My current PC is iTX and I doubt I'll ever build another PC that's larger than this again. I do use an external USB optical drive though...I just connect it when needed.
I'm looking to upgrade shortly (my ENTIRE PC) and was surprised to see that MANY 'modern' PC cases don't even have drive bays. Most new pre-builts don't include optical drives either. I can't see NOT having one! I suppose (to a point) that cheap, plentiful and high storage USB drives, external drives, and cheaper SSDs kinda' eclipsed them, but I still think there's nothing like having an actual physical backup media option.
I was in the same boat in 2015 when I built a new PC. I ended up rolling with the times and bought the Phanteks Enthoo EVOLV which has nothing but a sheet of metal for the front. After that I built the current PC and bought a Silverstone case from 2011 just to get my drives bays back. If you're shopping around and are interested I posted the Silverstone case last week and compare it to the previous case. Good luck on your new build!
@@CoreyDeWalt I picked up some useful cases from goodwill last year, I prefer the mid towers that accept atx and have at least 2 drive bays. I bought a new case a couple of years ago with two drive bays to replace one of my socket 775 computers with a cooler master 212 top sticking out the side!🤣🤣🤣
@wallychambe1587 I need to get a new cooler for my am3+ or lubricate the fan. It started rattling this week. And my case with the big fan is a mid tower, I just wish it wasn't red lol. I prefer cool colours.
Wow, almost no Gen-Z geniuses in the comments with their "I hAvE NeVeR uSeD aN oPTiCaL DiSc!!!" comments? Incredible. Remember kids, the cloud is just someone else's computer, and flash media is slowly erasing itself right after it's written.
I think there are Gen Zs out there that *get it* even if they didn't grow up with it. It's usually a vocal minority that like to nay say without any logic backing their opinion. But I might be wrong. Physical media is still incredibly important and I hope we can collectively maintain its relevance in the general zeitgeist. Thanks for commenting!
I'm Gen z. I don't like optical media but neither do I like cloud storage (unless it's my own, like a Nas) I just store everything on hdds and keep backups of those hdds. Optical disks are also susceptible to bitrot and its tidious to have to switch disks every time you wanna access something.
I think it all serves a purpose. I have m.2 nvme drives (OS + scratch disk for video editing + games storages), 2.5 inch SATA SSDs (frequent storage for active projects), this 4K UHD optical drive (read old games, archive and rip/watch movies) and an older style spinning platter 4tb HDD (more storage for things I need but not on a regular basis. Archiving on optical and HDDs is great for both in and off site. Cloud is good too but I prefer to own the media on which I store my most important data.
I'm a GenZ, I have a collection of 300+ burned dics of my own (Games repacked, fitgirl, kaos, rg mechanics, mods and then sum). 😂 Been burning them since I was like 10. 😂
Early Gen Z here. I haven't burnt a CD or DVD in years, but an optical drive is essential for my setup, so I can rip my ever expanding music CD collection 😁
When I went laptop shopping a few years ago, I made sure I got one with an optical drive. I might not use it often, but I'm glad to have it available for listen to, or ripping audio CDs.
Note that blu-ray M Discs are not actually the crazy 1000 year archive grade stuff, they are just higher quality BD-R. DVD-R M Discs are the ones you want for archiving data for decades.
I am a little aware that they are different but I haven't been able to find any good source explaining the exact differences unfortunately. If you have any resources on it please let me know! And thanks for commenting!
@@NetizenKing Sorry, I can't post links here, instant shadow ban from UA-cam. But if you do a little digging online, you will find that the BD-R specification had provisions for archival grade stuff before M Disc existed. Then, BD-R M Discs are visibly indistinguishable from bog standard BD-R. And to top it off, you can burn BD-R M Discs in a standard blu-ray drive. So the question is, what makes M Disc distinct from any higher quality BD-R? And then there is the fiasco with what is left of Verbatim selling organic dye discs, same ID and all, with M Disc branding and an M Disc price tag. The conclusion and the general consensus seems to be to use DVD-R M Disc if you are greatly concerned with archival over a long time.
Nice stuff man. I've been considering going back to optical media too for archival because HDDs and SSDs are stupidly expensive in my country (Brazil), and also because archiving huge amounts of data in traditional hardware gets expensive really, really fast when you add redundancy and backups into the equation, not to mention the server grade hardware that you might need to handle a bunch of drives. For me it would be mostly for animes, since my music collection is still kinda modest.
I think I went from about 2015 to this build without an optical drive. The previous pc case (which you can see in my previous videos) didn't have any drive bay slots! In 2012 I had gotten rid of most of my physical media and it was a big regret. I've been collecting it again and I'm glad to have to drive. So many old games on CD/DVD and now I can enjoy 4K UHD Blurays too! And as you mentioned it's also very useful for archiving which is something I also do. I hope you get back into it! Thanks for watching and commenting!
This m-disc isn't a dvd and is actually a BluRay m-disc which holds up to 100gb. They started making them years ago but upon all of my research it's not been very clear how similar they are to the original dvd m-discs.
Actually it's in both capacity. My old drive will burn DVD capacity mdisc and aparanyly mist modern bdr drives will burn them. Bdr and mdisc is very similar as both burn to inorganic recording layer unlike DVD or cd which uses organic dyem I have several cdrw and dvdrw discs that were burned back in the late 90s that read perfectly. Cdr and dvdr of course make a physical change to a metal lauer. i have 25 year old dvd-ram discs that also play perfect today.
@@12voltvids When you say it's in both capacity, are you saying that there were 100GB m-disc DVDs (I've never heard of a DVD with such high capacity) or that there were both DVD and Bluray M-discs (which I referenced above).
Unfortunately, this model drive has been discontinued for some time now due to industry DRM restrictions on reading UHD discs. You probably won't find a drive that has "UltraHD" emblazoned on it anymore. Your best bet is to get an LG drive that can be downflashed to be UHD-capable. They're still available on Amazon as of me writing this, but no one knows for how long.
There are variants of this drive's serial number on Amazon still. I was actually looking into doing a firmware flash in this drive but turns out with makemkv it isn't necessary. I can play and rip 4K UHD Blurays just fine.
@@dlarge6502 the great thing about ripping your physical media is that you can easily stream it on your own home network, or even across the net. No need to watch on a tiny PC monitor. Watch it on a 4K tv that way if you want! It can be a great experience if you have it configured properly. It's just another option. IMO it beats service streaming and it's higher quality/more reliable. That said, nothing beats a good 4K UHD player.
I`m 37 years old, and all my PCs were bought and built with compact disc drive of some kind. My next PCs will absolutely have these things, until world invent some better type of storage media and drive for it.
