turned him into an enemy with nothing to lose if he collapsed their lie.
It’s sad that people who do these things are the reason people doubt the validity of crowdfunding campaigns that might genuinely be meant to help someone. Poor guy. Can’t really fault him, he was desperate and they had already started the campaign anyway. If I were in his position, I could see myself agreeing to lie for the money.
Moderate earners who desperately want to live lavish lifestyles way outside their means. Without any of the hard work required in between of course. Just a profound level of greed and lack of humility.
Hard to blame the homeless guy, seen away out of a bad situation, the other 2 are despicable. Another great video Kira thank you
He was in on it. All three are guilty
These effs have screwed every homeless person ever😢 so many r never gonna give a less fortunate actual good human being, a seconds glance, just remember these pieces of dog shat…good job folks😢
@@Cybo-Man That's not the argument Markus was making. We know he's in on it. But we also know he was homeless. He had nothing to lose and really knew it was a scam after it was already underway. So it was going to go on with or without him. If it was an opportunity to get off the streets and actually have a place to live again and know I'll have food everyday, I'm not sure I'd have made a different call. Now since drugs *did* get him there in the first place, I'm not sure how long that "happy ending" would have stayed in place since I don't recall if he actually beat the addiction or not
@@Mon937Honestly let's say it was just a white lie to help a homeless veteran, and the intention was to actually help. It wouldn't be that hard to get him a rental apartment for a year, a car, and a small monthly living budget over that year. Then put the rest of the money in a trust that would pay for rehab/medical expenses, and only allow him free access to the money after a year of sobriety with regular drug test. What makes trust so powerful is they are a very customizable financial asset when set up right.
@@Cybo-ManDon't care. He was never in a position of power. He was a desperate man in a desperate situation he should never have been in if society was a better place.
The other two are scum, and the fact that the only thing separating him from eternal poverty was if or not he had committed a single kind gesture that was reported is more of an indictment on us than it could ever be on him.
While he was a participant in the fraud, he was a desperate person looking for his salvation and would grab onto any life line offered to him.
Well that makes it okay.
Doesn't make it ok!
@@donniev8181 you immune to sarcasm or dumb?
doesnt make it ok he still guilty, but his punishment should be basically nothing
yeah, and ordering him to pay back 25k is like the most pointless punishment too. where is he going to get that money now?
Glad these two scamming idiots didn't get away with it. They're disgusting. I feel so bad for Johnny and I'm glad the community came after these evil people.
White people like those two are never that selfless.
They kinda did, 3 and 5 years compared to all those travels is actually less than most people. For 300k, some people would work the same or more time and still be afraid of falling ill one day then going into debt over hospital bills. "White collar crime", aka rich people stealing, is like a slap on the wrist. If the duo were punished so would billionaires, so they paid the equivalent of a fine.
They really gave up like 300k for like 30k worth of an RV and truck? Even splitting 50/50 with the guy was plenty of money. It's hard to believe how greedy people will get over just a fraction of what they are getting.
Legit just work with the guy. He was happy with the fraction he was getting. The RV was fine, just get him the truck that was promised. Give him a little bit more and if anyone questioned where you were getting the nice things, just have the homeless guy say it was a gift for all their help. Take a few pictures with him at the dealership, at the mall, etc etc. it was so simple and so easy. The stage was set. And they fumbled.
Greed tends to override logic.
Exactly they definitely could have profited and taken care of the homeless guy and noone would be the wiser.
They spent more on their transportation than his RV.
@@kaynkayn9870 Wasn't even his RV, it was theirs which they temporarily tolerated him living in. Crazy.
@@bernhardlabus8511 I forgot about that. Truly saw him as nothing but a homeless person. Some lowly homeless person who didn't deserve money *they* made. What a joke.
They only owed 10k. They could have easily pocketed another 10k and nobody would have cared or noticed. Greed always comes back to bite you.
