Nice review Tony. I just wish Honda would bring out another shaft drive bike. Since the vfr1200 / cross tourer they haven't brought one out....as you say its more practical for touring. Personally at nearly £13k I would look at a used BMW / Triumph which come with all the extras and 2yrs warranty.....and no chain 😎. Ride safe and keep up the great videos.
I went from a shaft drive to a chain, and it’s no big deal really. On tour I carry a can of chain lube and some rubber gloves & oil it every 500 mile approx. It takes all of 5 mins and you are back on the road, no problem. The bike has now done 16000 miles and I have only adjusted the chain twice at home.
@@marksimpson5218 The chain lubing is not the problem. It is cleaning the fling from the chain that is constant pia unless you don't care what your bike looks like. I use a PTFE based lube and I never need to clean chain except wipe side plates off. A good lube will protect the seals and outside of rollers by lubricating them and capturing fine debris that will in turn be flung off. Give me a minimal maintenance-free shaft drive that doesn't make mess or require costly replacement of chain plus sprockets at 20K-30K miles
That's the old Deauville screen system which must be at least 14 years old. I'm sure they could have come up with a better system or even electrically adjustable like the Pan...
Great review thankyou. As an FJR man I've been tempted by this, even though this has less power, until I realise I'd be lacking an electronic adjustable windshield, suspension, shaft drive. Pity.
as far as I'm concerned as a ST1300ABS owner since launch, honda have messed up badly by making this chain drive, non adjustable height seat, lack of electric adjustable screen and sadly smaller panners , and to make matters worse a poor headlight on dipped.
Literally having a rest in the middle of an extended road test on the manual with quickshifter version. Im really impressed actually - plenty fast and torque-y enough, sounds really good, very comfortable (im 6ft) and apart from the screen adjustment (which if you are like me once you have found the best position will never touch it again) I cant really think of anything negative to say about it. I am seriously tempted - and I was set on getting and Africa Twin but now i'm not so sure..... And just to confirm - the exposed wiring you pointed out IS exposed on my test bike as well lol
@@leecornwall8381 Not yet - 3 month waiting list for NT but the africa twin is in stock......so will probably get that instead - going to make final decision either way this coming Friday actually.
Since a mid range scooter, the Forza 350 has an electric actuated windscreen, I wonder what the dudes at Honda were thinking when they didn't put it on a 13000 GBP motorcycle...
Nice review and I think fair in the context of todays expectations. But they're calling this a tourer. Lets be honest it's a styling exercise on an Africa Twin. Even if you go back the best part of 20 years there were better tourers - the FJR, Pan Euro and R1200RT to name just a few. Electric screens, shaft drive and large fairings/luggage make a big difference when you want to use it as a tourer. Its a shame you didn't get to try it out in the rain to see how good/otherwise that fairing set up really is. I know from experience that on the R bike if you're over about 40mph you don't get wet at all - including boots. Its also got adjustable seat height, much larger luggage (and a top box) and I would wager the ride is far more plush after watching you get jolted on all the big bumps. I think this is a bit of a cynical marketing exercise to sell cheap-to-build bikes using Hondas' name. It used to be you built a bike to be the best you could make it at the job it was for. Now it seems you just make one bike and adjust the bolt-ons to sell more of them.
Orange running lights concern me - car drivers are inattentive enough that as you approach a junction with them on the left turning right, they see a left hand orange light, assume you’re turning and pull out. Screen could have been better but having had 2 RTs I find I have a favourite setting and never really adjust. Shaft/chain I used to be shaft stalwart but chains have dramatically improved. Panniers could do with being a little bigger (helmet sized), and once again Honda miss my money because there’s always big waiting lists.
Yep its still a worry for me in the UK. I've not had any issues so far when riding Hondas, but I have noticed a few confused looks from drivers and pedestrians. Running lights are no problem, just make them white or yellow......not amber
I'm glad you pointed out the fact the bike goes before the screen boots up. I have an Africa Twin, and honestly, I typically start my bike while I'm still fiddling with my gloves and/or other stuff, and I've never been ready to pull off by the time it boots up. But even when i have everything ready to go, you don't have to wait for the screen, which is exactly what happens when you don't have a screen on your bike. The screen also has different setting, and you can set it to very simple (non-confusing) set-ups. I love the electronics on my Africa Twin. I admit, that it took me two weeks to get comfortable, and two months for it to become second nature, but hey, i've had her for two years now. If my next bike is an NT1100, it will be because i want the screen.
It seems to be a nice bike with an array of extras, however as someone who enjoys touring distances, shaft drive is my preference, maybe the 1300 engine from the Pan European (shaft drive) would of been an option! But then this would take it away from the sports tourer label. Maybe Honda could reintroduce an updated Pan! Great review and a really nice bike though!
If you prefer shaft drive due to reliability. Remember this is a Honda using an engine proven for reliability. This bike will outlive the best shaft driven motorcycle other than Honda goldwing
Thanks for the video. I’m trying to keep an open mind about these pavement-going ADVs as tourers, but I’m still not convinced. Probably because I’m relatively small and have long since abandoned large ADVs after one too many times of having to extract myself from a slippery situation. The one thing that would help to convince me, in addition to lower seat height, is power reverse. I rode a Ural for several years and even it had reverse haha. For now, my Norge remains the one to beat, with respect to sporty touring.
The screen adjustment is straight from the CBF1000F MK2. NT stands for New Touring. The manual bike with quickshifter is good, as it also has auto blipper as well.
The Amber running light thing has been adopted by BMW too and is causing similar consternation amongst owners. I think that having a distinctive drl colour is a good thing to stand out amongst the sea of white lights of cars. I have fitted separate yellow led lights but they switch off when any front indicator is blinking, thanks to ezcan.
Yep, i've had yellow lights before including headlights, as I agree a different colour light makes people look twice, which is a good thing. But i'm not so keen on having an amber DRL built into to indicator. I fitted some Denali lights to an Africa Twin and the ezCAN is a brilliant piece of kit.
Fantastic review Tony, very insightful. Can't believe we still have resistance (in comments) to auto gearboxes, given that most accepted things, are automated these days, and after all, a motorcycle by its very nature is an automatic bicycle.
The Honda XADV with DCT is an excellent touring platform. I've been on week long trips over 3000km and it was fantastic. The NT1100 however does look very appealing! 🙂
Think you will find they will do an Africa Twin on this and introduce an “adventure sport” or in this case “Deluxe” version which will have the bigger tank, IMU, electronic suspension and electric screen all for price stratification.
Honda have done it this time. A nice compromise for the people who would not go for the goldwing due to weight or cost. I'm personally more an African twin person/ tiger 900 rider at the moment.
In just a few words... great work here. You nailed it. This video should get more views. Keep going. p.s. It would be nice to have more color option for this bike, or at least lively ones. :)
It is sad to hear the side cases cannot hold a full-size helmet. You would think that would be a primary requirement for any side case design. Glad to see Honda add the DCT to more models but truly missed the mark with this oversight in my opinion.
