IMPORTANT CORRECTIONS: For the GPU bridge, if you have v1.0, you will need to order the updated rear panel which includes shorter motherboard standoffs and cutouts for the GPU bracket fingers. Based on the NCASE website, this should allow enough room for the Corsair GPU bridge without the cover on and using electrical tape over the exposed pins to prevent any hazards. No, I don't like that solution either, I would recommend going for a different layout if you want to run a larger graphics card. You can add the fan brackets to the top in flipped config. Install the front fan brace to the front panel as normal, then for the back panel, you can use the extra standoffs to reach the holes needed to install the back fan brace.
It boggles the mind how there aren't really any big manufacturers making cases like this, it's always limited run boutique stuff that is impossible to buy.
I want to put my computer on the desk so I'm looking for a vertical case. Of course that means I've been eyeing the Meshlicious/Meshroom, but I heard that SSUPD/Lian Li has been pretty bad, so I'm not sure what to make of that. And the FF1 is supposedly coming soon, but there doesn't seem to be any news about that... The 17L is also a little on the big side for me, so I'll have to see. And it's going to be practically half the price of the M1EVO, so I don't really know how that is possible without significant downgrades to the materials, which I'm a bit confused about. Maybe I should just stop waiting and get the Meshroom.
@saulghim2661 Having the Meshlicious, it's easily a recommended case ! Very pleasant experience to build in and great cooling. Maybe not as well machined as Formd T1 but way better than NR200P for having this one too for a while (and smaller of course). The only thing to purchase with vertical case : by a 90° DP/HDMI adapter ;)
Nice build! Tip from my experience with the M1 EVO, you can back the USB-C ports back a notch on the front IO bracket so they’re flush just like the USB-A ones and not sticking out
I would definitely like to see a build and options video for this case. I just got it for a future build (in the 1st Q of 2024). I’d really like to see a better deep dive of this case specifically, because there are so many options available!
Really like your ways of making videos good, serious, short and detailed, don't waste viewers' time, drag out time or make unfounded show or throw with hardware
Genuinely wanting to say that I have been watching quite a few of your builds now, and for me to see now that I have not been subbed was a bit sad haha. Nonethelss, I have subbed. Want to inform you that your quality is amazing.
DC C4 case owner here, I had to get a custom 12v cable from Moddiy to even shut the panel so it's not JUST some of these other amazing cases that struggle with the bad design of the 12v cables on modern gpu's.
This is really nice, though there's quite a lot of nvidia information in comparison with the case , maybe another one in the future will cover and showcase more configurations and cooling comparison between them? thanks for sharing!
I'm glad there are more front panel options for the M1 Evo, because the default while nostalgic for some just makes it look dated to me. The OG M1 is what made me SFF crazy way back when, but I'm happy the C4 & T1 exist(ed) as a result.
Yeah it would be dope to see a config with a vertical gpu and liquid aio at the top. It’s a bit selfish because Im trying to convert an Alienware with an RTX 3090 and a ryzen 9 5950x in to Sff case like this one
It's especially depressing considering the temps it hits. In a decently cooled case, under normal gaming loads (not synthetic) it barely hits 60c, usually partner made cards barely hit 56c. Since it can also use 60% power limit to deliver like 90% of the performance, some of the bigger cards could possibly just not spin it's fans if in a bigger case with enough fans. I honestly hope somebody makes a smaller 4090, dual slot, same size as the 4070 founders edition, let it heat up to 80c or just have fans that actually spin. Because most 4090s are damn near silent in normal atx cases. Acer did make a smaller 4090 for prebuilts, but it was special and used a liquid cooling system with a pump built in even though it looks just like a normal air cooled card. Interesting but it was only slightly smaller and had really bad temps
i heard the 4090 was supposed to be up to a 600w card without any overclocking or crazy power limits but they couldn't guarantee that performance on the chips they had made before the release deadline so they gimped the cards to around 400, after they had already designed the cooler for a card that was running 30% harder. so these huge coolers are just way overpowered for what kind of cards they're on
@@Crunkmaster still, considering the size of the actual PCB, it's a surprise noone made a smaller card with it. Except for aftermarket water cooling solutions Maybe Nvidia just doesn't want it cannibalising workstation GPU sales
Was this the 1.1 revision with the cutouts on the back panel and shorter standoffs? Just wondering, because the site shows it should fit with the Corsair adapter with the 1.1 I thought.
