Here's to you, Fanatic of Mogg, Rest forever, here in our hearts! The last and final pinging is yours, The sac of thee is your triumph! Here's to you, Fanatic of Mogg, Rest forever, here in our hearts! The last and final pinging is yours, The sac of thee is your triumph! Here's to you, Fanatic of Mogg, Rest forever, here in our hearts! The last and final pinging is yours, The sac of thee is your triumph!
Diabolic Edict's usage in Legacy/Vintage was already over when they printed Sudden Edict and even more after the printing of Sheoldred's Edict, so unless a specific meta appears in Pauper where an instant speed edict is better than a repeatable sorcery speed one (Chainer's) I think Diabolic's progression is dead at this point.
Seconded. Even while I LOVE these vids for nostalgic reasons, the validity of their statements are quite bland after hearing several glaring errors like this one.
@@belhaddim5116It did gain points and is on topic for being a Tempest Card. What were the errors? They printed strictly better versions of this yes, but this isn’t a video of edict effects.
@@MrJ6H It's the part of the video where he says "Diabolic Edict is going to keep gaining points in Legacy" -- how will it keep gaining points if it will no longer be featured in Legacy decks due to strictly better alternatives?
When I was a kid, and Tempest was Type II legal, I collected Lotus Petal, because it was a common. I had a ton of them (150 IIRC) but that binder got stolen…. Sadly! I still love Lotus Petal to this day!
I hope a teacher or something confiscated the binder and gave the cards to an underprivledged kid who got into the hobby and started giving other poor kids free decks to pay it forward.@@sidneypowelstock6812
In the context of its time, Tempest is a blaze and one of the strongest sets up to that point. Sure, Legends had some game-ruining broken cards but 300 of the 310 in that set was straight up trash. Ice Age is glacially slow; Alliances was pretty great. Mirage block was an improvement but still just kinda whatever. But still, the best creatures in the game before Tempest were all from Arabian Nights and a few from ABU. Tempest really pushed forward in a way no set had before it and really set the stage for a lot of modern design. It would take a few years before we saw it all realized (Urza block set it all back 2 years since Masques block was so underpowered to compensate), but Tempest really feels like the true first modern design, between the story and the way cards were made. It really took the ideas of Mirage and fully realized the ambitions of that set/block and put the game a few steps forward.
2:47 Mogg Fanatic was wrecked by Tenth Edition IIRC. I loved Mogg Fanatic, back in the day. A part of me wants to go back to “Damage on the Stack,” just to get Mogg Fanatic back.
It's funny, Lotus Petal (#3) is a common, but Ancient Tomb (#2) & Wasteland (#1) are only uncommons! 😅 Crazy how powerful those cards were and not even rares.
Ahhh Tempest, I still don't know too much about this set. But all I know is that it seems to have some really good cards in it, perhaps even ones good enough to make it onto "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)"!
When I was a kid, I collected Lotus Petals. I had a binder full of them (they were commons, I pulled some out of draft garbage), but that binder got stolen.
Tempest was the new block when I first started playing Type II Tournaments. I have very fond memories of my Sligh deck from back then. I recently got to play with it again in a MTGO standard flashback week a couple of years ago. MTGO should do that event again. It was amazing!
Tempest was the newest block when I started playing (though some of my friends started with either Ice Age or Mirage). I still remember how cool the Slivers are!
@@shuboy05 technically Ice Age was the newest set (and 4th had just come out) when I started playing when I was a kid in the Summer of 1995. I lived across the street from a game store growing up. There was a second game warehouse within walking distance too. I just missed all of the early sets (legends antiquities revised) by a few months….
@@jenniferwilliams9612 All of those sets had small print runs. I don't believe I ever saw any stores with those boosters. I think my first booster was Fourth Edition.
Yes. Tempest. I remember my Elf deck with Eladamri, Lord of Leaves. I was expecting a legendary lord that pumps his army but hey, a lord is a lord so I kept him.
This list takes me back! I remember going up against a deck that was based on the creature Shocker that was brought by one of the coolest home-brewers from that time! Included the Grindstone, Cursed Scroll, and of course Mogg Fanatic! Super mean deck that won that day. Wish I would have asked for that decklist….