I've owned a number of portable/Laptop computers over the years and ALL of them have a CD/DVD drive so I still have access to music CDs and DVD videos. This means most of my tech is "trailing edge" at best, but my Lenovo ThinkPad T530 has outlasted all of the Apple MacBook Pro units. I could buy an "optical drive-free"laptop of the trendy superslim persuasion and daisy chain an optical drive to it, but having one built in sidesteps a messy desk.;)
Read about the Pioneer BDR-213JBK last year as being the newest and greatest, bought one last year from Amazon and it was shipped from Japan!😲😲 The box says ULTRA HD BLU-RAY. Works with M-disc and BD-XL discs (100GB) + Pure Read 3+!! Sadly I didn't get a 100GB M-Disk with mine!😁 Shows up in Windows as 213U!
I've heard that they're just putting M Disc labels on dark grey BD-Rs and charging more for them. I mean, if you hold a dark grey BD-R in your hand, they just feel premium in quality.
I just got a Blu-ray drive to backup my family photos and videos. It can write M-Disk but they are expensive. Forget about using another media for long term backup. The cloud costs money and it is just someone else's computer. Terabyte disks are is the works so optical media is far from obsolete.
I've had this this drive for a few years in the EBK version and it's great quality. I use it to archive some data and as additional backup method. If I don't need some data for regular use I like to hide it away on a disc in a drawer instead of hoarding them on my working drives. It's a great medium but unfortunately, it's progress has stagnated for a number of reasons. With natural progress we should have 1 TB discs at reasonable prices available today but instead 100/125 GB discs are not affordable at all. Another bad news is that Pioneer stopped distributing their drive to Europe (and possibly other parts of the world). There's the new BDR-213xxx drive but we can't buy them normally, except from some individuals who import them directly from Japan and sell for 3 times as much.
It's true that especially in the last few years it's becoming more difficult. But I don't think optical media is going away anytime soon. I've read about advancements in optical disc tech which is actually really exciting. But like many tech advancements, they might not be consumer level or even financially feasible for most. I'd love to see commercial high capacity discs for archiving specifically because like you I also like to lock things up on disc instead of a drive (in most cases). Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@NetizenKing I wouldn't hold my breath for the advancements in optical discs - I've been reading about various advancements for many years now like blu-rays with a huge amount of layers, etc. and nothing has come out of it yet. If some new enterprise level (and enterprise-priced) tech appears for data centres then for me this will not be that exciting anymore - I miss the days when I could give someone a disc with a video from an event - now most often they would not have any device to play it with. I know for the next couple of years the consumer level discs will still be around and for my usage (documents, source code, some photos and small amount of videos) the current capacities are okay but it would be nice if the format was more alive.
@@michaellemon8287 All valid points! I would love to see higher capacity discs also for physical game releases. I think physical media isn't going anywhere, it's just becoming more of a niche market which is what we're seeing with movie releases. I could see the same thing happen with premium game releases in physical format with large capacity discs. Wishful thinking, I know. But it sure would be cool to see.
M-Discs made sense for DVD-Rs as they were almost exculsively produced with organic dye that could degrade However BD-Rs usually come with anorganic dye (called HTL), although organic ones exist (LTH) Now it's debated wether M-Discs based on the BD-R standard have any special property compared to BD-R HTL, especially because they can be accessed and written to by non M-Disc drives and also Verbatim as a manufacuter of M-Disc has started to re-label their regular BD-R as M-Discs, stating that they are within spec of M-Discs. Besides a possible better quality control, those M-Discs might be identical to the way cheaper BD-Rs
@@NetizenKing i had one in my old gateway laptop circa 2008. even after all these years, it was my favorite laptop ive ever owned. not because of the power, but because even to 12 year old me, it just felt right, from the screen size, the brightness, the keyboard, even the trackpad. i dont even know what the specs were, but the laptop i had before was an IBM thinkpad from like 2003, which, while i didnt necessarily love (i actually dont like the look of windows before vista. never have) it was free and was powerful enough to play the games i used to play when i was like 10 years old
I have small ever-growing collection of music in CD Audio format. It still easier for me to grab a digital copy instead of ripping them myself with EAC but I might see myself using BR for movies and TV shows in the future due to their weight, but thats even more expensive of a hobby than music. Currently sitting at 1 BR show called "Ghost in the Shell SAC". A BR reader could be useful to play PS3 games via emulation on PC while enjoying the collecting aspect of games.
Yeah when you can grab the digital easily that makes sense. I use EAC and it isn't difficult but takes a bit to configure properly and of course there's the wait time to rip the disc. Something about doing it yourself feels good though.
Whenever I buy music CDs, I tend to rip them right away when I get home. Having locally available FLAC files is often easier than digging around for the CD. I still use the CDs if I need to take a long car trip somewhere.
I think I might have this, thinking I could also use it as a 4k uhd movie player, but found out I couldn't. But it is a burner. A lot of companies aren't making discs anymore.
I have a pair of 2012-2014 LG Super Multi drives. I haven't made any M-Disc archives with them, but I would like to back up 18 years of photos. The discs are quite expensive, though.
Yes, I imagine original DVD M discs are fairly expensive now because I don't think anyone is making them. The Bluray M Discs are even pretty pricey and it's not exactly clear how different they are compared to standard Bluray data discs. It's something I'm planning on exploring more in the near future.
My 2009 iMac has a defective disc drive. I recently bought a cheap, external DVD drive. Works great as I only use it as a media player. When the time comes, I will get a laptop caddy and open the IMac and swap out the dead optical drive with an SSD.
I wish I could get modern laptops with blu-ray drives as option. I now have to use external drives which is a bit of a hassle. At least all of my PC workstations still have blu-ray drives.
It's super easy. This is a modern gaming/video editing production PC Build. Stay tuned b/c in the next few episodes you'll see just how easy it is. But the TLDW is that it just slides into the front bay. You secure it with 4 screws, you plug in the SATA cable to your mobo and power to the PSU and you're set.
That's awesome! GG! I was going flash the firmware on this drive to complete unlock it but using MakeMKV ended up working well enough that I haven't bothered. Let me know how your new drive works!
@masterkamen371 PlayStation 3 console has Blu-ray drive... But PC started in 2022 fully. So NFS heat using modern graphics - source 4. Division - example.