Good review Tony. Ive owned two Crosstourers and loved the DCT box, brilliant bit of kit. I hoped that Honda would update the CT with some of the tech the Africa Twin had but alas they opted to build the NT which i see as a new Deauville. Leaves a huge gap in the range between the NT and the Goldwing.
Agree. The last superbike Honda made was the mighty Crosstourer. Since the re introduction of the AT in 2016 this V4 peach doomed to live in the shadow of the AT never to be updated again. What a loss.
Great review and thank you for for the videos. Would you consider the NT1100DCT to be an amateur rider friendly motorcycle? I come from riding mostly a Piaggio MP3 300. I have never tried driving something at this size but I think it's time for me to move up. Thanks again!
I fully agree that you don't have to sit around and wait for the screen to do a full boot, but, still, it should be able to present information like speed, rpm's, which gear I'm in and the time of day, in mere seconds and still be able to continue on with the boot up in the background. I have a DSLR which I can power on and start shooting photos with within 0,1 seconds, and that does have a lot more data to take into account to get things right.
Nice review. I think more than a shaft drive, Honda need to work on reducing the frequency and complexity of the maintenance on that engine. It make Italian bikes look low maintenance. Absolutely love the engine, but a 40000km valve check like on yamahas would make a lot more sense on a touring machine. My 91 nighthawk has hydraulic valve lifters and spark plugs and air filters can be changed in minutes…instead of hours. Seat looks uncomfortable as on the Africa twin, thin and slope at the back pushing you toward the tank.
Will go on a test ride soon. Exactly for the DCT model. Will see. Have to agree with your thoughts. :) Maintenance is a key factor, sure. If the seat bothers you... there can be a big problem. Drop by buddy, you may find it interesting.
Good review and a nice bike, but I couldn't see me swapping my Africa Twin Adventure Sport ( DCT) for this any time soon. The ATAS is a great touring bike, better luggage, electronic suspension, etc. I think Honda needed to make this a little more luxurious for a dedicated touring machine. Electronic windscreen, heated seats, to name but 2. Maybe a little further down the road an improved model will arrive.
To be fair 12K (GBP) is very, very affordable for a new bike with this pedigree and specification - just look at the extras! The colours are poor though, choice of a basic black, white, or gunmetal grey. No red, no electric blue - a shame!
Great job Tony, as usual. Can't wait till they make it to the States. I was excited about the Suzuki, but after reading some reviews, not so sure now. I haven't seen any mention on pricing?
@@mancavemoto I watched to the end looking for the price and somehow it slipped right by me. In my defense, I miss my fair share these days. Thanks again, keep smiling.
Good honest review Tony, I like the bike in that colour, it’s terrible in white! Yes I think yourself and the other reviewers on YT should always consider a pillion passenger review…was no.1 on my list when choosing my sports tourer, that 100hp could be a little lacking when 2 up and fully loaded. Agree with you on the drl’s also😕. 👍☘️
And that was a VERY GOOD Analysis ! Very detailed, but a lot of these "details" are VERY IMPORTANT ! Only you dared to say that the STYLING is CONSERVATIVE . I was waiting for A LOWER AFRIKA TWIN !!!! NOT FOR A BIGGER ADV 750 !!!!!!!! After so many years, this Tourer is the best now, but IT COULD BE BETTER !! Probably , IT WILL BE BETTER after 2-4 years + updates (f. ex. : corner ABS). I`m bought my 1. Honda XL 175cm³ in DEz.`79. Now I have Varadero XL 1000V 2002. I`m looking for my new bike since at least 2 years : only Japanese !! (maybe....CF Moto 800MT) 2 Cylinders, Alu Wheels, between 800-1000 cm³. I looked very much BMW asking the Germans in DEU ==> out of the list. Soooo...., NT 1100 was my one and only choice !!! Buuuut...., I agree 1000% with you. Greetings from Athens-GRE !
Thank you for your review. I’m having a demo ride on this in a couple of weeks. I’m looking forward to it, I will be comparing it to the Africa Twin, I’d love to get a demo on the new Suzuki GSXR1000GT as well but they seem to be unavailable.
Have to say I was underwhelmed by iras a tourer whereas the AT 1100 I liked a lot, wife said it was awful as a tourer, then again she’s comparing it to our Goldwing DCT Tour
Having the main parts of the review listed in minutes is a good idea. Taking the time to do that tells me something (good) about the reviewer. I'm interested in this bike as it seems like a good value but I'm concerned about the basically non-adjustable suspension. Yes, if they hit it just right then no worries, but suspension compliance is so subjective . Will the bike be comfortable on my broken roads? With no way to alter the suspension characteristics, it's going to be kind of a crap shoot if I can't get a test ride before buying.
Thanks Donald, and yes that would be a concern. The roads around me aren’t great and it coped pretty well, but it could be a very different experience for someone else. I would rather spend a little more or buy used with a more sophisticated setup
@@mancavemoto Good advice I think! I'm on a 2021 Honda NC750X ABS right now and the suspension seems too taunt for it's own good on my crappy roads. OH, to have my Ducati Multistrada Sky-Hook suspension again! Right now I'm looking at a 2009 R1200RT with 38k miles for $6,500.
Very good review, sir ! Chain driven for sure and the absence of hand-guards would keep me away from buying it. If not a shaft, then why not a belt ? What is wrong with a belt, Honda ? For the rest : lovely machine and certainly when equipped with a DCT.
Regarding the way the screen has to be grabbed with both hands to raise it. It's like 50 years of accumulated knowledge of what's good and what aint gets thrown in the bin when some bikes are designed. Who the hell thought that was a good idea for a touring bike of all bikes? I've seen other bikes where you can manually raise the screen with one hand while riding so there's no excuse to come away with a design like this Honda's. I also think chain drive is a bit of an error too.
Yep the screen is confusing, because its actually one of the best screens i riddeen with recently in terms of wind protection. Let down by its adjustment.
Nice one Tony as usual. As the guys below have said, great review.. Don’t think I’ll swap my Africa Twin, but this is a great value bike in comparison to the Adventure Sport. Incidentally mate, mine is a 2020 with DCT and electronic suspension and it did come with the cig lighter as standard. In my day, the joke was “As useful as an ashtray on a motorbike”, never mind a bloody electronic lighter. Who’da thunk it …. 😳🤣🤣🤣. I guess it was model specific on the AT then. Ride safe brother 👍
When I look at this bike the first question that comes to mind is if its “top heavy”?. Honda have a track record of doing this. The second question is “how long would it take before I became bored with this motorcycle?”. It seems like a perfectly nice, reliable (probably), well specified, but not exciting model. Its very Honda. I can see its potential as a good commuter motorcycle with the DCT gearbox, but I personally would want something different for the weekends.
Great review - thanks! Not sure if this has been covered but I live in a medium size metro area in US Northwest. There are 3 Honda dealers in a 12 mile radius. None have any idea when/if this bike will be available and have no interest in making any effort to research. I have a BMW RT which I love but unless you live on the East or Left Coast reliable dealership (service & maintenance) is really spotty.