Would love to see top 10s for each format. I dunno how you'd accurately represent standard, but seeing the best legacy, pauper, and modern cards would be neat.
Hi Nizza, just wondering, you changed the template for the lists and it was really good. Was I the only one with that opinion that you changed it back?
I feel somewhat fortunate to already own 1 Lotus Petal that I acquired back then. And, I hope to pick up the promo Lotus Petal by participating in a store event later this month.
It's kind of crazy looking back at Lotus Petal and how powerful it was, because now we have Treasure Tokens and ways to generate them at an insane rate. It's interesting that Lotus Petal still sees significant play when we have cards that make a ton of "Lotus Petals" at once.
Don't underestimate the value of a zero mana spell. It enables some crazy turn 1 plays, like Oops All Spells wins, Reanimator getting out a second threat after Griselbrand or getting Initiative long before an opponent can challenge it. It is also very important when you can tear through your deck like with Ad Naus or Mystic Forge
Maybe it's because lotus petal costs 0 and cards that make treasures do not cost 0 People really oversell how easy it is to make treasures, must be commander players with their dockside extortionists and smothering tithes
What's sad is if you ever go away, there's no one else doing this kind of content with the repertoire of different views on how to look at the game. Thank you sir
This was my first set ever as a kid! Then Stronghold released, introducing Slivers, and I fell in love with the game. Unfortunately, I fell out of it after Exodus, all the way until Scars block got me back in. Still, Tempest & this block will always be my favorite. Nostalgia is strong! 😁
Early in the modern format i was running mono red burn. I blocked a wurmcoil engine with a mog fanatic and sacced it so they didnt gain life. Won that game. Ill always remember the star of that tournament. A measily little one drop gobbo!
Ah, that makes sense. Thank you, I misread the comment and thought they also beat the wurmcoil with that move, not that they won the game.@@NizzahonMagic
Its also important to note that reanimate got a lot better with the printing of grief and troll of khazad dun, creatures that can be cheated into the gy fairly easily. This makes it a fairly strong card in more generic black decks while also being a good tech against reanimation decks as a side bonus
One day maybe we'll finally see a meaningful Lotus Petal reprint. Lack of inclusion among Brothers War retro artifacts seemed like a huge miss to me...but WotC is likely holding it up for a future Secret Lair.
Mystery Booster ws sort of meaningful. It did actually lower it's price. If they had printed it in retro-frame, it probably would have been mythic and not impacted the price at all.
I love the update, but I think your analysis of Diabolic Edict was a bit overly bullish. With the recent printing of better edict effects, such as Sheoldred's Edict, I wouldn't expect the OG edict to gain very many points.
i would like to see u mention cards from those sets that are permanently banned, like hermit druid from stronghold, or other cards with top 10 potential that unfortunately cant see any play
I had so many of these, and multiple copies of Intuition and Cursed Scroll and others. Not saying that my collection could have retired ALL college debt in US but might have made a noticeable dent. Until someone gave the cards away without asking.
My answer isn't incorrect either. Because multiple people at my lgs/highschool growing up would try to play foreign cards with different rules.@@cornball7883
Heh. Don't forget we live in a world where 'Cleanse' is racist but 'Perish' which is the same card just color shifted, isn't. Gotta love virtue signaling.
Well, there aren't any actual green human beings walking around, that I know of. If any Mirialans or Twi'leks start playing Magic, Perish could be problematic.
Good question. Seems like an all around better card in every scenario I can think of. Edit: Except for when you need to sacrifice a creature, which is incredibly niche.
Ah yes, Tempest. The expansion that made me quit MtG, because the shadow mechanic annoyed me so much. Good times. (For all y'all young ones: shadow was a primarily-black evasive mechanic. I don't recall if creatures with shadow could block creatures without shadow, but they certainly couldn't be blocked by them. Combined with Dark Ritual still being a thing, there was a lot of "turn one, swamp, ritual, here's the 2/1 unblockable clock on the game". As if Hippy Spectres weren't enough.)
I think your assessment of ancient tomb is a little outdated. These days its more of a midrange or aggro card that facilitates efficient creatures early game and/or prison pieces to act as a speed bump. Look at initiative or 8 cast. Long gone are the days of a turn 2 show and tell.
