The carnivore diet exposed: Healthful or harmful? | ZOE Dailies with Christopher Gardner
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
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Each day this week, we’re examining one of the world’s most popular diets. Putting the latest scientific evidence under the microscope, we’ll find out these diets' true impact on your health.
Today we’re talking about the carnivore diet, a zero-carb regimen centered on meat, fish, eggs, and minimal dairy, while excluding all plant foods and alcohol.
Advocates claim benefits in autoimmune conditions, type 2 diabetes, and weight loss, asserting that our ancestors thrived on this diet. However, this controversial diet does raise questions about nutrient deficiencies and excessive saturated fat intake.
In this special episode of ZOE Science & Nutrition, Jonathan is joined by Christopher Gardner, Professor of Medicine at Stanford University and the Director of Nutrition Studies at Stanford Prevention Research Center. Together, they explore its purported advantages and drawbacks.
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Timecodes:
00:00 Introduction
00:42 Topic Intro
01:10 Why would anyone want to follow the carnivore diet?
01:50 What are people eating on this diet?
02:08 What would happen if you ate this way?
02:58 Can we get all the essential nutrients we need to live from this diet?
03:47 What are the claimed benefits of this diet?
04:24 Could you live on this diet long term?
05:20 What are the differences between animal carnivoires and us?
07:24 Are there any studies to show what happens when you follow it?
08:49 Why aren't there any official studies on the carnivore diet?
10:13 What's the verdict?
10:41 Outro
Mentioned in today’s episode:
Behavioral Characteristics and Self-Reported Health Status among 2029 Adults Consuming a “Carnivore Diet”, published in PubMed.
Link: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
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So just to be clear, you've asked a vegan for his unbiased view on the carnivore diet.....
A vegan who's studies are funded by the fake meat companies
I think he's vegetarian. But you are absolutely correct in pointing out the extreme bias. Not to mention the 4 million dollars research funding he got recently to push the vegan agenda.
So just to be clear, you think proponents of the carnivore diet are unbiased...
@@peternorman4604 The only agenda that exists is the "carnivore agenda". Please provide any scientific evidence a carnivore diet is healthy in the long term AND that it's environmentally sustainable.
He’s not a vegan. Also it’s obvious the carnivore diet is BS to anyone with a functioning brain cell. Imagine the state of the world and the environment if everyone went carnivore. It’s completely illogical. Clearly humans are not carnivores. Try your luck against a lion. Morons.
I put my autoimmune disease into remission with a meat diet. I had very severe polyrheumatic arthritis and was unable to work two years ago. Today I exercise every day and am completely free of pain. The rheumatism serology is also negative. My son also has a severe autoimmune disease - ulcerative colitis. Two years ago he was about to have a serious operation: the removal of the entire colon. The inflammatory process could no longer be controlled despite cortisone, immunosuppressants and biologics. He also changed his diet to include meat and animal fat. Today he is in remission, only taking a biologic and no other medication.
Think this is a key point - people with auto immune issues really seem to benefit from a carnivore diet so again it’s not one size fits all
Thank you for sharing your experience
Just be aware that long term you are putting your health at serious risk. You should consider working with a dietitian to restart to incorporate some foods, slowly and gradually. Good luck with your issue. 😊
I have RA. If he relies on a biologic then his symptoms may not be present, but he isn’t in true remission.
@@lewismcnicholas2631 Bit dismissive. Yes people with auto-immune benefit more from carnivore but that's because it seems to be an alleviation of a wider problem that is basically introducing allergens and toxins into the human body which it isn't designed to deal with long term.
Most notably oxalates and nightshade toxins are particularly bad with acne and arthritis it seems and this is helpful for _everybody_ if you avoid it early. I could say more but this is just a brief illustration of why carnivore is not jut food for the sick.
(TL;DR, don't eat your spinach, arthritis is diet not age)
I’ve been on the carnivore diet for a few years now. I’m a consultant neuroradiologist in the UK.
My weight has dropped from 92kg to 78kg, my HBA1c is 33. My BP has dropped from 145/90 to 115/80. I feel so much better and actually enjoy eating a restricted diet. I find I never snack or ever get the urge to eat sugary foods.
This channel clearly supports literature promoting gut health. As such vegan diets / variety of diets that are supportive of gut health are championed, as such I think there is bias towards anything against the zoe agenda.
I am obviously supportive of the gut health literature, I find it super interesting, but I feel this clouds judgement on any other topics presented by Zoe.
I find a double thumbs down based on the fact it’s restrictive to be rather dismissive. As a doctor, I found it interesting that there was very little discussion on scientific research. If as discussed there wasn’t any good scientific data, how can such a diet be dismissed so easily?
Just my opinion.
Are neuroradiologists well trained in nutrition? I'm not sure why you reference your profession here.
Yes, your HBA1C is good because you aren't eating any carbs. Your weight dropped, a benefit that was mentioned in the video. I note that you didn't tell us how your LDL cholesterol or ApoB has changed - I would be more concerned about your heart health.
A short 10 minute video is not designed to thoroughly dissect the science. We can probably assume that the experts Zoe brings in are giving us a fair view of the research. We can also dive into their longer form podcast content for a deeper discussions. Ultimately, you are free to review the research, but you'll find that your diet is not backed by any good science.
@@Jack-tk3ubit's a short 10 min video with absolutely no evidence, about a diet, with a man that knows so little about the diet in question, he admits he doesn't know what people can eat on that diet!
And his explanation of weight loss on the diet is nonsense!
If you're going to do a video on a diet, any diet - vegan or carnivore - you have a duty to report accurately and at least have someone that knows about the diet in question!
@@Jack-tk3ub How can you say that zoe is non bias they need to bring on Carnivore doctors form across all the health proffessions and sciences to give the evidence and science behind why you are wrong. Colestrol does not predict who will have a cardiac episode. If you look hard enough you will find the studies they are out there.
They have a history of negatively rating diets with restrictions. They do the same thing when discussing the low fat (10-12%) vegan diet. I think this is because they don’t believe people will really stick to it therefore not really worth studying.
The gut health focus seems to make sense unless you don’t think that’s important.
My sister was carnivore for over 3 years. She has never been overweight and went to the gym regularly. Her weight was at 8 and a half stone, 5ft 6. It was while at the gym that she collapsed and spent 10 days in hospital recovering from a stroke. Her blood pressure was 216/174
It's an extreme elimination diet that people do to get back to basics and health and then choose to add more foods in one at a time to see if they can tolerate it.
I've been doing this for a couple of weeks following a health scare. I have not missed carbs ie crisps, sheets, bread, cereals, etc. All of which are not healthy. I am not a carnivore as I eat veg with some meals as well as coleslaw etc. But my sugar/carb cravings have gone. He says we may crave bread but can't have it. Having a high protein high fat diet leaves you feeling full and not hungry and not craving bread.
I gave up all wheat products a year ago and never crave bread. I used to eat almost a whole loaf some days.
On your last point... many of the highest satiating foods are carbs. Boiled potatoes, especially.
Yes it's important to recognise the value of elimination diets that aren't necessarily intended to be long term. They're often necessary to fix metabolic issues and much more effective than simply eating more plants and demonising animal products.
@@helencooney1363 Grapes seems like a better elimination diet.
@@semi-mojo I'm perfectly satiated with only meat (no carbs) and this feeling of having eaten enough last for many hours. I wouldn't say the same is true for boiled potatoes and other starchy foods. You may be satiated with them but 3 to 4 hours later you'll probably be hungry again.
I will sign up for a clinical trial on carnivore diet - many carnivores would love to have that study done asap -
absolutely - they have nothing to hide.
@@anthonyhulse1248If that was the case then all carnivore "science" wouldn't be about rejecting most science and convincing themselves that their high saturated fat intake and horrible blood work is actually harmless.
Its not a coincidence that this comes from America(Land of the world's most powerful meat lobby)
@@anthonyhulse1248 Yep, we want to know. We are not ideologues. We would drink a gallon of Coca-Cola a day if we thought that was best for human health.
