REACTING to *The Shining (1980)* COMPLETELY DISTURBING!! (First Time Watching) Horror Movies
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The girls, Hayley and Stella, are reacting to The Shining (1980) and this movie is completely disturbing!! This 80s classic starring Jack Nicholson (Jack Torrence) and Shelley Duvall (Wendy Torrence) in this wild horror film dirrected by the legendary Stanley Kubrick! Enjoy this first time watching horror movies reaction to the shining!
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What is your favorite classic horror film??
Halloween(1978).
If you guys like the film I hope you'll watch the sequel as well because it's really really good!
Oh and if ye do watch Doctor Sleep, the directors cut is the best version.
This is one of them. Definitely "Rosemary's Baby", "An American Werewolf In London", "Creepshow", "Carrie", the 1978 "Invasion Of The Body Snatchers", "Island Of Lost Souls" (early 30s), the original "King Kong", the original "Carnival Of Souls", "Eyes Without A Face", "Freaks" (if that's considered a horror movie), those come to mind. I don't consider "Jaws" or "Psycho" horror movies, but if you do, then you can add them to the list.
For me, it's a tie between A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984) and The Evil Dead (1981).
The Others, Dead Silence (the unrated version), The Shinning and The Exorcism of Emily Rose
Fun fact: for the scene where Jack Nicholson hacks down the door, set decorators built a very fragile door, so it would break easily, but failed to take into account the fact that Jack was a volunteer firefighter, so he broke it down too quickly. They then had to build a sturdier door.
Who cares....
That's super interesting!
During one take, on the back swing, Nicholson barely missed one of the crew. Oops. 💀
@@fredtelloyou cared enough to reply
@@fredtello you clearly do since you replied
Here's some trivia that always confuses people. On the request of the parents of Danny Lloyd (Danny), they didn't want Danny to be aware that he was in a horror movie. So they somehow filmed the whole movie without Danny realizing he was in a horror movie instead of a family drama. Usually when Wendy is carrying Danny it was a doll hence why he was "limp". Danny didn't watch this movie until he was a teenager because his parents were protecting him from it.
It makes sense if you clock what Danny is actually in the same shot with. He's usually looking off camera at something alarming or horrific so Kubrick would have talked him through whatever reaction he needed without exposing him to the sight of dismembered little girls or decomposing bathing ladies or amorous furries or whatever. Not an uncommon thing when you're dealing with kids.
I assume people conflate this movie with "Taxi Driver" where Jodie Foster's mother made sure her daughter knew what she was acting and what it meant. In preproduction Jodie and her mom shadowed a couple of underage prostitutes who were about the same age as the character that Jodie was going to portray so she could get a real life sense of what she was doing. Scorsese, De Niro and the production team were a lot more traumatized than Jodie ever was - they took an unusual amount of care for the time to make sure counselors were on hand making sure Jodie was coping okay and I don't think they ever stopped the production on account of her.
It helped that Jodie was VERY interested in the nuts and bolts of movie making. She was a seasoned professional of dozens of movie and TV shoots by the time "Taxi Driver" happened but she had never done anything like this before. This came in handy when they shot the climactic action scene with all those blood and gore effects. It was a very hot summer and it was rather grueling resetting everything for subsequent takes but Jodie's interest and full-on geeking out over how they made all the bullet hits happen and stuff helped give the cast and crew a second and third wind as things dragged on.
I seem to have digressed from "Shining" but "Taxi Driver" is the kid actor scenario that I have in my head that contrasts with it the most while still representing what seems to have been an equally happy and fulfilling experience for the young actors involved.
Kubrick was very protective of Danny Lloyd, and he wanted to make sure the kid wouldn't have any emotional baggage. So, he would shoot several takes for each scene, and he would have Danny act happy, sad, angry, and scared, then he'd use all of the scared takes.
Garrett Brown the inventor of the Steadicam, has stated that this movie showed him how much his camera mount could be used in many different ways. Also, he realized that Danny Lloyd weight exactly as much as the camera that fit in the mount. So, he took out the camera, put in a child's seat, got Danny to sit in it, and took him for a ride on the mount; Danny must have felt like he was flying. From what I've heard, that kid had a BLAST making this movie.
@@karlmortoniv2951 For a five-year-old child, the meaning of the word horror is beyond his grasp. So I thought he believed that the drama genre Kubrick referred to the film included scary things too he was confronted with during filming. 🙂
@@quietman71 It's a shame he couldn't watch the film with Kubrick years later. I don't know if Kubrick died before Danny watched it at fifteen or not. I didn't see the shinning until I was twenty. I was afraid of it for years and now it's my favorite horror classic. Even though there are problems with it.
@@johnnyfive4436 Danny was 5 when he made the movie, and it came out in 1980. So call it 1979 for production. Ten years later when Danny was 15 is 1989. Kubrick died in 1999.
The woman in the Room 237 in King’s novel is explained to be Lorraine Massey, who used to seduce bellboys who entered her room, and she would end up engaging in sexual acts with them. During her stay at the hotel, she was with a younger man. The young man abandoned her, and Lorraine killed herself in the bathroom of room 237, but her ghost stayed there. Just like Lloyd and Delbert, Lorraine’s ghost can have physical interactions with the guests, and as mentioned above, Danny and Jack came face to face with her
I always thought it was Delebert Grady’s wife
She was chopped up with an axe.@@supremedream1764
I always wondered if she sexually assaulted Danny as well?
It's not explained in the film. The book and the movie are different animals.
Fun fact: the initial movie release had a 146 minute runtime that includes a scene that is largely considered lost nowadays: Danny and Wendy at the hospital speaking with Ullman after the shot of Jack being frozen. It significantly altered the film's plot line as Ullman stated that there was no evidence of any murders or freaky incidents taking place... ruining the ambiguity of the horror the film had. 10 days after the film premiered, Stanley Kubrick went into all the theaters playing his film and worked carefully with the protectionists to edit that sequence out. To this day, despite all home media stating the film length is 146 minutes, the actual runtime is 144. The 2 minutes from the original premiere remain lost... and those who went to see it within those 10 days of being in the final edit have a ghostly memory of a scene that does not exist now... except that it possibly survives in Kubrick's family estate... which they have yet to release as per the late Stanley's request prior his death in 1999 consisted of keeping all his assets closely guarded and private. Eventually, there will come a day where that ghostly memory will be brought back from the dead upon expiration of the copyright status for the film... but that could be decades if not a century from now...
Jack's always been the caretaker, and the ending is perfect.
About 2 years ago a VHS copy of this movie went on auction that was from the personal archives of one of the crew members (I don't remember which one). There are rumors that it had the only surviving copy of the original ending, but this has yet to surface.
I'm 5 days late to the party, but another good S.K. movie is Misery with the famous line "I'm your #1 fan".
I think Kubrick always edited his films after previews. That's most of why I think of _Eyes Wide Shut_ as unfinished; he surely would have made edits and worked more on the sound before it was released.
@@Theomite I'm sure on a UA-cam video there are still images of the scene. Unless I'm remembering incorrectly.
