I have spent about 650 days in the last 7 years hiking the high Sierra which sports some of the most beautiful scenery in the world and I am a stronger Atheist than ever.
I live in the (very) High Sierra and I'm afraid... I agree with you. 💯 %. Why do thiests believe? Try looking to Russia's experiment with trying to stamp out religion. In 75 years of trying like mad ...using every argument known to man...the Marxists-Leninist-Stalinists couldn't come close to wiping out believers beliefs. Try as we may... we will probably never be able to achieve a 50% of the population conversion to reality. To a believer common sense leads them to spirits in the sky. To those of us who are products of the Age of Enlightenment or ...as merely products of our genes... common sense leads us to the truth. The obvious truth. But the same common sense will never offer an explanation for half the population opting for such an illogical conclusion when faced with the same basic facts.
I have listened to quite a few of these, now. What seems evident is that most people who call in, call in, not to discuss, but to tell the hosts how wrong THEY are.
I suffer from the "second hand smoke" of religion, so to speak. Both my parents are atheists, but as a child, naturally I spent most of my time in school. During my formative years I was exposed to many poisoned minds, and as a result of religion always getting a pass, I acquired a fear of Hell that persists to this day. I'm ashamed of this, but it is what it is.
ghostofdayinperson But by that same logic you could say that I was force fed the "5 packs a day" of religion. It's a stupidly hyperbolic analogy on account of the fact that second hand smoke can do permanent and irreversible damage to a person's lungs, where as the concept of hell is a dumb horror story invented to make kids behave which does not coat your lungs with toxic substances. My point is that if you are so gripped with fear on account of an internally inconsistent and just plain bat shit crazy idea, maybe the idea isn't entirely to blame for that.
I believe that one of the reasons for so many leaving the "fold" is the age of information. Never before has information been so easy to access. The internet has opened a whole new world for me anyway. Now if I have a question about the bible, all I have to do is to Google it. I found your program which has helped me tremendously! Information is power, and with this power comes open eyes.
I just love Don. He carries himself with such dignified humility. He speaks calmly and kindly, and when corrected by other hosts, he replies with such responses as, "Thank you, that's helpful" or, "yes, that's a better way of putting it." Such a contrast to so many theists when they are shown to be in error.
Hi ghost of day in person, age of universe accordin to bible 6,019 years, real age of universe 13.7 billion, conclusion it's a novel obviously...now repeat after me it don't mean nothing not a thing...
NOTHING living can come from non-living, absolutely ZERO exceptions. Except for the exception of my invisible sky wizard. /theist logicing like a boss.
Oh I don't know. I heard two worms near the cemetery chatting this week. They were getting rather romantic - One said:- "Let's go and make love in dead Ernest".
Indeed, there are and always have been many divisions within 'Christianity', I remember back when I used to be a believer, there were as many arguments among my fellow Christians as there were between them all and non-believers or people who professed other faiths not Christian base, I wouldn't say that these divisions alone were the reason for me eventually deciding to leave it altogether but they would have been no doubt one of the many factors that led me to eventually deciding that the whole thing was a load of complete nonsense, it was just the way that there seemed to be so much confusion over what the Bible meant in what it said and what Jesus meant in what he said etc that it became quite obvious that this mess and ambiguity was actually just a manifestation of the fact that it was a man made system of belief that I was following rather than one that came from a higher being, even though they try to hide it, you can tell that different preachers disagree with each other, for example, look at the way that Nathan Morris preaches and what he says compared with what Creflo Dollar teaches, they are wide apart and yet they're reading from the same Bible, Creflo says things that the preachers I used to know, who were more like Nathan would have fainted on hearing, no way would they have excepted Creflo's preaching as the real Gospel, he is basically telling people... 'it doesn't matter what you do.....you're still right with God because of Jesus's sacrifice...you just have to believe and receive and you'll be saved'....sounds great but what about all this other stuff Jesus was supposed to have said such as 'unless your righteousness exceeds the Pharisees and the Scribes you shall not get into the Kingdom of God' etc?, how does that fit into 'you're already right because of Jesus's sacrifice and all you have to do is believe' then?, I mean, I presume he died for the Pharisees too right?, so how are they then the bench mark by which we're all condemned if we fall short of it? This and many other things Jesus said is in total conflict with the 'Gospel according to Creflo' and others like him, the one thing that all these different Christians have in common is that they have all failed to meet the burden of proof for their claims so I have chosen not to believe any of them, same goes for all the other religions, ways of life or whatever they prefer to call their system of belief, they've still been so far unsuccessful in indisputably verifying any of their supernatural claims affiliated with their beliefs, sure I've heard some reasonably good arguments for them but the problem is that the nature of this is such that good arguments aren't enough, it's not like politics, this is something that is supposed to be on a higher level than the secular so the evidence needs to be on a higher level than the secular, supernatural claims must meet a supernatural standard of proof, show me for example the Christian who can feed five thousand people with two fishes and four loaves without the use of any kind of trickery, if Jesus of the Bible is real and he's really in Christians then they should be able to do all that and more, Fundamentalists are known to try some of the things Jesus mentioned would be signs such as drinking poison and lifting poisonous snakes without being harmed, bitten etc and they've been failing and causing a lot of danger and harm to themselves, people have died trying these things which actually only goes to tell me they're believing in something that doesn't work.
Isn't religion just great ? Doesn't the Spirit move you ? Command a mountain to remove and cast itself into the sea and it will hear and obey you. Mind you, it only works in cartoons, which unfortunately is not the real world.