Panniers are not standard here in Japan but price is almost the same, even though it’s built just an our from me… no sure what Japanese manufactures always do this to us, same thing with my tracer 900gt…
Panniers are not standard either here in Denmark. And they just bumped the price as well, so now I would have to pay almost 10% more than the advertised price. I'm passing on it until maybe next year.
The thing that kills it for me is I don't see the cruiser part of it. All I see is a duel sport with street tires only on it. Also is looks the same as the NC750X again with street tires as apposed to duel sport tires. The only thing I do like about it is that it has 42 more HP then the NC750X does otherwise I would class is as a duel sport still has I feel it's miss the cruiser look altogether.
I have one question. So if I were to load this bike up to cross the US how much added weight can the bike hold. Important for riding long distances two up, and when the second rider wants to bring everything...
Nice panniers/internal bags. This bike will be popular amonst riders who are not concerned with image. When did you get changed. I like the winter suit you had on at the beginning of the video. What is it, please? First-class review, but what does scootch mean?
Indeed, unlike some I don't nip out for a couple of hours on the bike and film a review. I get to know it a little ride in different locations and conditions and film segments at a time. Often if the weather is similar i'll be wearing the same kit on different rides, but we've had spring, summer and winter all in a single week here recently! To Scootch is to 'move a very small distance'...
As you have been a long term rider off the Africa Twin does the NT1100 offer the less ‘adventurously minded’ of us less sports tourer and more adventure tourer option ? As both a VFR1200 F and a 1200 Crosstourer owner I’m considering a move to ‘consolidate’ to a single bike garage in the next 12 months ?
Yes I think you've hit the nail on the head Jon. It was a point i was trying to roughly make, if you don't need the long travel suspension and extra height the Africa Twin has, this is a great alternative.
I enjoyed your review. I have a touring type bike and I find the screen does a pretty good job but when it get dirty i.e. all winter, it clags up meaning I cannot see through it at all. In fact it's damned dangerous. It can be adjust down but that requires undoing screws. When on the Honda do you look through or over the screen when it's up? I'm 5.10" and believe you are too hence my interest. Cheers.
Hi. Great video... cheers. When I get one the missus will definitely be on the back, so it’d be good to have some feedback regarding comfort for the pillion passenger if you know where I could get some?? Anyway, thanks for a great video. Cheers, Bob
Well the CB1000 engine doesn’t have DCT which will be a prerequisite for this type of bike from Honda. Once this bike has been around for a couple of years I would be surprised to find a new 1300cc Pan-European introduced based on a upgraded VFR1200F/X which has a shaft and will be updated for Euro5 and slot in between the NT and the Goldwing.
I have a 2014 NC750X DCT and was thinking about trading it in for the NT but to me the bike looks horrible in the flesh, it's big & bulky at the front with far to much plastic, I was hoping for a more street orientated / naked version. Lets hope that Honda will bring one out soon.
I don't think the chain will cause a lot of buys to overlook this bike, what other bikes have shaft drive in is this class? BMW RT, and the GS's that's it. Honda will not have a problem selling this bike.
Looks good but not stunning. Not riden one yet, but initial criticisms are; panniers can't accommodate a helmet; front mudguard is useless; colours as bland as can be. Windscreen can only be adjusted by hand and when stopped. Common Honda; it should be electric so it can be adjusted on the move as conditions change. Chain drive! Maybe I can live with a chain again?
I like AF AdvSport better, especially when riding twisty roads. The NT1100 has more "disappointing" wind noise on the highway, even with a 17-inch front it is heavier in turns. Think this is more for "older" riders who like straight roads. A big disappointment is that there is no room for a helmet in the panniers
As someone who has mounted many bikes and ridden ‘em long ‘n hard for over fifty years, I’m ready for a more . . . well, flaccid mount. To this end, as long as I have access to exciting bikes, the NT would be my next purchase. Would be my next bike, if I could buy one in North America. But, I can’t. So, it looks like it may the Suzuki S1000GT. Now, that K5 engine brings back memories! Did I ever tell you about the time . . . hey, told you I was an ol’fart . . .
Love it, and great review (as always). Unfortunately, chain drive is a dealbreaker for me. If I were in the market for a sporty-ish tourer, I'd go for the FJR1300; otherwise, Goldwing for the win.
Chain drive also puts me off a bike for touring. I appreciate modern chains are durable etc but as someone who doesn't do chain adjustment (feel free to criticise me here) a shaft-drive is a godsend. Now, as much as I like the GoldWing it is (IMO) a very specialised bike. Sure, great to get across a continent, but not so good on the curvy roads of the Scottish Highlands. My ideal bike would be a shaft drive Honda NC 750-X DCT. But I'm not holding my breath waiting for one....
@@1990-t1j if I were to buy a GW, I’d DEFINITELY go for the manual. I bought the Rebel 1100 in DCT when it was first released; owned it three months; rode it 1300 miles; and sold it. I simply missed shifting too much. Great bike, awesome engine…just too “disconnected” a feeling for me.
Thanks for your review! I've just had my X-ADV written off and need to get a new bike. A question that no one seems to have addressed - is this bike easily maneverable around town (Is filtering reasonably straight forward without the panniers?) I do a lot of urban driving as well as on A roads and motorways so before committing would like your opinion. Best, Jonny
Well its time to label the NT for whatit is. Under engineered. yes a Honda that is under engineered. That is an amazing fact for a Honda. Honda has been surpassed by many bikes in this field and you cannot deny it. Its sized like many competitors Honda has attempted to include the bike into a category full of competition, like Triumph, Ducati, KTM and soon to hi the market Moto Guzzi. This bike is nothing short of below the competition in every department. The only advantage Honda has in selling these under achieving mounts is their reputation. There is only one area where this bike offers something the others do not andn that is the DSG transmission. What a shame and a bad effort by Honda.
Great review Tony (and I've seen some poor ones for this bike). I've just traded in my XADV for one of these but supply train holding up delivery. On the plus side I ordered it before the price rise on 01/04 so it's £400 cheaper than you quote here. For those who say it would be much better with shaft drive, well that may be the case but it would certainly add to the weight and cost. To counter that I would say that the centre stand makes chain maintenance much easier and a light oil after a couple of trips would see the chain last well in excess of 20k miles (+ it's more efficient). Thanks for the tip on the display!
Picking up mine today... Bought it without even getting hold of it. But hey, it's a Honda...? Automatic screen would rise the price too much, like it this way 👍
I agree. Not only price, but weight. I like the idea of a power windscreen. I had one on an Indian. But once I found the right height for me, I never touched it again. But it’s still seems like a nice feature.
Good review I thought 👍On the point of Pillions, I think this is something lacking on bike reviews especially on bikes which are more likely to be used 2-up touring etc. I always have two test rides on new bikes, one for myself for the fun bits and if that's ok I then take the wife to get her perspective. If it's uncomfortable for her then it's no good as a touring bike for us.
Let your arse decide...and it's not the Yamaha... I did 800miles on Day 2 on mine, ring of fire there...reason I sold the Tracer 900,that and a sump that wouldn't go over a kerb!
