I started playing MTG with Fallen Empires and as a kid I really enjoyed that set, especially with the flavor text stories and the different art pieces for the same card and so on.
I really do love the art of older sets. Goblin Grenade really shows off just how (self)destructive Goblins were, instead of simply painting them off as mindless goofs.
I mean, there's no other color version of Hymn. There is a colorshifted version of High Tide. So in terms of being just another magic card there is that.
@@hermodnitter3902 as a professionally trained artist, I've just got to say your comment is ridiculously unfounded. Glad you like the older art but in terms of ability, skill and professionalism modern MTG artwork is untouched in the fantasy realm. Ron Spencer is a good and prolific artist but he has his misses as well. Miracle Worker and Paralyze come to mind. Outside of Spencer if you think art like Orgg, Heroism, Ebon Praetor, or any version of FE Blassclaw Orcs is better than anything released today you seriously need to have your eyes checked.
@@FATmonkeyCHRIS well, you got me on Ebon Praetor. One of the coolest MTG artworks. That being said, there is lots of great artwork today also, and I actually feel there has been a clear improvement the last year, take for example the artworks for Strixhaven Mystical Archive.
I love the story of the Thrull Uprising. Sure would be cool to see what happened to Sarapadia at some point. The Thrulls apparently kicked Phyrexian ass at some point and Gix called them dangerous if left alone (if the wiki is to be believed) so I can see them reappearing at some point.
Aeolipile if I'm not mistaken was essentially the first basic engine. It was a sphere filled with water and put over a fire to boil said water and then tubes led out of the sphere to direct the steam produced and spin the sphere Made in ancient Greece
Fallen Empires was a terrible set for competitive players, but I had many many fun games when we played FE and Revised only cards. Was before draft formats were about. We each got a Revised starter and six FE packs for the nights gaming. Didn't hurt that I recall FE packs at .50 cents at Babbages.
If I remember right, there was an early Pro Tour that required every deck to include cards from every expansion printed up to that point. I think it happened after Alliances, but before Mirage. This would explain why so many FE and Homelands cards appeared in the pro tour.
I think you’re thinking of how there once was a rule in competitive standard that at least 5 cards of your deck had to be from each legal set. Though, knowing older Wizards, they probably did both lol.
Although Fallen Empires wasn't NEARLY as bad a set as Homelands. It provided quite a few cards that were staples then and aren't all that bad today. FE's real problem is the power was almost entirely at the common level and the rares were almost all meh, and it was so overprinted everyone had everything they could possibly want from it in short order.
Fallen Empires isn't a bad set. I think the biggest problem is that most of the good cards were common. Almost every card on this list was common, even Hymn to Tourach. The only rare cards here are Orgg and Aeolipile (which should have been common or uncommon). The Orders, Golblin Grenade, and Hymn to Tourach were later reprinted as uncommon. Most of the rares in the set were terrible or underwhelming for rares. So there was no reason to buy a lot of the set and chase the best cards because you only needed to open a few packs to get the best cards. Fallen Empires has a bad rap because the set was overprinted due to the previous expansions being severely underprinted. I remember how hard it was to even find Legends and The Dark. However it's far from Magic's worst set. Homelands is the worst set, IMO, as far as good playable cards go, although the lore is fantastic. If only only they had put as much effort into card design for that set as they did the lore. I'm happy to see Baron Sengir making a return in Commander Legends because he's one of my favorite characters from Magic's pre-planeswalker lore. Oh wait, you did do a video on the best cards in Homelands (the worst set). Heading there now!
Even better, Hymn can make your opponent discard lards. I don't know of any targeted discard that lets you choose land. Back in the day I ran a black/green Necropotence/Hymn/Hypnotic Specter/Sinkhole deck. It was so mean.
random is so much worse. watching my opponent unknowingly destroy my entire game plan while leaving me nothing was/is so so .... don't even know the right word. My absolute favorite discard as well .... as long as it's in my hand
I hope we see more good cards from bad sets videoes in the future. It's interesting to see which cards saw play and which cards were considered impressive at the time
The first pack of cards I ever bought was Fallen Empires, and Orgg was in one of the first decks I ever put together. It's still one of my favourite cards of all time.
