I came out as atheist accidentally about a year before my mom died of cancer. Itvwas very hard to see her break down in tears and believe I was going to hell. I didnt say things to her like "look what god did to you " or "insert God bashing ". I stated that I could bo longer believe and gave some reasons, but they took it very offensively, which I expected. I just hated that it was a thought of stress for my mom in her lasts months alive. She didn't want to see my side of the story though , so alot of things were left unsaid. I'm trying to work through them. To all the atheists out there with similar stories to mine , remember, you arent alone.
I’m so sorry you experience this leftover pain but you did what was right for you and no matter what you are being authentic and genuine and that my friend is a true character trait you have! Best wishes moving forward I hope that during the last two years you have found some peace.
@@charlieclark2609 my dad died 11 years ago, he was only 48, and I was raised catholic. I am currently 33, be 34 years old in a month, I believe I have been an atheist my whole life, to begrudge of my Italian catholic family. The ONLY thing I struggle with is the fact that this is the ONLY life we KNOW we get and that I’ll never see my father again. I attribute EVERYTHING I know about being a good man, a good father, a decent human being to HIM. As cliche’ as it is to say, he was the BEST dad that EVER lived. I miss him dearly EVERYDAY. It sucks. I struggle sometimes with “what if’s”, and “regrets” BUT I am at peace regarding his death and accept the fact that I probably won’t ever see him again, although I’d give MY LIFE to do so again. I choose to live in REALITY, therefore I cannot believe in ANY god or a heaven or hell or anything else of the like. I’m glad to hear someone else like yourself, that has lost a parent can STILL hold to their atheism. I’m sure it’s a struggle because we ALL want to see our dead loved ones again but we know that’s not gonna happen. I commend you for your strength and courage. Hope u are doing well now, a few years later!!
I laugh when anyone starts their call with, "I think I can prove the existence of god". They usually can't make it 5 sentences without using some sort of fallacy or just saying something really stupid. He made it two sentences.
0:01:00? Dan 0:07:00 Jacob OK Arguments don't work for me; Ima be sneaky. 0:15:00 Hunter SC Agnostic vs atheist 0:26:13 Lee VA Atheists tiptoe around Islam. I'm a libertarian. But that Ground Zero Mosque is insensitive and should be condemned and forbidden. 0:41:18 Kevin NY "I believe I can prove the existence of God." 0:48:39 Hani Sydney, Australia Concern about deconversion leading to suicide. 0:57:18 Jordan Mom's beliefs comfort her.
Many people think that Heaven is better than the earth, which is very odd, considering that God made both. Surely, his building standards are consistent ? And for those of you who desire nice weather, you might be disappointed to know that it rains in Heaven. In Daniel 4:33 we learn that the dew of Heaven will make you wet. The dew of Heaven is also mentioned in Genesis 27:28 and 27:39 Sometimes the weather in Heaven is so bad, it rains bread, according to Exodus 16:4
It does seem to fit. "Same applies to you." How about this. Yes, they have identified a fallacy. And yes, it's TQ. Atheist's "you weren't there" indeed doesn't prove a positive point ...about the resurrection; it does make the point that the person is unwarranted in confidence in BS (Bible Stuff) equal to having seen it. It can be addressed by "exactly. Neither of us was there. So how do we investigate?" Since it's half of a "wash", it might also qualify as non sequitur?
I'm so angry at Matt and Martin for not setting up the correct comparison to Lee's false analogy. I would be against Fred Phelps building a church there, just as much as I would be against Osama Bin Laden building a mosque next door to ground zero. But both have the right to do so under the constitution. But I still don't understand how a house of worship could buy a prime (or any!) property and then not pay property taxes? I'm not gonna even look it up, I don't care, and it's ridiculous.
The other problem with all this talk about the ground zero mosque was that non-New Yorkers have absolutely no concept of how densely congested downtown Manhattan is. Between ground zero and a property just a few blocks away, there are literally twenty merely medium-sized buildings, not even skyscraping ones, each of which contains more people than the population of a small town. What may look on a map as if it's right next door can feel like miles away if you're familiar with how this city is composed. Very ironically, I never heard a single New Yorker object to it, and I worked at the top of One World Trade when it reopened.
Hello from April 2022. There's a lot of really old comments here. I Remember when everyone was worried about this mosque in New York, it all seems so insignificant now with what's happening in the world today. Those were the good old days. I wish that silly things like this were all we had to worry about today.