It IS possible for sisters that are 8 and 10 to look very much alike....my sister and I were two years apart, and people OFTEN thought we were twins. My mom even dressed us alike a lot of the time. People regularly thought we were twins until after high school.
But the two girls hired to play the parts were in fact twins.
The manager gives incorrect facts to Jack during the interview. He even gets Grady's first name wrong.
@@Lethgar_Smith Yes, I'm saying it all contributes to the confusion. I mean, just because they were twins in real life, we assume they are on the screen.
There was a pair of sisters in my school like that. Identical, but 2 years apart in age.
My sısters looked lıke twıns at that age but they were 15 months apart. Our mom dressed us all alike alot of the time because she made our clothes and it was just cheaper to buy the same material and make several dresses. And I've known a lot of kids that looked like twins but were a year or so apart. I've also known a lot who look nothing alike but are full siblings. Genetics are weird like that.
They are twins....saw them as recent as 2015 at a ComicCon/Horror Con.
This movie had a lot of production issues behind the scenes:
Shelley Duvall lost most of her hair due to stress after doing 127 takes of the scene involving her swinging the bat at Jack Nicholson.
Scatman Crothers, Dick Halloran, broke down crying in the kitchen after 88 takes and asked, "What do you want from me, Mr. Kubrick!?"
Jack Nicholson slept on the set between scenes.
Duvall and Kubrick would be seen arguing on how her scenes should be filmed.
A fire broke out near the set where they were filming The Empire Strikes Back, destroying two sound stages.
A secretary had to type "All Work And No Play Make Jack A Dull Boy" on 500 pieces of paper and it was really grueling.
The scene with the dead twin girls had to be done in one take, and both of them had to lay perfectly still for a couple of hours.
Kubrick's fear of flying prevented him from filming certain scenes, involving Dick Halloran at a resort in Florida with a beach setting, but couldn't flim it in time.
Stanley Kubrick changed the ending to the movie before it was in theaters.
900 tons of salt was used to simulate snow, and most of the actors and crew had to wear rubber boots to make sure none of the salt got inside their shoes.
During the first take, Jack Nicholson almost hit someone, presumably the cameraman, in the face with the axe he was using.
He didn't change the ending before it was in theaters. He changed it 10 days after it had already premiered. It was a flaw that Warner Bros. had carelessly ignored.
And that's just the start lol. Kubrick wasn't the genius he was made out to be. A lot of his work had no depth in my opinion, and he was an egomaniac by all accounts. Unforgivable what he did to Shelley Duvall.
The filming was literally hell for everyone, especially Duval. A lot of those scenes where she was crying and upset are so authentic because she really was crying and upset.
@@susieautrey6112I feel sorry for her in general, she’s an actress but is only viewed as “terrible.” She’s not an attractive woman at all 🫤 the only other “big role” she’s known for besides this one is Olive Oyl in the Popeye movie with Robin Williams
Poor Shelley Duval. I've always respected Kubrick's final products, but some of the stuff he did to his actors in order to get the perfect scene was downright sadistic. He tortured Duval on set, and told the other actors to ignore and gaslight her so she'd have nowhere and no one to turn to, all because he wanted her fear and panic to look more authentic.
What's really creepy about that scene in room 237 is that it's a genuine close encounter with the supernatural - a meeting between man and ghost with intimate contact. Mostly characters run screaming from ghosts, or you only see a glimpse of them. In this story the living and the dead size each other up, standing their ground - no screaming or moaning. It's like they were fascinated with each other, in a sense ascribing sentience to an embasador of the afterworld. Anyway, thanks for another fun reaction!
And the book mentions that she was...overly fond of little boys. So she almost certainly tried to kiss Danny too.
Considering the grueling filming process, working with Kubrik might be the real horror movie. Maybe that's why Nicholson looked insane from the start lol
Kubrick was a perfectionist of a filmmaker.
It's criminal how badly Kubrick treated Shelly Duvall. She never really recovered from the trauma.
I mean… juice
Nicholson looks a bit insane in One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Next, a movie they should also see. I just watched LOTRs with my Dad and in all these decades, I never looked up the actor who played Grima, and my Dad pointed out that he was Billy in Cuckoo's Nest and I lost my sh*t!
My interpretation has always been that the house “eats” Jack. His essence or identity is absorbed and “digested” after following it down into its inner depths- the strikingly modern and almost alien Red Room (the bathroom) is the dark heart that exists outside of the structure’s physical architecture. It’s reminiscent of the otherworldly final scenes of 2001, for obvious reasons.
Hmm, that take reminds me a lot of the _Haunting of Hill House_ series. If you haven't seen it, I recommend it very highly.
*Spoiler warning ⚠️
I don't know if this ever gets explained in Doctor Sleep movie, though the book tells you, Tony is Danny but grown up. Danny's middle name is Anthony, so it's Daniel Anthony Torrence. So Older Danny is using his shine powers to go through the past and talk to himself, calling himself Tony and he tries to warn his younger self about the hotel.
They did Scatman Crothers dirty in this ending. Also I love the thought of some Hollywood intern literally typing 30ish pages of 'All work and no play makes ...' in novel form
Steven King puts himself in a lot of his works. In this book Jack is an abusive alcoholic, but it's contextualized by his own father having been a much bigger alcoholic and much more abusive, and so the very real cycle of abuse is a huge theme. It's made clear that Jack is actually trying to be good and that he does love his son, but the hotel sort of possesses him and gradually turns him into the worst version of himself to fulfill its plans. Also, the boiler is used as a metaphor for Jack's sanity. It has to be checked every six or eight hours; I can't remember which one, and Jack is redeemed by his own subconscious "forgetting" to check it at the book's finale, so that the entire evil hotel blows up while Danny, Wendy, and Halloran get away. Jack has a final moment of clarity in which he apologizes to Danny.
Kubrick wasn't interested in any of that and just turned Jack into a boogeyman, which I think is the biggest thing that bothered King. Another source of ire could be that Kubrick rejected King's offer to write the screenplay and hired another novelist to help him do it, so from the very beginning the director showed that his opinion of his own genius was much higher than his respect for the source material or its author. Also, before the '90s or so adaptations weren't graded on faithfulness to the original, because they weren't made to appeal to some preexisting "fandom". Your book was lucky to get adapted into a film, not the other way around.
I think what both versions share is an emphasis on the perversion of the family dynamic when the father, who's supposed to be its protector, turns into its biggest predator. That this is the actual situation in which countless households find themselves, minus the supernatural elements, is what makes it so much scarier than stories that only rely on the former.
King went on record saying that during a bout of sobriety before he got clean he realized that when he wrote The Shining he was writing about his own worst fear of his addiction issues causing him to hurt his children. With that context the idea of an adaptation of a work that is personal to you removing the main emotional core of the characters to just turn him into a hateful and abusive monster? Yeah I can understand why King for years disowned this movie
@@CapitalExpression - Kubrick pretty much took the characters and scenery, and threw out King's coherent overall explanation. King was writing a horror story, Kubrick made a movie about madness. Not making sense makes it worse.