They definitely follow in the archetype of early spells, stupid powerful (or really weird Word of Command) when compared to creatures of their time but 'balanced' by the fact that they only happened once but, they also printed Jump so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Goblins weren't numerous enough (or good enough) to take advantage of the Grenade when it was in the equivalent of Standard of the day, and in Modern it's just never been quite good enough to compete with the utter nonsense that happen there. It's a solid card, just not solid enough.
It could even be more wffective i goblin aggro, when opponent has established board control to for example block the goblin effectively, but only with a few life remaining. I used it together with cards like Fireblast and Fork, to end the game.
I mean you can play Old School MTG which basically lets you play in Standard format based on the earliest sets like 93-94 and 94-95 those formats are the only reason I still play this game and I wasn't even born when those sets came out.
They really were fun. Ice Age is still one of my favorite sets ever. FE Homelands were bad from the start but they were still a blast to try and build anyway. lots of great memories from that time
I love how you call it "one of Magic's WORST Sets," knowing that you've already done Homelands. I don't have as much of an attachment to Fallen Empires as I do Homelands, but I do love playing shitty cards in EDH. Although I actually thought Homelands might have had more points total than this set, if only because of Merchant Scroll. Although Hymn to Tourach has a crap load of points itself, it (and no other cards in this set) have any points in Vintage, so this set is dead to me. Speaking of, do "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)!" Or "Top 10 Portal Three Kingdoms" works given the crappy set theme.
Lol you realize that the dual lands, dark ritual, counterspell, and lighting bolt are in the original set even if you drop the power 9 you'll get a lot of cards with a lot of points. I would like to see a portal 3 kingdoms top 10. Imperial seal and Xiahou Dun the One eyed are my top two.
It's funny to see how the language of the game has changed over the years. For example, "deal X damage to any target" became "de X damage to target creature or player" so as to be more specific. But then it changed back to "any target" because "target creature or player or planswalker" would be too verbose to put on a card.
This is my favorite set in the game due to the lore, multiple arts, and the tools it gives aggro decks in Old School and casual decks. It's got very little going for it but was made in reaction to the stupefying power of spells like Balance and the Power Nine so it has few strong spells and the creatures are still very Early Magic. Their inefficiencies made up for by the fact that the stick around and have more uses to them. Honestly I kinda wish more sets had the sensibilities of FE; turning down the power, with more of a focus on the world and flavorful set interactions over powerful ones but that doesn't make money nor is it fun for most people.
Let’s remember that Hynm to Tourach was considered the most efficient discard spell only because Mind Twist was either restricted in Type I or Banned in Type II. HtT is not even close in power to the MT.
@@franzise3605 Twist uses colorless mana. with Mana Vault, Sol ring, Dark Ritual, you can get very aggressive on discard, very quickly. Often making the opponent drop his entire hand by turn 2. Now add the lotus, moxes and you can paralyze the opponent on turn 1.
Nothing quite like the feeling of hitting 2 lands with Hymn to Tourach, and then watching people squirm with no or few lands. Bonus points for cheating it out early in some way! Can still win a legacy game sometimes.
Who can say Fallen empires is the worst? There are interesting cards there, maybe not powerful, but interesting, and I really like the alternate art that was done for the set. I wish that was still a thing.
I remember a really fun deck with 4x White Knight/4x Black Knight 4x Order of Leitbur/4x Order of the Ebon Hand There was another pair of 2/1 first strike protection cards that I forget the name of. It was just a wall of first strike, it was fantastic
Even back then Fallen Empires was crap. I do remember seeing the Ebon Hand (love the buzz saw shield artwork), Gob Grenade (spiked grenade on a leash is the best), Order of Leitbur (love the art you showed on at one too) and of course Hymn was pretty huge and in most black decks. But I think a lot of us were sleepin on High Tide (I like the coral reef art the best) as I dont remember seeing it that often. Fallen Empires was the first set to really go for the alternate arts which is a pretty huge contribution to MTG but Wizards/Mattel seems to be squeezing it for all its worth. That being said, I do like a like of the alternate arts, just Wizards needs to take it easy. I cant get over on how Throne of Eldraine is rotated out already. It seems just like a couple weeks ago we went and bought a box at our local game store.
