Mazda RX-7 FD vs Honda S2000 - Nürburgring Nordschleife Battle
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2024
- Mazda or Honda? Turbo or Supercharger? Luckily for you, no need to choose because this video features both! Kostas' big single turbo FD and the white S2000 of Andrea, that now spots an HKS supercharger, take you for a beautiful afternoon lap around the Nordschleife. Turn up the volume and enjoy the flamework!
If you aren't familiar with our Project FD, nicknamed the RingDorito, make sure you check the previous episodes! Playlist link here: • [RingDorito] We Bought...
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Coasting and driving with both hands? ~Closes vid after 45 sec~
No joyful car part unboxing either. 0/10 would not come to comments to complain about coasting again.
The Ring is all about 1 handed drifting, bro! You ain't nothing if you ain't drifting the whole track at 200-kph! :P
That was our plan (drift the whole circuit, illegally, on TF) but apparently the viral stunt was performed better earlier this year so... back to the drawing board.
Do the Drift Police chase you down in Audis? Because we all know those can only ever understeer ;)
Did someone say Audi? *leaves room*
Thie Mazda rx7 is probably the best looking Japanese Car.
It's shit ugly
subarolla your taste is probably shit ugly
I think so too
It was designed with passion
subarolla Go back to elementary school.
some serious eletronic glitching on that Rx
We know, we know. It's getting addressed as we speak.
@@OneLapHeroes what is the problem?
@@GTFour 4:04
I too have random bits of driving technique criticism from the comfort of my desk.
Also, thanks for the video! Lovely music.
You are quite correct. We didn't clarify it because we thought people would get it.
This is by no means an ultimate lap. The car is VERY powerful. It has the STOCK original shocks with lowering springs and the stock brake system. To say it is handful is... an understatement.
We would also like to give Zannos shit and enjoy the 'coasting'-brigade but if you follow enough you know the guy can drive. Stick around and we will eventually sort the car and trust us, if it doesn't bankrupt us completely, some cool things are coming in the future!
This sounds like it needs to be pinned as a separate comment. On the other hand, these comments shouldn't mean you should have to jump to defend Zannos, but rather people should learn not to jump the gun and do the old keyboard faceroll. Unfortunately, this is a Nordschleife video, and this is the Internet!
There is still hope for humanity and the Internet!
With this lovely thing running around the Nordschleife, you might just be right! Also, I really hope the project goes well, και εύχομαι να σου δώσει όση χαρά όσο τη δουλειά που μπαίνει.
cant wait for it
Dude, the rotary turbo sounds wicked! Now you just made me want to buy a FD..... when I got the money for it
That screamer, those flames. I love Single turbo FD. 💦
We weren't sure but we are slowly felling for it...
Can't wait to see the car sorted!
Nice lateral G-force meter hanging from the mirror..........thanks for posting !
Its very advanced and accurate ^_^
High end stuff.
Can I just add some extra sauce here...?
The gearing of the RX7 can deceive the viewer and lessen the whole viewing experience.
Just for reference, for the inexperienced with the gearbox of the car, 4th gear at the limiter makes for 220 - 230kmh.
The S2K needs 6th gear to reach that, which means 2 extra gear changes, which means more action and more fun.
What can be perceived as coasting is actually approaching the corner with something between 180 - 200 kmh and thinking whether the barrier will hold the car or the Dorito will go deer hunting in the Eiffel mountains, if the brakes block!!!
In other words the driver is sensible and doesnt treat the car like some bmw's at the ring. Also thanks for the insight
Like what coolguy said. people tend to try and over drive especially on the ring.
Yea I always wondered that. People say rotary/rotaries? are meant to rev but FD's have such long gearing. You'd think they would atleast put a smaller final drive from the factory. Is it a common mod?
The gearing has nothing to do with how he drives.
The car has more than enough power, you can see that every time he closes in on the S2000 or pulls away from it. The aerodynamics also look like it give the car more than enough grip around the corners.
He really just utilises about half of the capabilities his car has, nothing more and nothing less. Talking about the gearing here is just a bad excuse.