Life can obviously come from non-life, because life is chemistry and all chemistry is just molecules hitting each other and exchanging electrons (etc.). So (starting with amino acids and such that we know can be made from non-life), we can carefully arrange for them to hit each other in exactly the same way and in the same order as it happens in a living thing
re rNazi of ACA like matt bigot scumbag lies on trans issue and sis lol fuck off its straight just because you are gay you cant handle it dont think were going to change use words you want its why only Nazi sjw pc safe space waste of life ever use those words / this show has nothing to do with atheism its extremist far far left Nazi propaganda and matt is so bad that he has to brainwash kids from talk heathen since matts educated friends all told him get lost bigot like Dawkins and PZ. lol matt train wreck begging for cash like religious on patron then great man divorces wife for prostitute that many say he was seeing before the split . yup matt destroyed his carer he is nobody now days stuck in bubble of small ACA clowns no more debates or talks no universities no friends all because he went extremist left just look at bigot now days how is not racist to say fuck all white males just because matt thinks he is one does not mean its not sexist and racist he is waste of life now days i am happy he got aids he deserves it matt you are liar a scum bag a anti white male bigot who is so stupid you some how think if you hate your own people it does not make you bigot same if you hated a other race it makes worse you uncle tom . you are so depraved you have nerve to act like religious are wrong and bad and yet you are Nazi of aca and you divorced your wife for a fucking whore prostitute and Matt since your retard a call girl is a a prostitute and it is illegal in your state . fucking bruiting bitch weak little man who cant handle question and Matt you deserve to burn hell just for being a Nazi feminist scum bag and being a member of new Nazi of US the ACA This all just speculation on research i have dont might be might not be ? Matt you are so broken it hurts you live in sJw Nazi la la land you bs talk to children yes but spankings are needed at times and your utter fucking stupid remarks of what if every one would take action i am going to is so broken and you attack religious for use extremes its all you use or the best bank robbery one you sound like uneducated moron knows nothing about people and banks how they work . sorry not sorry this guy is waste of life now days of bad advice and turned into racist sexist Nazi bigot to him as long your nazi to what ever your own skin colour is and sex then its ok to be racist but funny how your carrier sank your show Joke now after you started your white privileged and if your not feminist your bigot speaks , great example Dawkins and pz you use to act cool using there names as friends well now you dont they hate you unfriended you Dawkins even called you far far left extremist doing more damage at times then religious and this why you were un invited from all events that were major ones and no more debates of top tier . all you can get is shit with other has been who cheat on wife get caught doing drugs in hotels like danish in newyork and your no better your minority most hated Nazi out there now days feminists in west are fucking hate group you sJw . trump the loser won because of you scummy people cry baby's and woke bs culture its why you guys aca are fucking low lives of world now days you lie daily on feminist issues when women are most spoiled class past 15 years, no evidence at all for your side but plenty showing this from court papers to government studies to pay roll from google showing women were getting paid more for being lazy doing less and how did they find this because the lazy women said men were over paid so they forced a audit of payroll nice wake up call to these sexist Nazi when it showed opposite men were under paid and worked way longer hours and holidays
SO WHAT if the ground-zero mosque is an intentional provocation? It's not a strategic military base, ffs. Why do otherwise reasonable people act like 10 year olds when it comes to cultures or countries they don't understand? Fear, I guess.
Jacob "I grew up in Christian culture" (so...'in western civilization?' okay...) "And I'm in college now, obviously" How the FUCK is that "obvious" from the first three sentences you said, Jake?
Like a comedian going out on stage in Denver and, wanting to get the crowd going, calls out "New Jersey! Is New Jersey Inna House!?" And getting complete silence, completely killing the energy in the room. Guess none o your BC homies has stopped by in 5 months. Maybe your focus is too narrow. How 'bout Thumbs up for Maryland! or, better... New England...Aaaanyone here from New England?
Kevin's premise "Life can only come from life" needs "or magic!" added to it. The "Law of Biogenesis" he cited may be based on Pasteur's experiments. Meat, left out in the air, seemed to "spontaneously generate" maggots. Non-cow life "springing forth" from (dead) cow meat. But then he noted that flies landed on the meat. So he covered the bowl with cheesecloth. Still exposed to air; no flies (variables) contaminating the experiment. Result: no maggots. And "dead cow doesn't spontaneously generate maggot life" led, somehow, to "we've categorically proven that life can only come from life".
while I dont have a problem with life arising by natural process, i disagree that it has been demonstrated in a lab. Chemistry associated with life has been achieved, but nothing along the lines of self-replicating systems or digestion or anything like that... Right?