@@sallomon2357It looks like its next to go, so maybe I misheard it and they said it was getting pushed out soon. I think it was on Rudy's channel (Alpha Investments) during a box opening.
@@zackschilling4376 In one of the recent videos Nizza also said mistakenly that ToE rotated while talking about Glass Casket. And then the comment section was filled with comments proving him wrong. I don't know why is it, maybe cause it was so obnoxious cause of Oko and other crap that Nizza and Rudy made a quicker rotation of it in their heads
A point you made cause my brain to stutter a moment. In old school magic, green and black opposed each other, blue and red opposed each other, and white kind of dipped around in the middle. So the fact that the "2 drop opposite" cards were black/white is kind of odd. You would think they would be blue/red and black/green in the old sets.
I’m confused. The points from the formats of the last two add up to less than the total points. #2 should be 16 based on the bracketed numbers, and #1 should be 79. Am I missing something?
You mentioned that, based on your criteria, Fallen Empires is better than Homelands (given points gained by cards in the set). It would probably be a lot of work, but have you considered doing a "Top 10 Worst Sets (according to the math)" video? See how many points the top 10 cards of each set represent, then count down the bottom 10 sets (maybe do the inverse for the best sets as well).
Lol I loved this set . I was poor as a kid and boxes of this was so cheep back then I bought 3 of them. It had some ok thalls and Thaliads . saporlings lol
Personal opinion: prophesy is the worst set. No solid reasons, but I played cards out of homelands and fallen empires regularly, don’t remember using cards from prophesy at all.
Rhystic Study is probably the best card to come out of Prophecy. Now Homelands and Fallen Empires have great stories but I always found Prophecy's storyline to be very meh (the novel is also very weak). Since the expansion didn't feature the Weatherlight crew, the story was just a series of side events that had no real impact on the upcoming Phyrexian invasion (except for one major death).
@@shuboy05 Both the set and the novel were horrible. The idea was the all the sets of The Masques Block take place concurrently, on different planes (Mercadia, Rath, and Dominaria), directly after the end of Tempest Block (Urza Block was a flashback). Except nothing is really happening on Dominaria that pertained to overall story.
@@terryprentice9657 Yep, about the only major story event in Prophecy is an important character death. Which I felt also came out of nowhere like the character got "stuffed in the fridge."
Idk what Hymn is worth today, but i got an old MTG collection in 2016 from a friends dad and it literally had like 30 of these in it XD It wasnt worth much at that time, though. The whole collection was nice, but just funny that this card is so good(i knew it was at the time too) yet it wasnt worth anything. I ended up with 7 FoW's which is still one of the best blue cards ever!
@@gantzisballs Wizards has actually never reprinted Hymn or High Tide except in special limited releases (High Tide came with the Theros comic and Hymn was reprinted for a From the Vault set) because those two cards are too powerful. But because FE was overprinted, we seriously don't have to worry about not finding a cheap copy....
Fallen Empires actually only has 102 unique cards. Scryfall gives an incorrect number because it lists the different art for the same card as different cards. No one claims kamigawa neon dynasty has 553 which is the total number if you count all variant arts. Given that the set has only 2 cards more than antiquities and a handful more than Arabian Nights I think fallen empires is fine. If you base things on the ratio of cards in the set that are good and consider that the set was a heavily creature focused tribal themed set, I don’t think WoTC did much better a decade later when they did Onslaught block.
Homelands and Fallen Empires are both bad. I would have to say Homelands would be worse as Fallen Empires had some nice artwork and the ones he listed. Homelands had pretty much nothing.
Having Hymn to Tourach in Fallen Empires is like watching a B-movie and seeing an A-list actor giving a performance like an Oscar is on the line.
Raul Julia in Street Fighter (RIP)
Anything Nicholas Cage has ever been in
Tom Hanks in Mazes and Monsters.
Looking at Orgg makes me realized how pushed Doom Whisperer was and how shocking it is that it saw basically no play.
We've come so far.
I still freak out over a 4 cmc 5/5 with no negative effects.
@@zackschilling4376 Now we have a 4 mana 6/6 that draws a card, gains life, puts a land into play, and comes back from your graveyard
@@SmugLookingBarrel And no one really even noticed.