@@gmnotyet what about Pepsi?
Hey, if Chris was a truthseeker, he would take us up on the offer. But the last thing he wants is for anything like this becoming mainstream, truth or not. You don't even need to read between the lines anymore.
The problem with modern day diet is not the meat or the vegetables, its the ultra processed foods filled with seed oils and sugar. Skip those and your health will improve
I would add refined grains to the list but otherwise agree 100%.
@@davidr1431 exactly.
Yes…..Turns out refined grains pretty much are sugar
Whole grains is _also_ pure sugar but whatever. People want to pretend like it isnt' chemically identical to sugar for some reason.
@@Mallchad Do we see the same health outcomes for eating whole grains vs table sugar? I don't think so.
Protein from meat is turned to pure glucose for energy... does that mean meat = bad?
Didn’t realise Zoe is totally flooded by loyal carnivores… strange? It’s a plant channel & they get upset? There are many carnivore channels if they don’t like Zoe… plants have transformed my life beyond recognition, and I’m forever grateful to Zoe for their amazing contribution to my vastly improved health - sincere thanks. 👍
We are ex-vegans and ex-vegetarians who bought into the whole "plants are healthy" lie.
After suffering for a while and working out that it's the meat that is actually healthy we are angry!
The majority of comments indicate that this interview was a disaster with no scientific proof or even research on Dr. Gardner's side, It's hard not to agree with the majority in this case, by wasting people's time with his unfounded opinions, it's more than enough to irritate 95% of people, regardless of their diet.
It was not hailed as a vegan/vegetarian site but a health study.
@@dennisward43 plant based diets harmful? do you think the meat based high animal proteins western diet is causing no harm really? Stop joking please
And add oxalates to that list of harmful veg ingredients. 90 % of kidney stones are calcium oxalate, therefore high oxalate foods are to be avoided by those with a propensity to develop kidney stones.
I think we hit an echo chamber.
Ask a vegan if eating meat is good. HA.
Anthony Chaffee
I do not think that anybody follows carnivore diet just because he likes the meat. The most carnivores I met are clients with serious health problems, oft inflammatory bowel autoimmune diseases and they (after trying everything possible) follow carnivore diet because the meat is food they the best tolerate. It will be great if modern medicine and nutrition were able to help them feel and eat better.
Exactly!
modern 'nutrition' and medicine 😂try ancestral, like what we're more evolved to eat, before people's interventions, 15 months of carnivore certainly hasn't miraculously reserved my pre-existing ailments, but it alone has made me feel far better, i agree i don't eat carnivore just because i like the meat, and the eggs and dairy too, but it IS actually satiating enough to make sticking to it surprisingly easy, and believe me i was well and truly addicted to carbs, could never get enough of them in my pre-carnivore days, now i have none, other than the small amount in what eggs and dairy i consume
But could they? Big Pharma and Big Food want to make money and satisfy their shareholders first. It's not that they necessarily want us dead, but their main concern is not really our health. And if people can heal their IBD with a meat only diet what's the purpose of finding a drug to help them to eat toxic food again? Wouldn't it be more natural to simply avoid foods that we are probably not designed to eat?
Exactly. I'm temporarily carnivore because my ME is messing with every bit of my gastric system. I've gone from being in pain, feeling sick and exhausted to being comfortable again (although always tired!) I'm on meat and dairy for now and will only drop the dairy if I need to. But the improvement so far is pretty great.
Thank you for saying this, it is so important to get this sentiment out there and not let people like Christopher control the narrative: This is NOT some hedonistic 'excuse' to eat a certain food (as Chris and his ilk constantly try to portray, this is just the latest example), but it is an extremely useful, if last resort, non-pharmaceutical intervention that can give people their lives back.
We are omnivore, plain and simple. Not herbivores nor carnivores. Any extreme diet doesn't make sense. I do believe if you are having health issues some of these diets may actually help short term but not a long term solution.
Humans are an ice age species - there were no vegetables in the ice age. We evolved on an extreme diet from a very different time. It only seems extreme in this warmer world.
@@anungunrama7646 Your digestional system evolved 20 mio. years ago, when we only ate fruits.
So if you ant to know what to optimally eat, then look to all other great apes, they basically only eat plants as should we for optimal health.
and just because you've adapted to something doesn't mean that its optimal for you. Just look to prostate cancer and cows milk, if this is news to you.
There are more than only 3 choices: we could also be scavengers 😁. Quite surprisingly our stomach is very acidic with a pH found only in scavengers.
We live in a society where most of the people think we should eat anything, so any diet differing a bit from this norm could be qualified with the adjective "extreme".
The fact that we can eat some plants doesn't mean that an omnivore diet is optimal for us and that a carnivore diet doesn't make sense. Does it make sense for you to eat plants full of toxins like oxalates and lectins even when you are not starving?
@@Noegzit Why is that surprising? Our best data indicates that the low pH is probably more for killing germs than anything else as our pH rises when we eat which true meat eaters doesn't.
But sure we've obviously lived like scavengers, but that doesn't mean that its optimal for us to do so.
It makes sense for us to look at science and it concludes that the hflc nonsense about oxalate and lectin scare is not supported by science - not even by a long shot. All you guys accomplish repeating that nonsense is invalidating yourselves in the imperical debate as it reduces you to a parrot that just repeats the sillyness you hear without questioning it.
Add to that even the best hunters only catched something about 3% of the time, look up the work of prof. John D. Speth.
Does it make sense to be hunting / running when ur starving or did we get the majority of our calories from cooked non moving tubers like the current science says?
The only people who really lived on animal products through generations are the Inuits and they can't go into ketosis because of genetic adaptions - there's almost a lesson in there if one is willing to listen to evolution.
Do the hflc nonsense for long enough and the human body says "nope I'll put a stop to this.
The only thing omnivorous about us is our behaviour. You have not physiologically adapted to eat animal products.
I've been carnivore for nearly 2 years now best thing I have ever done, lost 60 lbs. Stopped my gout flare-ups, improved my asthma, and I've never been so active in my life.
Likewise
Carnivore fixed my outta control high blood pressure, where very low carb keto did not.
The IARC/WHO classified processed meat as a Group 1 carcinogen, the same category as tobacco smoking and asbestos
@@starmanjesus5679carnivore diets are always whole meats
@@starmanjesus5679don’t think anyone is disputing the damage caused by processed meats
I really love this series! Thank you so much for this. will you cover "saturated fat" for gut microbiome in detail? Or you may already have one? (Sorry if I missed.) I am always wonder how saturated fat is bad but unsaturated fat is good in terms of metabolism. Also if the quality of animal saturated fat is worse than plant saturated fat? Or just purely quantity?
We really need high quality and quantity long-term studies on carnivore and on vegan diet and they need to be comparable. We really need to know what's the healthiest diet for humans. Unbiased and without ideology, pure no-nonsense science!
You have heard, I hope about the Identical Twin Study that was recently released, no it did not go into the Carnivore diet..... but it did suggest that health markers improved on a Vegan diet.
Theres already plenty of research and evidence that many plants produce better health outcomes, and that meat more often than not does the opposite...
@@BillMcHale One vegan lost 7 pounds of muscle, her omnivore sister lost 3 pounds of muscle.
@@gmnotyet So both twins lost muscle mass which to me suggests that the cause could have less to do with the diet and more to do with someone not getting enough exercise.
@@BillMcHale The vegan lost over twice as much muscle. This would be a CATASTROPHE long-term.
This is just a conversation, no science in proving why this diet is bad. I'm a vegetarian too! But I want to hear real data. We know the data behind microbiome importance and fiber already!
Vegetarianism is nowhere near as healthy, as proper whole food veganism
Adventist 2 study etc
Did you not just watch this video? He said you can’t get all the minerals and vitamins you need from a meat only diet
@@CodieOnline But it was entirely strawmanned (it's not just steak) - the carnivore diet involves organ meat to get those vitamins and minerals. I would have been really keen to hear which ones we couldn't get.