It's been a long time since I read the book, I think I remember another scene in which Jack is chasing Danny with a hammer. Jack has a moment of clarity and starts beating his head with the hammer. I really like both the film and the movie for different reasons but King's work creating complex characters really adds to the emotional weight of the final climax in a way that I don't think the film pulls off
@@loupgarou-dj3tm King didn't like Kubrick's movie. King has said that his story worked because of Jack Torrance's transition from loving father to maniac, and then back at the end when he redeems himself by sacrificing himself for Danny. He pointed out that with Nicholson, he seemed crazy and menacing from Minute One, so there was no real horror, no transition.
King has since softened his stance on the movie, though he still approaches them as different properties. That being said, I don't agree that Kubrick just made Jack a boogeyman from beginning to end. There's a lot of subtext in the movie and stuff that you infer through dialogue, tone, mise en scene, etc. It's true that you don't get all the subtlety that was in the novel, but then that's true of all book-to-movie adaptations because they're different mediums. Books are internal, movies are external. I do think that Kubrick leaned into Jack being someone who was already troubled and not a great guy even before the Overlook-not a monster but not a "good guy"-but that also feeds into why the hotel sees him as the weak link, the one it can use to get to Danny. He's corruptible (and has a slightly weaker "shine"). The hotel works constantly to lead him down that garden path of compromising himself with the alcohol, the opportunity to cheat, etc, etc. The more he gives in to the hotel's temptations, the stronger the hotel's grip on him becomes and the more we see it asserting itself.
One of the few clunkers is the slightly too on-the-nose line (imo) where Jack says he'd sell his soul for a beer, followed immediately by Lloyd the demon... er, I mean, bartender... showing up to accept his offer by giving him alcohol, after which all drinks are "on the house," Jack's "credit is good," and Jack's money "is no good here." That line sticks out like a sore thumb to me as a little tropey, though, to be fair, I don't think I've ever heard a reactor catch it or mention it.
The reason everyone feels Jack is creepy right from the beginning comes down to two things: (1) Those eyebrows. Jack Nicholson looks a certain way and that look has a hint of cruelness to it, even when it isn't always supposed to. It's not that he CAN'T pull off a softer character, just that it's always going to be an uphill battle bc of his features. But, when it comes time for "crazy Jack Torrance," Nicholson can't be beat. And (2) people who are watching this movie today are going into it with the background noise of pop culture and are already expecting him to be a creep, therefore, even when he's acting like just a dude, the anticipation of what memes have already told you he becomes colors your interpretation of him.
Yeah, you could complain that he didn't have that redemption arc by the end but, tbh, I kind of like it without. I like the fact that the movie has him so lost in the hotel's sauce that he's desperate to "do his job" and please the hotel and, when he fails, the hotel abandons him to die in the maze. It's tragic. His animal noises as he's reduced to lunatic desperation, lost in the maze and abandoned by his benefactors, are way more effective, imo, than him having a schmaltzy "I'm sorry, Danny" moment at the end. Fortunately for fans of either or both, the book and novel both exist so you can have your cake and watch it adapted too.
As for Kubrick turning down Stephen King's offer to write the screenplay, that's not particularly surprising. I love Stephen King as a writer (though he struggles with the endings of his novels, which is why I usually prefer his short stories) but he's not exactly known for being an auteur filmmaker. And many of the movies he's had a direct hand in have not exactly become classics. He's generally been better off handing his IP over to someone else to adapt and letting them do what they do best bc, let's face it, movies are not his forte. And, anyway, novelists tend to have a hard time adapting their books for the screen because (1) they're too close to it, and (2) they don't always understand the difference between internal and external storytelling. That may be less true today when so many more people are TV and movie savvy, but back then? Novelists weren't always considered the best people to adapt their own works.
Another thing about Stephen King: Not everything he writes that sounds good on a page translates well to the screen. It reminds me of how comic book superheroes can get away with ridiculous spandex outfits on a comics page but if you put that same outfit, faithfully recreated, onto the screen, it looks ridiculous. Same with King. There are so many places where I've read stuff in his books that goes so far over the top that it becomes legit cartoony. If you were to put it on the screen, it would be laughable. E.g. I loved "The Stand" but, partway through the book, the antagonist lost any scariness he might've had when King had him get angry and wrote that actual steam was coming out of his ears, like a cartoon character. Not a metaphor. Actual steam shooting out of his ears because he was angry. He took this shadowy, demonic character that was shaping up to be an interesting, creepy Big Bad and turned it into Daffy Duck. Or - and ymmv here - the end of "Pet Sematary" [MILD SPOILERS]: The closing scenes with Gage were super creepy in the movie because they kept him subtle and little kid like, saying creepy things in a little kid's voice and manner of speaking. In the book, King has him roaring in a demonic monster voice and transforming into this super over-the-top cartoon that would've been too much and lost what made the filmed scene the classic bit that it was. King is great but let's not get it twisted: His ideas of "what works" on screen are not necessarily on the same level as people who do that for a living (and do it to the level that they're considered auteurs and classic filmmakers).
Would "The Shining" have been the enduring classic that it is if Kubrick hadn't made the movie? Would we still be talking about it 50 years later if King had written and/or directed it himself? Doubtful. I mean, I don't see a lot of movie reactions talking about "Maximum Overdrive." Nor do I see people dissecting the subtleties of "Creepshow." And where are all the documentaries (or even conversations) about the made-for-TV "Shining" that King preferred? King and a certain percentage of book-purists might like it but most other people don't care or put it in anywhere near the same league as Kubrick's adaptation. Kubrick changed stuff, sure, but what he did obviously was effective and worked for a LOT of people. I assume most people here are not watching reactions to "The Shining" because they think it's garbage.
And I'm not even a Kubrick fanboy. I find a number of his movies to be a little self-indulgent and boring. Plus, from the stories, he sounds like kind of a dick. But i think he knocked it way out of the park with "The Shining," Stephen King's butthurt notwithstanding. I don't know that an absolutely faithful recreation of the book would've hit the same.
This movie leaves you with a ton of questions, which is a stark contrast to the book. The book is 1000 pages of detailed insight into this family as the father slowly loses his mind. It's a great read if you have the time.
Ain't no way the novel is 1000 pages. Maybe half that.
@@trhansen3244 - You're almost right! I have the mass market paperback here beside me, and it's 659 pages. That's a _little_ more than half of a thousand, but that's pretty darn close for a figure you pulled from thin air. Very good guesstimate!
OP must have mixed it up with _The Stand_ that's the _real_ doorstop among King's early books. ;)
@@ShinyAvalon It wasn't thin air. It was thick air. Stop trying to make things up!
@@trhansen3244 - Ha! It was thinner than a very, very thin thing, and your guess was still amazing! So there!
Agreed that the book is a definite must read! It explains details of the movie so much. Kubrick’s version of this story is a confusing mess through most of it. All style and not enough substance to the story.
The book is infinitely better.
i think this movie could act as a metaphor of an abusive relationship. the hotel is a promise of better things, she is so invested to make it work she dont see the Red flags, but the kid sees a lot more than her, and then, when she has had enough and wants to leave, here comes violence...
I think you’ll like a similar horror classic called Posession (1981). It has metaphors for divorce except the metaphors in that movie are more obvious
Ummmmm no IT IS about abusive relationships 🤣😮💨🙄 Christ you couldnt look that UP? Or just an attempt at lookin smart? It’s not working.
