The Ancients are Idiots Theory
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- The Ancients are Idiots! I don't care if they invented the Stargate and time machines, they are Idiots! Taylor, The Stargate Guy explores this crazy theory and will show you 7 reason why the Ancients are idiots.
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Yes so I messed up on one word I meant to say “over the speed of light” not “at the speed of light” however the point is still valid in my opinion. Also please remember that the idiot videos are for entertainment more than education. Enjoy and thanks for watching you’re awesome!! :)
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not to mention they will never reach the supposed center of the universe or whatever they were aiming for as space expands faster than the speed of light in larger voids
I still disagree with this point, in the Ark of truth we see one of the Ancients with a schematic for a milky-way star gate, since the Ori also have access to stargate technology that is compatible with ancient technology it is more likely that the Destiny was build before the Ancients and the Ori Split off.
My head cannon is that is was the discovery of the Signal that originally caused the split.
@@Grz349 that's actually a pretty interesting point, i always hoped they would expand on the concept. but sadly people wanted their easy format of SG1 and Atlantis so Universe couldn't spread its wings.
Please, where you bought SG costume?
Carl: "Maybe we should take the Gate off the planet with those horrible parasites. And take the Gate off the planet with the life sapping bugs."
All Other Ancients: "Shut up, Carl!"
I speculate that the wraith were created in phases. Initially the Iratus bugs were probably a scientific curiosity. When they started to absorb human/lantian DNA, the ancients probably got concerned but decided to continue to study these partial wraith to find ways to immunize themselves. Eventually they realized that these partial wraith could be the key to fighting the illness that was wiping them out, so they gave more lantian DNA to the partial wraith, and unintentionally created the wraith, which them escaped and started feeding on humans on a mass scale. As they continued to feed, a generation or two later, they solidified their genome and also become much more intelligent. Then the Ancients decided to go to war against the wraith.
If they closed off the gate to the planets with the partial wraith and the iratus bugs, they wouldn't be able to observe them or collect samples for study.
@@ArticBlueFox96 Your theory is interesting, but goes against the actual lore. It's stated in the novels of the Legacy series (which are canon) that the Wraith were created around 900 years before Atlantis was abandoned by the Ancients; it was an effort to make themselves immortal in case they couldn't ascend.
The Wraith used to be normal humans who were abducted and experimented on by the Ancients, but these experiments led to the creation of the Wraith who escaped after developing their telepathic powers.
@@God_Is_An_Atheist wait what ? i always thought that the wraiths were created along with humans by the "life machine" like on dakara
@@pumpa244 Nope, they're just an experiment gone wrong. The Ancients are to blame. I suggest reading the novels yourself, they're pretty good. Or check the Wraith history in the Stargate wiki, if you don't believe me.
i believe you , i only watched the series (be it numerous times) so im sure there is canon i dont know@@God_Is_An_Atheist
The Ancients abandoned Destiny when they first discovered evolutionary Ascension. They didn't abandon it because the technology was obsolete but because the very purpose of Destiny was obsolete. Ascended beings can instantly travel anywhere in the universe so there is not much purpose for ships anymore.
As Anubis was about to destroy all life in the Milky Way by the end of season 8, Oma Desala told Daniel about the Ascended Ancients: "(They don't care because) one galaxy seems so insignificant to them compared to the infinite universe".
The ancients didn't abandon destiny. Eli wakes them up in the comics
Eh looks like I was rusty on them. They abandoned 3 engineers on the destiny during launch.
I don't consider the comics to be canon, regardless of what MGM says. Give us screen canon or nothing at all.
I am not exactly sure in which episode, but I am fairly certain, that it was stated, that it took or will take a long time for the orii to get to the milky way. This implies, that the ancients can not travel instantly to any place in the universe. As such, the destiny would not be obsolete.
@@m.h.6470 You're correct. Ascended beings cannot travel instantly anywhere in the universe. They need to use a Stargate or a Supergate to travel between galaxies. They can apparently however teleport between the Higher Planes to anywhere in whatever galaxy they currently are in and back.
However in terms of travelling between planets or galaxies while still physically within the universe or on the Higher Planes, they do appear to need a Stargate or Supergate.
The maximum known range of teleportation for an ascended being while within the physical universe appears to be from a planet to that planet's orbit.
I thought it was fairly obvious that the Ancients send out Destiny then after some time began working on Ascension and thus abandoned the Discovery project as it no longer mattered to them.
It's interested how we never got any closure as to whether or not the ancients found what they were looking for with destiny either, they may not have intended to abandon that mission but it may also have become impossible to gain the answer once ascended, or ascension was destiny's mission and they didn't know it, once they found out how to ascend they could have gotten their answer and destiny would have just been one failed attempt during an ultimately successful endeavor.
they still got the answer because of being godlike after ascension
There is a lot we don't know about Destiny. And we can't trust Rush to know everything.
the Ancients may have had a means to communicate with the ship. They may have gotten their answer, and just left the ship running.
@Edward Garcia Right,but Rush said the mission of the ship was to document the fabric of space time. To understand the origins of the universe.
I think the message was about ascension. From one of the first advanced races
To be honest, the most idiot Ancients were the ones that survived and took back Atlantis. They knew that 10.000 years have passed and things have changed, also that the replicators were active and already had planned to destroy Atlantis. But they're like "Nah, we don't care, they got a code restriction so they could never attack us. It's not like they have ever gotten out of control."
In show it was said that ancients were too proud and conceited and they could destroy wrights earlier, but they didn't take them seriously and never expected them to become such powerful till it was too late. :/
Just plain arrogance.
Yeah, those may have been the most stupid group of people ever to have graced a sci-fi tv show...
How did the Jack O'Neill & others at genes humanity evolved!
Good point and instead of letting people help them rebuild Atlantis they just thought "we can do everything on our own thank" and just activated everything they will need to just escape from there. Like the evolution device that struck Rodney.
Don't forget the Attero device, a device that makes every stargate reach critical mass when used while it's turned on....Good one Ancients
The ancients had the chance to destroy the wraith in the millions of years of their evolution. and what did they do? the waited until the wraith became as strong as the ancients and fought a 100 year war only to conclude: hmm we can't win so let'ts yeet out of this galaxy without our most powerfull ship.
@@MrLOLCraftLP1 u guys cracked me up 🤣
Frankly it always bugged me that the Ancients were so advanced they could make Stargates, Drone weapons, the Destiny, the Ark of Truth, frigging _city ships_, yet couldn't destroy a race as relatively primitive as the wraith...even the Asgard couldn't build tech on that level yet, but were capable of one shotting Ori motherships and pretty much any captital ship. Even severely outnumbered due to wraith cloning tech, they ought to be able to rip through hundreds if not thousands of wraith ships before sustaining any serious losses...
1) 1st Gen ancients are a-holes
2) 2nd Gen ancients are pacifist idiots
3) 3rd Gen ancients ( if you read fanfic) are morons and brain dead fools
I think the Nox were the smartest of the three remaining Races.
don't forget the furlings
True, though the Furlings had never appeared and their tech was advanced like the other three. Maybe in some galaxy they are still around
Well they were certainly the wisest.
Well based of what I can see, they are not the smartest. They just don't screw up yet. Ha ah! Just trolling....
Agreed.
Well, they are reasons why The Ancient have their own subcategory in TVTropes's section on Neglectful Precursor.
Wow, so much wrong in so little time. 1) Destiny was an abandoned project, sent from the earliest point in their interstellar history. We have no information that they did not find the answers they sought at some later time when their technology was more advanced. I highly doubt in 100,000 years any humans will remember the voyager probes. It is very likely that in the future, man may be able to easily leapfrog the voyager probes by traveling faster. There is a great old sci-fi episode(outer limits or twilight zone, I can't remember) where a man falls in love with a woman, and then leaves on a long range mission that will take decades. He decides to not freeze himself so that he can come back at the same age as his love, she freezes herself so she can spend her life with him and they are both screwed because a few years after he left, man figured out a way to get there in weeks instead of decades, rendering his mission useless.
2) They didn't "wuss out" they were afraid of 2 things, first that there would be unforeseen consequences, for example the replicators turning against them, and secondly that the wraith might reprogram them to attack ancients instead of wraith. The ancients knew that replicators required neutronium, and by destroying the neutronium deposits, it was likely that the replicators would be contained, but not destroyed, just in case they were later needed.