Yeah, when I first heard of this I was thinking the same thing. Just take what you owe, seeing as you have jobs, a house, and stability, then give the rest. 10k of 400k can be made to look like taxes or something if they put in a little effort
They could've taken half and still have easily gotten away with it. Thank god for human greed and stupidity though as it was the cause of their downfall. Just another reason I hate humanity, we're capable of such greatness but instead greed and selfishness always take the wheel
The sort of sociopaths that scam a homeless man won't settle for less than infinite wealth. They could *have paid their bills and followed through with the post. But they thought of it as *their* money, sickening.
And how exactly could have they taken the rest of the money? Don't you think their banks will ask them where the money came from?
It sounds like the homeless man got exploited by the couple from the start, that he was in vulnerable position, that he didn't mean to defraud but was dragged to it, still got left to fend for himself and then was honest when people came asking him questions.
I think he should have not been punished at all. As far as I know, it sounds like he was as much a victim of the couple as the people who donated to the fundraiser and what little he benefited from it, was negligible.
The guy didn't have much of a choice. It was either a chance at turning his life around, or to keep sitting on the sidewalk, hoping for the generosity of random strangers.
It is bewildering to me that throwing a 25k debt on top of a homeless guy is considered justice.
@tomr6955 the State enabled it by ditching its responsibilities unto private individuals, only to punish them for not doing the right thing.
@tomr6955 No it isn't.
I've been homeless. I've also been conned before too, by the foster care system that made me homeless when I aged out.
I would have done anything for a roof over my head and a hot meal if I fully believed the lies told to me at the time. Foster care is path to prison. I avoided that path, but it wasn't easy. I don't fault the homeless man one bit.
You were really strong for avoiding the easier path and Im so sorry you had to go through that in your life. I really admire you.
What do u mean by this
@@op8ztvfor real, like what were the lies?
Facts
I know that there are those genuinely in need of financial assistance and simply have no other options, but at the same time I am convinced that the vast majority of crowdfunding ventures are complete bulls**t.
If you want to help homeless person, might as well look at athlete dorm. They're pretty much living like homeless haha. The worst i've lived was a ex-locker room/corridor makeshift into dorm for 12 people.
6 years ago my 4 month old daughter passed away. I was 27 and did not have the nearly 15k her funeral cost us, along with time off work and therapy. My wifes best friends started a gofundme and we were incredibly fortunate to have had everything paid for and a bit more. We didn't have to cheap out on a headstone for our daughter and didn't have to stress about what we were going to do. It was amazing and the reason I always donate to gofundmes for similar things.
I don't for a second believe that the "vast majority" are complete bullshit. I do think its tacky to start your own but ya.
@@emorrow6441 Sadly, there's always going to be coverage of when these good intentions are actually just to line a villain's pockets over when they genuinely help people.
I didn't even know The Completionist ran a charity fund for dementia until it turned out to be a scam.
This channel once again highlight that. Even game developer on there are at best a coinflip, and the coin is not on your side.
And unfortunately alot of major charities are scams. I remember like 10 years ago some of the top charities were actually corrupt and barely donated
sorry, how is that amount money and lack of any morals whatsoever only worth 3 years in jail? absolutely ridiculous
3 years is a long time.
@@centerfield6339 lil boys getting 30y+ for scamming more than 3k now days over 300k scammed and feuded but 3 years? Crazy
Damn...to think all three of them could have profited off a lie so easily, and they could have turned their lives around, but greed got in the way. Such a shame.
Easy money is spent easily!
gambling addiction is like being a junkie. They cant help it
Wait the homeless guy came off this with a 25.000$ fine? And 3 years probation?
Great. Now he’s a homeless guy who can’t even think about building a life because the first 25k he manages to get together will be taken by the state, what are the odds of a guy like that breaking his probation by being picked up by the cops for using drugs?
Justice is truly served here.
Like, come on, he was god damn homeless, of course he was going along with their charade. Have some god damn humanity, the whole conspiracy was cooked up without his knowledge he just played along because he was desperate.
i hope he was at least able to get himself into a better enough living situation beforehand to withstand it
definitely a case of "justice is blind" not bein' some'n' to brag about
People act like they would never do the same thing if placed in the same situation, it shows a lack of empathy
Wow! They literally could have have given the money to Bobbit and then asked him for help with their $10,000 debts... and he probably would have accepted. If they had even the smallest amount of human decency, they could have got away with it.
