Collins was a world class drummer, his work with Genesis shows this. He also drummed for everybody during his time, the likes of Clapton, Mark Knopfler, Peter Gabriel, Led Zepplain etc. He was a go to guy and very trusted. Collins himself said that he was a drummer who could sing, he never saw himself primarily as a singer.
As far as I know, Mr Collins head has not been severed. Nor is it laying proudly in Noel's fridge. Therefore, by his own admission, Noel Gallagher is a failure!
Doesn't matter what you think of his tunes, any drummer will tell you Phil is one of the Greats. I could happily just listen to the drum tracks of Gabriel's Genesis.
On his electro drum kit. Yeah right then! One of the great’s. You’re absolutely wrong there my man. Don’t think you’ll have many drummers saying that. He used an electric drum kit in the 80s!!’ That says it all. ✌️
@@Gavaldo one of the great british drummers especially in the gabriel genesis period without doubt, listen to selling england by the pound and come back to apologise for your stupid comment
You retard. Collins drummed for everybody in the 80s and he even performed with Jazz bands. His work with Genesis alone should tell people that he was a world class drummer.@@Gavaldo
Yes for years he was the drummer and backing singer for Genesis before Peter Gabriel left the band. People forget this. He was blamed for changing Genesis by becoming the singer but it was the late 70s and 80s that changed Genesis. Yes and Pink Floyd changed too.
I do believe that Noel and Phil both will be regarded as legendary songwriters. Look at how Oasis' reunion is selling and how excited other artists were that Oasis got back together.
I think Noel sort of missed the bit where he ceased to be the anti-establishment and became, well and truly, the establishment. Beyond that point, his bizarre compulsion to slag off the old guard, which some may have found vaguely charming when it was a cheeky upstart tilting at windmills, had lost any semblance of “punching up” and just looked like the weird and graceless bullying of elders that, in truth, it always was.
At least when Johnny Rotten did it, he was original. This Gallagher clown is just copying others' ideas. Was it him or his idiot brother who boorishly tried proclaiming they were bigger than god?
I'm a Noel fan, but have to say I agree with you here. The ceaseless punching down on elder musicians doesn't have the sense of youthful rebellion it once did. Not coming from a 57-year-old multi-millionaire.
The best part is that Phil was out there touring in a transit van while the Gallaghers were still in their nappies! Years of living out of a suitcase & collecting green shield stamps were the rock n roll foundation of his later success. The Gallagher bros think they invented rock n roll, but sadly, they've only re-gurgitated 60's music & gave it a punk edge. Throw in a bit of Uk flag waving and it sells. The price of their re-union tickets signifies that they too have become over-bloated and out-of-touch, everything they once thought about PC. Whatever anyone thinks of Phil Collins solo singles, he was one of the top ten drummers in the world, no question.
Oasis lost touch and lost their way long before this reunion. 2000's era Oasis were mostly bloated, irrelevant and sub-mediocre as a whole. They were only ever good in the 90's.
@@JJPwfelli As much as I love the music of Oasis I always thought they were, well, a bunch of tw*ts, and that was in their heyday, not when they became a bit mediocre and not at all the music they did in the first two albums. I think it sums it all up that he said what he did about Phill Collins when stoned and it just stuck. He'd have more respect from me if he'd just kept quiet about that artists of the past, whether he liked them or not, but I guess him and Liam just thought they were being clever. I wish Noel and Liam the best for the future and do hope they can stick it out and actually their world reunion tour, it'll be a sign that they've matured if they can finish it without one of them walking out after a massive falling out and having to cancel the rest of the tour. I do suspect though that this won't just be plain sailing.
Phil Collins gets a lot of disrespect from a number of sources historically. The guy was a fantastic drummer, song writer and front man. May be it's an age thing but the older I get the more I appreciate his music.
I have always liked him but preferred him with Genesis to his solo singles. He was a workaholic in the 80s and 90s and wanted to still make music when Genesis was having time off. Mike Rutherford had formed Mike and the Mechanics but wasn't the singer as he couldn't sing as well.
I remember watching PC on Room 101 and I thought he handled the Oasis thing with good humor - he didn’t stick the knife in when he could have done. People forget that around the time that episode of Room 101 aired people had in general grown tired of Noel’s rants and Liam’s behavior. A backlash of sorts against Oasis was underway then. Both Noel and Liam have calmed down a lot since then. The Oasis split humbled them a bit and both N&L had to start their separate careers in the music business. They split up long enough to become legendary to younger generations who weren’t around for the average albums and average shows. What goes around comes around for everyone. Phil Collins was a world wide superstar who cracked the USA which Oasis never did. I’m not a fan of PC music, but he was an incredible drummer who worked with some incredible artists. PC “problem” was that he was so successful that a huge backlash was inevitable - and Noel spearheaded that, which he might find tiresome today. All this started 30 years ago! Cool video.
Agree with all of that. If Noel and Liam had only done this kind of thing against Collins once or twice and only him then I'd have maybe let it go, but they did this a lot to many artists. Don't get me wrong I love their music, was a fan from the start, but as people, they thought it was clever, and I think egged on by certain sections of the press and at the height of lad culture I just think they thought their behaviours was acceptable. Even as a fan of the music I thought they were massive knobs, which came a culmination in them disrespecting their fans by falling out and cancelling concerts on the night and tours at very short notice towards the end. I hope they've matured a bit now and the reunion tour goes well and we can get some more great songs.
The issue with PC is that his music is bland, his drum sound is that awful gated sound, it sounds like a drum machine. Oasis may be bland as well, but they sound like real instruments being played by real people
The fact that Phil says he heard the music before he 'knew what these guys were like' and they've got some good tunes, just goes to show what a class act he is in comparison. The way they went on about him was classless and puerile.