Also they mentioned that you'd feel hungry all the time and feel deprived. Universally the opposite is what I hear - people only want to eat once or twice a day and lose interest in eating other foods. Hopefully more science comes out because I found this conversation disappointing.
@@CodieOnline Prove it. Show us all of the nutrients meat is missing. And before you spout off, vitamin C is in meat, and fiber is not a nutrient.
They can't be bothered to check the microbiome of anyone consuming a carnivore diet. They just say it's bad. No science. Just dogma.
I did this diet for about 10 days last year. Felt fine to begin with but absolutely terrible by day 10.
Withdrawal effects, due to lack of carbohydrates, you have to adjust slowly.
@@davidfarrar2454 “Red meat consumption was significantly associated with greater risk of
breast cancer (RR = 1.09; 95% CI = 1.03-1.15),
endometrial cancer (RR = 1.25; 95% CI = 1.01-1.56),
colorectal cancer (RR = 1.10; 95% CI = 1.03-1.17),
colon cancer (RR = 1.17; 95% CI = 1.09-1.25),
rectal cancer (RR = 1.22; 95% CI = 1.01-1.46),
lung cancer (RR = 1.26; 95% CI = 1.09-1.44),
and hepatocellular carcinoma (RR = 1.22; 95% CI = 1.01-1.46)”
Farvid, M.S., Sidahmed, E., Spence, N.D. et al. Consumption of red meat and processed meat and cancer incidence: a systematic review and meta-analysis of prospective studies. Eur J Epidemiol 36, 937-951 (2021). doi.org/10.1007/s10654-021-00741-9
Keto flu?
Takes up to 3 months to fat adapt and you were probably having keto flu or withdrawals at that point try again this time target at least 3 months to benefit. Keeping a daily journal may help you work out the symptoms of why you fetl like this. There are so many successfull carnivores that have overcome carb addiction withdrawals. Dont give up find a group of like minded people to support you.
Yes its because you have made your body addicted to sugar.
I've been carnivore for 5 years. It's very easy to do. I don't get tired of it, and I'm not tempted by muffins or pastries. I did grow tired every day when I ate healthy whole grains and needed a 2 o'clock nap.
Yeah, he is on an anti science mission, from hell. Please write to him and say as much. Hell, volunteer for the study he says no one will do because of the difficulty!
Same here never eating toxic plants again. Or corn and other plant based foods that killed millions following the NHS and american diet even when all processed foods and grains were removed the salad and vegetables herbs and even spices made me need so much more medications than I actually needed. Not supprising when you know big pharma is behing processed food production.
no plants ever? Can you drink coffee? What's your ldl? Do you use plants for seasoning?
@andrewroberts8959 (oxLDL)? Because LDL-C (there is no such thing as 'good' or 'bad' cholesterol, there is only 1 molecule) is a pointlessly outdated measurement. Dr. Westman has some good YT information on this if you like the platform.
you’re not real come on
Wow Zoe is about to feel the wrath of the carnivore bros like you wouldn’t believe
The criticism actually seems to be coming from people with critical thinking skills.
Yes, seems like the carnivores are flooding this channel to give it negative reviews. Why don’t they just unsubscribe? Easier that way. 👍
Who cares!!!!!
@@davidr1431 It clearly isn't, if it did they would acknowledge that there is no data and the man is right.
Critical thinking skills require objectivity, which they don't have. Biass is what fuels them
@@StillTrustNo1 Shouldn’t we then advocate the collection of data? Isn’t that what people are criticising, the asserting of a conclusion without evidence.
Next week on Zoe, we ask a Marxist to say why we should all be capitalists, and then we ask a Christian why we should be atheists.
Lastly we ask a car salesman why we should buy a new car.
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Do you this Chris Gardner makes money from promoting a plant based diet? He could much more easily make money by promoting animal products.
@@anthonybruno8965 Yes, in part his professional existence is funded directly by Beyond Meat. That is simply a fact.
But I don't believe he is motivated just by money. He has said before that plant-based eating aligns with his values.
Both of these facts impact on his "neutrality" in assessing diets which don't align with his values or professional funding sources
How could they not? He just doesn't disclose them for some reason, and neither does Zoe.
@@davidr1431 I don't believe he's motivated by money or biased by corporations either.
I just think he is arrogant and dissmissive of the evidence in front of him. And overconfident in his ability as a scientist.
@@Mallchad Yes, I think you’ve hit the nail on the head.
The biggest issue with all restriction diets is that the body is amazingly good at adopting to it as best it can so takes years or decades to see the damage. The carnivore diet also requires offal like liver, kidney, hearts, bone meal etc. which for most people is a big turn off. Also like modern vegetables modern meat is not like in the past as it’s hugely fattier than ever before, has less nutrients and is mostly full of added antibiotics unless you spend a fortune on it. The best advice ever for any diet is eat a very varied diet and everything in moderation and restrict the known bad stuff.
Certfiied Canadian beef is fed neither antibiotics or steroids. Easy to source pastured meat as well and don't have to spend a fortune.
As a daily follower of Zoe , and a fan, I found I was disappointed with this session.I’m not a scientist but I know that eggs,fish,dairy,cheese etc. are available in this diet, many foods recommended by Zoe. I would have liked a serious commentary, cannot take this seriously, disappointed.
Poor baby, don't like when you don't hear good things about your bad habits?
Agree do your research before speaking about it.
I don't feel like carnivore makes sense for most people (including me) but I agree...
Big Zoe fan. Especially of the recognition, generally, that there are individual differences. It seems unreasonable to just write it off without talking to people who have tried this and understand the situation of people who have found it helpful.
It's not going to be helpful to followers or haters to have this non-review type rhetoric.
So disappointed that the famous for running previously impossible studies Zoe apparently isn't bothering to try 😮.
What research? I went on PubMed and found no studies on carnivore diets. You want him to research anecdotes and hear say? He's a scientists that actually conducts research and knows it's the only valid way to get any truth. If it's popular enough, the studies will come.
Very disappointed. My border collie knows more about carnivore. Did the EXPERT read any studies? Apparently not
Changing my diet saved me from debilitating back pain, nerve pain, joint pain, muscle pain, digestive issues, raised blood pressure, 20kg over weight. It took around 8 months for all these problems to resolve. Since 2020 I've been completely pain free and never felt and looked healthier.
I'm only eating fatty meats, seafood, eggs and dairy.
Prior to that I was eating the mainstream version of a healthy diet (lots of veggies, fruit, whole grains, low fat, eating the rainbow etc) for decades and watching my health slowly decline.
I learnt lots watching videos by Dr Ken Berry, Dr Shawn Baker, Dr Gary Fettke, Dr Benjamin Bikman, Dr. Malcolm Kendrick, Dr Anthony Chaffee, Dr Paul Mason etc.
And these authors videos Diana Rodgers, Robb Wolf, Lierre Keith.
Thanks for the info. Have a friend who is currently on this diet. We have had a friendly debate-Apparently it is promoted that we don’t have 4 stomaches like a cow therefore we should not eat plants. I told him our teeth and gut are set up to eat both meat and plants like a bear or dog/wolf.
My dog doesn't have molars.
Check with your vet. 2 on each side upper jaw and 3 on each side lower jaw
@@tonydaddario4706 check with your vet 2 on each side upper jaw and 3 on each side lower jaw
There are monogastric herbivores.
Humans don't have a cecum, apes do.
Apes have fangs too, maybe you should be convincing them that they are carnivores!
Frankly, you should be ashamed of this episode. Dr Gardner clearly knows nothing about this diet and it simply goes against all his preconceived ideas. Like it or not, there are numerous medical professionals who have opted to eat in this way and who thrive on it. Generally, people find this diet not because ‘they want an excuse to eat meat’ (how insulting is that) but because they have medical conditions that reduce their quality of life. I’m not sure anyone would choose to limit their diet in this way unless it gave something back in return.
Then all the off the cuff remarks such as ‘they’ll all be constipated’ etc are frankly so unscientific it beggars belief! I’m not likely to take anything like that seriously.