As an activist with Food Not Bombs who works with and helps provide meals and support services for the unhoused here in Orlando on an absolutely shoestring budget, it is maddening to see campaigns like this blow up so big. With a 400k budget, we could pretty readily get 20-30 people off the street and into real, supportive housing where they could rebuild their lives.
Allowing people to go unhoused is decision that society and policymakers have made. We need to change our attitudes towards this and realize that it's always going to be better (as well as less expensive) to house, clothe, and feed people than it will be to pay for the inevitable revolving door of the carceral system and the emergency room. Allowing people to live on the street and in the elements is not something that a civilized society should do.
Most of the Food Not Bombs fundraisers on GoFundMe reached their goal. But none of them mention anything like you do. They ask for limited support to buy a van, or a kitchen appliance, hospital bills, legal bills. Two of them reached their goal and said ongoing donations would help and they are both food kitchens. Even the hospital bill one for workers injured in some attack raised it's goal of $40k. Maybe it will help or maybe it won't but I don't see how you can be mad if there isn't even a post on there asking for the help.
yea as i grow up i realize government figures literally choose for people to be homeleey
Is this actually true? Benefits make up a giant amount of the federal budget, do they not? Lots of people are housed on other people's taxes already; is it really this simple?
@centerfield6339 There have been multiple studies comparing the costs that go into doing sweeps and the costs of court cases and the costs of prison per head and the increased medical costs due to living in the elements, etc. Versus what it would cost to build and maintain public housing units and provide food, universally these find that it would cost less to do the latter. Some studies find that it would cost three times less, but even if you took a more conservative estimate that we just broke even, the side benefits are reduced crime and that people who go into permanent supportive housing end up with a very high rate of getting back into the workforce and actually contributing back into the system.
It really is that simple. We just need the political will to do it. The carceral approach is expensive and ineffective, *unless* your only goal is to create a permanent underclass of de facto slave labor to work in prisons...
@@Frakkle yeah it's got to be evil people wanting slaves. Can't just be that studies don't mean it will work. Social sciences papers are barely worth the cost of the paper. If you want it to work then I get that, but people don't like studies that are so multivariate as to be almost useless. The fact that you don't mention that is a bit worrying for someone wanting to trust your own analytical skills.
Only one person can keep a secret. You NEVER tell your friend about your scheme to commit a crime.
My grandma told me a saying that eventually I saw on some lame CW show. But it has stuck with me forever: Two people can only keep a secret if one of them is dead.
She had so many good mottos and sayings. I miss her sometimes 😢
Crime 101
@@TikkiNikkisure she did, you definitely didn’t just hear that tiktok song and think its very deep and meaningful
@@froggycolouring okay
@@froggycolouringwhat tiktok song bro 😂 you’re just chronically online
I saw the article when they got caught. Told everyone that they were successful employees that made enough money to fund the gofundme by themselves if they had to and threw bobbit under the bus saying he probably spent it on drugs.
My biggest complaint was he didnt go to the cops sooner to complain he only got 25k on the original 170k he knew about. He must have really trusted them to help him.
problem is they got him involved in the lie which incriminated him too.
"... and threw Bobbit under the bus saying he probably spent it on drugs."
Well, it's not like he spent it turning his life around.
@@stormisuedonym4599 the video states they opened a bank account with 25k of the 400k in it. Even if he bought 25k of drugs he didn't have enough to do anything except pay his utilities while he found a job. If they had given him at least 200k of it that would be a different story.
@@azinyefantasy4445 Bullshit. 25k is more than enough to get a car and an apartment, with thousands left over to spare.
Try again, but keep in mind I'm old enough to remember the pre-COVID economy and have done that whole homeless thing before.
@stormisuedonym4599 no. 25k isn't enough.
I'm old enough to remember pre COVID economy too. 25k 20 years ago wasn't enough.
I also was homeless. I also work.
25k today is the same as $100 50 years ago.
I'm also old enough to remember when the USD was supposed to afford the basics - which includes car, rent, savings - and no matter what you or others say - the Internet.