3) Project Arcturus was an experimental project towards the end of the war. The ancients needed to test the system, which had the potential of destroying a star system, but didn't necessarily have the time and resources for bench testing. The wraith were already going to attack the planet, so it wasn't like the people were going to die twice. Either the system worked, and killed the attacking wraith, or the system didn't work and the people died from the fallout instead of the wraith. When you are losing a war, you will try anything to turn the tide.
4) We have no idea what the ancients did with the time machine. It is possible that they attempted to use it, and the temporal damage was worse every time. What if they used the time machine, and each time they went back to fix things, upon return the wraith were in control of more space? As a human example, Hitler made quite a few tactical mistakes, attacking russia in the winter, banning the production of submachine guns for assault troops, bad strategy in many campaigns. If the US were to invent a time machine to go back and kill Hitler at the beginning of the war, it is more likely that we would have a much harder time because a more capable tactician could end up in control of Germany, leading to more losses, not less. The ancients could have determined this, and banned the use of time machines on these grounds.
5) They likely used the same technology (Dakara) to create life galaxy wide, and a galaxy is a very, very large thing. Fledgling life would be primitive and not immediately mobile.It's not like they abandoned them, just they weren't aware that the bugs even existed. And it is more likely that they were overconfident enough to assume that they could take any alien race that sprung up on the new colonies, being how advanced the ancients already were.
6) We have no idea why those resources were created, or why they were abandoned. If for example the ships and technology were left behind because they were deep in enemy space at the end of the war, it could be that either they were considered destroyed, or it would be too dangerous to retrieve. It is easier to build a new ship than it is to lose 3 ships trying to retrieve a ship inside enemy space. The ancients could probably pop out ZPMs like we pop out duracells, so ZPMs were not a major concern to them. Just because humans cannot create ZPMs doesn't mean the people that invented them couldn't. As for the fallen ancient city, again, we have no idea why it was abandoned. Perhaps the entire population was culled, and retrieving it would have been too costly in lives and resources. Ancients likely could make all the drones they needed. The asgard had the ability to create stuff from energy, it is possible that the ancients also had that capability. Is it worth it to risk a battlecruiser and the few soldiers you have left to retrieve an easily replaceable commodity? No.
7) The ancients and the Ori had one major difference, and it was a big difference. The ancients did not interfere because it would cause worship, and worship would grant additional power, they did not wish to become corrupted by that power, as the ori were. It is likely that the ancients were not capable of killing the ori, because the ori had a galaxy full of worshipers, that added to their power and the ancients did not. It is highly likely that the ori ships and pryors had technology that protected them from ancient detection or attack. It is also possible that the ancients, being from a higher plane, knew how the events would turn out and knew that SG-1 would assemble the weapon and kill all the ascended ori, so they didn't bother interfering. In the end, they managed to allow humans to grow through conflict.
voyager doesn't exist. it's just CGI and the NASA Universe doesn't exist either. the world is flat and motionless
@@Zero11s LOL. Unless you are being serious, and in that case, get some help.
Point 4 time machine weir going back in time was the proof of concept. After which janus was ordered to destroy it. Never to be used. He defied them and went off on his own and built another which he did use to observe a population in the past
@@jackass123455 Ahh, but was weir the first user of that machine, or the last? The machine sat for millennia for Weir to find in the first timeline, and only after it was discovered in the second, did the leaders order it destroyed. What if they knew how temporal manipulation worked out, because they already used it in the first time line and consistently made that timeline worse? Along pops up this human from the future, and they are like "you should destroy that"
Well... You had time
1) The answer is 42
The Tower's ZPM was barely working. Shepard ran it out without even trying
The Prophets from Deep Space 9 did that, wipe out the enemy before they could reach our part of the galaxy
You forgot the satellite they left in their star system to destroy the siege at the end of season 1
Also you forgot that their computers don't really have a proper search engine on their computers, they could look up alien whales and their biology just fine but try to find out how to make or recharge a ZPM? Forget it
They built machines that give you exploding tumors Sunday season 3 episode 17 and give you superpowers but if you don't ascend in time, you die. Tao of Rodney season 3 ep
The different times they actually met Ancients, they were EXTREMELY arrogant, prideful, know it alls who thought their fecal matter has no aroma and they could do no wrong. That's probably why they died off
This is just a few reasons why they are idiots
But with the tower there for drones that where perfectly good and some drones and the ZPM was used for 10,000 years after the war. So presumably there was more power and drones at the time of the war.
@@TheStargateGuy Yes the was a ZPM there and thousands of drones but the drones got their power from the ZPM And that was being drained bit by bit by the nobles on that planet to punish the peasants by the time the Atlantis team found it. The final time the used it punish them Shepard told Rodney to fire off the cities main engine, draining off whatever energy it had left and it died and so did their drones.
Atlantis didn't get a ZPM but they did get a BUNCH of drones and puddlejumpers out of the deal
@Steve the Pirate they may be, but remember, they're still projectiles. Projectiles with shields for penetration that explode when in the right position (iirc). (Though, yes, there were many wastes like with the Orion and times when someone uses 3 drones to take out a single dart *Sheppard*)
@@TheStargateGuy I would say that based on the fact that a ZPM was used to 7% in 10,000 years generating a EM field (episode with the primitaive kids, can't recall the name). It is safe to say that the ZPM in there experienced a comparable amount of energy usage, if slightly less. This means that the ZPM would *have to* have been near full capacity back during the wraith war.
@@benruss4130 i have a question, the episode with the kids, and the shield that prevented technology from working, their zpm lasted 10,000 years, yet in the episode they found the other dr weir in stasis, she had to change out the zpms ever few thousand years to barely last when the expedition team arrived in the alternate future? I guess the shield was constantly being drained by the water pressure, but it still seems like having 3 would of easily lasted a long while longer than what it did in the first episode, to the point weir never had to go back in time in the first place giving them a time machine to use, but i suppose that the only reason (possibly) why Sg1 found the jumper with the time machine was because the high council of the ancients ordered him to destroy it, where he had to build it in the milky way galaxy, idk just thoughts
They make the ancients seem like some kind of type 3 civilization level threat with insane technology, but time and time again we're shown them basically just being advanced humans at best, who seemingly stumble upon godlike tech, misuse or hardly use it at all, and then most of them turned into energy and peaced out.
Early on in SG1 I really hoped they'd hardly show or never show the ancients. I wanted them be almost magical in their ancient advanced ways.
Ancients can be summed up by this exchange from end of season 1 of SGA: "You wanted to leave? Without a fight?"
"Yes sir."
"I don't think so, we are going to deffend our Atlantis whatever the cost."
"Sir, we are talking here about the race that defeated the ancients!"
"But they have never faced the United states marines."
(Or something along those lines, I haven't watch SGA with the original dubing but it always makes me laugh that every super advanced spacefaring civilization doesn't stand a chance against Earth's military complex. Ancients, Goa'uld, Wraith, Asgard, Tolan and the list goes on.)
Lol
your a loser bro
And specifically the U.S.'s military because it is for the most part just the U.S. with the ground/space forces.
@@VacomaTeParjila Yes, but the series does a really good job at representing other countries. With the exception of O'neill they are even very friendly towards russians and on Atlantis almost everyone from scientists to soldiers has different flag on their shoulder.
human and american hubris and being both i feel uniquely qualified to state that
That's why it's called science "fiction". I couldn't go past 4 minutes because anyone who has to use the word "freakin" 3,475 times to make 7 points needs to take a speaking class
Their non intervention policy also stopped Daniel from helping SG1 stop Anubis (another ascended being) as Anubis laid waste to entire species and star systems, seen in season 4 finale.
And then had the gawl to randomly haunt Daniel for his return to humanity.
Ikr, but it was ok for omadesala to interfere to stop him. They claim not to care to much about our pithy litle galaxy but care enough to stop anyone else from caring. Except oma, which i get was supposed to be her punishment for enabling anubis in the first place, but imagine a member of your species let a plague of, i dont know, crop eating locust loose that weren't a threat to you but would go on to wipe up entire ecosystems, and you mad a rule that only the dumbass who let them loose was aloud to do anything to stop it as punishment to that individual. They would let entire worlds be annihilated, even a highly populated galaxy, just to teach a lesson to one of their own. I dont think "enlightenment" means what they think it means...