I agree! These episodes are the worst Zoe has put together and it's a real shame! However, the fact that many people are in a metabolic position where they feel the need to replace an overindulgence in refined carbs with an overindulgence in generally poor quality meat, is an even bigger shame!!.......Two wrongs not making a right springs to mind.
Anthony Chaffee
Not convinced with the responses on this episode: there are people on YT with blood tests for 5, 10,15 years on the carnivore diet who are in excellent health with a "before vs after" relevant comparison.
This beef with the exception of vitamin C and electrolytes has all you need.
There is Vit C in meat. Liver for example.
You just don’t need the excess that the plant eaters do.
Beef has vitamin C it's just assumed to be 0
Meat lacks also vitamin A, vitamin E, vitamin K1, manganese, obviously electrolytes like calcium, and questionable amounts of omega 3.
@@arth8265 Carnivore diet most often includes things like eggs, fish, seafood.
But even people on the lion diet seems to do well but really long term and very strict like that we don’t have much except anecdotal.
I used to love vegetables but I don’t do well eating them. I like the texture and taste of vegetables but no more of that for me.
It’s really like night and day switching to carnivore for me.
Honestly so far, not a single downside for me.
Just like night and day in energy, no more bloating, no constipation, no IBS, skin, hair, nails improved and yes I was “healthy” before.
Not overweight, no meds, but far from thriving.
I will try to include some vegetables in the future.
In general I don’t like this vegans vs carnivore.
Is should be both vs processed junk food.
And fibre, which research is showing to be extremely important.
How long did humans have to adapt to a diet with mostly meat and fish? And then, how long did they have to adapt to a diet based on cereals?
Humans eating cereals go back only about 10,000 years
Except for the Asians who've been eating rice for tens of thousands of years
Before cereals were farmed, humans flat molar teeth for grinding. All kinds of non-fle flesh foods were evolved over millions of years. Our cousins the primates confirm
I am also Paul in Dorset, people eat vegetables then started adding meat in the not so distant past
We have never eaten only meat and fish?
@@CodieOnline
Not having any hard evidence, I would say no
At what epoch and where did humans eat only, exclusively animal products?
The ketosis capability of burning fat rather than carbohydrates was evolved so that humans could switch between carbohydrates when available and fats, stored when carbohydrates were available, when not available
How does exclusively animal nutrition fit into the carbohydrate/ketosis scheme
My comment was a statement. The question mark was to the original comment so I could understand when they think exclusively eating animal products was ever a thing. There’s always been fruits on the trees, vegetables in the ground, we are omnivores
Loving this diet series. I’d like to see a series that considers impact on individual human health alongside impact on the rest of the life we share the planet with. What is the optimal diet for all of us (including non-humans).
Carnivore diet. Look at history, anthropology, human biology and evolution. There is too much corruption and disinformation is the Nutrition space to sort though although we can say safely say that humans evolved as hypercarnivores due to the evidence present. The only way to truly confirm this for yourself is an N=1 experiment, try carnivore for 90 days, it won't kill you.
Diets are species appropriate, there is no one diet fits all.
i was carnivore for years and now i’m vegetarian and now i’m struggling with the bathroom. eating meat is much easier to go to the bathroom, it’s all absorbed
You starved microbiome and you can't handle food. What did you expect?
I love how the "expert" doesn't even understand what carnivore is and then just speculates.
You dont have to speculate if you understand the science. You cannot have a healthy microbiome without fibre.
Note the key is he said, he never read a formal write up of the diet... and in fact, if you look at some carnivore folks on you tube. They don't all agree on what constitutes a carnivore diet.. and as far as I know there is no formal write up of the diet... I have seen everything from people who include anything that once moved... plus milk and eggs, to.. it must be a food from a bovine.. so what is he suppose to do?
So true. Dr Gardner, you didn't even check if people on carnivore diet eat dairy, eggs or any veg at all?
@@sampotter4455 I am sure you never actually read Dr Gardner, the basic problem is that like low carb, Carnivore covers many sins... for the record, no major version of the Carnivore diet includes veggies... some do include eggs and dairy...
@@sampotter4455 Let's not split hairs. There are several variations of carnivore. Some include eggs and dairy, others like the lion diet don't. None include vegetables. What's your point?
I am sorry, but I don't understand why Christopher Gardner is so sarcastic about Paleo and Carnivore. He is a 'vegan-diet pusher', and doesn't look over the wall. I am 58, diagnosed with Primarely Progressive Multiple Sclerose and the prediction was that I would end up in a wheelchair. I started for my health a carnivore diet. Have been on this since may 2023. And it is remarkable how incredible good I am feeling!!! I am never going back to my prior (vegan!) diet. My walking improved, my energy went up, my spirit lifted, no more tummy-pain, my inflammation in joints disappeared, migraine dissapeared, my gums are healthy and so on... It is almost to good to be true...but it is the full truth!!! So, don't be so narrow minded. And try to help people. You'r not helping them by being sarcastic and make people scared of other diets. These interviews with this professor are not the quality I am used from ZOE.
I agree. I am not convinced (whatever Jonathan says) that Zoe are trying to help people (although I do believe that Tim Spector and Sarah Berry's intentions are honest and good). I believe that Jonathan is in this for the money and the reason he hosts the podcast is to focus the message in support of the Zoe diet, not to find truth or spread helpful information.
"what are people eating on this diet?" "I've never seen a formal write up of this" could one be any less preprared to discuss the topic?
Surprised that Zoe endorse this episode. I heard nothing based on science, rather an individual’s opinions. I thought we were moving away from that!
Some of those meats that Native Alaskans eat or any similar culture remaining, are not ultra processed and those animals are not consuming GMO grains or highly processed seed oils. They probably eat seasonally which includes some plant life. There are plants in the ocean too, therefore they are in the food chain. Worldwide, though, diets are being compromised because of the international food industry and other factors.
But why they didn't living over 100 years with that diet?
@@yummymealsss in the book of Genesis, right before the Great Flood, God made a decision to limit the life of humans to 120 years, regardless of how healthy their food consumption. It appears that the reasoning behind that, although I’m sure complex, had to do with the existence of the Nephilim, (main reason for the Great Flood) which were hybrid humans. That leads to the idea of reproduction and the ability for humans to constantly be trying to control their environment. You can kind of reason it similar to how politics is about new individuals ruling every certain amount of years or terms. They don’t want one imperfect human in charge too long. In the Bible, human rulership is temporary.
Then don't eat ultra processed foods and select grass raised or pastured animal products.
@@yummymealsssActually on the West Coast of Canada it was common enough for women to live to 100 that they had a name for them, But in those societies as with many more preindustrial HG few people died from chronic diseases, most died from misadventure or homicide if they made it past 5 years old.
Massai tribes on a high meat diet didn't succeed so well and they don't eat processed foods, neither the animals they eat. Autopsies show serious atherosclerosis at a younger age.
I believe all kinds of whole food diet can be good to our health. Just choose one you like most and stay away from processed food and sugar.
True I’m munching on a polar bear at the moment
@@doddsalfa Maybe one will munch on you one day.
Keep in mind that among these whole foods some can be lethal. You can easily die or at least end your life in dialysis from eating too much sorrel or rhubarb leaves. A lot of plants can be quite dangerous when eaten raw and unprocessed, so whole food is not necessarily good food.
@@doddsalfa Easy on the liver bro.
A restrictive diet is a tool! I used a keto diet short term to overcome a sugar/ carb addiction. It worked by curbing constant hunger. Now am able to make healthier food choices and lose weight.
Thanks Chris for making feel so smart today.
Completely non-scientific and extremely flippant, very disappointing. As Prof Christopher Gardner say's, double thumbs down, but not to the diet, rather to his ridiculing a diet that he has no real scientific knowledge of nor interest in.
Well, it sounds like a recipe for digestive problems and colon cancer.
Boy are you ticked off because you don’t like anyone telling you that what you are eating is not healthy. You actually want someone to acknowledge that you’re doing good. Well, I can do that for you. You keep eating that steak sandwich. Keep doing it, year after year. Now, to prove those unscientific scientists wrong, stay away from plants, just eat meat so you can prove them wrong.