Explain to me like to an idiot - why is strip mine better than wasteland? Looks like pretty much the same card to me so I must be missing something about it?
RIP Mogg Fanatic, forever in our hearts
Wotc did him so dirty.
I miss damage on the stack specifically for Mogg Fanatic! I loved Mogg Fanatic! His nickname was Mogg Fantastic.
Here's to you, Fanatic of Mogg,
Rest forever, here in our hearts!
The last and final pinging is yours,
The sac of thee is your triumph!
Here's to you, Fanatic of Mogg,
Rest forever, here in our hearts!
The last and final pinging is yours,
The sac of thee is your triumph!
Here's to you, Fanatic of Mogg,
Rest forever, here in our hearts!
The last and final pinging is yours,
The sac of thee is your triumph!
They should make a new card called mog Martyr that essentially works like pre rule change mog fanatic
RIP DotS rule... Good times.
Diabolic Edict's usage in Legacy/Vintage was already over when they printed Sudden Edict and even more after the printing of Sheoldred's Edict, so unless a specific meta appears in Pauper where an instant speed edict is better than a repeatable sorcery speed one (Chainer's) I think Diabolic's progression is dead at this point.
I was wondering why it would see play with better alternatives around
Seconded. Even while I LOVE these vids for nostalgic reasons, the validity of their statements are quite bland after hearing several glaring errors like this one.
@@belhaddim5116It did gain points and is on topic for being a Tempest Card. What were the errors?
They printed strictly better versions of this yes, but this isn’t a video of edict effects.
@@MrJ6H It's the part of the video where he says "Diabolic Edict is going to keep gaining points in Legacy" -- how will it keep gaining points if it will no longer be featured in Legacy decks due to strictly better alternatives?
When I was a kid, and Tempest was Type II legal, I collected Lotus Petal, because it was a common. I had a ton of them (150 IIRC) but that binder got stolen…. Sadly! I still love Lotus Petal to this day!
It really is unfortunate that your binder got stolen. I hope that that thief sold the lotus petals before they became valuable
I hope a teacher or something confiscated the binder and gave the cards to an underprivledged kid who got into the hobby and started giving other poor kids free decks to pay it forward.@@sidneypowelstock6812
It's kind of insane that it was printed at common lol.
@@666Metalbassist"It's only one third of a card, how good could it possibly be?"
@@genzo454I mean, they attach them on as freebies to other cards now in the form of Treasure tokens. It can't be that good?
In the context of its time, Tempest is a blaze and one of the strongest sets up to that point. Sure, Legends had some game-ruining broken cards but 300 of the 310 in that set was straight up trash. Ice Age is glacially slow; Alliances was pretty great. Mirage block was an improvement but still just kinda whatever. But still, the best creatures in the game before Tempest were all from Arabian Nights and a few from ABU. Tempest really pushed forward in a way no set had before it and really set the stage for a lot of modern design. It would take a few years before we saw it all realized (Urza block set it all back 2 years since Masques block was so underpowered to compensate), but Tempest really feels like the true first modern design, between the story and the way cards were made. It really took the ideas of Mirage and fully realized the ambitions of that set/block and put the game a few steps forward.
> Ice Age is glacially slow
get out
2:47 Mogg Fanatic was wrecked by Tenth Edition IIRC. I loved Mogg Fanatic, back in the day. A part of me wants to go back to “Damage on the Stack,” just to get Mogg Fanatic back.
Mogg Fanatic wasn't even a thing until 6th Edition, when the Stack was created. That he stopped being a thing later is normal.
It's funny, Lotus Petal (#3) is a common, but Ancient Tomb (#2) & Wasteland (#1) are only uncommons! 😅
Crazy how powerful those cards were and not even rares.
Ahhh Tempest, I still don't know too much about this set. But all I know is that it seems to have some really good cards in it, perhaps even ones good enough to make it onto "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)"!
I remember buying 4 lotus petals back in the day for .75 each. Wow that price went up.
When I was a kid, I collected Lotus Petals. I had a binder full of them (they were commons, I pulled some out of draft garbage), but that binder got stolen.
Oh, Nizzahon, I just ❤ Tempest and Tempest block. It has a special place in my heart. Just, *THANK YOU* for this video.