Haven't been to a church service in years but when I see video of some of the "modern" services, I'm just amazed that some of these churches have so blatantly put themselves into the "entertainment" category. No wonder people leave, when they have new life experiences and are no longer entertained by this. I think the "positive message" and "personal relationship with Jesus" church stuff is also just a way to keep people hooked in. As DJT would tweet, "Sad!"
I'm part Anatolian. I guess the best way to say it is like halfway between Greek and Turkish. It's Greek but the area is in Turkey and there's a lot of interbreeding. Anyway, my father is Anatolian and Jewish so I did grow up connected to the Greek Orthodox Church. It's very much pushed on you as a cultural obligation. You're supposed to be proud to be Greek and consider Greeks superior, they want you not to treat non-Greeks as well as you'd treat a Greek, etc. Oh, and racism is mandatory. You're supposed to HATE Turks. Anatolians are supposed to say we only have Turkish DNA because our ancestors were raped by Turks. Most of them could care less about the religious thing but the cultural deal was indoctrinated into them so it's like our version of Catholic guilt. If you don't get married in a Greek church using made up Greek names (yes, seriously) and baptize your kids you're a "self hating Greek." And you MUST love anything Greek. Did you think My Big Fat Greek Wedding was overrated and just mediocre? Too bad. You must pretend you LOVED it. Favorite movie of all time. It's just a whole bizarre thing.
Jed Clampett No, Jed, we won't excuse you while you troll about something that they said on another video - or at all, for that matter. But if you must troll, at least do so on the page where the video resides.
Why are theists so angry? What happened to them in their first 2 years, before they started believing in a God that caused them to turn away from reality? Did someone in reality hurt them in some way?
Brammy007a Dude. (Just a guess. Your generic avatar looks like a dude.) Read it again. I was doing a mirror image of a very common Christian whine about atheists. It`s called wit. Sheesh. I understand ``Atheist`` pretty well. I`ve been one for over 50 years.
Michael Dennis Read it again. You and I are on the same side. But second time someone thought otherwise and said so. Wrong impression once: fault could be either side. Second time? OK, its me being unclear.
When we talk about "feeling" God? Isn't another feeling we can't explain "Love"? And if your really compare those two inside yourself? Isn't it very close, or even EXACTLY the same feeling? Personlly I've experienced both these "feelings" in different times while thinking God AND for another person, to the extreme point of my physical heart jumping out of my chest. Over my life, "Now" I don't confuse those definitions anymore, and I don't attribute Love to be some supernatural phenomena. It is simply the Love I experience to any degree for everything in this entire universe. My atheism now uncovers answers to serious physical dilemas, and I experience my heart jumping out of my chest all the time without fail. The knowledge one gains/uncovers over time gets exponentially greater as real questions get actual answers instead of settling for "magic did it". Life is wonderous and amazing, and I don't need a God to be the answer that stifles my yearning for knowledge and making life better and better day after day. Gr8! Peace ☮💜
I just wish parents allow their children to use their critical faculties, reason and logic instead of indoctrinating them. It is purely due to childhood indoctrination that religion s are still here.
+Russ Broda. I used to have unwavering faith in the UF Pixies. But lately I've been hearing that their power is diminishing. They need MORE followers, or their power will diminish and their protection of us will ebb away. Apparently money would also help. Lots and lots of money. Farting universes requires a pretty expensive diet. So: belief energy. And money. If you can only spare one of those...make it the money.
I don't think James from New Jersey KNOWS any "big words". Unless his sister is actually slower than him, in which case I'm sure walking and breathing at the same time would be a herculean challenge.
FIRST, I USE ALL CAPS AS I AM 879 AND I CAN SEE WHAT I WRITE EASIER. SECOND NO PRINTED WORD CAN MAKE ANY SOUND, MUCH LESS A LOUD ONE THIRD, NO ONE IS FORCED TO READ ANY OF THE THINGS I POST! DUH!!
If the only child abuse that should be recognized as such should be the most dire forms then should the only crimes be the most dire? Keep murder and rape on the books but let's not water "crime" down with petty things like theft?
Closed Minded: Not open and unwilling to entertain new information. The person who has asserted the conclusion is the person who in no longer looking for an answer. This is the person who is closed minded. I am closed minded about the sun being hot. YOu will not convince me that it is cold, Of the religious who have it all figured out, "God done it." and the Atheists or scientists who admit, "we just don't know." who is obviously the more closed minded?
The sun being hot is demonstrable. Are gods observable, or demonstrable? Theism is a claim that something (a god) exists - is that claimed-yet-unproven existence observed and proven to be real? That is the question that theists need to answer honestly.
I considered myself an Atheist at one point and watched your Program... then I saw your Programming and pushing Pro Choice down our throats..especially you Jen. I believe choice should be available but a matter dependent on circumstances and not a convenient way to get rid of a problem you created without the slightest forethought . I now just call myself a non believer as it is better to avoid all labels...for once you have one then people try to control you...
AS A GUY WHO HAS BEEN AN AGNOSTIC ATHEIST ACTIVIST FOR OVER 50 YEARS, THE GREAT INCREASE IN ATHEISTS AND ATHEISTS GROUPS IS AN HEART WARMING THING FOR ME. IT MAKES ME EXCEEDINGLY HAPPY! AND OF COURSE, IF MORE ATHEISTS WOULD JOIN AND SUPPORT AS MANY OF THE LEADING ATHEIST GROUPS AS THEY CAN AFFORD TO, OUR PATH TO TRUE RELIGIOUS FREEDOM IN THE USA MUCH MORE QUICKLY!! SO ATHEISTS IF YOU ARE NOT A PUES PAYING MEMBER OF AT LEAST ONE ATHEIST GROUP, PLEASE JOIN & SUPPORT AT LEAST ONE OF THEM. THANK YOU!!!