I would sell my testicles to play pre 2000s magic instead of this... thing we have now...
@@Igor369 It was much more fun, believe me.
I really enjoy these types of a little more quirky top 10s.
I started playing MTG with Fallen Empires and as a kid I really enjoyed that set, especially with the flavor text stories and the different art pieces for the same card and so on.
I really do love the art of older sets. Goblin Grenade really shows off just how (self)destructive Goblins were, instead of simply painting them off as mindless goofs.
Alternate title: Hymn to Tourach... and nine other magic cards.
High tide is not just 'another card'
@@yamael14
Fair enough.
I mean, there's no other color version of Hymn. There is a colorshifted version of High Tide. So in terms of being just another magic card there is that.
goblin grenade is also a boss. but this could definitely be a top 3.
goblin grenade, hymn to tourach, high tide. there it is. that one card that summoned a thrall every turn was interesting also.
The Ron Spencer's illustrations were ahead of their time.
Well, ironically that would actually be an insult to Ron Spencer, as the artwork in general was much better back then than now...
I agree with you. I preferred the old illustrations before their standardization.
@@hermodnitter3902 How would that be an insult to Ron Spears? Maybe I'm just not understanding. BTW: Ron Spencer rules!
@@hermodnitter3902 as a professionally trained artist, I've just got to say your comment is ridiculously unfounded. Glad you like the older art but in terms of ability, skill and professionalism modern MTG artwork is untouched in the fantasy realm. Ron Spencer is a good and prolific artist but he has his misses as well. Miracle Worker and Paralyze come to mind. Outside of Spencer if you think art like Orgg, Heroism, Ebon Praetor, or any version of FE Blassclaw Orcs is better than anything released today you seriously need to have your eyes checked.
@@FATmonkeyCHRIS well, you got me on Ebon Praetor. One of the coolest MTG artworks. That being said, there is lots of great artwork today also, and I actually feel there has been a clear improvement the last year, take for example the artworks for Strixhaven Mystical Archive.
Javeliners wasn't overlooked, White Weenie seems to never made the top 8 back then. It was in all the WW decks back then.
I love the story of the Thrull Uprising. Sure would be cool to see what happened to Sarapadia at some point. The Thrulls apparently kicked Phyrexian ass at some point and Gix called them dangerous if left alone (if the wiki is to be believed) so I can see them reappearing at some point.
While we did get one Phyrexian fungus, THIS is the story I have been waiting to see play out since I first started playing.
Aeolipile if I'm not mistaken was essentially the first basic engine. It was a sphere filled with water and put over a fire to boil said water and then tubes led out of the sphere to direct the steam produced and spin the sphere
Made in ancient Greece
Ron Spencer is without a doubt my favorite MtG artist, and he did a number of amazing works in Fallen Empires.
Fallen empires is one of my favorite sets for flavor and art. And I think the set is better than people give it credit for.
Fallen Empires was a terrible set for competitive players, but I had many many fun games when we played FE and Revised only cards. Was before draft formats were about. We each got a Revised starter and six FE packs for the nights gaming. Didn't hurt that I recall FE packs at .50 cents at Babbages.
If I remember right, there was an early Pro Tour that required every deck to include cards from every expansion printed up to that point. I think it happened after Alliances, but before Mirage. This would explain why so many FE and Homelands cards appeared in the pro tour.
I think you’re thinking of how there once was a rule in competitive standard that at least 5 cards of your deck had to be from each legal set. Though, knowing older Wizards, they probably did both lol.
Although Fallen Empires wasn't NEARLY as bad a set as Homelands. It provided quite a few cards that were staples then and aren't all that bad today. FE's real problem is the power was almost entirely at the common level and the rares were almost all meh, and it was so overprinted everyone had everything they could possibly want from it in short order.
That's why every world champ deck ran Serrated Arrows, it was pretty much the only competitive card from Homelands.
