Actually we do Cap.It says clearly that he has been around the world training. Remember when Vicki and Knox was in that room and he had all that stuff. He said he got that statue from Japan. That implies that he has been around the world training. At least to me it always did. I always found it that simple.
My favorite movie of all time in general, I really grew up with the 89 movie just like Batman Mask of the Phantasm, Keaton and Nicholson were epic as Batman and The Joker and the music by Danny Elfman was masterful.
I've watched this movie 100's of times it's so rewatcable and quotable. The score, the atmosphere, jack Nicholson being jack Nicholson In joker makeup and the prince music 😍.
I think that this Batman may have traveled around the world. That room with all the suits of armor may be a clue. He does say that he bought that one piece of armor in Japan.
This is still my favourite Batman solo film. And by "don't think that I didn't try" I think Joker meant he tried to get over being dropped in the chemicals and being disfigured.
Love this movie and always will. This is how I was introduced to Batman when I was 4 years old and I watched it all the time. The reason I love Batman and DC comics in general!!
13:06 It’s the same as you hear it in the final film. If you want to hear the real “rougher and more raw” version of that line, listen to the beginning of the Prince Batman album.
Batman being late makes sense because she didn't know where the date was, just that it was happening. He probably stopped by her place to look for clues to where she was going.
What did you guys -- and other people here -- think about their having the Joker being the killer of Bruce Wayne's parents? I think it's kind of a cool touch -- like a mythic circle. In the comics it was Joe Chill. But personally, I'd prefer the killer to remain forever unknown, just a nameless street thug who created Batman --- and the mystery would forever haunt him, and drive him.
Bruce could have been late to the museum for several possible reasons. We don't know what time Vicki called, or what time Alfred got the message off of the answering machine. It could have been early evening, and she could have been at the museum already by the time Alfred relayed the message to Bruce. Plus I kind of believe Bruce was at the museum the whole time as Batman scoping out the place from the outside waiting to see who setup this fake meeting with Vicki. If a guy called your girlfriend/wife claiming to be you, the first thing to go through your mind would be that he is a stalker and dangerous, so you would want to suit up if you we're a superhero and take him out. Not to mention when he saw the Joker and his henchmen show up, he would need a few minutes to come with a plan of escape. He couldn't take on 10+ guys at once. Just my theory.
It's a shame we'll never get another movie with this aesthetic and music again, just in general. Let alone a movie with this aesthetic and a good story.
ColetheAero If you're talking like that then yeah we won't get another one like this cause every filmmaker wants to put their own spin on the material. That's fine as long as we get great stories & characterizations.
I'd just like to apologize for the toxic comments I've left on your videos, particularly you Marvel Mania series, you guys work hard to put out this content and dont deserve that. I'm sorry.
Rider I have to say I have stopped watching a lot of geekvolution videos because of the toxic comments was getting bad. But good for you for apologizing. :)
He can move his neck. In an interview with Keaton somewhere, he said that moving his head would cause a gap between cowl and his face due to the fabric and it looked weird.
When I was little, I thought the laughing bag was telling the audience that the Joker that fell wasn't really the Joker. I thought the bag was a recording of his voice that got damaged when he fell. So, in my mind, the Joker had a fake Joker do everything in the Church with a bag in his pocket that projected a recording of his voice while he escaped to do something else.
38:40 You’re being confused with what Lorenzo Semple, Jr. said about the TV series not detailing his origin beyond a mere mention in the first episode. Hamm said that Batman’s credibility would destroyed if you told the origin story in full detail at the beginning, as the Mankiewicz script did.
The bullet just "grazed" Bruce's coat on the city hall steps. They never tried to imply he's walking around fully armored up at all times. Just like in Vale's apartment. Also, Joker does not have an apartment. He lives in the Axis Chemicals plant. That's just an area of it he decorated up a bit. Good catch on the ridiculous question from Bruce on the dinner date. She WAS just there! Why would she have trouble finding the house. Over 35 viewings, never caught that till you pointed it out. Man.
Actually, in the script, the money was suppose to be 1 dollar bills with the Jokers face on it, which would be a reference to the diner Joker and Vicki had where she asked him what he wanted
...The *soundtrack* that Prince did for "89" is a bit cleverer than most give it credit for. It's a look into the minds of the four characters--Batman, Bruce Wayne, Joker, Vicki--as hosted by "Gemini," a half Batman/half Joker construct. Now if only I could find "200 Balloons..."
?? will you guuys eventually do aJames Bond commentary series like this one and Marvel? 21:37 series I am a fan of Eric old YT channel when he talked about James Bond
Batman being late to rescue Vicki is worse, because in the novelization, when Vicki is investigating Bruce, it turns out that the drive from Wayne Manor to Gotham City is 10 minutes.