I struggled with that too until I realized the concept of hell fails on many levels. First, consider the idea of indoctrination: if you were never exposed to religion your entire life and someone were to approach you about it now, how convinced would you be? Probably not very. That's why you want to get people at a young age, while they're still impressionable AND you want to sell that bullshit hard with some hellfire and brimstone; of course you're going to accept it, especially if everyone within your sphere of influence--young and old alike--already accept it. Second, look at it from a scientific standpoint: how can ANY living person honestly claim to have knowledge of a place that only the dead can see? Also, is hell a spiritual place or a physical place? If it's a physical place then again, where's the evidence for it? It can't be "down there" as the religious claim, because we already know what's "down there", namely molten lava and that kind of thing. If it's a spiritual place then guess what? Fire is an actual PHYSICAL chemical reaction that requires heat, fuel and oxygen. Even if ghosts are real (just bear with me here), then if what we assume about them is correct, then casting one into a "lake of fire" won't burn it any more than spraying one with a hose would make it wet. Ghosts are supposedly incorporeal, devoid of any physical matter or nervous system, meaning fire likely wouldn't cause one any pain. Furthermore, would a "loving god" really send anyone to a hell for eternity as punishment for finite crimes? Why would an "all-knowing" god even create a being like satan, a being that would only cross him and get cast out? I could go on and on, but I think--I hope--that what I've left you with here at least gives you pause, and hopefully, some peace of mind. :)
Lindsey Crabtree Thanks. Glad I could help out. I have a good friend who has over a thousand videos posted on atheism that you might also want to check out. Her channel is BionicDance. She was the one responsible for my deconversion.
lf you don't believe in god then there would not be a hell, so enjoy your life knowing you have lots of time to rack up a bunch of sin and if you ever change your mind, rules are, confess on your deathbed and have the best of both worlds.
Judging by your comment, I'd say it's obvious you either didn't read mine, or read it without giving it the least amount of thought. Of course, in ANY religion, thought tends to be the enemy, especially critical thought.
I'd like a law passed that you may raise your child in your chosen religion, BUT, you must, on a regular basis, explain that there are other religions and touch on those beliefs. It's fine to say this is what we believe, but, hey other people believe this or that. Spiritual paths or Atheism must be chosen, not forced.
The lady that Matt referred to as LDS but isn't sounds like she is attempting an ecumenical approach to religion. I have met a few people like that serving as an LDS missionary.
Ok, seriously... Parthenogenesis? I meen, I know what it meens... but I've studied biology! I bet, that nobody in my circle of friends (who hasn't studied with me) knows what this word meens, let alone just pulling it out of a heat in a conversation like that! And I know, many people here will now tell me how smart they are, and that they know it... But I think we really have to appriciate the fact, that these guys are extremly well educated, even in areas where it goes far beyond just "common knowledge".
Freddy Scissorhands The thing is.. Simple things like not understanding a word are quite literally 5 minutes if not less, and a google search away from knowing what it means-- even broad scientific topics like Evolution. The fact of the matter is that some people don't need to know what Parthenogenesis, or Abiogenesis means to pretend to know pretend that it isn't true. There are people who come to argue for the "falsity" of Evolution without even having a 9th grader understand of what it actually means, and they don't want to know what it means, they don't care-- and they won't.
Cj Casey That would be due to the fact he is not a famous or recognised musician but IS an extremely talented one, he has a youtube channel, just type his name in.
Ok... slight mistake that I caught. "So even science can be child abuse" No. Teaching in a set way can be child abuse. 'What' you teach, in the case of science, is not the problem. 'What' you teach in the case of religion is the problem, when teaching religion. The hosts... missed this. Though they rightly took it to pointing out important issues around this. Targeting the problems wherever they are. Pointing out that religion somehow gets a asinine free pass on bullshit. I agree with that stuff as well.
Which came first the chicken or the egg? The egg. T-Rex's laid eggs, the archeopteryx was a dinosaur, and laid eggs like all dinosaurs, then evolved into birds, so eggs predated chickens by 65 million years.
+ghostofdayinperson I get where you're coming from. But I was raised in a strict Evangelical home and got the 100-proof stuff. I appreciate what you're saying. At least you got the light beer version. Count yourself lucky. I hope you find peace. Take care.
philip verso Scotch is a drink. Not a nationality. Either way, this guy definitely wasn't Scottish. He's English. Scottish and English accents aren't anything alike. In fact...not sure his accent is quite English either. He's got a little lilt going on there that sounds foreign. Ah, he says he's Greek, in fact. Right there in the call.
@@Meansnare Oi! Fook yer taekin boot ye junkie fook? Ahll shoove yer ead up intae yer arse, sence ya like taekin shite so. Haha I'm just messing with ya, and I agree, it's not a sexy dialect, but it is fucking fun.
arguing with atheist is like playing chess with the pigeon. No matter how good your argument may be, the bird will shit on the board and then strut around as if it won the argument
+Michael Dennis arguing with a theist is like playing chess with the pigeon. No matter how good your argument may be, the bird will shit on the board and then strut around as if it won the argument.
The 'won't you listen to reason' intro really *** me off that I have to listen to that mediocre ** before I can get to listen to the sensible show hosts.
kragseven Right: except I always seem to 'click' a little too far ahead and miss the start of the show. I just find that particular intro irritating, that's all there is to it really.