Merchant Scroll is a nice little gem for commander
Fallen Empires isn't a bad set. I think the biggest problem is that most of the good cards were common. Almost every card on this list was common, even Hymn to Tourach. The only rare cards here are Orgg and Aeolipile (which should have been common or uncommon). The Orders, Golblin Grenade, and Hymn to Tourach were later reprinted as uncommon. Most of the rares in the set were terrible or underwhelming for rares. So there was no reason to buy a lot of the set and chase the best cards because you only needed to open a few packs to get the best cards. Fallen Empires has a bad rap because the set was overprinted due to the previous expansions being severely underprinted. I remember how hard it was to even find Legends and The Dark. However it's far from Magic's worst set. Homelands is the worst set, IMO, as far as good playable cards go, although the lore is fantastic. If only only they had put as much effort into card design for that set as they did the lore. I'm happy to see Baron Sengir making a return in Commander Legends because he's one of my favorite characters from Magic's pre-planeswalker lore. Oh wait, you did do a video on the best cards in Homelands (the worst set). Heading there now!
*first turn*
Me: forest, llanowar elf, go
Opponent: swamp, ritual, duress, hymm
Me: *%#@
😂
Or....swamp, ritual, ritual, Mind Twist for 4. Those were good times.
second ritual, hypy
I felt this, i was that evil
Hypy spook in there somewhere
Hymn is still one of my absolute favorite discard spells, such great value, and honestly 2 at random is often better than a single targeted discard.
Even better, Hymn can make your opponent discard lards. I don't know of any targeted discard that lets you choose land. Back in the day I ran a black/green Necropotence/Hymn/Hypnotic Specter/Sinkhole deck. It was so mean.
@@TheMajesticYak0 Sounds like my kind of deck 🤣
random is so much worse. watching my opponent unknowingly destroy my entire game plan while leaving me nothing was/is so so .... don't even know the right word. My absolute favorite discard as well .... as long as it's in my hand
@@FATmonkeyCHRIS Yea man, I totally agree that playing with it is fun but having it cast against you feels terrible. 🤣
I hope we see more good cards from bad sets videoes in the future. It's interesting to see which cards saw play and which cards were considered impressive at the time
orgg is dope. i love big ugly bad creatures from more obscure times. he will make an excellent addition to my crappy goblin deck.
Fun fact: Every death metal band member has a tattoo of the art from Order of the Ebon Hand somewhere on their body. It's a requirement.
The first pack of cards I ever bought was Fallen Empires, and Orgg was in one of the first decks I ever put together. It's still one of my favourite cards of all time.
6:00 Order of LiteBeer!
Miss these cards still get to play goblin grenade at least in my krenko deck
Hymn to Tourach and Goblin Grenade and High Tide are some of the most OP cards ever printed in the game.
They definitely follow in the archetype of early spells, stupid powerful (or really weird Word of Command) when compared to creatures of their time but 'balanced' by the fact that they only happened once but, they also printed Jump so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Used to run a deck that would first turn double ritual, hymn, and summon a hypnotic spectre. The tempo loss alone would finish people off.
Best Goblin Grenade art ever.
Wow I would have thought hymn and goblin grenade would be 1-2. Those were used so much when I was playing locally during fallen.
I would have put High Tide higher too.
Goblins weren't numerous enough (or good enough) to take advantage of the Grenade when it was in the equivalent of Standard of the day, and in Modern it's just never been quite good enough to compete with the utter nonsense that happen there. It's a solid card, just not solid enough.
I loved the lore of Fallen Empires. It's such a cool concept. I thought it would be a great starting spot for a story.
Way to be spot on with the art. This was when I was a noob. Thanks.
I cannot believe that Goblin Grenade is so low. That card looks nuts to me.
That goblin grenade art is pretty sick
Fallen Empires has many iconic nice cards, it is nothing like homelands. Great top 10!
Goblin grenade is nearly as efficient as lightning bolt over 2 red, and more efficient than most 1 mana red burn.
It could even be more wffective i goblin aggro, when opponent has established board control to for example block the goblin effectively, but only with a few life remaining. I used it together with cards like Fireblast and Fork, to end the game.
@@hermodnitter3902 that's so beautifully dirty. Forking a Grenade is so so wonderfully wrong. My hat is off to you, sir.
Even knowing what Nizzahon's about the lore dweller I am made me want to see stuff like Phyrexia 1.0, Serra's Realm etc.
A video on the best cards from the worst sets overall might also be cool.
That little creature infront of Orgg is the stuff of nightmares.