"Completely non-scientific"? Really, your clearly speaking more from bias than actual scientific understand of consensus.
@@StillTrustNo1they could have done like 20 minutes research or some shit
@@brucejensen3081 Research on what? you mean on the data that doesn't exist?
How about a reality check - there is no data. Anyone claiming differently is lying. The man even said so, one study of selfreported data, which is all we hear. Everyone who has a good experience are invited but when Frank Tufano destroys his liver on the diet, then the invitation goes away real fast.
How do you count all the people who has a bad experience with the diet, can you show me data that includes that? Just one study.
How about having more debates between people with differing views. This series seems rather one sided
Already done. Check out any debate with either Dr Nagra, Dr Avi or Nick Hiebert. The "carnivore" clowns all got absolutely stumped.
As an 83-year old who's spent most of the last 3 years eating carnivore (including meat, eggs, cheese and milk) I can't believe this video. If you're so wrong about the one diet that I feel I truly understand, I can only imagine how wrong some of your other videos are and I'd sooner get no information that get incorrect information (also why I don't watch mainstream media news programs). BTW, on rare occasions when I cheat and eat carbs, I get liver pains which I've suffered from for 30 years or more, and I even went for a scan at the hospital and they found no problem except a couple benign quarter-sized hemangiomas on my liver but the pains continued, especially at night, every night. I do two days back on carnivore and the liver pains are gone and ketones are back.
It is not meat only. Carnivore diet includes all animal products, dairy products and eggs included.
I'd like to see examination of omega 3/6 levels in Inuit people. It's probably high due to fish consumption, and it's probably heart protective.
Yeah but did they living over 100 year ? If they would so healthy with omega 3/6 level they should live over 100 year all.
@@yummymealsssthey did live in igloos with fires in them and inhale like similar amounts of smoke to a 2 pack a day smoker. Autopsies showed their lungs to be black as, but no signs of atherosclerosis or any heart disease. Their lives may have been shorter, but there indications of what they did, to be protective in some degree
@@brucejensen3081 very interesting
needs more research - why is this working for those with auto immune disease ? This interview is lacking research 😞
No it's not. It's the other way around. We already know why the carnivore diet makes people with autoimmune diseases feel so great. It's the Saladinos of this world that try to convince people otherwise 😂😂😂. It must be hard either way, as non educated doctors have no idea how to treat autoimmune diseases. Carnivore diet isn't a treatment, it's just a starting point to find out which foods are causing the symptoms.
Because it might work, but they might die from CVD or kidney failure in the future. Just like cocaine might fix obesity. Doesn't make it a good thing to promote on a population level. Same with keto and juvenile epilepsy. So yes, needs more research, but the research is not there.
Not convinced with the responses on this episode: there are people on YT with blood tests for 5, 10,15 years on the carnivore diet who are in excellent health with a "before vs after" relevant comparison.
Humans are omnivores, not carnivores. And unless you can't get calcium from meat.
Health benefits and weight loss that come from a carnivore diet is because processed foods and refined carbs were finally dropped from the diet. However, one can achieve the same thing with a diet with more variety like the Mediterranean diet which is more sustainable and satiating. When doing carnivore I really missed simple foods like fruits. I just couldn’t sustain the diet. The carnivore diet was too restrictive and I missed variety. I’m so much more satisfied eating Mediterranean.
I think you have understood your self and made choices that are sustainable for you, which is great. Some people also seem to be saying the same thing about the carnivore diet for them, which is also great.
@@davidr1431 they say it’s great because of the weight loss. It still restrictive and lacks variety. It eliminates entire food groups which is an extreme way of dieting. Doing it short term is likely fine. I don’t think it’s the healthiest diet to do long term though.
@@MichelleNovalee I can understand that view. I do find the question interesting that asks why humans should be the one species that needs to eat such a diverse range of food types ie why is restrictiveness bad?
Yes, we can if we choose to eat widely aif diverse foods are available, but to need to, seems counter intuitive evolutionarily and not what we see in other species.
Obesity and the morbidities that accompany it seem such a threat to health that anything that we can do to avoid it while still getting the minimum protein, fat and mineral requirements is desirable however the individual finds themselves able do that or whatever diet they can sustainably follow.
@@davidr1431 I thinks it’s because humans have diverse appetites and we have cultures built around sharing food at a table. The variety of food pleases our palette. We humans prefer to have a selection of foods to appease our taste buds. This is why we have the various taste receptors on our tongue for sweet, spicy, bitter, pungent, sour, etc flavors. When it comes to the French, there’s definitely a conundrum. How do they manage to eat the wide varieties of food and manage to stay so skinny? They indulge in sweets, fats, bread and an abundance of vegetables and fruits. I would prefer to eat like that and remember that moderation is key.
@@MichelleNovalee You may be right. There is doubtless a global association of food and company that spans cultures.
Having said that, these cultural changes are probably only recently developed, say 10000 years, whereas our evolutionary dietary development spans several million years before that for most of which time the human diet would have been restricted to a much much smaller range of locally and seasonally available foods.
But I take your point. Our species can eat and survive on a huge range of foods. I’m just not convinced that means we need to eat a huge range of foods.
I am a massive and loyal Zoe fan. Sadly I agree with others that this episode in particular is entirely lacking. I expect way more from Zoe. This daily series is not delivering and is extremely unsatisfying. Your other experts sink their teeth into subjects far far better. I am very grateful and appreciative of all of Zoe's hard work to bring us the best science. This however does not fall into that category.
I would agree to a point. They didn't give more info because the science hasn't been done. So if they are being honest with fact and not opinion only they gave the best answer possible
There us no information to give you. That's why
Interesting watch, but both were clearly not very well informed on the carnivore diet and it's benefits. For starters the majority of people on the carnivore diet consume dairy and eggs, whilst also getting a lot of the required nutrients from organ meat, which is actually the most nutrient dense food on the planet. And they also didn't mention the massive benefits of overcoming autoimmune conditions on the carnivore diet as you treat it as the ultimate elimination diet. The one referenced the Inuits who eat 95% meat and mentioned they have surprisingly good health but then went on to dismiss that as likely due to the exertion of obtaining the foods.
And your qualifications would be????
What qualifications does he need to give you if he's just stating facts?
Can we have your studies that backs up everything you said ? Because of what I know there is no study. So the benefits you mention are only anecdotal
Sometimes it is better to remain silent and appear a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt
Starts the show, “so dr what foods can you eat on this diet” Dr’s reply “I haven’t seen a write up on it”.
Search for :
"For 2 million years, humans ate meat and little else - study:"
Personally, I eat almost no meat, I eat 2kg of plant foods per day, and some kefir. Even at that the subject is really interesting.
I'm a life long vegetarian, and I've been fascinated by the carnivore diet. This podcast from Zoe is exactly what I've been waiting for.... and I'm disappointed. Come on Zoe, I expect better. Still waiting for a fair discussion and refutation.
You’ve already proved you’re clueless, now you want more evidence in addition to what’s presented here?
You will have to wait forever, I'm sorry :(. And whether this user is 'clueless' or not doesn't make Christoper an honest man.
You've been "waiting for...refutation"? Apparently your mind is made up, so facts are of no use to you.
I have to agree, this "analysis" was almost entirely conclusory. I understand that Gardner doesn't like this diet but I would like him to be more analytic. Even on the microbiome part, is there any evidence? I assume there is, but I would like to hear it.
This was totaly bias not including the harvard research on carnivor or even a Carnivore Dr there are many nutritionist who are now also carnivore.
I read a number of years ago that Inuit populations pre westernisation, had almost no cancer, heart disease or diabetes. They had a diet very rich in saturated fats, omega-3 fats and protein no real plant matter. They lived short lives - life expectancy was likely to be no much over 50 years. Westernisation turned that on its head except for life expectancy due to diseases associated with western diets i.e. heart disease and diabetes.
And their skeletons have revealed severe osteoporosis. An excess of acid in the system (which apparently happens on a high protein diet) leaches calcium from bones.