Elr James I actually really enjoy this song, and have went and bought Bryan Steekma's stuff because of it. ANYONE who claims that music is anything less than good, has to provide musical theory into it - because otherwise it's all opinion. Being of an open mind I listen to most genres and like more than just one kind of music obviously. Having an "open mind" is kind of the whole point of their show, and if you hear the whole song it's really good.
Trynedge Sure: but I didn't claim it was "less than good", I just mentioned I found it an irritatingly repetitive intro for the Show, which is presumably why others are now on.
ok, but when you dont take it in a metaphorical, metaphysical way, shouldnt the answer be evolution, cause either egg, or chicken doesnt demonstrate the complexity thats behind the question?
Shane Wilson btw, thats what wiki says: From a modern scientific perspective, the chicken came first because the genetic recombination that produced the first "chicken" (though that may be an arbitrary definition in a breeding population undergoing speciation) occurred in germ-line cells in a non-chicken ancestor
Sadly, I was just looking at recent PEW polling data on the future of religion. I hope they are wrong, but based on current trends in proselytizing and birth rates, they predict that non-believers will increase in the west (YEA!), but that, overall, the percentage of non-believers world wide will be lower in the future. (boo!)
Shadow Chaser WE weren't "influenced by our culture" either, but we changed. Our culture is the result of change with NO example to look at. Why should we assume that people with an example will do worse than people with no example?
I just mean I feel they are less likely to change in as significant a capacity as we are. It may be because of much more education on evolution and spokes persons standing up and waking people up. I hope you are right and that they will change over the next few decades.
I agree nothing living came from nothing.. Atheist are absurd..I also think hanging up on him was not fair..When you only talk to people who think like you you will always seem right..
So...you...what...Only respect people that read from books, and have other people tell them what is in those books? Or how to read what's in the books? Aretardsayswhat?
Tyler Campbell Has your church (or you) proved and observed the one god you believe in, amongst the many other claimed yet unproven gods, is actually real and demonstrable?
@@luckymehehe5249 you don't accept the evidence you see everyday..Your self proclaimed intelligence won't let you see the forest because of the trees..
Going to catholic school certainly got me over religion. I'm a total skeptic.
+TigR 5hark Atheists have degrees of "bestness"?
How so
@sagerider2, samesies
The first caller is at 20:50. You're welcome.
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You are much appreciate, kind sir.
There's nobility in random acts of kindness. Much obliged.
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Thank fuck!
I have spent about 650 days in the last 7 years hiking the high Sierra which sports some of the most beautiful scenery in the world and I am a stronger Atheist than ever.
I live in the (very) High Sierra and I'm afraid... I agree with you. 💯 %. Why do thiests believe? Try looking to Russia's experiment with trying to stamp out religion. In 75 years of trying like mad ...using every argument known to man...the Marxists-Leninist-Stalinists couldn't come close to wiping out believers beliefs. Try as we may... we will probably never be able to achieve a 50% of the population conversion to reality. To a believer common sense leads them to spirits in the sky. To those of us who are products of the Age of Enlightenment or ...as merely products of our genes... common sense leads us to the truth. The obvious truth. But the same common sense will never offer an explanation for half the population opting for such an illogical conclusion when faced with the same basic facts.
Awesome! I am a big hiker. I live in the east and hike the AT and areas around the Appalachian mountains. Oh! I am a strong atheist too.
I have listened to quite a few of these, now. What seems evident is that most people who call in, call in, not to discuss, but to tell the hosts how wrong THEY are.
I suffer from the "second hand smoke" of religion, so to speak. Both my parents are atheists, but as a child, naturally I spent most of my time in school. During my formative years I was exposed to many poisoned minds, and as a result of religion always getting a pass, I acquired a fear of Hell that persists to this day. I'm ashamed of this, but it is what it is.
Oh get over yourself. Just decide whether or not you believe in that silly shit.
Beach Fetus Douchebag.
It's more than just hearing "insane shit." I mentioned second hand smoke as an analogy for a good reason. Think about it.
ghostofdayinperson But by that same logic you could say that I was force fed the "5 packs a day" of religion. It's a stupidly hyperbolic analogy on account of the fact that second hand smoke can do permanent and irreversible damage to a person's lungs, where as the concept of hell is a dumb horror story invented to make kids behave which does not coat your lungs with toxic substances. My point is that if you are so gripped with fear on account of an internally inconsistent and just plain bat shit crazy idea, maybe the idea isn't entirely to blame for that.
Religion does great damage to the brain. If left untreated, the damage can be permanent. Why are you so angry?
Thanks again for uploading so much of the Atheist Experience, very much appreciated.
I believe that one of the reasons for so many leaving the "fold" is the age of information. Never before has information been so easy to access. The internet has opened a whole new world for me anyway. Now if I have a question about the bible, all I have to do is to Google it. I found your program which has helped me tremendously! Information is power, and with this power comes open eyes.
I agree! Thank you! It's great to listen to during the day while doing other things. It really brightens my day, so thanks!
I like all the hosts. Don Baker is great fun to watch - always very organized, composed, and never at a loss.
I just love Don. He carries himself with such dignified humility. He speaks calmly and kindly, and when corrected by other hosts, he replies with such responses as, "Thank you, that's helpful" or, "yes, that's a better way of putting it." Such a contrast to so many theists when they are shown to be in error.
Wow I find him arrogant and belittling. He is my least favorite host.
And let's not forget than stupendous chuckle
Don is David Letterman's stunt double.
