The New Testament's Zombie Horde (Spooky Bible Halloween Special - Part 3)
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- Опубліковано 9 лют 2025
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Part 3 of a Special Edition of the Deconverters Bible Study where we will look at some of the more Spooky, Horrifying, and/or Macabre stories of Scripture to celebrate Halloween. This part looks at the New Testament's Zombie Horde as found in Matthew 27:52-53
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I can imagine Chauncey and Edgar from Rocky & Bullwinkle watching the zombies.
"That's something you don't see every day, Chauncey."
"What's that, Edgar?"
"Zombie saints marching down the street."
"Oh I don't know, you get all sorts of odd visitors on holiday weekends."
LOL
I'm a recent apostate. I left missionary work as a hardcore evangelical of 28 years.
Finally became an atheist 4 years ago now.
Thank you for this content! I like that you're not aggressive in your approach, but still stating what you believe or don't believe with commitment. I like your style.
In relation to this hord of zombies...
I used to love that passage so much. I use to love it cause it truly felt miraculous. The fulfillment of all the prophecies satisfied, the triumph of light over darkness. The curtain tearing was one of my favorite parts, but the darkened sky, the earth splitting open and the dead rising from the dead.
It was magical, in a world that felt dull, hopeless and pointless.
Now, I can hardly believe I genuinely believed this stuff. It's so ridiculous, but I bought into it hook line and sinker.
Now, I struggle to understand how I bought it, and how so many people still do buy it. It's incredible... Incredible about how easily and wanton we are to self delusion for comfort and peace.
Thanks for your kind words.
I used to accept the zombie horde as well. On top of that, I believed in the golden plates. Looking back now, I am just stunned by how ridiculous that is.
This is why these storiez ate so UNbelievable.
Matthew: "Yeah, and then all the dead came to life, thats it, thats the ticket"
The dead (earth in winter) come alive at the pass over from winter to spring.
@ The Easter Bunny poops out an egg (spring), Woodsie the Owl hatches from the egg ( Summer) Woodsie poops an apple in a tree ( Autumn) Eve eats the apple and goes shopping ( Black Friday)
"get your slightly-used Jesus-zombie here!" ;-)
I never really cared about that stuff when I was a theist, but now it is "indeed if we add rising from the dead here the story'll be soooo much better! I'll add that now then!"-ish.. But let's let the theists try to defend it! I have my popcorn!
This is my FAVOURITE episode of The Walking Dead! Basically when I'm asked by a Christian what might convince me of the existence of the existence of their "God", this at the top of my list. Time to go flip the script on death as we know it and violate what has been considered constant outside of a few wild claims. From there we move on to getting regular parting of seas, oceans, etc. Oh ... and this is in full-view of EVERYONE because we'd need confirmation from outside sources, and not just 1 or 2. OH... also the weekly mass-raisings and water partings will be VOTED on by a new tribunal to see that it seems to follow our choice and thus hint as some agent knowing our decided location for verification. Can't say "God can't do it" ... because it's IN THE BOOK. So come on, time for John Romero to find new inspiration!
Growing up Catholic I never heard about this. I wonder what believers think happened to the risen dead people. Did they die again, ascend to heaven, or are they still alive?
i LOVE bringing up the Zombie Horde because you almost never hear it brought up in church, but it's there, so when you show it to people they don't usually have a preconceived notion about it one way or another. The Zombie Horde hardly ever plays into popular apologetics and I wouldn't be surprised if the more "high caliber" ones just avoid it altogether as much as possible.
Point being, wouldn't it be a Holy Shit! moment in that time, and throughout history, if there was multiple documents from disinterested sources saying there was a ZOMBIE HORDE IN JERUSALEM? Wouldn't that be worth writing about? How come NOBODY has written about it? :)
Then there is Jesus. The most famous demigod Jewish zombie in mythology.
This is what Christians are missing out on. Because their mythology is just as cool and entertaining as the ancient Greeks or Egyptians, or the Norse myths. Insisting it's real ruins the fun.
Always great to get the notification an hour after the video posted, especially since having requested said notification since yesterday. 😒
Sorry, about that. YT does that to me too on some of the people I follow as well.
@@therabydatheist no need to apologize; I know you’re not to blame. Happens so frequently, not upset about it, simply commenting for records sake. Who knows, maybe the algo-god will learn from its mistakes.
So the zombies hung out at their graves for a couple days, undoubtedly rocking to The Monster Mash. Then on Sunday they danced to Jerusalem while doing the claw dance from Thriller, complete with Vincent Price cackling in the voice over.