All on a single job that literally was min wage. Which for the uneducated, that means you, the minimum wage at which the basics are afforded without any assistance. Which literally means no food stamps, no subsidized living, no government programs, social security. Etc.
We haven't had '25k is plenty" for many decades. In today's economy, 80k isn't enough.
But hey, it sure is enough while half the country is below poverty and are the only ones that are paying the taxes that are supposed to be for our food. Our infrastructure, our citizens.
We got enough money to send to other nations, we have 3nough that 26 an hour regardless of where I work gets a house.
No bank loan
No 2nd job.
No government assistance.
Maybe 25k is enough for LeBron James....but it's different right?
Dude you absolutely can not blame the homeless man. That man is HOMELESS, living on the streets. He's humbled every time he has to ask strangers for money to eat. He's experiencing something most of us will never experience. Somebody comes up to him, tells him they want to commit what really (to him) amounts to a victimless crime. Basically tell him he's pan handling from a much bigger group of people who actually want to help him and SEE HIM for once. His nightmare is over, probably forever. No streets anymore, hair cuts and showers, fucking food to eat, etc. what...you expect somebody in that situation to go "no its not right, I know they WANT to help me, but I didnt buy your gas initially". You shouldn't expect that
17:36 Here we go again. Women receiving a lighter sentence than a man for the same crime. She should have received the same 5 years as Mark.
We live in a patriarchal society, unfortunately. Until we TRULY change that, this will continue to happen
@@cannedCPU 🤣
That's the P-pass. I wonder if there is a study on female judges vs male judges and their sentencing.
@@cannedCPU If by "patriarchal" you mean "only men are really expected to be adults," then yes.
@@stormisuedonym4599 that is one of the things folks who complain about "the patriarchy" tend to hate, yes
not having full accountability and not having full agency are two sides of the same coin
Human greed is disgusting. People that are homeless are the easiest ones to get used by greedy people. This vet deserved much better.
More like 'people are disgusting'
This is one of the reasons why I call BS on any soppy story I see these days.
I've paid for gas for others. I had a clerk tell me not to buy one person's gas because she was an addict but she had run out of gas around Christmas (on the 23rd). I didn't give her the money though BECAUSE I could see that she was an addict. I told her to pump $10 which was enough to get her home and the only other cash I had on me. I made her cry because she did want and need the gas. Plus, it was too cold to have her be stuck anywhere that wasn't home with her kids and family. I'd hope someone would do the same for me if I was ever in the same position...not give me money but at least pay for some gas.
good deed if true. good on ya
It's hard to imagine a homeless guy with a drug addiction ending up even worse off. Well there you go.
It's already awful to abuse the poor, but the most cruel thing a human can do to another is to give them hope and then take it away. This isn't a question of subjectivity, that is just objectively evil.
The system fails this homeless veteran yet again. How could he end up having to pay!? That is just ridiculous!
It's insane that she got off the lightest, despite being the main player. Yes, 3 years in jail, but a women's jail, with 3 meals a day, and standard women-prison amenities, while Bobbitt, the still homeless man, had to be made an example of with the 25k restitution, going even more negative along side being strung along and taken advantage of. The ex got off pretty light too with only 5 years, honestly.
Shocking eh I couldn’t believe bobbit got that much of a fine and probation. Goes to show they don’t care for would they would see as lesser than people. Makes me sick! They lived amazing for 3 months aswell holidays etc!
gotta love the american "justice" system
But…but that can’t be true. The patriarchy wouldn’t go easy on her!!!
She's a woman. Its just statistics.
Another amazing story. I learn about so many scams here it's incredible.
Over 20k spent on a vacation to VEGAS?! These people have horrific taste, you could travel across Europe or Asia for that much and instead they went to Vegas? Good Lord
"ravel across Europe or Asia"
with 20k there could've done both!
I've watched a handful of videos about this story, an I'm always amazed with how predatory some people can be when money blinds their conscience.
Why Johnny was punished too? I hope he is doing ok now ❤
He knowingly supported the fraud (though it's hard to blame him).
@@nninjastrike2127yeah p much this. Whether or not you agree or disagree/blame him is irrelevant since you gotta follow the law on it and still punish him for being a part of it.