Never a big fan when these reviewers talk up a DCT transmission. If someone wants something like that, fine. I ride a motorcycle to be connected to the road and be outside. I can fine innumerable cages that are geared towards full comfort and have automatic transmissions (I've always owned manual transmissions myself).
As a truck driver I still see the same luddites saying the same about trucks, auto all the way for me, especially on 1100mile days up through the USA...why make the job even more tiring...those guy's with their 18sp crash gearboxes, think it's a penis extension, it's not, it's a shrunken brain!
As a shorter GS owner I was interested in this bike and I like its looks! however, NT !! that reminds me of the DULVIL!! perhaps ST1100 would have taken older riders like me, who its targeted at, with it. remember the NT as a boring commuter ( or be a great bike for what its made for), old mans bike!! still a good bike! would I swap my GS1250 No!!
I can’t stand the sound of the parallel twin. Yamaha doesn’t sound bad because if their 270 degree crank. And chain drives are crazy on bikes like this. Belt drive or shaft. I am not messing with cleaning and lubing chains anymore.
just a question, what is this black shadows moving from the top to the bottom of the TFT screen??? it shows like the TFT flashes all the time and the ''connection'' is not good. If it is real and not a ''play'' of the video is very annoyed.
Seems like my opinion mirrors quite a few other large sport touring riders here. I absolutely love the look of the thing, but there’s 3 hard pass fails. I could get over the lack of a power windshield, but having to get off the bike to move it, major fail. Side panniers that don’t take a full face helmet, major fail. And chain drive on a bike marketed as a touring bike, major fail. Its a shame.
Never ridden anything over 120bhp, never will...never felt the need on Scottish roads, if 120 can't get traction, why need more? And I've got a big boaby, I don't need to substitute it with anything, ha ha!
I'll stick with a manual gearbox. For a helmet I'd replace the side paniers with a 56 litre Givi top box or the Honda one if it was large enough. I don't understand the 17" front wheel I thought Honda were moving away from. I'd prefer a shaft drive but atleast they've given the bike a centre stand. Overall it's a very good bike. I'd be happy with one.
Styling wise the biggest issue for me is it looks like a cross between a Honda car and a scooter - not helped by the dull, sorry, “conservative” colours. The pointless dual screens and messy controls show a lack of good rider interface design (BMW, KTM, Ducati and Triumph are much better). I don’t get the point about keeping costs down for not fitting a shaft - the Deauville wasn’t exactly expensive - it was more likely that as the AT is a chain drive it would have cost more than Honda was willing to pay to optimise the engine for a shaft. Honda also have a reputation for weighty bikes, so a shaft would have made things worse. Some like the DCT but I don’t and it’s interesting that no other manufacturer has bothered with it. To me it is truly a parts bin special - a confused mish mash of styles, all the elements to be a tourer without really being much good as a tourer (panniers too small, no shaft, no full fairing, screen you can’t adjust whilst riding, small plank sloped seat). I love Honda bikes and have owned many over the years, but it’s a no from me for the NT.
Styling is always going to divide opinion, some people say uts ugly, I think its just a bit dull. But in the metal it does look 'smart'. The dual screens are useful, as the navigation can utilise all of the big screen and you still have a speed reading and warning lights on the little one. Yep that was what I meant about costs, there would be a lot of expense to develop a shaft drive for the bike, its not just the cost of the part itself.
Other manufacturers did...when Marquez started winning all those titles, all MotoGP bikes went to seamless changing, just Honda have taken it to market so far!
Sweet bike! But yea, can’t mess with a chain for distance riding. A belt would’ve been a better low cost option for Big Red..
Nice review Tony. I just wish Honda would bring out another shaft drive bike. Since the vfr1200 / cross tourer they haven't brought one out....as you say its more practical for touring. Personally at nearly £13k I would look at a used BMW / Triumph which come with all the extras and 2yrs warranty.....and no chain 😎. Ride safe and keep up the great videos.
Cheers Darren
I went from a shaft drive to a chain, and it’s no big deal really. On tour I carry a can of chain lube and some rubber gloves & oil it every 500 mile approx. It takes all of 5 mins and you are back on the road, no problem. The bike has now done 16000 miles and I have only adjusted the chain twice at home.
@@marksimpson5218 The chain lubing is not the problem. It is cleaning the fling from the chain that is constant pia unless you don't care what your bike looks like. I use a PTFE based lube and I never need to clean chain except wipe side plates off. A good lube will protect the seals and outside of rollers by lubricating them and capturing fine debris that will in turn be flung off.
Give me a minimal maintenance-free shaft drive that doesn't make mess or require costly replacement of chain plus sprockets at 20K-30K miles
@@marksimpson5218 True, especially with the center stand on this bike. Super simple.
Give them a couple of years and that engine will probably appear as a Pan-European replacement to fill the gap between NT1100 and Goldwing.
That's the old Deauville screen system which must be at least 14 years old. I'm sure they could have come up with a better system or even electrically adjustable like the Pan...
Yep, it’s a pretty poor effort and a shame too as the screen performs really well
Like the windscreen on the Crosstourer from 2016 its brilliant.
Great review thankyou. As an FJR man I've been tempted by this, even though this has less power, until I realise I'd be lacking an electronic adjustable windshield, suspension, shaft drive. Pity.
Agree
as far as I'm concerned as a ST1300ABS owner since launch, honda have messed up badly by making this chain drive, non adjustable height seat, lack of electric adjustable screen and sadly smaller panners , and to make matters worse a poor headlight on dipped.
Literally having a rest in the middle of an extended road test on the manual with quickshifter version. Im really impressed actually - plenty fast and torque-y enough, sounds really good, very comfortable (im 6ft) and apart from the screen adjustment (which if you are like me once you have found the best position will never touch it again) I cant really think of anything negative to say about it. I am seriously tempted - and I was set on getting and Africa Twin but now i'm not so sure.....
And just to confirm - the exposed wiring you pointed out IS exposed on my test bike as well lol
@@leecornwall8381 Not yet - 3 month waiting list for NT but the africa twin is in stock......so will probably get that instead - going to make final decision either way this coming Friday actually.
Since a mid range scooter, the Forza 350 has an electric actuated windscreen, I wonder what the dudes at Honda were thinking when they didn't put it on a 13000 GBP motorcycle...
Nice review and I think fair in the context of todays expectations.
But they're calling this a tourer.
Lets be honest it's a styling exercise on an Africa Twin.
Even if you go back the best part of 20 years there were better tourers - the FJR, Pan Euro and R1200RT to name just a few.
Electric screens, shaft drive and large fairings/luggage make a big difference when you want to use it as a tourer.
Its a shame you didn't get to try it out in the rain to see how good/otherwise that fairing set up really is. I know from experience that on the R bike if you're over about 40mph you don't get wet at all - including boots. Its also got adjustable seat height, much larger luggage (and a top box) and I would wager the ride is far more plush after watching you get jolted on all the big bumps.
I think this is a bit of a cynical marketing exercise to sell cheap-to-build bikes using Hondas' name.
