PFT’S Mike Florio: Raiders Should’ve Never Hired Josh McDaniels | The Rich Eisen Show
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- Pro Football Talk’s Mike Florio and Rich Eisen discuss why the Raiders parted ways with Josh McDaniels.
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Florio is delusional. You could give McDaniels or Patricia 10 years and they wouldn’t turn a franchise into a winner. Not giving them enough time wasn’t the problem, hiring them in the first place was.
That's not what he's saying. He's saying that if the owner was going to have them on a short leash he shouldn't have hired them to begin with. Not that they'd be successful if given more time, just that the owner shouldn't have hired them to begin with if this outcome was on the table. Either be prepared to give them a long leash or don't bother hiring them.
No, florio is right
How do you know? I mean, Shanahan was a.500 coach for a lot of seasons without Jimmy G or Purdy. And he had way more talent than the Raiders. Look where Belichick is sitting right now, worse than McDaniels.
@@Windupchronicevery raiders fan will tell you we loved Al Davis but would be total liars if we didn't admit his constant interference in the day to day stuff was sometimes exhausting.
Florio is definitely delusional
"Matt Patricia didn't get enough time in Detroit" honestly stands alone as one of the dumbest sports-related takes I have heard in my entire life
Absolutely correct. This was a terrible hire from the beginning.
There’s no such thing as patriot way. Bellicheck almost has no successful coaches that have branched off. Tom Brady was the winner. That’s it.
And Bellichick himself has never been a successful HC outside of Brady. The Patriot way lived and died with Brady's career.
my dude learn how to spell Belichick before spouting nonsense
@@ThePowerOfOneThePowerOfTwogo look at the job he did with the browns was turning them around before they moved to baktimore
Nick Saban?
@@DMKFACTOR college football people don't count that because it's basically a different sport with how players are acquired especially with how it was back then when he was dominating before the nil deals existed. A better example for NFL coaching is Bill O'Brien but he shot himself in the foot by literally trying to be Bill belichick and being a general manager as well as a coach he was a good coach he wasn't a good general manager and he destroyed the Texans.
Bissacia earned a shot. What if? We'll never know. MD cost us another 5-6 years.
And he still won't hire the right GM and Head Coach because he's an imbecile. His father was crazy but knew what he was doing (outside of the last few years). Nobody with any credibility or half a brain would go there either, you're never overcoming chaotic ownership.
The Raiders were more concerned about getting a big name head coach then hiring the best candidate for the job. McDaniels proved in Denver he just doesn't have what it takes to be a Head Coach. Maybe McDaniels could be a good college HC, but he's not qualified to be an NFL HC.
Since their Super Bowl appearance, Raiders have been to the playoffs twice. Once with Rich and Mike after a lot of team adversity. MD needs to stop meddling like his dad always did (when he got too old). MD seems to be unable to recognize how inept he is at hiring coaches.
If AD does well, I expect him to be out the door the same way Rich left.
As a Bucs fan, I love Bisaccia and I would have loved to see him get a HC job. But reality is, there is only one ST turned HC in John Harbaugh while most of the top teams have an OC turned HC.
Who the F has 3-4 years of horrible losses to give to a new coach in 2023? Florio is out of his mind
Captain Hindsight always sees 20/20
I mean if you're a raiders fan you literally had broncos fans being honest with you going "I can tell you he sucks if you don't trust us listen to the Patriots fans because they know how this works too"
All of us in Raider nation knew of McDaniels' failure at Denver. Dumb and Dumber Davis has hired ONE good coach since his dad died, and let the 2nd one leave.
Captain Morgan sees double.
Mike Florio is captain “I told you so” 🤡
He and Chris Simms is proof life isnt fair. Who the hell are they to give football analytics? Some nerd and a fail QB that is only on TV because of his dad. SMH . Pro Football focus is a joke
Their commentary and analysis really isn't that bad guys. I could name a good amount of "analysts" who are way less educated and just spew dart board logic.