It's a doggie
Love the art from Homelands and Fallen Empires at least. XD
Orgg Vs Bob from Accounting (This should be an unset card) the raging Goblin was out sick
I mean... We have a non-Foglio, non un- set card that’s an EFFING giant bunny, a viashino and a merfolk thing being judged by a praetor...
Sometime I wish I could’ve experienced Magic from its beginning because even the worse sets seem like a fun time to experience.
I mean you can play Old School MTG which basically lets you play in Standard format based on the earliest sets like 93-94 and 94-95 those formats are the only reason I still play this game and I wasn't even born when those sets came out.
Find a copy of Microprose's game. It's freeware.
They really were fun. Ice Age is still one of my favorite sets ever. FE Homelands were bad from the start but they were still a blast to try and build anyway. lots of great memories from that time
Fallen Empires may be one of the worst sets in MtG but solely judging on the art, it is one of the best sets in Magic history, imo
It does have good art for sure.
When you sac a goblins of the flarg to the grenade and kill a Shivan Dragon or Serra angel
I love how you call it "one of Magic's WORST Sets," knowing that you've already done Homelands.
I don't have as much of an attachment to Fallen Empires as I do Homelands, but I do love playing shitty cards in EDH. Although I actually thought Homelands might have had more points total than this set, if only because of Merchant Scroll. Although Hymn to Tourach has a crap load of points itself, it (and no other cards in this set) have any points in Vintage, so this set is dead to me.
Speaking of, do "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)!" Or "Top 10 Portal Three Kingdoms" works given the crappy set theme.
@@fabianpino4910 I see.
“One of the worst” doesn’t mean the worst.
@@jakeapplegate6642 I know, he said he already did Homelands which is *the* worst set in his opinion. That's why he said this was "one of the worst."
Who are you replying to Drew?
Lol you realize that the dual lands, dark ritual, counterspell, and lighting bolt are in the original set even if you drop the power 9 you'll get a lot of cards with a lot of points. I would like to see a portal 3 kingdoms top 10. Imperial seal and Xiahou Dun the One eyed are my top two.
It's funny to see how the language of the game has changed over the years. For example, "deal X damage to any target" became "de X damage to target creature or player" so as to be more specific. But then it changed back to "any target" because "target creature or player or planswalker" would be too verbose to put on a card.
And now it'd be even more complicated as Battles are a thing that the "Any Target" cards would need to include in their list of targets.
This is my favorite set in the game due to the lore, multiple arts, and the tools it gives aggro decks in Old School and casual decks. It's got very little going for it but was made in reaction to the stupefying power of spells like Balance and the Power Nine so it has few strong spells and the creatures are still very Early Magic. Their inefficiencies made up for by the fact that the stick around and have more uses to them. Honestly I kinda wish more sets had the sensibilities of FE; turning down the power, with more of a focus on the world and flavorful set interactions over powerful ones but that doesn't make money nor is it fun for most people.
The art from this set is one of my favorites despite the dumpster fire
I’d definitely be running orcish spy in my edh playgroup
I tap top
Cool what you got
Also, great answer to counterbalance. "let me see, wich cmc i should avoid this turn."
I want Aeolipile to come back and find a home in tier 1 decks so bad. That thing was amazing back in the day.
Let’s remember that Hynm to Tourach was considered the most efficient discard spell only because Mind Twist was either restricted in Type I or Banned in Type II. HtT is not even close in power to the MT.
Depends on how you look at it I guess. Hymn is more efficient (two mana for two cards) but Twist has a higher ceiling.
@@franzise3605 Twist uses colorless mana. with Mana Vault, Sol ring, Dark Ritual, you can get very aggressive on discard, very quickly. Often making the opponent drop his entire hand by turn 2. Now add the lotus, moxes and you can paralyze the opponent on turn 1.
#1: 72 points
#2: 7 points
Need I say more?
Steam Engines famously doubled up as impressively powerful explosives that'd blow you into little pieces if you screwed anything up.
Fallen kingdoms was my first set. half of these i have fond memories of.
