How Bad is Logan Sargeant Really?
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- Опубліковано 25 жов 2024
- Logan Sargeant has been racing in Formula 16 months now. In this video I break down his short career and we take a look at exactly how bad he really is and if the criticism towards him is warranted. Enjoy the video!
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Lots of drivers in f2 would look like a scrub in that car 🤷 logan had to take his f1 seat when he could. Can't blame the guy. Indy car champ 2031 lmao
Agreed. Williams needs to do a lot of work on their car to get to the point where they can seriously compete.
Indycar won't even be a thing in 2031.
@@Hehehehhehehehehehehehhe78 I certainly won't be watching lmao that's for sure
You also got to keep in mind that Logan gets upgrades later than Albon. He has to compensate by making up the gap. Honestly I can’t blame him for his lack of performance. He also got Albion’s repaired and now heavier chassis that he crashed in Australia
Is logan mediocre? Yes. For f1. But is he as bad as people claim? HEEEELLLLL no.
People dunk on him for crashing when albon had more, and worse crashes, at the start of this season. People dunk on quali like perez doesnt exist, and like he has an equal car.
Williams is currently an abysmal team. Not just car, team.
They had nothing ready for bahrain, barely even had the cars there, and then their steering wheels were fucked.
Then albon crashed both chassis, and logan was left with a busted one. He never gets upgrades, at least even near the same times, and is regularly used as a test mule in races for albon -
Note how he's always on different tyres or strategies to EVERYONE ELSE. It's not desperation from the crew, it's trying to see the other compounds to help alex.
Also, be real here. Anyone in his situation would be shat on. Devries would have been the exact same if in his shoes, and piastri, while absolutely better than logan, would still be considered bad if their teams were inverted.
Logan is a footnote, and and a stepping stone to williams. He's just taking the seat as a cheap driver to help the team limp along until they finish restructuring.
For me, I just like to ignore 2023. If this was Logan’s rookie season, which I honestly think it basically is, he is having an okay season.
IIRC, Williams' plan was to put Nyck De Vries in 2023 and let Sargeant for another year or 2 in the seat, but De Vries took the Alpha Tauri seat (With the prospect of getting a RBR seat) which left Williams with few options for 2023
I love that so many people are like "give him more time he will adapt" like bruh, this is his second season and he managed to score ONE point because Hamilton and LeClerc got dnfed. This sport is about adapting and if you are unable to do that, you're out
True, but by that metric, George Russell would not be in the sport because he did not score in 2019 and 2020 in Williams. His first points was his step into the best car on the grid. Im not saying that he will overtake Albon, all im saying is that hes closer to Albon than most people think and the stats reflect that. Im down to replace him, but least be honest about it.
@@officialECSThe difference is that in 2019 the Williams was awful, it was the worst car on the grid by a huge margin, and he swept Kubica in Qualifying. In 2020 the car was awful as well, and although yes he would've ended behind Latifi had it not been fof Sakhir, he was unlucky that Season. The Williams of 2019 and 2020 would've never scored points unless there was absolute carnage at the front
@@Jorge.Painkilleryeah. Exactly. Look at the current Williams. 2 lucky points, now with more races and a significantly condensed grid. And Logan is not given upgrades, had to give Albon his car (Albon crashed it too), got albons broken car, and the car wasn't even ready until Bahrain practice was nearly starting.
Then in the first race his brand new steering wheel quits and he goes straight on.
He hasn't gotten any support and is actively given horrid strategies just to be a test mule for the tyres for Albon.
The big thing that people ALWAYS miss and NEVER talk about when it comes to new, young drivers not doing well when they get to F1 is the fact that THEY AGREE TO GO INTO F1 IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!
Because given how fast teams move on, when they approach you might actually be the last time you get approached, so you have to take your chance.
You can't just go "eh I'll wait" man. It's 20 seats, and a new slot is rare.
It's a chance of a lifetime. Even if it's a shitty time or place, you have to take it.
He should go to Indy or sportscars. Most drivers aren't F1 material, only the very good ones make it
Yeah right. Would love how Verstappen would react in the Daytona 500 when his ass gets bump-drafted into the wall.
At this point F2 should go back to being an European Formula 3000 or GP2 style series (no races out of Europe) and make "F2" into A1GP, where a world cup of motorsport takes place. My 2 cents
I have to disagree regarding your comment about Mick Schumacher. Mick's performance in 2021 was bad, no doubt, but Mick was at a WAY bigger disadvantage than Logan. Having a high-performance veteran teammate like Albon is as much a blessing as it is a curse. Logan has had the opportunity to learn from a guy that not only has years of experience and can drive at a very high level, but also went through a period of struggles as well. Albon seems to be a pretty amiable person as well, so I imagine he'd be one of the better drivers to be paired with on the current grid. I'd say the same thing about James Vowles as well, a guy who by all accounts seems to be an extremely competent Team Prinicpal.