It used to be you built a bike to be the best you could make it at the job it was for. Now it seems you just make one bike and adjust the bolt-ons to sell more of them.
Thanks for the hard work you've put in here. It's the best review of the bike I've seen.
Cheers Joe, much appreciated
I like it also. Great work here. Overall he covered every single aspect. :) Can check my content.
Orange running lights concern me - car drivers are inattentive enough that as you approach a junction with them on the left turning right, they see a left hand orange light, assume you’re turning and pull out. Screen could have been better but having had 2 RTs I find I have a favourite setting and never really adjust. Shaft/chain I used to be shaft stalwart but chains have dramatically improved. Panniers could do with being a little bigger (helmet sized), and once again Honda miss my money because there’s always big waiting lists.
Yep its still a worry for me in the UK. I've not had any issues so far when riding Hondas, but I have noticed a few confused looks from drivers and pedestrians. Running lights are no problem, just make them white or yellow......not amber
Hi Tony, a great, honest and humble review. Thank you. 👍😎🇦🇺
Thanks Marcus 👍
I'm glad you pointed out the fact the bike goes before the screen boots up. I have an Africa Twin, and honestly, I typically start my bike while I'm still fiddling with my gloves and/or other stuff, and I've never been ready to pull off by the time it boots up. But even when i have everything ready to go, you don't have to wait for the screen, which is exactly what happens when you don't have a screen on your bike. The screen also has different setting, and you can set it to very simple (non-confusing) set-ups. I love the electronics on my Africa Twin. I admit, that it took me two weeks to get comfortable, and two months for it to become second nature, but hey, i've had her for two years now. If my next bike is an NT1100, it will be because i want the screen.
It seems to be a nice bike with an array of extras, however as someone who enjoys touring distances, shaft drive is my preference, maybe the 1300 engine from the Pan European (shaft drive) would of been an option! But then this would take it away from the sports tourer label. Maybe Honda could reintroduce an updated Pan! Great review and a really nice bike though!
If you prefer shaft drive due to reliability. Remember this is a Honda using an engine proven for reliability. This bike will outlive the best shaft driven motorcycle other than Honda goldwing
@@expatbiker6598 Honda V4 engines outlive anything and everything ... useless point to make ... Genuine ST?! NO chain ... Period!
Nice review!
The question is: why they, Honda, NOT INSTALLED the shift drive?!
To expensive to justify price point
It would require redesigning the engine and therefore add to cost.
Thanks for the video. I’m trying to keep an open mind about these pavement-going ADVs as tourers, but I’m still not convinced. Probably because I’m relatively small and have long since abandoned large ADVs after one too many times of having to extract myself from a slippery situation. The one thing that would help to convince me, in addition to lower seat height, is power reverse. I rode a Ural for several years and even it had reverse haha. For now, my Norge remains the one to beat, with respect to sporty touring.
The screen adjustment is straight from the CBF1000F MK2.
NT stands for New Touring.
The manual bike with quickshifter is good, as it also has auto blipper as well.
That’s the route I would go,manual with QS.
The Amber running light thing has been adopted by BMW too and is causing similar consternation amongst owners. I think that having a distinctive drl colour is a good thing to stand out amongst the sea of white lights of cars. I have fitted separate yellow led lights but they switch off when any front indicator is blinking, thanks to ezcan.
Yep, i've had yellow lights before including headlights, as I agree a different colour light makes people look twice, which is a good thing. But i'm not so keen on having an amber DRL built into to indicator.
I fitted some Denali lights to an Africa Twin and the ezCAN is a brilliant piece of kit.
Fantastic review Tony, very insightful.
Can't believe we still have resistance (in comments) to auto gearboxes, given that most accepted things, are automated these days, and after all, a motorcycle by its very nature is an automatic bicycle.
Thanks Graham, people seem to love DSG boxes in cars, but not so keen on them on bikes.
Use it, or lose it...
The Honda XADV with DCT is an excellent touring platform. I've been on week long trips over 3000km and it was fantastic. The NT1100 however does look very appealing! 🙂
Thanks for sharing!
Think you will find they will do an Africa Twin on this and introduce an “adventure sport” or in this case “Deluxe” version which will have the bigger tank, IMU, electronic suspension and electric screen all for price stratification.
Quite possibly Jim, it seems like a platform that they’ll be developing
Honda have done it this time. A nice compromise for the people who would not go for the goldwing due to weight or cost. I'm personally more an African twin person/ tiger 900 rider at the moment.
In just a few words... great work here. You nailed it. This video should get more views. Keep going.
p.s. It would be nice to have more color option for this bike, or at least lively ones. :)
Thanks for that, much appreciated
@@mancavemoto Anytime. :)
It is sad to hear the side cases cannot hold a full-size helmet. You would think that would be a primary requirement for any side case design. Glad to see Honda add the DCT to more models but truly missed the mark with this oversight in my opinion.
Good review Tony. Ive owned two Crosstourers and loved the DCT box, brilliant bit of kit. I hoped that Honda would update the CT with some of the tech the Africa Twin had but alas they opted to build the NT which i see as a new Deauville. Leaves a huge gap in the range between the NT and the Goldwing.
Cheers. Apparently there are more new bikes coming this year.
Agree. The last superbike Honda made was the mighty Crosstourer. Since the re introduction of the AT in 2016 this V4 peach doomed to live in the shadow of the AT never to be updated again. What a loss.
Nice review pal. Love the jacket! 👌🏼🔥
Thanks! 👍
Great review and thank you for for the videos. Would you consider the NT1100DCT to be an amateur rider friendly motorcycle? I come from riding mostly a Piaggio MP3 300. I have never tried driving something at this size but I think it's time for me to move up. Thanks again!
Yes, absolutely, very easy to ride and a manageable size too
I fully agree that you don't have to sit around and wait for the screen to do a full boot, but, still, it should be able to present information like speed, rpm's, which gear I'm in and the time of day, in mere seconds and still be able to continue on with the boot up in the background.
I have a DSLR which I can power on and start shooting photos with within 0,1 seconds, and that does have a lot more data to take into account to get things right.
The lower lcd has that information and switches on immediately the key is turned.
Nice review. I think more than a shaft drive, Honda need to work on reducing the frequency and complexity of the maintenance on that engine. It make Italian bikes look low maintenance. Absolutely love the engine, but a 40000km valve check like on yamahas would make a lot more sense on a touring machine. My 91 nighthawk has hydraulic valve lifters and spark plugs and air filters can be changed in minutes…instead of hours. Seat looks uncomfortable as on the Africa twin, thin and slope at the back pushing you toward the tank.
Will go on a test ride soon. Exactly for the DCT model. Will see. Have to agree with your thoughts. :) Maintenance is a key factor, sure. If the seat bothers you... there can be a big problem. Drop by buddy, you may find it interesting.
I think the Africa Twin seat is more comfortable than this bikes for sure.
Great balanced review as always 👍
Thanks! 👍
Nice review... and I want one. Also I thought our back road here in US-VA were narrow!