I hate to be THAT guy but as an engineer, "CNC grade aluminum" means nothing lol. An alloy grade is judged by its composition, not how it's manufactured. In other words, you'd want to say "high grade CNC'd/machined aluminum". The aluminum is probably standard run of the mill, but you market it better and you're right, it is CNC'd or machined, which makes it more clean and gives it more value (NOT grade). Thanks and sorry
I'd love to have this or the dancase c4 but they are never in stock or stopped production and seem to be limited drop. I have a T1 v1 and don't feel the need to upgrade from it really yet with my current build with the 7800x3d and 4080 but if these cases were more available, I'd probably get a new case.
I've been waiting for a ITX case that will fit my 4090 Gigabyte OC and this is it, instantly purchased it and am excited but they didn't have the extra fan / aio bracket in stock so I'm hoping I won't need it but a matter of time.
@@SuperYusha have you watched gamers nexus about the powerspike? I mean thats what Im worried about. Please give me enough reasons to opt for 750w thanks!
@@beershifter Not all 750W PSUs are created equally, But the SF750 has been proven time & again to handle transients incredibly well. Unless you're pairing a overclocked 4090 with an overclocked 13900k/14900k, you should be just fine. 4090(FE)/7800x3d is
Your 3090 should pull 450w in very extreme scenarios, a good cpu ~70w, storage, ram, mobo, fans, RGB ~120w, so in only the most extreme scenarios would you be pushed, if you bought a 4090 that sucks more power because of an oc, or an inefficient cpu or a crap ton of RGB, so 750 should be good but I would recommend locking power for 90% performance and like 100w less, which would help in this form factor
4090 is way too big and heavy to be horizontally mounted. There are already a lot of report about PCIE mount cracking on FE and AIB card. Vertical mount for ITX is the way to go.
I built up this case with Asus TUF 4070ti in vertical, with Asus Strix AIO 360 (initially tried AF2 360, but couldn't make it fit). I initially tried glass side panel, but was running near 80c when Sim Racing, mesh side panel dropped Temps over 10c into the mid 60s. Case is great, but would not recommend glass panel with large vertical GPU.
I'm kind of confused. Every ITX Build Video that i've seen, they all use the RTX FE. But do these cases also take a hold of, let's say, Zotac RTX 4090?
Oh & finally, you talked about how efficient the 7800X3D is...but you want to water cool it? Already being in the mid 60s on air? With no undervolt to make that even cooler? Juice doesn't seem worth the squeeze man...
It's simple math. 4090 at full tilt can pull up to 450w, with any cpu pulling under 100w that leaves 200 watts left for the rest of the system, so there's easily 100w left in the tank - and not to mention it's a Platinum rated unit. I dont understand where people get this idea that you need a 1000 watt unit to power these cards...
Please don't remove the cover of the Corsair 180-degree adapter. Those solder points on the back are live and you risk shorting them by bumping them against the metal side panel.
Do you have a source on it being "live" and shortening? Ncase themselves notates taking off the cover on their website. ncased.com/collections/m1/products/m1evo-rear-panel
@@devyn.johnston That is just by how it's constructed. The solder points on the back connect directly to the pins in the connector. That's why they are labeled 12V, GND, etc. With the rear panel you linked the risk is lower as I assume the side panel won't be in contact with the adapter. But if the user doesn't use that rear panel (like what you showed in the video) it can be shorted (you can't rely on the paint on the side panel to insulate).
The rear panels not going to make the top and bottom wider, its the shorter standoffs that are supposed to make room for the gpu bridge and all of that is already included in v1.1 kits... either way, the ncased website is the one that suggested taking off the cover. If you pay attention to the video, I don't take the cover off throughout the whole thing, because I don't like the idea of having the cover removed either. And I further explain that I think the case should have been made wider to resolve this. The whole point of that section of video where I was visually showing it removed (based on ncase's recommendation) was to show that it still hits, even with the cover off. I was not personally endorsing it - mainly just explaining that I didn't like it.