@@6Haunted-Days why so sour dear?... "That is what the highest criticism really is, the record of one's own soul" said Oscar Wilde (yes I looked that up)
@@6Haunted-Days Christ you couldn't look up that it's about the Native American genocide?
Maybe you should stop pretending you're smart and use it to be an asshole.
@@6Haunted-Daysthis comment made you look even dumber…
“Scream” and “Hellraiser” are two movies you guys should react to
Hellraiser and definitely Hellraiser 2
they need to do all the scream movies
yeah I would love for you to reacts to all the screams
Before scream they have some light homework to do first, cause spoilers.
@Average_Sociopath no, 4 is one of the best ones lol
The decomposing woman in the tub was a elderly woman who had a younger man with her at the hotel. They had a serious slat and he left her there. She then took her own life in the tub and now her ghost haunts 237 waiting for a visitor. This is not explained. It was left to your imagination. Also Hallorann also had a situation in 237 and it was also not explained.
All of the creepy vignettes in the climax of the movie and in Room 237 refer to specific former guests and staff of the Overlook, explained in some detail in the book, but left to the audience's imagination on screen.
Something I realized this time around is how the hotel is seducing Jack with images of the life he really wants: rubbing elbows with socialites at the party, being a trusted and reliable employee, being generally respected. But, even in this Overlook dream, he's still just the caretaker, and he will always only be the caretaker, and the only things that will treat him equal are the boilers and the furnaces he has to tend to. There's no world where the Overlook will ever give him what he wants, but that doesn't stop it from offering it, or Jack from chasing it everytime he comes to the hotel.
Which is interesting because in the book he is offered the position of manager. Definitely out of all the changes Jack's character is very different.
just to add a bit of trivia, the parts of the hotel where Danny was cycling apart from the kitchen and main hall, where he sees the twins are sealed off sections of the hotel, unavailable and out of bounds and reach for everyone else. But Danny is given access to them and guided to them without him realizing, also Wendy towards the end goes into sealed off places in the hotel where spots those two men in the bedroom that whole aisle was shut off for everyone else
They did a TV miniseries remake starring Stephen Weber. It failed so miserably due to miscasting, since Weber could not hope to match Nicholson's performance, lacking the scary eyebrows and the ability to produce menacing intonation, that most people don't even know it exists and I've never seen it on TV since the first airing. A little backstory on Jack Torrance. He was a college professor with a drinking problem and anger issues. Got fired for beating a student senseless for no reason. He was legitimately trying to clean up and live a good life and do a good job. He was trying to beat his demons, but he wasn't strong enough to stand against the hotel. Stephen King does love his semi-sentient buildings, though the Overlook was based on the Stanley Hotel, which is said to be truly haunted. A lot of things moved by themselves, including the topiary animals outside that they left out of the movie. All those things you were wondering about were done by the hotel itself.
What do you mean, "truly haunted"?
The "Why So Serious" line in The Dark Knight is actually a reference to the scene in this movie where Nicholson goes insane. Ledger was paying tribute Nicholson, who was the Joker before him.
As he should’ve… Nicholson paved the way for actors to play the Joker today. Even though he technically wasn’t the first actor to play him
@@nsasupporter7557 Cesar Romero shall always be respected.
@@TheGundamsword Batman 1989 was a phenomenal masterpiece, it was such a hit that it paved the way for comic book movies and it had alot to do with Nicholson’s performance as the Joker
@@nsasupporter7557 it's my favorite by far. The best depiction of Batman and Bruce Wayne, as well as the best depiction of Gotham City.
@@TheGundamsword did you know that Nicholson turned down the role at first, so in order to get him to accept it they teased Robin Williams with the role?
"Come play with us!" The twins always gave me the creeps, and they were played by real life sisters, who weren't twins. And also, Danny Lloyd wasn't even aware that he was making a horror movie at the time, since he was very young.
I've seen an interviewer decades later say to him "You can say I worked on an Oscar-winning movie with Stanley Kubrick and Jack Nicholson when I was five, and then I retired".
What creeps you out in this film is why Joe Biden loves this film. He wants to play with them. Forever and ever and ever and ever. Or at least sniff their hair.
That's not true. All you have to do is Google it. They were played by real life twins and there are pictures of them of what they look like today.
In the book, halloran doesn't die. There's a follow-up book called Dr Sleep that follows Danny's relationship with Halloran but they eventually lose touch and it's sometime later before Danny finds out that Halloran died.
Also, Stephen King and his wife spent some time in Colorado while he was writing one of his books and wanted to get away so he would have solitude and I think that's when he saw or heard about the big hotel and it gave him the idea for the shining.
The Shining is a flawless horror film and it’s the perfect example of one! It is legitimately scary! Jack Nicholson gives such a scary performance to the point where we actually believe he is insane! It even has one of the most memorable scenes in film history. I just love that “Here’s Johnny” scene. The delivery of that line is what makes it so amazing! A lot of people say it’s one of the best horror films, and they are definitely right.
4 people have the “Shining” in this movie. Danny, the cook, Jack and the Hotel.
The Hotel is able to influence people to murder/do evil to satisfy its hunger for people.
The cook has low level shining that enable him to talk telepathically and sometimes see the hotels ghosts.
Jack has the shining but not quite as strong. He can be influenced by it, but doesn’t really have control of it in any sense.
Danny has the most powerful shining. He just by his presence give physical reality to the hotels ghosts. Danny’s shining can even show him the future.
I love the fact that The Shining is a timeless masterpiece that has been gifted to us Gen Xer's and to every subsequent generation and beyond. It's great to view it with a set of young eyes and to see the conversation and analysis that it continues to perpetuate. The King film adaptations from the 70's and 80's are absolutely stellar. Of course nothing compares to Kubrick but I'd say go for Carrie next. It's absolute genius and it's a masterpiece in it's own right.
Jacks acting in this movie is what makes it so much better
Not just Jack's.
@@carlossaraiva8213ok no fair enough wendys actor too, but hack is my fav
He's the only good thing about this movie
You definitely should do more King movies. They're not always good but definitely entertaining and worth a watch. Since it's my favorite movie ever I highly recommend Misery. Kathy Bates won that friggin Oscar for a reason.
I'd go with Stand By Me. Maybe "IT." An oddball one I like is "Silver Bullet," but I think I like that one purely for the cheese factor. ;p Oh, and Firestarter.
The '89 Pet Semetary is one of my favorites. Not the greatest movie but it has some undoubtedly creeeeeeepy scenes
Carrie and The Dead Zone adaptations should be at the top of the list.
With all due respect to Bates, she did not deserve an Oscar for that. She did deserve it for Dolores Claiborne, which is also a much better movie. And she wasn't even nominated!
Looking forward to Doctor Sleep. I felt that it was an excellent sequel that blended the book with the movie version of The Shining. The directors cut is better than the theatrical cut IMO. ❤
Eh, that movie was typical of modern 'horror'. Boring boring boring.
@@trhansen3244 Stephen King isn't for everyone I guess.