Cap and Eric! Re-Animator is getting rebooted this year as Re-Animator: Evolution! Now, that subtitle alone should lower expectations, but it's also a modern take, and Combs isn't returning, so I think it'll be really watered down and throwaway.
Was never a big fan of Tim Burton Batman. I grew up watching the Justice League cartoon on TV and renting the vhs & dvds of animated Batman and Batman Beyond at Blockbuster so I developed my idea of who Batman is well before I got around to watching this film as a kid. I have grown to appreciate the significance of the Tim Burton Batman films but in my opinion they are not great.
Edward Bedor I have very much the same, I was born around a year after Batman and Robin came out, and my first exposure to Batman was the Batman from the Animated Universe. Then the first live-action Batman movie I watched was Forever. I didn't see this until after watching the two Schumacher movies
I got to disagree with Eric about Joker's dialogue, there's a Mark Hamill impressionist on youtube who has done some of Jack's lines and they all fit., even if you're not a fan of Jack's performance the Joker dialogue is pretty solid. ua-cam.com/video/D9JTPd9tb8Y/v-deo.html
Batman 89 is my favorite Batman/superhero movie of all time. I new almost every line of this great film and must have watched it over 100 times. Sure it is a little dated but you cannot dispute the impact that it had on pop culture. It also revitalized Batman and helped give us Batman the Animated series which is my favorite animated series of all time as well. What is not to like about this film? It has a great performance by Jack Nicholson as the Joker. It's dark, campy and Gothic. :)
I think Bruce did explain by saying he got the statues in Japan, which could be one of the places he trained, and I believe the money was fake-maybe I remember that from the novelization or maybe the comic adaption? Not sure
You are absolutely correct. Both the novelization and the comic adaptation worked from earlier drafts, and they described the Washington faces rubbing off to reveal the Joker underneath.
(the following comment concerns what the Captain said regarding Eric and a certain Bob Kane shortly after 20:05) Having hate for any person or thing is never good.
Jon Peters supposedly put the cathedral climax in the movie without Tim Burton's knowledge. I've heard that as an explanation as to why the final act seems rushed and confused.
Cap, I think you've misinterpreted the moment when Vicki asks Bruce where she can find Bruce Wayne. He's not saying it for no reason, it's a joke. He takes a pause because how could anyone NOT know that he's Bruce Wayne. Same goes for the "Did you have trouble finding the house?" line.
The whole problem with it is that it's Batman. The script---and, therefore, the narrative--desperately wants to treat "Bruce Wayne = Batman" *as the twist* (as did "The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde") but, owing to the character's status, it plays out as a foregone conclusion. That iconic "I'M BATMAN" thing is what does it for me. It almost feels like it comes in too early...something _Begins_ got right, by holding out, holding out.
It’s interesting that you make a reference to Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, because modern interpretations of that story suffer from the exact same problem of having the mystery element removed due to the character/story’s iconic status. I’d also recommend reading “Batman: Two Faces”, because it actually solves this narrative issue by literally combining the stories of Bruce Wayne and Henry Jekyll together......
I think in the script and the comic adaptation, the money the Joker throws are all fake Joker dollars. Pretty sure it was a pay-off for the "My face on the one-dollar bill" line.
Eric I have the same thing, a lot of my disdain for this movie comes from people trying to tell me that this is as good as or better than The Nolan stuff, and that really irritates me
Bryan Uhl And I get why people might like this film over the Dark Knight, but it's the fact that NC tried to break it down critically and then made lame ass excuses for 89. He actually gave that film the edge in terms of the supporting cast. WTF?! And his pretending that 89 is deeper than it actually was annoyed me as well.
I still love this movie. I am sorry but I still have a special place for this movie. I still like Keaton as Batman. But I appreciate other opinions. As long as there not hostile. Which I love this commentary for. I hated Batman Returns by the way.
its a shame this was recorded ahead of time now that you guys have read the original 1 draft .. i guess there's one more batman 89 commentary in you XD
I saw this movie at the BFI IMAX this past September and wow it enhanced so much of the movie, but yeah I agree that scene made no sense. Why does Joker show up at Vikkis place? How does he know where she lives lol
Logan interrupts Eric and is rude waaaaaaay too much, so much so as a famous (and anonymous podcaster it is both offensive and off putting) I’m finding myself as a first time viewer wishing Eric would talk over Logan and finish his original sentences. It’s truly distracting as someone that is an audience member. Also, if Logan is reading these comments, reach out...I have a podcast. Logan I have 5.9 million subscribers...I would love to have you on, I would interview you and just talk to you no phones, no distractions just a one on one video conversation with you; my interviews have proven to triple the subscriptions of my interviewees that I have on.
