New Festool Compact Sanders
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- Festool have recently introduced a set of 3 compact finishing sanders which all share the same 250 w power, have advanced electronic motor control and come with a number of new features. In this video I describe the sanders, demonstrate their operation and make a few observations.
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I have all 3 of them. They are perfect and a total pleasure to use.
I just need the 150mm now.
Peter...enjoyed the video! I just purchased the DTS 400 REQ! Can't wait to get it in the post. Oh, and by the way - thanks again for introducing me to Festool...8 years ago...
Hi David, I have not regretted any of my Festool purchases and I have only had one piece of kit that needed a minor repair. Cheers. Peter
Great video, it's nice to see someone showing how the tools actually work instead of just talking about them.
Thank you. Peter
Perfect! Thank you im going for the dts and vacuum. I need to do alot af sanding inside and outside my house for repainting
Still I start use Festool I didn't realised the tools from Festool is so good, now I start to buy just Festool and Mafell for my wood work. It's a bit more expensive but the same time is a huge difference in quality...
The old phrase that a bad workman blames his tools needs a corollary - great tools really help the workman ! Cheers. Peter
Great review Brit, I thoroughly enjoyed, cheers!!!
Hi Matt, Many thanks. Peter
The fact Festool didnt design the DTS and RTS pads to be quickly interchangeable kills this for me. Not only from a cost perspective but from a space & efficiency one as well. Why do I want to store or carry around 2 sanders that are Identical other than the shape of the base. Festool could have designed the sander to easily swap out the the pointed (DTS) base and rectangle (RTS) base and just use one sander. I own A lot of Festool products and love them all but this design prevents me from purchasing this sander. Im not sure if it was just stupidity or greed that caused Festool to design it that way. Either way its very frustrating. You really only need the DTS for getting into corners otherwise the RTS is better. It would be so much better and efficient to just pop off the base and switch back and forth when getting into corners instead of unplugging the sander and vacuum every time. Plus the extra base would store neatly in 1 systainer and take up virtually no extra space. Not only does Festool try and squeeze me for another $270+ for another sander but now I have to store it either in the shop or on the truck where space is at a premium. Then if you are working on site you will have to carry 2 systainers instead of one. This might not sound like a big deal but when you already have multiple saws, Tracks, nail guns, vacuum, cords, screw guns, hand tools and god knows what else you dont need extra redundant items to carry. Shame on you Festool !
Long before these new sanders came out Festool had created the RO90 which has the ability to switch a round head for a delta head. I agree that a neat solution would have been to have a common power unit and detachable action bases but most of the professionals that I know want dedicated machines for a single purpose. One professional friend has about 8 or 9 different cordless drills with either specific drills or screwdriver bits installed. I know of many cabinet makers who have a range of single purpose sanders. It is only in the amateur and DIY markets where interchangeable features are popular. Despite this you have made a good point which many will be sympathetic towards. Peter
@@NewBritWorkshop Hey Peter, I respectfully disagree. First Im a big fan and own a lot of your stuff. Having a dozen of one type of tool has its place I am that way with routers and have dedicated routers for different tasks, because I hate switching bits & guides etc. Set it up once and done. However that system has its own challenges too. I have worked in everything from a garage shop to a 250k sf shop. Big shop = more bodies and more potential for tools walking off too. One thing is universal space is always at a premium either worktable or storage. I would rather have one sander that I could "quickly" switch bases instead of having 2 or 3 sanders on or around the bench. Routers are different story. Festool could and should have designed the power unit so the user could change the base out almost as fast as swapping paper. I could keep the DTS base in an apron pocket and pop it on for the really tight spots. So while I agree dedicated tools for a task can be good, its not for a sander. At least with RTS/DTS sander. I understand there are times for different sanders but the only difference between the RTS/DTS is the pad size and shape. Its not like vibrating vs. random orbit sander. If it was I would not be complaining since those would be task specific but thats not what these are. Someone who is looking at the RTS or DTS would probably use/need the RTS 85% of the time and only need to switch over to the DTS to get into the corners. Festool tends to cater to the smaller to average sized shop with a lot of their tools like the LR32, conturo, track saws etc. The bigger shops I have worked in hardly ever used these 99% of the time (conturo for radius work only) everything was cut on CNC routers or beam saws. We rarely even used table saws. So, yea you can spin it an way you want but Festool dropped the ball on the RTS/DTS or just simply got greedy. There is no benefit in having the RTS/DTS as two separate units. With 2 dedicated sanders RTS/DTS Each time you you need to switch you have to unplug the power and vac. Instead of just reaching into my apron pocket and swapping out the base.
Thank you so much
You're most welcome
Nice video Peter but it does raise the question why other than gouging (yep I know they are a business) did they not make the base interchangeable after all that is the sort of stuff they are good at. Not as if the people who buy Festool tools wouldn't spend the money saved on more Festool. Seems to me lately that they are not thinking about their customers, more just exploiting them.