Those aren’t the ancients. Those are the energy beings previously known as the ancients.
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For the ancient ascended, the life forms on our plane of existence are no more important than a puddle with millions of bacteria is for us.
Considering they probably had the means to control the gate network in the Pegasus galaxy, they could have temporarly shut down the gate network and activated the Arturo device, then picked off the wraith ships outside of the lantea system, however that would have destroyed the main protagonists in the sga series. Imho if the show was real, and I had the chance to stand in front of the high council of Atlantis i would tell them that they are selfish and short sighted. Governed by a group that is more interested in leaving the concerns of this plane of existence behind them (Moros > merlin etc) than the well-being of civilizations they help foster and defend.
The Lantean civilization benefited from the vast knowledge and works that came before them, they however were lesser than their Avalon (milky way galaxy) ancestors and slowly descended into arrogance and self interest (ascension).
Yes. The invention of Atero device doesn't compute with the Wraith's victory. Humans wrote Stargate virus at least 2 times in Milky Way galaxy, commanding and disabling Stargates. Disable Stargates, then turn on the device, then take the galaxy back.
Writers made some mistakes.
Destiny has an intergalactic FTL drive, i.e. it's faster than light and fast enough to travel the vast distances between galaxies. The Ancient probably preferred that technology over hyperdrive for Destiny because it's more reliable over a long period of time. I mean how many times have we seen hyperdrive engines break?
Or they simply hadn't discovered hyperdrive technology yet.
@@DiscipleOfHeavyMeta1 Maybe, but hyperdrive tech is ubiquitous amongst species in the stargate universe who are less advanced than the ancients were when they built the Destiny. Hyperdrive seems to be something most species discover first.
Destiny's FTL is the only way they could get the data about the Universe that they wanted. They could still scan space but if they flew in subspace they could not scan normal space and get the data they needed.
@@bweakland2003 They could have got the data if Destiny was travelling via Hyperspace. But that means they require a significantly better power source and a long range subspace transmitter. This has two side effects, 1) they act as beacons 2) more costlier and potentially could run out of power sooner.
Also its quite probable that Destiny's gate and the gate on the seed ships make, are not the same model. The ones on the planets will have the sensors arrays which are getting the information not Destiny. Those gates do have power sources, just not for dialing.
Yes so I messed up on one word I meant to say “over the speed of light” not “at the speed of light” however the point is still valid in my opinion.
1 word: Anubis
Ancients: Oma Desala, We punish you by letting a tyrant with all our knowledge enslave and destroy all life in the galaxy.
Seriously, their legal system is f'ed up.
She is the one responsible for helping anubis ascend so yea she is responsible
Instead of dealing with their problems they ran from them.
They ran from the plague (Though understandable), They ran from the Wraith instead of employing proper military tactics that a frigging stone age society could figure out (Unforgiveable), They allowed the Goa'uld to rise (No comment), The "others" allowed Anubis to rampage accross the galaxy and also allowed him/it way too much understanding of ancient technology and wiping out entire civilizations that could normally defend themselves against the Goa'uld(*BLEEEEP*)...
They were a civilization of total science geeks!
I still don't get the Anubis thing. Anubis was allowed to do so much, but when another ascended attempted to do anything, they were immediately stopped or punished. Rules only seemed to apply to the moral.
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My point exactly and they also owed the Tau'ri for saving their worthless ascended butts.
But I guess that the writers had to figure out a way to create a better villain and neutralise for example the Tollan but still the "Others's" policy was seemingly just BS as it only applied to the ones wanting to do some good like Oma.
SHADOWWOLF77 don't forget the Ori.
The Ori didn't use any knowledge or power they acquired after they ascended in the invasion of the milky way. If they did, the ascend ancients would have intervened. It was mentioned in one of the episodes. Orlan took it upon himself to help the milky way or rather to help Sam.
The Ori where too powerful to stop them inside their own galaxy. There they could completely ignore the laws of all other ascended.
This can be looked at from two different perspectives. First, (sorry if I rant out of order) I have issues with the Lanteans more than their Alteran ancestors in the Milky Way. They did a fire and forget when they created humans in Pegasus, but the canon book in the SGA series actually debunked the iratus bug/human natural cross-evolution theory. Actually adds to the list of Lantean follies.
As for time travel, Einstein would have slapped everyone who thought about using it. One word: causality! Forget the butterfly and grandfather effects, try full-on paradox. If you go back and prevent something from happening, how do you then know to go back in time to fix it the second time. You'd actually just make a new alternate reality, and the original timeline/reality would still experience the events you're trying to prevent. Unless you're a Time Lord, and can build a machine to counteract paradox's, time travel is too tricky to attempt.
Destiny wasn't before its time, per se, and they died off or ascended millions of years ago. Also, if it were me, I would have made a drone version, not a habitable ship, to send out. So much space was given over to life support and crew areas. A much smaller, purpose-built ship could have acted as a data gathering drone. Honestly, what's the purpose of a crew, anyway? They only want the data, there wasn't really a physical destination at the end of Destiny's mission, just the need to cover vast distances to collect as much of the signal as possible. Wait a million years, track the ship, then fly out through hyperspace to retrieve it. Drop off a newer, updated drone ship to take over the mission, replacing the previous one that has a million years of wear and tear on it. Take the last million year's data back to be analyzed, then lather, rinse and repeat until you have everything you need.
The Asuran replicators were supposed to be just nanites, like a disease, but kept wanting to form larger collectives, in other words, humanoid shapes. The Lantean's confuse me, in that they bombard the planet, thinking they destroyed them, but don't go back to check. Also, after the Alliance of human, Traveler and Wraith destroy their planet, Weir's rebel replicators, flying an Aurora, say they can't detect any remaining nanites. Why couldn't the Lanteans detect the surviving nanites, using the same technology? Lastly, aside from failing to add a failsafe code, why did they have to make them aggressive? Machines don't need to feel to kill. I would think following their programming would be more efficient in killing the Wraith.
The abandoned "key pieces of military tech" wouldn't have helped. A few ships vs hundreds of hives is a non-starter. The "Tower" buried city-ship, I somehow got the idea that it crashed. (The premise for this episode always seemed flimsy to me, like they just needed a way to replenish the drones and Jumpers they'd used up and lost during the seasons.) If it was abandoned during the war, especially if the Wraith attacked it, why didn't the Wraith take the ZPM? In the books, the Wraith only overpowered and outnumbered the Lanteans because of a few captured ships ZPMs which they used to power cloning facilities. If they knew about the Tower, why wasn't it picked bare, instead of the ZPM slowly being depleted over time by foolish "Lord Protectors"?
My biggest issue with Project Arcturus is not the technology, or the weapon used to bleed off excess produced energy, but that they went full-scale on the prototype. Unless they literally couldn't, they should have done a proof of concept prototype small enough to hold in their hand, but of course, they were Ancients, and the Ancients do everything big! They were famous for offworld research bases. Why not this time? Why not build or convert a small ship, like a cruiser, into a mobile lab rather than use a populated planet. They could have even made the lab detachable from the ship, so they could eject it and jump to hyperspace, leaving it to explode harmlessly in empty space.
As for the Ascended wiping out Ori followers in the Milky Way, yes there's the non-interference rule, but they allowed Morgan to preserve Merlin, all those years ago. They must have been planning to "not interfere" and allow him to eventually carry out his plans against the Ori, just not then.
All of this, however, has a much simpler explanation. It's a TV show!!! Abandoned, damaged ships were plot devices to give the viewers new drama to watch as the heroes continue to scrape by against overwhelming odds. You'll notice that every Aurora Atlantis got their hands on was destroyed not long after they got it. Each example of Alteran/Ascended/Lantean stupidity is just a way to introduce something for the heroes to get their hopes up over for each new episode.
The reason why the Atlantis expedition never got ahold of the way to make ZPMs or more drones was entirely to keep the heroes as the underdogs. If humans suddenly had access to nearly unlimited ZPM and drones, coupled with the plasma beams and other Asgard technology, the show would be very boring. They could have just asked the AI in the Asgard computer core to give them the means to make neutrino-ion generators, and they could have built enough to easily power the Stargate to Pegasus, as well as install enough on Atlantis to fully power the ship. It's not like they really need all of those empty towers. lol If the four generators on an Asgard ship could nearly equal a ZPM in output, a dozen or so on Atlantis would have the ship up and around in no time. But, if they had it too easy, we would have never bought it as an audience, and the show would have ended long before MGM went bankrupt.