To be fair Phil Collins is easily a musical tier above the likes of Noel. Not only was he a tremendous drummer and then singer for Genesis, his solo career was huge. I like Oasis but Noel is pretty much a one trick pony when it comes to musicality.
Oasis are scruffy druggie underclass tramps. Think they're edgy lads that can handle themselves. They'd get terrored on the fraggle wings. Scrawny addicts
I dunno about 'feud' noel ran his mouth off with some crappy comments Phil Collins seemed bemused by it all and kept his cool and Noel later backtracked on his comments? Phil Collins a truly great musician & singer. People love Phil Collins! Look at his sales figures ha ha, a worldwide star....
Noel Gallagher or Oasis could never put on a live show even a quarter as good as Phil solo or Genesis, he’s no where near their league and I think it’s actually jealousy like a lot of the artists were to Phil Collins, Gallagher talks out his ass
@@neilwilliams4420 if I remember during one of their Wembley gigs and Liam was balling things up noal said to the crowd,if you want something professional go watch Genesis 😊
I LOVE Oasis, I'm a fan who has scrap books of their newspaper cuttings for God sake. However, I always thought Noel was stupid saying what he did about Phil Collins. Collins has produced some incredible music and is a phenomenal talent. Noel was just using school boy bullying tactics to try to goad Collins and cause a few headlines. It's an example of Noel being a bit of a bell end really.
The thing about Phil is that he's a world respected musician, one of the top best selling artists of all time, done everything, played with everyone, spent ten years writing hit song after hit song after hit song, was the only person to play Live Aid on two continents and played a bum chord in front of millions of people. He produced or played on most of the greatest albums of the eighties, kept a second band going in Brand X, he's the most covered artist in rap, one of the greatest drummers to ever live, an electric performer, incredibly powerful singer, has won Grammys and Oscars, acted in films, raised well adjusted and talented kids despite his marital problems, saved Eric Clapton from drugs overdose, saved almost everyone who went through a bad breakup with his music, and is a multi multi millionaire. But when he talks, he's the most down to earth, gentle, decent cockney bloke who just enjoys making a bit of music with his mates, who became a singer completely by accident, who worked with everybody because he gets on with everybody and never let fame go to his head, and who works non stop because he's a workaholic to the point that he did the entire last Genesis tour on sticks because he can barely walk any more. Whereas Noel wrote a half decent tune once, got his brother to sing it and demanded that everyone bow to them for it forever more. Noel and Liam are ok now they've gotten older and realised it's not all about them, but they were right guppies when they were young.
We all experience every emotion, including hate, psychopaths and occasionally sociopaths, excluded. It’s just who is honest and speaks in good faith about what, who or when they hate. Everyone else is a hypocrite and/or a certified member of the categories who can’t experience such emotion. So, by logical deduction, we can at least assume Noel Gallagher is not a psychopath, and probably not a sociopath. Thankfully, I’m not embarrassed to tell people who, what or when I hate. The Kardashian’s, marmite and the 1950’s, for some examples, amongst others.
Early on, he realised that slagging off other musicians in the press was a good way to get column inches. He came unstuck, though, when he mildly criticised the choice of Jay-Z to headline Glastonbury.
He’s not a nice guy…. Strangely , he refers to himself as ‘mr London’ - he lived around Little Venice - I’ve met him , not a nice bloke - his brother Liam, might be a nutter , but waaay more polite and humble in person
@RodChamp-u9k yeah man, seems to me liam's soften up these couple of years as of noel just became a more unbearable arrogant prick (still love both tho)
It's kind of a compliment really. To take the top spot you have to topple the king. I'm not a huge Phil Collins fan but he was definitely riding high in the 80s (as was Sting) and Noel clearly saw them as the ones to beat. But they are all brilliant artists in their own right and longevity is the proof of the pudding.
I am reading Phil Collins biography Not Dead Yet and the reason he had so many hits was that he was a workaholic. While working in Genesis, he was in Brand X, plus he made his own records and toured as the drummer for Eric Clapton and Robert Plant and did many other projects like the Prince’s Trust. He also left England to live with his wife/Ex-wife and child who live in Switzerland.
People can rant about Phil all they want. But why not pick up some sticks and play the whole of Suppers Ready or the Lamb. I'm sure Noel was just a publicity genius. Doing a bit of Johnny Rotten to an eager press in the 90's. It was all about celebrity gossip back then. Noel is way too intelligent to criticise Phil on technical ability. I just think he enjoyed getting a rise out of people. Made good copy.
As an Oasis fan and a Collins fan, I think Noel was confusing the fact that 'Town Called Malice' nicked the main hook from the Supreme's 'You Can't Hurry Love' ... that was the only link with The Jam...
this is a good, balanced analysis. I don’t reckon the Noel-Phil Collins thing, was ever that serious… just mostly throwaway banter. From two English musicians.
Whereas the thing with Blur was obviously a concocted marketing ploy I don't think you can say this was the same. Noel didn't like Phil's music, which is fine, he's entitled to his own opinion, but it does seem he went on about it a bit too much, and the story about being in the bar in Mustique I think says it all. Just no need for it imo, just keep quiet. Maybe he was stoned every time he comments but just let it go. I did find it obnoxious how often they this, not just about Collins, but many artists. Love their music but as people not so much.
Gallagher shows he's been infected by all that Red Wedge crap from the mid 1980s after Neil Kinnock gave that group of youth brainwashing commies. an office in labour party HQ.