I professionally use tape at work and also at home. Tapes last up to around 30 years or a little more. Right now I'm reading data off tapes that old at work. The oldest tapes I have go back to 1993. They are readable, the drives work fine, just need a clean inside by someone who knows how to clean a tape drive. And that's the issue. These tapes have reached their intended design life and although they could go further than this they are already showing signs of age. However these are very different from the current tapes we use, made of different stuff, still the LTO8 tapes we currently use are still intended to last 30 years. The issue with the old tapes is they shed material onto the drive heads. All old tapes can do that as the binders start to fail. Tape needs direct (well, as far as we are concerned it's direct) contact with the heads and tape path, all of which then build up magnetic deposits. Clogged heads can't read data. No big deal, I just clean them again and try reading the tape again, but then it clogs the heads again, so I repeat the cycle till the tape stops shedding too much and I can get a full dump off that tape. That's how I know these tapes are starting to get beyond their life. If it gets too bad the tape can actually stick to itself and tear. As these are enterprise grade data tapes stored for 30 years in a air conditioned room, I don't expect sticky tapes, but I have had several VHS tapes stick and tear while capturing at home. So we know tape lasts several decades, the hardware too. They outlive HDDs easily. Sure I have HDDs from that time running just fine but, they hold far less than that tape and a HDD may run today, yet be totally dead tomorrow. Optical media however have a major advantage of tape. No contact needed. They are read with a laser. They also don't stick to themselves as, they don't touch themselves. However, the tapes are designed to last 30 years ish, but many optical media bought by so many wasn't designed to last more than a few years. Cheap crap like Princo discs etc. Good optical discs are easy to find, just cost a bit more for fewer discs. They will last as long as tapes easily and many will easily go far beyond that. The tapes win for capacity, and the reliability of the hardware used to read and write them (they cost thousands of dollars/whatever because the stuff used inside them is not the pedestrian metals and plastics you usually use). I'm personally archiving to BD-R SL and DL, specifically using Verbatims MABL discs. I test the error rates of these discs every few years to literally plot in a graph how they are aging and to catch issues before they arise. I do this with CD-R and DVD+R which I also still use for certain types of data and archival. Frankly I've seen very little over 25 years of burning and testing that worries me. Heck, my pressed CDs from the 80's still have error rates far below anything approaching worry. But my backup of my archive is on LTO tape. I'm using both.
@@NetizenKing You can get a secondhand external LTO4 tape drive for not much more than that Blu-ray writer. A tale for a bit more. You'll need to learn about connection methods, like SCSI or sas. However even though I used tape to backup my optical archive, that's for me to use to recover from. I don't expect many after me to read my tapes, I intend them to read the discs!
@ yeah all things considered, as interesting as tape seems, I'll be sticking to optical bluray for archiving my own data. It's compact, high enough in capacity for my needs and lasts much longer than I'll need it to last for. I can use all of my cold CD/DVDs ad well as blurays and 4K UHD discs. I'm a fan!
Yes, unfortunately, it's becoming really difficult to find them! The one I used for this build (which you can see in my previous and upcoming videos) is the SilverStone Technology TJ08B-E.
@@NetizenKing difficult? I did a Google search and immediately found multiple suppliers with multiple case options some with 3 5.25" drive bays and some even with two floppy bays. With RGB fans too
@@NetizenKing You should do a deep dive on it, about a 10:38 long video, enriched with imagery. I think a lot of people would enjoy it. I did a quick search on UA-cam and didn't see anything that made me happy regarding M-discs.
Thanks for asking. This is a part of a series of videos where I documented my current PC build along with the upgrades that I'm currently completing. It begins at the end of 2021 and ends in the present. Edit: no it's not a re-upload! I just hadn't gotten around to completing everything until now and sat in the footage for a long time. I actually wasn't even sure that I was going to release it. At any rate, thanks for watching and commenting. I hope it's somewhat informative and interesting.
Unless someone tears some apart and confirms they still carry that stone stuff, they should be treated as just a marked up Verbatim BD-R if one is looking to get some of them.
I have an LG external Blu-Ray drive that I bought a decade ago and which, as of December 2024, seems to no longer be able to read Blu-Rays (although it can still read DVDs for some reason). I was in the middle of watching a Blu-Ray of Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer on a laptop a few days before Christmas when the old LG Blu-Ray drive just suddenly gave up the ghost and I had to finish watching Rudolph on my Playstation 4. In case it was just an issue with the Rudolph disk, I tried other Blu-Rays, even ones I've watched on the same drive recently, and none of them worked. I'm not going to complain about that, the drive was a decade old and I'm fully aware that Blu-Ray drives don't last forever. However, looking for a replacement, it's hard to find decent name-brand external Blu-Ray drives that aren't writers. I haven't burnt a disk in years (and I still have working burners for DVD-R and CD-R if I need to burn those) so I'd rather spend less and get a read-only Blu-Ray drive but the sub-C$100 read-only Blu-Ray drives on Amazon Canada all seem to be no name players with brand names that seem to be randomly-generated by AI and I don't want to spend C$80 just to get something that might only work for a few months, not a decade like my old LG drive did.
I hear you. That sucks. I'm not familiar with any below $100 CAD. This specific one isn't available any more but there are 212 variants around $130 CAD. I even saw an LG for about the same which you can do monthly payments on. Might be worth checking out!
That is really their problem, they will just lose more money and relevance. Let some new manufacturers into the game. Sony has been dying for a long time.
just googling it i see less then a handful of companies left, alot of the companies that were producing them have stopped making them in the past few years. it's winding down the same way vhs did, but there's no physical replacement.
just looking it up i see that there's only a few companies left making blurays, most of the major manufacturers have stopped producing them, it's like what happened to vhs's but this time there's no physical replacement. it's all over in a few more years.
It's part of an ongoing series that will be updating to 2025 over the course of the next couple of months. Yes, I've been sitting on footage for that long.
You just have to put the disc in and install + play! Pretty simple except for the fact that modern Windows OS doesn't support older games properly. But using a virtual machine or emulator fixes that problem. :-) Thanks for watching and commenting!
Sort of, yeah! It's part of a long series I've been making where I build and then upgrade this gaming/video editing production PC. The series is complete so now it's rolling out. Thanks for watching and commenting!
It's surprising to see someone who likes green LEDs on black faceplate! Personally I prefer white, cyan, blue or even red. Those green LEDs are my least favorite!
I think maybe the Matrix has me! /j But seriously, I find the blue (and white) LEDs to just be too harsh in a darker room on my eyes. They became trendy in the 2000's but back in the 80's/90's as I recall most were yellow or green with the occasional red LEDs.