Hi ghost of day in person, age of universe accordin to bible 6,019 years, real age of universe 13.7 billion, conclusion it's a novel obviously...now repeat after me it don't mean nothing not a thing...
NOTHING living can come from non-living, absolutely ZERO exceptions.
Except for the exception of my invisible sky wizard.
/theist logicing like a boss.
Oh I don't know. I heard two worms near the cemetery chatting this week. They were getting rather romantic - One said:- "Let's go and make love in dead Ernest".
that is not true..people eat cows, cows eat grass, but grass lives on minerals an water an sunshine all non-living things.
Bobby Duckett ignorance fallacy
Indeed, there are and always have been many divisions within 'Christianity', I remember back when I used to be a believer, there were as many arguments among my fellow Christians as there were between them all and non-believers or people who professed other faiths not Christian base, I wouldn't say that these divisions alone were the reason for me eventually deciding to leave it altogether but they would have been no doubt one of the many factors that led me to eventually deciding that the whole thing was a load of complete nonsense, it was just the way that there seemed to be so much confusion over what the Bible meant in what it said and what Jesus meant in what he said etc that it became quite obvious that this mess and ambiguity was actually just a manifestation of the fact that it was a man made system of belief that I was following rather than one that came from a higher being, even though they try to hide it, you can tell that different preachers disagree with each other, for example, look at the way that Nathan Morris preaches and what he says compared with what Creflo Dollar teaches, they are wide apart and yet they're reading from the same Bible, Creflo says things that the preachers I used to know, who were more like Nathan would have fainted on hearing, no way would they have excepted Creflo's preaching as the real Gospel, he is basically telling people... 'it doesn't matter what you do.....you're still right with God because of Jesus's sacrifice...you just have to believe and receive and you'll be saved'....sounds great but what about all this other stuff Jesus was supposed to have said such as 'unless your righteousness exceeds the Pharisees and the Scribes you shall not get into the Kingdom of God' etc?, how does that fit into 'you're already right because of Jesus's sacrifice and all you have to do is believe' then?, I mean, I presume he died for the Pharisees too right?, so how are they then the bench mark by which we're all condemned if we fall short of it?
This and many other things Jesus said is in total conflict with the 'Gospel according to Creflo' and others like him, the one thing that all these different Christians have in common is that they have all failed to meet the burden of proof for their claims so I have chosen not to believe any of them, same goes for all the other religions, ways of life or whatever they prefer to call their system of belief, they've still been so far unsuccessful in indisputably verifying any of their supernatural claims affiliated with their beliefs, sure I've heard some reasonably good arguments for them but the problem is that the nature of this is such that good arguments aren't enough, it's not like politics, this is something that is supposed to be on a higher level than the secular so the evidence needs to be on a higher level than the secular, supernatural claims must meet a supernatural standard of proof, show me for example the Christian who can feed five thousand people with two fishes and four loaves without the use of any kind of trickery, if Jesus of the Bible is real and he's really in Christians then they should be able to do all that and more, Fundamentalists are known to try some of the things Jesus mentioned would be signs such as drinking poison and lifting poisonous snakes without being harmed, bitten etc and they've been failing and causing a lot of danger and harm to themselves, people have died trying these things which actually only goes to tell me they're believing in something that doesn't work.
John Cashin Thank you for sharing, John. I enjoyed reading your story. Welcome to the ranks of the rational! :)
Isn't religion just great ?
Doesn't the Spirit move you ?
Command a mountain to remove and cast itself into the sea and it will hear and obey you.
Mind you, it only works in cartoons, which unfortunately is not the real world.
Haven't been to a church service in years but when I see video of some of the "modern" services, I'm just amazed that some of these churches have so blatantly put themselves into the "entertainment" category. No wonder people leave, when they have new life experiences and are no longer entertained by this. I think the "positive message" and "personal relationship with Jesus" church stuff is also just a way to keep people hooked in. As DJT would tweet, "Sad!"
I'm part Anatolian. I guess the best way to say it is like halfway between Greek and Turkish. It's Greek but the area is in Turkey and there's a lot of interbreeding. Anyway, my father is Anatolian and Jewish so I did grow up connected to the Greek Orthodox Church. It's very much pushed on you as a cultural obligation. You're supposed to be proud to be Greek and consider Greeks superior, they want you not to treat non-Greeks as well as you'd treat a Greek, etc. Oh, and racism is mandatory. You're supposed to HATE Turks. Anatolians are supposed to say we only have Turkish DNA because our ancestors were raped by Turks. Most of them could care less about the religious thing but the cultural deal was indoctrinated into them so it's like our version of Catholic guilt. If you don't get married in a Greek church using made up Greek names (yes, seriously) and baptize your kids you're a "self hating Greek." And you MUST love anything Greek. Did you think My Big Fat Greek Wedding was overrated and just mediocre? Too bad. You must pretend you LOVED it. Favorite movie of all time. It's just a whole bizarre thing.
Emotional abuse against children is abuse, its usually not a crime however, so the "you should stick to the legal definition" is bullshit.
Asexual reproduction: you do not have to look up exotic lizards, just look at bacteria!
Jed Clampett No, Jed, we won't excuse you while you troll about something that they said on another video - or at all, for that matter. But if you must troll, at least do so on the page where the video resides.
Jed wants to troll on this video because he is tired of having his butt kicked on every video he goes on.
Why are theists so angry? What happened to them in their first 2 years, before they started believing in a God that caused them to turn away from reality? Did someone in reality hurt them in some way?
potty training.