Noel has a chip on his shoulder. He's an average guitarist in the scheme of things and can hold a tune. But Phil was a world class drummer and excellent singer. Watch him when he was young. He was a fantastic front man. Funny and entertaining. Not static like Noel's brother. Noel has written great songs but pretty much the same chords. Phil was versatile. In The Air Tonight is rightly revered around the world and everyone stops for that drum roll. Noel needs to know his place.
Very intelligent, balanced and well-researched thank you. A very interesting story you've given us. I think it would benefit Noel Gallagher to apologise to a few people for the unkind things he's said about them...whether he was under the influence or not. Too bad he didn't do that with Michael Hutchence.
Some people hate Oasis for the same reason that others hate Phil Collins. Both seemed to be absolutely everywhere during their respective peak decades (the 90s and the 80s), so now their haters see them as avatars for everything that they hated about those decades.
Spinal Tap started off in SNL by four actors and then they made the mockumentary film This Is Spinal Tap. They were foremostly actors who could play musical instruments. That folk band was their side project and was the support act for them on tour. Imagine supporting yourself on tour. I thought the band was Anglo American but they were all US born actors playing English characters in a band together. It's like England is seen in the USA has having a monopoly on weird rock bands. While the UK has the Sex Pistols, the Who, Black Sabbath, Roxy Music, the Cure and Motorhead the USA has Van Halen, the Red Hot Chili Peppers and Motley Crue.
The egos have landed! I don't really care about their spat, but Noel Gallagher has a sense of humour and Phil Collins doesn't, so I'm more interested in listening to Gallagher's chat. Also, deriding the "boring old farts" wasn't new. Punk bands did it in 1976, referring to "Emerson Lake and Parker" (sic) as dinosaurs. It's just the natural arrogance of youth speaking and I'm OK with it.
Since Noel acknowledges he will end up looking like Phil, I’m looking forward to the day when he can still sell out stadiums and arenas while unable to play his instrument, or sing properly, or even stand up for the performance, while still receiving rapturous love and applause. Following the 2-decade character assassination by the British media and people like Noel, it warms my heart to see the ticket buying public show their enduring love for this man regardless
I've always liked Phil Collins as well as Oasis. "In the Air Tonight" is an iconic tune to me. And with Phil's health problems, it'd be nice if Noel could say a kind word or two about Collins. Doubt it will happen, though. Top-notch video as always.
I didn't like the way the eighties seemed to be just about making money and didn't buy any Phil Collins solo records but i have Genisis records and I think he's got a good voice, much better than either of the Gallaghers. He was also a great drummer with Genesis. I used to like Oasis as the music was ok to listen to but i don't think they're a patch on Genesis musically. I think typically people who have nothing to prove don't need to go mouthing of about others and just let their work speak for itself. Phil Collins proved himself in the seventies so i kind of think if he want's to make some money why not I mean he's not Rick Astley, people dont have to buy it. Oasis set out to make money copying the Beatles so it's not like they were just in it for the art. I was kind of dissapointed their tour sold out so quickly as I don't think they're that good. Phil Collins had at least the decency to say he quite liked Oasis recerds.
As a Phil fanboy, I need to make the note that if all you know by Phil is In The Air Tonight or Tarzan, I implore to just look up "Genesis - In The Cage Medley 1984" and let it run. I can blast You Can't Hurry Love as much as I can Cigarettes & Alcohol, we exist!!😂
Phil is loved in USA by edgy types like Eminem, Fugees etc. Stock aitkin & waterman were a lot more of a naff music problem than Collins. Oasis relied on controversy and hype instigated by McGee
Theres an interview somewhere where they play Noel The Silent Sun by Genesis, which he liked. Though he would only admit he liked it when he found out it was from 1968 and Phil had not joined the band yet. He went on to say he knows Peter Gabriel and thinks hes great. I'm not really a fan of Phils 80s output, though I cannot deny how good he was as a drummer.
I'm a huge long standing Genesis fan who doesn't much care for the solo output of Phil Collins, some of it is okay, but I never got excited about the majority of it!! That said, you can say what you want about Phil Collins, but unlike the brothers Gallagher, at least he hasn't given millions in royalty payments to a certain Mr. Paul Gadd, who continues to receive money as the Oasis song 'Hello' contains elements of one of Gadd's songs!! This is absolutely disgusting and outrageous, yet the brothers Gallagher don't seem to care about it!! In my opinion, this makes them complete scum!!
Well said, totally agree, although I've never heard anybody call out the Gallaghers for all the money they've gave and continue to give to the sick paedophile.
I remember Jarvis Cocker speaking about the broad influence the Beatles had on music generally on a 90s TV documentary. His comment something along the lines of "I dont think you can blame them for Phil Collins though.. "
The truth is that Phil wrote some absolutely timeless melodies that STILL stand to this day. He was and is a SUPERB musician. And that is all that really matters in the end. As for Noel, while he did admittedly write some great songs, and IS pefectly entitled to his opinions, there has always been a distasteful arrogance to him, compounded unfortunately by a rather childish pettiness. Just because he made it big DOESN'T make him an authority on anything, in fact when opens his mouth - and especially so during his earlier years - he often came across as a boorish loudmouth with a chip on his shoulder. He does seem to have mellowed to a degree over the years, which is good, but in the end, he needs to develop some perspective. While solid, Oasis are NOWHERE near as important a band as he seems to believe. And I say that as some who appreciates the early Oasis. He needs to get over himself.
Noel talks pure BS! He said he was listening to a Man City game when a news flash broke about the death of John Lennon, it was 9:00 in the morning when that happened there was no Man City game that day! Just one of many Fables!