Hi Jim, At one point this passed through my mind but I find the "one motor - many attachments" or "Universal woodworking machines" a real pain. No sooner have you set the thing into one mode then you need the other. Also, if one component fails then the whole system may be scrap. Peter
New Brit Workshop I might agree with you about the point of failure Peter were these £100 each as are the opposition (dewalt and makita?) but at £225-250 each they had better not go wrong, lol. Also we're not talking universal woodworking machine here but a sander, shouldn't be outside Festools ability to make the sanding pad easy to swap as they do it elsewhere easy enough (Rotex 90). No I just think they are now into screwing their marketplace, your mileage may vary. Jim
Hi Jim, If it were only a question of putting on another pad (like to RO90) then I see what you mean. The only tool that I have that has a duel role is my planer - thicknesser. However, the way I use it mostly is to do all of the planning in a batch and then do all the thicknessing and that does not seem too bad. I do not know any professional woodworkers who use a combination machine as they all have separate planers and thicknessers. How many of us can survive with just one router? Each to our own I suppose. Cheers. Peter
Thanks for another great video! I discovered that at least in the US, the dust bag is not included. It is an additional $30 and purchased separately. I am a Festool fan but I think they kind of dropped the ball on not including it in the kit.
Hi Nathan, They seems to vary things for each market so maybe they do not see so many folks needing the chip collector in the US. I do not have the ability to do a long term test on the chip collector but if it were good for a couple of years then perhaps $30 is not so bad. Peter
Another informative video Peter, thanks. I've been using the RTS400 for a good couple of years now, mainly for prep when decorating, along with a Mirka Pad Saver & Mirka Abranet sanding pads, excellent tool!
Oh, by the way, I really enjoyed reading Stone Message, I love a bit of time travel!
I would recommend the Downstream series by Nick Jones, also available on Amazon.
All the best, Bill
Hi Bill, I must say that I have liked every Festool sander that I have used but one does not need them all. Many thanks for buying my book and for your kind words of support. Peter
Hi Peter, i always wonder why people are moving their sanders from one end to another and back like sanding manually.....
I’ve got a brand new ets125 and new midi dust vacuum - and using Festool granit disks, but it keeps beeping at me. I use it on full. Something to do with airflow, but it’s all Festool and I’m sanding timber. Why? How do I stop it beeping?
Hi Jeff, Check the actual connection of the hose to the sander. Also have the extractor on about half power whilst sanding. Peter
@@NewBritWorkshop Will do. Connection is the new one and very solid. thanks
For such a low powered compact sander you would think that they were moving towards a battery operate tool in the not too distant future. Nice presentation. How was the vibration after prolonged use? They seem to almost be the same sander, just with different bases?
I have no idea about battery sanders except the battery would add a huge amount of weight. The vibration is minimal but my longest continuous sand was for only about 20 minutes. The power units are almost certainly the same - 250 w. Cheers. Peter
Nailed it
That is absolutely super :)
Hi Jan, Many thanks. Peter
They need to be good at the price they are!
Try them and you will see. Peter
Oh dear, Peter, you're destroying my bank account! I shall now have to splash out on a new sander. Thanks for yet another (expensive) great video.
Hi Richard, At least these sanders are not too expensive and look like excellent value for money. If you have to persuade your partner before buying just look for something around the place that needs a bit of sanding attention then try "...and this is the only one that will do that job and then it gets done before Christmas" or words to that effect. Good luck. Peter
Would the 3 different discs fit the same sender
Hi Mark, No, they are all different shapes. Peter
Haha, like the comment about your mentor Peter, I also have one! She mentors me in many things esp driving!
Hi George, In that case I have two mentors - the one that makes me keep to all the speed limits and the one who helps me with my woodwork. Cheers Peter
Great video, very informative. Just one question: can one use a 150-sized pad on the ETS125?
Hi Bert, I am not sure and the ETS is now packed away for shipping back to Festool. Sorry. Peter
Hi Peter- I cannot seem to locate the 'send message; you refer to in your videos-can you enlighten me please?
To send me a Private Message follow this link: ua-cam.com/users/StoneMessage then click "About" followed by "Send Message". Peter
Great video Peter. I already got a Rotex (after watching your video), is it worth to get another sander? Like, Rotex for rough sanding then RTS for finer sanding? Thanks.
Hi Andy, I managed for a couple of years with just the Rotex 90 and Rotex 150 but there was a huge gap in my sanding capability. I now have the ETS EC 150/3 which takes the same paper as the Rotex 150. However, each of these new compact sanders have excellent qualities which make ideal for the finer finish work. Having the ETS EC 150 already I would not go for the ETS 125 but I would love to have both of the others (RTS 400 and DTS 400). Having a rectangular shaped finish sander is important although one can manage with the delta shape. Peter
Hi peter,
How would you go about choosing between the RTS and the ETS, obviously the rectangular pad is good for going into corners, but what advantage does the circular pad have?
Also how does ETS compare to the ETS EC 150 ?
Regards,
Andrew
Hi Andrew, I have the ETS EC 150/3 and so my reply is based on that. I would love to have the RTS as I would like a rectangular finish sander. If there were a choice (forgetting price) then the ETS EC 150/3 would win for me over the ETS 125. If one did not have the ETS EC 150/3 then the ETS 125 would make a nice, slightly less expensive circular finish sanding option. However, if you have a Rotex 150 then this takes the same paper as the ETS EC 150 series and so I would then recommend the latter sander. Peter
Would the protector fot the ETS fit to the ETS EC I wonder?
Hi Dean, I do not know but the protector comes with the ETS anyway. Peter