David Roberts Mom caught them playing with it in the tub....jesus was mad!
Brammy007a Dude. (Just a guess. Your generic avatar looks like a dude.) Read it again. I was doing a mirror image of a very common Christian whine about atheists. It`s called wit. Sheesh.
I understand ``Atheist`` pretty well. I`ve been one for over 50 years.
+Bruce Baker to turn away from reality? That's a good one. Do you have any proof that god or gods exist? Care to share?
Michael Dennis Read it again. You and I are on the same side. But second time someone thought otherwise and said so.
Wrong impression once: fault could be either side. Second time? OK, its me being unclear.
When we talk about "feeling" God? Isn't another feeling we can't explain "Love"? And if your really compare those two inside yourself? Isn't it very close, or even EXACTLY the same feeling? Personlly I've experienced both these "feelings" in different times while thinking God AND for another person, to the extreme point of my physical heart jumping out of my chest. Over my life, "Now" I don't confuse those definitions anymore, and I don't attribute Love to be some supernatural phenomena. It is simply the Love I experience to any degree for everything in this entire universe. My atheism now uncovers answers to serious physical dilemas, and I experience my heart jumping out of my chest all the time without fail. The knowledge one gains/uncovers over time gets exponentially greater as real questions get actual answers instead of settling for "magic did it". Life is wonderous and amazing, and I don't need a God to be the answer that stifles my yearning for knowledge and making life better and better day after day. Gr8! Peace ☮💜
A really înteresting episode, and well-said.
Telling a child they are bad and deserve hell is child abuse.
I just wish parents allow their children to use their critical faculties, reason and logic instead of indoctrinating them. It is purely due to childhood indoctrination that religion s are still here.
+slumberzzzz Take away early indoctrination and religion falls. 50% in 2 generations. Too bad that'll never happen.
Fear not. The pixies that fart universes will protect you. Always.
+Russ Broda. I used to have unwavering faith in the UF Pixies. But lately I've been hearing that their power is diminishing. They need MORE followers, or their power will diminish and their protection of us will ebb away.
Apparently money would also help. Lots and lots of money. Farting universes requires a pretty expensive diet. So: belief energy. And money. If you can only spare one of those...make it the money.
I don't think James from New Jersey KNOWS any "big words". Unless his sister is actually slower than him, in which case I'm sure walking and breathing at the same time would be a herculean challenge.
the opening of these shows are hilarious! so low quality, but I love the Athiest Experience.
God hides exactly the same as if he didn't exist
The thing is: ALL gods are hiding ...why does it have to be limited to the unproven god of the Bible?
Really? So he exists but is really good at hiding?
Huh? I don’t believe there are any gods.
kevin is a good candidate for the silliest caller ever and that's saying something
FIRST, I USE ALL CAPS AS I AM 879 AND I CAN SEE WHAT I WRITE EASIER.
SECOND NO PRINTED WORD CAN MAKE ANY SOUND, MUCH LESS A LOUD ONE
THIRD, NO ONE IS FORCED TO READ ANY OF THE THINGS I POST! DUH!!
OPPS, SORRY I MEANT "79" AND DID NOT SEE MY ERROR UNTIL NOW,,
If the only child abuse that should be recognized as such should be the most dire forms then should the only crimes be the most dire? Keep murder and rape on the books but let's not water "crime" down with petty things like theft?
Closed Minded: Not open and unwilling to entertain new information. The person who has asserted the conclusion is the person who in no longer looking for an answer. This is the person who is closed minded. I am closed minded about the sun being hot. YOu will not convince me that it is cold, Of the religious who have it all figured out, "God done it." and the Atheists or scientists who admit, "we just don't know." who is obviously the more closed minded?
The sun being hot is demonstrable. Are gods observable, or demonstrable? Theism is a claim that something (a god) exists - is that claimed-yet-unproven existence observed and proven to be real? That is the question that theists need to answer honestly.
I considered myself an Atheist at one point and watched your Program... then I saw your Programming and pushing Pro Choice down our throats..especially you Jen. I believe choice should be available but a matter dependent on circumstances and not a convenient way to get rid of a problem you created without the slightest forethought . I now just call myself a non believer as it is better to avoid all labels...for once you have one then people try to control you...
Tip: go to settings and speed up the audio x2.
i really like this caller. he is very clearly a smart man. i hope you (the caller) can some day find a way out of the current situation you are in.
Damon sounds like Ray Comfort.
Kevin: ya know, basicly, um...ya know.
Abrupt hangup (not undeserved). But he did get his 2 minutes.
29:15 omg i'm dying. " While they Donut.. Do not * claim ..... "
I saw "Kevin - New York" and got ptsd then realized this was an old call and that Kevin was probably a kid.
I'm surprised that they didn't bring up cell division. Cells are living things and they replicate by themselves.
Kevin, please go to heaven...
20:40
Oh, hi mark
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AND OF COURSE, IF MORE ATHEISTS WOULD JOIN AND SUPPORT AS MANY OF THE LEADING ATHEIST GROUPS AS THEY CAN AFFORD TO, OUR PATH TO TRUE RELIGIOUS FREEDOM IN THE USA MUCH MORE QUICKLY!!
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Matt bought a Kinect!?
Well there goes any respect I had for him... ;)
For the next big debate, he wants to get his body language up to the level of Cliffe Kinectle :o
I'm struggling with that right now. I don't believe in god BUT still have that fear of hell. It's hard to get passed.