Correct, I’m a City fan, we played Ipswich and Spurs either side of Lennon’s death but not on that day. I also think Lennon’s would have been the middle of the night in UK time
Phil doesn’t deserve the grief he’s endured over the years. An upstart will come for Noel some day
@@hoisin75 I'm sure he's coping 🙄
@ he can dry his tears with all the money.
I know it got to him though. It’s on record in a few places
Phil did nothing to Noel. There's no excuse for that sort of behaviour, not even if they think they're being cool or edgy.
@@david-spliso1928 it’s our weird British culture of knocking success, which did happen to Oasis too after 2 albums
now the gallaghers are the old dudes still trying hang out in the club 🤣
Phil Collins will leave a legacy that Oasis can only dream about, and they know it.
They claimed at one time to be better than the Beatles.
Definitely maybe 😁
I doubt that.
Apples and oranges.
Collins was a world class drummer, his work with Genesis shows this. He also drummed for everybody during his time, the likes of Clapton, Mark Knopfler, Peter Gabriel, Led Zepplain etc.
He was a go to guy and very trusted.
Collins himself said that he was a drummer who could sing, he never saw himself primarily as a singer.
Exactly this.
He a nice singer, to me,
Very genuine
I hope they reconcile and write a song together: Don't Look Back In the Air Tonight
Noel and Liam would get a number 1 with a cover of you can't hurry love
@@Tsa-SONGS-ABOUT-BEING-a-DAD ...So a cover of a cover?
@@mungofinalfi4480 oh yeah forgot it was a motowner!
Focus on Noel vs Liam first.
Phil is knackered these days
As far as I know, Mr Collins head has not been severed. Nor is it laying proudly in Noel's fridge. Therefore, by his own admission, Noel Gallagher is a failure!
And Oasis have little talent, 4 chord Beatle's formula jingles are not very appealing. Indy claims are a joke, Radio crap!...
Doesn't matter what you think of his tunes, any drummer will tell you Phil is one of the Greats. I could happily just listen to the drum tracks of Gabriel's Genesis.
One of the greats 😂
On his electro drum kit. Yeah right then! One of the great’s. You’re absolutely wrong there my man. Don’t think you’ll have many drummers saying that. He used an electric drum kit in the 80s!!’ That says it all. ✌️
@@Gavaldo one of the great british drummers especially in the gabriel genesis period without doubt, listen to selling england by the pound and come back to apologise for your stupid comment
You retard. Collins drummed for everybody in the 80s and he even performed with Jazz bands. His work with Genesis alone should tell people that he was a world class drummer.@@Gavaldo
@@GavaldoYou haven’t a clue what you’re on about.
You can’t tell me Noel doesn’t dance around his kitchen to ‘Easy Lover’ when he’s had a few
I don't think Noel even understands the concept of happiness... he's like concentrated essence of miserable cunt.
exactly...it is a great song....
Or he does due to the fixation he has with Phil
I love Phil but can't stand that tune. I struggle with Sussudio as well.
Noel started it by slagging on Phil.
Phil did more with Genesis and solo than NG could ever dream of.
Yes for years he was the drummer and backing singer for Genesis before Peter Gabriel left the band. People forget this. He was blamed for changing Genesis by becoming the singer but it was the late 70s and 80s that changed Genesis. Yes and Pink Floyd changed too.
And fusion band Brand X who were incredible
I do believe that Noel and Phil both will be regarded as legendary songwriters.
Look at how Oasis' reunion is selling and how excited other artists were that Oasis got back together.
I think Noel sort of missed the bit where he ceased to be the anti-establishment and became, well and truly, the establishment. Beyond that point, his bizarre compulsion to slag off the old guard, which some may have found vaguely charming when it was a cheeky upstart tilting at windmills, had lost any semblance of “punching up” and just looked like the weird and graceless bullying of elders that, in truth, it always was.
@fromchomleystreet
Noel’s knighthood is coming, I guarantee you that.
To be fair some old timers were a bit mean to them so they retaliated
At least when Johnny Rotten did it, he was original. This Gallagher clown is just copying others' ideas. Was it him or his idiot brother who boorishly tried proclaiming they were bigger than god?
You are definitely maybe a writer of some sort...that was beautifully put.
I'm a Noel fan, but have to say I agree with you here. The ceaseless punching down on elder musicians doesn't have the sense of youthful rebellion it once did. Not coming from a 57-year-old multi-millionaire.
Phil was petty good in the 70s as well, but that would go over Noel’s head as it’s a bit too complicated for him.
Facts
Personal attacks mean you already lost the argument.
Noel understands. He just has a different opinion. Deal with it.
@@thedude4672 Noel always attacked Phil personally.
Noel thought the charts belonged to only one particular age group. How very open minded of him.
Sorry, but Phil is Great
Have to agree, esp as a oldie at 52yrs now..when I was kid I didn't like him as he seemed fuddy duddy
The best part is that Phil was out there touring in a transit van while the Gallaghers were still in their nappies! Years of living out of a suitcase & collecting green shield stamps were the rock n roll foundation of his later success. The Gallagher bros think they invented rock n roll, but sadly, they've only re-gurgitated 60's music & gave it a punk edge. Throw in a bit of Uk flag waving and it sells. The price of their re-union tickets signifies that they too have become over-bloated and out-of-touch, everything they once thought about PC. Whatever anyone thinks of Phil Collins solo singles, he was one of the top ten drummers in the world, no question.
Phil Collins was without doubt one of the best drummers ever .
Oasis lost touch and lost their way long before this reunion. 2000's era Oasis were mostly bloated, irrelevant and sub-mediocre as a whole. They were only ever good in the 90's.