Tempest was the new block when I first started playing Type II Tournaments. I have very fond memories of my Sligh deck from back then. I recently got to play with it again in a MTGO standard flashback week a couple of years ago. MTGO should do that event again. It was amazing!
Tempest was the newest block when I started playing (though some of my friends started with either Ice Age or Mirage). I still remember how cool the Slivers are!
@@shuboy05 technically Ice Age was the newest set (and 4th had just come out) when I started playing when I was a kid in the Summer of 1995. I lived across the street from a game store growing up. There was a second game warehouse within walking distance too. I just missed all of the early sets (legends antiquities revised) by a few months….
@@jenniferwilliams9612 All of those sets had small print runs. I don't believe I ever saw any stores with those boosters. I think my first booster was Fourth Edition.
Yes. Tempest. I remember my Elf deck with Eladamri, Lord of Leaves. I was expecting a legendary lord that pumps his army but hey, a lord is a lord so I kept him.
legacy players dont play diabolic edict they are plaiyng sheoldreds edict
its just better!
Yea but Sheoldreds Edict is a recent card
While it is strictly better in multiple ways, Diabolic Edict had been kicking around for 25 years prior proving why "Edicts" are good.
This list takes me back!
I remember going up against a deck that was based on the creature Shocker that was brought by one of the coolest home-brewers from that time! Included the Grindstone, Cursed Scroll, and of course Mogg Fanatic! Super mean deck that won that day. Wish I would have asked for that decklist….
Would love to see top 10s for each format. I dunno how you'd accurately represent standard, but seeing the best legacy, pauper, and modern cards would be neat.
Hi Nizza, just wondering, you changed the template for the lists and it was really good. Was I the only one with that opinion that you changed it back?
This was my introduction to magic. Forever my favorite.
Tempest was the set that I first heard about bc of the Rath & Storm novel
Wow did not realize how stacked this set was
I feel somewhat fortunate to already own 1 Lotus Petal that I acquired back then. And, I hope to pick up the promo Lotus Petal by participating in a store event later this month.
It's extremely worthwhile to buy the original as a single again every now and again. It holds money better than Lightning Bolt.
It's kind of crazy looking back at Lotus Petal and how powerful it was, because now we have Treasure Tokens and ways to generate them at an insane rate. It's interesting that Lotus Petal still sees significant play when we have cards that make a ton of "Lotus Petals" at once.
Don't underestimate the value of a zero mana spell. It enables some crazy turn 1 plays, like Oops All Spells wins, Reanimator getting out a second threat after Griselbrand or getting Initiative long before an opponent can challenge it. It is also very important when you can tear through your deck like with Ad Naus or Mystic Forge
Treasures typically aren't around for an early turn play and don't directly add to a storm count...that's probably why
Maybe it's because lotus petal costs 0 and cards that make treasures do not cost 0
People really oversell how easy it is to make treasures, must be commander players with their dockside extortionists and smothering tithes
Lol you sweet sweet Summer child. Learn your cheerios
Lotus Petal is a zillion times stronger than a treasure token.
What's sad is if you ever go away, there's no one else doing this kind of content with the repertoire of different views on how to look at the game.
Thank you sir
A truly deserved comment with truth
This was my first set ever as a kid!
Then Stronghold released, introducing Slivers, and I fell in love with the game. Unfortunately, I fell out of it after Exodus, all the way until Scars block got me back in.
Still, Tempest & this block will always be my favorite. Nostalgia is strong! 😁
Early in the modern format i was running mono red burn. I blocked a wurmcoil engine with a mog fanatic and sacced it so they didnt gain life. Won that game. Ill always remember the star of that tournament. A measily little one drop gobbo!
Wurmcoil engine from Scars? When the rule change happened several sets before that? The rule change was like 2 years before Scars of Mirrodin.
You could still sac it so your opponent can't gain life. The damage didn't go on the stack though.
Ah, that makes sense. Thank you, I misread the comment and thought they also beat the wurmcoil with that move, not that they won the game.@@NizzahonMagic
Intuition in Yarok and Muldrotha decks more or less just says "okay you're dying now".