I struggled with that too until I realized the concept of hell fails on many levels. First, consider the idea of indoctrination: if you were never exposed to religion your entire life and someone were to approach you about it now, how convinced would you be? Probably not very. That's why you want to get people at a young age, while they're still impressionable AND you want to sell that bullshit hard with some hellfire and brimstone; of course you're going to accept it, especially if everyone within your sphere of influence--young and old alike--already accept it. Second, look at it from a scientific standpoint: how can ANY living person honestly claim to have knowledge of a place that only the dead can see? Also, is hell a spiritual place or a physical place? If it's a physical place then again, where's the evidence for it? It can't be "down there" as the religious claim, because we already know what's "down there", namely molten lava and that kind of thing. If it's a spiritual place then guess what? Fire is an actual PHYSICAL chemical reaction that requires heat, fuel and oxygen. Even if ghosts are real (just bear with me here), then if what we assume about them is correct, then casting one into a "lake of fire" won't burn it any more than spraying one with a hose would make it wet. Ghosts are supposedly incorporeal, devoid of any physical matter or nervous system, meaning fire likely wouldn't cause one any pain. Furthermore, would a "loving god" really send anyone to a hell for eternity as punishment for finite crimes? Why would an "all-knowing" god even create a being like satan, a being that would only cross him and get cast out? I could go on and on, but I think--I hope--that what I've left you with here at least gives you pause, and hopefully, some peace of mind. :)
christopher9000p I love this. Thank you. That has eased my mind a lot and makes so much sense. Thanks again !!!
Lindsey Crabtree
Thanks. Glad I could help out. I have a good friend who has over a thousand videos posted on atheism that you might also want to check out. Her channel is BionicDance. She was the one responsible for my deconversion.
lf you don't believe in god then there would not be a hell, so enjoy your life knowing you have lots of time to rack up a bunch of sin and if you ever change your mind, rules are, confess on your deathbed and have the best of both worlds.
Judging by your comment, I'd say it's obvious you either didn't read mine, or read it without giving it the least amount of thought. Of course, in ANY religion, thought tends to be the enemy, especially critical thought.
may anybody tell me, what kevin said at the end, when matt cut off?
I'd like a law passed that you may raise your child in your chosen religion, BUT, you must, on a regular basis, explain that there are other religions and touch on those beliefs. It's fine to say this is what we believe, but, hey other people believe this or that. Spiritual paths or Atheism must be chosen, not forced.
If we don't see gods existing, then we don't need to think they're real.
Yes, you have the choice to win stupid prizes by playing stupid games.
This "FSM North by god Carolina"... is that meant as abbreviation for "Flying Spaghetti Monster"?
I feel like I heard him say something along the lines of identical twin sister at some point. Guy seemed a tad unhinged.
"well, there word 'asexual' has the word 'sexual' in it..." boom! Haha.
remove the carrot and stick and Christianity would cease to exist in short order.
The lady that Matt referred to as LDS but isn't sounds like she is attempting an ecumenical approach to religion. I have met a few people like that serving as an LDS missionary.
Ok, seriously...
Parthenogenesis?
I meen, I know what it meens... but I've studied biology! I bet, that nobody in my circle of friends (who hasn't studied with me) knows what this word meens, let alone just pulling it out of a heat in a conversation like that!
And I know, many people here will now tell me how smart they are, and that they know it...
But I think we really have to appriciate the fact, that these guys are extremly well educated, even in areas where it goes far beyond just "common knowledge".
I know what it um,.. 'meens and a I have a really cool pork-pie heat.
Wink-wink , nod -nod. Say no more my friend. Just a bit of humor.
Freddy Scissorhands it's means not meens...
Trynedge And, and, and is it hat not 'heat'?
Wink-wink, nod-nod. Say no more.
Freddy Scissorhands The thing is.. Simple things like not understanding a word are quite literally 5 minutes if not less, and a google search away from knowing what it means-- even broad scientific topics like Evolution. The fact of the matter is that some people don't need to know what Parthenogenesis, or Abiogenesis means to pretend to know pretend that it isn't true. There are people who come to argue for the "falsity" of Evolution without even having a 9th grader understand of what it actually means, and they don't want to know what it means, they don't care-- and they won't.
could someone please tell me the band that sings the opening to this song i have no idea and thanks, shazaam isn't picking the song up
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Cj Casey That would be due to the fact he is not a famous or recognised musician but IS an extremely talented one, he has a youtube channel, just type his name in.
Ok... slight mistake that I caught.
"So even science can be child abuse"
No. Teaching in a set way can be child abuse. 'What' you teach, in the case of science, is not the problem.
'What' you teach in the case of religion is the problem, when teaching religion.
The hosts... missed this. Though they rightly took it to pointing out important issues around this. Targeting the problems wherever they are. Pointing out that religion somehow gets a asinine free pass on bullshit. I agree with that stuff as well.
I lost my faith yonks ago. Around the same time the graphics manager on this lost the "s" in Glasgow.
I had a friend that thought he was color blind. But found out that his uncle had told him the wrong colors. Did get him out of the army.
Which came first the chicken or the egg? The egg. T-Rex's laid eggs, the archeopteryx was a dinosaur, and laid eggs like all dinosaurs, then evolved into birds, so eggs predated chickens by 65 million years.
+Marilyn Newman that is a lie from satan. birds are not dragons. evolution is just a gravity, like theory.
+Marilyn Newman did your friend not go to school? Was inducted into the Army when he was five?
Michael Dennis
Yes, he went to school, but what has that got to do with it? It still would work at school.
my kid was written up because he didn't know the color orange and the body part elbow in kindergarten.
and then what happened after Toys R Us Matt!!!!!???? What Happened!!!!!!!!!??????