Mick had Mazepin. On a Haas team run by Guenther Steiner. In what was by far the worst car on the grid. Yes, his 2021 season was really bad, but IMO that says more about the situation that Mick was put into than his ability (or lack thereof) to drive the car. The entire season was wasted for Mick. Indeed, in his second season he began consistently outperforming Kevin Magnussen (who isn't on Albon's level, but is no slouch) after Canada. And yet, because Guenther doesn't like rookie drivers and only knows how to run a team by scrounging together whatever money he can by any means possible, he decides to unceremoniously kick Mick to the curb just as he's starting to show signs of getting a grip on things. And I like Guenther, but he really sucked at both handling and developing young drivers.
Albon hasn't done squat to try to bring Logan along. He basically looks at Logan as an annoyance.
@@SamGottlieb-j3n It's not his job to turn Logan into an F1 driver.
@@rars0n Not explicitly, no. But not mentoring a junior driver - especially one who is just starting in F1 - would be counter to the expectations of every other team. The drivers want to get max points, sure, so in one sense your teammate is just another competitor, but the constructors' want to maximize points, too. And if you get two guys in the top 10 - then all the better. Albon's not a superstar. He shouldn't be throwing shade on his teammate. Verstappen, maybe. But not Albon.
@@SamGottlieb-j3n There's absolutely nothing that Alex Albon would be able to do to get Logan Sargeant to score more points. Especially when the car is literally the worst on the grid at half of the races.
But I'm not really concerned with the nuances of it considering I've seen absolutely zero evidence of your claims.
Logan Sargeant seems to be a nice guy, though he should stop driving a F1 car before it's too late and he or someone else will get really hurted. Today's crash at Zandvoort proved this.
I agree with almost everything, the only thing i want to add, is should f2 be a feeder for f1? It never really has been, and f1 is just fine! Those who shine don’t stay or race in f2 for very long!
I think the rule that the champion cant race in F2 anymore has to go. F2 or Super Formula is the closest thing to F1, and you cant really keep up your skills for Formula by racing GT3 cars in different programs while waiting for a potential F1 seat.
@@officialECS I completely agree! But let’s just say that gets changed… do you think that will change things? I’m unsure myself. Money… who you know… things like this will always win no?
@@nicks4612the entire point of F2 is to be a junior series for F1. Why would it exist otherwise? It's not profitable, it doesn't have an absurdly big viewerbase. The drivers are just there to compete to get into F1.
@@Ryzard and how’s the”feeding” going?
Are you kidding? Sargeant makes Zhou look like Max Verstappen. Zhou is arguably in a worse car than the Williams as the Williams at least has straight line speed benefit. And although on zero points, he is still above his experienced team mate in the standings and still above Slowgan.
You say he was on the back foot with testing as he was not allowed to test a ground effects car, well neither was the other rookie who started that year, Piastri.
Regardless of how shit your car is or isnt, you are compared to your team mate. Piastri put in a good showing, even when the McLaren was an absolute dog at the start of the year and even earned points. Slowgan lucked into a single point when his team mate had seven points finishes.
And this year, Piastri has closed up on Norris. Albon though is still way ahead of Slowgan in performance.
Defend him all you like, but all rookies are in the same boat when it comes to testing.
And no, Antonelli is not guaranteed a Mercedes seat next year. More likely he will have Slowgans seat.
When you compare Piastri to Sargeant, you leave out the most important bits. Alpine trained Oscar for 2 years in F1 machinery before Mclaren took him for themselves and Mclaren despite being weak at the start of 2023, are still a massive team with resources. The difference between Oscar and Lando at the start was significant, but Oscar caught up to Lando because hes better than Logan sure, but he also had more resources to help him out.
Most F1 fans are way too fixated on points and they dont care about the stuff behind the points, like pace and racecraft. Yes Logan does not have a legit point yet on track, but plenty of great drivers have started out slow before and turned it around.
@@officialECS Did they train him in ground effects cars? No. You said that Slowgan not being able to use a ground effects car when he was allowed to drive a Williams was the issue. Don't change your story. You also said he drove an old Williams and did the young driver test sessions. So which is it, either he drove something or he didnt.
And fixated on points ... how else do you gauge someones true performance? When one driver is getting points and one isnt, that is a performance deficit. And when one driver keeps crashing, that is a talent deficit.
Are you chinese or something? Slou is CCP Logan lmao
You are ignoring that Piastri is in a good car lmfao. Being a tenth or two off your teammate in the first or second best car will still make you look impressive.