Nothing quite like the feeling of hitting 2 lands with Hymn to Tourach, and then watching people squirm with no or few lands. Bonus points for cheating it out early in some way! Can still win a legacy game sometimes.
a turn one ritual thoughtsieze hymn almost makes me want to find space for rits in my 8 rack. dang that would be game breaking
Who can say Fallen empires is the worst? There are interesting cards there, maybe not powerful, but interesting, and I really like the alternate art that was done for the set. I wish that was still a thing.
I remember a really fun deck with
4x White Knight/4x Black Knight
4x Order of Leitbur/4x Order of the Ebon Hand
There was another pair of 2/1 first strike protection cards that I forget the name of.
It was just a wall of first strike, it was fantastic
Even back then Fallen Empires was crap. I do remember seeing the Ebon Hand (love the buzz saw shield artwork), Gob Grenade (spiked grenade on a leash is the best), Order of Leitbur (love the art you showed on at one too) and of course Hymn was pretty huge and in most black decks. But I think a lot of us were sleepin on High Tide (I like the coral reef art the best) as I dont remember seeing it that often. Fallen Empires was the first set to really go for the alternate arts which is a pretty huge contribution to MTG but Wizards/Mattel seems to be squeezing it for all its worth. That being said, I do like a like of the alternate arts, just Wizards needs to take it easy. I cant get over on how Throne of Eldraine is rotated out already. It seems just like a couple weeks ago we went and bought a box at our local game store.
But ToE is still in Standard
@@sallomon2357 I thought it got pushed out? I just heard that the other day from some other MTG channel here on YT. Did Rudy scam me again?
@@sallomon2357It looks like its next to go, so maybe I misheard it and they said it was getting pushed out soon. I think it was on Rudy's channel (Alpha Investments) during a box opening.
@@zackschilling4376 In one of the recent videos Nizza also said mistakenly that ToE rotated while talking about Glass Casket. And then the comment section was filled with comments proving him wrong.
I don't know why is it, maybe cause it was so obnoxious cause of Oko and other crap that Nizza and Rudy made a quicker rotation of it in their heads
@@sallomon2357 That was it. I remember that now, I watched that video. It is the next to go as its the oldest set in standard.
Holy cow Fallen Empires 😂
Where are the card images from? Some of them have the "any target" wording. I didn't think they used that format back then?
They did, then went more specific, then went less verbose.
Any target was the original template before 4th Edition.
How about the top ten best sets. The sets with the highest scores and then do a bottom 10 sets
I miss playing Legacy... Land, Mox Diamond into Hymn.
Well aren't you lucky. I didn't have $100 to spend on a mox!
*me looking around cautiously since I still play with homeland's baron sengir, irini sengir and ishan's shade.*
I'm voting Thallid. Specifically the one with the staff. He's King Fungi!
I know it's not going to win, but it's my favorite card of all time.
Watch MTGRemy's Fallen Empires "preview" video!
I might be interesting and more playable in red to have, for example, a 1/1 haste that can see the top 5. But it doesn't seem very red in approach.
Where do you get your data?
If you couldn't instantly guess the #1 on the list, congratulations, you're probably under 40.
This is one of the editions I know the better since I was playing in the day. Really surprised to see the lookout there 😅
... Icatian Javelineers are in the top10? o_O I hated that card
Top 10 Worst Alpha
Top 10 Hellions
I want some Fall Empire cards with the wryvn backing
I just find it funny they actually had to specify that the opponent has to discard their entire hand if the only have 1 card in it lol. duh
A theme heavy goblin Edh deck will have goblin grenade in there.
A point you made cause my brain to stutter a moment. In old school magic, green and black opposed each other, blue and red opposed each other, and white kind of dipped around in the middle. So the fact that the "2 drop opposite" cards were black/white is kind of odd. You would think they would be blue/red and black/green in the old sets.
I’m confused. The points from the formats of the last two add up to less than the total points. #2 should be 16 based on the bracketed numbers, and #1 should be 79. Am I missing something?
The best thing about Fallen empires is the artwork of Ron Spencer.
You mentioned that, based on your criteria, Fallen Empires is better than Homelands (given points gained by cards in the set). It would probably be a lot of work, but have you considered doing a "Top 10 Worst Sets (according to the math)" video? See how many points the top 10 cards of each set represent, then count down the bottom 10 sets (maybe do the inverse for the best sets as well).