@@devyn.johnston I know what the v1.1 kit does. But there are people who run v1.0 which would have the issue. I just don’t want them to see this video and run the adapter without the cover and have it bump against the side panel, and short their 4090.
I do not see a big advantage of using a compact case for such level of hardware. Certainly, it may be challenging to build such PC, but not much benefits for ordinary user as I.
They ship later batches with both 5mm and 7mm motherboard standoffs. Using the 5mm ones should help with the buldge ua-cam.com/video/jm1JVTF4fHY/v-deo.html
Really. Who pays that much money for a GPU? I make 17k a month. I absolutely refuse to pay that much money for shit like this. I just cannot understand it.
So tired to all these "Mini ITX" builds using Founders Edition 4090's nobody outside of mostly influencers/reviewers have that fit in cases that all the rest of the partner cards don't. If you want to surprise us go ahead and try doing a build with a partner 4090.......we'll wait.
You won't have to wait long. did you get to the part in the video where I talk about GPU support? It fits 4 slot GPUs up to 359mm in length. Most partner cards fit here...
IMPORTANT CORRECTIONS: For the GPU bridge, if you have v1.0, you will need to order the updated rear panel which includes shorter motherboard standoffs and cutouts for the GPU bracket fingers. Based on the NCASE website, this should allow enough room for the Corsair GPU bridge without the cover on and using electrical tape over the exposed pins to prevent any hazards. No, I don't like that solution either, I would recommend going for a different layout if you want to run a larger graphics card.
You can add the fan brackets to the top in flipped config. Install the front fan brace to the front panel as normal, then for the back panel, you can use the extra standoffs to reach the holes needed to install the back fan brace.
Can a 160mm air cooler fit with this case?
So I guess the GPU bridge issue has been fixed in the v1.1 that they have listed on their website now?
@devyn ua-cam.com/video/DMUA6AHNtYk/v-deo.html
sir make a vidoe about Jonsbo C6 case with matx motherboard please it's a humble request.
Will you be doing an update review of the m2?
Woah sponsored by Nvidia, well you know you made it now
That’s because the boycott is hitting them hard
@@jagz3826navidad is not struggling at all, they don’t care about gamer’s whatsoever. they’re making bank in the AI market. look at their stock.
@@jagz3826 what boycott?
@@jagz3826 What they did wrong?
@@jagz3826 no boycott has ever hit nvidia hard their stocks have been up and up for the last twenty years bro
7800x3d and 4090 in such a small build is so satisfying
It boggles the mind how there aren't really any big manufacturers making cases like this, it's always limited run boutique stuff that is impossible to buy.
Lian Li has the A4 H20 and Fractal Terra that has decent quality. Both fit a 4090 FE.
Cooler Master also has NR200/P, Phanteks has the Evolv Shift XT, they both fit FE cards.
@@crimsonleg4237 For a less than 15 liter case, not really ideal if you’re looking for a 4090 build. But those are good case too for water cooling.
I want to put my computer on the desk so I'm looking for a vertical case. Of course that means I've been eyeing the Meshlicious/Meshroom, but I heard that SSUPD/Lian Li has been pretty bad, so I'm not sure what to make of that. And the FF1 is supposedly coming soon, but there doesn't seem to be any news about that... The 17L is also a little on the big side for me, so I'll have to see. And it's going to be practically half the price of the M1EVO, so I don't really know how that is possible without significant downgrades to the materials, which I'm a bit confused about.
Maybe I should just stop waiting and get the Meshroom.
@saulghim2661 Having the Meshlicious, it's easily a recommended case ! Very pleasant experience to build in and great cooling. Maybe not as well machined as Formd T1 but way better than NR200P for having this one too for a while (and smaller of course). The only thing to purchase with vertical case : by a 90° DP/HDMI adapter ;)
Oh my it's happening, M1EVO build video just dropped! Please make build video guide, would be awesome.
Nice build! Tip from my experience with the M1 EVO, you can back the USB-C ports back a notch on the front IO bracket so they’re flush just like the USB-A ones and not sticking out
What a coincidence - I received my M1EVO just yesterday. Build guide video definitiltly will be greatly apreciated!