@@bass1sam Nah it's not irrelevant. Something being deemed illegal isn't the same as it being wrong.
I think he was used, taken advantage of and he was in vulnerable position. Unless there is something more to this story, I would argue that he was more of a victim on the two as he seemed to speak in forthcoming manner when he was asked about the things.
At least in the country where I live, things can be viewed quite differently depending on the position of the person like elderly person with dementia, person with mental health problems, young child or other such cases. They are easier to take advantage of and get exploited.
This country beats people when they are down. Legally he was in the wrong, but I have no doubt being homeless the cops would have picked him up at some point. Hell, maybe his life did get saved this way.
The really strange thing about all this is the homeless guy would probably have given them some money if they had asked him!
Superb story again to chew over. Thanks kira and keep on keepin on.
I love hearing these stories from different UA-camrs. First Slopes, now Kira. Some things I didn't know about until now with this story
There's a village idiot at my place and one night he's venting non stop about having only ten bucks but a guy pushing his bike with empty tank said he doesn't have any money and this joker gave him five bucks for gas. I always respect this guy everytime I see him.
love a good kira tv mini doc, always an instant click
The homeless guy was not at fault and was used by them because they feared he was a hole in their story.
True, the couple was desperate for his silence, and that made the situation potentially dangerous.
This reminds me of the rehabs that body broker. What that is is they will find a homeless guy get him insurance and then tell him that they will pay him five grand if he just goes to the detox and pees in the cup, and then they will build the insurance monthly for his rehab day. A lot of these places lost tremendous business and/or went out of business when Trump signed the anti-body broke interact, and there was severe punishment which was consisted of monetary in jail time.
this is a good video. you keep making em, ill keep watching em. thanks!
Philly scumbags through and through. This poor guy didn’t deserve any trouble from these greedy pigs.
Being from South Jersey, when this story came out not one person I knew believed it. This shit would NEVER happen in Philly lol.
Same. I'm from West Philly (not born, but raised) and Philly is the asshole capital of the United States. This story is the fakest thing ever.
I'm in awe of the stupidity required to screw over the person who your entire scam relies upon so easily. What did they think would happen when they took his home away from him?
11:30 lmao what a bad picture of the judge! Shame on whoever made it!
I remembered a Slopes Video on this subject. I actually got into an argument with someone because of the Audio file Kate presented to the court. Where she riled up her partner to get him to hit her. Then she proceeded to use that against him in court. To me, that is probably the most disgusting thing you can do. She basically threw her partner under the bus to get out of trouble. If i was the judge, i would've dismissed the tape entirely.
Everytime I hear this situation and story(ies) it gets more and more wild. Some people are just so greedy.
Most people are greedy
I remember when daniel from kickscammers/slopes game room covered this
Stuff like this is why I gave up on crowdfunding. I use to drop a few bucks here and there but after stories like this started coming up I just never did it again.
What I'm getting from this is how much people do really want to help the homeless.
This is a warning... if a story seems off, believe your instinct.
Undeserved money usually disappears as fast as it appeared. They could have easily got away with this if they just handed over the cash and asked the guy for the 10k. Even if they were a little greedy and said their debts are 20k, I'm pretty sure the homeless guy wouldn't mind helping out someone who got them off the street with a 400k in the bag.
Great doc mate.
It's a shame he couldn't see them going to scam him when they asked him to lie along with them.
Kira great video man!
“ I can’t believe we have $10,000 left” sounds like a red herring.
the fact that the state charged Bobbit is fucking despicable. $25,000 in restitution are you fucking kidding me???
Great editing!
Lmao they make up this elaborate scheme and then admit to the first person who asks that yes they are committing fraud shhhh!
All this shows is that women get less jail-time for the same crime.
tbf the guy was a total bum. he worked min wage and gambled. The girl is a total loser for choosing this guy, like the square jaw dont mean shit todays age. Im one of the chads. (TALKING BOUT WEALTH HERE)
Once again you prove to be running circles around “normal” journalists
These have to be the dumbest scammers I've ever heard about. What did they think was going to happen? The foresight of pigeons, giving gambling addicts a bad name.