@@JJPwfelliIn your opinion
@@JJPwfelli As much as I love the music of Oasis I always thought they were, well, a bunch of tw*ts, and that was in their heyday, not when they became a bit mediocre and not at all the music they did in the first two albums. I think it sums it all up that he said what he did about Phill Collins when stoned and it just stuck. He'd have more respect from me if he'd just kept quiet about that artists of the past, whether he liked them or not, but I guess him and Liam just thought they were being clever. I wish Noel and Liam the best for the future and do hope they can stick it out and actually their world reunion tour, it'll be a sign that they've matured if they can finish it without one of them walking out after a massive falling out and having to cancel the rest of the tour. I do suspect though that this won't just be plain sailing.
Found Phil Collins UA-cam account. Hello Phil 👋
Phil Collins gets a lot of disrespect from a number of sources historically. The guy was a fantastic drummer, song writer and front man. May be it's an age thing but the older I get the more I appreciate his music.
I have always liked him but preferred him with Genesis to his solo singles. He was a workaholic in the 80s and 90s and wanted to still make music when Genesis was having time off. Mike Rutherford had formed Mike and the Mechanics but wasn't the singer as he couldn't sing as well.
Collins is levels above them fools 💯💯💯
No, he's not.
@TekkerzOOT ohhhh yes he is all the accolades prove it. Oasis 😂 Yeah right 😂 A poor man's Beatles
@@TekkerzOOTyes he is.
"You Either Die a Hero or Live Long Enough to See Yourself Become the Villain"
Noel is now Phil & Sting
Is No Phil or Sting
@@Beliefisthedeathofintellect Apart from financially.
@@byronfelson-sb2cy 😄💯
@byronfelson-sb2cy with a lil help from the fix it man. . Dirty sods 🤣
He can only dream to be Phil or Sting, both had successful solo careers unlike Noel lol
Noel schmoozing up to Tory B.liar in 1997 can never age well 😂
No one understood how bad Blair would be, not that I'd ever be seen in public with any establishment figure.
Noel is a prat
Your right'but blare was liebour tho. A total evil $h^t
I could see that at the time. I could see his children going off Oasis as they were no longer cool in the eyes of their classmates.
🕺 things ... can only get better 😂
Oasis fan, but I also enjoy Phil Collins. No shame in that.
At least 20 minutes on the naughty step though
@@imemine8605and a flogging
Oh, there is!!
Love Phil Collins. A lot of people just echo whatever Noel Gallagher thinks.
@@thegoodsgone1965 Do they? Before I even heard of Oasis, Collins music use to give me the sh**t's
I remember watching PC on Room 101 and I thought he handled the Oasis thing with good humor - he didn’t stick the knife in when he could have done. People forget that around the time that episode of Room 101 aired people had in general grown tired of Noel’s rants and Liam’s behavior. A backlash of sorts against Oasis was underway then. Both Noel and Liam have calmed down a lot since then. The Oasis split humbled them a bit and both N&L had to start their separate careers in the music business. They split up long enough to become legendary to younger generations who weren’t around for the average albums and average shows. What goes around comes around for everyone. Phil Collins was a world wide superstar who cracked the USA which Oasis never did.
I’m not a fan of PC music, but he was an incredible drummer who worked with some incredible artists. PC “problem” was that he was so successful that a huge backlash was inevitable - and Noel spearheaded that, which he might find tiresome today. All this started 30 years ago!
Cool video.
Cool man
Yep great post
Agree with all of that. If Noel and Liam had only done this kind of thing against Collins once or twice and only him then I'd have maybe let it go, but they did this a lot to many artists. Don't get me wrong I love their music, was a fan from the start, but as people, they thought it was clever, and I think egged on by certain sections of the press and at the height of lad culture I just think they thought their behaviours was acceptable. Even as a fan of the music I thought they were massive knobs, which came a culmination in them disrespecting their fans by falling out and cancelling concerts on the night and tours at very short notice towards the end. I hope they've matured a bit now and the reunion tour goes well and we can get some more great songs.
The issue with PC is that his music is bland, his drum sound is that awful gated sound, it sounds like a drum machine. Oasis may be bland as well, but they sound like real instruments being played by real people
@@JackBealeGuitar people can make great tracks with that sound - just not phil
The fact that Phil says he heard the music before he 'knew what these guys were like' and they've got some good tunes, just goes to show what a class act he is in comparison. The way they went on about him was classless and puerile.
Huh? I dig Phil, but he has said some really horrible things about others. Look it up.
Phil Collins is one of the greatest recording artist of all time, Gallagher isn't even on the list.
Actually, he is.
@@thedude4672 no sorry, Collins will go down as one of the greats.
Bro-
A bit rich coming from an artist who only knew 3 chords.
Technical skill doesn’t mean shit, punk bands shit on anything Phil.
As many as three? I’m impressed
@@AstroJenkinsAnd which are these bands that shit on anything Phil, and by extension on anything Genesis?
@@Zorgcho Simple, all of ‘em.
You apparently can't distinguish or count the chords used in a song.
To be fair Phil Collins is easily a musical tier above the likes of Noel. Not only was he a tremendous drummer and then singer for Genesis, his solo career was huge. I like Oasis but Noel is pretty much a one trick pony when it comes to musicality.
More like a one 'nick' pony, cos if you've got a riff or a half decent tune, he'll nick it and claim it as his own ha ha
I disagree.
You're comparing apples and oranges
I mean Peter Gabriel led Genesis with Collins on drums and backing vocals were one of the best bands ever
Collins is one of the greats when it comes to progressive drumming
True
I find his hatred of Collins funny now because Noel's latest album sounds a lot - musically and lyrically - like Collins music.