@@vincentmorgan5649they aren't a part of pff lol
@@r4veneye13yeah they're part of Pro Football Talk (PFT) - two totally different talk shows
I really like Florio's perspective. His legal background really angers Gooddell because Florio looks at it from that perspective. Not taking anything at face value. I love it.
Raiders since Tom Flores aka their last SB winning coach who was fired in 1987:
Mike Shanahan: 8-12
Art Shell: 56-52, 2-3 playoffs
Mike White: 15-17
Joe Bugel: 4-12
Jon Gruden Part 1: 38-26, 2-2 playoffs
Bill Callahan: 18-25, 2-1 playoffs, lost Super Bowl
Norv Turner: 9-23
Lane Kiffin: 5-15
Tom Cable: 17-27
Hue Jackson: 8-8
Dennis Allen: 8-28
Tony Sparano: 3-9
Jack Del Rio: 25-23, 0-1 playoffs
Jon Gruden Part 2: 30-31
Rich Bisaccia: 7-5, 0-1 playoffs
Josh McDaniels: 9-16
Florio is a funny guy with his ghostbuster lego set and his street plaque with his name on it, but he has the credibility of a french accountant who learned about football by reading the financial times sport section
Florio really deserves his reputation
Florio should be working for the National Enquirer.
Josh McDaniels thought Tim Tebow was good enough to be an NFL QB. That should have been enough to never get him another HC gig.
Actually Tim saved him…Tebow was awesome….treated like crap.
Plus, his flip flopping with the Colts Head Coach job. Not sure what happened there, but he didn’t look committed nor professional.
Far from the worst thought/idea McD has ever had. He wasn't around for it but Tebow helped turn a 1-5 team into division winners that won a playoff game.
@@bocagoodtimes1460 Tebow was awful. One of the biggest 1st rd busts in NFL history. His 47 completion % is bottom 5 in NFL history for a 1st rd pick. He averaged 69.2 passing yards per game for his career. That is terrible. Denver had the 32nd ranked passing offense. They had a top 5 defense and run game. Treated like crap? He was a 3rd string QB with the Jets, Patriots and Eagles, who all quickly ditched him. Go read the Elway book on how much of POS Tebow was. How he was lazy, didnt know the playbook. How he charged $30,000 to appear at Broncos charity events. Go read comments from Jets players who said he was lazy, a bad teammate. He also refused to listen to his coaches and refused to come in on wildcat plays designed for him because he felt he should be the starter. With the Eagles he didnt make the roster but didnt stop him in camp from holding press conferences because you know 3rd string duds always do that, right? He was a great college QB but lousy egomaniac who craved the media attention and money in not just the NFL but in minor league baseball where he sucked, took a roster spot from a deserving player all because he was a media circus and made his team and other teams money. Tebow also refused to switch positions. Refused to play in other leagues. His NFL career would've lasted longer if he converted to TE or FB. Of course years later when his minor league career failed he went to the Jaguars and converted to TE for his terrible college HC. That didnt last. Tebow was cut, his coach was one of the worst ever in the NFL.
35 games
2,422 passing yards
17td/9int
75.3 QB rating
47.9 completion %
69.2 passing ypg
12 rushing td
14 fumbles
@@dylanstreibig9234 Denver went 8-8 that year. They won a division where 3 other teams went 8-8 and one went 7-9. Worse division in the NFL that year and had Denver played in another division with that record they would've missed the playoffs. Three 9-7 teams missed the playoffs that year and 8-8 Denver made it. Denver also had a top 5 defense AND run game. They had the 32nd ranked passing offese. People hype his playoff win. Rex Grossman nearly won a Super Bowl. Want to hype him as a good QB? There is a LONG list of average to even bad QB who actually won playoff games. Erik Kramer is the last Lions QB to win a playoff game...and that was 1991 and they made it to the NFC title game. He was a horrible QB. Had 1 good year and it wasnt even 1991. People also ignore how Tebow and Denver did in the next game. 45-10 loss. Tebow went 9-26, 136 yards.