Thanks, yep we have some pretty narrow lanes. It’s one reason you don’t see that many American pick ups on uk roads 😂
Good review and a nice bike, but I couldn't see me swapping my Africa Twin Adventure Sport ( DCT) for this any time soon. The ATAS is a great touring bike, better luggage, electronic suspension, etc. I think Honda needed to make this a little more luxurious for a dedicated touring machine. Electronic windscreen, heated seats, to name but 2. Maybe a little further down the road an improved model will arrive.
Thanks, and no I wouldnt blame you.
I think one of the great things about this model is the range of colours, and in my country the likely cost is absolutely unaffordable.
To be fair 12K (GBP) is very, very affordable for a new bike with this pedigree and specification - just look at the extras! The colours are poor though, choice of a basic black, white, or gunmetal grey. No red, no electric blue - a shame!
Great job Tony, as usual. Can't wait till they make it to the States. I was excited about the Suzuki, but after reading some reviews, not so sure now.
I haven't seen any mention on pricing?
Thanks Ed, price is show at around the three minute mark. £12,399 for manual and £1k more for the DCT
@@mancavemoto I watched to the end looking for the price and somehow it slipped right by me. In my defense, I miss my fair share these days. Thanks again, keep smiling.
Good honest review Tony, I like the bike in that colour, it’s terrible in white! Yes I think yourself and the other reviewers on YT should always consider a pillion passenger review…was no.1 on my list when choosing my sports tourer, that 100hp could be a little lacking when 2 up and fully loaded. Agree with you on the drl’s also😕. 👍☘️
And that was a VERY GOOD Analysis ! Very detailed, but a lot of these "details" are VERY IMPORTANT ! Only you dared to say that the STYLING is CONSERVATIVE .
I was waiting for A LOWER AFRIKA TWIN !!!! NOT FOR A BIGGER ADV 750 !!!!!!!!
After so many years, this Tourer is the best now, but IT COULD BE BETTER !! Probably , IT WILL BE BETTER after 2-4 years + updates (f. ex. : corner ABS).
I`m bought my 1. Honda XL 175cm³ in DEz.`79. Now I have Varadero XL 1000V 2002. I`m looking for my new bike since at least 2 years :
only Japanese !! (maybe....CF Moto 800MT) 2 Cylinders, Alu Wheels, between 800-1000 cm³. I looked very much BMW asking the Germans in DEU ==> out of the list.
Soooo...., NT 1100 was my one and only choice !!! Buuuut...., I agree 1000% with you. Greetings from Athens-GRE !
Thanks Kyrios, good luck and enjoy finding your new bike!
Thank you for your review. I’m having a demo ride on this in a couple of weeks. I’m looking forward to it, I will be comparing it to the Africa Twin, I’d love to get a demo on the new Suzuki GSXR1000GT as well but they seem to be unavailable.
Thanks. It feels similar to the AT, but at the same time different.
Have to say I was underwhelmed by iras a tourer whereas the AT 1100 I liked a lot, wife said it was awful as a tourer, then again she’s comparing it to our Goldwing DCT Tour
It's hardly difficult to service a chain so I don't see why guys fuss over a shaft drive.
Same here
Having the main parts of the review listed in minutes is a good idea. Taking the time to do that tells me something (good) about the reviewer. I'm interested in this bike as it seems like a good value but I'm concerned about the basically non-adjustable suspension. Yes, if they hit it just right then no worries, but suspension compliance is so subjective . Will the bike be comfortable on my broken roads? With no way to alter the suspension characteristics, it's going to be kind of a crap shoot if I can't get a test ride before buying.
Thanks Donald, and yes that would be a concern. The roads around me aren’t great and it coped pretty well, but it could be a very different experience for someone else. I would rather spend a little more or buy used with a more sophisticated setup
@@mancavemoto Good advice I think! I'm on a 2021 Honda NC750X ABS right now and the suspension seems too taunt for it's own good on my crappy roads. OH, to have my Ducati Multistrada Sky-Hook suspension again! Right now I'm looking at a 2009 R1200RT with 38k miles for $6,500.
Very good review, sir ! Chain driven for sure and the absence of hand-guards would keep me away from buying it. If not a shaft, then why not a belt ? What is wrong with a belt, Honda ? For the rest : lovely machine and certainly when equipped with a DCT.
Thanks Alain
Regarding the way the screen has to be grabbed with both hands to raise it. It's like 50 years of accumulated knowledge of what's good and what aint gets thrown in the bin when some bikes are designed. Who the hell thought that was a good idea for a touring bike of all bikes? I've seen other bikes where you can manually raise the screen with one hand while riding so there's no excuse to come away with a design like this Honda's. I also think chain drive is a bit of an error too.
Yep the screen is confusing, because its actually one of the best screens i riddeen with recently in terms of wind protection. Let down by its adjustment.
Especially as the £5500 Forza 350 has an electric screen.
Nice review Tony! Keep up the good work! 👍🏻
Cheers Steve
Great review - - - There's a comfort seat and it looks better in black
Cheers
Nice one Tony as usual. As the guys below have said, great review.. Don’t think I’ll swap my Africa Twin, but this is a great value bike in comparison to the Adventure Sport. Incidentally mate, mine is a 2020 with DCT and electronic suspension and it did come with the cig lighter as standard. In my day, the joke was “As useful as an ashtray on a motorbike”, never mind a bloody electronic lighter. Who’da thunk it …. 😳🤣🤣🤣. I guess it was model specific on the AT then. Ride safe brother 👍
I wouldn't swap either! Yes, the 'standard' doesnt, thats what i should have clarified.
I agree, stupid idea with these running indicators lights.
Great review as always. This will suit a lot of riders
Thanks
I'm sure it's great, Just looks dull as dishwasher! Is this the New Dullsville? Like you jacket though Tony.
Ha, you’re not the first to make that observation. Cheers the leather jacket is from Goldtop
When I look at this bike the first question that comes to mind is if its “top heavy”?. Honda have a track record of doing this. The second question is “how long would it take before I became bored with this motorcycle?”. It seems like a perfectly nice, reliable (probably), well specified, but not exciting model. Its very Honda. I can see its potential as a good commuter motorcycle with the DCT gearbox, but I personally would want something different for the weekends.
I didnt find t top heavy, its less so than the Africa Twin. I think you're right, its very functional, but not very exciting.
Great review 👌👍😁 keep them coming
Thanks! Will do!
Great review - thanks! Not sure if this has been covered but I live in a medium size metro area in US Northwest. There are 3 Honda dealers in a 12 mile radius. None have any idea when/if this bike will be available and have no interest in making any effort to research. I have a BMW RT which I love but unless you live on the East or Left Coast reliable dealership (service & maintenance) is really spotty.
Thanks, no one has mentioned it so far. It’s always difficult to know what availability is like in different regions
Panniers are not standard here in Japan but price is almost the same, even though it’s built just an our from me… no sure what Japanese manufactures always do this to us, same thing with my tracer 900gt…
Panniers are not standard either here in Denmark. And they just bumped the price as well, so now I would have to pay almost 10% more than the advertised price. I'm passing on it until maybe next year.