Without the struggle to survive from episode to episode, I would never have watched all three shows in the SG universe from start to finish. The heroes getting the upper hand, and gaining access to the most powerful tech is better left for fan fiction. I'll never publish it, because I'm an atrocious writer, but that's why I wrote one of my own. I can give them a christmas list of tech, and even ship whoever I want together, but I keep hesitating to let the bad guys have a fighting chance. Thus, it will never see the light of day.
All true, and don't forget that project arcturus energy weapon they could at least taken the energy weapon to get something out of it and station it in Atlantis to fend off wraith and enemy ships or Jerry rig it on the Daedalus ship to use , using a few naquadah generators to power it even on low power mode the energy weapon should be strong enough to take out hive ships
"Destiny is a ship going at or near the speed of light, meaning that it's actually not going very fast."
This is completely false though? Granted it does not utilize hyperspace but it uses FTL (Faster than Light). Many times during the series was it stated to be going thousands of times the speed of light...
At the beginning of SGU it is stated that it goes 1-3 c. So it is slow as F even compared to wraith ships.
@@benruss4130 That wouldn't even make sense as the void between galaxies is huge by comparison that it would take nearly a million years to hop from one to the other and they did it in the matter of a couple of weeks
@@bluealteran4599 you are preaching to the choir. SGU had more plot holes regarding that ship's speed than Swiss cheese
@@benruss4130 Damn 😂
Redundant systems and power management. I swear that all of the systems that had redundancies were the systems that never needed them and the systems that didn't have redundancies or at least damage control of some sort were the ones about to kill everyone. For example, they built a great and powerful city-ship, Atlantis, that could fly into space and to other galaxies but didn't incorporate emergency doors capable of withstanding the vacuum of space, or even the water that it was meant to be able to float on. Then there is the shield and cloak of Atlantis, come on you couldn't see how effective the jumper cloak was and think that maybe you could really use that right now. If only there was a redundant set of shield emitters to convert very easily into a cloak.
They also obviously didn't think about how much power they used. If I was building something as complex and important as a city ship, I would want it to be able to survive and function no matter what was thrown at it or taken out of it. If I had the resources of the Ancients at my disposal, I would still want everything to be able to run with minimal or no outside power being supplied to it. They had power sources smaller and easier than ZPMs, why couldn't they at least incorporate them throughout the city if not in every room or machine to leave the really big stuff to the ZPMs. No, they didn't even program a power saving mode to cut power to everything that is not the only thing between you and death. And if the city was completely cut off they had absolutely no way to make more. I would think that they would have thrown in stellar plasma collectors that they have had SINCE THE DESTINY to recharge the city-ship, or at least have some ship to go collect it for you. And why didn't they at least have the plasma collectors on the battleships that would be on the front lines getting pummeled and depleting ZPMs. Also the ZPMs, genius idea, but why can't energy be pumped back into them like a rechargeable battery instead of a throughout. You could have the battleships running on ZPMs in conjunction with their own power systems and plasma collectors, and then while in the star you could recharge the ZPMs.
There is also the stargate itself. The Asurans gave me this idea. They pumped a massive amount of energy through that thing and in doing so were able to transfer power across the galaxy potentially indefinitely. If there were energy harvesters like at a star collecting plasma or a Dyson Swarm reflecting light to solar cells, they could have built a different type of stargate that was meant just for energy transfer and not tied into the other networks. They could have powered anything from anywhere with anything.
Lastly there are the Asurans. Obviously the Ancients messed up by just bombing them, but I'm talking about the technology itself in other applications. They could have built nanoprobes that were not nearly as intelligent nor used as a weapon, all they had to do was build and repair stuff. The Asurans repaired the main parts of Atlantis within hours and they rebuilt a whole fleet of battleships within days or weeks. If the Ancients would have utilized the replicators' exponential construction abilities, then they probably would have won the war.
Well..... may be they are no longer able to perform simple thinking !!!! Just ask the Asgard!!!!
"It was your dumb idea" Thor to Colonel Carter
But at least the Asgard are actually cool
@@odst1172 Firstly this and secondly they listend to another race, that wasn't so much evolved like them. I think, the Ancients never had some sort of "Simple thinkers" who saw the whole thing and said "Guys, that would be a VERY bad idea." And even if they would've had a race like the humans who helped the Asgard, i think the ancients were far to arrogant to see their own mistakes because they are soooo much more evolved and far more superior... or something like that.
We saw it, when Elisabeth Weir traveled back in time and we saw it, when the not ascended Ancients took back Atlantis. They treated the humans, who had more success in defeating the Wraith in a few years than the Ancients in their entire war time, from far above down.
I'm very glad stargate is still reverent to some people, I got into it with my dad. I havent gotten to watch anything past sg1 but I will get to it and I'm SO happy to see this video in my recommended
I really love sg1 and i just started atlantis yesterday i tough i wouldnt like it but its not that bad seriously if i where you id give it a try :)
@@kevinasselin4942 I will, i am currently still in high school and work full time so I dont have a lot of free time
Indeed. You should definitely watch SGA and SGU. Skip SGO, it's utter crap. Ah don't forget all movies, those are great addition, actually the 1994 Stargate movie is one that everything started from.
While I agree that the ancients were hubristic fools I think one big problem is that we don't quite know the timescale nor the nature of some of these projects. It could be that the ancients recognized that the galaxies they were in were big and as such a planet here or there isn't really much of a worry. Especially if the universe was much more empty at the time.
Then you have the likelihood that many of these projects are thousands if not millions of years apart and were small black ops projects. We see it all the time on earth with Egyptian, Roman and ancient Chinese artifacts.
Plus when it comes to the zpm. The ancients probably mass produced them.
That said. They were intelligent but damn were they not smart.
Exactly. The ancients occupied the Milky Way for millions of years and Pegasus for 3-5 million years. Things change.
The term smartest dumb guy comes to mind
I can only imagine the ancients fell to the same issue as the asgard, they were too smart for their own good. By advancing as they did they left behind the ability to find simple solutions. I guess you could say they misplaced Occam's Razor. Luckily we are nowhere near there yet. Considering we still burn fossil fuels, pay to watch cars go in circles, and think digital watches are a pretty neat idea.
Ok... so 1st one - not really, after Destiny was launched they were on the path to ascension so it BECAME obsolete. It was not during launch. 2nd - you don't know the chronology. Repository of knowledge might as well contain data and technologies obtained AFTER pegasus replicators (failed) annihilation. But if ancients are idiots for NOT building a failsafe switch to nanobots (but embedding "don't harm ancients" command) how would you categorize humans for experimenting on very deadly viruses with no failsafe switch, no cure at all? 3rd - guess what, didn't Rodney and Zelenka learned of exotic particle creation only AFTER failed start-up? Didn't Sklodowska-Curie discovered that glowing of polonium might not be the best thing to the health AFTER she exposed herself to it and got sick? Well .. unexpected results or byproducts are inherent part of many experiments. If ancients were idiots for experimenting with something going beyond subspace and our reality they who are we? ;) 4th - well sure, things went a lot better to the alternate timeline on Moebius, right? Everyone was so happy right? No? How come? Ohhh... something went wrong. Ok... Harry Potter then, why not just go back in time with Hermione's gadget and kill Tom Riddle (as shown in some parody animation) ? ;) Or Star Trek - slingshot back in time and kill borg ;) Well in all of those cases there was a reasoning 1 - you can't be sure altered timeline will be better (yes, butterfly, not to count many ppl alive would never exist in alternate timeline so what exactly is good in sacrificing those?), 2 - you can create a paradox threatening existence of the entire universe (grandfather). So what's idiotic in ban to time travel? And the last one - didn't they mention they were already outgunned? So what good would 3 aurora class battlecruisers do? One asgard-beam based Dedalus might successfully engage several of those (replicator's replicas ;) ) and wraith only needs to send more hives (and guess what - initial atlantis siege was 3 hives and several cruisers - more than enough for 1 aurora class; next wave was 12 hives, more than enough for 3 auroras). Ancients did submerge the city because shields would not hold out the bombardment of the whole armada. Outpost in "Tower" had non-functional star drive (so was stationary, all they could do is salvage some drones).