Browns fan here. Hear what Florio is saying at the end, but we will HAPPILY accept Jimmy G over PJ Walker. Please cut him @Raiders
What a horrible take by Florio where has any Belichek disciple ever do well in a HC position? It would’ve been 3 years of a tyre fire
Brian Flores is the only one, but yes he did it essentially immediately.
@@clumsysmurf8109yup B flo was the only one and he got sent packing too lol
The Patriot way = draft the greatest player ever
@@clumsysmurf8109
Flores was 24-25 and didnt make the playoffs in his 3 years.
@@Peppers19781978 Flores took over a mediocre Miami team. He was never really given a chance to improve a team.
It's wild how everyone EXCEPT for the Raiders front office knew the dude never should've been hired from jump 🤦🏿. We all saw this day coming it just should've happened a lot sooner
Hey rich antonio pierce a linebacker coach as head coach is exactly how al davis did it with JOHN MADDEN AND THAT WENT GREAT EXCEPT RAIDER PLAYERS BACK THEN WERE PARTY ANIMALS I KNEW SOME OF THEM PERSONALY AND HAD A FEW BEERS GREAT TIMES. SO HOPEFULLY PIERCE WILL HAVE SUCCESS LIKE JOHN
Florio has two takes: Captain Obvious or Wild Speculation
I don't hate McDaniels as much as others but it's true. Being HC wasn't up his alley. He probably stood a better chance if Brady became QB but it was too late by the point
Yet Bisacia isn’t a head coach anywhere. 🤔
Should have asked Florio why he was pissing on the "Overreaction Monday" segment last week.
The bigger mystery is why Mark Davis can't find a hairdresser.
seriously, its time everyone in the media covering football rid themselves of the term" the bellichek tree "... there is no tree .... its obvious by mow
"Matt Patricia didn't get enough time in Detroit"
Oh boy ... if Florio had any credibility left, it would've been all gone with that comment.
You know who should be fired? Davis’ barber, that’s who should be canned.
😂😂🤣🤣😂
There it is, the universal truth has been spoken!
He has no barber. Only a pot and a scissor.
What's with the Ghostbusters firehouse in the background?
Mark Davis inherited the team from his dad. He didn't inherit his father's knowledge of running the team.
Although his fathers knowledge of successful footbal ended in the 70's. He got lucky in the 80's that first year in LA. I met him in 2001 and he wasd 30 years behind the times.
@@TT41401, that's true. Al Davis was out of touch with the game in his later years.
Al Davis was a moron. He thought Daryl Russell was better then Calvin Johnson and brag about it after both players were into second season of there respective careers. Kiffin wanted Johnson and was called out in front of team for wanting Johnson over Daryl Russell. Al Davis was a complete moron and one of dumbest owners in NFL history .
The Patriot Way is dead. Killed by Mark Davis on Halloween night what a savage move. Raider fans are overwhelmed with joy. Carr won't say it, but I'm sure he feels vindicated. Remember Carr kept the 2021 team together.
Never should have fired Jack del Rio and Reggie McKenzie
It's time to admit that the Patriot way is actually the Brady way.
Now he says he should not been hired, he certainly did not say that at the time of his hiring, and the Patriot way was because of mainly TB.
Matt Patricia didn't get enough time in Detroit. On behalf of Lions fans, nope! He had too much time
Is that a Ghostbusters Lego Firehouse set behind Florio?
Finally, somebody calling Jimmy G for what he is. Guy went to 1 SB on the back of a great team (lost the game because of a poor throw) and all of a sudden he was the it guy. Gimme a break. Back to the Chicken Ranch with him.
Thank you my brother you know a lil something about football....Salud
Because Raiders, Brad Johnson was the bucs QB that won a super Bowl against them.
We were a playoff team when he got there bro...
Raider nation deserves better!
Lol you dont need the time to change it when he did thag bad. When its in the wrong direction you cut bait and move on. Like pencil Patricia
Mark Davis needs to fire whomever is doing his hair. Holy crap.