Well, research into the way vesicles of fatty acids (which form naturally) looks promising. They have demonstrated how a very basic proto cell could form naturally. By proto cell we are basically dealing with micells of fatty acids which naturally form into spheres, trapping material inside, then "growing" when more micelles are present in the surrounding medium, causing complex molecules to leak into the vesicle, adding to the material inside, and then dividing due to sheer factors in the medium caused by simple hot/cold convection. After the division, sometimes the material inside the initial vesicle gets split between the two. Upon division, the vesicles automatically reform into spheres. They figured out that with phospholipids as a component of the vesicle wall, only certain material gets through the vesicle surface to the inside material. If the material inside does something useful by chance, like promoting pospholipid synthesis, you officially have a genetic material that will likely persist over random junk since the proto cells that have the beneficial material persist. Then a very basic form of natural selection takes over, driving an arms race for better genetic material that can perform more tasks beneficial to the overall cell. As time passes, the material inside proto cells get to run the gambit of possible configurations where beneficial changes become more popular than junk configurations as unproductive configurations actually become fuel for thew better configurations. They have demonstrated that phospholipid/fatty acid vesicles cannibalize basic fatty acid-only vesicles, all due to basic chemical processes. In would recommend a lecture available on UA-cam by Jack W. Szostak, PhD, on abiogenesis. He runs through the whole game, from forming complex molecules to pre-RNA and beyond, explaining honestly where the gaps remain in the research, but also showing just how much they already know. Kind of dry, the lectures, but he uses graphics and animations to explain a lot of the tricky stuff and even has photographs of a lot of the various stages I discussed.
If the god of the bible had been portrayed as a king instead of a God , he would be remembered as the most evil, mass murdering, tyrannical dictator of all time! Christians give the bible god a free pass because, they say, he is god the creator. I don't see the difference whether man or god. If his actions were evil or immoral, as the bible states, then he'd be just as guilty of being evil as any human committing the same deeds.
I find agnostic a redundant label, since literally nobody knows. It's a lot like saying you have a spine, a head, you have skin, heart, no shit, literally everybody does, just some act like they don't have (by heart I meant the organ).
I'm not so sure. I would suggest that tremendous wealth and poverty is much more divisive, especially when the health and social effects of the two are considered. Though I take your point that holding a world view that differs from that of others' can be alienating.
@@littleonion8242 I'd argue it depends on the individual. For example, a KKK member who is wealthy would still rather associate with poor white people than wealthy blacks. Hatred is the most divisive.
Arguments cannot prove or disprove the existence of God and it doesn't matter. What matters is deciding what to do with your time and money. If you follow the advice of Jesus, then you should give up everything. Money, family and all possessions. Try it.
I came out as atheist accidentally about a year before my mom died of cancer. Itvwas very hard to see her break down in tears and believe I was going to hell. I didnt say things to her like "look what god did to you " or "insert God bashing ". I stated that I could bo longer believe and gave some reasons, but they took it very offensively, which I expected. I just hated that it was a thought of stress for my mom in her lasts months alive. She didn't want to see my side of the story though , so alot of things were left unsaid. I'm trying to work through them. To all the atheists out there with similar stories to mine , remember, you arent alone.
Thank you for sharing and living honestly in a world that prefers comfortable lies.
I’m so sorry you experience this leftover pain but you did what was right for you and no matter what you are being authentic and genuine and that my friend is a true character trait you have! Best wishes moving forward I hope that during the last two years you have found some peace.
@@starlaminde8436 I have found some peace. Thanks for your kind words.
@@charlieclark2609 my dad died 11 years ago, he was only 48, and I was raised catholic. I am currently 33, be 34 years old in a month, I believe I have been an atheist my whole life, to begrudge of my Italian catholic family. The ONLY thing I struggle with is the fact that this is the ONLY life we KNOW we get and that I’ll never see my father again. I attribute EVERYTHING I know about being a good man, a good father, a decent human being to HIM. As cliche’ as it is to say, he was the BEST dad that EVER lived. I miss him dearly EVERYDAY. It sucks. I struggle sometimes with “what if’s”, and “regrets” BUT I am at peace regarding his death and accept the fact that I probably won’t ever see him again, although I’d give MY LIFE to do so again. I choose to live in REALITY, therefore I cannot believe in ANY god or a heaven or hell or anything else of the like. I’m glad to hear someone else like yourself, that has lost a parent can STILL hold to their atheism. I’m sure it’s a struggle because we ALL want to see our dead loved ones again but we know that’s not gonna happen. I commend you for your strength and courage. Hope u are doing well now, a few years later!!