Credit to Zoe for not taking this car crash of a video down.
Neil Barnard spouted similar plant-based made-up science on Diary of a CEO recently and they took the video down, such was the backlash from viewers.
Gardner's performance on Zoe has set his reputation back years (apart from those people who just accept what he says).
4:00 The only thing I sometimes crave on the carnivore diet is sugar but meals are so satisfying that it's easy to skip that most of the time.
5:55 About those large intestines - we have no cecum, that is where fiber is supposed to be digested. Hence bloated vegans.
8:50 My own n=1 study is the only one I need and it has been going for 5+ years now :)
That’s great. It’s a pity that some other commentators seem to dismiss the significant number of people for whom a carnivore diet has been revolutionary.
@@davidr1431 It is revolutionary mainly because you cut off ultraprocessed foods and heaps of sugar. I achieved the same results that carnivores present as the benefits of their diet but using diet composed mainly of plant foods. Same results. If you would add to carnivore diet veggies, fruits, nuts, legumes and whole grains you would achieve the same positive outcomes as with the meat alone.
@@wojtek1582 I agree that cutting out UPF is revolutionary.
I also don’t doubt that a mainly plant diet works for those for whom it works, just like I respect people who don’t eats plants and feel that works for them and is sustainable.
I advocate for freedom to eat as you choose, with unbiased information and research not driven by products, but by truth.
What I don’t like is the presentation of science as seen in this interview. Gardner should do better.
My brother did the carnivore diet for about a year and lost 100 pounds (350 to 250). He included meat, eggs, cream, butter and salt as per social media influencers. All of his metabolic markers improved, due to the weight loss and avoiding processed carbs. Once he went off due to missing other foods, he gained it all back.
And there is the biggest argument against Carnivore... Its not a diet that most people can maintain for life.
he gained it all back because the only protein diet is the typical yo yo diet
I could literally debunk every answer so easily 😂😂
There are so many cases of people going carnivore for long term and right of the bat they make assertions that are not rooted in science and didn't even bother to check with people that are on the diet.
I understand Dr Gardner is a vegan with an agenda but I also think it is his responsibility in the field that he is in to do unbiased research regardless of his moral or preconceived ideas.
He definitely has ideological presuppositions, and Zoe has a product to sell.
Very disappointing flippant attitude about what is driving people to the carnivore diet. In many ways it is proving to be the most manageable low carb diet. I expect more balance from
Zoe.
It's scientifically proven that the human body does not require carbs, so initially being afraid of this diet is ridiculous, moreover dairy products, eggs, are part of it, unless you are on the Lion diet, that said there are people who have been carnivores for 10 years, we never heard them complain.
Just one thing Ive noticed. This man has a lively fresh face with bright eyes. He looks so healthy. I have to say that the few people on a completely carnivore diet that I have also listened to look half dead, with dull eyes and lank hair. So even though they are saying they are so healthy, they dont look like it to me.
Perhaps we see what we want to see.
The success these people achieve with weight loss is a positive thing plus it's not very complicated that's part of the appeal. A lot of people don't like vegetables or they end up making smoothies out of them leading to all sorts of gut issues from overdosing. Some people just don't understand how to eat correctly that's the problem they need a handbook. Regardless they might be better off than eating processed junk. There maybe something to different blood type diets, maybe we need to revisit that topic. Or it could be a lack of diversity of gut flora and why they can't tolerate plants. I guess plants are boring to eat compared to meat for some people.
The first minute of the episode illustrates the major problem that I have with the so called experts of today. He says carnivore diet was invented as an excuse for people to eat lots of meat cause they like meat. Listen, Doctor, I am not carnivore and don't know if it is healthy in the long run but I DO know that the majority of people who are carnivore do so out of desperation to actually get to the root cause of serious health problems for which mainstream medicine raises shoulders still. LAst time I visited a GI doctor he suggested a new pill to take for life and had ZERO advice on the diet. So if so many people reversed diabetes or other conditions on this diet don't you think you guys at Stanford should maybe put a little dollars at work and actually do some studies? Maybe this diet can be used for a certain amount of time or maybe on and off to address certain conditions...who knows...But we both know that it is not "kosher" to say too many good things about meat at places like Stanford so what do I expect...
did you try talking to a dietician? carnivore diet is basically an elimination diet (the meat isnt special what is special is that you arent eating foods that dont work with your gut) and dieticians have been doing elimination diets for a long time (to help find serious food allergies for example); because if you follow that route instead of carnivore route you'll actually figure out what foods cause you issues.
opposed being pigeonholed into just eating meat, instead of eating normally minus the food that causes you issues.
even though most clinical doctors aren't trained on nutrition, that doesn't mean that the ones who are don't know what they are doing.
@@dennisward43 fodmap is meant to be temporary until the dysbiosis heals (SIBO etc..) then it will gradually re-introduce foods. My instinct says that carnivore is probably wise to be approached in the same manner: to do it until certain things in the body heal and then gradually re-introduce other stuff. I actually happen to believe there is no such thing as optimal diet. Humans evolve to ate whatever they could get hands on and did not live long enough to worry about metabolic diseases. So really the question is what do we want to prevent: diabetes, heart disease, SIBO, autoimmune disease, etc... personally I would do anything I could to avoid diabetes even if the proper diet for that may cause other side effects.
Please have this talk again with a carnivor expert
Like who, Shaun Baker? Lmao
But there are no 100yo carnivore expert, they are all dead.
There are plenty of Centenarian you can talk to, and they are not on carnivore diets.
You mean a carnivore grifter?
While there are plenty of people having some interesting results from Carnivore, I'm not convinced by the Carnivore Diet in the long term as of yet. I'd like to see long term results/repercussions first.
Having said that, Gardner sounded completely unprepared and unknowledgeable here. He didn't even bother looking into it enough to be able to define it. Seriously, a 10 minute Google search would have prepared him better.
I just watched a long video (create 9 months previous to this video) from Gardner showing he is clearly plant biased.
The video left out many important pieces of negative information against plants.
Now, within seconds of listening to Garner speak on this video, I already know he is completely clueless about meat and carnivore.
Which means his plant bias is even worse, because he is essentially researching it in isolation. REALLY REALLY BAD SCIENCE.
Now this man comes from Stanford university, which is known as one of the universities that is WOKE and pushing ideologies of the WEF (i.e. eat plants and not meat)
So sadly, this puts a HUGE dent in his ability to show he is a balanced insightful researcher.
And this video proves he is lacking.
He seems like a really nice guy, but when his funding forces him to arrives at conclusions in line with what the funder wants, then its value = ZERO.
3:14 they're saying their poop is better than before. They're saying they are more healthy. They're saying their skin has cleared and have accordingly called it the proper human diet
At 7mins. When the Inuit got access to other foods.
What happened?
They they joined the rest of the Western World and got ill !!!
Nobody's arguing the standard American diet isn't unhealthy. We all know that to be true.
Are you saying that one of the shortest living people started living even shorter?
The Inuits on average lived about 10 years shorter than the people in neighbouring countries
@@gudnikristinn Citation needed.
You can google for average life expectancy. Different Inuit tribes range from 60 to 70 years, while most countries are around 80. But I would expect it to be more complicated - like they live in harsher conditions, have bad access to hospitals (often need to take long rides with trains and such), so they are trying to home-treat diseases more often, more children die... It makes your statistics look bad and it's not really related to food. I'm not aware of a study which would compare meat eaters to bean eaters or sugar eaters in the same conditions...
Like... Africans have the same life expectancy as Inuits (around 65 years) and they are not carnivores - just have worse life conditions and worse hospitals (who knows what else). So it's not like you can blame food for that.
@fadingintent this ^. Thanks for doing the heavy lifting. When you see life expectancy data, it is all cause mortality, NOT mortality from _metabolic_ disease. Dying in childbirth sure skews an average.