Florio, name one, just one Patriots coach success story, I'll wait .....
Mark Davis needs to pack his bags, save face and sell the team to a competent owner. That’s what needs to happen to the Raiders!!!
Josh McDaniels lost the lockeroom
Hindsight is wonderful but you have to laugh at people who declared what a threat Jimmy G was to Brady at New England.
😂lol 💯 percent right on everything!! We needed this !!
Florio is enjoying this because he's always hated the Raiders 😊
He does not hate the Raiders. He hates the mishandling of a storied organization. He's a lawyer. The Raiders SHOULD be a perennial winner. They are a keystone organization to the success of the NFL. The product on the field over the past 20 years has been an abject failure. That's what he dislikes. The Raiders start winning, he stops pointing out their faults.
He does dislike Aaron Rodgers though lol. There is no escaping that.
Agreed. Partly to blame is the owner Fcuk Davis. He decided to change a good Raider team under Bisacchia which overcame multiple adversities to reach 2021 playoff. Raiders was a playoff team heading towards 2022. We barely lost to AFC Champs Bengals who got some help from the officials. Fcuk Davis should’ve stick to Bisacchia because he earned the HC job and never should’ve hired MacDummie. 2022 would’ve been a great season for the Raiders but Fcuk Davis & MacDummie spoiled it. This is also karma getting back to MacDummie for the way he treated Derek Carr until Carr unceremoniously left the Raiders. Carr was never the problem and now we know who is the real problem is. Really sad for Davantae Adams who just came to Raiders to play with his college QB but again MacDummie spoiled it.
He proved that 3-4 years was going to be fruitless. Letting McDaniels stay would have been more years of pure trash offense and high draft picks.
Wrong! Florio is right.
@patrickmoylan5983 He made the players and the team worse. Look at the offense rankings. He got what he deserved
I saw when Mayock totally disrespected Rich Eisen on national TV. Shocked me. But Rich was totally professional. But Rich… be nice to my New York Jets ;)
I love it!! The Steelers should have done something like this!!
What fire MT? That's dumb.
Tomlin has more wins than Cowher and more wins than Chuck Noll did in his final 12 years. The Steelers patience is why they always win and compete. Raiders have had 10 head coaches since Tomlin was hired. They have 3 head coaches since 1969.
Since 2007
Steelers
0 losing seasons
2 Super Bowl appearances
1 Super Bowl win
3 AFC title game appearances
8 playoff wins
Raiders
11 losing seasons
10 head coaches
0 playoff wins (their last was 2002)
@Peppers19781978 'Always win & compete'
You haven't won a playoff game in 6 years. You won't be doing anything this year. The team looks like dogshit.
Tomlin has BEEN good but it's pretty clear the game has passed him by.
Keep caping for him and you'll keep going nowhere fast
Florio doesn't seem to understand that McDaniels wasn't hired to rebuild. He was hired to take a playoff team to the next level. He wanted to rebuild.
The Patriot way requires coaches who can coach.
don't have 3-4 years 2 years max to win at least double digits or call the moving van
For once. I 100% agree with florio.
Rich Bisaccia should have been hired. Davis is clueless.
Same as the Raiders shouldn't have hired McDaniels, the Lions never should've hired Patricia. Giving him more time would've made a bad decision 100 times worse. And as a talent evaluator, Brad Holmes smokes Quinntricia.
It doesn't take 3-4 years to see that McDaniels, Joe Judge, or Matt Patricia are not NFL head coach material. Turning over the roster in 3-4.years will not make either of them a quality head coach..
How do you know? There is basically no data whatsoever.Shanahan started 10-22 as a SF head coach. BB has the Patriots in the 16th seed in the AFC. Coaches need talent and a winning organization as well. Neither LV, NYG or DET are.
Wrong! Jimmy Johnson was awful his first two years in league but they stuck to process and it worked after fourth season .
Raiders gonna raider. 😂
The Bill Belichck coaching tree is empty
Yeap , these guys that are good offense or defense coordinators don't mean that they are coaches !