But what’s truly amazing isn’t that people noticed Jesus’ tomb was empty, but that they didn’t notice that many (most? All?) tombs were open
This is one of the funniest stories in the bible. Jesus dies, followed by the comic relief Zombies. This could have been written by Monty Python.
Nice topic, juicy!
I look forward!
It amazes me how I overlooked those passages. The bible says it, cool. But when I think about from a skeptic's point of view, it sounds completely off.
Whatta ya reckon the zombies did after that day? Did they die again, or were the just alive? Did they just go home and get back to work? Seems like somebody would've inquired...
Workmen after the zombie resurrection:
"Hey Gary, wasn't Jimmy dead last week?"
I never had a logical reason to accept unsubstantiated biblical claims. There was no total eclipse in that area, at that particular period in time. Computers can perform retro-calculations, and I remember reading about the chronology of a biblical eclipse report that was proven to be factual. They ran it through a computer, but found that this particular eclipse had occurred centuries out of sync with the characters who had allegedly witnessed it. It was a cut and paste job.
It’s impossible for an eclipse to have occurred, because the crucifixion happened near Passover which is defined as occurring at the full moon. Eclipses only happen at the new moon, 14 days opposite the full moon.
3 gospels say Passover was the Thursday before the crucifixion, and John says Passover was the Saturday after the crucifixion. Either way an eclipse would only be possible 13 days away from Good Friday.
Also, Passover happens on different days of the week in different years because it’s based on the moon. So when the gospels say that Passover was on different days, that necessarily means the gospels disagree on what year it was.
@@soyevquirsefron990 Absolutely correct. An eclipse is only possible at the time of a New Moon. This eclipse claim was just another example of the absurd supernatural claims made in the bible, as with making the sun and moon stand still. The ridiculous miracle of Fatima is a more recent example of this supernatural nonsense.
@@clemstevensonsince you Atheists claim there is No God , explain how other Atheists find God like anyone else?
I notice that Paul’s letters don’t mention the zombie horde.
There is a great TV show that you should check out. Its free if you have comcast. The Death Files. Its not the idiot show that people go into haunted places and try to hear ghosts thru their radio its people with psychic medium ability that can see and hear the spirits in the haunted places. Great to watch at Halloween time. The most interesting one was about a place down south where the entire town experienced violent unexplainable occurrences. The area was the most deadly American Indian war. 3000 Indians and 2000 white people were killed in a battle there and the Indians CURSED the land. The thing they conjured goes thru the town causing terrible things to happen to people. The psychic told the family that called them to leave the town. There is no way to remove the Thing and it would continue to do dangerous things to them
The early christians had a problem. This was one author's attempt to fix it.
Under Judaism, there was no concept of heaven or hell. There was a common but not universal concept of Sheol, a place where the dead wait for the final judgement, resurrection, or whatever else their sect of Judaism taught. Sheol was ambiguously portrayed as either a real place or just a metaphor for the grave in the Tanukh, and sects that believed it was literal often did not believe in resurrection at the end times, though there was some crossover.
Early christians seemed to be one of those groups who had crossover between literal Sheol and literal resurrection, But they also were introducing an "eternal paradise" / "eternal damnation" model to go with it. There is a lot of disagreement even in the early writers over what these entailed, but they were not the same system as Sheol. But it wasn't "instead of" Sheol; it was a _successor_ to Sheol. At the death and/or resurrection of Jesus, the system itself switched.
But how to handle the people who had already died by then? Here's where we see vastly different treatments by different authors.
1. 1 Peter 3:18--20 has Jesus at his death going to make "a proclamation to the spirits in prison." In this model, already-dead people had to be converted post-death to move on to their final resting place.
2. The Gospel of Luke references a "good" part of Sheol (Sheol was translated as "Hades" in the Septuagint) in the parable of Lazarus and the rich man in Luke 16:19 to 31. He refers to this area as "Abraham's bosom." I don't know if this term is from the apocrypha, but the term "paradise" is, that the author uses when Jesus tells the thief on the other cross "today you will be with me in paradise" in Luke 23:39 to 43. (EDIT: UA-cam turned my endashes into strikethroughs, very annoying; I replaced them with the word "to.") "Paradeisō" is a term that is used in both canonical and apocryphal works, with both Revelation and 2 Esdras referring to it as the location of the Tree of Life, as well as Paul mentioning it as the place where a "person he knew" was taken in 2 Corinthians 12. It's unclear if Luke considers paradise and Abraham's bosom to be the same place, but the transition is definitely immediate --- Jesus and the thief were to be in paradise "today." (Catholic fan-fiction even gave this thief a name and backstory. It's downright adorable when they fabricate nonsense out of thin air and then insist that it's true.)