I'd be interested to know what the Zoe team and Prof. Christopher Gardner think of Jayne Buxton's book, _The Great Plant-Based Con: Why eating a plants-only diet won't improve your health or save the planet_ and her You Tube interview on the topic: ua-cam.com/video/MijDOHNoC3o/v-deo.html
Just to leave some feedback.. I really enjoy this channel but find this series a little puzzling. What exactly is the point? No studies being provided just a bunch of opinion really. I realize having been of fan of Zoe for some time now, Christopher Gardner runs a lot of studies at Stanford.. that's why I'm surprised there's not "... and here's the data that helped me formulate this opinion...". I myself have converted to a heavily plant based diet (probably 95% or more of what I eat). I am however aware of some people that report great results on a carnivore diet. We know that for example seafood has a lot of health benefits because they tend to eat things like seaweed. That's why fish is a good source of Omega 3, so isn't the same true of meat? If the animals we eat are eating plants (grass fed beef for example) can't humans benefit from those plants second hand?
Wow, what a slap in the face to indiginous peoples of the great plains who lived primarily on bison, with a smattering of berries, etc. These people performed feats of endurance that completely and routinely outclassed the grain eaters of the industrialized government that sought to conquer them. It required the near extinction of the animal they survived on in order to defeat them.
Smattering of plant, fine, but being hooked into a glyphosate soaked, industrial agriculture is a public health disaster unlike anything in history.
Ironically IARC labelled Glysophate a 2A carcinogen, just like red meat. It seems kinda ironic that you seem able to attack one but not the other.
And where is the data that they lived "primarily on bison", ever heard of corn?
And 95% of the indiginous people got killed by something as simple as small pox, so maybe you should get a reality check and stop spreading misinformation online.
@@dennisward43 100%
ZOE I am SO disappointed with this video. I was on the fence about carnivore and finally decided to try it and see how it worked. And guess what? I lost weight without trying, and have definitely felt better mentally and physically than I have with a very balanced and “healthy" diet. Before you start bashing the diet - try it! I am not hungry on carnivore as protein and fat are filling. And eggs, cheese and butter are absolutely allowed on a carnivore diet. Was I surprised? Absolutely. And I am happy to suggest to friends to try it themselves and see how they feel.
After being first keto and then carnivore for about 6 years, I 100% agree with Gardner.
Do you think he showed understanding of what the carnivore diet is in this podcast?
Never done carnivore, but i know it varies, from just eating steak to snout to tail, where eggs, milk, stomach contents are eaten, then raw carnivore, so enzymes are consumed. Degrees of saturated fat differ, from what an animal eats, to what part of the animal you eat. It puts some perspective to where the omnivore diet can improve by dispelling lies. (As does vegan) i wouldnt do either, maybe vegan for a short period to evaluate performance, or carnivore as an elimination diet, then gradually reintroduce
Geez...the blind leading the blind!
I used to like and watch this channel and think they were knowledgeable- not anymore, this one shows how ignorant they really are. Tons of evidence and studies showing the opposite of what this guy is parroting
What Studies?
References, please.
There are no scientific studies.
Where are the tons of studies?? Why dont chafee, saladino and baker come together and do a documentary?
Zoe -did you think a vegetarian prof is going to talk about the virtues of Carnivore diet? You need to get someone on who knows about the diet -and that heart attacks are caused by inflammation-not saturated fats. This is 2024 not the 70's. You think early man ate grass? Try Dr Ken Berry or Dr Westman or Dr Lustig -who can explain to you that sugar causes (plays a major role) metabolic diseases. Let's be fair and balanced or at least try??
Shawn Baker is the man, and given his physic, i'd rather trust Shawn on dietary advice.
5+ years carnivore and this is what I fixed: No more loose teeth, bleeding gums, sensitive teeth, blocked sinuses, mouth breathing, left eye twitches, heartburn, calf cramps, yellow stool, blood in stool, edema below the knees, pain in feet when walking, I can stay out in the sun longer without burning or peeling, lower back stiff/pain-twinge free since Nov 2022 after an operation in 2005
So he is saying carnivores are liars.
We defiy his retoric yet despite being more aware about the turn about in health professionals opinions across the board as more and more people are reversing and purtting conditions into remission many of whom have tried palio, mediterainian and vegan/ vegitarian life styles in the past an it dint work. The lab work over extended time does not lie. No more need to take any suppliments and having better kidney and liver function. With less c reactive and inflamation should show what happens. Post menopausal women building muscle looking ten years younger. Glowing skin and lovely healthy hair without fungal infectios or psoriasis is the proof . Inflamatory arthritis resolved apart from previous bone damage caused by earlier diet. No need for hormone replacement and improvement in mental health.
Those ppl saying Zoe u shud have done better bcus there's no scientific evidence, don't know what they're saying. Like as if what is said isn't SCIENCE 😂. This Vid is straight to the point as usual, where the best minds in the medical field say their opinion. Some of y'all even masking as vegan to degrade this video.
I can belive the concept of a Flexitarian Diet was not mentioned. I find a small amount of meat changes the taste dramatically in an otherwise vegetarian dish.
One diet a session was the premise, flexitarianmight still come.
As far as the Eskimo lifestyle is concerned, I read the books by Dr. Edward Howell, a specialist on digestive enzymes and he dug into that. He said that while the Eskimos lived primarily on meat, about the only time they ate plant foods was when they would eat the little plant food that they would find in the stomachs of the animals like caribou. Second, while they ate lots of meat, they did not cook the meat, but they would actually allow the meat to rot until it would become more like a soup. In this manner, the Eskimos kept their enzyme bank account in tact. In other words, they preserved their enzymes. Just like the profesor said, excess protein is converted into carbohydrates. The Eskimos also ate lots of fat, as nothing was wasted.
My understanding is that they didn't live that long, tho
You could have asked your guest to do some research on what it means to be following a carnivore diet: there are plenty of publications, if not research studies, on it. And to assume that eating just meat makes you constipated is just a biased and ignorant perspective, that takes away credibility from this guest’s contribution. How disappointing, Zoe!
Very sad to see this reviewer really didn't know the subject being discussed.
The reason the carnivore diet has become popular is because it works.
Chritopher Gardener knows the Carnivore diet has great outcomes and has heard the reasearch at a debate in a UK univercity. There was him and a vegan who both had no science behing him apposed to Dr Chaffee Nurologist who clearly outlined studies and the affect of fiber on the gut. Dr chaffee presented the data from studies and was not making assumptions as he has thousands of Patients doing great on Carnivore for years.
Neurologist*
I used to like Chaffe but then i saw him debate Matthew Nagra...
Chaffee is such a hack. Did you see him get absolutely destroyed by Mathew Naga? It was embarassing.
@@humanoid8344 I doubt you saw that whole debate. Nothing Nagra said was noteworthy.
@@philhunt168 you got that on the wrong way mate. Nagra got annoyed and pitched high and still couldn't win.
Zoe is losing credibility with each video by Gardner.
He's a vegan zealot.
@@gmnotyet@gmnotyet He's not "exposed" the carnivore diet; he's exposed himself.
How can he possibly talk about this subject when he has not even tried it. Many people with T2 Diabetes have gone off all meds and have reversed their disease. I myself just started to try it out and see. Well, it's been 4 months now and still going strong. My exercising has not suffered but actually has gotten better. Totally satiated after eating. I eat when i am actually hungry, which ends up being twice a day. I have added small amounts of fermented foods as well; so it would then be called ketovore diet. I've tried clean vegan for 6 months, 2 years ago. Felt great the 1st month then afterwards always felt bloated, aching joints and brain fog. For me, not sustainable. I honestly think different people do well on differing types of diets. Oh, and on the constipation point that he brought up... never constipated. Actually the opposite when i started out and my body got accustonmed to it. Used to go every day, now every 3 days. Oh ya, blood pressure has gone from 122/82 to 110/72. No up and down glucose spikes either. He really should truly study this more himself. Yes, we all get hung up on our way of eating if it's going well for us. Can't site it, but i also read that everyone's gut micobiome is different and in the future, treatments of individuals' ailments will be based on their own micobiome. Makes sense to my non-Professor mind. Sorry for the long rant.
Its amazing to me to hear an expert say something isn't sustainable, when people are clearly sustaining it.