@@NetizenKing So true, in fact Blue is the worst color for human eye vision, due to the glare it causes reducing visual clarity. I assume it's because of blue's higher refraction. However, I like the blue color! Even though it's less practical. Regarding why blue and white used to be a lot less common in 80s and 90s, Veritasium has an awesome video that explains the technical burdens of making it happen, and once they did, it exploded in popularity in the 2000s as you said. Being a 90s kid, it's so nostalgic to my eyes 😅 BTW, thanks for the actual video, I was super excited for the BluRay technology around late 2000s and early 2010s. Never got a chance to try it, and DVD drives were the last kind of optical media I used. Been free of any optical readers since 2016, but seeing technologies like M-Disk is super exciting for me. I hope it becomes more common, and I look forward to your next video exploring the M-Disk media. Thanks for taking time reading this and responding. I'm a happy subscriber! 👍👍
@@DRSDavidSoft thank you for taking the time to write all that! very interesting! I'll have to check out the other video to learn more. Without knowing the science behind it I definitely knew there was something inherently different about blue LEDs when they started popping up everywhere! Also thanks for subscribing! It's a very small channel but I hope you'll enjoy the upcoming videos and game mods I'll be sharing!
I understand reasoning, but I frankly hate non-rewritable nature of optical media. Also it's kinda slow and getting disks is expensive and lack of availability in "normal" retail shops is just not great. I would rather just get one of those high endurance SD cards with USB adapter and enjoy that setup. BTW 1TB or higher capacity models. Expensive, but more convenient than disks and in long run cheaper.
I think it really depends on your usecase. Compact SSDs are great for fast speeds and convenience but I wouldn't want to use them for archiving data over a long period of time since data is just saved in an electrical state instead of physically written. It's much more prone to failure over time. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@NetizenKing I'm aware of that, but I just feel that all media is prone to some unreliability and it's inevitable. Scale isn't the same, but still it appears to me that considering convenience just makes more sense unless you are making archival your 24/7 job and doing personal archival on side. BTW there are industrial SSDs and HDDs. not sure what magic they have inside of them, but they exist. They cost a lot, but are still rewritable, with adapter connectable with USB. I only speculate, but those SSDs might just use SLC flash storage, which is more write/rewrite resisting. But it's also better at maintaining data integrity if drive is disconnected.
I find people have literally zero idea on the benefits of read only media. I hate how everything has rewritability these days, where are the usb flash drives with a read only switch? SD cards have a little blob of plastic that may write protect the device, but whether it works or not is entirely up to the reader and OS 😢 Read only media, in fact WRITE ONCE media is fundamental for anyone using a computer. We had it everywhere but to save a few pennies we have been educated to make do without it. Frankly, thats terrible. As for optical media, did you not think to use the re-writable discs?
@@NetizenKing he's modded consoles specifically to use sdcards or ssd's because of his dislike of physical media. but i think it's just a running joke or something because he has game discs. i just like watching him put linux onto strange devices.
@ i heard about that, someone broke into his storage unit right? can't trust those things, several of my friends lost stuff using those too. you've got people as skilled as the lock picking lawyer out there. they'll even put the lock back.
i will never be without an optical drive. they are extremely useful for retro gamers and PC enthusiasts.
Hey! Thanks for commenting! Us OGs probably aren't going to easily give them up.
My current PC is iTX and I doubt I'll ever build another PC that's larger than this again. I do use an external USB optical drive though...I just connect it when needed.
As a 2007 person i burn dvds or cds every few weeks and collect them too. Optical media is 1000x better than streaming
I'm looking to upgrade shortly (my ENTIRE PC) and was surprised to see that MANY 'modern' PC cases don't even have drive bays. Most new pre-builts don't include optical drives either. I can't see NOT having one! I suppose (to a point) that cheap, plentiful and high storage USB drives, external drives, and cheaper SSDs kinda' eclipsed them, but I still think there's nothing like having an actual physical backup media option.
I was in the same boat in 2015 when I built a new PC. I ended up rolling with the times and bought the Phanteks Enthoo EVOLV which has nothing but a sheet of metal for the front. After that I built the current PC and bought a Silverstone case from 2011 just to get my drives bays back. If you're shopping around and are interested I posted the Silverstone case last week and compare it to the previous case. Good luck on your new build!
Check out the Be quiet! Pure Base 600 and the Phanteks Enthoo Pro.
@@NetizenKing CIT and Fractal make some. The Fractal cases hide them behind a door so you can't just look at the picture unfortunately
Optical and magnetic are definitely great to have! I'm about to swap my computer back to a case with drive bays
Hard to find a case with Drive bays!😲😲😲
@wallychambe1587 I have one :) it has amazing air flow with its 200mm fan but the cable management sucks.
@@CoreyDeWalt I picked up some useful cases from goodwill last year, I prefer the mid towers that accept atx and have at least 2 drive bays. I bought a new case a couple of years ago with two drive bays to replace one of my socket 775 computers with a cooler master 212 top sticking out the side!🤣🤣🤣
@wallychambe1587 I need to get a new cooler for my am3+ or lubricate the fan. It started rattling this week. And my case with the big fan is a mid tower, I just wish it wasn't red lol. I prefer cool colours.
@@CoreyDeWalt I the fan a standard size? What kind of cooler is it? You may be able to just get another fan for it!🙄🙄
Wow, almost no Gen-Z geniuses in the comments with their "I hAvE NeVeR uSeD aN oPTiCaL DiSc!!!" comments? Incredible. Remember kids, the cloud is just someone else's computer, and flash media is slowly erasing itself right after it's written.
I think there are Gen Zs out there that *get it* even if they didn't grow up with it. It's usually a vocal minority that like to nay say without any logic backing their opinion. But I might be wrong. Physical media is still incredibly important and I hope we can collectively maintain its relevance in the general zeitgeist. Thanks for commenting!
I'm Gen z. I don't like optical media but neither do I like cloud storage (unless it's my own, like a Nas) I just store everything on hdds and keep backups of those hdds. Optical disks are also susceptible to bitrot and its tidious to have to switch disks every time you wanna access something.
I think it all serves a purpose. I have m.2 nvme drives (OS + scratch disk for video editing + games storages), 2.5 inch SATA SSDs (frequent storage for active projects), this 4K UHD optical drive (read old games, archive and rip/watch movies) and an older style spinning platter 4tb HDD (more storage for things I need but not on a regular basis. Archiving on optical and HDDs is great for both in and off site. Cloud is good too but I prefer to own the media on which I store my most important data.
I'm a GenZ, I have a collection of 300+ burned dics of my own (Games repacked, fitgirl, kaos, rg mechanics, mods and then sum). 😂 Been burning them since I was like 10. 😂
Early Gen Z here. I haven't burnt a CD or DVD in years, but an optical drive is essential for my setup, so I can rip my ever expanding music CD collection 😁
When I went laptop shopping a few years ago, I made sure I got one with an optical drive. I might not use it often, but I'm glad to have it available for listen to, or ripping audio CDs.