Nope. S2000 reaches no problem 230 on 5th. Sadly.
Good driving mate, very sensible and fast. It's not always bad to coast, especially at 200+. Better than being on the throttle right until the braking zone and driving on the limit for no reason. You get to get out there and have a great day and not push so hard you are going to crash. Worst thing to do when you have a car with so many hours put into it is write it off. Car looks like very well sorted and lots of fun. All the best, happy racing!
Ditto.
9 eargasmic minutes of pure brap
8:10 🔥 LoL 😂 love it... Look in the rear view mirror
Plenty of flame action in the rear view mirror. Interesting to watch through the whole lap...
OneLapHeroes I'll watch it again and try not to look at the front view. I'm pumped to watch your laps. Please post as many as you can. Did you know that the FD RX-7 was developed on the NüR ? When they got it back to Japan, they quickly realised that at low speeds the intake system would suck air from the inside of the engine bay, through the intercooler thus heating up the intake air and the intercooler. This is why the later version nose-cone has the 'letter box' slot cut into it, to allow fresh air in from in front of the car.
Rx7 has more power but the driver is better in the s2000 pushing harder in the corners
Shaeer Hassan feels like the rx7 has low grip level . Probably the 2000 was so much easier to push near limit
the fd has longer gear ratios while the s2k has shorter more aggressive gears making it look like there's more action to it but the difference in speed has little gap. however, the s2k's shorter gears make it possible to maintain high in revs and power.
Honda
Because the s2k is using supercharger while the rx7 use turbo that will produce so much torque which make it hard to handle in the corner. Supercharger is really useful in the road like this because the power delivery curve is almost same like n.a engine
@@ipo7596 it is because the rx7 are using turbo while the s2k are using supercharger. But, as you mention , shorter gear is one of the factor that contribute to the faster cornering too.
Ah the FD and the S2000
on torque and power bands, both are fairly similar cars due to everything on the top end. Both require an intermerdiate or advanced type of driver to completely take advantage of the both car's excellent handling and beefy power figures. I can see that the S2000 seems to have a better suspension setup and the FD playing it safe by keeping it on a stable racing line. I'd say if both cars have the same power figures, suspension and tires, it'd be an equal match to one another and the result will be put into the hands of which car has the better driver.
For a stock suspension FD, the driver played it safe, going for consistensy instead of pushing the car into a limit where it might get unstable in mid or near exit in corners. If he can do a solid time on a stock suspension, on a set up aftermarket suspension he'll be... yeah..
Kudos and Great Driving
Thanks for posting this 👌
Open video. Spot the dude driving TF with Racing Gloves. Close video immediately. 10/10
This might be the best comment of the video but we are not certain how well Serxio will take being unpinned...
I want to look like you! You are my true and only inspiration! You get me a testing seat in a race car and I promise to never wear them in TF again! ^_^
ua-cam.com/video/XHFy3YWpRx8/v-deo.html@@kzannos
Bravo ρε μαγκα ωραιο το ροτορι σου.Παντα καλα,απροβληματιστα,γρηγορα και ασφαλη χιλιομετρα να εχεις ευχομαι!!!
Thankfully theres no distracting Dubstep or any music at all. I had this playing while I was driving....obviously not watching but listening to the beautiful symphony of the 13B.....and the BOV sounds
Who doesn't like the sound of a blown rotary at full chat???
Love how the driver blasts the car out of the corners, at the right time, spinning the wheels and bouncing on the rev limiter….. 💥🔥🌪️…..boosting that baby with confidence 👌🏻. Nice driving! My dream car is the RX-7
Great vid. You seem to be enjoying yourself.
It's like engine opera !
Nice FD!!
Excellent driving sir!
More videos please!!
That's the spirit!!
We are trying to make as many as possible but life has different plans :P
That flame at 4:47 😍
Thanks for the video guys !
She looks like an absolute handful! Nice driving dude.
Thank you UA-cam for putting this in my recommendations because this video is amazing. Nice work for both drivers.
Greek plates on that RX7?where are you from?