The thing that kills it for me is I don't see the cruiser part of it. All I see is a duel sport with street tires only on it. Also is looks the same as the NC750X again with street tires as apposed to duel sport tires. The only thing I do like about it is that it has 42 more HP then the NC750X does otherwise I would class is as a duel sport still has I feel it's miss the cruiser look altogether.
I don't think they were aiming it as it as a cruiser, its more inteneded as a touring bike.
I have one question. So if I were to load this bike up to cross the US how much added weight can the bike hold. Important for riding long distances two up, and when the second rider wants to bring everything...
Nice panniers/internal bags. This bike will be popular amonst riders who are not concerned with image.
When did you get changed. I like the winter suit you had on at the beginning of the video. What is it, please?
First-class review, but what does scootch mean?
Indeed, unlike some I don't nip out for a couple of hours on the bike and film a review. I get to know it a little ride in different locations and conditions and film segments at a time. Often if the weather is similar i'll be wearing the same kit on different rides, but we've had spring, summer and winter all in a single week here recently!
To Scootch is to 'move a very small distance'...
Excellent review Thanks, no NT1100 in USA, what are they thinking?
Thanks, and yep no idea
As you have been a long term rider off the Africa Twin does the NT1100 offer the less ‘adventurously minded’ of us less sports tourer and more adventure tourer option ? As both a VFR1200 F and a 1200 Crosstourer owner I’m considering a move to ‘consolidate’ to a single bike garage in the next 12 months ?
Yes I think you've hit the nail on the head Jon. It was a point i was trying to roughly make, if you don't need the long travel suspension and extra height the Africa Twin has, this is a great alternative.
I enjoyed your review. I have a touring type bike and I find the screen does a pretty good job but when it get dirty i.e. all winter, it clags up meaning I cannot see through it at all. In fact it's damned dangerous. It can be adjust down but that requires undoing screws. When on the Honda do you look through or over the screen when it's up? I'm 5.10" and believe you are too hence my interest. Cheers.
When its fully up you definitely look through it
Great review, wish they did better colours or even Africa twin colours..
The AT colour schemes would look interesting
Hi. Great video... cheers. When I get one the missus will definitely be on the back, so it’d be good to have some feedback regarding comfort for the pillion passenger if you know where I could get some?? Anyway, thanks for a great video. Cheers, Bob
Cheers Bob, sadly I don't have a pillion I can take and quite often they are not insured on press bike insurance either.
Chain drive is a negative. I would go buy a Suzuki's vstrom 1000👍
Great review, Tony!!
Cheers Greg
Great review! Love your leather jacket!
Cheers, it’s a Goldtop 72 Easy Rider, there’s a link in the description
did you prefer this or the Vstrom 1050xt. both similar money?
cheers
I did actually yes, I found it had a slightly better riding position.
Thx! Great review! What can you say about the LED lights?
Call me crazy, but I still prefer my 2010 ST1300. Electric Windscreen, more power, and a smooth four cylinder.
I loved that ST1300. It was a heavy pig, but such a wonderful ride.
Well the CB1000 engine doesn’t have DCT which will be a prerequisite for this type of bike from Honda. Once this bike has been around for a couple of years I would be surprised to find a new 1300cc Pan-European introduced based on a upgraded VFR1200F/X which has a shaft and will be updated for Euro5 and slot in between the NT and the Goldwing.
Yes that’s true, and is why Honda went with the parallel twin. I think that’s what’s going to happen too
I have a 2014 NC750X DCT and was thinking about trading it in for the NT but to me the bike looks horrible in the flesh, it's big & bulky at the front with far to much plastic, I was hoping for a more street orientated / naked version. Lets hope that Honda will bring one out soon.
I don't think the chain will cause a lot of buys to overlook this bike, what other bikes have shaft drive in is this class? BMW RT, and the GS's that's it. Honda will not have a problem selling this bike.
Looks good but not stunning. Not riden one yet, but initial criticisms are; panniers can't accommodate a helmet; front mudguard is useless; colours as bland as can be. Windscreen can only be adjusted by hand and when stopped. Common Honda; it should be electric so it can be adjusted on the move as conditions change. Chain drive! Maybe I can live with a chain again?
All valid points, thanks
Great review of this road based derivative. Solid bike tho not everyone’s taste.
Thanks
I like AF AdvSport better, especially when riding twisty roads. The NT1100 has more "disappointing" wind noise on the highway, even with a 17-inch front it is heavier in turns. Think this is more for "older" riders who like straight roads. A big disappointment is that there is no room for a helmet in the panniers
Wondering if North America will get this model dropped in the USA for 2023? Any hints or clues?
Honda's Parallel Twin Engines are some of the best. I have a 1981 CM400 that runs like a new bike.
Its a fantastic unit, that and the DCT is why I think i love the Africa Twin as much as I do
As someone who has mounted many bikes and ridden ‘em long ‘n hard for over fifty years, I’m ready for a more . . . well, flaccid mount. To this end, as long as I have access to exciting bikes, the NT would be my next purchase. Would be my next bike, if I could buy one in North America. But, I can’t. So, it looks like it may the Suzuki S1000GT. Now, that K5 engine brings back memories! Did I ever tell you about the time . . . hey, told you I was an ol’fart . . .
😂😂
Love it, and great review (as always). Unfortunately, chain drive is a dealbreaker for me. If I were in the market for a sporty-ish tourer, I'd go for the FJR1300; otherwise, Goldwing for the win.
But the Goldwing costs a lot. It's the one I'd go for if I could.
@@1990-t1j I agree that it costs more; yet for touring, it’d likely be the last bike one would buy (see how I’m trying to justify the purchase? lol)
Chain drive also puts me off a bike for touring. I appreciate modern chains are durable etc but as someone who doesn't do chain adjustment (feel free to criticise me here) a shaft-drive is a godsend.
Now, as much as I like the GoldWing it is (IMO) a very specialised bike. Sure, great to get across a continent, but not so good on the curvy roads of the Scottish Highlands.
My ideal bike would be a shaft drive Honda NC 750-X DCT. But I'm not holding my breath waiting for one....
@@Peter-mcmcmc Get it,Peter. The DCT model.
@@1990-t1j if I were to buy a GW, I’d DEFINITELY go for the manual. I bought the Rebel 1100 in DCT when it was first released; owned it three months; rode it 1300 miles; and sold it. I simply missed shifting too much. Great bike, awesome engine…just too “disconnected” a feeling for me.
Thanks for your review! I've just had my X-ADV written off and need to get a new bike. A question that no one seems to have addressed - is this bike easily maneverable around town (Is filtering reasonably straight forward without the panniers?) I do a lot of urban driving as well as on A roads and motorways so before committing would like your opinion. Best, Jonny
Sorry to hear that, but yes it is. Filtering is no problem, and actually even with the panniers as they dont stick out too far
Well its time to label the NT for whatit is. Under engineered. yes a Honda that is under engineered. That is an amazing fact for a Honda. Honda has been surpassed by many bikes in this field and you cannot deny it. Its sized like many competitors Honda has attempted to include the bike into a category full of competition, like Triumph, Ducati, KTM and soon to hi the market Moto Guzzi. This bike is nothing short of below the competition in every department. The only advantage Honda has in selling these under achieving mounts is their reputation. There is only one area where this bike offers something the others do not andn that is the DSG transmission. What a shame and a bad effort by Honda.