Now then if those 5 arguments were examples of ancient idiocy then how would you categorize 1. establishing extremely costly installation on icarus-type planet which destroys itself once it dials destiny ;) 2. nuking shipyards vastly superior species, 3. recreating failed and abandoned ancient experiment not once but TWICE with a huge explosion as a result, 4. moebius ;) stargate continuum... 5. Ok... so Woolsey found ancient lab full of toys made by Janus. With Attero out of the way the best way would be to salvage it... but hey, why don't just blast it ;) Replicator's homeworld - so we suck those bastards down to the planet and have plenty of ZPMs down there waiting to beam up (as shown in Siege 2 ZPM can be asgard-beamed) ... nah, better let them to be destroyed; salvage some of those empty aurora-class replicator manufactured ships and divide between atlantis and travelers? Nah, let them burn! Grow their own Hive ship? Nah... kill it entirely, not preserve even a sample. Got a free hiveship in their hands? Smash it to the cloning facility instead of overloading ZPM ... Soo is technological advancement actually the same thing as all-knowing and never making mistakes? Nope.
Thought it was crazy when they refused to intervene when the Ori were making ascended killing weapons.
Yeah...
If you watched the show you know that the ancients has moral code that they will never cross and the line was clear. And you cannot judge them based on our own moral values. Their thought patterns and logic was different than ours. The same thing can be said about the Nox. They rather die than crossing the line of their moral values codes or principles.
@@lylelaney8270 yer but in the episode when a ascended ancient fell in love with Sam, he said that they can intervene if they have a collective vote. The thing give me a sec didn't intervene when Anubis was going to wipe out all existence in the Milky Way based off their technology
@@ravenmuppet3138 I don't remember what Orlan actually said but as far as I remembered it was stated that if the Ori were to use the knowledge and powers that they acquired after they ascended, the ancients would have stop them. The Ori also felt that the ancients were hypocrites because they have shielded the knowledge about the milky way from them. The same thing with Anubis. He didn't use any of the knowledge that he acquired after he ascended. At least not directly. He searched out the tech was left behind by the ancient and used that to improved upon goa'uld tech. Anubis was also a form of punishment for Oma Desala. Orlan took upon himself to help Sam and paid the consequence.
In the mortal world. They could not .
My only criticism is about Destiny’s speed.
“Faster than light, but not Hyperspace”. And yet even after millions of years of near continues use, it can still cross a galaxy in a few years and the bridge the expanse between galaxies in a few weeks.
Remember, three years to pass through “a very large galaxy” and cross a very large void to the next galaxy. That’s a whole lot faster than near lightspeed or just above, but none the less, just a fraction as fast as speeds that they are use to. And with millions of years of wear without a maintenance check could have slowed the ship considerably, just as with the rest of the systems which are operating far below factory specs.
Didn't the Destiny have maintenance/repair drones, that could manage the ship operational? Perhaps they did more than just repair broken stuff? Maybe they cleaned up dust/sediments, did a maintenance checks regularly? Well the show clearly stated that there are repair drones, I guess they didn't bother to introduce the concept of maintenance to the viewers. If that's lazy writing for you, then so be it.
They found the drones in boxes, I think that it was only the one until the Season 2 ep “Twin Destiny’s”. Though the Ancients likely outfitted the ship with a few active drones, it’s been millions of years and aliens have tried to take Destiny in the past.
They found the ship with a lot of wear-and-tear and damage, with sections sealed off and parts and systems working at far below ideal capacity, such as the drives and batteries and weapons and air filters, were often major plots right from the start.
You get dust from dead skin, animals, insects and airborne dirt and sand. The Destiny would’ve only been exposed to skin and that would’ve been prior to its launch.
They wanted to contrast the Destiny era of tech/architecture with that of the Atlantis era, where everything seemed to be in near mint condition despite being up to a few million years old (which I figure was thanks to nano tech), as well as to underline that it was never manned despite being clearly designed for people.
The only problem that I have with this is that everything breaks down at the molecular and even atomic level. But with the Ancients being a Kardeshev 3 level civilization, the writers of the Franchise regularly bypassed this with “they built things to last”. Which makes sense, when considering the Destiny’s mission.
All told, I don’t take this as really a problem with the writing or a plot hole by itself.
it's all just bullshit, research flat earth
1: We can create scientific marvels, but are led by politicians who do not understand the internet ...
2: All the technological might of the Ancients could not defeat the Wraith, not because they were not superior, but simply because the wraith overwhelmed them with sheer numbers , a single puddlejumper could take out a wraith hive ship, but enough hive sips and darts can defeat any number of ancient ships ...
Well honestly messing with time is extremely dangerous but mixed with a phase shifting technology it could at least be used for observation and small scale rescue.
As long as you bring people that were supposed to die into your current timeline the paradox does not happen.
The past considers them dead and you get new scientists with knowledge that was supposed to be lost for instance.
Once the Ancients learned to ascend they basically stopped caring about the corporeal realm.
The Alteran culture was schismatic from the earliest traceable parts of its history. So much so, that whole galaxies came to reflect that nature. And so, it is unsurprising that in our study of their histories within the Milky Way and Pegasus galaxies we find great potential for hubris and techno-politics. In Pegasus, particularly, this complicated political process was violently interrupted by the uplifting of an entirely new form of life. The emergence of the incipient form of Wraith was met with decades long debates over rights to life and, natural evolution. And when the threat was fully realised, it was the Alteran successes that went largely unrecorded. No one mentions the Argonias star system, which was pushed out of phase and hidden from the wraith. Or the pocket dimension device that still protects the Kortana system. Or the great Star Lift engines of Phirra, that pushed the whole Aurellian sector out of the galaxy altogether. All the while fighting the massing Wraith, defending the galaxy-wide inhabited worlds, and advancing their culture and technology. The facts are that when the Alterans succeeded, their victories endured for thousands of years, perhaps some endure still, untouched.
And we're walking...
And where walking....good points
1. Destiny is faster than the speed of light and Ancients accended so ships are no longer needed. 2. Atlantis replicator solution was effective for thousands of years 3.That is military for ya. 4.How does it work? Alternative timelines - 1 saved 1 with all dead? 5. How scientifically accurate are life sucking bugs? We made killer bees as mistake. 6. Wraiths had overun the ancients with endless numbers. 7. Yet somehow everything ends up perfectly set up for the accended ancients at the end.
He could have made good points, but these are so lazy, half-baked, or wrong...
1) FTL (faster than light, but not hyperspace) - he's just wrong; also if they gained the knowledge when they ascended, it was meaningless to them
2) Yeah, seems ineffective, though also was told from the asuran's point of view
3) ZP from normal space was known to be risky, and was only attempted out of desperation
4) Ethics of time travel - to what extent do you play god? Also, his tech was banned because the the 'beward of unforseen consequences' philosophy
5/6) In universe continuity - numbers > tech; real life equivalent would be this guy saying the Germans were idiots because there is no way they should have lost in russia during WW2 because of equipment advantage
7) Again, to what level do you want them playing god? The entirity of the Ori storyline was to show what ascended beings interfering would look like and how bad it is
Yes so I messed up on one word I meant to say “over the speed of light” not “at the speed of light” however the point is still valid in my opinion.
Here's an obvious thing. If they do make a new Stargate series that unites all the others, as has been mentioned, I see: The Ancients launched Destiny long before they ascended. We don't know why they never recalled it. Maybe it just got overlooked or lost. Maybe it never collected the data they wanted. Now that it's not lost and there is a need for it here I see them pressing the hidden super hyperspace "recall button" built into Destiny. Couple months later it arrives at Earth to repair, resupply and continue its mission and we have the basis of a new SG series with all of our favorite people on it. (I just wonder if the new crew will include Wraith and Ancients?) It's not interfering. Destiny is a human made ship sent out by humans. Recalling it early is not much interferance and they've sure done worse. After the Adria/Morgan battle they may have decided to take a more "hands on" approach to the galaxy.
I have no idea who the bad guys would be though.
Interesting idea.