Probably Greece? 🤷♂️
@@jonasjonesy He should bring that beast back here then!🤣
Greek from Athens, living and working at Spa and the Ring. The beast cannot be tamed in Greece I am afraid! Its too limited by our tracks there...
megara for short dick men?
Και το s2k ελληνικο ειναι??
Everybody is an armchair race car driver in youtube, but real driving takes skill, practice, experience, and having a great understanding of a car's dynamics.
This was so epic. And hahaha at 4:09 yelling at your car when it fuel starve,just like I've done
Thanks for sharing. Love those big fireballs between gears. I sure hope you could see more than us when the sun was full in view :)
That sound when she revs! The sound of love!
When the FD redlines tho. Such an orgasmic sound
Seems ECU and digital dash random resets and cut the engine, like 4:04 ..bad wiring loom?
Correct, there is an issue either with some grounding or at the loom somewhere that we cant figure out easily.
Will be sorted by the beginning of the new season as the car is hopefully going to have a new wiring look made over winter.
And seems not only ECU, but tips a driver too, for mishits and mystique cornering where S2K just smashed him! )))
That passenger though got some guts....not 1 whimper...shudder....sequel...nor scream for dear life
New Video HYPE 😍
If you have never driven one of these, you will not know how hard they are to handle!
Oh that's awesome. I love my S2k but that RX is badass! Keep up the videos!
Both cars are true JDM diamonds!
@@kzannos Well said!
Rx7 probably weighs the same or less and has 200hp on the s2k. I have a s2000 and seriously have been in love with it for almost 5 years now.
More or less same weight. S2000 is supercharged and roughly 100 hp down. RX-7 driver used to have (and track) an S2000 for years.
So, with a S2000 and a RX-7 the question is... will they be joined by a Supra MK IV and a good old Skyline as well?
MadIIMike no fuck supras and gtrs those aren’t the same performance as s2000s and fd’s those are straight line drag cars lol, look at all the hot version races no supras or gtrs get close to the top of the leaderboard, the fastest cars on the touge are the js racing s2k and the feed fd. in my opinion the s2000 is really the fastest one, js racing car has 100 hp less than the feed car and it has a 4.1 final drive whereas the feed fd has a 4.77 final drive, with that much shorter gearing and an extra hundred hp the and both cars are neck and neck when they race the s2k is the true winner.
There is a MKIV Supra in the close OLH circle but we highly doubt the owner is keen to give it the OLH treatment. Manos?
@OLH What could possibly go wrong? 😅
@wuz beast Touge is quite different from a normal racetrack and the Nordschleife is a whole different story... I sometimes watch those videos, too, but it's really more entertainment than actual racing.
That said, I don't think OLH would mind a few seconds theoretical difference in Laptime between the cars.
@MadllMike , I wouldn't mind swapping the RX7 with a nice R34 or a beast Supra when it has served its purpose! I have a thing for all these JDM legends that I can resist!
wuz beast well look up supra onboard and you will see one wich is twice as fast as this fd..
S2000 🤤F1 inspired...
S2k is more fast in the corner while rx7 is more fast at the straight line. This is because that s2k is using supercharger which make it more easy to handle since the power delivery curve is almost same like naturally aspirated engine. While that rx7 is at disadvantage because that car is using turbo which is pretty bad since turbo will give you so much torque that will make the car more harder to control. Balance = supercharger, Drag race = turbo. Supercharger give more benefit in the road like this. Low torque mean you can open up the throttle more when exit a corner
Good comment but S2000 has a better chassis than most cars ever made. Including rx7
Wow just wow! I wish I had that much confidence in my cars mechanical grip.
Just a first taste. There is much more in the car and hopefully we will explore it in future videos!
Damn that sun though on a slick track don't wanna miss shifts and braking points that's for sure that's on my bucket list to do a lap there
Life is too short! So make a plan and start crossing off bucket list stuff before its too late!!!
We are always around here, so come by and say hi when you decide to come :)
So a capable under 8 car... ;) with ecu problems and traffic to deal...
A proper lap can get you under 8 or 8 flat i believe!!!
This is for sure an under8 car. We just need Kostas to up his game a bit and stop coasting! :P
pretty sure...