It's definitely nice to have when you need it! I definitely find myself ripping my CDs and 4K UHD Blurays more than anything else though.
I like optical drives. Good for booting into instead of windows sometimes.
Note that blu-ray M Discs are not actually the crazy 1000 year archive grade stuff, they are just higher quality BD-R. DVD-R M Discs are the ones you want for archiving data for decades.
I am a little aware that they are different but I haven't been able to find any good source explaining the exact differences unfortunately. If you have any resources on it please let me know! And thanks for commenting!
@@NetizenKing Sorry, I can't post links here, instant shadow ban from UA-cam.
But if you do a little digging online, you will find that the BD-R specification had provisions for archival grade stuff before M Disc existed. Then, BD-R M Discs are visibly indistinguishable from bog standard BD-R. And to top it off, you can burn BD-R M Discs in a standard blu-ray drive. So the question is, what makes M Disc distinct from any higher quality BD-R?
And then there is the fiasco with what is left of Verbatim selling organic dye discs, same ID and all, with M Disc branding and an M Disc price tag.
The conclusion and the general consensus seems to be to use DVD-R M Disc if you are greatly concerned with archival over a long time.
@masterkamen371 thank you for taking the time to share that. I'll definitely look more into it. Cheers!
You´re right, however, it doesnt help. BD times over.
@masterkamen371 Why do M-Disc Burners have an M-Disk logo. Is it just for sales ? You can burn M-Dics in any Blu-ray burner ?
Nice stuff man. I've been considering going back to optical media too for archival because HDDs and SSDs are stupidly expensive in my country (Brazil), and also because archiving huge amounts of data in traditional hardware gets expensive really, really fast when you add redundancy and backups into the equation, not to mention the server grade hardware that you might need to handle a bunch of drives.
For me it would be mostly for animes, since my music collection is still kinda modest.
I think I went from about 2015 to this build without an optical drive. The previous pc case (which you can see in my previous videos) didn't have any drive bay slots! In 2012 I had gotten rid of most of my physical media and it was a big regret. I've been collecting it again and I'm glad to have to drive. So many old games on CD/DVD and now I can enjoy 4K UHD Blurays too! And as you mentioned it's also very useful for archiving which is something I also do.
I hope you get back into it! Thanks for watching and commenting!
BDR discs use a metalized film which they say will last hundreds of years similar to Mdisc which is a DVD capacity
This m-disc isn't a dvd and is actually a BluRay m-disc which holds up to 100gb. They started making them years ago but upon all of my research it's not been very clear how similar they are to the original dvd m-discs.
Actually it's in both capacity. My old drive will burn DVD capacity mdisc and aparanyly mist modern bdr drives will burn them. Bdr and mdisc is very similar as both burn to inorganic recording layer unlike DVD or cd which uses organic dyem I have several cdrw and dvdrw discs that were burned back in the late 90s that read perfectly. Cdr and dvdr of course make a physical change to a metal lauer. i have 25 year old dvd-ram discs that also play perfect today.
@@12voltvids When you say it's in both capacity, are you saying that there were 100GB m-disc DVDs (I've never heard of a DVD with such high capacity) or that there were both DVD and Bluray M-discs (which I referenced above).
Unfortunately, this model drive has been discontinued for some time now due to industry DRM restrictions on reading UHD discs. You probably won't find a drive that has "UltraHD" emblazoned on it anymore.
Your best bet is to get an LG drive that can be downflashed to be UHD-capable. They're still available on Amazon as of me writing this, but no one knows for how long.
There are variants of this drive's serial number on Amazon still. I was actually looking into doing a firmware flash in this drive but turns out with makemkv it isn't necessary. I can play and rip 4K UHD Blurays just fine.
@@NetizenKing Hey guys, if anyone has a link, it would be appreciated.
It's because Intel discontinued SGX
Why rip??
Seriously, I don't bother. I have better ways to watch UHD vs cramped up on a tiny PC monitor. Still, there are other methods if you must.
@@dlarge6502 the great thing about ripping your physical media is that you can easily stream it on your own home network, or even across the net. No need to watch on a tiny PC monitor. Watch it on a 4K tv that way if you want! It can be a great experience if you have it configured properly. It's just another option. IMO it beats service streaming and it's higher quality/more reliable. That said, nothing beats a good 4K UHD player.
Long Live the Recordable Optical Drive! My Old Dell from 2011 has 2 of those! 👍👍👍👍👍
Amazing!
I`m 37 years old, and all my PCs were bought and built with compact disc drive of some kind. My next PCs will absolutely have these things, until world invent some better type of storage media and drive for it.
I've owned a number of portable/Laptop computers over the years and ALL of them have a CD/DVD drive so I still have access to music CDs and DVD videos. This means most of my tech is "trailing edge" at best, but my Lenovo ThinkPad T530 has outlasted all of the Apple MacBook Pro units. I could buy an "optical drive-free"laptop of the trendy superslim persuasion and daisy chain an optical drive to it, but having one built in sidesteps a messy desk.;)
Wow a 530?
My current laptop of choice is a Lenovo 420
Read about the Pioneer BDR-213JBK last year as being the newest and greatest, bought one last year from Amazon and it was shipped from Japan!😲😲 The box says ULTRA HD BLU-RAY. Works with M-disc and BD-XL discs (100GB) + Pure Read 3+!! Sadly I didn't get a 100GB M-Disk with mine!😁 Shows up in Windows as 213U!
I've heard that they're just putting M Disc labels on dark grey BD-Rs and charging more for them. I mean, if you hold a dark grey BD-R in your hand, they just feel premium in quality.
I hope that's not the case! Pretty shady if true! I'll see what I can find out on that. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I just got a Blu-ray drive to backup my family photos and videos. It can write M-Disk but they are expensive. Forget about using another media for long term backup. The cloud costs money and it is just someone else's computer. Terabyte disks are is the works so optical media is far from obsolete.
We still need BD-R for archival purpose
I've had this this drive for a few years in the EBK version and it's great quality. I use it to archive some data and as additional backup method. If I don't need some data for regular use I like to hide it away on a disc in a drawer instead of hoarding them on my working drives. It's a great medium but unfortunately, it's progress has stagnated for a number of reasons. With natural progress we should have 1 TB discs at reasonable prices available today but instead 100/125 GB discs are not affordable at all.
Another bad news is that Pioneer stopped distributing their drive to Europe (and possibly other parts of the world). There's the new BDR-213xxx drive but we can't buy them normally, except from some individuals who import them directly from Japan and sell for 3 times as much.