As a former vegan/vegetarian, and currently a carnivore going on 5 years+, I can tell you these guys are full of non digestible fiber
that isn't veganism
Sadly, Im very disappointed by the lack of references and scientific papers. DrGardner just throws a series of assumptions, beliefs and half baked declarations…. It’s sad in a way because it lower the credibility.
Presumably, studies don't exist because they would be unethical.
@@dudmanjohn Thousands and thousands of peoples already eat carnivore, so from where I stand , it’s a lost opportunity of creating strong datas all because of strong assumptions.
The IARC/WHO classified processed meat as a Group 1 carcinogen, the same category as tobacco smoking and asbestos, period.
Gardner actually used that excuse in other interviews, oh it would be unethical to do that! Notice that he is saying that self reports are not very reliable! ? You mean like food questionaires? Then he says, no one will volunteer to do a comparison study ,so, well that's that, it can't be done! Unless ,as suggested below, you actually pull your head out of your,..... cubicle and RECRUIT ACTUAL CARNIVORES AND ACTUAL VEGANS AND STUDY THEM , HEAD TO HEAD! But, please understand, he will never do that, because, he can hide behind his credentials and say oh, it wouldn't be ethical!! You hypocrite!!! This guy is. AFRAID to do the study because he knows the carnivore study will not show the results he wznts! He is vegan and is afraid of the truth! Water fast with salt for forty days like True North Clinic has patients do, eating NO carbs, no fruits, no grains, and no legumes, fueled only by the bodies own fat stores, and improving exponentially!!! Then tell us HOW ESSENTIAL ARE CARBS FOR NUTRITION???
@@starmanjesus5679 3 things. 1- I’m NOT defending the Carnivore Diet
2- No arguments, no insinuations was directed toward processed meats. Sadly including, mixing processed meats in studies lower tremendously the value of those studies because it seems clear that processed XYZ is more often than not, suboptimal or detrimental . Same logic to any highly processed foods imo.
3- My comments was towards the intervention of Dr Gardner. I was hoping for so much more…. Big let down imo. (No substance…. The power of any intervention, any arguments doesn’t come from any titles ones have (Appeal to Authority) but comes from the proofs you bring to the table.
Out of all the videos I’ve watched on this channel. This one is the most ridiculous. People have been on a carnivore diet for years! Their health has improved significantly since cutting out plants. So dismiss them, and there are a lot of people on carnivore, is just baffling. There are people who do amazing on a very plant based diet and believe it or not there are plenty of people who are doing great on a no plant diet.
“Red meat consumption was significantly associated with greater risk of
breast cancer (RR = 1.09; 95% CI = 1.03-1.15),
endometrial cancer (RR = 1.25; 95% CI = 1.01-1.56),
colorectal cancer (RR = 1.10; 95% CI = 1.03-1.17),
colon cancer (RR = 1.17; 95% CI = 1.09-1.25),
rectal cancer (RR = 1.22; 95% CI = 1.01-1.46),
lung cancer (RR = 1.26; 95% CI = 1.09-1.44),
and hepatocellular carcinoma (RR = 1.22; 95% CI = 1.01-1.46)”
Farvid, M.S., Sidahmed, E., Spence, N.D. et al. Consumption of red meat and processed meat and cancer incidence: a systematic review and meta-analysis of prospective studies. Eur J Epidemiol 36, 937-951 (2021). doi.org/10.1007/s10654-021-00741-9
I generally eat carnivore meals 1-2 times per day. Lost 66 pounds and resolved two decades of irritable bowel. Best health of my life at 47. Nothing unsustainable about it.
it's an elimination diet. And ecologically it is absolutely destructive and not sustainable in any way
Great to hear. IBS is horrible. Relief from it must be so liberating.
I am salicylate sensitive, so for me it is really necessary to be able to live a normal life.
The best diet is always going to be what we primarily evolved on. I.e meat with fat. The more you divert from it the less healthy you will be.
Carnivore diet is better with variety, got it. Thanks doc! 😉 Eggs, fish, meat, organ meats, maybe some high fat dairy if tolerable. 👍
Dairy cross reacts with gluten so not good.
I learned yesterday that protein changes into sugar inside us.
Aaaanyway!
I'm not a lion.
carnivore diet is not a diet is a nonsense like your comment
Sounds about as varied as a portfolio of Microsoft, Meta, Google and Amazon.
Eggs and dairy are not meat, therefore not carnivore (unless the egg has a developing embryo in it - unhatched chick, fishling, etc).
@@kazoz3520 There are degrees of carnivore just like there are degrees of low carb. Some people start out eating meat only, then introduce other animal products such as eggs and dairy later on.
There are people who claim to only eat meat - the lion diet.
There are people who claim to thrive on this diet. Until they are studied . . .
So Chris wants studies, and isn't willing to do the kind of studies needed. hmm
What I really don't understand is that why go to any extremity at all, why not just eat a balanced diet of veg and non veg food. In my experience any extremity with anything in life is bad for you.
well eating animal products is causing ecological destruction so it should be avoided, and that's not even talking about the ethics
Some people do the carnivore diet because they are incredibly sensitive of plant foods, some people do it because they find it cures health issues that they've had, and very tiny percentage of people do it because they only want to eat meat and nothing else. While I think it is a bit restrictive to most people, it is a diet that has been used in our evolutionary past and some tribal groups ate a very high animal-based diet. Keep in mind that many foods that we eat today simply wouldn't have been available/ wouldn't have existed (been bred) before agriculture.
Actually its all of them. All of out modern fruit and vegetables have been bred over 100,000 years until we got something palletable for humans. They may have been something similar before but the things we have right now don't exist in nature at all. Even the "wild" fruit has also be touched by the ancient hand of forgotten civillisations.
It's truly astonishing how ignorant on nutrition this professor of medicine is and just as astonishing that ZOE is giving him a platform
Zoe is heavily plant-biased and anti-red meat and saturated fat. Their product and Prof Gardner’s values coincide.
It would be handy to know more about people with T2D or immune issues...
Can they be healthy eating a small amount of grass-fed meat in addition to RDA fiber veg and fruit and nuts, for instance?
Have a read of your comments... and maybe do this topic again but with, ya know... someone that understands the Carnivore diet!
Maybe get Dr Chaffee on? Or any of the others? Just someone that UNDERSTANDS the actual diet being discussed!
Then you can debate!
There is no debate because there is no data.
We have tons of data showing high meat consumption is linked to higher mortality and diseases. The majority of studies show this.
And then we have almost every study ever done on the most common edible plants, showing how they increase life expectancy.
Given this knowledge, you want to have a debate on if nothing but meat is healthy.
...and what you have to back up the carnivore diet are collection's of anecdotes nobody can verify, and doctors that are saying things about heart disease etc, that nobody in their field agrees with.
Maybe somehow in 40 years carnivore dieters were correct and we will find out they actually live longer. We might also learn that the Earth actually is flat and Scientology is actually the true religion.
Where is the data?
Poor self reporting studies or meta analysis of meta analysis based on questions of what person x ate two years ago?
Or imposing meat is bad when you put meat in the same group who consume pizza, lasagna or burgers?
Laughable bad science.
@@gudnikristinn ASSOCIATED, like shark attacks and ice cream sales.
@@gmnotyet There is no such thing as absolute proof in diet science.
What we can do is look at population data and examine the longest living cultures like 'The Blue Zones, and find correlations.
Or we can follow groups of people for as long as possible while following their diet, and look at who does best...other lifestyle factors are usually taken into account.
When plant based diets always show great results and meat heavy diets always show poor results, its actually quite dumb to think adding more meat was what was needed.
The most important data is always the actual human outcome data and building assurance over hundreds or thousands of studies.
Low amounts of non processed meat, and fish in general is not associated with higher mortality if that makes you feel any better
@@gudnikristinn nonsense. Most of, if not all of the studies you talk about are low quality observational studies with huge bias. One of the worst types of study.
It's very telling that people are defending having someone that knows nothing about a diet, talking about a diet... it just doesn't make any sense jahaha