@@OneLapHeroes and rev matching
You can tell this guy loves his apexes, hes driving it like a 2 stroke!
Amazing piece of driving, and what an amazing car
That RX7 engine is a work of art, keeps up with the S2000 off throttle coasting half the time. Would love to see a pro driver in this car
What was up with the spluttering under load every now and then? Absolutely great video
If you are referring to some cuts of power then these are due to electrical gremlins as mentioned above.
can't wait to see this on an uninterrupted flat out lap :o
Coming one of these days.
much props to the driver in the s2000 for doing so well against a built rx7
Both cars are plenty fast (supercharged S2000, single turbo RX-7). Both drivers are friends.
Love the @speed academy sticker on the switch panel
Thats why its there in the first place!! Speed Academy
Sounds soo good i need one in my life
Sound game is strong with this one.
I took my rx7 on the nurburgring in August, I loved every minute of it!
So you are one of those RX7 owners that come at the Ring and dont say anything!!! Next time you are here send us a message to let us know. Will be cool to throw a few laps together :)
@@kzannos my rx7 is in the auto addition video 24/06/2018 😊
doritos power sounds sooo sexy
timing the shift perfectly makes the car sound completely different.
Awesome!!!! Enjoyed the sounds of this modified 13B
For everyone who says someone should teach him to rev match the only way that successfully worked for me was to enter any turn at a good speed and quickly brake and rev match and downshift it’s a process like heel and toeing but you give it a lil rev and quickly brake and let go when you know what rpm to let go at idk it’s complicated but maybe he should try that
Loved the video, don't get me wrong, but that camera work was questionable. Need a mount like that rear cam.
Πολύ ωραίο βίντεο και έχεις χέρια αν με τέτοιο αμάξι μπορείς να μπεις καλύτερα στης στροφές δεν το δούλευες στα όρια σε κάποιες στροφές αλλά μπράβο σου πολύ ωραίος 👌👌👏👏👏
i am pretty sure you can go much faster and balls to the walls with that capabilities of the car man
We can easily understand how you can be pretty sure...
Multiple laps with an FD around the 'Ring, correct?
It was very apparent to see that the fd could lose the s2k anytime it wanted. As mentioned, the fd is on stock suspension and brakes- of course the s2k will have higher corner speed and catch up on the brakes. Too many s2k fan bois out there. I own an s2k, but you have to give credit where it's due. The rx7 is like a more powerful s2k.
having owned a rotary in the past, i can tell you there is no way you can compare the real ownership of a rotary to a honda, the mazdas are a fucken pain in the arse to maintain and keep reliable. never again.
@@pswmetalmonkey this is why people go with the s2k>fd; at least that was my logic.
@Jason Bouphasavanh you have great taste in vehicles 🙂 ...it sounds like you had a bad accident if it's been a year and you're still on crutches; well wishes with your healing. I use a 180/60 pirelli supercorsa on the rear. It's a taller, wider tire so it flicks quickly side to side and has more contact at large lean angles.
ayowser01 don’t bring up brake and suspension without hp. Add more brake and suspension to the rx7 and add equal hp to the s2000 to see which is actually faster.
I’ve owned five 7s and three S2K. As much as I’ve loved my 7s it’s in the past. I will own an S2K again. Don’t fool yourself the S2K chassis makes for an extremely powerful, RELIABLE and great handling car.
Να χαίρεσαι το dorito σου φίλε. μια ζωή το όνειρο μου ήταν.
Ρε φίλε γιατι το λένε dorito??
@@sotirismihail2324 γιατί το rx7 δεν έχει απλό κοινό κινητήρα με πιστόνια. Έχει έναν τύπο κινητήρα όπου δουλεύει με ρότορα.( Wankel ονομάζεται ψαξτο να δεις πως δουλεύει). Ε αυτός ο ρότορας μοιάζει πολύ με το σνακ Dorito. Και έτσι του βγήκε το όνομα.
@@booperdooper9323 τα ήξερα όλα αυτά απλά δεν μου είχε πάει το μυαλό. Ωραίος φίλε Ευχαριστώ πολυ
Swsta, swsta!