Actually we do Cap.It says clearly that he has been around the world training. Remember when Vicki and Knox was in that room and he had all that stuff. He said he got that statue from Japan. That implies that he has been around the world training. At least to me it always did. I always found it that simple.
My favorite movie of all time in general, I really grew up with the 89 movie just like Batman Mask of the Phantasm, Keaton and Nicholson were epic as Batman and The Joker and the music by Danny Elfman was masterful.
I've watched this movie 100's of times it's so rewatcable and quotable.
The score, the atmosphere, jack Nicholson being jack Nicholson In joker makeup and the prince music 😍.
I think that this Batman may have traveled around the world. That room with all the suits of armor may be a clue. He does say that he bought that one piece of armor in Japan.
This is still my favourite Batman solo film. And by "don't think that I didn't try" I think Joker meant he tried to get over being dropped in the chemicals and being disfigured.
Love this movie and always will. This is how I was introduced to Batman when I was 4 years old and I watched it all the time. The reason I love Batman and DC comics in general!!
13:06 It’s the same as you hear it in the final film. If you want to hear the real “rougher and more raw” version of that line, listen to the beginning of the Prince Batman album.
Batman being late makes sense because she didn't know where the date was, just that it was happening. He probably stopped by her place to look for clues to where she was going.
What did you guys -- and other people here -- think about their having the Joker being the killer of Bruce Wayne's parents? I think it's kind of a cool touch -- like a mythic circle. In the comics it was Joe Chill. But personally, I'd prefer the killer to remain forever unknown, just a nameless street thug who created Batman --- and the mystery would forever haunt him, and drive him.
Bruce could have been late to the museum for several possible reasons. We don't know what time Vicki called, or what time Alfred got the message off of the answering machine. It could have been early evening, and she could have been at the museum already by the time Alfred relayed the message to Bruce. Plus I kind of believe Bruce was at the museum the whole time as Batman scoping out the place from the outside waiting to see who setup this fake meeting with Vicki. If a guy called your girlfriend/wife claiming to be you, the first thing to go through your mind would be that he is a stalker and dangerous, so you would want to suit up if you we're a superhero and take him out. Not to mention when he saw the Joker and his henchmen show up, he would need a few minutes to come with a plan of escape. He couldn't take on 10+ guys at once. Just my theory.
Am I the only one here who is a BIG Prince fan?
It's a shame we'll never get another movie with this aesthetic and music again, just in general. Let alone a movie with this aesthetic and a good story.
ColetheAero Dude Blade Runner 2049 just came out a few months ago.
Well, I meant a Batman movie, but. . .
ColetheAero If you're talking like that then yeah we won't get another one like this cause every filmmaker wants to put their own spin on the material. That's fine as long as we get great stories & characterizations.
ColetheAero not to mention the music was amazing Tim burton did the movie justice and the Batmobile was kickass
I'd just like to apologize for the toxic comments I've left on your videos, particularly you Marvel Mania series, you guys work hard to put out this content and dont deserve that. I'm sorry.
Rider I have to say I have stopped watching a lot of geekvolution videos because of the toxic comments was getting bad. But good for you for apologizing. :)
Rider That's great that you've had a change of heart.
Good job man
I'm so glad they just added all these on Netflix
I guess Netflix heard Geekvolution was doing Batmania and wanted people to be able to watch along
thanks for the hint
Batman 1966 isn't on Netflix.
He can move his neck. In an interview with Keaton somewhere, he said that moving his head would cause a gap between cowl and his face due to the fabric and it looked weird.
When I was little, I thought the laughing bag was telling the audience that the Joker that fell wasn't really the Joker. I thought the bag was a recording of his voice that got damaged when he fell. So, in my mind, the Joker had a fake Joker do everything in the Church with a bag in his pocket that projected a recording of his voice while he escaped to do something else.
That's pretty cool good imagination
38:40 You’re being confused with what Lorenzo Semple, Jr. said about the TV series not detailing his origin beyond a mere mention in the first episode. Hamm said that Batman’s credibility would destroyed if you told the origin story in full detail at the beginning, as the Mankiewicz script did.
The bullet just "grazed" Bruce's coat on the city hall steps. They never tried to imply he's walking around fully armored up at all times. Just like in Vale's apartment. Also, Joker does not have an apartment. He lives in the Axis Chemicals plant. That's just an area of it he decorated up a bit. Good catch on the ridiculous question from Bruce on the dinner date. She WAS just there! Why would she have trouble finding the house. Over 35 viewings, never caught that till you pointed it out. Man.