I can't believe Kevin has been calling in for 10 years and still never has a good argument
I laugh when anyone starts their call with, "I think I can prove the existence of god". They usually can't make it 5 sentences without using some sort of fallacy or just saying something really stupid. He made it two sentences.
That always makes me crack up too.
"I think I can prove the existence of god,... have you ever heard of pascal's wager?"
Face palms all around!
They ALSO stutter and stammer and mumble "Wull..." or shout "Exactly!" without seeming to know what it means.
0:01:00? Dan
0:07:00 Jacob OK Arguments don't work for me; Ima be sneaky.
0:15:00 Hunter SC Agnostic vs atheist
0:26:13 Lee VA Atheists tiptoe around Islam. I'm a libertarian. But that Ground Zero Mosque is insensitive and should be condemned and forbidden.
0:41:18 Kevin NY "I believe I can prove the existence of God."
0:48:39 Hani Sydney, Australia Concern about deconversion leading to suicide.
0:57:18 Jordan Mom's beliefs comfort her.
Many people think that Heaven is better than the earth, which is very odd, considering that God made both. Surely, his building standards are consistent ? And for those of you who desire nice weather, you might be disappointed to know that it rains in Heaven. In Daniel 4:33 we learn that the dew of Heaven will make you wet. The dew of Heaven is also mentioned in Genesis 27:28 and 27:39
Sometimes the weather in Heaven is so bad, it rains bread, according to Exodus 16:4
🤣
@@jitendraisaacs3019
It took you three long years, just to crack a smile !
Many religious apologists seem to be laboring under the delusion that rationalize means “to make something rational”. It doesn’t.😂
41:38....First words out of the callers mouth is “I just want to say that I believe I can prove the existence of god.”
At 22:37, is it "Tu quoque fallacy", maybe?
It does seem to fit. "Same applies to you."
How about this. Yes, they have identified a fallacy. And yes, it's TQ. Atheist's "you weren't there" indeed doesn't prove a positive point
...about the resurrection; it does make the point that the person is unwarranted in confidence in BS (Bible Stuff) equal to having seen it.
It can be addressed by "exactly. Neither of us was there. So how do we investigate?"
Since it's half of a "wash", it might also qualify as non sequitur?
I'm so angry at Matt and Martin for not setting up the correct comparison to Lee's false analogy. I would be against Fred Phelps building a church there, just as much as I would be against Osama Bin Laden building a mosque next door to ground zero. But both have the right to do so under the constitution. But I still don't understand how a house of worship could buy a prime (or any!) property and then not pay property taxes? I'm not gonna even look it up, I don't care, and it's ridiculous.
Harden the fuck up, lady.
The other problem with all this talk about the ground zero mosque was that non-New Yorkers have absolutely no concept of how densely congested downtown Manhattan is. Between ground zero and a property just a few blocks away, there are literally twenty merely medium-sized buildings, not even skyscraping ones, each of which contains more people than the population of a small town. What may look on a map as if it's right next door can feel like miles away if you're familiar with how this city is composed. Very ironically, I never heard a single New Yorker object to it, and I worked at the top of One World Trade when it reopened.
Kevin's "done the research" on creationist YT videos
Hello from April 2022. There's a lot of really old comments here. I Remember when everyone was worried about this mosque in New York, it all seems so insignificant now with what's happening in the world today. Those were the good old days. I wish that silly things like this were all we had to worry about today.
You'd think that Kevin from New York N.Y. would get tired of being wrong.... But I guess not.
Jesus and he’s still going at it 4 years later. I’m impressed by his dedication.
28:00 here's Matt and Martin announcing their support of a global Islamic califate and their willingness to pay the Jizya.
Life can obviously come from non-life, because life is chemistry and all chemistry is just molecules hitting each other and exchanging electrons (etc.). So (starting with amino acids and such that we know can be made from non-life), we can carefully arrange for them to hit each other in exactly the same way and in the same order as it happens in a living thing
I've seen lots of black swans, they are native to Perth Western Australia.