Yes dev , please make a complete build guide on how to build in this case, especially with matx board and 240 aio , thanks
Is this even possible in the Evo?
I would definitely like to see a build and options video for this case. I just got it for a future build (in the 1st Q of 2024). I’d really like to see a better deep dive of this case specifically, because there are so many options available!
Really like your ways of making videos good, serious, short and detailed, don't waste viewers' time, drag out time or make unfounded show or throw with hardware
You should do a video guide for the case build process
Its incredible that you can get *the best* components for gaming, since games don't support dual gpus anymore in a 10l case. It's incredible
Would like to see another build with this case with a radiator
Genuinely wanting to say that I have been watching quite a few of your builds now, and for me to see now that I have not been subbed was a bit sad haha. Nonethelss, I have subbed. Want to inform you that your quality is amazing.
DC C4 case owner here, I had to get a custom 12v cable from Moddiy to even shut the panel so it's not JUST some of these other amazing cases that struggle with the bad design of the 12v cables on modern gpu's.
Been enjoying these small form factor builds
This is really nice, though there's quite a lot of nvidia information in comparison with the case , maybe another one in the future will cover and showcase more configurations and cooling comparison between them? thanks for sharing!
I'm glad there are more front panel options for the M1 Evo, because the default while nostalgic for some just makes it look dated to me. The OG M1 is what made me SFF crazy way back when, but I'm happy the C4 & T1 exist(ed) as a result.
Would love to see a water cool build using the Iceman pump/res combo!
Yeah it would be dope to see a config with a vertical gpu and liquid aio at the top. It’s a bit selfish because Im trying to convert an Alienware with an RTX 3090 and a ryzen 9 5950x in to Sff case like this one
Anyway you dealing with gpu sag with the reverse config?
nicely done devyn i just ordered this case
looking to build in this case with a 4090 (356mm) , what radiator would you recommend to really dial this in?
Can you test that same layout, but with a 240mm AIO?
After one year, I'm still surprised by the size of 4090
It's especially depressing considering the temps it hits.
In a decently cooled case, under normal gaming loads (not synthetic) it barely hits 60c, usually partner made cards barely hit 56c.
Since it can also use 60% power limit to deliver like 90% of the performance, some of the bigger cards could possibly just not spin it's fans if in a bigger case with enough fans.
I honestly hope somebody makes a smaller 4090, dual slot, same size as the 4070 founders edition, let it heat up to 80c or just have fans that actually spin. Because most 4090s are damn near silent in normal atx cases.
Acer did make a smaller 4090 for prebuilts, but it was special and used a liquid cooling system with a pump built in even though it looks just like a normal air cooled card.
Interesting but it was only slightly smaller and had really bad temps
i heard the 4090 was supposed to be up to a 600w card without any overclocking or crazy power limits but they couldn't guarantee that performance on the chips they had made before the release deadline so they gimped the cards to around 400, after they had already designed the cooler for a card that was running 30% harder. so these huge coolers are just way overpowered for what kind of cards they're on
@@Crunkmaster still, considering the size of the actual PCB, it's a surprise noone made a smaller card with it.
Except for aftermarket water cooling solutions
Maybe Nvidia just doesn't want it cannibalising workstation GPU sales
Your builds are masterpieces
I would love to see how this handle 2 rads custom water loop, it was possible for ncase m1 was hoping it would be possible here also
build guide please!!, also how much does this weight total ?
Congratulations on your sponsorship with Nvidia, well deserved! 🎉
Great job! I wish this could be my job, I look up and aspire to do exactly what you do, pc’s are my passion especially ITX pc’s
Was this the 1.1 revision with the cutouts on the back panel and shorter standoffs? Just wondering, because the site shows it should fit with the Corsair adapter with the 1.1 I thought.
I hate to be THAT guy but as an engineer, "CNC grade aluminum" means nothing lol. An alloy grade is judged by its composition, not how it's manufactured. In other words, you'd want to say "high grade CNC'd/machined aluminum". The aluminum is probably standard run of the mill, but you market it better and you're right, it is CNC'd or machined, which makes it more clean and gives it more value (NOT grade). Thanks and sorry
okay thanks
The main selling point of m1evo is mATX support. Could you please try and build flipped config with it?