That turbo comes on HARD.
Regardless of what the clock says that looks like a proper awesome driver experience!
That is the spirit...
I love how the RX-7 stops making noise in between the shifts.
Unfortunate camera angle I did that once by mistake at a track day too.
wow, this is good.. may I know how much it's producing in this video? cant wait for proper tune on handling and etc so driver can put full power down
Something between 400-450 should be right :)
Quel bonheur ce moteur Rotary !!! super merci pour ce tour énorme
Μπράβο ρε μάγκες!
Να είστε καλά εσείς και οι ρεπτομηχανες σας!
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You've also noticed for the past several years that people are 'very quick' with their movements and motions of their hands and bodies and in that split second you heard them make a noise you had also felt a small prick among your skin.
There are real things like this that are happening through out the population and people are dying because of it. I'm not sure how much time I have left, myself. As, I have the tiny red needle mark in the meaty part of my right hand thumb as of today! There is a rapid pulsing of pain that is constant.
There are poisoners among us, who live among us, who dine and drink among us! They poke your face, they poke you everywhere. They live below you, above you in bunkbeds. They live beside you and argue amongst each other to try and draw you attention so you can't see their poison exchanges from the deliverer after they come back from picking up their supplies of poison.
They are real.
so finally the heating issues are solved? one last electric gremlin? or electronically patzawura? kostas gonna work it out!
Heating issues solved alright!! The gremlins are there unfortunately !
weird wires? loom of doom? circuit won't work it?
all the best for sorting this out.
That thing is a spaceship!
Nope third gen RX-7. From a Japanese company called Mazda.
@@OneLapHeroes 🤣🤣🤣 I like your way that answering
Why are you coasting into every turn?
We've given a serious answer above but we will try to politely explain once more!
Car is 400-450 hp with stock brakes and suspension. IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO DRIVE!
Driver knows it fully well and is driving around that but he is not playing around.
A quick check at the acceleration rate, when he is full throttle, will explain why he can stay buried at times. (Because he would arrive at the next braking zone with 50 km/h more)
On top of that the car has an external wastgate and you pretty much only hear the WOT inputs on the audio.
They see me coasting.... they hating....! :P
ade re malaka!
😂😂😂
@@OneLapHeroes not being funny, but why has it got much more power but no brakes or suspension upgrades, especially if hitting the Nurburgring? GO ROTARY! 8)
Watch the rear view mirror 8:09
Those flames though.
WATCH THIS VIDEO BELOW ON HOW AN RX7 SHOULD BE DRIVEN:
ua-cam.com/video/ZJqILLdJ8sc/v-deo.html
No argument there, that is a nice lap from the car and owner sir :)
We hope you understand that the lap you are linking is considerably slower...
Nice vid you can tell you need to do some adjustments though. You coasted on corners so you wont lose traction and spin out
Right. If you keep lifting off the throttle like that your going to induce a lift off drift inadvertently at the wrong time. That's a novice approach. Increase your aero effects and throttle through more to demand more traction through your corners. Not lift off and reduce traction as much as possible through coners. The road will bite you eventually.
Wow! I think this is way to advanced for me man. I think I'll just stick to coasting for now.
Domenic... we know you mean well but the driver is more experienced than the comment section thinks.
The car is on stock suspension and brakes and needs some work before someone could push with confidence.
Especially if you aren't familiar with the 'Ring that is probably the worst track to tackle in a car like this.
What you see is a driver driving around the limitations of the car and taking it easy at places that the risk is high.
Great driving! What dash are you using?
still a cool video though your car sounds great
We really laughed out (loud) with the whole rant! Happy you eventually enjoyed.
All cars can be good cars. The S2000 is a sorted car with a couple of hundred laps in and a good working setup.
The FD is a new car for us and EVERYTHING other than the engine needs work. (Stock suspension, stock brakes e.t.c.)
The S2k in current form is faster even though the FD has, as you said, roughly 100 hp more. Again, this is just two friends enjoying the cars and the track. This are both 'our' cars.