I have no idea how, but this whole story slipped by me. It made for a great watch with me not knowing any details in advance.
Kira is th goat for going straight into the story and not 5mins of useless facts
The sheer scale is absurd. 400k and almost nothing reached him. While they shouldnt hold anything back I dont think the public would have been very outraged over small sums held back. Like lets say of the 400k the couple kept the 10k for paying of family and maybe like 5k extra. Still questionable, but okay if the rest reached him. THen again it was built on a lie in the first place... What is wrong with people.
If you can’t trust people on the internet that want money from you who can you trust?!?
I remember, Nicely told.
I can see a movie of this being made, same budget and scale about the same size as the Nicolas Cage movie Pig, starring Blake Lively (they are very similar looking) and Mark Rylance (as the homeless vet). Not sure who I'd cast as the husband. Is Ryan Reynolds too obvious?
This is so wild. Wow.
6:43. That is indeed over 1500 dollars.
I am so confused on how they plan on making a movie and book deal about that situation that happened, it wasn’t even an hour without cuts and skips. They’d be in the movie more than him sans with the book lol. That right there is a red flag.
The homeless guy was used and later charged thats actually sad
My dude wound up on the hook for $25k just for meeting those awful people
This is really the story of the entire world : a lot of good and generous people, but everything is rotten due to a few greedy assholes.
"Fraud can put you in jail for up to 30 years, but we're only giving the frauds 3 and 5 years respectively", the American justice system is a joke lol
How much would it cost to house two people for 30 years? We aren't the British who dump people into Australia and call it fair!
Love that edit from "you don't go to jail for lying on TV" to him being indicted on FEDERAL WIRETAPPING. lol laughed while doing some work.
I remember seeing that but didn’t realize it was a scam! Huh
If everybody got an even cut and never speak to anybody about it they would have gotten away with it. But it wouldn't do the couple any good cuz they blew it all.
Help, i dont even blame the homeless guy for going along with it. Hell if they did 50/50, or shit 25/75 that would have been a steal. You got your money i got mine, we never talk about it again. shame he got a 25k fine for it.
Kira would be so dope on the red thread 😂
Greed got the better of them and it always does, because the people who arent motivated by greed arent the ones who run the scams.
Yeah, Boobbit did a bad thing. You know what? We all would in his position. I feel sorry for him. And for the people who contributed. On the contrary I feel like 3-5 years in jail is quite meh for those two greedy fks.
This is a case where they all suck, but one of the three sucks significantly less than the other two.
7:27 November 21th?
Although I have known about this fraud since it was exposed but boy oh your story telling is next level!! Your voice is extremely suitable for dark crime narration. You should seriously consider making such videos in a separate channel.
“You don’t go to jail for lying on TV.” Maybe not, but you DO often go to jail for spending 300k you obtained by fraud, ….which they also did.
This ones gonna be good 👏 👏
Should have been called : The Big Scam.
That's bs that he had to pay fines and got probation 😒
how can people who spend this stupidly come up with an intelligent plan out of no where
I don't understand why the homeless was charged. He didn't do anything wrong
Yeah he did, as outlined in the video he participated in defrauding the public. A crime.
@@KiraTV1 I feel like that's a stretch since he absolutely was a homeless vet who needed the help. A rich person with a good lawyer would have been able to wiggle out of that, but whatever.
What you feel doesn't change the facts. He did participate in a successful scheme to defraud the public. You can feel that he had mitigating circumstances, which everyone will agree with, including the judge, which is why he didn't go to jail for it. But you can't feel that he didn't commit a crime because that isn't how objectivity or fact works. He did commit fraud, and fraud is wrong. Therefore, he did something wrong.
As for a rich person, this is silly to say. Because a rich person wouldn't have the mitigating circumstance of being a homeless veteran. Rich people go to jail quite often for defrauding the public. If you need some examples, simple good search "United States ppnzi scheme convictions" and read. Had a rich person with a good lawyer defrauded the public with a gofundme scam pretending to be a homeless vet, they would have gone to jail, unlike this guy, who didn't go to jail.