I'd be interested to see how well this accommodates an matx mb.
looks cool but I think I prefer the T1 instead of this.
Is thisthe best mini itx case that can fit any gpu?
What monitor are you showing in this vid? Love the vids!
Does it fit a 240mm aio?????
I'd love to have this or the dancase c4 but they are never in stock or stopped production and seem to be limited drop. I have a T1 v1 and don't feel the need to upgrade from it really yet with my current build with the 7800x3d and 4080 but if these cases were more available, I'd probably get a new case.
This is pretty impressive! Do you have any idea how to make 2x4090 build with a such small form factor?
How did you manage to get that pc to work with a 750 Watt psu?
At least you can get this case.. unlike the Dan c4
I've been waiting for a ITX case that will fit my 4090 Gigabyte OC and this is it, instantly purchased it and am excited but they didn't have the extra fan / aio bracket in stock so I'm hoping I won't need it but a matter of time.
Sick build! I have a follow up question though, would that be okay even if you put 750w psu in a 4090? No issues at all? Thanks!
SF750 is good for this build, there won’t be any issues at all.
@@SuperYusha have you watched gamers nexus about the powerspike? I mean thats what Im worried about. Please give me enough reasons to opt for 750w thanks!
@@beershifter Not all 750W PSUs are created equally, But the SF750 has been proven time & again to handle transients incredibly well. Unless you're pairing a overclocked 4090 with an overclocked 13900k/14900k, you should be just fine. 4090(FE)/7800x3d is
Your 3090 should pull 450w in very extreme scenarios, a good cpu ~70w, storage, ram, mobo, fans, RGB ~120w, so in only the most extreme scenarios would you be pushed, if you bought a 4090 that sucks more power because of an oc, or an inefficient cpu or a crap ton of RGB, so 750 should be good but I would recommend locking power for 90% performance and like 100w less, which would help in this form factor
What about gpu support to prevent broken cards?
is it fit 4090 aorus master and 280 aio ?
Awesome vid. How's the noise with this build?
Would love a build guide !!
Is a 750w psu enough for that gpu?
tbh im glad you got sponsored as I appreciate your high quality content but this whole "nvidia ai bla bla" runined the whole video for me
Also The Finals, a competitive FPS does offer frame generation. I wish BattleNonsense would come back out of retirement to test the latency in it.
What game is that at 6:10?
Rachet and Clank
do you sell these builds you do or do you just make them to showcase hardware then deconstruct them?
Great review of the case, very nice. Enjoy your Xmas everyone..🎁🎄
Is it good for develop gaming and 3d work ? Or should I go with big motherboards?
Can I get a parts list, please?
4090 is way too big and heavy to be horizontally mounted. There are already a lot of report about PCIE mount cracking on FE and AIB card. Vertical mount for ITX is the way to go.
Awesome case
I LOVE THIS CASEEEEEEEEEEE !!!! JUST WOW!
So its a Dan Case CX4 that is in stock.
It would be nice to see some more budget friendly micro builds. The current market isn't as friendly to us normal folk.
I'd love to see in the future a build with STREACOM FF1 and my ASUS TUF RX7900XTX OC. One of the biggest card in a small case.
Is 750w enough for 4090?
I built up this case with Asus TUF 4070ti in vertical, with Asus Strix AIO 360 (initially tried AF2 360, but couldn't make it fit). I initially tried glass side panel, but was running near 80c when Sim Racing, mesh side panel dropped Temps over 10c into the mid 60s. Case is great, but would not recommend glass panel with large vertical GPU.
I love the look of this case
I'm kind of confused. Every ITX Build Video that i've seen, they all use the RTX FE. But do these cases also take a hold of, let's say, Zotac RTX 4090?
Cost?
Yes please, need a guide videoo on this case 🙏
where was this couple months ago ????? Im lowkey mad at myself for not waiting.
i think this is as small of a case as I would like to go.
those winter 1 people robbed my 500 dollars
I left when he said i needed to use an adaptor 💀
Liked the video but feels like 4 min about the case and the rest about NVIDIA features...
At least you were honest about the partnership!