@@TimSeraphiel His early works are awesome. After about 1986, his works are mostly pure crap.
@TimSeraphiel eh well I wouldn't say the sequel was a true sequel (at least not to Kubrick's adaption). This is a case where the adaption is a different animal than the book and has earned its independence from its source material. I don't regard Dr. Sleep to be a true sequel to the world of Kubricks interpretation of the book. That would require Kubrick himself and his film had no use for a sequel.
Doctor Sleep was boring and ran off the rails if it claims to be a sequel. I did a reaction to it but was so bored that I didn't publish it.
Hi ladies, here's a quick breakdown/overview of this movie:
1. The Overlook Hotel is haunted.
2. It was built on an Indian burial ground (notorious in lore for being sour land, and patrolled, if you will, by demonic forces).
3. People like Danny, and Mr. Halloran are what one would call "clairvoyant", and are sensitive to disembodied spirits, and lost souls), not to mention being able to see images of things past, and glimpses of things to come (especially tragic things).
4. There's an unpublished prologue to The Shining novel titled, "Before the play", which covered the history of the Overlook Hotel, which was later published by itself (along with an epilogue titled "After the Play").
5. The Overlook Hotel was built in the early 1920's. And a lot of tragedies happened there. I believe the dark spirit that overtook Jack Torrance was an evil spirit that had been at the hotel since the beginning, (who likely took over the very first caretaker who 'snapped' back in 1920s). Hence, why Delbert Grady said to Jack, "You've always been the caretaker here, sir".
6. As the hotel is haunted, I believe that is why we saw Jack's likeness in that picture on the wall at the end of the movie dated "1921". It's likely that the image before Jack "became a part of the hotel forever", was likely Delbert Grady's likeness. People who work at the hotel during the peak season probably never notices such a small thing like who is that man in the picture, with so much going on with doing their jobs and taking care of hundreds of guests.
7. Wendy Torrance was not a clairvoyant, and neither was Jack, but the fact that they both saw ghosts at the hotel proves that the hotel was indeed haunted. But the hotel only allowed them to see things when it wanted them to see them (to drive them both crazy). But only people who "shine" like Danny and Mr. Halloran could see things that the dark souls of the hotel didn't want them to see, and whenever their gift showed it to them. Hence, why the Delbert Grady character (and the other evil spirits) were pushing Jack to murder Danny and Wendy in a hurry. The hotel wanted all their souls....
8. The wicked spirits were troubled by the fact that Danny might have been able to thwart their plans to take all of their souls.
9. Fun fact: in the Before the Play prologue, we learn that the same type of incident happened Jack when he was a small child, and his father was drunk too and dislocated his arm, almost killing him too. We see then that the incident Wendy describes to the child psychologist in the movie is a matter of history repeating itself.
10. The director of the film, Stanley Kubrick, was a genius. You're right, there is practically nothing in this film what was not put there on purpose. Even the "Calumet" food cans in the hotel pantry had meaning to them in terms of a tragedy that happened in the past concerning the Native Americans. But yeah, everything in every scene in this movie is purposefully intricate to the plot.
11. And by the way, the reveal of what Jack had been writing the whole time since the beginning, "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy", shows that the evil spirit like attached itself to him since when he was there on his interview. He was already 'gone' on his way to madness from day one.
12. Oh yeah, more proof that the hotel was actively haunted by evil spirits is the fact that they opened the door to the locked food pantry, that Jack would never have been able to get out of himself. Wendy and Danny sure didn't open that door.., so "somebody" sure did (the ghosts).
The hotel wasn’t built in the 1920’s but in 1906-1907 unless it was just in this movie and in the book it’s in the 1920’s.
I'm so glad you guys enjoyed and really appreciate this awesome movie! One of the greatest horror films of all time. Jack Nicholson and Shelley Duvall are so great in these roles. I got to meet Danny Lloyd (the little boy) once a few years ago. He was so nice and professional.
Great reaction! I also really liked Doctor Sleep and read the novel - it’s a great adaptation while also paying homage to Kubrick’s Shining. My favorite film adaptations of other King horror novels are Misery, It (Part 1, 2017), Carrie and Delores Claiborne, and I highly recommend them. Pet Sematary is very creepy, but it hasn’t stood the test of time very well in my opinion; the acting’s not great (except Fred Gwynn). The best films based on his short stories are definitely The Shawshank Redemption and The Green Mile. They are absolutely excellent!
My favorite Stephen King adaption is Stand by Me.
"The snow came, and his sanity left." 😆 That pretty much sums it up.
You're going to love CHRISTINE. It's a character-driven movie rather than a horror movie, and it's amazing.
@123haninhk character DRIVEN is right ! i get the reference 😉 just for that reason it's a classic and it has a great cast of character actors as well.
@@synical13 Well, Stephen King and James Janisse once said it was more about character driven than horror, so 😜
My old car was called Christine lol
Christine is better than it should be. The novel is one of King's best. He hasn't written a really good novel since around 1985 or so.
@@123haninhkbeing more of one thing doesn’t exclude it from being the other. You just repeat what people say without thinking about it?
17:50 ROIIIGHT??? Shelley’s style in this movie always serves for me 🥰
46:00 If it makes you feel better, Dick Hallorann doesn't actually die in the novel. I wish they at least made him contribute more to Danny and Wendy escaping. I guess he did serve as a brief distraction and left the vehicle for them. Still, it feels sort of odd that he's such a decent human being and goes through all of the trouble to get there, just to get killed immediately. I feel like the character deserved a more noble death. He should have died sacrificing himself to protect Danny and/or Wendy.
Love this reaction! Im so glad you girls watch this lol. Ive seen this a dozen of times. Because i didnt get it at first. I love how hailey was just confuse and stella knew whats up 😅. But anyway, if you're reading this stella... i had some theories about this film. Although in the book, the character name tony is actually Danny from the future. Who used his shinning to project images into younger danny brain to see clipses in the future at the overlook hotel. Although the movie discusses that tony is a imaginary friend to Danny. But i think its his abilities of the Shinning. Cz in doctor sleep, Danny said that he called his ability tony. One thing too, i think the picture at the end was a recarnation of all the members of the overlook hotel. Of course it kinda makes sense since Jack said he felt like he been there before. Because he was actually according to the internet. But i also think that its people that were the care takers that have their souls trapped in the hotel. And enslaved as waiters or butlers. So this whole time, the hotel was haunted and it was hosted by evil spirits. But when danny came to the overlook, (because danny has a unique shinning ability which he is a rare one) he came and lit the whole place up. And the spirits feared him and wanted him because he was unique compared to Dick. And also to answer your question earlier in the bathroom scene. Yes it was real and it was a dream. Because we as viewers started to see both perspectives of danny and Jacks. Because danny was using his abilities to see it. Its very interesting and kinda confusing but i love it. Also yess you guys should watch all Stephen kings movies because they're all linked the shinning ability: Green mile and IT. Thank you very much hope you guys enjoy your day. I cant wait for doctor sleep😊❤
Jack rolled that ball to Danny in the hallway.. Jack was in room 237.. Very bad things went on in that room between Jack and Danny..The purple phallic symbols all over the carpet in 237..Danny was laying on his stuffed bear in the beginning when the doctor was checking him out, then the scene with the guy in the bear costume with the other guy..All the innuendos..So many of them..Of course the flip side of the bear costume guy with the other guy in the bedroom makes more sense if you read the novel, except the guy was in a dog costume..Stanley Kubrick changed it to a bear costume..There is a little more backstory to that character that wears the costume in the novel..