Is Piastri better than Logan? Absolutely. But if Piastri was in that Williams, people would be roasting him right now
@@Ryzard Why would they? You are assuming he would be as shit as Logan. He would not. Remember how impressive Russell was in that team? And how much praise Albon gets. Piastri to my mind would be taking the fight to Albon, so why the fuck would anyone be roasting him? He is as good as Albon and maybe even better. Sargeant is just way out of his depth. Being in a Williams does not mean you get roasted. Being in a Williams and being shit compared to your team mate does.
Yep, two years into F1 and still looks bad. We've all seen drivers in bad cars and it's pretty obvious the Williams doesn't fit his driving style. I will always believe he's in that seat because Liberty Media needs an American driver in the series.
It's not November yet so it's still one year
A shocking driver at an even worse team. It’s that simple.
Logan is not bad mate. Logan is just newcomer young unlucky guy... Why unlucky? Because it came from the lowest one seater championships as a winner who's can deny that? And all of a sudden is in f 1 car seat.... No doesn't work like that. needs least a year to learn the behind the paddock how about. Needs loads of time race simulator to bring on lvls his driving on the F1 demands . Needs a year WITHOUT stress p1 sessions...and last one and more important...needs a WHOLE year without pressure season in well (Established) car and in case of William's for the time being they ain't. Does any of those processes have been followed in case of Logan? No. In case of other newcomers: Russell Piastri Norris yes the have but in case of Logan.....now tell me does anyone still believe Logan is bad driver? To summarise: Logan is one young very promising driver who came in F1 with rich CV but they trow him to the ocean and told him here you go show me what can do. Unfortunately doesn't work like that...even if is written to be a legend on the sport you need prosperous ground to walk... Not swimming in the ocean with hope to reach the land. Williams is a team with huge history and grinding to come back at the lvls of the past glory. Simple as that... They need two experienced drivers as how much to want to develop a young prospect all show teams who was in same situation wasn't able to do both develop team from lvl 50 to 100 and driver as well... When the development of a car goes back and forward because is on research and development the driver have very little opportunity to develop his skills because doesn't find balance and the ground to develop Experience. drivers with huge experience needed to give feedback and straingh the car progress. Not a young with prospects to be great as Logan
I feel Williams just didn’t support him his car was not made for his strengths and is weak
Absolutely. He also gets no upgrades or support and is given worse parts, including a car Albon crashed, and parts that have failed
Complete rubbish is a fare term.
Yeah, you say only truth in this video, but i still think that logan car is s*it when you comparise his car to albon car. he has heavier chasiss etc and i think that james Vowles have logan in ass. sad because he can be decent driver like albon if he geto car like albon.
Honestly all these dudes are overrated and a lot of it is dependent on machinery.
Logan is as bad as Mick Shumaker 👎👎
Another thing: Logan made his debut at 22. That's old enough for F1. If you can't make it at this age, you never will. There's no shame in it and there's always Indy or Le Mans otherwise
So...is your premise then that you could put Verstappen into Sargeant's seat and he would win? Or that Sargeant would have the same poor results driving Verstappen's car?
@@SamGottlieb-j3nLogan can't beat Albon, that's his problem lol. Of course no one can win in that Williams. Sargeant would score points, but not podiums in that Red Bull
Fact is, Sargeant isn't very much better than Latifi. The only real difference between the two is that one got in via his father's money and the other got in via his nationality. People seem to find that hard to accept, but it's a clear objective fact.
My friend and I call Sergeant "Logan Latifi" lmao. There is such a small difference between the two drivers, I'm surprised they don't just bring GOATifi back
He didn't get in because of nationality, he got in because he was in their junior team and DeVries bounced to go to Alphatauri instead of Williams.
That left them without any good driver as a backup, and they brought him in from F2, where he was racing in their academy, a couple years early.
One tenth off of Albon, Qualified ahead of him in the Austria Sprint, and is even *BEHIND* Albon in the destructors championship, and you still call him Latifi. Let’s keep in mind Logan is still a rookie.
@@gabe5819 One good performance in Austria doesn't count for everything. As for him being a rookie, sorry you only get one rookie season. His second season isn't looking much better than Latifi. Sargent may have fewer crashes, but in his second season Latifi had a much tougher teammate to compare to in Russell.
@@davidreichert9392 1. He has used 2023 car parts this year
2. He has crash in two sessions that were his fault, Candian Race and Japanese Practice 2
3. I’m citing Austria because this was the first race that he had the same car as Albon since Australia
4. I said rookie because this was the year that Logan was supposed to get the seat, but yeah you’re right they only get one rookie season.