It's true that especially in the last few years it's becoming more difficult. But I don't think optical media is going away anytime soon. I've read about advancements in optical disc tech which is actually really exciting. But like many tech advancements, they might not be consumer level or even financially feasible for most. I'd love to see commercial high capacity discs for archiving specifically because like you I also like to lock things up on disc instead of a drive (in most cases).
Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@NetizenKing I wouldn't hold my breath for the advancements in optical discs - I've been reading about various advancements for many years now like blu-rays with a huge amount of layers, etc. and nothing has come out of it yet. If some new enterprise level (and enterprise-priced) tech appears for data centres then for me this will not be that exciting anymore - I miss the days when I could give someone a disc with a video from an event - now most often they would not have any device to play it with. I know for the next couple of years the consumer level discs will still be around and for my usage (documents, source code, some photos and small amount of videos) the current capacities are okay but it would be nice if the format was more alive.
@@michaellemon8287 All valid points! I would love to see higher capacity discs also for physical game releases. I think physical media isn't going anywhere, it's just becoming more of a niche market which is what we're seeing with movie releases. I could see the same thing happen with premium game releases in physical format with large capacity discs. Wishful thinking, I know. But it sure would be cool to see.
M-Discs made sense for DVD-Rs as they were almost exculsively produced with organic dye that could degrade
However BD-Rs usually come with anorganic dye (called HTL), although organic ones exist (LTH)
Now it's debated wether M-Discs based on the BD-R standard have any special property compared to BD-R HTL, especially because they can be accessed and written to by non M-Disc drives and also Verbatim as a manufacuter of M-Disc has started to re-label their regular BD-R as M-Discs, stating that they are within spec of M-Discs. Besides a possible better quality control, those M-Discs might be identical to the way cheaper BD-Rs
Thanks for taking the time to share this!
The internet is not under our control, it is extremely fragile, I would urge everybody to back up to physical media
on point
Wish I could find some LightScribe discs for a decent price. $60 for a 10 pack now.
That's a crazy price! 😦 Lightscribe was such a cool tech too. I had one in my HP tower 20 years ago.
@@NetizenKing i had one in my old gateway laptop circa 2008. even after all these years, it was my favorite laptop ive ever owned. not because of the power, but because even to 12 year old me, it just felt right, from the screen size, the brightness, the keyboard, even the trackpad. i dont even know what the specs were, but the laptop i had before was an IBM thinkpad from like 2003, which, while i didnt necessarily love (i actually dont like the look of windows before vista. never have) it was free and was powerful enough to play the games i used to play when i was like 10 years old
@@masterbond9 That's awesome. Thanks for sharing your good memories!
Wow really? I have one of those drives from one of my old pics still. Never seen one of those discs though ever.
I was under the impression they didn't make them anymore which is annoying as I'd prefer to use it.
Are these able to rip UHD movies using Makemkv software?
Yes - They absolutely can!
@@NetizenKing Have you tried it?
Nice! I had the Syquest 1.5 GB in my Pentium 90❗️🔥🔥
I hope everything proceeds smoothly.
Thanks! Stay tuned because I'll be posting the entire build. 🙂 Thanks for watching and commenting!
I have small ever-growing collection of music in CD Audio format. It still easier for me to grab a digital copy instead of ripping them myself with EAC but I might see myself using BR for movies and TV shows in the future due to their weight, but thats even more expensive of a hobby than music. Currently sitting at 1 BR show called "Ghost in the Shell SAC". A BR reader could be useful to play PS3 games via emulation on PC while enjoying the collecting aspect of games.
Yeah when you can grab the digital easily that makes sense. I use EAC and it isn't difficult but takes a bit to configure properly and of course there's the wait time to rip the disc. Something about doing it yourself feels good though.
Whenever I buy music CDs, I tend to rip them right away when I get home. Having locally available FLAC files is often easier than digging around for the CD. I still use the CDs if I need to take a long car trip somewhere.
I think I might have this, thinking I could also use it as a 4k uhd movie player, but found out I couldn't. But it is a burner. A lot of companies aren't making discs anymore.
I have a pair of 2012-2014 LG Super Multi drives. I haven't made any M-Disc archives with them, but I would like to back up 18 years of photos. The discs are quite expensive, though.
Yes, I imagine original DVD M discs are fairly expensive now because I don't think anyone is making them. The Bluray M Discs are even pretty pricey and it's not exactly clear how different they are compared to standard Bluray data discs. It's something I'm planning on exploring more in the near future.
My 2009 iMac has a defective disc drive. I recently bought a cheap, external DVD drive. Works great as I only use it as a media player.
When the time comes, I will get a laptop caddy and open the IMac and swap out the dead optical drive with an SSD.
I agree. I still have an optical drive in 2025. I will look into 'M' disks. Thank you .
Thanks for watching and commenting!
I wish I could get modern laptops with blu-ray drives as option. I now have to use external drives which is a bit of a hassle. At least all of my PC workstations still have blu-ray drives.
This makes me wonder if a modular laptop like the Framework supports internal laptop optical drives.
Thanks 👍
Good luck 🍀
Thanks for watching and commenting! 🙂
How easy is this to put in a modern gaming pc?
It's super easy. This is a modern gaming/video editing production PC Build. Stay tuned b/c in the next few episodes you'll see just how easy it is. But the TLDW is that it just slides into the front bay. You secure it with 4 screws, you plug in the SATA cable to your mobo and power to the PSU and you're set.
Never thought I'd see such enthusiasm for an optical drive in 2025, what next floppy drives?
Same here actually! But I'm glad people are passionate about them. I've got a few floppy drives. Maybe those will be next! /j
Yes, loads of people still love their floppy drives.
With retro computers of course.
I recently upgraded the firmware on my Blu-ray drive to read 4K Blu-ray. Now I just need a 4K Blu-ray disc to test it.
That's awesome! GG! I was going flash the firmware on this drive to complete unlock it but using MakeMKV ended up working well enough that I haven't bothered.
Let me know how your new drive works!
NFS heat (2019) still using DVD-ROM... Last situation.
Too bad the game is awful.
@masterkamen371 PlayStation 3 console has Blu-ray drive... But PC started in 2022 fully.
So NFS heat using modern graphics - source 4. Division - example.
I always thought tapestreamers are the safest way to backup your data?
I'm not really familiar with tapes drives. It would be a cool thing to get into but I'm guessing it requires expensive hardware.
I professionally use tape at work and also at home.