One of the reasons why cinema from this time works so well and doesn’t age is that directors never felt the need to explain everything.
Agreed. That's why people are still talking about The Shining, The Exorcist, The Omen and Psycho decades later.
More trivia....
Kubrick, Shelley Duvall, and Jack Nicholson were watching dailies of the scene where Jack is chopping through the door. They'd shot several takes. They got to the take where Wendy's eyes practically bug out of her head -- the shot that was used in the film. They all did a double take and looked at each other. Duvall pointed at the screen and said, "THAT one." Kubrick and Nicholson agreed immediately.
Kubrick was a notorious perfectionist, who sometimes shot over a hundred takes of a scene. And yet... Jack's "HEEEEEEEERE'S JOHNNY!" was ad libbed. Kubrick had lived in England for over a decade, and he had either never seen The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson, or he had forgotten about it. He thought about not using that take, but Nicholson assured him that audiences would be scared to death and screaming with laughter at the same time. Now, "Heeeeeere's Johnny!" is more associated with this movie than with The Tonight Show.
The hedge maze wasn't near as big as shown in the movie but it was still quite large and complicated. They needed maps to get through it, and even then people would get lost... which got scary when everyone realized they were working with hot lights, cables, and flammable materials, and people would have trouble getting out. In other words, it was a serious fire hazard. Happily, that never happened.
Gremlins (1984), Poltergeist (1982), An American Werewolf in London (1981) are fun movies to react to.
The actor who played the bartender , was also in the movie " Blade Runner " .
Stella, I love your little dance at the end. I always do the same thing at the end of this movie 😂
My grandparents watched this film in the theater when it was first released and Jack Nicholson's performance made my grandmother *hate* him so much, she refused to watch anything with him in it for the rest of her life (she passed in 2020).
I had an interesting exploration of the shining. I read doctor sleep first then watched the Kubrick film and then the first book (then the dark tower series) the shining is a great tool to use for storytelling. Being able to manipulate ideas and manifest them as reality
The most shocking thing in this movie is that a lower income family in America used to be able to have a doctor make house calls.
Thank you! You are the first among reactors and commenters to pick up on the time discrepancy between Danny's injury 2 years back, and the 5 months of sobriety. Also, at least a month later, Jack says 5 months before he takes a drink. And where did Danny go? He was disassociating. Tony was there to protect Danny from the horrors. The movie never explains it, but in the book, Tony is an older Danny, reaching out to help his younger self. And yes, Danny got his shine from his father.
2 years since and 5 months sobriety just means he hasn't had a drink in 5 months. He may have slipped a few times before that or only started sobriety 5 months before. I don't see what is so weird about that. It would be common for someone like that to slip and have a beer or more every so often before he totally committed to it.
It was 5 months when they went to the hotel. Then a month passes before he drinks.
I've seen the film so many times all the horror and anxiety is mostly gone. I re-watch it for the eye-watering beauty of the cinematography. The famous phrase on the typewritten papers was typed by Kubrick's secretary, taking about a week in producing 500 pages. Some 30 years ago I first saw this on TV with my parents, and my mother who unfortunately entertained some "spiritual" beliefs went a bit bonkers on the final scene, with angry interjections of all this being impossible.
Carrie is an amazing film to this day. Overly stylized and vividly awkward at times, but De palma is in top form, and it’s a good time capsule of ‘70s high school angst.
This movie is the reason I bought a typewriter as an adult.
I would like to see more Stephen King movies. Mike Flanagan and Frank Darapont have both made excellent film adaptations. Stephen King has said he prefers Frank Darapont’s ending to his story The Mist. Mike Flanagan actually got into making horror movies because he read King’s stories. His adaptations Gerald’s Game and Dr. Sleep are worth watching. Dr. Sleep does an impressive job of both adapting the sequel novel of the same name and being a sequel to Kubrick’s version of The Shining, and King approved of the film. The Shawshank Redemption and The Green Mile are also Darapont adaptations of King stories, though they focus more on drama. 1408 is also great and under-rated, it has a lot of similar ideas and themes, and 3 endings; the director’s cut is the best I think, you could discuss all 3.
fun fact: stephen king didn' like this adaptaion of his book. he felt like jack nicholson caracter was acting deranged from the start and didnt show the shift that was supposed to happen to him during his stay at the overlook hotel. i agree with that, even tho this is a classic ive enjoyed many times, but the behaviour of him at the begining doesnt make sense
also, stella's peachy blush/highlighter today looks so pretty
Watching Stella keep giving those “knowing” looks to the camera right before every time something was going to happen was the best!
Something about the Shining that blew my mind when I found out about it; the entire interior of the hotel was made up of built sets, there was no actual Overlook hotel. The exterior shots were a real hotel, of course, but everything shot inside was built. That let them make all of those unsettling inconsistencies with the hotel size and layout. If you haven't watched it yet, there's a really good documentary about the making of the Shining that you might want to check out.
My late mom used to watch this at least once a year. I think motherhood numbs most women from dark horror. :) (Dr. Sleep is a great sequel, btw)
Really enjoyed your reaction to this!! I watched the photographer's supplement to this film, and the entire interior hotel scenes were built from scratch on a soundstage in England. That's where Kubrick filmed many of his movies. So that vast lobby of the the hotel, all a studio soundstage. Although the story is set in Colorado, the exterior shots are at a hotel in Oregon. And all the snow was salt that was trucked in. The crew apparently ruined many pairs of shoes because of the salt. You all should definitely react to Carrie!!!
I just feel for how much the actors were mistreated during the shooting of this film. Shelley Duvall didn't deserve to go through that.
@besupaaa I 've heard consistently how Kubrick did this to many actors and crew alike with grueling demands with the actors it was take after take after bloody take !!
he was not one take KUBRICK that's for sure !🎬
I feel sorry for Shelley Duvall anyway, first all she’s definitely not an attractive woman 😳🫤
Secondly she only plays small roles. The only other “famous role” she played besides this one was Olive Oyl in the Popeye movie with Robin Williams
@@nsasupporter7557 "not an attractive woman"? Speak for yourself mate.
In film she was for sure a character actor who was mostly a supporting player but she had a strong Television career with her self created Fairy Tale and Classics series of shows.
@@CapitalExpression so you actually thinks she’s attractive?? 😳🙄
You might have the worst taste in women that I’ve ever heard
@@CapitalExpression let me tell you something else… if you’ve seen her recently and still think she’s attractive, there’s something seriously wrong with you! 😳 you need to have your eyes examined. She looks a billion times worse than she did in 1980 when she was in this movie
@46:43 There are several clues in the movie using the bear and what it means. The first time we see the bear Danny is laying on his bed after he was talking to Tony. Right by him is a bear pillow. He's also in his undies. Why would Kubrick deliberately show Danny in his undies by the bear pillow? When Danny is brushing his teeth he is bent over the sink in a similar position to the bear and the Man in the room Wendy saw. At the beginning of the movie while Jack is in the lobby waiting for his interview, he can be seen reading a Playgirl magazine. If you pause the scene and look closely at the magazine there's an article about incest. All this suggests Jack was molesting Danny, and it could be that's what triggered Tony to start communicating with Danny.