Love your channel. Love the mini documentaries. Very listenable, chilled and informative!! Great work
Phil is miles better than the Beatles tribute band Oasis
Exactly!!! Talentless and using a Beatle's type formula, 4 chords of radio tripe.
At least he is original and hard working.
Oasis are scruffy druggie underclass tramps. Think they're edgy lads that can handle themselves. They'd get terrored on the fraggle wings. Scrawny addicts
Not even Beatles tribute. Stone Roses rip off
@@epec20 your still to kind to the twats😅
I dunno about 'feud' noel ran his mouth off with some crappy comments Phil Collins seemed bemused by it all and kept his cool and Noel later backtracked on his comments? Phil Collins a truly great musician & singer. People love Phil Collins! Look at his sales figures ha ha, a worldwide star....
Noel Gallagher or Oasis could never put on a live show even a quarter as good as Phil solo or Genesis, he’s no where near their league and I think it’s actually jealousy like a lot of the artists were to Phil Collins, Gallagher talks out his ass
@@neilwilliams4420 if I remember during one of their Wembley gigs and Liam was balling things up noal said to the crowd,if you want something professional go watch Genesis 😊
I LOVE Oasis, I'm a fan who has scrap books of their newspaper cuttings for God sake. However, I always thought Noel was stupid saying what he did about Phil Collins. Collins has produced some incredible music and is a phenomenal talent. Noel was just using school boy bullying tactics to try to goad Collins and cause a few headlines. It's an example of Noel being a bit of a bell end really.
Definitely.
He didnt even though of plenty people attending Oasis gigs went at Phil's too.
Phil Collins is multi dimensional in his craft... Noel just feels intimidated by that talent .
The thing about Phil is that he's a world respected musician, one of the top best selling artists of all time, done everything, played with everyone, spent ten years writing hit song after hit song after hit song, was the only person to play Live Aid on two continents and played a bum chord in front of millions of people. He produced or played on most of the greatest albums of the eighties, kept a second band going in Brand X, he's the most covered artist in rap, one of the greatest drummers to ever live, an electric performer, incredibly powerful singer, has won Grammys and Oscars, acted in films, raised well adjusted and talented kids despite his marital problems, saved Eric Clapton from drugs overdose, saved almost everyone who went through a bad breakup with his music, and is a multi multi millionaire.
But when he talks, he's the most down to earth, gentle, decent cockney bloke who just enjoys making a bit of music with his mates, who became a singer completely by accident, who worked with everybody because he gets on with everybody and never let fame go to his head, and who works non stop because he's a workaholic to the point that he did the entire last Genesis tour on sticks because he can barely walk any more.
Whereas Noel wrote a half decent tune once, got his brother to sing it and demanded that everyone bow to them for it forever more.
Noel and Liam are ok now they've gotten older and realised it's not all about them, but they were right guppies when they were young.
It helps to remember Noel is a tosser who got lucky as a plagiarist who reworked the sixties and seventies .
Noel Gallagher is a certified hater 😭😭😭
We all experience every emotion, including hate, psychopaths and occasionally sociopaths, excluded. It’s just who is honest and speaks in good faith about what, who or when they hate. Everyone else is a hypocrite and/or a certified member of the categories who can’t experience such emotion.
So, by logical deduction, we can at least assume Noel Gallagher is not a psychopath, and probably not a sociopath. Thankfully, I’m not embarrassed to tell people who, what or when I hate. The Kardashian’s, marmite and the 1950’s, for some examples, amongst others.
Early on, he realised that slagging off other musicians in the press was a good way to get column inches.
He came unstuck, though, when he mildly criticised the choice of Jay-Z to headline Glastonbury.
He’s not a nice guy…. Strangely , he refers to himself as ‘mr London’ - he lived around Little Venice - I’ve met him , not a nice bloke - his brother Liam, might be a nutter , but waaay more polite and humble in person
@RodChamp-u9k yeah man, seems to me liam's soften up these couple of years as of noel just became a more unbearable arrogant prick (still love both tho)
@@RodChampersMet him before in Dublin in a hotel gave me and my family 6 tickets for the gig that night in the point depot so who knows
It's kind of a compliment really. To take the top spot you have to topple the king. I'm not a huge Phil Collins fan but he was definitely riding high in the 80s (as was Sting) and Noel clearly saw them as the ones to beat. But they are all brilliant artists in their own right and longevity is the proof of the pudding.
I am reading Phil Collins biography Not Dead Yet and the reason he had so many hits was that he was a workaholic. While working in Genesis, he was in Brand X, plus he made his own records and toured as the drummer for Eric Clapton and Robert Plant and did many other projects like the Prince’s Trust. He also left England to live with his wife/Ex-wife and child who live in Switzerland.
I like phil's voice, and he had some bangers that are timeless, I cant listen to Wonderwall and get goosebumps like i do with, i the air tonight.
People can rant about Phil all they want. But why not pick up some sticks and play the whole of Suppers Ready or the Lamb. I'm sure Noel was just a publicity genius. Doing a bit of Johnny Rotten to an eager press in the 90's. It was all about celebrity gossip back then. Noel is way too intelligent to criticise Phil on technical ability. I just think he enjoyed getting a rise out of people. Made good copy.
I could see tiffs starting to brew between the Gallaghers on tour and Noel telling Liam to save the row for their airport or press conference.