Oh & finally, you talked about how efficient the 7800X3D is...but you want to water cool it? Already being in the mid 60s on air? With no undervolt to make that even cooler? Juice doesn't seem worth the squeeze man...
BUILDING GUIDE!!!!
Sounds like Nvidia marketing video
Very nice👍👍
Good job
Is this build still valid? Looking to make this build, but see some issues in comments.
But can it fit an Asus ROG Strix GeForce RTX 4090 OC White Edition? Nvm you answered my question. Thank you Dev.
750w with 4090 seems like it's not enough honestly. it may down clock the GPU if power supply can't feed enough of power into it.
It's simple math. 4090 at full tilt can pull up to 450w, with any cpu pulling under 100w that leaves 200 watts left for the rest of the system, so there's easily 100w left in the tank - and not to mention it's a Platinum rated unit. I dont understand where people get this idea that you need a 1000 watt unit to power these cards...
Please don't remove the cover of the Corsair 180-degree adapter. Those solder points on the back are live and you risk shorting them by bumping them against the metal side panel.
Do you have a source on it being "live" and shortening? Ncase themselves notates taking off the cover on their website. ncased.com/collections/m1/products/m1evo-rear-panel
@@devyn.johnston That is just by how it's constructed. The solder points on the back connect directly to the pins in the connector. That's why they are labeled 12V, GND, etc. With the rear panel you linked the risk is lower as I assume the side panel won't be in contact with the adapter. But if the user doesn't use that rear panel (like what you showed in the video) it can be shorted (you can't rely on the paint on the side panel to insulate).
The rear panels not going to make the top and bottom wider, its the shorter standoffs that are supposed to make room for the gpu bridge and all of that is already included in v1.1 kits... either way, the ncased website is the one that suggested taking off the cover. If you pay attention to the video, I don't take the cover off throughout the whole thing, because I don't like the idea of having the cover removed either. And I further explain that I think the case should have been made wider to resolve this.
The whole point of that section of video where I was visually showing it removed (based on ncase's recommendation) was to show that it still hits, even with the cover off. I was not personally endorsing it - mainly just explaining that I didn't like it.
@@devyn.johnston I know what the v1.1 kit does. But there are people who run v1.0 which would have the issue. I just don’t want them to see this video and run the adapter without the cover and have it bump against the side panel, and short their 4090.
I do not see a big advantage of using a compact case for such level of hardware. Certainly, it may be challenging to build such PC, but not much benefits for ordinary user as I.
Hey, brother. What do you recommend for a workstation for engineering tasks (aersopace) and light gaming but I would also like power efficiency?
Sir please make a cheap gaming pc. Rtx 3050,intel core i5 12gen 😢 mini case
Is this a 13 Minuten NVIDIA Comercial ? feels so
how can you use a 750 watts psu on a 4090 , wtf...
Nice video
nice set up but that card is goind to reach his end of life soon, it looks already bend probably gonna crack a lot of pcb layers in no time.
That 4090 sagging hurts. Install a stand or something please.
you need to let us know your ambient temps, without that, temps figures are meaningless
I Liked the review, sadly Ncase does not take Amex or Pay Pal oddly enough.... so yeah will not purchase just due to that.
So the whole video is a commercial
They ship later batches with both 5mm and 7mm motherboard standoffs. Using the 5mm ones should help with the buldge ua-cam.com/video/jm1JVTF4fHY/v-deo.html
The power not enough!!! 750w for 4090 why ????
Really. Who pays that much money for a GPU? I make 17k a month. I absolutely refuse to pay that much money for shit like this. I just cannot understand it.
Well I think a person using such a powerful card, should be producing a product and making money off of the card, not just gaming.
Not buying based on this review.
Why?
Hes not gonna awnser @@stevenswall
So tired to all these "Mini ITX" builds using Founders Edition 4090's nobody outside of mostly influencers/reviewers have that fit in cases that all the rest of the partner cards don't. If you want to surprise us go ahead and try doing a build with a partner 4090.......we'll wait.
You won't have to wait long. did you get to the part in the video where I talk about GPU support? It fits 4 slot GPUs up to 359mm in length. Most partner cards fit here...
Skipped majority of it since hes yapping aboit his sponsor 2/3 of the video
Powered by AI technology.......................... not a good start to the video