When you need to go to sleep because of work in the morning and this has just been posted... XD
KiramidHead same. Reading doomsday clock as well
Most quotable line: “Hello, legs!”
Conner Nielsen "I'm reading your stuff." "I'm reading yours!"
"Filthy rich. You know why they're so odd? Because they can afford to be. I mean look at this mirror. Maybe it should be Bruce Vain."
“Will you marry me?”
“No.”
“Will you buy me lunch?”
“Maybe.”
“I eat lunch!”
This town needs an enema!
I eat light*😉
Actually, in the script, the money was suppose to be 1 dollar bills with the Jokers face on it, which would be a reference to the diner Joker and Vicki had where she asked him what he wanted
Dylan theVillain Ahhh now I wish they'd kept that in XD
Dude michael keaton did train you can see when vicky and Knox go to a room and bruce says he bought it in japan
In the comic book version of this , its dollar bills with joker's face on it? it fits to what joker said to vicky vale earlier....
Keaton's Batman voice reminds me of Charlie Cox's voice for Daredevil.
...The *soundtrack* that Prince did for "89" is a bit cleverer than most give it credit for. It's a look into the minds of the four characters--Batman, Bruce Wayne, Joker, Vicki--as hosted by "Gemini," a half Batman/half Joker construct.
Now if only I could find "200 Balloons..."
?? will you guuys eventually do aJames Bond commentary series like this one and Marvel? 21:37 series I am a fan of Eric old YT channel when he talked about James Bond
Pat O'Malley I would so love that. Call it "BONDEMONIUM"
Batman being late to rescue Vicki is worse, because in the novelization, when Vicki is investigating Bruce, it turns out that the drive from Wayne Manor to Gotham City is 10 minutes.
Cap and Eric! Re-Animator is getting rebooted this year as Re-Animator: Evolution! Now, that subtitle alone should lower expectations, but it's also a modern take, and Combs isn't returning, so I think it'll be really watered down and throwaway.
Was never a big fan of Tim Burton Batman. I grew up watching the Justice League cartoon on TV and renting the vhs & dvds of animated Batman and Batman Beyond at Blockbuster so I developed my idea of who Batman is well before I got around to watching this film as a kid. I have grown to appreciate the significance of the Tim Burton Batman films but in my opinion they are not great.
Edward Bedor I have very much the same, I was born around a year after Batman and Robin came out, and my first exposure to Batman was the Batman from the Animated Universe. Then the first live-action Batman movie I watched was Forever. I didn't see this until after watching the two Schumacher movies
Have to agree with you. I think superheroes are best served in half-hour installments.
My favorite Batmobile for me is the TAS one. My only complaint is that it's a bit too long.
Sean Young is the Name of the actress, she made Tim Burton hide under his desk
If it wasn’t for Batman (1989) I wouldn’t have a crush on Kim Basinger
I got to disagree with Eric about Joker's dialogue, there's a Mark Hamill impressionist on youtube who has done some of Jack's lines and they all fit., even if you're not a fan of Jack's performance the Joker dialogue is pretty solid. ua-cam.com/video/D9JTPd9tb8Y/v-deo.html
What's the The Dark Knight Returns reference you are mentioning at 1:37:41?
Is the font you used for BATMANIA available to download?
Batman 89 is my favorite Batman/superhero movie of all time. I new almost every line of this great film and must have watched it over 100 times. Sure it is a little dated but you cannot dispute the impact that it had on pop culture. It also revitalized Batman and helped give us Batman the Animated series which is my favorite animated series of all time as well. What is not to like about this film? It has a great performance by Jack Nicholson as the Joker. It's dark, campy and Gothic. :)
I think Bruce did explain by saying he got the statues in Japan, which could be one of the places he trained, and I believe the money was fake-maybe I remember that from the novelization or maybe the comic adaption? Not sure
You are absolutely correct. Both the novelization and the comic adaptation worked from earlier drafts, and they described the Washington faces rubbing off to reveal the Joker underneath.
20:28 Bob Kane never drew or wrote a comic in his entire life. his career is a fraud.
Was that your username before this video? Either way, good work. Fuck Bob Kane. He deserves credit for the initial concept but fuck Bob Kane.
Donny St.Pierre He was actually a artist but he wasn’t the full credit
If "Bob Kane Is A Fraud" was referring to one of the creators of Batman, then he or she was completely wrong.