Lol I loved this set . I was poor as a kid and boxes of this was so cheep back then I bought 3 of them. It had some ok thalls and Thaliads . saporlings lol
Kamigawa next?
Is Orgg the strongest creature in Fallen Empires? Even with its rule limitation.
Personal opinion: prophesy is the worst set. No solid reasons, but I played cards out of homelands and fallen empires regularly, don’t remember using cards from prophesy at all.
Rhystic Study is probably the best card to come out of Prophecy. Now Homelands and Fallen Empires have great stories but I always found Prophecy's storyline to be very meh (the novel is also very weak). Since the expansion didn't feature the Weatherlight crew, the story was just a series of side events that had no real impact on the upcoming Phyrexian invasion (except for one major death).
shuboy05 I agree. It was just an aside in magic history.
@@shuboy05 Both the set and the novel were horrible. The idea was the all the sets of The Masques Block take place concurrently, on different planes (Mercadia, Rath, and Dominaria), directly after the end of Tempest Block (Urza Block was a flashback). Except nothing is really happening on Dominaria that pertained to overall story.
@@terryprentice9657 Yep, about the only major story event in Prophecy is an important character death. Which I felt also came out of nowhere like the character got "stuffed in the fridge."
@@shuboy05 It's a senseless death. It's only purpose is to kill off the character.
Title made me immediately think of merchant scroll from homelands
Everyone’s talking about Hymn, but I forgot High Tide was in this set
Came in going 'well number one has to be Hymn to Tourach', was not disappointed.
35 seconds, earliest I've ever been
Next do the top ten worst rares/mythics from one of Magic's most powerful sets (Urza's Saga, Darksteel, Eldraine)
do top 10 magic cards of all time
@Johnston Steiner correct that is excatly what I was looking for.
I built a rebel EDH deck and it is so bad but so fun at the same time
Yeah, but I still love Fallen Empires. More fun than the stuff we have now.
Ah High Tide. Love my legacy high tide to the date.
My favourite fallen empire are the Aztecs with their child sacrifice and cannibalism
Idk what Hymn is worth today, but i got an old MTG collection in 2016 from a friends dad and it literally had like 30 of these in it XD It wasnt worth much at that time, though. The whole collection was nice, but just funny that this card is so good(i knew it was at the time too) yet it wasnt worth anything. I ended up with 7 FoW's which is still one of the best blue cards ever!
Fallen Empires was printed WAY too much by Wizards, so even the good cards aren't worth anything. Hymn is about a dollar.
@@gantzisballs Wizards has actually never reprinted Hymn or High Tide except in special limited releases (High Tide came with the Theros comic and Hymn was reprinted for a From the Vault set) because those two cards are too powerful. But because FE was overprinted, we seriously don't have to worry about not finding a cheap copy....
Fallen Empires was when I started playing magic and it the set I have the most cards from. 😀
Can someone tell me why hyme to tourach has that extra line of text?
Probably to clarify that you can cast it on an opponent who only has one card.
Maybe the rules of choosing cards to discard were a bit different back then...? I was wondering it too
JestaKilla nailed it.
Card wording was weird back then.
That's what is called reminder text today. Or stuff in ( )
Your math for the total score on Hymn to Tourach is incorrect. It should say 79, not 72
Nobody gonna mention Goblin War Drums??? (Richard Kane-Ferguson, best artist) Hmmm, who invented Menace?
Fallen Empires actually only has 102 unique cards. Scryfall gives an incorrect number because it lists the different art for the same card as different cards. No one claims kamigawa neon dynasty has 553 which is the total number if you count all variant arts. Given that the set has only 2 cards more than antiquities and a handful more than Arabian Nights I think fallen empires is fine. If you base things on the ratio of cards in the set that are good and consider that the set was a heavily creature focused tribal themed set, I don’t think WoTC did much better a decade later when they did Onslaught block.
AEOLIpile. It's a mayonnaise bomb?
Anyone remember "hymn, hymn, I win"?
Homelands and Fallen Empires are both bad. I would have to say Homelands would be worse as Fallen Empires had some nice artwork and the ones he listed. Homelands had pretty much nothing.
Wait I didn't know cards could get restricted in standing