Russians LOL everyone can grasp them being the bad guys as we have plenty of movies with this premise. I actually on a more serious note have a vague idea, 8 times 80, clavia thing 8 different universes connected by a maze it contains cabins small caves paths through the woods to said universe's gate the maze has dozens of exits into the various universes but only 8 have segments of the key in question you need all 640 bits to get to a paradise which has wonders and knowledge from all over the place paradise is run by a species of superpeople
When you consider that almost everything wrong that happens in the Stargate universe is their fault, this list is being very kind.
One of the most advanced hominid species in the whole show, dress in completely in Whites, beiges, and Silver.
They look like a cross between a bad renfaire outfit and a bad scifi cosplay
My theory is that there are 2 types of ancient the alteran and the lantians who were human uplifted buy the alterans who survived the plague.
Agreed there does seem to be a difference between those who left the Ori galaxy (Alterans) and the Lantians. The Lantians seem much closer to the Tau'ri in terms of attitude eg building weapons of war, going off to fight in battles.The Alterans on the other hand seem like they would sooner pack up and leave rather than stepping on anybodys toes otherwise why didn't they fight the Ori?
Alteran lady from the start of the Ark of Truth "We believe in the systematic understanding of the physical world through observation and experimentation" Tell that to the Lantians ay ?
Well remember there there was millions of years between coming to the Milky Way and going to Pegasus. So yeah cultures and attitudes are gonna change over millions of years.
I remember a plague mentioned in a episode but did they ever get deeper in to that story
@@TheStargateGuy I suppose it's just strange because it seems more of a regression in terms of the path to ascension. I know when Sheppard gets caught in the time dilation field those trying to ascend had to face their fears but they didn't actually have to fight anything it was just an acknowledgement of their fears.
@@stargatefever that all the much as it was mostly a plot device to explain why they ancients were gone. tho in one episode they explain they used the stargate network to wipe all life in the milky way galaxy in hope of stopping it (they reseeded the milky way and then left for Pegasus galaxy ). it didn't work mind you as it was half the reason they lost to the wrath in pegasus. they brought it back with them as the fled back to earth and those that made it either worked on ascended or lived out their live with the humans on earth were they fought the goa'uld.
i believe thats how it all worked out but its been awhile.
1:14 I think you got some facts wrong with the Destiny, there is NO WAY Destiny's FTL travels "near or at the speed of light", firstly because it's called "FTL", and secondly because it crosses an entire galaxy in one year and the void between galaxies in a few years.
Also, your last point about non-interference by the ascended Ancients, even to kill priors or soldiers alien to the Milk-Way, was actually explained by (the Gorgeous Brazilian Actress) Adria. The Ori were taunting the ascended Ancients to do exactly that, to break their own rule, and they rather die than break it (in a massive scale, small exceptions as punishment, like Oma and Morgan were ok), because then, who would define where the limit was? As an eternal being, who's to say a few million years later they wouldn't have become the Ori themselves.
I refer you to my pinned comment at the top
@@TheStargateGuy In that case, if your point wasn't that they would be unsuccessful because of a speed problem (even though you said "near the speed of light" and to go from the Milky way to Andromeda in 5 years one has to travel at half a million light years per year), but instead that they didn't follow up, I remind you that the 9th chevron was made so they could board Destiny in transit, but their mysterious disease prevented them. Idiots for not finding a cure? Maybe, but nothing to do with the Destiny project.
Yeah man, I know it's entertainment, but you make content for Nerds, we nit-pick, that's what we do. 😂😂
Can you explain wormhole drive shown in last episode of Stargate Atlantis
Basically makes a stargate without a stargate between any two points.
Can anyone explain wormhole drive.? Lol I’ll add it to the list and give it a try.
its a point to point ftl drive like look at the ftl from new bsg samething
adamsrealm Why didn’t the ori do this instead of building the big star gate
@@Lery85lery because it looks less impressive than imploding a stellar body and deploying big stargate nuggets to form a giant glittering swimming pool in space that disgorges glowing toilet seats of death...
They should’ve dealt with their own mistake of letting Anubis run wild in the galaxy
A hundred hundred thousand = 10 million. Rush was technically correct
He didn’t say that though.
He didn't need to. Hundreds implies up to thousands
i have another one they had a maschine that stoped the wraith from using hyperspace and didnt use it because it caused stargates to explode when they are activated easy solution deactivate the stargate network and pick the wraith one by one or until they managed to create a version only affecting a region of space allowing to slowly release the stargates as the wraith were eliminated from said regions
timetravel would most likely change nothing in your own timeline, it would "most likely" create alternate timelines that has nothing to do with the timeline you were coming from in the beginning.
which means your "OWN" timeline would still exist and you would not have change a damn in that timeline nor would you be able to get back to your timeline.
so you would not have saved those lifes but risked to change and create more timelines into possibly something even worse. besides those timelines you would create by jumping back in time wouldnt even be there without you traveling there.
all this is obviously theory, BUT the ancients were not idiots when it comes to time travel and preventing these possible risks.
so nah, I dont agree with you in that point.
brilliant to be able to invent it, but only dumb to NOT destroy the damn machine.
Tobbezeichnet That's because they weren't SG1.
SG1 successfully killed two birds with one stone with their time traveling adventures. Got a ZPM and helped O'Neill into with his "No fish in his pond," problem.
My hot take - The Ancients we see throughout Stargate (Atlantis and SG1) are not the Ancients, but the 2nd evolution of humans that stumbled across their technology like we did.
They evolved side by side with the Asgard and the Nox and were basically just the Tollans with more time to develop and evolve. They peaked as Lantians and Atlantis and goofed themselves to death with the Wraith experimentation (like we almost did with Michael)
The Ancients were far more mysterious and, you know, ancient.
I think this needs a part 3: Why Stargate writers are idiots .
This is mostly a joke.
Well this is gonna be a series
One thing that keeps sticking out for me is why the hell didn’t they stick a zpm into the satellite and equip a shield to it. Or even better, do what the replicators did and attach a gate to a hyperdrive and navigation system, and have it shoot an extremely powerful beam (with a shield) at any wraith that came at Atlantis...
Remember. This is exactly what the replicators did to the expedition team whereby they had to leave the planet to escape the beam using an asteroid to help preserve energy needed to fly
Well Stargate guy I think the real reason why they sent Destiny out into the void was to see what would happen
After all there are more advanced ascended than the Ancients,
@@matthewdavies2057 you can be Advanced ascended and all of that stuff and still be a stupid idiot and the Ancients were stupid idiots as in the words of Thor we're too smart so we need a dumb person that's why I Thor had Samantha Carter helped them build a tactic against the replicators as also with the case of the Tolan the told him we're Advanced and smart and arrogant they never helped anyone except someone who was smart in advance just like themselves they never helped anyone they never did anything for the Galaxy but help themselves anything that help themselves helped the toulmin they never thought that one day somebody who could be more smarter and more sophisticated could conquer them and it happened and the tolling didn't fight they just bent over and did whatever the enemy wanted and make sure that no one knew about it
But they still never found out. They never got data back
@@TheStargateGuy some times you just need to see what happens and forget about it at the same time lol
They never invented Google. The ancient database seems to be non indexed and you have to run into things to find them. In Atlantis they always ask what a room is for. Also notice how the crystals do not have writing on them?
Am pretty sure the Ancients could use their databases just fine, it's the primative humans who have trouble operating ancient technology. Also to be fair, our microprocessors and hard drives don't have writing on them either...
@@RK-252 Maybe, but the Asgard had trouble with the ancient database too since they could not find the data to destroy the replicators and who knows how long they have had the data?
Maybe because I build my own systems the CPUs and drives have info on them. The crystals also seem to function as capacitors, resistors and processors they should have some info.
The Ancients: We screwed up
The Eldar: Welcome to the club
You make good points. They don't sound like very good warriors. Perhaps they had it too easy for too long and certain things got bred out (like a strong survival instinct). Great video.
I never got the impression that they abandoned Destiny, at least not at first. They probably were in regular contact and kept it provisioned and manned for a long time until something prevented them, like the plague and abandoning the Milky Way. In any case, they should have built a hyperdrive version and sent it to catch up with and replace Destiny, or sent parts through the Gate and upgraded or built a new one on the spot.
More reasons
-Replicators were programed not to hurt Ancients. Why not ALL humans?
-No ZPM factory on Atlantis or anywhere.