+Christa Stempel
There must be some black and white hybrids. A bit like Nuns or Penguins - hard to spot on Zebra crossings.
+Adam Mangler funny!
+caveman Versace, well said mate!
who fucking cares
Just shocked that you think we give a shit about some so called celebrities who happen to come from your area loll.
Perfectly said/done Matt and Martin ★★★★★
Katalyzt
re rNazi of ACA like matt bigot scumbag lies on trans issue and sis lol fuck off its straight just because you are gay you cant handle it dont think were going to change use words you want its why only Nazi sjw pc safe space waste of life ever use those words / this show has nothing to do with atheism its extremist far far left Nazi propaganda and matt is so bad that he has to brainwash kids from talk heathen since matts educated friends all told him get lost bigot like Dawkins and PZ.
lol matt train wreck begging for cash like religious on patron then great man divorces wife for prostitute that many say he was seeing before the split . yup matt destroyed his carer he is nobody now days stuck in bubble of small ACA clowns no more debates or talks no universities no friends all because he went extremist left just look at bigot now days how is not racist to say fuck all white males just because matt thinks he is one does not mean its not sexist and racist he is waste of life now days i am happy he got aids he deserves it
matt you are liar a scum bag a anti white male bigot who is so stupid you some how think if you hate your own people it does not make you bigot same if you hated a other race it makes worse you uncle tom . you are so depraved you have nerve to act like religious are wrong and bad and yet you are Nazi of aca and you divorced your wife for a fucking whore prostitute and Matt since your retard a call girl is a a prostitute and it is illegal in your state .
fucking bruiting bitch weak little man who cant handle question and Matt you deserve to
burn hell just for being a Nazi feminist scum bag and being a member of
new Nazi of US the ACA
This all just speculation on research i have dont might be might not be ?
Matt you are so broken it hurts you live in sJw Nazi la la land you bs
talk to children yes but spankings are needed at times and your utter
fucking stupid remarks of what if every one would take action i am going
to is so broken and you attack religious for use extremes its all you
use or the best bank robbery one you sound like uneducated moron knows
nothing about people and banks how they work . sorry not sorry this guy
is waste of life now days of bad advice and turned into racist sexist
Nazi bigot to him as long your nazi to what ever your own skin colour is
and sex then its ok to be racist but funny how your carrier sank your
show Joke now after you started your white privileged and if your not
feminist your bigot speaks , great example Dawkins and pz you use to act
cool using there names as friends well now you dont they hate you
unfriended you Dawkins even called you far far left extremist doing more
damage at times then religious and this why you were un invited from
all events that were major ones and no more debates of top tier . all
you can get is shit with other has been who cheat on wife get caught
doing drugs in hotels like danish in newyork and your no better your
minority most hated Nazi out there now days feminists in west are
fucking hate group you sJw .
trump the loser won because of you scummy people cry baby's and woke
bs culture its why you guys aca are fucking low lives of world now days
you lie daily on feminist issues when women are most spoiled class past
15 years, no evidence at all for your side but plenty showing this
from court papers to government studies to pay roll from google showing
women were getting paid more for being lazy doing less and how did they
find this because the lazy women said men were over paid so they forced
a audit of payroll nice wake up call to these sexist Nazi when it
showed opposite men were under paid and worked way longer hours and
holidays
Kevin thinks there was life before life to create life?
What does Matt's shirt mean?
Fuck hate!!
I think he has a strong dislike for a strong dislike.
ummm, Jacob lives exactly where i live... lol.
SO WHAT if the ground-zero mosque is an intentional provocation? It's not a strategic military base, ffs. Why do otherwise reasonable people act like 10 year olds when it comes to cultures or countries they don't understand? Fear, I guess.
aaa the Lee call was kind of view-changing for me.
@Phelan you're an idiot. Regressive pussy.
Jacob "I grew up in Christian culture" (so...'in western civilization?' okay...)
"And I'm in college now, obviously" How the FUCK is that "obvious" from the first three sentences you said, Jake?
Thumbs up for Baltimore County!
Like a comedian going out on stage in Denver and, wanting to get the crowd going, calls out "New Jersey! Is New Jersey Inna House!?" And getting complete silence, completely killing the energy in the room.