Tapes last up to around 30 years or a little more. Right now I'm reading data off tapes that old at work. The oldest tapes I have go back to 1993. They are readable, the drives work fine, just need a clean inside by someone who knows how to clean a tape drive. And that's the issue. These tapes have reached their intended design life and although they could go further than this they are already showing signs of age. However these are very different from the current tapes we use, made of different stuff, still the LTO8 tapes we currently use are still intended to last 30 years.
The issue with the old tapes is they shed material onto the drive heads. All old tapes can do that as the binders start to fail. Tape needs direct (well, as far as we are concerned it's direct) contact with the heads and tape path, all of which then build up magnetic deposits. Clogged heads can't read data. No big deal, I just clean them again and try reading the tape again, but then it clogs the heads again, so I repeat the cycle till the tape stops shedding too much and I can get a full dump off that tape.
That's how I know these tapes are starting to get beyond their life. If it gets too bad the tape can actually stick to itself and tear. As these are enterprise grade data tapes stored for 30 years in a air conditioned room, I don't expect sticky tapes, but I have had several VHS tapes stick and tear while capturing at home.
So we know tape lasts several decades, the hardware too. They outlive HDDs easily. Sure I have HDDs from that time running just fine but, they hold far less than that tape and a HDD may run today, yet be totally dead tomorrow.
Optical media however have a major advantage of tape. No contact needed. They are read with a laser. They also don't stick to themselves as, they don't touch themselves. However, the tapes are designed to last 30 years ish, but many optical media bought by so many wasn't designed to last more than a few years. Cheap crap like Princo discs etc.
Good optical discs are easy to find, just cost a bit more for fewer discs. They will last as long as tapes easily and many will easily go far beyond that. The tapes win for capacity, and the reliability of the hardware used to read and write them (they cost thousands of dollars/whatever because the stuff used inside them is not the pedestrian metals and plastics you usually use).
I'm personally archiving to BD-R SL and DL, specifically using Verbatims MABL discs. I test the error rates of these discs every few years to literally plot in a graph how they are aging and to catch issues before they arise. I do this with CD-R and DVD+R which I also still use for certain types of data and archival. Frankly I've seen very little over 25 years of burning and testing that worries me. Heck, my pressed CDs from the 80's still have error rates far below anything approaching worry.
But my backup of my archive is on LTO tape. I'm using both.
@@NetizenKing You can get a secondhand external LTO4 tape drive for not much more than that Blu-ray writer. A tale for a bit more.
You'll need to learn about connection methods, like SCSI or sas.
However even though I used tape to backup my optical archive, that's for me to use to recover from. I don't expect many after me to read my tapes, I intend them to read the discs!
@ SUPER informative! Thanks for sharing all of that!
@ yeah all things considered, as interesting as tape seems, I'll be sticking to optical bluray for archiving my own data. It's compact, high enough in capacity for my needs and lasts much longer than I'll need it to last for. I can use all of my cold CD/DVDs ad well as blurays and 4K UHD discs. I'm a fan!
You do NOT need M-disc to archive your data. Blu-ray discs last 100+ years, and they are cheaper in price. 🤔
This is true. I used BR for pretty much all of my archiving.
My 3 desktops have M-Disc drives. Older desktops but handy. I use my old HP Z440 Workstation to archive as it quite powerful.
I have in my PC case ATA drive... ; DVD, DVD-RW, CD-RW.
But new motherboard od only with sata ;)
BR was/is too expensive to casual use.
Only stupid people build a new PC without a Blu-ray drive installed. 🤔
It's pretty difficult when people can't buy new cases with drive bays!
@@NetizenKing True, very few cases under $100 have drive bays!😱😱😱
I decided on the middle ground, and when I put USB stick on PC, the noises of DVD drive are generated.
This sounds like a really interesting project. I'd love to hear more about it!
I just received an album of genshin soundtrack cds and this video shows up… what are the odds
Synchronicity!
Make Blu-ray great again.
it already is great! 🙂
Its impossible to find modern pc casing with optical drive slots 😢
Yes, unfortunately, it's becoming really difficult to find them! The one I used for this build (which you can see in my previous and upcoming videos) is the SilverStone Technology TJ08B-E.
Check out the Be quiet! Pure Base 600 and the Phanteks Enthoo Pro.
@@NetizenKing difficult? I did a Google search and immediately found multiple suppliers with multiple case options some with 3 5.25" drive bays and some even with two floppy bays.
With RGB fans too
Thanks to this video, I now know that m-disc is a thing. :) Thank you.
That's great - glad you've learnt something! It's really cool tech! I might do a video just on m-discs soon because it's pretty interesting imo
@@NetizenKing You should do a deep dive on it, about a 10:38 long video, enriched with imagery. I think a lot of people would enjoy it. I did a quick search on UA-cam and didn't see anything that made me happy regarding M-discs.
What do you mean by "in 2021", is this a reupload?
Thanks for asking. This is a part of a series of videos where I documented my current PC build along with the upgrades that I'm currently completing. It begins at the end of 2021 and ends in the present. Edit: no it's not a re-upload! I just hadn't gotten around to completing everything until now and sat in the footage for a long time. I actually wasn't even sure that I was going to release it. At any rate, thanks for watching and commenting. I hope it's somewhat informative and interesting.
@@NetizenKing good to know
People have found that most Blu-Ray M-DISCs carry the exact same manufacturing info as plain Verbatim BD-Rs.
Unless someone tears some apart and confirms they still carry that stone stuff, they should be treated as just a marked up Verbatim BD-R if one is looking to get some of them.
Very interesting. I'll have to look into this. Thanks for watching and sharing that!
Which is perfectly fine as MABL discs last hundreds of years.
I have an LG external Blu-Ray drive that I bought a decade ago and which, as of December 2024, seems to no longer be able to read Blu-Rays (although it can still read DVDs for some reason). I was in the middle of watching a Blu-Ray of Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer on a laptop a few days before Christmas when the old LG Blu-Ray drive just suddenly gave up the ghost and I had to finish watching Rudolph on my Playstation 4. In case it was just an issue with the Rudolph disk, I tried other Blu-Rays, even ones I've watched on the same drive recently, and none of them worked. I'm not going to complain about that, the drive was a decade old and I'm fully aware that Blu-Ray drives don't last forever.
However, looking for a replacement, it's hard to find decent name-brand external Blu-Ray drives that aren't writers. I haven't burnt a disk in years (and I still have working burners for DVD-R and CD-R if I need to burn those) so I'd rather spend less and get a read-only Blu-Ray drive but the sub-C$100 read-only Blu-Ray drives on Amazon Canada all seem to be no name players with brand names that seem to be randomly-generated by AI and I don't want to spend C$80 just to get something that might only work for a few months, not a decade like my old LG drive did.