The Patriot way is an illusion, and it's never been consistent with the culture of the Raiders. It's no different than the way that Shanahan went about things, which didn't work in LA.
I’ve said this before even Gruden was re-hired, hire HARBAUGH!!!!!!!!
Bisaccia shouldve had the job. Absolute disgrace
The Raiders aren't the Patriot Way which was the problem. Say goodbye to all the former patriots!
💯
Karma for not hiring Bisaccia after getting them through the catastrophe that was the 2021 season and into the playoffs.
Some analyst prob never watched raiders offense this year. Other than jacobs nothing seemed to be working. And you can kinda feel it, theyre missing that jelly. This was suppose to become an explosive offense when he was brought in. We should hired mike daniels🤦🏻♂️
You can't BUY that jelly. All these delusional people with too much money and power but no knowledge of what makes a team special.
Shouldve never forced gruden out. CURSED TEAM
Tom Brady in 3 years with the Buccaneers has more playoff wins than Bill Belichick in 10 years without and him AND his entire coaching tree combined. They have 4 playoff wins, he has 5. Brady had 32 wins with Tampa Bay in those 3 years. That is more than 9 of Belichick's assistants who became head coaches and one less than Mangini who won 33 games in 70 as a HC. With McDaniels being fired, it is a pretty safe bet nobody from Belichick's coaching tree ever gets another head coaching job unless someone is promoted from his staff when he retires or is fired...and that is very likely I would think McDaniels or O'Brien maybe...or Bill's goofy son Steve lol who resembles Sloth from The Goonies with a mullet. Right now Brian Daboll is the only Belichick assistant to currently be a head coach and he has a 11-13-1 record. He absurdly was given coach of the year last year and has proven in 2023 he is headed towards being another failure from Bill's coaching tree.
Tom Brady with Tampa Bay: 32-18, 5-2 playoffs, 1x Super Bowl Champion
Belichick without Tom Brady: 74-80, 1-2 playoffs (his lone playoff win was 1994 with the Browns)
Belichick's coaching tree in the NFL:
248-346, 3-7 in playoffs
Bill O'Brien: 52-48, 2-4 playoffs
Eric Mangini: 33-37, 0-1 playoffs
Romeo Crennel: 32-63, 0-0 playoffs
Jim Schwartz: 29-51, 0-1 playoffs
Brian Flores: 24-25, 0-0 playoffs
Josh McDaniels: 20-33, 0-0 playoffs
Nick Saban: 15-17, 0-0 playoffs
Matt Patricia: 13-29-1, 0-0 playoffs
Brian Daboll: 11-13-1, 1-1 playoffs (2022 coach of the year 🤣)
Joe Judge: 10-23, 0-0 playoffs
Al Groh: 9-7
Of course Nick Saban by far was the biggest and most successful name from his coaching tree but that was in college. Groh also was a better college coach.
Bring Gruden back IF Pierce doesnt right the ship!
They should’ve gotten Jacoby Brissett from Washington. I believe that’s a better option than Adian O’Connell.
Lol is this guy seriously saying they didn’t get enough time. Anyone with eyes can see Patricia and McDaniels are and always will be terrible head coaches.
Mike Florio has a Napoleon complex, he’s a tough listen
Stop saying Belichek tree, its the Tom Brady tree!
Love Mayock as an analyst but in no way understand the love for him as a GM. Just look at some of the personnel moves under his watch. Not just failed picks, but complete 1st round busts. Ruggs (1st), Arnette (1st), Bowden (3rd), Edwards (3rd), Muse (3rd) are all gone from the 2020 draft. Leatherwood (1st) from 2021 is also gone.
You’re forgetting the worst of them all. Clelin Ferrel.
Gruden took those players. Mayock was a puppet back then, nothing more. But Belichick isn´t much better in early rounds. Or the Seahawks were pretty bad after their LOB times drafting early.
Hated my Raiders hired him day one, he'd already proven himself to be a complete weasel. Broncos & Colts could testify to that.