-No Asgard type transporters despite being millions of years more advanced.
-The fact that they even bothered building Aurora class ships that didn't have a hyperdrive.
-All the tech they left scattered around Pegasis could have majorly upgraded the Wraith, but the Wraith never managed to find any of it until SGA.
-Didn't take Atlantis back to the Milky Way with them when they tucked tail and ran.
plot devices
-No Destiny type probes (malp's) in Atlantis.
OR
-No sensors mounted on all Stargates so you would know what's waiting on the other side.
Your lisp made this 1000 times better for me (not being rude). Its fitting and i love it lol.
The gates weren't laid by the destiny though. They were dropped by seed ships that were sent out long before the destiny was. Also the destiny does travel ftl, much faster than even modern asgard hyperdrive.
Using experimental weapons is bad... bit using experimental TIME TRAVEL is totally fine...
A few ships and a single outpost arnt really going to do much to win a war... when they are a handful of THOUSANDS. In sga they are working against a weakened civil warong wraith... not the full fledge working together wraith race that fought the ancients, so a few sga wins here and there dont mean squat compared to a full scale war.
Everything started with them not taking the Ori seriously and not using the Ark in the first place. Which nearly lead to the Ori conquering the Universe, wiping out all other ascended and forcing all mortals into serving the Ori.
Their mentality seems like the one we are using now "lets experiment,explore, and create new technology and not think of the consequences what ever happens it will work it's self out"
Okay, here's my question, why wasn't there instructions on how to MAKE zpm's?
There could be it's just that the ancient databases are so vast that finding that specific knowledge would be extremely difficult. Even the Asgard said that they were still trying to learn stuff from an old ancient database they found and you know the Asgard are so old that they actually were in an alliance with the ancients at one point 😂
I'm not sure how many SGA teams there were, the max I've heard non cannon is 25. But given that, It means you had 125 people take out the Replicators, forever. And push the Wraith into much less of a threat. And defeat the Ori using essentially 5 people. Using hand me down Ancient and Asgard technology. And a little bit of plot armor :D
Maybe I missed it, but, since Ancient tech is so dependent on ZPM modules, shouldn’t they have built a ZPM factory on Atlantis?
I would have to make the argument that the Ancients' biggest mistake would have to be CREATING THE WRAITH IN THE FIRST PLACE! The SGA book series 'Legacy' states that the Ancients themselves designed the wraith as a possible alternative for ascension. At least a small portion of ancients planned to convert their DNA to resemble something like a wraith. This would be especially true for those who felt that Ascension may be beyond their grasp. In short, the wraith experiment was the Ancients' best try at physical immortality. Ironically, they didn't create a solution for those of the population who could not ascend. Instead they created the one type of being that would eventually destroy the last of their civilization. Remember that by this time, Ancients in the Milky Way (Avalon) was now defunct. The last of their civilization was confined to the Pegasus Galaxy. The Pegasus is a dwarf galaxy, a tiny fraction of the size of the Milky Way. By proxy, the remaining ancients in Pegasus were a tiny fraction of the original population in the Milky Way. The last of their kind. Despite everything, they were still holding on and developing their technology until the Lantian-Wraith War which ended their civilization forever. I would further argue that destroying one's own civilization, in a misguided attempt to save it is the epitome of idiocy!
Well duh. They're so advanced they can't think of ways to win wars, just have minor victories to make themselves feel better.
It's just like.the Asgard. They'll over complicate how to win, rather than just using what they already have to win.
The ancients abandoned their plan to board destiny because of their work into ascension. They are prudent planners. But millions of years ahead???
The ancients failed to completely destroy the replicators for one simple reason. They were on their last legs in their war with the wraith. The resources and time to "make sure" was simply not available. And they didn't wuss out (it does frustrate me that someone like yourself doesn't grasp who the ancients were). The wraith were a species, culing humans for food. They were not an enemy out to eradicate or enslave a galaxy. They were doing what we do to cattle. The ancients understood this, and were very conflicted on how to deal with this. Doesn't sound like stupidity too me, but evolved thinking. They left their own galaxy when they split with the ori.
Project acturis was the ancients way of doing what the forerunners could do in their universe, which was extract vacuum energy from other universes. It failed, they made a mistake. Not stupidity, desperation prehaps. They were not, infinitely wise and were never shown to be.
And the whole time machine thing. Going back and screwing with causality like that? And for what? Did they have info on which exact planet(s) the eraithus bug first evolved into the wraith? Were they going to wipe the eraithus species out? Something against the very core of their beliefs?? That's why the time machine was never to have been made in the first place.
See above for the araithus bug. A species that feeds. The ancients helped seed life and left it to evolve by itself in almost every case. This is also the reason why they never helped lowers ascend.
The ships and tower??
The reason for them not interfering with the ori is also the same reason the never helped lowers ascend. It's really simple. The ori never interfered themselves, they did it in a way that was possible in our plain. Which we could have found a counter for, which we did, we just didn't have the time to make more.
The ancients may seem stupid to us.
they realized that they forgot to put cup holders in the ship , plus no ice cream
So I agree with a few of your points, however 2 I believe you to be wrong. 1 going back in time to change the past is something that has unpredictable outcomes. That could even effect it to where there society doesn't come to the power they have. 2 abandoning resources during war is something that happens regularly in our world today. My grandfather drove a tank during the Korean war conflict and during a vacation several years ago. He returned to Korea and was able to find dozen of tanks of the same model that the US government left behind. Anyway great video I enjoy all the stuff you do man.
Well the time travel thing depends on what perspective you look at it from. A dead non ascended ancient might appreciate it but a new born baby might not. But if you look at it from a numbers perspective it makes sense.
For the second one, yes sometime you have to leave military assets behind but one ship was in a hanger for crying out loud that had the parts and tools to fix it all around them. Sooo yeah kind of dumb
i think i found a solution to the causality problem with time travel... basically, you go back, take three, count them three, copies of your time machine tech with you and prevent or tell them how to prevent a disaster. once done, you leave the copies behind, the new timeline builds the time machine after everting the crysis and travel back in time to replace the originall time traveler with a new warning. the too carry two new copies and a original copy to close the new loop. presto, problem solved, the original time line becomes obsolete and the new one keeps going because it is basically running on a causality loop. the thre copies thing is basically only there to ensure that the tech does not degrade or accumulate erros over an infinite copy cycle.
I'm pretty sure the Ancient's greatest mistake was building their civilisation based on non-rechargable batteries.
Well, they could always make more.
@@TheStargateGuy They obviously had a problem with manufacturing them, the factory that made them wasn't located in Atlantis so when they were cut off they were doomed. If they could so easily make more of them they wouldn't have had to abandon Atlantis. They could have stayed at the bottom of the ocean indefinitely and waited until the Wraith starved to death or destroyed each other, then repopulated the galaxy.
The major reason the ancients are idiots is because the entire reason they lost the war was cause of overwhelming numbers in part of the cloning Machine the wrath had. So the ancients had the bright idea to create and then destroy the replicators witch have the main purpose of increasing numbers and the can build and man an entire fleet of Aurora class battleships in a matter of weeks. Just think of how many ships the replicators could have built in one year if they just would have purpose the replication to almost solely build and man battleships.
Good point.
Oh, on the time machine: we find out that the time machine was built but a “rogue scientist” that did experiments against Ancient Law and time travel was strictly forbidden. Like a prime directive. I cannot recall the exact episode number.
Honestly the Ancients refusing to lift a finger against the Ori was the biggest dick move they ever pulled in the entire series.
RE: Time travel. I will give the Ancients this one. In SG-1, we see that time travel doesn't have to be that bad, but if you can't know the outcome, the idea of tampering with the past means you better have a hopeless situation before risking the reality you know (See Moebius Pt.1 and Continuum). In both cases, time travel produced a reality where Earth was completely vulnerable should the Gou'ald return and SG-1 had to undo the damage to prevent the new reality becoming the permanent one.
I miss SG so much, it's such a shame that they have allowed it to disappear the way it has
Not to mention the Ancients could've fixed the wraith so they never existed, as according to the books the wraith were an experiment by a group of ancients seeking immortality. (And they even had a weapon to kill the experiment too...nevermind that that's a bit of a breach of ethics)
1:41 that 'god' signal was actually set i motion by the alternate version of Rush that was duplicated and sent back in time. It's irony because at his core he put himself up there with 'god', when, he actually was.