I hear you. That sucks. I'm not familiar with any below $100 CAD. This specific one isn't available any more but there are 212 variants around $130 CAD. I even saw an LG for about the same which you can do monthly payments on. Might be worth checking out!
@@NetizenKing I think I'm just going to wait a few months (until I figure out some things financially) and pay extra for a name brand Blu-Ray drive.
Sony is going to stop making blu ray disc..
That's okay. Optical media isn't going away anytime soon.
I didn't buy sony discs anyway so no biggy.
meanwhile sony shutdown one of the last production factories for blurays and dvd's
but only for BD-R, not all BD
That is really their problem, they will just lose more money and relevance. Let some new manufacturers into the game. Sony has been dying for a long time.
It's not one of the last and they weren't selling their discs anyway.
We were all buying from other manufacturers.
just googling it i see less then a handful of companies left, alot of the companies that were producing them have stopped making them in the past few years. it's winding down the same way vhs did, but there's no physical replacement.
just looking it up i see that there's only a few companies left making blurays, most of the major manufacturers have stopped producing them, it's like what happened to vhs's but this time there's no physical replacement. it's all over in a few more years.
I did myself archive my old data on m disk 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Nice! 👍
Upcoming Windows 11? I thought this video was uploaded in 2021.
It's part of an ongoing series that will be updating to 2025 over the course of the next couple of months. Yes, I've been sitting on footage for that long.
disks are very use full
They certainly can be! I use this one for archiving data as well as playing old games that I still have on physical media! 🙂
But does it work with PS3 and PS4 games?
can it rip hd blu-rays with mkv if not I'm sticking with either lg or asus.
It sure can. I just ripped my copy of Into The Spiderverse!
i love cd drives. i have a few now cd and dvd. but im missing on disc
How do you play old games? 🎉🎉🎉
You just have to put the disc in and install + play! Pretty simple except for the fact that modern Windows OS doesn't support older games properly. But using a virtual machine or emulator fixes that problem. :-) Thanks for watching and commenting!
In 2021? Dusting off the archives?
Sort of, yeah! It's part of a long series I've been making where I build and then upgrade this gaming/video editing production PC. The series is complete so now it's rolling out. Thanks for watching and commenting!
It's surprising to see someone who likes green LEDs on black faceplate! Personally I prefer white, cyan, blue or even red. Those green LEDs are my least favorite!
I think maybe the Matrix has me! /j But seriously, I find the blue (and white) LEDs to just be too harsh in a darker room on my eyes. They became trendy in the 2000's but back in the 80's/90's as I recall most were yellow or green with the occasional red LEDs.
@@NetizenKing So true, in fact Blue is the worst color for human eye vision, due to the glare it causes reducing visual clarity. I assume it's because of blue's higher refraction. However, I like the blue color! Even though it's less practical.
Regarding why blue and white used to be a lot less common in 80s and 90s, Veritasium has an awesome video that explains the technical burdens of making it happen, and once they did, it exploded in popularity in the 2000s as you said. Being a 90s kid, it's so nostalgic to my eyes 😅
BTW, thanks for the actual video, I was super excited for the BluRay technology around late 2000s and early 2010s. Never got a chance to try it, and DVD drives were the last kind of optical media I used. Been free of any optical readers since 2016, but seeing technologies like M-Disk is super exciting for me. I hope it becomes more common, and I look forward to your next video exploring the M-Disk media.
Thanks for taking time reading this and responding. I'm a happy subscriber! 👍👍
@@DRSDavidSoft thank you for taking the time to write all that! very interesting! I'll have to check out the other video to learn more. Without knowing the science behind it I definitely knew there was something inherently different about blue LEDs when they started popping up everywhere!
Also thanks for subscribing! It's a very small channel but I hope you'll enjoy the upcoming videos and game mods I'll be sharing!
Just bought a Pioneer BDR-213JBK last year but M-Disks are priced too damn high!!🤬🤬 Sony said they were going to quit producing discs!🤬🤬🤬
I heard this!
Sony don't make mdisc.
Sony are not a big player in bd-r production either.
I understand reasoning, but I frankly hate non-rewritable nature of optical media. Also it's kinda slow and getting disks is expensive and lack of availability in "normal" retail shops is just not great. I would rather just get one of those high endurance SD cards with USB adapter and enjoy that setup. BTW 1TB or higher capacity models. Expensive, but more convenient than disks and in long run cheaper.
I think it really depends on your usecase. Compact SSDs are great for fast speeds and convenience but I wouldn't want to use them for archiving data over a long period of time since data is just saved in an electrical state instead of physically written. It's much more prone to failure over time. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@NetizenKing I'm aware of that, but I just feel that all media is prone to some unreliability and it's inevitable. Scale isn't the same, but still it appears to me that considering convenience just makes more sense unless you are making archival your 24/7 job and doing personal archival on side.
BTW there are industrial SSDs and HDDs. not sure what magic they have inside of them, but they exist. They cost a lot, but are still rewritable, with adapter connectable with USB. I only speculate, but those SSDs might just use SLC flash storage, which is more write/rewrite resisting. But it's also better at maintaining data integrity if drive is disconnected.
I find people have literally zero idea on the benefits of read only media.
I hate how everything has rewritability these days, where are the usb flash drives with a read only switch?
SD cards have a little blob of plastic that may write protect the device, but whether it works or not is entirely up to the reader and OS 😢
Read only media, in fact WRITE ONCE media is fundamental for anyone using a computer. We had it everywhere but to save a few pennies we have been educated to make do without it. Frankly, thats terrible.
As for optical media, did you not think to use the re-writable discs?
@ Wait, so you write a long rant about ROM and then ask about RW-ROM?
M disc lasts up to 100 yrs, not 1000yrs
1000 years is what's claimed. Not that it's verifiable however.
if bringus was dead. he would be rolling in his grave over this video.
I don't know who that is but he must not like retro gaming or physical media? At any rate, thanks for commenting!
@@NetizenKing he's modded consoles specifically to use sdcards or ssd's because of his dislike of physical media. but i think it's just a running joke or something because he has game discs. i just like watching him put linux onto strange devices.
I follow his channel, dude was robbed badly, they took many of his devices, including some that were in his videos.
@ i heard about that, someone broke into his storage unit right? can't trust those things, several of my friends lost stuff using those too. you've got people as skilled as the lock picking lawyer out there. they'll even put the lock back.
Optical media BAD!
Optical media GOOD! Thanks for commenting! :-)
Go home zoomer. Come back when all the stupid cloud services you rely on delete all your stuff and you're big mad.