Its also important to note that reanimate got a lot better with the printing of grief and troll of khazad dun, creatures that can be cheated into the gy fairly easily. This makes it a fairly strong card in more generic black decks while also being a good tech against reanimation decks as a side bonus
Yay! My favourite series you make🥳
i started playing when Tempest was released
This was the first set that I bought when i was introduced to magic, i remember pulling out a lotus petal it was popular back then
I use to cut them up to glue the 0 casting cost to the diamonds (from Mirage, Sky, Fire, Jet, Moss, and Marble) to proxy moxen
@@aarondunn6759
One day maybe we'll finally see a meaningful Lotus Petal reprint. Lack of inclusion among Brothers War retro artifacts seemed like a huge miss to me...but WotC is likely holding it up for a future Secret Lair.
Mystery Booster ws sort of meaningful. It did actually lower it's price. If they had printed it in retro-frame, it probably would have been mythic and not impacted the price at all.
My favorite card when Tempest got out was Living Death
I love the update, but I think your analysis of Diabolic Edict was a bit overly bullish. With the recent printing of better edict effects, such as Sheoldred's Edict, I wouldn't expect the OG edict to gain very many points.
Every year end you should do a Top 10 of number 1 cards.
Looking forward to other Set Top 10 Revisits! 😅
i would like to see u mention cards from those sets that are permanently banned, like hermit druid from stronghold, or other cards with top 10 potential that unfortunately cant see any play
The thing is, they don't have potential. This isn't a subjective list, this is based on cards actual performances, and not theoretical performance.
Ancient Tomb = the granddaddy of shocklands.
I had so many of these, and multiple copies of Intuition and Cursed Scroll and others. Not saying that my collection could have retired ALL college debt in US but might have made a noticeable dent. Until someone gave the cards away without asking.
Hows Diabolic Edict better than say Liliana's Triumph that it keeps getting points?
Good set. Homelands is still #1
The only question about what the number one card is by HOW MANY POINTS is Wasteland number one?
I used to have a play set of signed Japanese Cursed Scrolls. Wish I still had them 😢 anyone know what was so special about the Japanese versions? 😉
You could tell your friends the card did anything?
@@kyleellis1825 no, it had a misprint
My answer isn't incorrect either. Because multiple people at my lgs/highschool growing up would try to play foreign cards with different rules.@@cornball7883
Why not inlcude Pre-modern placement" These cards are still played in event, sizable ones, and they are still placing
I'd like a top 10 top 10 please.
i thought we would glo but im not in the mention
My favorite set
Love this set
I find it unlikely Diabolic Edict will gain more points as Sheoldred's edict is strictly better
Cursed Scroll was awful to deal with back in the day.
best reserve list cards not from abu?
Heh. Don't forget we live in a world where 'Cleanse' is racist but 'Perish' which is the same card just color shifted, isn't. Gotta love virtue signaling.
Well, there aren't any actual green human beings walking around, that I know of. If any Mirialans or Twi'leks start playing Magic, Perish could be problematic.
why do those decks that play the edict not play
Sheoldred's Edict instead
Good question. Seems like an all around better card in every scenario I can think of.
Edit: Except for when you need to sacrifice a creature, which is incredibly niche.
They do
Ah yes, Tempest. The expansion that made me quit MtG, because the shadow mechanic annoyed me so much. Good times. (For all y'all young ones: shadow was a primarily-black evasive mechanic. I don't recall if creatures with shadow could block creatures without shadow, but they certainly couldn't be blocked by them. Combined with Dark Ritual still being a thing, there was a lot of "turn one, swamp, ritual, here's the 2/1 unblockable clock on the game". As if Hippy Spectres weren't enough.)
Perish is honestly such a messed up card, please never reprint this card in the modern, historic, pioneer etc.
I think your assessment of ancient tomb is a little outdated. These days its more of a midrange or aggro card that facilitates efficient creatures early game and/or prison pieces to act as a speed bump. Look at initiative or 8 cast. Long gone are the days of a turn 2 show and tell.
Explain to me like to an idiot - why is strip mine better than wasteland? Looks like pretty much the same card to me so I must be missing something about it?
Strip Mine can hit any land, not just nonbasics.
@@NizzahonMagicYeah, that would be what I missed. And that one word does make a hell of a difference