To get all the details and tricks Kubrick used in this film you have to watch "Room 237"
I think it's explained better in the book, but my understanding is when somebody who has the shine dies in the hotel, the hotel absorbs their shine. I thought that was the reason why (after Halloran died) Wendy was suddenly able to see all the weird ghosts and stuff, because the hotel was "shining" it to her. Also, when she is climbing the stairs before she sees the guy in the costume, can she hear that chanting or is that just the soundtrack? It seems like she can definitely hear something.
Have yall seen The Others with Nicole Kidman? Thats a good horror film 😮
Loved this reaction!
I believe that Charles Grady took on the Delbert name and the persona of the waiter when he joined the Overlook's "roster" of souls.
19:00 Realizing that the girls were 8 and 10 is great! The first reaction I've seen where someone actually paid attention! Cudos! ( 19:50 ... Is the tv plugged in?)
The Shining theme intro
Stella and Haley: laughing😂
Me: terrified😓
People who have seen it before shouldn't give a preamble before scenes like "this here scene coming up is one the the most disturbing scene ever" you should let her enjoy it without the the prologue.
There's a strange theory behind the confusion of the twin girls and Grady's 8 and 10 year old daughters. The movie portrays the twins as both being Grady's daughters, while the theory suggests that the twin girls are only one girl whose ghost had split into two. That's why the girls speak at the same time, look and dress the same, and are always seen standing shoulder to shoulder.
You guys are fantastic reactors. You MUST do "Rosemary's Baby" and "Carrie", those are two horror movies that were MADE for you two to watch and react to. They are cinematic classics, just like The Shining, more than just your average horror movie. PLEASE put those two on your list. ALSO: just so you know: Jack Nicholson has definitely played his share of creepy and crazy characters......but he also has done all kinds. The next movie he shot after this was "Reds" where he did this incredible, restrained performance as Eugene O'Neill, one of his best. After that, he gave this beautiful, romantic, vulnerable (yet very Jack) performance in "Terms Of Endearment" which won him his second Oscar. He can be over the top or he can be very restrained, he was a VERY versatile actor. Once he played The Joker, people kind of made him into a caricature of himself, but Nicholson could do anything, not just "crazy". Him, De Niro, Dustin Hoffman, Al Pacino, Gene Hackman and Robert Duvall: The Magnificent Six of the 70s, game changing actors, all of them very versatile, all of them set the standard for realism and naturalistic acting that came with the new freedoms that came into the movies (and culture) starting in the mid 60s. ("Bonnie And Clyde" and "The Graduate" are two of the movies that really kicked it off.....those are two super classics you guys would ALSO do amazing jobs on! And there are no reactions to them yet!)
YES, Rosemary's Baby is brilliant, and so is Carrie, in very different ways about the horrors of being a woman and a teenage girl, but also, just incredible well written and well thought out movies!
So! If there were one single takeaway for any SK story, it's going to be, "The monsters are the humans." For a deeper understanding of the SK extended universe, I would recommend Dr. Sleep, the Green Mile, The Mist, Pet Cemetary, and the most recent 2017 and 2019 adaptations of It. These cover a bit more of his supernatural storytelling. To see his super-grounded, incredibly human stories, I wildly and enthusiastically recommend Dolores Claibourne, Gerald's Game, Stand by Me, Cujo, and The Shawshank Redemption.
Real is good. Interesting is better - Stanley Kubrick.
What a fantastic reaction, good commentary, better than a lot of channels. Subscribed!
This will be fun. Just hope you're going to watch the DC of Doctor Sleep as well.
The photograph at the end isn't intended to suggest that Jack Torrance was actually at the hotel in 1921. As the power of the hotel increases, we see, through Jack's eyes, that all the past decades of the Overlook Hotel exist simultaneously in the present. In the bar, we see Jack present at a party that was held during the 20's or 30's. We also see the Caretaker who was at the hotel in the early 70's. When we see Jack in the photograph that tells the audience that Jack now haunts the hotel along with all the other spirits of previous years.
If you liked this version of THE SHINING...
Then you will like DOCTOR SLEEP~
& you better watch the Directors Cut, like I did. Unless you two don't have what it takes?
The original novel really is at its core a book about alcoholism. It’s a character issue in this movie but it’s much more a story about fantasy & delusion & being stuck in your head - not so much about the resentment, obsession, craving, ego distortion of alcoholism.
The story of the guy with the bear (or dog) costume and the other guy is in the novel: The guy with the tuxedo was a owner of the hotel. During a costume party he humilliated and degrated the guy with a dog suit just to conceal they both were in a relationship because it was (more) taboo in those days.
Doctor Sleep next?
Also the fact that in the book , Jack wasn't to be feared . You were suppose to have sympathy for Jack & his family .
Shelley Duvall recently came out of retirement! She made a horror film called The Forest Hills, her first role in 20 years.
If you want to see her in the role she was born to play, she was Olive Oyl in the film version of Popeye starring Robin Williams. An imperfect film with a soundtrack marred by the ejection of its drunken composer (the music actually sounds fantastic on the studio-finished soundtrack album) it's worth seeing just for her dancing on a pier singing "He Needs Me".
Popeye was Duvall's next movie right after The Shining.
She also had a small cameo in the movie Time Bandits.
@@looneytoon76 Her other notable achievement was her TV series Shelley Duvall's Faerie Tale Theatre, which she hosted and served as executive producer, and featured a host of stars.
The film has all the information you need to figure out Jack's character and motivation. You only need to ponder all the expressions and gestures. He's a huge disappointment to himself. He's accomplished nothing. He's a man with an education who was probably fired from his teaching job. He DESPISES Wendy, who is a constant reminder to him of his inability to meet his responsibilities. She does all the work. He has an unrealistic opinion of who he is and with whom he belongs, so the satanic, perverted cabal occupying the Overlook's eternal spiritual realm is a seductive temptation. The hotel wants him, because he's already putting out that evil, desperate vibe and it knows he'll do anything to join-- including and especially sacrificing his own son. By the way, the true horror behind the film is that this type of sacrifice is going on in the world we live in. How many famous celebrities have "tragically lost" significant others and children? They have to pay the piper for their success. Kubrick knew this.
"The boiler room is not as interesting as 237!"
Well the book and the TV miniseries written by Stephen King say otherwise 😊
In the book, Jack finds the entire history of the Overlook in paperwork stored next to an unreliable boiler.
In the film, Wendy competently does all the work that Jack was hired to do.
@@stevetheduck1425 the moment she does Jack's work is so brief. The importance of the boiler maintenance isn't even mentioned. That's why the Miniseries is a little better in some way. Including the whole "Tony" thing.