Honda will be shattered by your critique 😂
Great review Tony (and I've seen some poor ones for this bike). I've just traded in my XADV for one of these but supply train holding up delivery. On the plus side I ordered it before the price rise on 01/04 so it's £400 cheaper than you quote here. For those who say it would be much better with shaft drive, well that may be the case but it would certainly add to the weight and cost. To counter that I would say that the centre stand makes chain maintenance much easier and a light oil after a couple of trips would see the chain last well in excess of 20k miles (+ it's more efficient). Thanks for the tip on the display!
That is a good bike plus cost is not that high. Perfect touring bike
I've just released a follow up video!
Nice one , great info but how does it stack up against the Suzuki GT 1200
The Suzuki is much more of a tradtional sports tourer. This is I would say a more relaxing bike to ride. But the suzuki is more of a thrill
Picking up mine today... Bought it without even getting hold of it. But hey, it's a Honda...?
Automatic screen would rise the price too much, like it this way 👍
I agree. Not only price, but weight. I like the idea of a power windscreen. I had one on an Indian. But once I found the right height for me, I never touched it again. But it’s still seems like a nice feature.
Good review I thought 👍On the point of Pillions, I think this is something lacking on bike reviews especially on bikes which are more likely to be used 2-up touring etc. I always have two test rides on new bikes, one for myself for the fun bits and if that's ok I then take the wife to get her perspective. If it's uncomfortable for her then it's no good as a touring bike for us.
Quite often the insurance on the press bikes doesn't allow for pillions, and my wife won't go anywhere near a bike anyway!
cool looking machine loaded with lot of tech but still not yappi and gimmick looking.....nice review, cheers V!
Thanks V
this or the tracer 9 gt?
Let your arse decide...and it's not the Yamaha... I did 800miles on Day 2 on mine, ring of fire there...reason I sold the Tracer 900,that and a sump that wouldn't go over a kerb!
Can they just bring back the ST1300? I still ride mine frequently, even after buying a GW DCT Tour.
The Pan European ship has sailed sadly. Its the NT1100 or Goldwing at the moment. But i'm sure your bike will keep going for many years to come
Never a big fan when these reviewers talk up a DCT transmission. If someone wants something like that, fine. I ride a motorcycle to be connected to the road and be outside. I can fine innumerable cages that are geared towards full comfort and have automatic transmissions (I've always owned manual transmissions myself).
DCT is optional! DCT a brilliant option for several reasons.
As a truck driver I still see the same luddites saying the same about trucks, auto all the way for me, especially on 1100mile days up through the USA...why make the job even more tiring...those guy's with their 18sp crash gearboxes, think it's a penis extension, it's not, it's a shrunken brain!
As a shorter GS owner I was interested in this bike and I like its looks! however, NT !! that reminds me of the DULVIL!! perhaps ST1100 would have taken older riders like me, who its targeted at, with it. remember the NT as a boring commuter ( or be a great bike for what its made for), old mans bike!! still a good bike! would I swap my GS1250 No!!
Baaaaaaaaaaaaa
I can’t stand the sound of the parallel twin. Yamaha doesn’t sound bad because if their 270 degree crank.
And chain drives are crazy on bikes like this. Belt drive or shaft. I am not messing with cleaning and lubing chains anymore.
This bike also has a 270 degree crank. Shaft drive does seem to be a big issue for this bike though from the feedback i've got
A while back you did an install of Denali lights on the Africa Twin using the Hex-ez-CAN. Do you think the set up will be the same on this NT1100?
I was thinking the same, and given the platform I'm pretty confident the ezCAN would work on this. I can't see Honda completely changing the ECU?
just a question, what is this black shadows moving from the top to the bottom of the TFT screen??? it shows like the TFT flashes all the time and the ''connection'' is not good. If it is real and not a ''play'' of the video is very annoyed.
It’s just some artifacts from the frame rate of the camera settings.
Seems like my opinion mirrors quite a few other large sport touring riders here. I absolutely love the look of the thing, but there’s 3 hard pass fails. I could get over the lack of a power windshield, but having to get off the bike to move it, major fail. Side panniers that don’t take a full face helmet, major fail. And chain drive on a bike marketed as a touring bike, major fail. Its a shame.
Totally agree
How did you setup your camera for those angles? I’m guessing it’s a GoPro setup?
I use a combination of GoPro, Insta360 and mirrorless cameras for the filming
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Great review and incredibly well presented. New follower here pal 👍
Thanks Sean, much appreciated
A good review.
@14:42 You don't even "need" a touring bike. It is about fun and 150 horses means more fun, especially on the Autobahn and Nürburgring.
Yep, I get that, but by the same token more horses doesn't necessarily mean more fun
Never ridden anything over 120bhp, never will...never felt the need on Scottish roads, if 120 can't get traction, why need more? And I've got a big boaby, I don't need to substitute it with anything, ha ha!
A serious tourer has a rear shaft drive, as in the Pan-European generations..
Why so much heavier than Africa twin?
Wow symmetrical headlight
I'll stick with a manual gearbox. For a helmet I'd replace the side paniers with a 56 litre Givi top box or the Honda one if it was large enough. I don't understand the 17" front wheel I thought Honda were moving away from. I'd prefer a shaft drive but atleast they've given the bike a centre stand. Overall it's a very good bike. I'd be happy with one.
They do a matching top box in the accessories to tie it all together.
Agree on the front wheel...looks too small?
Styling wise the biggest issue for me is it looks like a cross between a Honda car and a scooter - not helped by the dull, sorry, “conservative” colours. The pointless dual screens and messy controls show a lack of good rider interface design (BMW, KTM, Ducati and Triumph are much better). I don’t get the point about keeping costs down for not fitting a shaft - the Deauville wasn’t exactly expensive - it was more likely that as the AT is a chain drive it would have cost more than Honda was willing to pay to optimise the engine for a shaft. Honda also have a reputation for weighty bikes, so a shaft would have made things worse. Some like the DCT but I don’t and it’s interesting that no other manufacturer has bothered with it. To me it is truly a parts bin special - a confused mish mash of styles, all the elements to be a tourer without really being much good as a tourer (panniers too small, no shaft, no full fairing, screen you can’t adjust whilst riding, small plank sloped seat). I love Honda bikes and have owned many over the years, but it’s a no from me for the NT.
Styling is always going to divide opinion, some people say uts ugly, I think its just a bit dull. But in the metal it does look 'smart'. The dual screens are useful, as the navigation can utilise all of the big screen and you still have a speed reading and warning lights on the little one. Yep that was what I meant about costs, there would be a lot of expense to develop a shaft drive for the bike, its not just the cost of the part itself.
Other manufacturers did...when Marquez started winning all those titles, all MotoGP bikes went to seamless changing, just Honda have taken it to market so far!