As an Oasis fan and a Collins fan, I think Noel was confusing the fact that 'Town Called Malice' nicked the main hook from the Supreme's 'You Can't Hurry Love' ... that was the only link with The Jam...
it doesnt it steals its hook from :ready for love" by martha reaves and the vandallas. and once you hear it you will know.
„What’s your favourite dinosaur?“
„Phil Collins“
lmao
LOL I once got a three year relationship out of that chat-up line.
Who are your favourite dinosaurs?
Oasis
Phil Collins is a good guy, down to earth and you could have a chat with him over a pint
this is a good, balanced analysis. I don’t reckon the Noel-Phil Collins thing, was ever that serious… just mostly throwaway banter. From two English musicians.
Whereas the thing with Blur was obviously a concocted marketing ploy I don't think you can say this was the same. Noel didn't like Phil's music, which is fine, he's entitled to his own opinion, but it does seem he went on about it a bit too much, and the story about being in the bar in Mustique I think says it all. Just no need for it imo, just keep quiet. Maybe he was stoned every time he comments but just let it go. I did find it obnoxious how often they this, not just about Collins, but many artists. Love their music but as people not so much.
Noel Gallagher is Irish.
@@folksurvivalHe didn't look very Irish with that Union flag guitar.
Gallagher shows he's been infected by all that Red Wedge crap from the mid 1980s after Neil Kinnock gave that group of youth brainwashing commies. an office in labour party HQ.
@@THEJAM-EATERSMeans nothing
Noel has a chip on his shoulder. He's an average guitarist in the scheme of things and can hold a tune. But Phil was a world class drummer and excellent singer. Watch him when he was young. He was a fantastic front man. Funny and entertaining. Not static like Noel's brother. Noel has written great songs but pretty much the same chords. Phil was versatile. In The Air Tonight is rightly revered around the world and everyone stops for that drum roll. Noel needs to know his place.
Very intelligent, balanced and well-researched thank you. A very interesting story you've given us. I think it would benefit Noel Gallagher to apologise to a few people for the unkind things he's said about them...whether he was under the influence or not. Too bad he didn't do that with Michael Hutchence.
Another great video James
met colins on leeds railway station seemed a great bloke
I am a big Oasis fan, but the way Noel Gallagher treated Phil Collins, especially in Mustique, was disgraceful.
It might help if Noel recognised Collins part in the Prog Rock movement of the late sixties, which was a bit more inovative than rock and roll.
Some people hate Oasis for the same reason that others hate Phil Collins.
Both seemed to be absolutely everywhere during their respective peak decades (the 90s and the 80s), so now their haters see them as avatars for everything that they hated about those decades.
Massive Indie guitar fan, but Phil Collins has always been a fantastic musician
Spinal Tap started off in SNL by four actors and then they made the mockumentary film This Is Spinal Tap. They were foremostly actors who could play musical instruments. That folk band was their side project and was the support act for them on tour. Imagine supporting yourself on tour.
I thought the band was Anglo American but they were all US born actors playing English characters in a band together. It's like England is seen in the USA has having a monopoly on weird rock bands. While the UK has the Sex Pistols, the Who, Black Sabbath, Roxy Music, the Cure and Motorhead the USA has Van Halen, the Red Hot Chili Peppers and Motley Crue.
Noel slagged off George Michael for not coming out in the 89’s. Bit of a nasty cu🤡nt back in the day
Liam loved George Michael
It was difficult to come out in the 80s.
Noel is still bitter that Phil wouldn’t let him polish his shoes once in 1982. Phil was just trying to be respectful.
My 2 favourite bands, Oasis and Genesis. What a conflict of interest !
Noel did say in one of his Q&As with Matt Morgan that a song he likes from an artist he hates is ‘In the Air Tonight’ Phil Collins
The egos have landed! I don't really care about their spat, but Noel Gallagher has a sense of humour and Phil Collins doesn't, so I'm more interested in listening to Gallagher's chat. Also, deriding the "boring old farts" wasn't new. Punk bands did it in 1976, referring to "Emerson Lake and Parker" (sic) as dinosaurs. It's just the natural arrogance of youth speaking and I'm OK with it.
The one hit wonders are no match for Phil
"Can't Hurry Love" is a cover of an old Supremes song.
I’ve always said that’s why Noel didn’t like Tony in the original line up, Tony looked up to Phil Collins 👀
Since Noel acknowledges he will end up looking like Phil, I’m looking forward to the day when he can still sell out stadiums and arenas while unable to play his instrument, or sing properly, or even stand up for the performance, while still receiving rapturous love and applause. Following the 2-decade character assassination by the British media and people like Noel, it warms my heart to see the ticket buying public show their enduring love for this man regardless
Obviously Noel never heard selling england by the pound❤
I've always liked Phil Collins as well as Oasis. "In the Air Tonight" is an iconic tune to me. And with Phil's health problems, it'd be nice if Noel could say a kind word or two about Collins. Doubt it will happen, though. Top-notch video as always.
A lot of people forget Phil was one of the greatest rock drummers ever long before he started singing. Massive talent
I wonder how labour s working for Liam now?
Monobrow is a bit of a weapon. He's also a Starmer fan-boy apparently. 🤣
Very smart of you to add that "so far" at the end of the title
Noel hates any band or solo artist that knows more than 5 chords.
More than 3
i wondered who would replace blur in the marketing campaign called Feud of the Bands 2024 edition. the PRRRRESS loves it
Name a tune of Noel, without oasis, I cant
best short comment that sums it all 💪
The Right Stuff.
Phil’s alright, but he’s certainly a bit gay.
Holy Mountain
Oasis is McDonalds music
I think the critique of Collins is a bit unfair but Collins standing in for Lennon was a hideous idea.