OneLapHeroes the advantage the fd has on the s2000 in any race is so much yet the s2000 can keep up with fds that have tuns more power, just watch the hot version races with the js racing s2000 and the feed fd, those are the two fastest cars on the touge, the feed fd has 450hp, and 4.77 final drive, while the j’s s2000 has 350hp and a 4.1 final drive, and both cars weigh about the same, the s2000 is at a huge disadvantage but it still manages to tie with fd for the win, really shows how great the car truly is.
still gave the vid a thumbs up it’s a really good one hahaha
The 🪶 Weight Champion of the World.... All Hail the Mighty RX7-
Great sound!!!
S2K digging into the turns with daggers
RX-7 like a duck on ice...sounding like one too.
Just had a thought....this car would be badass with a DCT trans.
Is the rx7 running a microtech ecu? Nice driving by the way cant wait to see the car with proper brakes and suspension. Brap brap boys
Wait.... Are you holding down the clutch in the corners and in braking zones?
L O V E L Y S O U N D
Rotory Terror🎌
RX7 could have pushed a bit harder. He had the power but not control the or was afraid to push harder. Co-driver said he wants to go home🤦🏽♂️
One more time, although explained thoroughly in the comments (and previous vids). The car is on stock suspnesion and brakes. Driver is just being sensible. Co-driver was joking. He actually had a blast and can't wait to be back!
at 2.20min the porsche says clearly, will drift elsewhere hahahahaah
@OneLapHeroes What is the left steering wheel button?
Popcorn is ready🤩
Sit down and enjoy the Brap-ing.
FD has more potential to tune up...
un balanced. if both cars are stock, it'll be more fun
That sounds so good! Who has build that RX-7?
Well the engine has been put together by a Greek person, who has a thing for rotary engines and does all the work from his home. That's why he is calling it Rotary Secret Garage.
The buttons on the steering wheel are for boost control?
There is a 'give me more boost/push to pass' button on the steering wheel...
(The driver normally shouldn't touch it on the Nordschleife)
One is for flashing lights and the other one is for more boost indeed! As you can clearly see at some point, I have no idea what I am pushing, so I hit both, hoping for the best! #trustmeiknowhatiamdoingNOT
@@kzannos haha nice.Beautiful fd mate.Have fun with it.
Good driving skills from both sides
Struggle to handle the power in the rx7. Great video !
We are only getting it faster (and more sorted) next year!
Great cars, great driving.!
Might be a badass car, but needs a definite driver mod. Looks like me behind that wheel
who makes that shifter knob?
That is custom made! :)
Repping Canada with a speed Academy sticker!!!! 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🍁🍁🇨🇦🥞🥞🥞
Although it might not be a lap in anger, the driver seems to know his limits.
Remember, they charge you for Armco and the tow truck and the helicopter if it's needed.
This car is obviously fast as fuck, so give the driver some respect.
Common sense? In YT comments? We. Are. Shocked.
Not all hope is lost.
OneLapHeroes - Cheers, bud. There are dozens of us who still have a brain out there, haha.
Btw, is that a Speed Academy sticker in the centre dash?
@@tnmoe- Of course it is, you gotta support the good ones! ;)
OneLapHeroes - Awesome, dude! Best wishes from Ontario, Canada! Dave and Pete are cool guys!
Check out my buddy @andrew_fc on instagram, he's rocking a slick bridgeport in his car.
Those criticising the driving seem to forget, that above the traffic, stock brakes and suspension; that there's also a passenger in the car, who the driver is responsible for while out on the lap. There's no way anyone with their head screwed on would risk their own, their passengers and others people on the track's life trying to take Schwendenkreuz, Mutkurve or the Foxhole at 10/10's during a busy TF session.
My only complaint really, is that he is not rev-matching his downshifts. This is very dangerous. I heard dim rev-match once, which shows he knows how, but isn't doing it for all the downshifts. Have to learn how to heel-toe, or the sidefoot, etc.
So many things that could be said here! Maybe another video with the story behind the lap?
I'm curious as to what happened at 4:03 can anyone explain?
What Spoiler is on the RX7?
S2K BABY