Can confirm Ewan McGregor is a gem, he was my celebrity crush for the better part of the 2015's -2020 era😅
I'm so happy you guys reacted to this Classic, hearing the facts and details about Stephen's thoughts on the adaptation, or the environment on set between cast and director. Was so interesting to me, I loved this > 4:31 idk Y but it cracked me up🤣
Just the shattered hope u had for this kid in this film. That just set the tone. This was a great reaction!✨️
You guys HAVE to watch Doctor Sleep after this
There are so many intricate details, Easter eggs, and double meanings in this movie, it’s endlessly fascinating discovering them. I think it makes everything feel subtly off and helps that feeling grow throughout.
Great party, isn't it? 🥃
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Once again, awesome reaction! A horror masterpiece!! Director Stanley Kubrick often leaves his movies very open-ended, inviting the viewer to interpret the film in their own way. Having watched many interviews and documentaries on his films, he often has actors do countless takes (some actors have said upwards of a hundred) claiming that he isn't looking for realism or believability, but something interesting. In a documentary about the Shining, Nicholson understood what Kubrick meant by this, in contrast to Shelley Duvall who clashed with the director to the point of him furiously scolding her several times during filming. (She claims she was losing her hair from the stress of working with Kubrick). Cool channel!! My vote is for Misery.
There is a tv miniseries version of The Shining as well. I couple of the CGI moments don't really hold up but it does a MUCH better job of showing Jack slowly being broken down and manipulated by the hotel.
Apparently it's a closer adaptation to Stephen King's book. In the miniseries, it seems like Jack actually likes his son whereas Jack in the movie clearly always wanted to kill his family. I actually like the miniseries version more, even though it's missing Kubrick's artistry, because I can't take the movie seriously. I saw the Simpsons parody so many times before I actually saw the movie that the movie was robbed of all its gravitas, except for the scene in Room 237.
Stephen King hated the movie . He said that the director ruined his book. In the book , Wendy is a strong woman and not a cry baby - for the weapon , an ax is never used. It's a croquet mallet - Wendy's back is broken with the mallet and the cook survives but get his teeth smashed in by the mallet . And when it comes time to kill his son , Jack can't come to do it and smashes his own head in . And the boiler explodes which makes the hotel come down .
As a 25 year old horror fan, I was a bit disappointed in this movie. It didn't have monsters and gore and stuff. Now, after mellowing out a bit, I see the domestic horror, the personality change of madness, the whole creepy movie as a masterpiece.
The book was more straight forward with the plot elements.
In the book:
- Jack does NOT have the shining, nor is he bad in the book until the hotel possesses him. He has redeemable qualities and is a struggling/recovering alcoholic.
- Danny contacts Dick Halloran on purpose
- The hotel is manipulating Jack into thinking he always worked for the hotel, when he didn't. If he did work for the hotel in 1921 and there's time travel going on, why are his wife and kid alive, and who are they?
- Dick doesn't die in the book, but the hotel jams his shining signal (more or less?) by calling him racial epithets. This allows Jack to sneak on him. Before this, Dick had to fight off evil possessed hedge animals by setting them on fire with a cigarette lighter and dousing them in gasoline. He drove in on a ski doo too, after driving up a frozen highway, dodging snow ploughs along the way, and there's paragraph upon paragraph talking about how slippery and windy (ie. twisty road + blizzard) the highway is that he has to drive up (I guess Steven King did that one time). He has to get his car pulled back onto the road after nearly driving off a cliff. Dick is an interesting character in the book who deserved more exploration. He also meets other characters who hint at a world being fleshed out.
In the movie, things are kept open to interpretation, because that was Kubrick's style. In order to keep this, he changed some details.
Aside from Dick, the book is pretty meandering - King mostly just explores the emotions of the characters, and there's not all that much plot to go through (family goes to evil hotel, it possesses the dad, starting half way through another guy goes on an adventure to save them, the mom and son have to cope), so things trod along quite slowly at 447 pages, when it could have been 250 pages. If you have the patience to look past that, it's a pretty good psychological story.
That reaction to the Indian burial ground 😂 Edit: the theory I like most is that there are two Jacks. The writer Jack and the character he’s writing about in his new story. Accounts for the changes (in tricycle, typewriter, decor etc).
I heard Kubrick would have the actors do take after take of intense scenes, then once they were totally stressed he would do another take which he would use. That's why Wendy's acting near the end seems so authentic.
This movie is so good and iconic, its a shame that Stephen King didn't like it.
--The girls who played the Grady twins WERE in fact twins. I've seen a picture of them as adults.
--The supernatural power of the hotel gets stronger as the movie goes on. First only Danny can see the ghosts, then Jack, finally Wendy. (Eventually, everyone shines at the Overlook Hotel.)
Great reaction ladies you for sure pointed things out that I have never noticed like the time inconsistencies and I've watched this movie alot. Think I need to deep dive into this rabbit hole a bit more
I don't think people understand that a debauched party scene is happening at the end - that man in a dog suit was "servicing" the guy on the bed. It was a furry situation.
When the Overlook takes someone - like Grady, the Twins, the Witch, etc - they become PART of the hotel.
Charles Grady became the Waiter, and now he's ALWAYS been the Waiter. The Grady sisters were 8 and 10 when they died, but now they've ALWAYS been the Twins. And as for Jack, now he's ALWAYS been the Caretaker.
Great reactions to an absolute classic. Yes, please do more King. Along with the traditional horror movies, I’d you haven’t already seen the Shawshank redemption or the green mile, those two Kings are on a pedestal all their own.
I like to think the portrait at the end is all the souls the hotel has collected, and all the people who have died there and they’re trapped there. I also like to think the hotel in part exists out of time, so even though the movie takes place in the 80s, Jack is also there in 1921. I also believe m that the hotel itself is sentient and malevolent and that there aren’t necessarily any malicious ghosts, and any ghosts that harm living people are just possessed by/ under the influence of the hotel
I was reading on a Shining wiki that "Tony" is Danny's future self, visiting him in the past to warn him of dangers. I always thought of him as a sort of possession within Danny.
So about the way the rooms in the hotel don't make sense being connected, if you pause during the scene with toom 237, you'll see that it couldn't possibly exist in that setting. The door is not far from a set of double doors that lead to an exit staircase.
I think other people have made this connection but it's a personal theory of mine, the hotel makes you think you're in one place while your're in another. So if you wanted to avoid a certain room, the hotel will lead you to it.
So the reason the ghosts get stronger & more apparent is because they are feeding off Danny's shining, otherwise it would be a mere rare occurance seeing a shadowy figure in the hall way.
The hotel is manipulating & using Jack to give them Danny so they can absorb his shine so they can do real harm.
RIP Shelly Duvall. She was so good in this.
I always view The Shining in the same way as I do Watchmen(the graphic novel), I appreciate it more as a constructed story and work of art than I do as entertainment. It is just a stunning achievement.
It's probably been mentioned before, but The Changeling(1980) is an underrated gem. It's unfortunately overshadowed by The Shining. But it does a lot of the same things. It has a great lead performance by a legendary actor(George C. Scott), and makes great use of sound design, score, and environment to be truly unsettling. Just not on the level of The Shining.