Phils played with all the greats and cannot be knocked. Its was just noel trying to be punk in the early days and be a rebel
Noel is an hilarious guy. But Phil Collins created some all time great singles, as well as being one of the Top 3 drummers in History.
Nevertheless, Phil’s a bit gay though, isn’t he?
I've been waiting for this one! So, is Noel actually a David Essex or Men at Work fan?
Brilliant video James! I guess Noel doesn't realise a majority of people are laughing at him, not.....etc
I didn't like the way the eighties seemed to be just about making money and didn't buy any Phil Collins solo records but i have Genisis records and I think he's got a good voice, much better than either of the Gallaghers. He was also a great drummer with Genesis. I used to like Oasis as the music was ok to listen to but i don't think they're a patch on Genesis musically. I think typically people who have nothing to prove don't need to go mouthing of about others and just let their work speak for itself. Phil Collins proved himself in the seventies so i kind of think if he want's to make some money why not I mean he's not Rick Astley, people dont have to buy it. Oasis set out to make money copying the Beatles so it's not like they were just in it for the art. I was kind of dissapointed their tour sold out so quickly as I don't think they're that good. Phil Collins had at least the decency to say he quite liked Oasis recerds.
As a Phil fanboy, I need to make the note that if all you know by Phil is In The Air Tonight or Tarzan, I implore to just look up "Genesis - In The Cage Medley 1984" and let it run.
I can blast You Can't Hurry Love as much as I can Cigarettes & Alcohol, we exist!!😂
Heard about GENESIS Noel .? Make OASIS look like amateurs .
Dunno why Noel needs to be like that? Phils a person and not a bad guy
So Collins figuts back and Noel wimps out and backs down. Lol
Thank you for this video. I love both Oasis and Phil (and Genesis), I don't care if they always hated each other, I love their music.
@@willyc.8141 as it should be
He’s said ‘In the Air Tonight’ is a great song
Phil Collins is my boy. But to be fair who calls a band ‘Wet wet wet’. That’s like calling a band ‘Bland bland bland’.
You've obviously never got a woman wet then. :) Only joking, but wet surely has very different connotations to bland.
What was a bigger mistake You can’t hurry love or going to number 10 with that odious ex PM ?
I remember back in the day of Melody Maker, the Jam had 7 songs in the charts.
They used to show the top 75 back then .
Phil is loved in USA by edgy types like Eminem, Fugees etc. Stock aitkin & waterman were a lot more of a naff music problem than Collins.
Oasis relied on controversy and hype instigated by McGee
Just looked it up…Urban Renewal a tribute album by top black artists of the 00s from ODB to Pharell
Theres an interview somewhere where they play Noel The Silent Sun by Genesis, which he liked. Though he would only admit he liked it when he found out it was from 1968 and Phil had not joined the band yet. He went on to say he knows Peter Gabriel and thinks hes great. I'm not really a fan of Phils 80s output, though I cannot deny how good he was as a drummer.
Great video, James and you beat me to it by using the favourite dinosaur line about Phil Collins. 😂
Thank you for your content. Peace and love
I'm a huge long standing Genesis fan who doesn't much care for the solo output of Phil Collins, some of it is okay, but I never got excited about the majority of it!!
That said, you can say what you want about Phil Collins, but unlike the brothers Gallagher,
at least he hasn't given millions in royalty payments to a certain Mr. Paul Gadd, who continues to receive money as the Oasis song 'Hello' contains elements of one of Gadd's songs!!
This is absolutely disgusting and outrageous, yet the brothers Gallagher don't seem to care about it!!
In my opinion, this makes them complete scum!!
Well said, totally agree, although I've never heard anybody call out the Gallaghers for all the money they've gave and continue to give to the sick paedophile.
I remember Jarvis Cocker speaking about the broad influence the Beatles had on music generally on a 90s TV documentary. His comment something along the lines of "I dont think you can blame them for Phil Collins though.. "
apparently Phil Collins has massive respect from black artists in America and is viewed more naf in the UK than in the USA
"Take Me Home" by Phil Collins is unbelievably good!
Noel is the modern day Phill Collins and Liam is the modern day Val Doonican
😂😂😂😂😂
@lcc8394 Val Doonican has more talent than Liam
@lcc8394. And Dave Grohl is the modern Max Bygraves.
Oasis was one hit wonder
The truth is that Phil wrote some absolutely timeless melodies that STILL stand to this day. He was and is a SUPERB musician. And that is all that really matters in the end. As for Noel, while he did admittedly write some great songs, and IS pefectly entitled to his opinions, there has always been a distasteful arrogance to him, compounded unfortunately by a rather childish pettiness. Just because he made it big DOESN'T make him an authority on anything, in fact when opens his mouth - and especially so during his earlier years - he often came across as a boorish loudmouth with a chip on his shoulder. He does seem to have mellowed to a degree over the years, which is good, but in the end, he needs to develop some perspective. While solid, Oasis are NOWHERE near as important a band as he seems to believe. And I say that as some who appreciates the early Oasis. He needs to get over himself.
The streets won't forget the DJ called "Pill Collins"
Noel talks pure BS! He said he was listening to a Man City game when a news flash broke about the death of John Lennon, it was 9:00 in the morning when that happened there was no Man City game that day! Just one of many Fables!
Correct, I’m a City fan, we played Ipswich and Spurs either side of Lennon’s death but not on that day.
I also think Lennon’s would have been the middle of the night in UK time
Anyone would think Noel Gallagher was an innovator. All that noise is classic projection; the bloke is clearly referring to himself.
Frankly Noel Gallaghers achievements and musical talents falls woefully short of Collins’.