3. John of Patmos had a very different idea, in Revelation 20. He has the 1,000 years in which Satan is imprisoned, and only after that are the dead removed from Hades/Sheol, Death, and the Sea. Presumably, the dead would have continued to go to Hades/Sheol even after Jesus's crucifixion / resurrection, and only move on to paradise or Gehenna (the Lake of Fire) WAY off in the future. This absolutely contradicts Luke, and is at best redundant with 1 Peter.
Finally, we get to Matthew. I view the "zombie horde" as his transition from Sheol to paradise. His happens immediately at the death of Jesus. Most readers and even scholars interpret the "holy city" as Jerusalem, but it doesn't say that. The author of Matthew expects his readers to recognize the "holy city," which was presumably whatever version of "paradise" was used within his sect. The event gets conflated into other things happening in Jerusalem, but the dead would have come from graves around Jerusalem, and not going into Jerusalem. It's a very popular place for Jews all over the world to be buried, especially if they believe in physical resurrection.
Matthew says a lot of very strange things, but they are not random. This isn't just a random display of raw power. For him, the death of Jesus changed the very nature of life and death, and the dead rising was simply moving day.
Isn't that story a mistranslation from the kjv and more accurate Bibles put it as bodies were heaved up from graves, passersby saw the corpses and went into the city to report it?
NASB (Considered one of the better ones which is more modern. ) 52 Also the tombs were opened, and many bodies of the [a]saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection, they entered the holy city and appeared to many.
I think verse 53 would be the most problematic to the idea you present as it speaks of going into the city and appearing to people. It would be that way regardless of translation.
Even if so yiu still have the problem that it went undocumented, surely the mass tampering of graves would have been a big deal.
What did i miss
All of it. But it is still viewable.
Mention THIS to every believer who claims the buybull is historic evidence blah blah.
IF it was ... why is neither any of the other gospels mentioning this NOR their favorite guys like Jospehus and Tacitus?
Christ, the summer sun, is crucified in Egypt = Sun's apparent fall below the autumn equinox into the southern hemisphere (darkness greater than light),
Since when is raising SOME of the dead in ONE city at ONE point in time one of the Messianic expectations of... like... anyone, ever? It's not even the expectation of Christians -- just look at Paul saying Jesus is the "firstfruits" of the full and general resurrection, which has yet to occur. It's a ridiculous and obvious lie that is not necessary to anyone's theology, which is why Christians ignore it and the other Gospel writers didn't mention it.
Jesus was redemption and over threw the power of death. They rose to fulfill the prophesy of ' I shall deliver them from the power of Sheol'. It was to let people see His power over death and that He conquered it for everyone. This is not more startling than the other miracles that Jesus performed. He rose many people from death and cured many in His three year ministry. It doesn't get more publicity than all of the other miracles that Jesus performed. It is recorded in scripture just like the others. How are the saints who rose at the moment of Jesus death any more starling than the raising of the little girl? It is recorded for us but you won't see it on the front page of the 'Roman Times' or the 'Jerusalem News'....
Or in thre of the four gospels.
Imagine one gospel was false. How would you know?
@@juanausensi499 The bible as we know it was assembled over many years under the watchful eye of the Holy Spirit. The bishops of the church went over the entire world where Christian teaching was thought to be known. They made copies of any documents they found that referred to Jesus and assembled them into a book. Some writing were clearly inauthentic and you can read them online if you wish. All the writings authentic or inauthentic can be studied yourself.
The temp[le priests would not admit the veil being torn in association with Jesus death. They were not going to advertise any proof they killed the Son of God. Its not difficult to understand they did nothing about it. All of the stuff you mentioned does make sense with regard to Jesus death
Find me a single non-christian who thinks the story makes sense
@@juanausensi499 The way i figure it is like this. If I am wrong nothing lost. If you are wrong you burn in fires hotter than the sun for an eternity of regret, pain, torment, being beaten by the ugliest demons no horror movie can project, and in darkness.
@@christiandpaul2022 Those aren't the only options. Maybe if you are wrong, instead of not losing anything, you would be tortured for all eternity, because the real god didn't like that. Pascal Wager's only works when there only two options are no God or the Christian God, but they are not the only ones. All possible Gods, with their own motivations, should be taken into consideration.
@@juanausensi499 As a Christian there are no other gods
@@christiandpaul2022 Then your wager is irrelevant, because that's not the reason of your belief.