+ghostofdayinperson I get where you're coming from. But I was raised in a strict Evangelical home and got the 100-proof stuff. I appreciate what you're saying. At least you got the light beer version. Count yourself lucky. I hope you find peace. Take care.
Study evolution, in detail, and you'll know that the egg came first.
Where did the egg come from?
The fertilized egg came first - obviously.
Disappointed that the first person I've seen phoning in from Scotland isn't actually Scottish.
Can we get some sexy Scottish accents on the show?
+SeraphinaAizen1 he sounds scotches to me lol
philip verso Scotch is a drink. Not a nationality.
Either way, this guy definitely wasn't Scottish. He's English. Scottish and English accents aren't anything alike.
In fact...not sure his accent is quite English either. He's got a little lilt going on there that sounds foreign.
Ah, he says he's Greek, in fact. Right there in the call.
No such thing as a sexy Scottish accent
@@Meansnare Oi! Fook yer taekin boot ye junkie fook? Ahll shoove yer ead up intae yer arse, sence ya like taekin shite so. Haha I'm just messing with ya, and I agree, it's not a sexy dialect, but it is fucking fun.
"It has the word sexual in there" 4Head
Pass the salt!
arguing with atheist is like playing chess with the pigeon. No matter how good your argument may be, the bird will shit on the board and then strut around as if it won the argument
+Michael Dennis You are an idiot. Fuck your religion and your fake ass, manmade god.
+Michael Dennis arguing with a theist is like playing chess with the pigeon. No matter how good your argument may be, the bird will shit on the board and then strut around as if it won the argument.
How clever! Completely original! Never heard that one before. Typical lack of original thought I would expect from a theist
Yes, projection is a very serious issue with extremely dumb people.
I see it every day at work.
Stop giving them ideas!
i had an atheism experience the other DAY. unfortunately I have A lack of belief IT actually happened
The 'won't you listen to reason' intro really *** me off that I have to listen to that mediocre ** before I can get to listen to the sensible show hosts.
kragseven Right: except I always seem to 'click' a little too far ahead and miss the start of the show. I just find that particular intro irritating, that's all there is to it really.
Elr James I actually really enjoy this song, and have went and bought Bryan Steekma's stuff because of it. ANYONE who claims that music is anything less than good, has to provide musical theory into it - because otherwise it's all opinion. Being of an open mind I listen to most genres and like more than just one kind of music obviously. Having an "open mind" is kind of the whole point of their show, and if you hear the whole song it's really good.
Trynedge Sure: but I didn't claim it was "less than good", I just mentioned I found it an irritatingly repetitive intro for the Show, which is presumably why others are now on.
But what happened next at Toys R Us?
kevin was great.
pass the salt sis
hilarious how Matt doesn't want to reveal the truth about Santa Claus.
As if there are atheist kids in the audience who still believe in Santa?
did they really answer "the egg" on the chicken/ egg question? XD
archi baldikowski yes. Egg developed first
Shane Wilson XD the chicken egg question is the description of a not clear, obvious causal chain
archi baldikowski Oh I understand the meaning of the question, but the specific question of the chicken and the egg has been determined.
ok, but when you dont take it in a metaphorical, metaphysical way, shouldnt the answer be evolution, cause either egg, or chicken doesnt demonstrate the complexity thats behind the question?
Shane Wilson btw, thats what wiki says: From a modern scientific perspective, the chicken came first because the genetic recombination that produced the first "chicken" (though that may be an arbitrary definition in a breeding population undergoing speciation) occurred in germ-line cells in a non-chicken ancestor
Sadly, I was just looking at recent PEW polling data on the future of religion. I hope they are wrong, but based on current trends in proselytizing and birth rates, they predict that non-believers will increase in the west (YEA!), but that, overall, the percentage of non-believers world wide will be lower in the future. (boo!)
+Pat Doyle the muslim population is never really going to change.
Shadow Chaser
I might have said that about Christians 40 years ago.
Its just very different over there. I exaggerate a bit, they will change in time but very little. They aren't as influenced by our culture.
Shadow Chaser
WE weren't "influenced by our culture" either, but we changed. Our culture is the result of change with NO example to look at. Why should we assume that people with an example will do worse than people with no example?
I just mean I feel they are less likely to change in as significant a capacity as we are. It may be because of much more education on evolution and spokes persons standing up and waking people up. I hope you are right and that they will change over the next few decades.
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I agree nothing living came from nothing.. Atheist are absurd..I also think hanging up on him was not fair..When you only talk to people who think like you you will always seem right..
Tyler Campbell Yeah, because creation by magic is so much more logical. Go get a vasectomy immediately.
ha ha ha 00.00
Matt lost credit with me when I realized he has no formal education..So he believes in things he read in a book..How ironic!!
So...you...what...Only respect people that read from books, and have other people tell them what is in those books? Or how to read what's in the books? Aretardsayswhat?
Sad child
Our church is winning souls every day.. There's no mass exudes..We have grown to over a thousand members in just three years..Good bye devil be gone..
Tyler Campbell
Has your church (or you) proved and observed the one god you believe in, amongst the many other claimed yet unproven gods, is actually real and demonstrable?
Sad sad poor sad child.
@@luckymehehe5249 you don't accept the evidence you see everyday..Your self proclaimed intelligence won't let you see the forest because of the trees..
@@WilbertLek That's how I feel about you guys..I pray God has mercy on your souls..
@@WilbertLek And to date 3000 souls gave their lives to Christ..It's not to late for you..