@@KiraTV1 but again, this person did not pretend to be a homeless vet. He absolutely was one. The "fraud" he committed, was not clearing up the story of how these guys met.
I never even suggested rich people don't go to jail for committing crimes, I literally watch you and coffezilla constantly. What I am saying is this is literally no worse than faking it til you make it, and that happens all the time without conviction. Advertising also likes to play around with technical truths. My point wasn't that exact scenario because obviously that would happen, I was comparing the use of technical truths to get money from the public.
I'm genuinely curious what you thought his alternative actions should have been. He was a homeless man on drugs. Was he supposed to go to the police? You think they would have believed him?? The story is ridiculous in the first place and he was on drugs.
He didn't do anything wrong and no level of pointing at law books (which allows lobbying which is absolutely wrong and just let major companies that used child labor to mine cobalt off the hook) is going to change my mind because again, I don't use the law to determine right and wrong. If your only argument was "this was a crime" it's gonna continue to fall on deaf ears.
You're not aware of the facts. Because your first sentence in this comment does not engage with the facts. Him pretending to be a homeless veteran or not is never anf was never brought up. What i said was that if a rich person had pretended to be one while also committing fraud, he would go to jail. Not that this person pretended to.. That wasn't the fraud. Please watch the video, or read the case, and engage with the facts. They will help you understand because clearly you do not. It's impossible to have an adult conversation if you refuse to understand the situation and repeat things that are irrelevant to the facts and display a misunderstanding or lack of knowledge on the topic.
What should he have done? Not engaged in fraud.
You can disagree with what fraud is, and you can say he didn't do anything wrong. But he did, and you're clearly unaware of the situation enough to have opinions on it. If you still feel that way after you do, cool. But he did still commit fraud. Society has deemed that it is wrong. Your feelings are valid in as much as you can feel how you want, but it doesn't change reality. Just be informed before coming to conclusions first and that helps. The fraud was lying to people for money. Which is a crime, and being a homeless vet doesn't change that, though again, the law you seem to dislike was lenient on him due to circumstance. Sticking your fingers in your ears doesn't change any of this. And most people regardless of law agree that lying to people to enrich yourself is morally wrong :)
you said homeless man, but i Definitly just see 3 bums.
stole 400k dollars from a poor drug addicted ex-veteran bloke: 5 years in prison? wow, i've seen people getting longer sentences for trespassing and not stealing anything
The homeless guy had nothing out of it and still has to pay 25k... good luck with getting that money
He got 75k out of this.
In hindsight the claim of “his last $20” is just ridiculous. I could see $3-5 of his last twenty.
Ain't no addict giving up their last $20 to some woman to get fuel for her car ROFL
7:25 November 21th? Lmao
😂😂 i saw this on my Facebook while a
Go
The worst part of it all? How many juvenile burn victims could be helped with the skin those two are wasting...
finally a story ive heard about already
I'm amazed you could keep a straight face when you had to say that some of the money went on cryptocurrency. Thanks for the vid dude.
wait hold up, the homeless guy has to pay back 25k.. for the money raised for him? sure there was a lie in it but.. he is homeless and the money he got did help him. you know.. not be homeless. This is fucking stupid. I'm willing to bet this goes down like this. A homeless guy cant repay the money and gets tossed in jail for violating the term of his probation. .. As, this shit happens all the time.
all he cared about was getting help, that lie in the middle? just noise. Morality is only fit for the healthy.
if they would have just split the money with him instead of being greedy, we would have never known......
Calling them idiots is appropriate. If they'd worked with the guy they may have gotten away with it but instead they turned him into an enemy with nothing to lose if he collapsed their lie.
It’s sad that people who do these things are the reason people doubt the validity of crowdfunding campaigns that might genuinely be meant to help someone. Poor guy. Can’t really fault him, he was desperate and they had already started the campaign anyway. If I were in his position, I could see myself agreeing to lie for the money.
Omg I remember seeing their videos about him. It really rubbed me the wrong way, seemed sus.
Moderate earners who desperately want to live lavish lifestyles way outside their means. Without any of the hard work required in between of course. Just a profound level of greed and lack of humility.