Bob Kane was nothing but a money grabbing piece of shit, who didn't want to give Bill Finger even a simple credit because it would hurt his pockets
^Messages like this one (the one above mine) are shameful, disgusting, inconsiderate, and possibly defamatory.
This is a brilliant film. I just love the pathos and catharsis of the layered story.
Begone, imposter!
Conner Nielsen, Be gone in general as far as I'm concerned
That's not the real Steve Baxi lol. But it would be dope if the real one did return to Geekvolution but I think he has problems with Eric.
redguard hammerfell He doesn't want to come back and I hope he doesn't.
SolarDragon007 why?
(the following comment concerns what the Captain said regarding Eric and a certain Bob Kane shortly after 20:05)
Having hate for any person or thing is never good.
Jon Peters supposedly put the cathedral climax in the movie without Tim Burton's knowledge. I've heard that as an explanation as to why the final act seems rushed and confused.
8:06 - Somehow I knew you were going to mention that! :-)
- ToonMobb.
I really love this intro music, and I hate this movie so this'll be a fun watch
My Favourite comic book movie.
Cap, I think you've misinterpreted the moment when Vicki asks Bruce where she can find Bruce Wayne. He's not saying it for no reason, it's a joke. He takes a pause because how could anyone NOT know that he's Bruce Wayne. Same goes for the "Did you have trouble finding the house?" line.
Vicki Vale is one of my favorite Batman love interest
2021 The Binge Continues.
2024 The Binge Continues
35:16 Umm... he said he bought the Japanese armor in Japan and I hope you know that’s not in America.
It's funny because that's a line from the movie and Cap also had real nuts.
The whole problem with it is that it's Batman. The script---and, therefore, the narrative--desperately wants to treat "Bruce Wayne = Batman" *as the twist* (as did "The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde") but, owing to the character's status, it plays out as a foregone conclusion.
That iconic "I'M BATMAN" thing is what does it for me. It almost feels like it comes in too early...something _Begins_ got right, by holding out, holding out.
It’s interesting that you make a reference to Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, because modern interpretations of that story suffer from the exact same problem of having the mystery element removed due to the character/story’s iconic status. I’d also recommend reading “Batman: Two Faces”, because it actually solves this narrative issue by literally combining the stories of Bruce Wayne and Henry Jekyll together......
I remember the secret ending that Eric describes.
I think in the script and the comic adaptation, the money the Joker throws are all fake Joker dollars. Pretty sure it was a pay-off for the "My face on the one-dollar bill" line.
Eric I have the same thing, a lot of my disdain for this movie comes from people trying to tell me that this is as good as or better than The Nolan stuff, and that really irritates me
Bryan Uhl Nostalgia Critic's "Old vs New" video about this film was pure fuckery.
SolarDragon007 I remember watching that. He must've been using that Product X
Bryan Uhl And I get why people might like this film over the Dark Knight, but it's the fact that NC tried to break it down critically and then made lame ass excuses for 89. He actually gave that film the edge in terms of the supporting cast. WTF?! And his pretending that 89 is deeper than it actually was annoyed me as well.
Batman? I thought this film was about Jack Nicholson in clown make up.
I still love this movie. I am sorry but I still have a special place for this movie. I still like Keaton as Batman. But I appreciate other opinions. As long as there not hostile. Which I love this commentary for. I hated Batman Returns by the way.
Wait, so why is Eric living with Logan now?
He's bee doing so for almost a year or so now. For what reason, I'm not sure.
its a shame this was recorded ahead of time now that you guys have read the original 1 draft .. i guess there's one more batman 89 commentary in you XD
I saw this movie at the BFI IMAX this past September and wow it enhanced so much of the movie, but yeah I agree that scene made no sense. Why does Joker show up at Vikkis place? How does he know where she lives lol
Tank Gunner I always assumed that he had his goons tailing her. Bob was going around taking pictures of her after all..
So every movie with batman on the title. So this don't incluede dark knight or dark knight rises
eetasa2 Haha should have said every movie with Batman or a synonymous monicker in the title.
Geekvolution ok good
I like Vicky Vale in the Telltale game better. 🙃
1:50:00
Logan interrupts Eric and is rude waaaaaaay too much, so much so as a famous (and anonymous podcaster it is both offensive and off putting) I’m finding myself as a first time viewer wishing Eric would talk over Logan and finish his original sentences. It’s truly distracting as someone that is an audience member. Also, if Logan is reading these comments, reach out...I have a podcast. Logan I have 5.9 million subscribers...I would love to have you on, I would interview you and just talk to you no phones, no distractions just a one on one video conversation with you; my interviews have proven to triple the subscriptions of my interviewees that I have on.
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