Could we all, for the love of God, STOP pretending like a coach being from the Belichick coaching tree is a reason to hire someone? Not saying nobody from that system will ever have success, but we do now have a pretty decent data pool telling us that the Patriots imprint doesn't mean somebody will be a good/successful coach outside of the Pats (who also haven't been very good since Brady left).
Pierce is delusional if he thinks Davis will retain him.
Tom Brady fires his son josh mcdaniels.
Bring Gruden and Mayock back
Parkinsons Florio is his worst era.
Florio is one of the dumbest media personalities out there. I think it's valid to say McD shouldn't have been fired. But it's insane to say Davis wasn't patient enough and McD/Zeigler didn't have enough time to bring in their own players and fully implement their philosophy. Its like he hasn't watched the games.
Head coached need three to four years to change a culture. Jimmy Johnson was awful in Dallas in the beginning and I bet you would have fired him in his second season.
We know that
Raiders still
have terrible scouts that were awful
under Gruden picking players . Until scouting department is gutted the Raiders will be awful
at drafting players.
Perhaps the Raiders could benefit from a proper witch Dr ?
Mark Davis is such a bad executive
Do you like anyone on the Raiders
Foreseen *
🤣🤣🤣! Florio is such a 🌭. He's so high
Mike florio was that kid that never got picked to play sports. He sat down when he peed. It’s been confirmed
If right- what about the details that when McD couldn’t get Brady to play for him at the Raiders- he called back Carr & tried to get him back? If the 4 or 5 years to get the crucial new players in place and acting like soldiers- then he wouldn’t have tried Brady. He wouldn’t have tried getting back Carr.
And little soldier theory- do you remember Brady screaming his frickin head off at McD when he came off the field? Remember it happened pretty frequently. Remember sports casters saying how brady yells at him more than all other QB combined?
C’mon man. Smarten up. Haha
Josh is great at game planning & play calling but He doesn't have the Head Coaching Personality Needed to Win.
McDaniels went to the Rams after the Broncos fired him. He was their offensive coordinator, called the plays and was awful, got fired after 1 year. He has accomplished nothing without Brady.
You don't tear apart a team that went to the playoffs. That's just pure stupidity and incompetence. No Belichick assistants have been successful so McDoofus should never have been hired anyway. Now we truly are in a rebuild situation thanks to Mr Patriot Way.
That's why they never should have fired Del Rio. First coach to turn the team around since 02
Look at New England haven’t done anything since Tom left
The raiders get good coaches but they never keep them. Jack Del Rio finally gave the Raiders winning records and they threw him in the dumpster for John Gruden who got fired anyway for saying things 25 years ago. Then Rich Bissacia takes over and wins and they throw him in the dumpster for Josh Mcdaniels who started his own dumpster fire. Even Dennis Allen , they weren’t a playoff team, but he won more games than he should have with no QB and a lackluster depth chart. Be weary of coaches who had top talent, Adam gase, Matt Patricia, Nathaniel Hackett, and now josh Mcdaniels
Florio is a turncoat & was backing these clowns before! Come on man! No respect.
People who thought gruden and mayock werent trying or doing good are delusuonal and biased.
Not a leader of men. THAT's why he never should have been hired.
McDaniels sucks doing anything coaching outside of calling plays for Belicek
The belechick way? He only was blessed with a generational QB TB12 like Pittsburg back in the day TB12 breaking 75 years never making playoffs .
David Ziegler fired
I'd say trade Jimmy G for Kenny G, he can't be any worse of a QB.🥴🍻
One blows a horn, one simply blows.
No one New england coach has been successful. That way is over.🎉
Guys that won with Brady are not good coaches they listened to the greatest player ever that often gave input to better his career and not leaving his career in a coaches hand that’s why tom was so dominant in 2 minute drill/ end of game because it was all him and we go as i say not these coaches. They get looked at because you came from a winning culture like anyone couldn’t have won just letting tom takeover and Bill focus on the defense