Guess none o your BC homies has stopped by in 5 months. Maybe your focus is too narrow. How 'bout
Thumbs up for Maryland! or, better... New England...Aaaanyone here from New England?
Just noting. 6 years, still no thumbs. Data. Not diss.
@@brucebaker810 and... so? I don't go fishing for likes with my comments, but I guess you do...
@@brucebaker810 I see a thumbs up.. besides, What’s yer point??
Kevin's premise "Life can only come from life" needs "or magic!" added to it.
The "Law of Biogenesis" he cited may be based on Pasteur's experiments. Meat, left out in the air, seemed to "spontaneously generate" maggots. Non-cow life "springing forth" from (dead) cow meat. But then he noted that flies landed on the meat. So he covered the bowl with cheesecloth. Still exposed to air; no flies (variables) contaminating the experiment.
Result: no maggots. And "dead cow doesn't spontaneously generate maggot life" led, somehow, to "we've categorically proven that life can only come from life".
OMFG i just noticed why in the holy fuck is he wearing a fckh8 shirt?
Cause hate sucks?
Xarai holy shit why the fuck is THAT shirt getting THIS response from you?
Islamism is by definition political Islam.
while I dont have a problem with life arising by natural process, i disagree that it has been demonstrated in a lab.
Chemistry associated with life has been achieved, but nothing along the lines of self-replicating systems or digestion or anything like that...
Right?
No.
Well, research into the way vesicles of fatty acids (which form naturally) looks promising. They have demonstrated how a very basic proto cell could form naturally. By proto cell we are basically dealing with micells of fatty acids which naturally form into spheres, trapping material inside, then "growing" when more micelles are present in the surrounding medium, causing complex molecules to leak into the vesicle, adding to the material inside, and then dividing due to sheer factors in the medium caused by simple hot/cold convection. After the division, sometimes the material inside the initial vesicle gets split between the two. Upon division, the vesicles automatically reform into spheres. They figured out that with phospholipids as a component of the vesicle wall, only certain material gets through the vesicle surface to the inside material. If the material inside does something useful by chance, like promoting pospholipid synthesis, you officially have a genetic material that will likely persist over random junk since the proto cells that have the beneficial material persist. Then a very basic form of natural selection takes over, driving an arms race for better genetic material that can perform more tasks beneficial to the overall cell. As time passes, the material inside proto cells get to run the gambit of possible configurations where beneficial changes become more popular than junk configurations as unproductive configurations actually become fuel for thew better configurations. They have demonstrated that phospholipid/fatty acid vesicles cannibalize basic fatty acid-only vesicles, all due to basic chemical processes. In would recommend a lecture available on UA-cam by Jack W. Szostak, PhD, on abiogenesis. He runs through the whole game, from forming complex molecules to pre-RNA and beyond, explaining honestly where the gaps remain in the research, but also showing just how much they already know. Kind of dry, the lectures, but he uses graphics and animations to explain a lot of the tricky stuff and even has photographs of a lot of the various stages I discussed.
Gregory Dearth molbio.mgh.Harvard.edu/szostakweb/ is a good place to start if watching long, complex lectures isn't your idea of a good time.
If the god of the bible had been portrayed as a king instead of a God , he would be remembered as the most evil, mass murdering, tyrannical dictator of all time! Christians give the bible god a free pass because, they say, he is god the creator. I don't see the difference whether man or god. If his actions were evil or immoral, as the bible states, then he'd be just as guilty of being evil as any human committing the same deeds.
Kill Zone 2
23min... tu quoque fallacy
The yelling was scary.
I find agnostic a redundant label, since literally nobody knows. It's a lot like saying you have a spine, a head, you have skin, heart, no shit, literally everybody does, just some act like they don't have (by heart I meant the organ).
Lmfao
There is no greater division between people than theist and atheist.
I'm not so sure. I would suggest that tremendous wealth and poverty is much more divisive, especially when the health and social effects of the two are considered. Though I take your point that holding a world view that differs from that of others' can be alienating.
@@littleonion8242 I'd argue it depends on the individual. For example, a KKK member who is wealthy would still rather associate with poor white people than wealthy blacks. Hatred is the most divisive.
Arguments cannot prove or disprove the existence of God and it doesn't matter.
What matters is deciding what to do with your time and money.
If you follow the advice of Jesus, then you should give up everything.
Money, family and all possessions. Try it.