Gawd. . . they need to bring that show back. it was just finding it's feet
I know it's a plot device but. Why is there a limited number of ZPMs? The ancients built all there large equipment to use them like batteries. The pegasus replicators clearly had plenty. So why was there not a bunch of extras on Atlantis.?
When the series begins, you are slowly revealing details about this fascinating Ancient civilization.... When it ends, you basically come to the conclusion that those "Ancients" messed up everything they touched. Everywhere they went, they only caused problems. Turns out, building the Stargate network without taking into consideration different ecosystems, races and cultures on the thousands of different planets accross several galaxies might not be the greatest idea? Who would have guessed?
I came to the conclusion that the reluctance of the ascended Ancients to intefere with "lower planes of existence" is merely a result of all those previous screw ups. They basically told themselves: "Do not touch anything anymore!"
The ancients were geniuses with no common sense. I think that sums them up.
Wraistlin82 --Soooo, a bunch of Sheldons, then? Makes sense, best tech in four galaxies with no clue how to optimize its usage.
The Ancients allowed The Wraith to destroy them. The wraith got 3 ZPMs because The Ancients sent their own ships into territory they knew had wraith without any military escorts knowing that the humans were being culled.
The ancients tried to negotiate with the wraith then the obvious happened.
They never finished The Game from the episode called, "The Game" that is also my favorite individual episode.
I think the problem with the ancients is that they suffered from an extreme superiority complex. They thought they were always better than the "lesser" races.
all valid points but I would like to add 1. Why didnt ancients use replicators to bump up friendly numbers ? We clearly see them capable of manufacturing all the tech ancients had.
Don't forget that the Ori (who were also ancients) forgot to populate other galaxies to increase the number of followers for a 100 000 years.
The two biggest problems of the Ancients I see is:
1) Why didn't they build a reactor to power Atlantis?
2) Beam weapons. Why did they rely solely on what amounts to missiles? They could have literally melted Wraith ships using beam weapons.
I don’t know.
Being smart doesn't mean that you're wise
So true.
I’ve got two things about the Ancients, 1. I’m like 95% sure whoever made Reese (the human form replicator who made the bug replicators) did it on orders of the Atlantis council, doing it in the Milky Way so that if they ran into trouble it wouldn’t really affect them, so they could continue the project from a safe distance, when it failed (absolutely miserably) they just decided not to bother with it any more. 2. They didn’t clean up after themselves in the Milky Way, They left so much crap everywhere it’s not really a surprise a race like the Goa’uld found it and used it to take over, and if I understand the timeline correctly they left all that stuff there while they were still living in the Milky Way, long before Pegasus and the excuse of being too preoccupied with the war to clean up. Yes I imagine some of it was put there after they came back but they seriously should’ve been more careful. So yeah, I don’t think they were just idiots, they were arrogant and thought far too high of themselves, i’m far too low of humanity, they may claim not to act as Gods like the Ori, but they sure as hell think themselves that.
I had a theory that touched on that. ua-cam.com/video/E67gHb_Mv-E/v-deo.html
The Ancients weren't idiots. They're the prime example that wisdom is not the same as intelligence. All the wise members of their race end up ascending leaving behind the unwise (but dangerously intelligent) remnants.
They also created the ataro device, the one to destroy wraith ships, but decided not to use it due to stargate exploding as well, but I belive, and I might be wrong, but that while they where still in milkyway galaxy they had also created another device that sets stargates into dormancy until it is turned off again, so the files ahould to my mind still be in there computers, so they should have been able to have found it there, or it should have been possible for them to come up with a new one on there own, if they considered the problem.
about the generator: it's even more stupid than you think cause that thing at best was supposed to generate at best like 50times the energy of a ZPM - by being 200times bigger and having a whole building constructed around it.
They made the exact same error as the empire in star wars. building a superweapon when a couple regular starship would've had the same effect
You missed out the Attero device that disrupted Wraith hyperdrive frequencies, destroying them when they jump to hyperspace. Yes it had a side effect of also blowing up Star Gates, but I'm sure they could have temp disabled the Stargate system. Stargate command wrote a virus to do just that.
With regards to the Ori: the Ancients wouldn't have even needed to wipe out their cult. Just snap their fingers, take away the Prior's powers, make their warships vanish, place their cult soldiers on some random world where they can't hurt anyone, and send the supergates to some random galaxy, cutting off the Ori from the Milky Way.
And while they're at it, reprogram the Milky Way gates so that every time that the Ori try to access them, they get an error message.
It's not like the Atlantis gates don't already have something like this (although it's never explained if it's just for Earth, or every single planet in the Milky Way. Seems likely, otherwise there's not much point).
Same thing goes for any galaxies that the Destiny has visited, or the Destiny itself.
If they try to send their ships into other galaxies, reprogram the navigation computers to send them back to the Ori galaxy, land on the nearest planet with a gate, and then permanently burn out the engines. Or just stick the necessary components in the closest star.
In other words, the Ancients aren't going to stop the Ori from being the subject of their own cult, but they sure as hell can make sure that if they are going to be a cult, they are going to have to keep it in their own damned galaxy.
Now that Stargate is free on Pluto, is there a chance you could start doing a watch along?
I just started watching them for the 5th or 6th time. Every time I start watching it I have questions that would be cool to discuss while watching the show.
Holy crap I found the comic book guy from the Simpsons
You have TOTALY right. This is because the Ancients have not only achieved a higher form of intelligence, but too incredible self-confidence in their own intellect. They had become just too arogant.
Good reasonings from you Taylor aka The Stargate Guy. I like it. its true. It is something else if one can think in other level and is something else if you TOTALY forgot the elementary logic in all like the Ancients.
Sorry but no, time manipulation is too dangerous. Going back in time and stopping the wraith may seem like a good idea, but who knows how the timeline will be affected. Heck look what happened when SG-1 used it to steal a ZPM.
Think about it this way, wraith never happen, then the ancients never leave Atlantis for earth. No ancients on earth mean no cultural changes, whoops there goes humanitys timeline. Also Morgan and Merlin then don't setup the whole Camelot thing and therefore no Sangraal, so even if we do make it to the Ori then POOF, we done. And all that is just a LITTLE bit of what could happen if the ancients time lined the wraith out of existence.
They were in an alliance of 4 advanced races. Never asked one to help with the wreath or the plauge. Like I'm sure the non aggressive ones would help with a illness.
Never tryed to help assgard solve the cloning issue.
Never build defensive systems around their worlds. Just ships or city ships with weapons.
Came back to earth, never seemed to do anything between coming back and the illness that killed them.
Didnt leave databases like the one O'Neall tapped 2 times. But with safety features.
Didn't make their technology 100% human only. that would have stopped issues in the milky-way alone. unos Gould would never spread out. (sorry for spelling)
A dyslexic 7 with a breakdown in a identity crisis = 42.
It’s not the ancients that are stupid but rather the writers, directors and everyone else involved in making them stupid in the show.
Replace your sarcasm with love and belief in yourself and you will understand and ascend ✨🤓👍🏼💕
1 word, Anubis. They have been ascended for how long and they couldn't figure out how to fully descend Anubis, how can descend Daniel twice butt ass naked, the one guy that was in love with Carter who built a mini stargate in her basement, how can he descend to help them out, but won't do jack squat against Anubis? Brings up a contradiction there though, they wouldn't let Anubis use knowledge gained from ascended beings but more than happy to let priors use that same knowledge to inflict plagues upon people, and use higher knowledge to gain more followers.
I don’t think the Ancients were as unified as we might think. The Ori faction of the Ancients known previously as the Altarans prove divisions and splinter groups did various things throughout history. The Ancients known as Atlanteans/Ancestors are another such faction. We see Asgard have factions too like in Pegasus and Loki went off on his own. Though I never bought the idea Loki acted alone or ever without council approval.
in the books it turns out the ancients created the wraith on purpose as an immortality experiment on the world of athos which is why tayla has wraith dna.
They were even dumber with the replicators. The replicators wanted to be less aggressive and the ancients were like this is a failed weapon, time to kill it.
But a less aggressive replicator army could have still been a assist to do things like build defences. They might still have attacked wraith in self defense